Theory of Ghosts Revisited

In this episode, Payton and Shayla revisit a fan-favorite topic from their very first—and still one of their most popular—episodes: The Theory of Ghosts. Two years later, they reflect on how some of their perspectives have shifted, while others remain as grounded as ever. They dive deep into the nature of ghosts, ghouls, evil spirits, and dark entities, questioning whether these beings are real or if they’re manifestations born from human fear and negative energy.

The conversation opens up thought-provoking ideas about how our own emotional and energetic states might play a role in creating or attracting these experiences. Plus, Payton shares his recent connection with an incredible Oracle Deck creator and offers a sneak peek into her powerful upcoming project—along with a hint that she'll be a future guest on the show.

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the Souly Podcast.
Intuitive mediums Payton and Shaylainvite you to join us in our conversation
exploring the world of spirituality.
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Open hearts, open minds, and a curiousnature is all you need to listen in.
Let's grow together as weexpand our knowledge and try to

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make the world a better place.
This is Souly.
All right.
Hello everybody.
Welcome to the podcast.
You may have noticed we havea new podcast cover, so yay.
That's exciting.
Payton created that,so thank you for that.
So a little bit of fresh energy coming in.

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So yeah, today we're gonnabe talking about something
that we first talked about.
I think it was our firstor second episode ever.
some of you may have listened to italready or it could have even been
missed 'cause it's just so far back.
But the topic is a theory of a ghost.
And today we're also gonna betalking about not just ghosts, but
some other language used around.

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Spirits, I guess like in generalSo entities we're gonna a little
bit go into evil spirits, darkfigures, ghosts, that kind of thing.
And just talking about our perspectiveof what we think they are, some
theories behind it, maybe somepersonal experiences that we've had
or I've heard from other people.

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just exploring that whole thing.
I think in the last few years there'ssome things I still believe to be
true, but there's some things thatI've kind of expanded my understanding
on or been more open to in general.
So we're just gonna retouch that.
But before we do that, I just want to doa little weekly check in with both of us.

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So, Payton, how, howhave you been this week?
I've been very good.
it's been a very busy week.
I had a lot of, sessions that I'vebeen doing and, along with creating,
new logo and some new energy I.For the podcast, I did the same
thing for, my website and my logo.
I had a friend, reach out and, shewanted to kind of help me just kind

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of give some new fresh energy to itand kind of, give it some new life.
'cause now, as you all know, I've, Imoved and I, I have more space to really
focus on the spiritual space in my life.
So, I just needed something thatkind of reflected, that energy.
So I've been very happy with that.
But that took, you know, takes alot of work, takes a lot of energy,
a lot of it I'm doing on my own.
but thankfully I, I enjoy doing that.

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So that's been really good.
I wanted to share.
so I, I shared on here that herein Nashville there is a place that,
is a wonderful place to be ableto host in-person sessions for
whether you do therapy or you do,somatic work or you do readings or
astrology, like literally anything.

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it's just this beautifulcurated space for that.
And, they had a town hall meetingabout a week and a half ago, and I went
and was able to, uh, get to meet somereally amazing people and I ended up
sitting next to this fabulous woman.
And her and I just smiled at eachother and we just got along right
away and it was just very magnetic.
So we knew it was like instant.

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We knew we were gonna be friends.
so afterwards, well when she wasthere, she told me that she creates,
she asked what I did and I said I wasa medium and, she said, I asked her
what she did, and she creates tools,like divination tools basically.
and she had been working on this carddeck, an Oracle card deck, which, you
know, I've, you know, in the backgroundbeen working on one for quite some

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time and I love using Oracle cards.
Of course, this liketotally piqued my interest.
So she shared her deckwith me and I have to.
Say like, it is so beautiful, there'sso much thought and energy and
so much just beauty and attentionthat has put into this deck.
I cannot wait for her to finish it sothat I can share it with all of you.

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And I even, really would like tohave her on here to talk about her
process through it because it's,she's just really fascinating.
So her and I went and had coffeethis week, so that was really nice.
So we got to really get to knoweach other, but, and just share
a lot of ideas and, share kindof our experience a little bit.
But her deck is so cool.
So it's, a goddess deck, so it'sa lot about d divine feminine
energy, goddess energy, and.

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Unlike any deck that I've ever seen.
She has representation from allcorners of the world, from places that
maybe you've never even heard of, orcultures that no one's familiar with.
Like she just, I mean, there's alot of the traditional ones we see.
You know, there's a lot of the,the main ones that a lot of us are

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familiar with, a lot of us are gonnabe familiar with, some Hindu deities.
A lot of us are gonna be familiarwith some, uh, Greco-Roman deities,
and goddesses in that space.
But she, she goes so much further andbeyond that and it's just, it was so
beautiful because it, there's nothing likedoing a reading and having representation
on a card for someone sitting acrossfrom you that they just didn't expect.

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Right?
Yeah.
in the deck I'm creating, There's a Thaigoddess that I have, represented there,
and it just so happened one time I wasgiving a reading to someone who happened
to have Thai heritage, and that cardof course popped up for her and it just
meant so much just because she like it.
It was just such a deeper messagebecause she totally knew who it was.
She didn't expect it.
Who's this white guy that evenknows who this goddess is?

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Right?
Like, so, it's beautiful.
So I really love that she hasput, that much attention and
mindfulness around trying to includeas, as many people as she can.
The other thing that's so amazing is,and I think why she's taking such her
time to get this out, is, I mean, sheis making sure that the clothing is
appropriate and represents it truly.
Like, and she's going through thehistory of these cultures and the

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history of even the, the, the being,being represented, like, how that
evolved over time through, you know,was that area conquered at one point
by one group and then they influence.
The way this looked.
I mean, she's just going deepand deep and deep into it.
So I'm, I'm I, I told her, I'mlike, I'm so excited for this.
I said, you know, a lot of the peoplethat I have connected with in the

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spiritual space that use these kindof tools, like there's nothing quite
like this out there that's so in depth.
And I know it's needed andI know people will love it.
and I think now a lot, I think a lotof us are really starting to appreciate
getting to have that type of exposureso that we can learn more and we can,
you know, end of the day, it justreally helps bring us all together,

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how connected we all are and you know,how, how small the earth really is.
And there's a lot more that unitesus than divides us, which I think is
something we need to very much focuson right now and for so many reasons.
But.
that is to come.
So that's just a little teaser of, uh,further episode once we get down the
road and she gets her her deck out.
So, hello Marilyn.

