#5: Happy Mother’s Day aka You Are Not My Mother

Attention Passengers: On this episode of Strangers on a Podcast we have a special movie for Mother's Day. Just before Halloween, a young teen's mother mysteriously vanishes. When she returns, her increasingly strange behavior makes the family begin to suspect that something more sinister has returned in place of the young mother. Join us, won't you? 

 

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You Are Not My Mother (Blu-ray)

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Episode Transcript

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-Attention passengers, today on Strangers on a Podcast,

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we have a 2021 Irish movie that makes you question reality.
It contains an ailing grandmother,
a mentally unstable mother,
and a young teenage daughter
just trying to hold it all together.
Oh, and just a smidge of folklore
thrown in for good measure.

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Join us, won't you?
-Hello and welcome to the MovieCar here at

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Strangers on a Podcast.
I'm the conductor and with me is.
-I'm Grim Weed.
Welcome Grim Weed.
-We're called Strangers on a Podcast because
we're two guys who don't know each other and we're talking about movies to see how they bring people together.
Are we gonna drive each other nuts?
-Possibly. -Are we gonna curse and scream one another out? Are we gonna stay on topic? -Possibly again.

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Possibly, hopefully. And today we are talking about the one... -What was the last one? I didn't hear you.
(laughter)
Stay on topic.
-That's not gonna happen.
-And today we are talking about the one and only... -You are not my mother.
-From 2021 by Kate Dolan. I don't know how popular this movie is. I don't know how many people have seen it. I saw it on Hulu. Where did you see it, Grim? -I saw it on Hulu as well.

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-And you found this movie. You told me how you ought to check it out.
-I thought because it is Mother's Day, why not have a movie about mothers?
mothers. - You Are Not My Mother stars Hazel Doupe as Charlotte Delaney, Carolyn
Bracken as her mother Angela, Ingrid Craigie as Rita, Charlotte's grandmother,
Paul Reed as Aaron Delaney, which is Charlotte's uncle, and Angela's brother,

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and Rita's son. Then there's Jordanne Jones as Suzanne, a bully who comes
around a bit. There's also Katie White as Kelly, Florence Adebambo as Amanda, a pair
bullies who don't come around and -well I don't know if I'd go that far but we'll
get to that -and Jade Jordan is Miss Devlin teacher to all the underage
characters involved and I would like to first -bit of a trigger warning this

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movie deals with some pretty triggering issues -between mother and daughter w-ell
parenting issues mental health issues there are some some things that come up
up that could set some people off.
-If you had a traumatic upbringing with some parents who were not
particularly stable, this movie may really light up some bad bells for you.

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-Yeah.
But yeah, so this movie is about a young girl dealing with the mental
instability of her mother, the questionable parenting or grandparenting
of her grandmother, who I guess in a way is just doing her best.

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But for the most part of this movie, it is a young girl that's dealing with
basically the mental health collapse of her family and having to be the one that
tries to hold it together while also skipping a year in school and dealing with
bullies at school because she doesn't fit in.
So it's an outsider trying to fit in while dealing with

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mental health issues at home.
-It's a story about Charlotte or Char or Char as she's called in the picture
whose bipolar mother Angela goes missing after taking her to school one day.
Angela's gone for a few days and shows up a changed person.
No more crippling depression, no more overwhelmed exhaustion, now she's wearing nice dresses and cooking food for the whole family.

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Something seems a little off though to Rita the grandmother at first.
Then Charlotte as the story goes on.
We the viewer get to see Angela, if it is Angela, exhibiting all manner of bizarre behavior that we're left to wonder if this is the woman spiraling into pure insanity or is something supernatural at play.
Rita, the grandmother, makes luck tokens on twigs and leaves for the family so she's a wise woman with old knowledge. Something about Angela being back has her hackles up.

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And according to the neighborhood the whole Delaney family is not quite right in the head.
So what we're left to deal with as viewer is Angela crazy and her craziness is exacerbated by her mother's craziness
When Chara is caught in the middle or is something else going on is the viewer we get to watch and decide
-And it takes a long time before it sets any kind of record straight

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-This is a slow burn movie -that pays off. -It pays off if you're out there and you're like, oh
I hate slow burn movies
Well, this might not be the movie for you. If you do love slow burn movies, then here you go
Here's one that might not be as popular and well known as it ought to be yeah
-And some slow burn movies you can kind of walk away from or come in late

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Or just kind of have on as background until it gets good other slow burn movies
You have to take in all the information as it's given to you and try and find other information
That's hidden and then the ending kind of comes together
This is I'd say it leans more towards that
-Now in the lead-up to watching this movie I was warned by a good Mr. Grimweed that this is a triggering movie to many.

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I did not find it as such. I can see how it could be triggering, but it wasn't really for me.
And maybe the warning immunized me. I don't know.
-Well, I gave you the warning because being somebody that has had family members with dementia and
just mental health decline as well as having a lot of friends that had the same issue and

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watching what they had to deal with, I could very easily see this movie just
tearing someone apart. Especially just being the fact that it's a young girl
that's got to try and hold all this together. It's not an adult that's... it's a
person in their 50s or 60s dealing with someone in their 80s or 90s. It's a

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teenager dealing with like someone in their mid 40s. -And kind of not
any much help from the oldest generation either.
-Yeah.
-Now it starts with the stroller, abandoned at the end of a street at night, though only briefly.
A woman comes and takes the stroller into the woods at night.
So this is odd.
A baby should be home at night.
-And you do hear the woman that takes the stroller, she's being yelled at by another woman yelling after,

(06:44):
like calling her back trying to get her to not go.
So you do hear some some kind of argument like whatever she's doing isn't something that is wanted.
-The woman then sets the baby in a ring in the dark forest floor made of herbs and tinder then lights the ring on fire.
She then watches as the baby screams. We see her face in the firelight watching intently.

(07:07):
-We do not see a baby burn.
-We do not see a baby burn.
But we cut to the modern day and we meet Char, a teenage girl that looks like a bit of acne, not a thing wrong with her except her life is hell.
She's late for school and needs a ride, but her grandmother can't take her because her foot is extra sore that day.
But if we look close to the grandma's face, we quickly notice that she is the woman who was in the woods with that baby.

