October 3, 2025 • 18 mins
Abortion didn’t end when Roe v. Wade was overturned—it just got complicated. Trump didn’t “ban abortion,” he pushed it back to the states, and what followed is a patchwork of chaos.
*The views expressed in this episode are personal opinions intended for discussion and educational purposes.In this episode of Stay in the Fray Podcast, Ryan breaks down the messy aftermath: which states banned abortion outright, which ones created six-week or twelve-week limits, and what exceptions exist for rape, incest, or life of the mother. He digs into the horror stories of women forced into dangerous self-abortions, the mental health crisis behind it all, and the uncomfortable question at the root of the debate: when does life begin?
Christians say conception. Others point to heartbeat, brain activity, or viability. And late-term abortion? Should never be okay unless the mother’s life is at risk. Ryan doesn’t take a cheap “pro-life vs. pro-choice” stance—he calls out blind spots on both sides and demands mature, honest conversation.
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(00:00):
Banning abortion did not make itvanish.
It's not a shock. The total number of abortions in
the US actually went up the yearafter Roe V Wade was overturned.
Why? Because women are crossing state
lines to get this. Some states had these creepy
little things called trigger laws, basically abortion bans
that are sitting on a shelf likecanned beans and grandma's
(00:21):
basement just waiting for Roe todie so they could pop the lid.
Let's be honest, if you call yourself pro-life, you should be
pro the whole life. That includes a woman's life,
her mental health, and her chance at a future.
Otherwise, you're not pro-life, you're pro birth.
And you can be both. I am welcome to stay in the Fray
(00:48):
podcast. I'm your host, Ryan.
This is where headlines get hit hard.
Hypocracy gets shredded and the absurd are laughed at.
If you want comfort, this isn't your place.
If you want blunt and unfiltered, I'm your guy.
Join me in the fray. All you need to do is just
(01:08):
listen up. All right, guys, good to be
back. We're going to talk about
abortion today. Heavy stuff, but we have to do
it. I've been just constantly
preaching to all of you about how we need to discuss, how we
need to have a conversation, howCharlie Kirk represented what
this country needs, which is people to calm the hell down and
(01:31):
to talk. And as I started thinking about
some of the most controversial issues that need to be
discussed, you can't forget about abortion.
So I want it to be looked at differently than than how it's
been. I've been told 100 times that
I'm not allowed to have an opinion on abortion because I
(01:51):
have a penis and therefore not auterus.
Apparently the second you've gotballs, you're automatically
disqualified from thinking aboutlife and death, and I think
that's bullshit. We live in a Republic, not a
uterus club. The last time I checked, it does
take two people to make a baby. So yeah, father should have a
(02:12):
say. Biology is not our fault so let
me be clear right up front before we go any further.
I am not here to give a cookie cutter pro-life or pro-choice
rant. Don't come at me with your taken
inside my fellow right wingers. Don't come at me and and say how
dare you and and the left wingers just calm down you,
(02:35):
you're all are a little wild these days.
What I'm saying is that the issue is complicated as hell and
it deserves real discussion. And that's what I'm going to try
and do. Mature, messy, uncomfortable
discussion. Pretending that one slogan
solves it all is ridiculous. It's childish.
(02:55):
It's lazy. I am allowed to align with the
right and still want to talk about all of it.
People who align with the left should also want to talk about
all of it before the pro pro-choice crowd floods my inbox
with my body. My choice.
Hold on, that phrase changes when there's a second body
(03:17):
involved. Hold on, some of you getting all
perked up when there is a heartbeat or brain developing or
whatever else you want to use for life begins, the debate gets
real. If you actually care about
women, children, families, society, they'll even logic, you
(03:39):
should want to discuss it maturely.
Right now, we're not discussing anything at all, much less
maturely. We're screaming across the
fucking aisle while nothing getsdone.
So here's what I'm going to do. Let's walk through how Trump's
Supreme Court flipped Roe V. Wade on its head and handed
power back to the states, and what those states did with that
(03:59):
power. Total bans, half bans,
exceptions here and there like it's abortion roulette depending
on your zip code. I think it's also important to
tell you about some of the horror stories as well.
It's important that we talk about religious and scientific
split between when life begins and some questions nobody on
(04:23):
either side want to want to touch, like late term abortion.