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I'm just gonna throwa little hello to you.
I know she's gonna listento this episode, so hello.
Um, so we're, we'rereally excited about that.
I just, I think it's really beautifulwhat she's done, and I think all
of you are gonna enjoy it as well.
So that was a, a hugehighlight of my week.
it's always just so good to connectwith other people that are in the
spiritual space, or at least understandthe language and like have those deep

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conversations and not having to worryabout how you word something or you
know, how you're thinking of things.
Just someone that gets it, you know?
So I, I'm, I'm so grateful to be ableto just be able to meet so many people
like that in such a short periodof time, of living in a new space.
So, yeah, so that's been very good.
And yeah, it's, finally the weekend now.

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So I was telling Shaylathis after this week.
This is, uh, recording our,our episode today is kind of
my last thing on my checklist.
So, I'll be looking forward totaking a little time to relax
after this, but, it's been a reallybeautiful week for me, so, yeah.
How about you?
Oh, first of all, that is so exciting.
I can't wait to see thatwhole deck that she creates.
And it really sounds like there'sjust so much intention behind it,

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and I'm learning like the intentionbehind things is so important.
Right?
Right.
And you can really feel it whensomeone has that intention.
So that's beautiful.
It's not just, oh, let's try to makethings like inclusive because we have to.
It's like, no, like there's intentionbehind it and there's a reason for it, and
there's this connectivity right behind it.
So I love that.
Right.
So I'm so excited for that.

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and you're right, itis, it does fill a gap.
Like there, I haven't seenanything like that as of yet.
Mm. So that's exciting.
Right.
this week I had the weekoff, which is so rare.
So that was super nice.
I had to get some things done that Ineeded to, you know, do for a long time.
had some crazy dreams this week.
I was saying that I had like.
one of those, you know whenyou dream and you wake up and

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you're like, I need to sleep now.
'cause like I was somewhereelse type situation.
Like the last one I had was betweenlike a hospital, so like very Mazy,
Harry Potter kind of set slash.
McDonald's play place from, youknow, yonder from back in day.
And then like my husband's old, likefamily home that he used to live.

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So it was just so busy.
My mind's been busy.
I think there's a full moon.
So I feel like some ofthat has to do with that.
Yes.
Here.
Just like, almost like thisrestless energy a little bit.
I dunno if anyone elsehas been feeling that.
but I went to a witch market, whichwas really fun with my sisters.
Yeah, it was interesting.
I've never been, we've been wantingto go for over a year and so it's

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just a bunch of people who are Yeah.
Very like spiritual and witchy and.
Creating different thingsand little potions.
So I, I came back with like abunch of sprays and I'm just
like, enjoying that this week.
So yeah, that was really fun.
And also it was nice too because it wasjust a very, open community kind of thing.
Like you can tell it was just, it was foreverybody, which is really nice to see.

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So that was really fun.
And it's funny, even though I'm hada week off from school still doing
soap notes because I'm behind on that.
So lots of paperwork, but it's been nicejust to kind of breathe a little bit.
And we've had a lot ofrain, which has been nice.
We've really needed it where I amright here, so we're having a lot of,
yeah, fire forest fires in Canada andof course I'm in Alberta, I'm close

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to BC and there's been a lot of firesthere in Ontario on the other side.
So good to see some rain, you know,that cozy vibe of rain is nice too.
So it's been good.
another thing.
I don't think I shared this,but a couple weeks ago.
And I basically have experienced now,like with massage also connecting to
someone else's loved ones during it,which has been really interesting.

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Okay.
so that's been a neat experienceto kind of feel into because that's
kind of where I wanna go with it.
I wanna do something that kind ofblends the two and also just whole
body energetic healing and stuff.
So I met somebody, yeah, at my school who,she works there, she went there as well,
but now she's working there as an RMT.
And so it was neat 'cause like you said,when you meet somebody who shares very

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similar language or understandings ofthings and then you can just kind of
go with it and she's so open to it.
So that was really cool.
and again, it's funny because, Iseem to, before I even meet the
person, always get these like.
Hits that come in kind of thing.
And so I had met her like the weekprior and then I was, the night before
I was going to massage her, I juststarted seeing all these things while

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I'm laying in bed and I'm like, ohmy gosh, I have to like tap into that
tomorrow and see if that comes up again.
And sure enough it did.
And so that was really interesting'cause that that ended up being something
really meaningful to her kind of thing.
Wow.
So it just, it just reminds me of likethe beauty of healing that connecting
in that way can have and just, youknow, with a massage trying to explore

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and how to kind of incorporate that.
So I think it'll be something that will.
Continue to evolve andwe'll see where it goes.
But yeah, so that was, yeah, highlight.
Yeah, that it'll be interestingto hear even just how you navigate
that session, like mm-hmm.
You know, at what point,do you bring that in?
Is it.
A session specifically for both sothat there's space and room to Yeah.

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go back and forth between the bodywork and then the, you know, the, the
spiritual work that's coming in as well.
And yeah, that's gonna be,interesting to see how that unfolds.
absolutely.
So I'll keep you guys updated on all that.
Yeah.
Cool.
Well I'm glad you, had some time off'cause I know you've just been kind
of, it's just been crazy for you sinceyou, since we've reconnected and you've

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talked about since getting the year.
It's just been illnesses and,and school and this and that and
mothering and all the things.
So, yeah.
I'm glad you had a little,little moment to breathe.
Yeah, it was, it was good.
It was a good moment to breathe.
And then, like, I think I shared thislast time, but like, my son had a eye
infection and it was like, I swearwe went to the eye doctor like eight
times, so like that's cleared now.
And I'm like, thankGod, because yes, scary.

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Like he ended up having to goon like oral antibiotics and
get like the special eye pillow.
It was like a whole thing.
So.
Yeah, it was just breath offresh air the last week, so.
Sometimes you just have to breathe.
I am not a parent, obviously, I thinkI've shared that, but, moving here,
one of my, closest friends that liveshere, her and her husband, I'm, they're

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both really good friends of mine.
they have a four-year-old, and so I'maround a lot more, and I have nieces and
nephews, but I, I moved away and I, youknow, I was there for a little bit and
the, you know, when some of them werereally young, but then I, I moved away
and I wasn't just around it all the time.
And it, it's just areminder of like, I don't.
know how people do that.
It's, I mean, I, you, you make it,you, you make it happen and you get

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it done and you do your best, butlike, it, it just, it has, it wears
on you and it's just, it's nonstop.
So I just, I, I respect so much,people that parent, 'cause it's just,
I, you know, there's nothing thatprepares you for it and there's nothing
that you can do to make it easier.
You just have to do it and justtry to do your best and, you
know, always try to lead withlove and somehow keep your sanity.