(07:30):
-Yeah, and they show her foot. I don't know what was wrong with her foot. It looked pretty nasty.
But I don't know why her foot would have seized up, but again, I have no idea what was wrong with her.
-Char goes to get her mother out of bed and we see Angela for the first time as a disheveled mess who seems barely
Cognizant for but then the deep dark depression she's in she tiredly escapes her room to give her daughter a lift to school

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But almost runs into a horse that's standing in the middle of the road
-Wasn't that the Pooka -if a Pooka appears before you as a as a black horse and you are
Hypnotized by that black horse on your journey
Then you will not be able to return home because something is going to stop you and as Angela is driving toward the black horse
she is very much hypnotized by it and almost runs right into it. Her daughter

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Char has to grab the wheel and drag the car off the road to avoid
her hitting the horse. Now Char walks the rest of the way to school. Angela says I
can't do this anymore so Char tells her to go home. It's not a beautiful and
unstrained mother-daughter relationship. -Char had asked her mom to
get groceries on their way home because they had no food at the house.

(08:39):
There was nothing there. They just, they needed everything.
-They need cereal, they need milk, they need bread.
-Yeah. She said, "Oh, you know, bread, cereal, milk, everything.
We need everything. We need food in the house to eat. There's nothing there."
-Which gives you an idea a little bit about what kind of hell Angela must be living under
to ignore certain basics of motherhood to that extent.

(09:03):
-But yeah, then there's the accident Char asks Angela what's wrong with her and
Goes to get out of the car and Angela just says I can't do this anymore, right?
But there's no context so it really is ominous like what is she gonna do? What does she mean by that?
-And it's not a nice thing to say for what happens later. -No

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- Now Char gets to school and is bullied in her class by a girl named Suzanne
We get to see that Char is a gifted student and she's got a drawing for an art project. That's a
blank person sitting in a ring of fire with flames flying up around them drawn
in what looks like pastel on black paper. Her teacher asks where she got the idea
for that and Char says she had a dream about it maybe. Now Char is on her way home

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and finds her mom's car abandoned with the door open and groceries
inside. So Angela's mom did try and go get groceries. Angela is nowhere to be
found so she goes home and tells her grandmother her uncle Aaron the police
arrived the police say there's not much they can do with it only being a few
hours since you went missing which as far as I know in the US is total bullshit.
In movies and TV shows there's this trope that the police have to wait 24

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hours before they can declare a person missing when they're missing. In reality
if someone's missing they're missing right away and cops tend to treat it
like a possible abduction as soon as they find out about it so don't ever
think you have to wait 24 hours to report someone missing. By then it might
be too late. -No you don't have to wait but at the same time for an adult to be
missing for just a couple hours when you don't know if that's even where they

(10:35):
were going to begin with. Especially in in a situation like this with like the
cops said they were getting a bunch of calls because of it being Halloween. I
could see how it would make it tough to really look for somebody but yes
definitely still report it. But I mean adults are kind of free to do what
they want to an extent so if they decide they want to walk away they kind of can.

(11:00):
-Yes to an extent but if a family is concerned that someone is missing when they shouldn't be
missing -oh yeah -then that is then by all rights they should call the police.
- Oh yeah I'm not saying don't report it I'm just saying in defense of them not being able to do
much it's because people have just walked away at times and they make this huge deal out of it and

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And the person's like, "No, I just was tired of being there."
- Oh, person walked away.
That is such a lamest excuse.
You know what, how many times have you watched a movie
where some 17-year-old girl disappears
and the cops just like, kids leave, that's how it works.
- How many times have women--
- No, she didn't leave, she was killed

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by a serial killer, pal.
And you're not looking for the serial killer
and that's why he's getting away with murder.
You keep saying all the 17-year-olds are leaving.
- How many times have women been abused
by their husbands or boyfriends or whatever
and ran away to be in a safe place.
And the husband said, "Oh no, they're missing,"
and were drug back because the husband said

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that the woman was missing.
And how many of them have been able to say,
"I just needed to get away."
I think right there is a perfect example
of why a person should be able to just walk away.
- That's a very good point I hadn't thought of.
I was thinking of 17 year olds getting serial killed.
-I mean there's advantages and disadvantages either way you look at it but there are definite reasons why somebody should be able to just walk away.

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-There are. But at this point in the movie Uncle Aaron and Grandma Rita and Char the star of the movie are a family in crisis with their mentally ill fourth member missing and possibly hurt.
They don't have any recent pictures of Angela so they do make do with what they have and canvas the neighborhood.
-Well, there might be recent pictures, but Char didn't know because she's scared to go into her mom's room.

(12:52):
-Right.
Char runs into Suzanne, Kelly, and Amanda, the bullies, in an alley,
and they hassle her and almost burn her mom's picture until she snatches it back.
And the one girl, Kelly?
-Little bitch.
-Total psychopath pyro.
-Oh, yeah.
I'm sorry for the spoiler, but that girl needed to be locked up.
-Yes.
-It's pretty bad with this girl.

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-She needs to get more than what she got.
-Either way, no sign of Angela.
Things are not looking happy for the Delaney's.
And she's missing for a few days.
And we get some very moody, awesome shots of the Irish skyline as it were.
-Yeah.
It looked like a nice little village.
-Yeah, that was Dublin.
-Okay.
It still looked like a nice little village.

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I mean, wherever it was shot, it looked like a nice little village.
-It looked, it was shot in Northern Dublin.
Okay.
But did it not look like a nice little village?
It looked like a nice little part of Dublin.
I mean, it could have been on a backlot at Universal Studios.
It still looked like a nice little village.

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Shot it in Dublin, in Northern Dublin, where the housing developments were.
Yeah.
That looked like a nice little village.
-Well, things are not looking happy with the Delanyes and then Angela just shows up.
-And in the middle of the night, wasn't it?
She just, she kind of came in the middle of the night and, uh, Char
woke up because she heard the door flapping?