Why is a father's voice treated like background noise?
Yeah, I'm going to go there. If you came for fluff, this
isn't you. This is the wrong podcast.
But if you came for raw, unfiltered honesty with research
to receipts, welcome to Stay in the Fray podcast.
(04:44):
It is October the 1st, 2025. Let's roll.
So quick history lesson before the social media troll mob
starts typing away. Roe V Wade wasn't some sacred
stone tablet handed down from Mount Sinai.
It was 1973 Supreme Court decision that basically said the
(05:05):
Constitution's right to privacy covered abortion for almost 50
years. It said a national baseline
states couldn't ban abortion in early pregnancy and any
restrictions had to pass a legalundue burden test.
Meanwhile, states kept poking atit.
Waiting periods, parental consent, mandatory ultrasounds.
(05:29):
They chipped away at Roe, but itheld.
Then Trump came. Love him or hate him, his three
Supreme Court picks shifted the court's balance and opened the
door to Dobbs versus Jackson Women's Health Organization in
2022. Dobbs didn't just tweak Roe and
naked it. The court said there is no
(05:50):
federal constitutional right to abortion translation.
The feds are out. The states are it.
This is the part that people forget or they choose to forget.
Trump did not ban abortion people.
He set the stage for the questions to go back to the
states. That's what a Republic is
supposed to be, especially with how they function on social
(06:13):
issues. So the real question is, what
have the states done with that power?
It's a mess, not going to lie. So Roe.
Roe falls, the court hands the ball to the states, and then
comes the chaos. Some states had these creepy
little things called trigger laws, basically abortion bans
(06:34):
that are sitting on a shelf likecanned beans and grandma's
basement just waiting for Roe todie so they could pop the lid.
Dobbs hits, boom, those laws snap into place overnight.
Right now about a dozen states have total bands.
Not kind of sort of bands, but flat out no abortions unless
maybe the mother is about to die.
(06:57):
Tennessee, Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, where I am, these are not
Gray area states. They've got flat out bands.
It doesn't matter if you are a 10 year old girl and raped, good
luck. Then you've got another two plus
dozen states with restrictions based on weeks.
Six weeks. Georgia and Florida, they say
six weeks, 6. That's a lot of women don't even
(07:20):
know that they're pregnant at six weeks.
That could be the point. That could be their goal.
Some are are set at 12 weeks, 20weeks.
It's like every state's running its own version of the Price is
Right. Spin the wheel and find out what
you get today. Don't think exceptions save the
day. There are some states, like
(07:42):
Idaho, for example, that say, well, we will allow it for rape
or incest, and it sounds compassionate, right?
But you've got to file a police report in that case is if
there's one thing a traumatized teenage girl wants after being
raped, it's to sit across from adetective and relive the details
before a doctor will even touch her chart.
(08:02):
Then there's the state line problem.
Women in banned states are now flooding into states that kept
abortion legal. Illinois is basically an
abortion hub now. Women drive in from all the
Midwestern states. Hell, half or they're just porn
across the border. So yeah, again, Trump gave power
back to the states, and what thestates did with it is a
(08:23):
patchwork nightmare. Your rights depend on zip code.
It's like some weird sick geography quiz to know what
rights you get. Let's get real for a second.
Take away the legal options. Women don't suddenly stop
wanting abortions. They get scared.
They get desperate. And that combination leads to
(08:43):
some horror stories. Just a couple.
There's a case of a 24 year old pregnant woman with twins who
tried a self abortion around 21 weeks.
I don't like that it was five months in, and I definitely
don't support an abortion at that point.
But her attempt went sideways fast.
She got sepsis, A brutal infection, and ended up not just
(09:05):
losing pregnancy, but her uterus, ovaries, tubes, the
works. So her shot at motherhood in the
future gone forever. Why?
Because she tried to do something that was dangerous
because nobody was allowed to help her.
Of course, that brings the wholeargument to fruition.
Should she have done it anyway? Is it?
Is it a legal issue? Again, that's not the point.
(09:29):
Let's go back a little further. Indiana, late 80s, a teenager
named Becky Bell couldn't get a legal abortion without parental
consent. She tried to handle it herself,
ended up with sepsis and died. So her parents lost their
daughter because the system decided it knew what was best.
Here's the stat nobody wants to admit.