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Yeah, absolutely.
Alright, well today's, episode is going tobe about ghosts, so let's get into that.
Where do I wanna start with this?
Okay.
So I guess with ghosts, that wouldtypically mean somebody who is a human.
Who lived on this earth, who died.
And I think the general viewpoint ona ghost is that they decided not to

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crossover or they died and they didn'tknow they died and now they're stuck here.
So there's that kind of story behind it.
also too with like ghosts, like wehear sometimes about, because there's
like Poltergeist and things likethat as well that kind of come into
play, that a lot of people have theseexperiences within the ghost realm.
I think in general those arealso two different things.

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'cause Poltergeist tendto move things more.
It seems to be also energy that'sconnected to the people in the
house from what I've learnedand kind of researched on.
And oftentimes it will belike an adolescent or there's
something in the home that'scausing this energy kind of pull.
And so it creates this.
Movement in the house that is likegenerally could be coming from

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the actual people without themrealizing that they're the living
people.
Living people.
Exactly.
Yep.
Yep.
but I guess for this portion ofit, let's focus on ghosts, What
do you feel that a ghost is like?
Do you think that that is what happens,that there are people who die and choose
not to cross over, or people who are stuckbecause they don't know that they died?

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Where you landing on this topic nowadays?
And of course like we canchange our mind if we evolve.
Right.
But just for now.
Yeah.
it is a little bit of a tricky topic,and I know we, we went over a lot of
this on, the first episode we did,you know, that was a couple years
ago and my opinions are pretty muchstill kind of in that same lane.

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there's the things that I've experiencedand then there's like my, spiritual
philosophy of how I understand thingsalong with, working in that space
and in that realm have solidified alittle more of my philosophy around it.
However, I have had experiencesthat were 100% ghost, so.

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Those conflict a little bit for me.
I also, as, as I shared the last timewe talked about this, and as, as you've
touched on, like there are people whohave had very real experiences that, they
can't explain and, you know, go against,you know, maybe my viewpoint on it.
so I don't want to take away fromthat because, you know, there's, I,
I believe them when they say this.

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I wanna start with the term crossing over.
I think the transition fromliving to dead is crossing over.
I don't think, it doesn't makesense to me that there's like
a midpoint, that gets stuck.
So, just to kind of break down a littlebit of my spiritual philosophy, to like
brass tacks that might help with this.

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Like if we are, if their source, whateveryou wanna call that, and we are a, a
little blip of source living a physicallife, then as soon as that physical life
ends, we go back to our source energy.
That's kind of just, that'skind of how I understand it.
So, But while you're in your littleblip of physical experience, having

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that and maybe you collect a lot ofheavy denser, not enjoyable energy while
you're here in the physical, does someof that energy gets stuck back because
that's not gonna go back to source.
Right?
Like your, your lightpart's gonna go back.
But maybe so that's, maybe that, andI don't know if I'm explaining it

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well, but I'm like, maybe it's like.
okay, I started making, thisis gonna be a left turn.
I started making my ownalmond and cashew milk.
Okay.
And I've learned that you have to filterit through like a specific type of
strainer to get all the gunk out of itso that like if you go to heat it up, it
doesn't like burn or like all the things.

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It's, it's still a process.
I'm still, I told Shayla I'mtrying to get better at cooking.
So while we're even talk, while we'reeven recording this, I'm baking a potato.
Yeah.
Trying to get off anyway.
But that's kind of how I seeit is like, the good part.
Gets through the filter, gets throughthat, strainer, but maybe the, the
heavier, denser parts that were pickedup along the way kind of get stuck.

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And, you know, that's thestuff that needs to kind of get
thrown out and sifted through.
And maybe that's the stuff that weare able to tap into or experience
to some degree or another.
that theory and that philosophydoes not explain the actual ghost
I have physically seen in my life.
but that's just, that's kind ofhow it makes sense in my brain.

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Whether that made sense at all toany of you listening of how I just
explained it, So, I don't know.
I think, as a medium, I know that ourloved ones are around us always, you know,
so if I'm able to tap into them, then whycan't, maybe, you know, that energy or
something, you know, appear to me if my,my antenna's on without me realizing it.

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'cause we're all hardwiredto be able to receive.
so it's, it's difficult.
I just, I don't know if I believe inthe whole, it gets stuck and it's this
negative energy and all that, that thingthat's like the conscious spirit or soul.
So before I keep talking in circles,I'm gonna pass it back to you and let
you kind of jump into where we're at.
'cause I feel like I couldramble on about this for an hour.

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Yeah.
So I have a similar feelingabout all of that too.
I think when it comes to.
the human experience that per like, youknow, our souls and stuff like that.
I personally think, well if there'slike the source and if we have guides
and we have all this help around us,why would we get stuck in that way?
Like I feel like there wouldbe some help along the way to
kind of guide us through that.

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Say if you did die in a car accidentreally quickly and you don't know
where you are, things like that.
very similarly to what I said before inthe first episode, I think that there's
a lot of the times left over energy,like what you were saying, or stories
that are kind of replayed that I thinka lot of us can tap into and see, which
is why a lot of ghost stories thatyou hear about will often, especially

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in like older buildings or historicalareas, will have this repetitive
either like audio that people hear or,they'll see somebody and it's usually.
From what I've seen, like itstems from a story of trauma.
So there'll be something there that wasreally difficult or really violent or
sad, or something that happened in thatway that keeps repeating and showing.

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Do I think that person is stuck?
I don't think so.
I think the part that I get confused atsometimes is when there's like interaction
between a ghost and a person, thatseems like there's awareness between
both parties, if that makes sense.
Like the ghost or the, is likereal time engaging with you.
So in that situation, I think that bringsup more discussion and theory behind it.

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Like, could it be somebody who's yeah,ing you, um, because they're a loved one.
Could it be somebody who is attachedto this spot on earth and likes to
come down and go back and forth andinteract, is a part of their soul or
a part, a fragment of their being?
Needing to stay here and experiencesomething over or interact in a

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certain way because then that kindof, it's like one of those things
that it starts to like segue into allthese different thoughts or theories.
Right.
So I am recently more open to, like,we've kind of talked a bit about is like
glitches in the matrix or multiverses.
Like I think there's more going onthan just our now within our, yeah.
Yeah.

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We're potentially experiencingthings from multi directions and
different versions of ourselves.
And so can that also be potentiallyyou kind of tapping into another
version of yourself or seeingsomeone else's version of their self.
Like there's so many directionsthat that could go into.
And so I think at this pointI'm open to more kind of
feeling into that type of thing.