(14:17):
-I believe so.
I don't know, I'm terrible at this because one thing I've learned with my podcasting so far is that I have
I have a really lame, terrible memory because I watched this movie like twice
an hour before I wrote what I needed to write for the podcast and I can't remember exact details.
-I watched this movie twice today and then had to go and watch something else

(14:39):
to get my head into a different place because this is a heavy one.
-Yeah. Well, -and even then trying to remember this specific scene, it seems like I remember that she
heard a noise and went downstairs and the door was open and like the wind was blowing. So it was
causing the door to move. And she walks around inside the house a bit and then turns and sees

(15:02):
her mom sitting in another room. But I can't remember if that's that same instance or not.
-Either way, Angela just shows up, her doctors give her some new meds, and because she was on a lot of medications before,
for the bipolar manic depressive disorder that she apparently had,
Angela's mother, Char's grandmother, described Angela as having "down days", which assumes she has "up days".

(15:25):
On down days, she is a complete zombie who has to lay in bed.
Tends to imply to me that she's on a few medications for mental issues, like depression or bipolar disorder.
-Or she's not medicated and having the issues. Either way she's having issues.
-She is definitely having issues.
But her doctors give her some new meds.

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-Including lithium.
-Including lithium, which the pharmacy forgets and Char has to go back to the pharmacy and get it.
But she gets these new meds and suddenly she's a bright forceful cheerful young lady who adores her daughter and cooks for her family.
She dances with Char in the kitchen as she's cooking.
What she cooks looks a bit odd.
-But apparently it smells good.
-Did it smell good?

(16:06):
-Everybody said it smells nice.
-Now, uh, Rita, the grandmother accidentally
spills the pan of what she -was accidentally?.
-No, I don't believe it was.
- Yeah.
I, I watched that specifically for, or not
watched that specifically for that scene.
I watched that scene specifically for this
part, because when I'd watched it before, I

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didn't really pay attention.
It's like, did she just dump it?
And the last time I watched it, when I got to
that part, I paid close attention.
-Yeah, she just slams her hand down on the pan.
-She just sticks her arm out and shoves the
whole pot onto the floor.
-Right.
And then she's like, Oh dear, I'm sorry.
-Yeah.
And it's like a big pot, like a big stock
pot of what looks like a thick pea soup.
-It's some sort of green porridge or something.

(16:51):
-Yeah.
Some kind of thick pea soup looking thing.
-And when it gets on the floor, Angela
runs to it and tries to scoop it all back
up into the pan or the pot.
She doesn't seem to like normal food anymore.
After the pot's been spilled, uh, uncle
Aaron walks in and he's like, well, it looks
like it's a good thing.
I brought over some chips, which is what we, we
would call fries over here in the States.

(17:12):
And, uh, they share a large amount of fries.
- Yeah.
A lot, like he was intending that to be the meal.
-Yeah.
-I don't know if I could do that as a full meal.
It's one thing like maybe have an order like for
lunch or something, or like a snack type thing,
but for a full on evening meal, I don't know if I

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could do that.
- Well, these are you don't get the impression that the Delaney's are rolling in money -true.
I guess you kinda take what you can get.
-Yeah, the family shares the chips or or fries for dinner, but Angela only has like one or maybe two.
-Oh yeah, she has a couple when she finally does eat.
She makes a point of just shoving a few in her mouth -and giving her mother Rita a very dirty look.

(17:58):
-Oh yeah.
-And then that night she shoves her whole down.
She shoves her whole hand down her throat so
she can puke the fries up.
-Yeah.
And by whole hand, it's like flat Palm straight
down, at least to the wrist.
-And her daughter sees this, maybe it was a trick
of the eye or something.
-Either way, she freaks the fuck out.

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-She locks her door and uh, runs back.
-She doesn't lock her door.
She closes her door.
-She closes her door, runs back to bed and
pretends to be asleep.
-Because her mom comes and opens the door and whispers to try and see if she's awake.
-As luck would have it, Suzanne the bully apologizes to Char for her and her friends almost burning
the picture earlier.
She hadn't known at the time that Char was out looking for Angela.

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Suzanne's father has told his daughter that he doesn't want her hanging out with the Delaney
girl.
Now Suzanne wants to hang out with the Delaney girl.
-She wasn't told that until after this.
She went to apologize and Char was ignoring her
'cause Char was coming out of the pharmacy
and Suzanne saw her coming out and was calling after her

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trying to get her to stop and Char was ignoring her
and she's like, "Call me a dickhead,
"punch me in the face, do whatever.
"I'm just trying to say sorry,
"I didn't know about your mom and blah, blah, blah."
Char just tells her to leave her alone.
- I don't care, just leave me alone.
- Yeah, so she's like, "Fine, whatever,"
and walks across the street to her dad,

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and her dad asks who that is.
- And he says, "It's Char Delaney,"
he says, "I want you staying away from them Delaney's."
- Yeah. - Or something like that.
- And after that is when she decides
she's gonna be friends.
- Yeah, because as soon as her dad says to stay away,
then suddenly she wants to be friends.
It turns out that Suzanne's mom died when she was little,
and it's nice, it's good for them to be friends,

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since Good for Suzanne to not be a total evil bitch.
- And she drowned.
- Unlike Kelly, who was a psychopath.
Yeah, her mom drowned.
- Yes.
- But there are bonuses to the new Angela.
- There are?
- There are bonuses to the new Angela, yeah.
At one point, Psycho Kelly is about to use a hair spray
and lighter combo to burn Charlotte's face off.

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- Yeah, I guess that is a bonus.
- And she asks what that thing on Char's face is.
It turns out it's not acne,
it's a birthmark thing on Char's cheek.
And Kelly says it looks like a burn, and I'm going to burn the rest of your face off to do what the fire should finish.
-Yeah, she says, "Do you want another one?"
And then she decides she's going to give her another one right in the center of her face so she sees it all the time.

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-And she has a lighter and a bottle of hairspray and she is raring to go.
She's got a smile on her face, she is going to hurt Char, our main character.
-And there is nobody stopping her.
-Nobody. And then Angela shows up and knocks the little pyro bitch on her ass.
-Rightly so.
- Yeah, and she tells Charlotte she has to not put up with being treated like that.