A growing number of women today are reporting that they've tried
(09:52):
to self induce an abortion. It's not fringe.
It's happening in states where Access is basically 0.
This is the ugly, very real fallout of the bans.
And here's where I'm going to piss both sides off.
If you actually care about women, the answer cannot be It
cannot just be shouting ban abortions or shut the fuck up.
(10:16):
It's my body, my choice. You can't just do that.
We should also be pouring resources into mental health
professionals, into organizations that walk scared,
vulnerable women through their options.
Food, housing, counseling, medical care, support that makes
abortion feel like one option among many, if not a last
(10:36):
resort, not the only escape hatch.
So let's be honest. If you call yourself pro-life,
you should be pro the whole life.
That includes a woman's life, her mental health, and her
chance at a future. Otherwise, you're not pro-life,
you're pro birth. And you can be both.
I am. So here's the heart of the
fight, no pun intended. This is what it boils down to.
(11:01):
When does life actually begin? That's of course the $1,000,000
question, and it's why nobody can agree.
Christians will say life begins at conception.
Boom, fertilization. That zygote exists.
It's a life. It has a soul.
Period. A Gray area on the other side.
Some folks lean on the science of the which science depends on
(11:23):
who you ask. Some say it's when the embryo
develops a heartbeat. Others argue it's brain activity
or when the spinal cord connects.
Some push it further to viability, when a baby could
survive outside the womb with medical help.
And depending on who you ask, viability could mean 22 weeks,
24 weeks, or even later. So you see the problem?
(11:44):
If you think life begins at conception, then every abortion
is murder. If you think life begins at
viability, then early abortion is acceptable.
But late term? Horrifying.
The same word life, but completely different
definitions. That's why this debate turns
into a screaming match. We're not even talking about the
same thing. Now let me be crystal clear on
(12:05):
one point. Late term abortion.
No, unless the mother is going to die, it should never be OK.
That's not women's rights. That's infanticide.
The fact that anyone defends killing a fully developed baby
blows my mind. That being said, hold on, almost
hear you guys shuffling. You do have tough cases even
(12:27):
with that. But if the baby has a condition
incompatible with life, like no brain development or a genetic
disease or survival outside the womb is impossible, should the
mother be forced to carry to term knowing the baby will not
take one breath before dying? That's a whole different level
of health. These are the conversations we
(12:47):
should be having. Real, mature conversations about
thresholds, exceptions, edge cases.
Instead, both sides just stick to slogans.
The second someone tries to bring nuance, they get cancelled
by their own team. I'd be lying if I didn't have
some worry about my team and their response to this.
So what's actually happened since Roe got Newt?
Let's finish up with that. Let's get out.
(13:10):
Get out of the slogans and look at some numbers.
These are factual statistics. None of you blame the messenger,
me, for what I'm going to tell you.
First, as mentioned, dozen states now have total abortion
bans. Another 20 plus states set
different cut offs. Six weeks in places like Georgia
and Florida. 12 weeks here, 20 weeks there.
(13:33):
I've already given you those. Here's the shocker.
Banning abortion did not make itvanish.
It's not a shocker. The total number of abortions in
the US actually went up the yearafter Roe V.
Wade was overturned. Why?
Because women are crossing statelines to get them.
Illinois, for example, is basically Planned Parenthood's
(13:54):
Ellis Island right about now. People pouring in from Missouri,
Kentucky, Indiana, and so on. But here's the darker side.
In the 14 states with bans, researchers estimate there were
over 22,000 more births than expected.
Sounds like a win if you're pro-life.
Except that the same study showed 478 more infant deaths in
(14:17):
those states. So let that sink in.
So more babies are born, but also more babies are dying
because the system wasn't ready to actually support them once
they got there. pro-life can't just mean get the kid out of the
womb, take care. pro-life can't just mean get the kid out of the
womb, take care. Good luck.
The legal fallout. Since Roe fell, 400 plus women
(14:37):
across the 16 states have been criminally charged under
pregnancy related laws. Miscarriages labeled as
homicide, self induced attempts treated like murder.
Some argue that it is. We've reached a point where a
woman can lose a pregnancy and end up in court for it.
Congratulations, we've criminalized biology.
(15:00):
These types of cases have got tobe fixed.