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and that's kind of where I'mlike, or are some of the more
traditional ghosts or whatever that.
Have that interaction that arekind of like, you know, bothering
people at night, pulling theirsheets off or like things like that.
Is that just a fragment of theperson's soul experiencing something
within who they used to be?
Like, I don't know, likedoes that make sense?
Like it kind of goesinto so many directions.

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It goes into so many directions andthat's No, but I'm, I'm following.
So, and I, I agree.
I, I wanna bring up something you saidat the beginning because as you're
talking and now I'm reflecting on theexperiences I've had, and if you go back
a couple episodes, we had a Halloweenepisode where we shared ghost stories
and I, I know I shared mine on there.

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so I, I'm going back to thosemoments and bringing that back up.
But something you brought up at thebeginning was, is that sometimes
when there's a haunting in a house.
Per se that maybe there is an interaction9.9 times outta 10, there's something
else going on with the people that arehaving this experience or, or the living.

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So I wonder if, if you are havingthose experiences, how many of those
are because there's something elsegoing on in your physical to where
we're part of the power that createsthat, connection or that interaction.
Because all of theinteractions that I had.
In the moment were, were scaryand startling and very ghost and

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like, wow, this place is haunted.
But now going back, every single oneof those hindsight was connected to,
a timeline I was in, in reality, thatwas going to end up being traumatic
or, I could now go back with theknowledge that I have on this side of
it and be like, were those warnings?
You know, like I've had, I had one ofmy grandmothers visit me in a dream,

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a couple years ago, and I didn't knowin the very moment why she came, but,
uh, not even a week later, it madeclear that she was coming to gimme
a warning about something that wasvery traumatic, was about to happen.
and I mean, that would.
She would fall in that category.
If you're coming to me in a dreamand you're dead you're a ghost.
Right?
So could it have been that those spiritsthat I saw, you know, over the years when

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I was younger, before I fully understoodwhat I, you know, mediumship, could
those have been warning spirits and maybethey gave that sense of kind of ghoul or
scary to just give that message, like,beware, like there's something, you
know, there's something you might notenjoy about this experience you're in.
So I, I just wonder now howmuch of it could also be us.

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And then when you're in a place, sowhere I live, there was a lot of,
civil war history that happened,you know, in the area I'm, I'm in,
and there is a, you can feel it.
Like I can definitely pick up thatvibe and I can tap into those timelines
and I can feel the, the horror andthe heaviness that was here because

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of the war and then everything thatwas here because, uh, you know, before
the war that caused the war to happen.
and so if you already know or feel likethis place has history to it and is scary
and your antenna's up, and then maybe youhave some trauma going on in your life,
is that not a recipe to help you start tobe able to tap into these timelines and,

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and start experiencing, you know, spirit?
I, I don't know.
Yeah, it could be.
And I think some of the stuff that I'venoticed too is that a lot of the times,
the places that have this activity.
they've experienced a lot ofpeople coming into their doors.
So like either like a hospital, right.
Or psychiatric ward, right?
Like there's a lot of heaviness anda lot of complexities going on with

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these people that were in these spaces.
also apartments in general, like thinkof how many people live there over the
years, just like coming in and out.
I've experienced a lot of thingswithin apartments, like every
apartment I've been in in my life.
There's been somethingwhere you're like, okay.
And I think that there's oftentimeslike spots too, and I don't know

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exactly how it works, but like atenergy, like dense energy collects
in like certain spots within Yeah.
These or apartments kind of thing.
I remember this one place that I lookedat and I'm, I'm sure I've shared this too,
about like, yeah, the ghosts that I saw orwhatever, but it was this really old home.
It was like 150 years old.
It was being renovated, butit was so interesting to see.

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The energy dynamic that justthis three story home had where
it was like the middle ground.
I could see like all the things in thepast that were happening, who lived
there, what it was like at the time.
And there was more of like a medium kindof energy, I guess it we call like it was
very like in the middle of everything,like not good, not bad kind of thing.

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Just like a light spot on the topwhen you would go up all the way.
There was like a sunroom and up the stairsand it felt like this lighter energy.
And I was like, wow, this place is nice.
I like it.
Like maybe we will take it.
However, went into the basementand holy shit, like dense, creepy
ass energy and after I went in thatbasement, I was like, absolutely not.

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I cannot live here.
But it was just like thislayering of energy that I felt.
And there had been so many peoplethat had been there throughout the
years and I guess the last people wholived there, they started off really
like great tenants and were great.
And then the woman ended upspiraling going on drugs.
She had a lot of children,didn't take care of them.
Like there was a lot of stuff that hadhappened and that's just that one story.
Yeah.

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Before that someone else'sson lived in the basement.
And I'm like, why wouldanybody live in that basement?
Like I cannot imagine where yourmental space would go in your
mental health living in that space.
'cause it's very dungeon.
So like all these differentenergies that kind of happen.
Right.
And part of me wondered if that ladywho had started off really good was

(27:59):
affected by that energy too, potentially.
I think so much of what we experienceis energy based and it's so
multilayered and there's so manydirections it could go into, but
Well, and I think too, and, and I'mnot an expert on anything I'm about
to speak on, so please take everythingI say with a grain salt, but it was
just something I just got inspired on.

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But, there are other cultures in theworld and throughout history who have,
more ritual or more practice aboutlike just clearing spaces and clearing
energy and whether they use the wordspirit or whatever, connected to that.
I think we can have a littlemore of a looser understanding
of what that word can mean.

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Because like you were saying,and I know with, Western culture,
that's not typically a practice.
we are accustomed to, I knowspiritual people are more open to
that and more in tune with that.
But just in general, anything that comeswith spirits or anything like that,
you're supposed to leave for the church.
That's, you know, we'renot supposed to connect.
We're not supposed to do any of it,you know, that's all for the church.
So that being said.

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think about if you are having agreat day and what that feels like,
and then you walk into a room of abunch of people that are having a
bad day, you can feel that energy.
So we admit, or vice versa, you are havinga bad day and you walk into a room that's.
Of someone that's just pure sunshineand it brightens your day a little bit.
It's a shift in energy.

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So if you're in a space that haslots of collected dense energy from
people who have either had traumasor have really chaotic situations
or all of that, does that energyitself just collect in the space?
And since maybe it hasn't been clearedappropriately, you know, however that's
done, or that energy's not shiftedin some way, then that's what people

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pick up on as haunted or as whatever.
Because we're all sensitive.
I mean, we're all sentient beamsthat can pick up on these things.
It's just based on what we've beenexposed to or what our understanding
of it is, is how we're going to, reactto the feeling of it or how it is.
So I just wonder 'cause I, I lived in aplace too that the basement, I mean, if

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someone wasn't, and it was a place that Isaw a ghost, it, you know, in real life.
So I imagine, but if someone wasnot murdered in that basement,
then I would be shocked.
'cause it felt very scary.
Murdery basement.
Yeah.
And so I know that feeling, but it's like,again, it was a super old home and who
knows what happened in that house overthe years and, um, or in that basement.