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She gives her a kind of pep talk, which is a nice thing for a mom to give a daughter.
You know, at a vulnerable time when a girl's being bullied.
Angela gives Charlotte this little pep talk and then she walks right into a running river as if it was a wading pool.
Despite it being the cold Irish autumn.
Halloween is right around the corner and people are carving pumpkins.
But things get weirder at the Delaney house.

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Uncle Aaron wants to fix the latch on the front door and this causes Angela to fix him a cup of tea.
Unfortunately, she's ground up many tablets of lithium and put them in the tea for him to drink.
Char comes home and Uncle Aaron is being carted off in an ambulance.
And that night Angela wants to dance again. Char doesn't want to.
-Well, this is, the ambulance has just left. Like literally just left.

(21:42):
You watch them through the window drive away as Angela's watch or as Chara is watching them drive away
and she turns as Angela's putting music on.
- Yeah, Angela's putting a record on the old record.
-Yeah, and Char just is like, do you think he's gonna be okay?
And her mom's putting on music and starting to dance.

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-Char doesn't want to dance with her because she's worried about Uncle Aaron.
So Angela dances by herself.
-In kind of a ritualistic type of way.
-In kind of a manic, insane kind of way, she
dances so hard she breaks her own ankle.
Then she cries, then she laughs, then she cries.
--Well, it goes.
-Then she laughs more and then she grabs Char

(22:22):
and tries to wrestle her into dancing.
All to the tune of an old record that she had
put on, Charlotte finally has to run away from
her mother on her hands and knees and lock
herself in the room to get away from her.
And it's a hard scene to watch because it's not
hard to imagine this as being perhaps something
Charlotte has had to do before during one of her
Mother's Manic episodes or maybe this is the first time one has presented so intensely.

(22:44):
-Well you can tell she was scared. I mean this this whole event scared the crap out of her.
This is when like earlier you thought she would lock the door. This is I think might be what you
were thinking of when she skittered in a room real quick shut the door behind her and she shoved her
feet up against it so her mom couldn't open it and ends up locking the door then.
-Yeah it is uh a great performance from uh Carolyn Bracken as Angela.

(23:10):
-Great performance from both of them.
-Yeah, great performance from her just really whipping this dance scene up into...
It's just insane to watch.
-And it fits the whole mythology thing too.
-It does.
-Um, just the whole thought of like the creatures that would make you dance till your feet would bleed.
-Mm-hmm.
Grandma Rita suspects things.

(23:30):
-You think?
-She sets a little ball of ivy and twigs to smoldering and puts it under her so Aaron's bed
as she finds out he's suffering from a lithium overdose and puts the pieces together.
Now she'd given one of these little balls of ivy and twigs to Char before
saying it was for protection. Char wants to have Suzanne over for dinner.

(23:50):
-Yeah, there was a nice little moment with Char and Suzanne when they were just sitting and talking
and Suzanne tells her about her mom and her necklace and then Char asks Suzanne to go
back to her house for dinner and when they get back granny's not into it -no
-it's we're having a family dinner you can't be here you need to go home -they

(24:13):
have important family business to talk about and Suzanne leaves of her own
accord -well not really well sort of but there's more to it than just her
leaving -what happened that made her leave I forget - Suzanne's like well Char
asked me to stay for dinner and Rita kept keeps insisting no she ends up

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going into the kitchen to wait while Rita and Char discuss it.
And while in the kitchen, Suzanne sees a picture of Char
and her mom on the refrigerator and is sitting at the table
looking at this picture.
And then you see a little drip of water and some hair
and a mouth and this nice little necklace
that matches the necklace that Suzanne's wearing

(24:57):
as this person tells her she needs to get out.
So she freaks the fuck out and runs out of the house.
And that's why the whole like her mother had drowned and Suzanne's necklace was made to match the necklace that her mother was buried in.
-Hmm.
Well, I didn't watch that scene when I was too busy taking notes during the movie to watch that scene closely because wow, I completely failed to take notes or watch the movie correctly there.

(25:24):
Okay.
Yeah, I need to rewatch the movie now.
Thank you.
-Well, when she goes into the kitchen, she first smells something, the food that's in the pot.
And apparently it doesn't smell as nice as whatever it was the other night.
-Yes, that was my memory, is that it didn't smell that very, it didn't smell very good.
-Yeah, and then she walks over to the refrigerator and sees the pictures, pulls one off the refrigerator.

(25:45):
And as she's walking from the refrigerator to the table, you see a figure behind her in a doorway.
And then you see the drop of water and you see the necklace to indicate, well, that's her mom.
And she had drowned so that's why she's all wet.
-After Suzanne leaves Rita explains how when Charlotte was born she was taken
by the fairies and how a changeling was left in Charlotte's place.

(26:07):
She, the grandmother and a wise old fairy doctor who knows the ways of the fair folk and of magic,
took the changeling to the woods and placed it in a ring of fire to get the real Charlotte back.
When the real Charlotte was returned the fire had burnt her cheek and that's where she got the
birthmark in quotes that we've seen on her face since her first appearance on
camera now the Fair Folk have come back and taken Angela leaving a changeling in

(26:32):
her place possibly with the goal of the changeling Angela taking Charlotte but
Charlotte unfortunately she doesn't know to believe this or not -would you? -is this
true or has grandma Rita just gone off the deep end is she living in a house
with two crazy people or what is going on? She saw her mother shove her whole

(26:53):
hand down her own throat or at least that's what it looked like and her mom
danced like a maniac the other night and her mom saved her from a bully who was
gonna burn her face off. Is that just her mom being her unpredictable self or
what's going on? She doesn't know. But it turns out that Angela is tied up Exorcist
style in the upstairs room and Rita wants Charlotte to help get the bound

(27:16):
Angela near the near a fire so that the changeling will reveal itself and they
can get the real Angela back and that is too much reality at once for Charlotte
and she locks Rita out of the room and unties her mentally ill mother
dutifully then she gets a peek at her mother's reflection and regrets it in
the mirror Angela's face is twisted up in a kind of black tooth demonic leer

(27:38):
Angela emerges from the bedroom and confronts Rita and she tells Charlotte
to go to bed.
-Yeah, she had had a dream
that woke her up before
of her mother with like her eyes.
It almost looked like her eyes
and mouth were all,
or at least her eyes were sewn shut.
-And her mother looked like
she did in the dream
when she looked in the mirror.