So here's here's where we're at.A Republic that looks more like
a damn patchwork mess. If you live in California or New
York, abortions protected. If you live in Texas or Alabama,
it's basically a medieval law. And if you're poor, stuck or
scared, you don't get to choose anything.
(15:22):
So the big question is, should the federal government step back
in? Should we have one national
standard? Some people say yes.
Otherwise your rights depend on your zip code.
Others say absolutely not. This belongs at the state level,
end of story. After all, certain regions have
overwhelming amounts of shared opinions and morals.
(15:44):
That's the whole idea. Guess what, both sides are
hypocrites. Republicans scream about states
rights until it's something thatthey want federally banned.
Democrats scream about national protection until it's an issue
they want left to local control.Nobody is consistent, they just
want power when it suits them. Personally, I think there's a
(16:05):
case for at least some federal guardrails.
If you're going to call yourselfa civilized nation, you can't be
jailing women for miscarriages and in other states you hand out
abortion pills like tic tacs. There has to be a baseline of
sanity, emergency care, protection for rape victims, and
yes, clarity on when late term abortions cross the line into
(16:26):
killing a baby. Here is the truth.
Both sides can sit down. Until both sides can sit down
and admit the other is not pure evil, nothing will change.
We'll just keep screaming, throwing slogans and watching
more women suffer in the middle.And the longer we pretend this
isn't a national issue, the morefractured the country will
(16:48):
become. So yeah, America, you wanted the
debate back with the states. We got it.
And look at the mess it's made. I can be honest.
I don't want women having abortions.
That's my opinion. I I don't like the thought of
it. I've been back and forth over it
many times in my life. But I respect that there are
extenuating circumstances. I respect that people come from
(17:09):
different religious backgrounds,spiritual beliefs, and moral
frameworks that lead them to different conclusion than me.
The end of the day, it's not my place to judge every situation
in every circumstance that is between them, their conscience,
and God. Here's what is clear, both sides
have obvious points that deserveto be added to a foundation
(17:33):
moving forward for life and stepup for mental health, child
support, adoption reform, and actually taking care of the damn
women who need help. pro-choice.Stop pretending late term
abortion isn't barbaric and start engaging with the hard
moral questions one step at a time.
Let's build a foundation we can all stand on or we will all just
(17:56):
fall. Hit up the comments.
Let me know what you think aboutthis.
Like I said, this is a very Grayarea for me.
This as you saw this is this is not simple and it shouldn't be.
Drop all the the bipartisan stuff we got to meet in the
middle. We just you have to on something
like this. Let me know what you think.
Like you said, like and follow. Subscribe, stay sharp, stay
(18:18):
honest, stay human, stay in the fray.
Love you guys. All you need to do is just
listen up.
Banning abortion did not make itvanish.
It's not a shock. The total number of abortions in
the US actually went up the yearafter Roe V Wade was overturned.
Why? Because women are crossing state
lines to get this. Some states had these creepy
little things called trigger laws, basically abortion bans
that are sitting on a shelf likecanned beans and grandma's
(00:21):
basement just waiting for Roe todie so they could pop the lid.
Let's be honest, if you call yourself pro-life, you should be
pro the whole life. That includes a woman's life,
her mental health, and her chance at a future.
Otherwise, you're not pro-life, you're pro birth.
And you can be both. I am welcome to stay in the Fray
(00:48):
podcast. I'm your host, Ryan.
This is where headlines get hit hard.
Hypocracy gets shredded and the absurd are laughed at.
If you want comfort, this isn't your place.
If you want blunt and unfiltered, I'm your guy.
Join me in the fray. All you need to do is just
(01:08):
listen up. All right, guys, good to be
back. We're going to talk about
abortion today. Heavy stuff, but we have to do
it. I've been just constantly
preaching to all of you about how we need to discuss, how we
need to have a conversation, howCharlie Kirk represented what
this country needs, which is people to calm the hell down and
(01:31):
to talk. And as I started thinking about
some of the most controversial issues that need to be
discussed, you can't forget about abortion.
So I want it to be looked at differently than than how it's
been. I've been told 100 times that
I'm not allowed to have an opinion on abortion because I
(01:51):
have a penis and therefore not auterus.
