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November 26, 2025 57 mins

Following the Wicked press tours, there have been countless online conversations about Ariana Grande and her dynamic with Cynthia Erivo. So we're re-running our 2023 episode "Not a Woman’s Woman" with new analysis of the press tour that nearly overshadowed the films, including the constant crying, the hand-holding, the "holding space" meme, and why people online were both moved and alarmed.

In the original episode, we examine the backlash towards Ariana after she was called "not a girl’s girl" by Lily Jay, the estranged wife of her Wicked co-star and now boyfriend Ethan Slater, and why Megan Fox is so often accused of not appealing to women. We break down labels like homewrecker, mean girl and pick me girl, and explore why some women are disliked by the sisterhood.

Oh! And stay tuned for our Sunday episode all about the 90s. See you then.

Clip used: Wicked press tour with PinkNews.

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