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And she stopped untying her mother.
I believe she actually,
she didn't untie her all the way.
She untied one wrist,
saw her mother in the mirror.
-Yeah, she untied the wrist
and pulled out the gag.
And her mom kind of came to
and looked in the mirror.
And when her mom looked in the mirror,
she turned and looked and saw that and rightfully freaked out.
-Yeah, and then unfortunately it was too late and her mother untied herself the rest of the way.

(28:22):
-Yeah, but at least now she knows something's not right rather than just them all being kind of
touched in the head. She knows there's something more going on and she needs to probably pay more
attention to granny than she has been. -But it might be too late for that because Angela
Emerges from the bedroom and tells Charlotte to go to bed and when she wakes up

(28:45):
Gramma Rita is dead in the living room and her mother Angela is coughing up something alien looking and what was that?
-Yeah, I was gonna ask if you knew what that was
-It looked like a tooth or some kind. -Well, it was awfully long
So if it was a tooth it had to have been -a non human tooth -like a almost like a like a dog's canine
-Yeah, -or something. There was it was definitely long

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I thought maybe she had just coughed up one of the fries that they had ate.
-No, I think she puked all those up the night up.
I mean it looked like, 'cause it wasn't like a McDonald's french fry type, that style chip.
It was like the big thick.
-Yeah, big thick steak fry kind of potato.
-Exactly, so the big steak fry type.
So that's kind of what was making me, it was about that size, it looked like a piece of one of those.

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So it could have been like a piece of a finger or something, I don't know.
-Looked more white to me, I don't know what it was.
-But size-wise, that's the size we're dealing with.
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
-She coughs up something weird.
-Yeah, either a really long tooth, a finger, or a piece of fry that she ate a couple nights ago.
Oh yeah, and also a bunch of blood with it.
-And a bunch of... oh yeah.
-Yeah.

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-When she coughed up the thing, it was bloody.
-Yeah, and that's when Suzanne shows up.
Charlotte hides from her changed mother at Suzanne's place,
and they make a plan to get Angela near a bonfire like Rita wanted.
Now Angela starts to tear her hair out and she's still limping from when she went nuts dancing.
And the changeling's disguise is starting to slip.
She goes out on Halloween night to stalk the streets as a macabre specter among the revelers looking for Charlotte.

(30:18):
-Well she was on her way to Suzanne's house.
-Yeah, but Charlotte reveals herself and a chase ensues.
Now Charlotte gets to a bonfire that's still unlit but now Katie and Amanda and some goons are there.
-Is it a bonfire if it's not lit?
-It's an unlit bonfire.
-Is it just a tinder pile?
-Based on how much work they put into it, I'm calling it an unlit bonfire.

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This thing looked like a wooden teepee or something.
-Oh yeah, it was just a pyramid of pallets.
-It was a pyramid of...
-That's gonna be fun to edit.
Pyramid of pallets.
-It was this insane thing that looked like it had been engineered to burn as much as possible.
-Yeah.
-And they had made it by scrounging pallets from the backs of warehouses for who knows how long.

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Based on what I've seen in this movie alone, I can say that I feel like I can say when they make a
bonfire over in Ireland, they take it very seriously. They do not just go to the gas station and buy
some wood to throw in a pile and throw lighter fluid on the fire. No, no, no, they find a lot of
wood to burn. -It wasn't is it wasn't like the it wasn't the Candyman by bonfire. -No, that that was

(31:27):
longer. -It wasn't the bonfire like from Sherlock that they put Watson in it
wasn't quite that big. -I haven't seen that episode but thank you. -But it was it
was a pretty decent sized pile of wood. -It was. Katie has the goons Katie the
pyro by the way. -Kelly. -Is it Kelly or Katie? -I thought it was Kelly. -It might be
Kelly. I've been calling her Katie all this darn bond all this darn. -Yeah

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Char leads her her mom to the pile of wood where she's supposed to meet Suzanne
and Suzanne's not there.
- No, now it's Kelly.
- It's the goon squad, Kelly, Amanda,
and a couple guys that never get names.
- Yeah, and they grab Charlotte
and they throw her under the bonfire.
- Yeah, they put her inside the stack.

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- They put her inside of it,
and pyro bitch Kelly is talking about
how she's gonna burn Charlotte up inside that thing.
- Never once do you think she's not going to.
- Never once, no, the goons are throwing lighter fluid
over it and Kelly or Katie is flicking that lighter like there's no tomorrow
finally her friend Amanda has to step in and say -no -not really gonna do this

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-Amanda's been trying to get her to stop the only thing that got her to stop was
the appearance of Angela -yeah no the her friend Amanda is trying to tell her to
stop -the only reason she didn't light it up was because she couldn't get the
lighter to work -right and then all of a sudden Angela appears on the outskirts
of where this bonfire is laid and scares the hell out of the goon squad.

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In some very fucked up condition.
-In a very, yes, she's torn most of her hair out and she has grown calls over her eyeballs
where she doesn't look like she can see anything.
-Yeah, it looks like her eyes are sewn shut.
-She looks messed up.
-Yeah, her mouth's fucked up, it looks like her eyes are sewn shut and she's got no hair.
-And she's got no hair.

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So what does she do?
Well, now Charlotte is cornered inside the bonfire and here comes her mother or isn't her mother Angela by this point
I think we pretty much figured out this is not her mother
-No -I mean some movies would have made it a lot more ambiguous. This one does not at this point
We're pretty sure what I don't know what the hell that is, but it's not human -and it was all done practically -all practical efffects

(33:40):
-That was all practical. Yep. So all you horror nerds out there can't complain. They use CGI to ruin the movie
-Yeah, I think they only used CGI in like two places and one of them was the hand down the throat.
-Changeling Angela stalks up on the unlit bonfire and finds her way into it and
proceeds to hug and coax and...
-Yeah, she sweet talks Char a bit.