Apparently the second you've gotballs, you're automatically
disqualified from thinking aboutlife and death, and I think
that's bullshit. We live in a Republic, not a
uterus club. The last time I checked, it does
take two people to make a baby. So yeah, father should have a
(02:12):
say. Biology is not our fault so let
me be clear right up front before we go any further.
I am not here to give a cookie cutter pro-life or pro-choice
rant. Don't come at me with your taken
inside my fellow right wingers. Don't come at me and and say how
dare you and and the left wingers just calm down you,
(02:35):
you're all are a little wild these days.
What I'm saying is that the issue is complicated as hell and
it deserves real discussion. And that's what I'm going to try
and do. Mature, messy, uncomfortable
discussion. Pretending that one slogan
solves it all is ridiculous. It's childish.
(02:55):
It's lazy. I am allowed to align with the
right and still want to talk about all of it.
People who align with the left should also want to talk about
all of it before the pro pro-choice crowd floods my inbox
with my body. My choice.
Hold on, that phrase changes when there's a second body
(03:17):
involved. Hold on, some of you getting all
perked up when there is a heartbeat or brain developing or
whatever else you want to use for life begins, the debate gets
real. If you actually care about
women, children, families, society, they'll even logic, you
(03:39):
should want to discuss it maturely.
Right now, we're not discussing anything at all, much less
maturely. We're screaming across the
fucking aisle while nothing getsdone.
So here's what I'm going to do. Let's walk through how Trump's
Supreme Court flipped Roe V. Wade on its head and handed
power back to the states, and what those states did with that
(03:59):
power. Total bans, half bans,
exceptions here and there like it's abortion roulette depending
on your zip code. I think it's also important to
tell you about some of the horror stories as well.
It's important that we talk about religious and scientific
split between when life begins and some questions nobody on
(04:23):
either side want to want to touch, like late term abortion.
Why is a father's voice treated like background noise?
Yeah, I'm going to go there. If you came for fluff, this
isn't you. This is the wrong podcast.
But if you came for raw, unfiltered honesty with research
to receipts, welcome to Stay in the Fray podcast.
(04:44):
It is October the 1st, 2025. Let's roll.
So quick history lesson before the social media troll mob
starts typing away. Roe V Wade wasn't some sacred
stone tablet handed down from Mount Sinai.
It was 1973 Supreme Court decision that basically said the
(05:05):
Constitution's right to privacy covered abortion for almost 50
years. It said a national baseline
states couldn't ban abortion in early pregnancy and any
restrictions had to pass a legalundue burden test.
Meanwhile, states kept poking atit.
Waiting periods, parental consent, mandatory ultrasounds.
(05:29):
They chipped away at Roe, but itheld.
Then Trump came. Love him or hate him, his three
Supreme Court picks shifted the court's balance and opened the
door to Dobbs versus Jackson Women's Health Organization in
2022. Dobbs didn't just tweak Roe and
naked it. The court said there is no
(05:50):
federal constitutional right to abortion translation.
The feds are out. The states are it.
This is the part that people forget or they choose to forget.
Trump did not ban abortion people.
He set the stage for the questions to go back to the
states. That's what a Republic is
supposed to be, especially with how they function on social
(06:13):
issues. So the real question is, what
have the states done with that power?
It's a mess, not going to lie. So Roe.
Roe falls, the court hands the ball to the states, and then
comes the chaos. Some states had these creepy
little things called trigger laws, basically abortion bans
(06:34):
that are sitting on a shelf likecanned beans and grandma's
basement just waiting for Roe todie so they could pop the lid.
Dobbs hits, boom, those laws snap into place overnight.
Right now about a dozen states have total bands.
Not kind of sort of bands, but flat out no abortions unless
maybe the mother is about to die.
(06:57):
Tennessee, Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, where I am, these are not
Gray area states. They've got flat out bands.
It doesn't matter if you are a 10 year old girl and raped, good
luck. Then you've got another two plus
dozen states with restrictions based on weeks.
Six weeks. Georgia and Florida, they say
six weeks, 6. That's a lot of women don't even
(07:20):
know that they're pregnant at six weeks.
That could be the point. That could be their goal.
Some are are set at 12 weeks, 20weeks.
It's like every state's running its own version of the Price is
Right. Spin the wheel and find out what
you get today. Don't think exceptions save the
day. There are some states, like
(07:42):
Idaho, for example, that say, well, we will allow it for rape
or incest, and it sounds compassionate, right?