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So that's, I I, so I think kind of togo back to your original question or
to answer that is like, I, that's whereI. I stumble, is it a ghost or are you
able to tap into the energy and thetimeline of something that happened?
Does that mean that that thatspirit or that soul is stuck there?

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I would wonder if thoseare different, things.
Like you said that there's like, maybethere's a piece of it there, but maybe the
piece is just the story of what happened,the energy of what physically happened in
this physical space, not so much that the,the piece of it that is a piece of source,
the soul or whatever is still stuck there.
Right.
And also when you think of recordplayers, for example, like think of

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how that stores sound in music, like,or you know, just things like that.
Or like cameras, right?
Like creating that picture, like takingthat energy of the picture kind of thing.
I think.
Could be used for just life ingeneral, like collecting energy
in spaces and stuff like that.
And I've also heard thatlimestone is also something that

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really collects energy as well.
A lot of buildings are madeout of limestone to Oh, okay.
And that, so I think that's somethingto kind of consider too as well.
Like just that, actually storingenergy in these spaces and Yeah.
So with that said, like, okay, there'sa few things I wanna talk about.

(31:58):
What are your thoughts sincewe're on ghosts, specifically for
people who feel that they need tohelp people like ghost cross over
and kind of do that whole thing?
I am 100% against that.
okay now I've done space clearings.
and again, the people that invite meto do this tend to think it's a ghost.

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And again, nine times outta 10, it'susually something else going on in
the home that's sparking that energy.
So it's, to me, I'm more justclearing the energy and just
creating kind of new space.
That I'm very open and into, and I knowI've shared this on here before, people
that if, if people that help peoplecross over, to me I think it takes

(32:45):
advantage of the person's setting there.
I think readers that do that arecompletely unethical and I'm gonna just
stand that ground and die on that hillregardless of what people think about it.
I don't think they needhelp crossing over.
I think they, I think that is, I thinkwhen you transition that is crossing over.
What do you think, what,what's your opinion on it?

(33:08):
I kind of fit more into like theenergy clearing aspect of it.
I think I would go into somethingmore with that intention and then
specifically being like, okay, I'm tryingto cross over this specific person.
I know like the home that I'm in now withlike my mom and my sisters and stuff,
at one point there was a lot of activityin here and my mom experienced something

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where she was awoken by like this littlegirl who looked like she was from at least
a hundred years ago type of situation.
And she seemed to be interacting with mymom like a person would be kind of thing.
Like the conversation waslike, Hey, I wanna play with
your daughter, kind of thing.
Like she wanted to play with my sister.
And so that obviouslyreally freaked out My mom.

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in that aspect because it was like, itfelt like a conversation kind of thing.
Right.
And so for that situation, she'slike, oh my God, there's this
little girl who's stuck who needshelp to cross over kind of thing.
so eventually there was some stuffwhere my mom left my dad and we weren't
in his home, home for a long time.
And then eventually hemoved out and moved back in.
And when we moved in, shewanted to get the space cleared.

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And so she had some people, her friendsthat were doing that kind of thing.
And so they went and theycleared out the energy.
And it was interesting though,because they did recognize that
girl without my mom telling her.
So they saw that there was this littlethat was kind of hanging around and like
what she looked like and what she waslike, her intention, what she needed.
There was also another ghost that wehad experienced where it was someone
who we could feel who had diedfrom suicide, who had lived like.

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A few doors down kind of thing, andwe could pinpoint who they were.
Eventually it was a friend ofsomeone else who still lived here
and they had grown up together.
And so there was like allthese very specific things.
And so that part was interestingbecause it was like, it was so
specific to what we had experienced.
Yeah.
I still don't even fully know.
I'm like, okay, is thatstill their story again?
Are they coming down and interacting?

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Is it a fragment of their soul that'sstill here experiencing this part?
And another aspect is, youknow, doing other things.
Right, because I've heard of, like,one of the examples is comparing our,
soul energy to like an orange, like aclementine orange or like a flower where
you can like remove these pieces, but it'sall from the same thing kind of thing.

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Like the same tructure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And maybe we're kind of moving inand out of things, so I don't know.
All I know is like in thatsituation it was kind of.
Interesting.
And, and then that was cleared outand then after that there wasn't any
of those experiences kind of thing.
But I do like more going into somethingwith the intention of just clearing up
the space in general because I thinkthere's so many different aspects

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that can create these situations andit can be lots of different things.
Right.
Kind of going into playinginto one, one home or Right.
You know, one space.
I don't like it when readers arelike, you have something attached to
you and I'll gimme 500 or whatever.
Like, or oh my gosh.
Some of the things I've heard oflike, oh, your child died and it's

(36:00):
a curse and they're stuck now.
Like, oh my god.
You know, like, so dirty.
Like I, things like that arejust so disturbing to hear.
And obviously those people donot have good intentions and I
don't think they're actually like.
Really spiritual in that way.
Like they don't,
or, or they're just not aware of maybehow, you know, damaging that is, like,

(36:20):
I, you know, I'm, I'm sure there's thingsthat I have said that I could go back and
wish I didn't in a reading, especiallywhen I was first learning, you know, so
I'll give some grace of like, you know,if that's something that you have, you
have walked through or felt called tosay or do, like, I just think about it.
Just maybe try to expose yourselfto some different ways of thinking

(36:44):
and maybe realize how damaging thatcan be to the person that's sitting
across from you when you're speaking.
Because those things just, they'renot, I don't believe that's why we
should be doing what we're doingis to say that kind of stuff.
'cause I, it's not helpful.
Yeah, it can be very traumatic.
I think the things that I witnessedpersonally are like, you know how
there'll be those Facebook groups that arepracticing mediumship or psychic stuff?

(37:08):
It's like, it tends to be on there thatcertain people come on and talk and like
mass message people when they see thatthey posted the story of something that
happened to them, or they're like, Hey,can you connect to my child who passed?
Or my dad or whoever, right?
And then it's like, yeah,that's so predatory.
And that is like, that'swhat I've seen more.
So, but where you're like, ugh.
Like it's just so obvious that they'relike trying to do something like that.