(34:01):
-Sweet talk her daughter Charlotte into...she's saying things like, "You have no family left here. You have nothing left here.
Why don't you just come with me? I can show you a place where there's no pain."
- Well, she's also talking about
your mom would like to see you again.
Wouldn't you like to see your mom?
And like gonna take her to her mom.

(34:23):
- And take her to the land of fairy
where who knows what could go on.
- Now the question is, do you think it was working
or do you think that was a ploy?
- Do you think Char was getting suckered into it?
I think at the moment she was kind of hopeless.
At the moment she--
- She was definitely helpless once she gave her a hug.
-Yeah, so I mean I think maybe Charlotte was a little bit enamored with the idea of giving up, but that changed when Suzanne made her heroic reappearance with the hairspray flamethrower.

(34:56):
-So you think Char just finally gave in and Suzanne snapped her out of it?
-Maybe.
-Fair enough. That's kind of where I was leaning.
But anyway, yeah, so she throws a hairspray in and yeah, and this makes Angela change back to normal
-Yeah, she she pushes the fake Charlotte away. She points the flamethrower at her. It's not a real flamethrower

(35:16):
It's hairspray when -she pushes the fake Angela away
-She pushes the fake angel away and fake Angela turns back into regular Angela. She says oh Charlotte. You can't hurt me
I'm your mother you couldn't hurt your mother would could you? -you are not my mother
-Angela looks her dead in the eye and says you are not my mother blasts her with the flamethrower and

(35:37):
Sets her on fire fake Angela starts crawling on the walls setting them on fire and Charlotte escapes just in time -as she lays there
With Suzanne just kind of holding her as she watches not her mom
But her as she watches her mom burn
-Yeah
And there's a visual callback at the end as the as the flames rise up the camera rises up into the air to watch the embers

(36:02):
Just as it did when the fire was burning around the baby at the very beginning of the movie
But it doesn't end there. So don't worry. -It doesn't yet end there
We get to see Aaron
Uncle Aaron out of the hospital and he's having the cops explain to him that his mother is dead and his sister is missing child
And family services are going to be called they didn't find anything in the bonfire where Angela was last seen so no corpse

(36:24):
But then who should knock on the door -Angela -Angela herself knocks on the door and comes into the house
And she's a little worse for wear
She looks like she's been sleeping under a bush for the past week or so
But she's there and she's her normal depressed sad self -is she? -well she looked like it to me
She she looked kind of confused and where what's going on?

(36:45):
Where have I been where am I that kind of confusion?
but because of the whole
mythology behind the different creatures and everything that confusion would make sense for her at the moment of just coming out of it -indeed it
Would either way she's back so the family isn't as torn apart as the cops had said it was now

(37:06):
It's just the grandmother is gone
Which is sad but Angela's still alive Aaron still alive
Charlotte still alive -and they're not staying in the house that grandma died in -they're not staying there
Delaneys are pulling up stakes and moving. -Yes. -And Charlotte is making balls of
ivy and twigs like her grandmother did for protection. -And they did leave a few

(37:27):
kind of ambiguous things. -I don't know if they were that ambiguous. -Well okay what's Angela's
story? Is she better now or is she still fucked up? With this movie being so much
about mental health and everything and like bipolar, dementia, all those things
there's ups and downs there's times when there's very lucid and then there's not

(37:51):
-that's the thing I was going to say is we don't really we didn't see enough of
Angela's cycles of stability and instability to know if what we're seeing
where Angela looks she looks better at the end of the movie -yeah -when they're
moving but we don't know enough about I don't think we got enough information
about her from the movie itself to know if she's better or if she's just feeling

(38:16):
better -yeah exactly -we can't really say but we do know they're getting a new
start somewhere else -which I guess is better if you start somewhere where
people don't just go missing as evidenced by the missing posters all
over the nice little village -yeah that would be good so there's a lot to unpack
in this movie -oh yeah there there there's a lot to unpack - to me watching

(38:40):
the movie I would like to start with Rita the grandmother now Rita is the
no nonsense, this is what we do, this is how I know how to deal with this, do as I say
and we'll get through this.
Now she struck me as a woman with old knowledge, knowledge that has been passed down from generation
to generation in villages, in towns all across Ireland as to what to be afraid of and how

(39:05):
to deal with those things when they show up.
She makes these balls of twigs and ivy that apparently was based on Irish folk remedies
and Wicca and she has these things to deal with the fae when they show up
Angela isn't really in the movie that much because Angela's fell apart a long
time ago and Charlotte is the girl who is just trying to put all the pieces

(39:27):
together and survive and Charlotte to me represents for anyone out there who
watches Rick and Morty she represents to me something Summer on Rick and Morty
said in one of the episodes of the show Summer's mother says to Summer is like
Yes, honey. I was traumatized that happens
Unfortunately, your generation is never going to know what that's like and Summer says bitch we get traumatized for breakfast

(39:50):
That is that is Charlotte's generation
That is the generation that is growing up now
But anyway with the three generations of Irish women present on the screen
We're presented with a rich story with rich characters who deal with this problem in different ways thoughts Grim Weed
-um, well, I was just just thinking about

(40:10):
Other than the scene with the grandmother at the hospital, is there a scene without Char in it?
-I am not sure. I think I know there in that seen in the hospital.
-Oh no, there's when Suzanne's in the kitchen.
-There you go.
-But I think for the most part, every scene has Char in it.
And it seems to be a recurring thing,

(40:32):
because May, we only had one or two quick glimpses of anything that wasn't around May.
Bubba Ho-tep, we only had, I think, the one instance with Ella Joyce outside,
but it's becoming a recurring thing that we've, we pretty much follow one character
throughout the entire thing with very little outside stories. I mean, Fifth Element was all

(40:57):
over the place. -yeah. no, Hazel Doupe as charlotte delaney, she is in most of the movie and she
carries the picture on her shoulders and she does a fine job of it.
-Yes, she does a brilliant job.
-A young actress who hopefully will get much more work as her career blossoms.
No, we like movies with interesting protagonists who carry their films.