But you've got to file a police report in that case is if
there's one thing a traumatized teenage girl wants after being
raped, it's to sit across from adetective and relive the details
before a doctor will even touch her chart.
(08:02):
Then there's the state line problem.
Women in banned states are now flooding into states that kept
abortion legal. Illinois is basically an
abortion hub now. Women drive in from all the
Midwestern states. Hell, half or they're just porn
across the border. So yeah, again, Trump gave power
back to the states, and what thestates did with it is a
(08:23):
patchwork nightmare. Your rights depend on zip code.
It's like some weird sick geography quiz to know what
rights you get. Let's get real for a second.
Take away the legal options. Women don't suddenly stop
wanting abortions. They get scared.
They get desperate. And that combination leads to
(08:43):
some horror stories. Just a couple.
There's a case of a 24 year old pregnant woman with twins who
tried a self abortion around 21 weeks.
I don't like that it was five months in, and I definitely
don't support an abortion at that point.
But her attempt went sideways fast.
She got sepsis, A brutal infection, and ended up not just
(09:05):
losing pregnancy, but her uterus, ovaries, tubes, the
works. So her shot at motherhood in the
future gone forever. Why?
Because she tried to do something that was dangerous
because nobody was allowed to help her.
Of course, that brings the wholeargument to fruition.
Should she have done it anyway? Is it?
Is it a legal issue? Again, that's not the point.
(09:29):
Let's go back a little further. Indiana, late 80s, a teenager
named Becky Bell couldn't get a legal abortion without parental
consent. She tried to handle it herself,
ended up with sepsis and died. So her parents lost their
daughter because the system decided it knew what was best.
Here's the stat nobody wants to admit.
A growing number of women today are reporting that they've tried
(09:52):
to self induce an abortion. It's not fringe.
It's happening in states where Access is basically 0.
This is the ugly, very real fallout of the bans.
And here's where I'm going to piss both sides off.
If you actually care about women, the answer cannot be It
cannot just be shouting ban abortions or shut the fuck up.
(10:16):
It's my body, my choice. You can't just do that.
We should also be pouring resources into mental health
professionals, into organizations that walk scared,
vulnerable women through their options.
Food, housing, counseling, medical care, support that makes
abortion feel like one option among many, if not a last
(10:36):
resort, not the only escape hatch.
So let's be honest. If you call yourself pro-life,
you should be pro the whole life.
That includes a woman's life, her mental health, and her
chance at a future. Otherwise, you're not pro-life,
you're pro birth. And you can be both.
I am. So here's the heart of the
fight, no pun intended. This is what it boils down to.
(11:01):
When does life actually begin? That's of course the $1,000,000
question, and it's why nobody can agree.
Christians will say life begins at conception.
Boom, fertilization. That zygote exists.
It's a life. It has a soul.
Period. A Gray area on the other side.
Some folks lean on the science of the which science depends on
(11:23):
who you ask. Some say it's when the embryo
develops a heartbeat. Others argue it's brain activity
or when the spinal cord connects.
Some push it further to viability, when a baby could
survive outside the womb with medical help.
And depending on who you ask, viability could mean 22 weeks,
24 weeks, or even later. So you see the problem?
(11:44):
If you think life begins at conception, then every abortion
is murder. If you think life begins at
viability, then early abortion is acceptable.
But late term? Horrifying.
The same word life, but completely different
definitions. That's why this debate turns
into a screaming match. We're not even talking about the
same thing. Now let me be crystal clear on
(12:05):
one point. Late term abortion.
No, unless the mother is going to die, it should never be OK.
That's not women's rights. That's infanticide.
The fact that anyone defends killing a fully developed baby
blows my mind. That being said, hold on, almost
hear you guys shuffling. You do have tough cases even
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with that. But if the baby has a condition
incompatible with life, like no brain development or a genetic
disease or survival outside the womb is impossible, should the
mother be forced to carry to term knowing the baby will not
take one breath before dying? That's a whole different level
of health. These are the conversations we
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should be having. Real, mature conversations about
thresholds, exceptions, edge cases.
Instead, both sides just stick to slogans.