(37:30):
Kind of like, you know how as mediumson Instagram, you have all these
people like faking to pretend tobe you and it's just a cash Yep.
Grab and a fear tacticand like things like that.
so yeah.
I like what you said because likewe are all, all learning as we go
through and some things that feelcomfortable right then are like, oh, I
can't believe I said that or did that.
You have, you do have to giveyourself, yeah, everyone has

(37:51):
different belief systems too, solike, okay, like I guess like everyone
are on their path to whatever.
And especially with this work andwhat, you know, what I teach people is,
spirit, angels, whatever it is, theyare going to give me information through
my understanding of the world, right?

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So that I can, and I have todecipher that a little bit.
So yeah, if I have this belief systemthat, fire and brimstone, and ghouls,
and goblins are all happening,then some of the things that I'm
experiencing, I'm probably gonnatranslate through that expression.
And that's because it works.
We're all spiritual sentientbeings that are able to connect.

(38:33):
But you have to, in your human logically,think about why that might not be
the most appropriate way to translatewhat spirit's bringing through.
Right?
Like, like maybe what in your experienceis making you think these things
or, or not think bigger about it.
One thing that I'm also kind ofcurious about, I mean, the, the
theory of ghost has been with mankindsince, you know, the dawn of mankind.

(38:57):
But from our understanding ofwhat it is, how much of that has
been, connected to the historyof our theological understandings
of what all that's related to?
Right.
Um, I just saw this really interesting,it was a reel on Instagram, so you know
it's gotta be right, right when you,it's gotta be totally, uh, historically

(39:19):
accurate, but it was explaining.
Okay, so you think ghost.
Let's, let's peel that back a little bit.
So if you're not transitioning, ifyou're stuck here, it's because you've
not done good enough to get into heaven.
Right?
Because that's where we're going, right?
That's paradise is the end goal.
So you're stuck here, soyou've done something wrong.
You've, you're, you know, you've,you've not succeeded, you've not

(39:42):
won the game, so you're stuck.
Then, uh, that means that you'reeither going to go to hell or
you're somehow stuck in hellor something with hell, right?
I mean, that's, and maybe I'm stretchingit too far, but I think that if we
break it down, that's kind of where theunderstanding of all that's coming from.
So it was interesting because I guess.
The description of hell, and Idon't remember the right words.

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And any of you out there that aremuch more educated in this arena,
please feel free to, uh, push back.
If I, if I describe it wrong, but likein the old Old Testament, in the old,
in like ancient Jewish faith, therewas a place that was outside of the
kingdom where they would burn people.
It would be a place that bad peoplewould get, you know, the people

(40:24):
that maybe were executed for doingsomething bad would get disposed of.
It was this, uh, place that was like fireand brimstone, but it was a physical place
of where like, you know, you didn't havean honorable burial or, you know, I don't
know what all went on, but it was, itwas, it was referring to a physical space.
Then as the history evolved,uh, they adopted more of

(40:47):
the, the ancient Greek under.
Understanding of Hades, youknow, this, this place underneath
the ground where there's this,this being that ruled over it.
and then that kind of mythologygot wrapped up in the story.
And then as time wenton, then they adopted.
in Norse mythology, there was agoddess whose name was hell, HEL.

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And she was the goddess, the, youknow, the ruler of that said underworld
and then that word in English.
Then they added anotherL and it became hell.
So, and you know, through thattimeline then today we have hell.
So I just, I think that's interestingto just know the little bit of
history of where that even comes from.
'cause that can help you, maybe you havea different relationship with, you know,

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and that, and that, that place, that idea,that thing of being punished and stuck,
was a really brilliant way of gettingpeople to be obedient and be governed and
be fearful to question anything because.
If you dare, you will be stuck in hell.
So I just wonder about the history ofreligion and what, you know, what we've

(42:01):
been exposed to over our history fromthe parts of the world we come from.
how much of that is tied toour understanding of our spirit
and ghost, and does that.
Necessarily relate to maybe whatthe reality of it is that, like
I said, you know, we're all, weall just go back home, you know?

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now that I, I realize that's hard, a lot.
Really hard pill for alot of people to swallow.
'cause there's a lot of people thatdo really horrible things in their
physical life and it's hard to imaginethat they just get a free ticket back.
And I'm not saying that's the case, but,I also just can't, I, I, I can't wrap
my brain so much around the hell aspect.
So that's, that's the other part Ithink for me, that I have trouble when
I'm trying to understand where Ghostand what all that is, is because what

(42:45):
does that saying, what does it mean?
What's, you know, you're not,you're not getting into heaven
and is that how it works?
I don't know.
So I What, what do you thinkabout, what do you feel about
the road I just went down.
Yeah, no, I think a lot of what isnow normalized or what has become
known is from our past kind of thing.
And it, it's like a game of telephone.
You know, where like these things getpassed down and lost in translation and

(43:08):
then also just used in ways to controlpeople and try to manipulate where things
go and how they work and things like that.
So I definitely cansee that being a thing.
if you just keep going back in history,you find all these little nuggets that
you're like, oh, that's where that came.
Right, right.
So definitely, I, I, yeah, for sure.
That's.

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was definitely a thing.
And there are other cultures in theworld with different histories that
still have similar type situations of thegood, the evil, you know, all of that.
So I, you know, I'm not, I I just,I'm just saying like, how much of that
has influenced in drawing the pictureof what that, that would look like

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to us, to where if you're having aspiritual experience and that's your
understanding of this world, you aregonna have a different reaction to
it than if you have maybe a, greaterperspective or understanding of it.
then you might not label it as X, Y, Z.
Right.
I think the more you can kind of goout of your bubble that you grew up

(44:09):
in and kind of explore for yourself iswhen you're gonna find more, where you
sit in your beliefs and some thingswill just always be ingrained in you.
In some ways.
I think like, it's funny 'cause when I.
I think in, like for me, I grewup in a Catholic home, right?
And my mom was always more spiritual.
Like she was definitely a lotdifferent than the rest of her family

(44:32):
in that way, more open to things.
But at the end of the day, ifthere's a tornado or something,
I'm gonna be calling for Jesus.
Like, just 'cause it'slike my first person.
I kind of, and not to say thatI don't believe in other things.
I, I mean, this is a realization I hadlike recently, which I like laughed about
because I was like, this is interesting.