(41:21):
Grim, that's, I'm a huge fan of May, you're a huge fan of May as well.
And this movie we chose as a kind of continuation of themes explored in May, outsider and loneliness.
-Yeah, there's definitely an outsider aspect and there's a mental health aspect to it.

(41:43):
Just like there's a mental health aspect to May.
-Oh, very much.
-And it's about motherhood for Mother's Day.
-Happy Mother's Day out there.
-Isn't this a great Mother's Day movie?
-It certainly is. We were going to go with Carrie, but we...no we pick this instead.
-Yeah, I mean Carrie, Psycho.

(42:04):
-Friday the 13th part one.
-Yeah.
-We could have gone with those.
-There's so many we could have dealt with that it just seemed like we needed to do something a little different.
And we've done a lot of older things. We need we needed to get a little bit more recent.
-Get something new in here. Yeah. And this is pretty this is the newest movie we've done so far.
- Yeah, what did you think of it, just overall?

(42:28):
- Well, the slow burn was a little bit slow for me.
And to be honest, I was expecting it to be
a little more ambiguous as far as, is she a changeling,
is she not a changeling?
But she shoves her hand down her own throat
pretty early on in the film, and it doesn't really,
after that, you the viewer are pretty much convinced
as I was, so at that point--

(42:49):
- It does make it pretty obvious
there's something more going on.
-Yeah, at that point, you have to wonder, maybe she was fine with having a changeling mother.
Maybe she was like, that's why she started to untie her because it's like, at least this, maybe this mom will stick up for me or something.
But changeling Angela did knock down the bully who was going to burn her.
-Yeah, I mean, up until after she untied her, the only thing that she had, the only evidence she had that there was something weird was the hand down the throat.

(43:18):
And then it was late at night in the dark.
She had kind of just woke up.
Did she really just see what she thinks she saw?
-Possibly.
Yeah.
And like I said, it might've been a trick of the eye.
-And there was a lot of trauma anyway, just from the years that she's had growing up.
Because if I remember right, um, her mom, I think, cause they, they said something about

(43:42):
the mom was a young mom, but if I remember right, she was supposed to have been about
the same age as Char in this movie when she had her.
So she was still like a teenager.
So she was just, she was twice as old as Char is.
- And Irish women did not get pleasant treatment
for being unwed mothers.
- Especially in nice little villages.

(44:03):
- So it would not have been an easy life
Angela was forced to live.
- No.
When I watched this, like I said,
just because of the family history and everything.
Yeah, it did hit a little closer
than it did for you apparently.
But it took me a while just because when I watched it, I just kind of had to sit
there and in silence and just kind of take in what I just watched.

(44:25):
I luckily I was alone because if I wasn't, then it would have been awkward trying
to figure out what to say because I couldn't think of anything to say.
-I think the emotional fever pitch of the movie is the scene where Angela
changeling Angela tries to make.
Char dance with her.
And I think that does go back to the stories

(44:46):
you have about Faye who will dance till their feet bleed.
- Yeah, and that sprain, that's a painful sprain.
I've done that.
That is a painful sprain.
- And she just sort of laughed while it happened.
- Yeah, but yeah, there's a lot of just going back and forth
between the happy moments and the flashbacks
and then just the horrible moments,

(45:06):
either right before or right after.
But just that back and forth like that,
Yeah, for somebody that's had to deal with people
like that, that's not the right way to put it,
someone that has experience with people
that have those kinds of issues,
I could easily see people really being triggered by this.
I wasn't 100% sure because I tried to avoid

(45:31):
any real descriptions of the movie
when I was looking for something
for the Mother's Day episode.
I just saw something about motherhood and folklore
and was like, okay, what about this?
And then saw that it fit some of our other
little theme requirements that we had from May.
It's like, yeah, okay, that'll work.

(45:52):
And then I watched it and since I hadn't really looked
at anything as far as reviews or description,
I had to have somebody else watch it
to see did I just imagine that?
because I didn't want this to be,
okay, that's what I think it is,
now let's sit here and record,
and I'm telling you, yeah, this is what's going on,

(46:13):
and you're like, I've read every description I could find,
I've found interviews with directors,
I watched the movie,
and I had gotten none of that shit that you're saying.
What the hell movie did you watch?
So I had somebody watch it to verify,
but who I could have watched it to verify,
Their experience is a little bit more on that bipolar side

(46:35):
where they would get more violent.
So before even saying anything to them,
I had to really think, is this going to trigger them?
Do I even say something to,
it took me five hours just to get up the nerve to say,
can you watch this and tell me what message you get from it?
And I couldn't give them any advance warning
'cause I didn't wanna taint their impression of it in any way.

(46:58):
So I was sending someone in blind knowing it could very easily trigger them.
-How macabre of you, Grim?
My gosh, you could have, that person, you could have ruined their day.
-Oh yeah, they texted me a couple of times talking about how much they hate me.
-Oh, did they?
-And they had to, they had to watch this movie in chunks.
They couldn't just sit through it.
-Uh, well, it was nice of them to suffer through it for you to help you out.

(47:20):
-Yeah.
It's nice to have friends that you know you can torture and they'll come back for more.
[Laughter]
That's a horrible thing to say.
-It is a very horrible thing to say and if they're listening to this they know exactly what I mean.
-On the other hand, do you think it kind of, do you think the movie by having Angela in her most psychotic state actually be not Angela but be portrayed by a, in a way it's Angela being portrayed by a supernatural character.