The second someone tries to bring nuance, they get cancelled
by their own team. I'd be lying if I didn't have
some worry about my team and their response to this.
So what's actually happened since Roe got Newt?
Let's finish up with that. Let's get out.
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Get out of the slogans and look at some numbers.
These are factual statistics. None of you blame the messenger,
me, for what I'm going to tell you.
First, as mentioned, dozen states now have total abortion
bans. Another 20 plus states set
different cut offs. Six weeks in places like Georgia
and Florida. 12 weeks here, 20 weeks there.
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I've already given you those. Here's the shocker.
Banning abortion did not make itvanish.
It's not a shocker. The total number of abortions in
the US actually went up the yearafter Roe V.
Wade was overturned. Why?
Because women are crossing statelines to get them.
Illinois, for example, is basically Planned Parenthood's
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Ellis Island right about now. People pouring in from Missouri,
Kentucky, Indiana, and so on. But here's the darker side.
In the 14 states with bans, researchers estimate there were
over 22,000 more births than expected.
Sounds like a win if you're pro-life.
Except that the same study showed 478 more infant deaths in
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those states. So let that sink in.
So more babies are born, but also more babies are dying
because the system wasn't ready to actually support them once
they got there. pro-life can't just mean get the kid out of the
womb, take care. pro-life can't just mean get the kid out of the
womb, take care. Good luck.
The legal fallout. Since Roe fell, 400 plus women
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across the 16 states have been criminally charged under
pregnancy related laws. Miscarriages labeled as
homicide, self induced attempts treated like murder.
Some argue that it is. We've reached a point where a
woman can lose a pregnancy and end up in court for it.
Congratulations, we've criminalized biology.
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These types of cases have got tobe fixed.
So here's here's where we're at.A Republic that looks more like
a damn patchwork mess. If you live in California or New
York, abortions protected. If you live in Texas or Alabama,
it's basically a medieval law. And if you're poor, stuck or
scared, you don't get to choose anything.
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So the big question is, should the federal government step back
in? Should we have one national
standard? Some people say yes.
Otherwise your rights depend on your zip code.
Others say absolutely not. This belongs at the state level,
end of story. After all, certain regions have
overwhelming amounts of shared opinions and morals.
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That's the whole idea. Guess what, both sides are
hypocrites. Republicans scream about states
rights until it's something thatthey want federally banned.
Democrats scream about national protection until it's an issue
they want left to local control.Nobody is consistent, they just
want power when it suits them. Personally, I think there's a
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case for at least some federal guardrails.
If you're going to call yourselfa civilized nation, you can't be
jailing women for miscarriages and in other states you hand out
abortion pills like tic tacs. There has to be a baseline of
sanity, emergency care, protection for rape victims, and
yes, clarity on when late term abortions cross the line into
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killing a baby. Here is the truth.
Both sides can sit down. Until both sides can sit down
and admit the other is not pure evil, nothing will change.
We'll just keep screaming, throwing slogans and watching
more women suffer in the middle.And the longer we pretend this
isn't a national issue, the morefractured the country will
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become. So yeah, America, you wanted the
debate back with the states. We got it.
And look at the mess it's made. I can be honest.
I don't want women having abortions.
That's my opinion. I I don't like the thought of
it. I've been back and forth over it
many times in my life. But I respect that there are
extenuating circumstances. I respect that people come from
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different religious backgrounds,spiritual beliefs, and moral
frameworks that lead them to different conclusion than me.
The end of the day, it's not my place to judge every situation
in every circumstance that is between them, their conscience,
and God. Here's what is clear, both sides
have obvious points that deserveto be added to a foundation
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moving forward for life and stepup for mental health, child
support, adoption reform, and actually taking care of the damn
women who need help. pro-choice.Stop pretending late term
abortion isn't barbaric and start engaging with the hard
moral questions one step at a time.
Let's build a foundation we can all stand on or we will all just
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fall. Hit up the comments.
Let me know what you think aboutthis.
Like I said, this is a very Grayarea for me.
This as you saw this is this is not simple and it shouldn't be.
Drop all the the bipartisan stuff we got to meet in the
middle. We just you have to on something
like this. Let me know what you think.
Like you said, like and follow. Subscribe, stay sharp, stay
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honest, stay human, stay in the fray.
Love you guys. All you need to do is just
listen up.
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