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But at the same time, like, what, howdo I see Jesus is different than what,
you know, I was taught at the time.
Right, right.
The perspective of it.
yeah, there are some cultures that arevery, you know, This is evil, this is
good, this is bad, and so many likeexperiences that people have had.
Of certain things.
There was this one story, andI cannot remember where it was

(45:13):
from, ' cause I've listened to toomany stories at this point, but it
was more of like a smaller village.
I wanna say.
I'm pretty sure it wasin Africa somewhere.
And basically the whole thing wasthat like they had like the straw hut
kind of rooftops and things like that.
And it was something where there was thisentity that would come out and kind of

(45:35):
start dancing around and was all likeweird and then would jump on your rooftop.
And like if you showed it out to it tostop or you went out to it or looked at
it, you would get sick and your wholefamily would like die or like just
whoever saw it would die kind of thing.
And so it was somebody tellinglike their real life story with it.
And yeah, that's like basicallywhat happened is like the one person

(45:56):
looked out, yelled at it, saw it.
Ended up dying six months later.
And then it was just this wholething of trying to stay away from
this entity when they come back intotheir village being really careful
and like how scary it was for them.
So like things like that are interestingbecause it's like this is someone's real
culture and their real experience and thishas been happening for generations, right?
So it's like, well, what is that?

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Which I guess now brings me to somethinga little different than ghosts that
I think is a little controversial,but I feel like I've kind of a
little bit shifted my perspectivein the last few years, especially
from listening to real life stories.
is entities or evil spirits, likethat's a whole thing to open, but what
are your thoughts on that currently?

(46:38):
Yeah, that's hard.
Again, it's kind of in thesame vein of all of it.
I will, I will say that, what I'veexperienced now that I have a greater
relationship with working with thatworld is, I have had times that
have been heavier and denser whereI can feel a cloud, a very dense,

(47:01):
heavy energy in my energy field.
it just feels like asmog and it, it's like.
I can't get rid of it.
So it's, I guess what someonewould call an attachment.
but that, energy didn't have aconsciousness to it, it didn't have
a, it, it wasn't the same kind ofcommunicative energy that a loved one

(47:24):
or an angel or something like that.
It, you know, that I've experienced.
I think it was, it was created for me andmy, my experience and the, the energy that
I was stuck in for a long time ended upkind of creating this cloud around me.
And it took time to clear that out.
if I wasn't as exposed or understandingof kind of this world, I probably

(47:47):
would've described that as, you know,some kind of evil en entity that has,
You know, that has attached to me orthat, you know, I've been forsaken with.
the only thing there.
I don't, I.
Uh, it's just difficult.
I still don't, to this day, and again,this, maybe this will change, but I still
don't, when I think of like source or homeor whatever it is that we go back to, to

(48:14):
me that just feels, it feels very neutral.
It just feels like just pure love.
It's just, I, I don't sense thatthere's also this like other place
that's sending off, these evil things.
'cause again, that just goes backto how that's been interpreted
and spread down through thatgame of telephone, over history.
Um mm-hmm.
But I don't know, again, but there's alot of people and then there's cultures

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like you were just referring to that havehad these experience with these things,
that, you know, what are those things?
What, you know, what are they?
And they're clearly causing some ruckus.
So I don't know.
I, I really wonder how much that is.
Again, back to the thing you said atthe beginning that I just love is how
much of that is generated from us?

(48:59):
Like, when I think of evil and when Ithink of hell and all those horrible
things, that's stuff we do to each other.
Just scroll through yourInstagram and look at the news
of everything going on right now.
Like it's, it's, it's here.
It's not somewhere else.
It's right here in front of us.
It's happening every single day.
So like if, again, if you, if energycollects and energy builds and there's

(49:22):
a lot of that energy of that part ofhuman experience that's happening, is
that gonna create some kind of shockwaves throughout the whole system?
Or some kind of like deposits of, Imean, it's gotta go somewhere, right?
Energy doesn't die.
It just, it what's, what's the phrase?
Oh, I almost had it.
It's like, it, it doesn't, it doesn't die.
It shifts or it doesn't change.

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I, I think you guys knowwhat I'm saying, but yeah.
So I don't know.
That's, that's kind of where I, Ithink I'm in that space with it.
What, what about you?
I have like different versionsof different, I feel like there's
different categories of it.
So I think what you're saying, I believetoo, like humans, we do some terrible

(50:05):
things and we're creating this horribleenergy, trauma, all of these things.
And I believe that.
Perpetuates and it keepsrolling and it keeps going.
I think there are people who like,Kay, even when you talk about like
magic or intention, I think there'speople who use it in good ways.
And I think there are peoplewho use it in negative ways.

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And there's a lot of people I thinkthat have understanding of things passed
down to 'em, um, that people wouldmaybe consider like magic or whatever,
like you can put with any term thatyou want onto it, but like energetic
work and they're not using it properly.
And I think that it's creating someenergy that is not good kind of thing.
And that's also why we're likesometimes how we're like, how

(50:46):
does, how is this happening?
And I think it's because they'reholding a certain energy whether or
not even sometimes it's on purpose.
It could also just be like somethingthey're naturally doing kind of thing.
Using energy in, in a way thatisn't of a good intention.
Right.
And we create, our own hell,like all the things that we say.
Is of hell or the images.

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It's like we create that on earth.
You don't have to gosomewhere else to that.
No.
So how much of that is manmade?
Right.
And it's um, I thinkthere's that aspect of it.
I am also open now.
It's like so complex, right?
Because I see myself like going all thesedifferent directions because I think
also too, like our energy, like you weresaying, you go through a difficult moment

(51:28):
in your life or phase or whatever andthere's like this buildup of energy and
it doesn't really seem to necessarilyhave any conscious, it's just this
dark, dense feeling right within you.
And that can be hard to, to move through.
at the same time again, just becauseI've been like for the last couple
years, like nightly listening to people'sstories, I also feel like there has

(51:49):
to be a little bit of something else.
And I think it might bemore so interdimensional.
I don't necessarily think something that.
Is like, and I don't wannabe like, oh, there's a hell,
because I don't believe in that.
Like a physical hell.
I think that whatever happens withinthese energies that come, there's still
the ability as you, as the person tocreate boundaries and get away from them.

(52:13):
Like, I don't think they're gonnaover fully overtake you unless
there's some part in your brain that'slike, this can, yes, it can happen.
Because I think our brains are so powerfulthat if we say yes to these certain
things, it can, it can take over usjust based off of that kind of thing.
so going into the interdimensionalaspect, I think potentially there
could be like, we're in this biguniverse, what else is there?

(52:35):
And not those things could be inherentlybad or it could just be what they
are and they don't know any otherenergy other than what they are.
And they potentially come into our space,and we're like, what the heck is this?
Like, who knows?
Right?
There's just so manydifferent things I know like.
My husband, he's experienced it in likethe wilderness and the Yukon territory in

(52:55):
Canada where it's like you're just mindingyour own business and then all of a sudden
like this giant, stretchy, creepy monsterstarts banging on your door or whatever.
Like, you know, it just things likethat where it's like you're not
expecting it and it's an outta the blue.
Oh my God, what is that,experience kind of thing.

(53:15):
And to me I'm like, what is that?
Like there's something else.
And just hearing from other people'sstories of like a lot of people,
experience seeing like thesedarker entities, I'll call them
that are like pitch black, likedarker the night kind of thing.
And they're usually, they can kindof shift and move within their shape.
So a human shape or the song goto an animal, things like that.

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And there's so much of like.
People's history or belief system thatI'm like, I don't even know about.
And so like culturally, like there's allthese different stories that come up that
people share that are oftentimes similarto those like entities or energies.
And so like I feel like I don'tquite know enough yet to be
like, this is exactly what it is.
Like that it's something that Inow wanna start researching more in

(54:00):
terms of like culturally and like thestories of, what different people's
belief systems are and stuff likethat, just to kind of understand it.
But my brain just starts going intolike all these places when I talk about
this because it could be this and this.
Yeah.
I don't have.
a solid yes or no.
Like I just feel like I know thatpeople have experienced these things.
I know they could be from differentthings if I think about it

(54:22):
theoretically, but I don't for sure know.
All I know is that I validate thesepeople's experiences because I'm like,
there's just things that even I'veexperienced where like you said you've
experienced where like, I just don't know.
Like this is just something else and youcan kind of speculate and feel into it.
And sometimes you will have a knowing,I think, like, I think we have
to trust our knowing too, becauseyou'll get that feeling of like, oh,

(54:44):
I know it was this kind of thing.
we have to kinda likehonor that for ourselves.
But yeah, it's,
I don't know.
That's where I'm at with that.
Like, I think there's differentthings happening with that.
Yeah, and like a good question thatpopped in my mind is, 'cause again you
said, I think we are very powerful.
I think the fact that, you know, I thinkfor a lot of reasons we are very powerful

(55:05):
and more powerful than we realized.
We can manifest, we cando all this, this stuff.
So.
Why would that not also apply to,okay, let's go back to that, experience
you were talking about with the, theculture that if they saw this thing,
then everyone in the family dies.
If that's an entity that existsand that's out in, in, in reality,

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then why doesn't that story thenbleed into other areas of the world?
So maybe there is something there, butif everyone in the community has this
belief and this true idea that that'swhat's gonna happen, does that not then
kind of fulfill its own prophecy andlike, you know, do again, do the people?

(55:46):
Is it not us creating that, that thingor that, you know, that fear or whatever
it is, like maybe it's manifesting.
Whatever that could be.
Right.
So that's, and I'm not saying it is, I'mjust, that's like what pops in my head,
like how much of it do we create ourselvesbecause of the power we have to do so, and

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if everyone just had a different viewpointon it and you know, we could fix all the
problems of the world, which unfortunatelywe can't, you know, and we put all of
that power in a different direction.
What could we do?
What could happen?
You know, I. I know with like that dark,shadow kind of like, um, silhouette kind

(56:29):
of thing that you were referring to,my personal experience with that would
be like, when I was first connectingwith my spirit guide, for those of
you that don't know what spirit guidesare, it would be kind of like your
personal guardian angel more or less.
and so, uh, and spiritual peopleout there gonna be like, no,
those are two different things.
I get that.
But if you're not, if you're notversed in spirituality, that's just

(56:51):
the easiest way to describe it.
But when I wanted to see what helooked like, I only got a silhouette.
And that was very frustratingfor me because my human needed
to know how long his hair was.
I needed to know what color his eyes were.
I needed to know his name.
And then finally it just came up that.
That doesn't matter.

(57:12):
That doesn't change what he's there for.
Right.
And so, and, and nowthat's how I know it's him.
It's just kind of the shadow.
Like, it's like my, I feel like it'slike Peter Pan, you know, when he
is trying to like, catch a shadow.
so again, I knew I was havingthe intention of connecting
with my spirit guide, which tome, that is from source to me.
I know that's, that's not gonna harm me.

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So my experience with havingthat would be different than if I
thought, if I thought differently.
So now I will say I did havean experience once that, I was
experimenting with things that couldhelp enhance a spiritual experience.
That's all I'm gonna say.

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And it was, and, and I had somethingI. Come in it, uh, you know, I
don't know if it was that spiritguide or what it was, it felt male.
it was very powerful, but it was sopowerful that I had to cut it off, that I
did go into to getting scared because itwas just, it was, it was almost too much.
Right.

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So, even someone that is, has theintention and the understanding
of, okay, this is all forlike the, the greater good.
That doesn't mean that you're stillnot gonna be a human and be like,
oh, that's too much, too much power.
Turn it back down.
But yeah.
I don't know.
And I've, I've shared on here toothat, you know, this could just
be my way of protecting myself,of not experiencing anything.

(58:39):
It is just saying that I don't believe init, and then that way it can't hurt me.
So, um, I'm also very open tothat being the truth as well.
But I don't know.
I, you know, as always, we, we'dlove to hear feedback on this.
So, if any of you out there, anythingthat we've topic we've brought on or
anything we've said or shared, you havemaybe some insight on a lot of psychics.

(59:01):
Listen, a lot of spiritualpeople listen to our podcast.
That's the majority Ithink, of our listeners.
So, uh, you've all had some sortof experience with this and we are
definitely inviting, for you to share.
So please let us know ifthat, if you feel called.
Yes.
And I'm hoping that no one has experienceda dark entity at their door who crawls

(59:23):
into their bed and bites their toes.
I hope that hasn't happened to you
because I've heard this story.
Oh my God.
When I was a kid, I had, and it'sfunny 'cause I just saw something
about this when I was a kid.
I had a huge fear of that, but itwasn't because I thought it was a ghost.
It was because I had somehowwatched the Garbage Pail kids movie.

(59:43):
And there was one of them had, andone of them was like an alligator or
something, and that's what he did.
He like went in eight people's feet.
And so every night when I wentto bed, I had to make sure my
feet were covered because hecouldn't chew through the blanket.
Right.
Like that was the, that was the,that was the rule I created.
Like if this creature comes in myhome, he can't get through the blanket.

(01:00:05):
Yeah.
Kid logic, right?
Like yeah,
kid logic sometimes.
God so funny.
Well, this was very fun to kind of getto retouch this topic and, you know,
it's a topic that's gonna continue toevolve and, you know, even if I seem
confident and sure with everythingI believe in, I'm still very open

(01:00:26):
to, being exposed to differentways of thinking and understanding.
And, but I hope I'm rightbecause I like living in the,
all is good, all is good space.
But, no, I'm glad we, I'm glad we on it.
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