(47:50):
that in any way you think lessen the blow of the fact that this is supposed to be mag depressive
disorder put on screen or is it just really just all the I think it's all the same. -I think it's a
way that just like movies have for years and horror movies especially have been a commentary
on society. And there's so many ways where zombies or vampires or whatever is a commentary on

(48:19):
something completely different than anything that you would associate with zombies or vampires.
And that doesn't necessarily mean that you're saying, no, don't take it the same way because
it's a zombie or a vampire.
I think it's just a way to kind of take you out of reality for a moment while still letting

(48:42):
you experience that same emotion.
So in a way I could say maybe like a therapeutic type, you can experience the emotion outside of it being reality.
-It's a cathartic version for you to...
-Yeah, I could see how it could be like that.
-Like if this were a John Cassavetes movie or something, then that would have been a stark naked portrayal of man in depression for all to see,

(49:09):
you know, and for everyone to dig their fingers into and digest however they have to.
But because this was a horror movie, they at least were able to put it behind this slim shield of, well, this is a fantasy version of the circumstances.
-Yeah, it and it's not, it's not done in a way like exploitative or anything like that. It's done in a serious manner. I mean, everything is done.

(49:34):
- There's not any humor in this movie.
- Yeah, you're not gonna be laughing very often.
I think it's also an interesting way
if you think about history
and just the way things have been explained away,
the myths that have been created by natural things
that at the time nobody knew about.

(49:55):
And it just makes you wonder
if maybe some of those mythological creatures
like the changelings or whatever,
maybe somebody did have like a head injury or something
and came home and was different.
Or they had some kind of, like a dementia
or something like that, or bipolar,
and that, like, something like that,

(50:15):
could that be the origins for some of that stuff?
- It very well could be.
Of course, we'll never know
because we can't go back in time and diagnose anyone,
but who knows how long bipolar disorder
and manic depressive have been around,
haunting the mental states of human beings.
- They've definitely been around much longer
than the actual diagnosis of it has been.

(50:36):
But anyway.
- I don't really know what else to say about the movie,
to be honest.
It's a-- - It's heavy.
- It's a heavy little can of worms.
And there is humor in it.
It's just, the jokes are few and far between.
And they're a little dark.
- Yeah.
You do see Char smile a few times, so that's nice.

(50:57):
It's not all gloom for her.
but even those times, it's kind of fleeting.
- And that is one of the joys of folklore
is that you can just pull so many great stories out of it.
And they pulled a great story out of folklore
with this movie.
And it's good to see that folklore of different kinds
is coming back, like with Slavic folklore,

(51:19):
we have the Troll Hunter movies
and the other one that came out a few, I think in 20,
it might've been the last year, it was just called Troll.
- Well, this movie is, by every rating I've seen,
this movie's up there with Babadook.
- There you go.
- Which, another folklore.
- Another folklore movie.
Folklore is ripe territory for horror films.

(51:40):
I mean, if it weren't for folklore,
we wouldn't have had vampires or werewolves,
and it's high time that people started digging deeper
into the old stories to find.
- Yeah, and again, vampires, werewolves,
both things that are easily explained by nature
that they didn't know anything about at the time.
- What, you mean like vampires having porphyria

(52:00):
or something?
- Well, how like they would go and they'd look at the bodies
and see like the blood around the mouths
and all that stuff.
Just all the different things.
- The nails have grown because the skin's pulled away.
- Yeah, so just the different things
that they didn't know anything about.
So they explained it away as one thing.
- As vampires.

(52:21):
- So again, it just makes me think
if mental issues weren't the explanation
for some of these other things.
- Fun fact about vampires out there, everybody.
- They're not real.
- Yeah, they're not real, yeah.
- So yeah, this movie, it is,
it's really hard to talk about.
- It is.
- I think the topics it covers

(52:42):
are topics that should be talked about,
but the movie itself, because of that,
it's a heavy movie and it's hard to talk about.
-It's a very dark portrayal of mental instability in the home
and how it fractures the home.
Dealing with a family member who has severe mental illness
is not something to be joked about.

(53:02):
It can tear families apart, it can tear lives apart,
and it can take years to put anything back together
resembling normalcy, if there ever is a chance of normalcy.
- I think especially at that age, it's a huge issue.
And in a small town like that,
a nice little village.
- Northern Dublin.

(53:22):
- In a little small place like that,
I could see how it would be even rougher
because just the stigma behind mental illnesses already
and like every time the teacher would try to talk to Char,
it was like, yo, no, everything's fine.
And just the stigma behind everything
made it to where she didn't feel like

(53:44):
she could talk about it,
which if you have something going on like that,
talk about it.
- If you can.
- Find somebody you can talk to and talk about it.
- but yes, like Grim said, talk about it
if you need to find somebody who'll listen.
- Yeah, I mean, if you're in school
and a teacher shows concern
and is asking if everything's okay,

(54:05):
if things aren't okay, don't be scared to say
they're not okay.
- And on that happy note.
- I can ruin movies, I can ruin TV shows,
and I can bring the mood down, can't I?
- The movie does that.
It's not a happy movie.
It's not a fun... - No.
- But it's not a movie you watch for the sheer fun of it,

(54:25):
but it is a interesting movie that is worth watching
for the experience of it. - Yeah, I mentioned
when I had my friend watch as I mentioned,
I'm thinking we might do that for Mother's Day,
and she's like, "Well, I guess it fits Mother's Day,
in the sense that there's a mom in it.
But that's not a Mother's Day movie."

(54:46):
- No, it's not.
Well, it kind of is.
I mean, there's a mother-daughter reunion.
- This is a trigger movie.
- Yeah, to which I am immune.
Except, no, I did watch "Hereditary"
and that freaked me out.
- I wouldn't say immune.
I would say not exposed.
- Sure.
- You've not been exposed to that yet.
- The horror is on its way.

(55:08):
But on that happy note-- - Hopefully she's a nice one.
- What?
- Oh, you said horror, huh?
I thought you said the whore.
I sid the horror. For god get your mind out of the gutter grim -i'm trying to think of something else other than
this movie it -there are many things -it just brings everything down -there are many things i will do
for a good time but that is not one of them sir let's just be very clear about that what would

(55:32):
you change about the movie -oh man -i would have made it a little more ambiguous -i don't know if
I would necessarily say make it more ambiguous, but I think the hand down the throat I can
understand the reason behind it, but I don't think I would have made it to where it was
as visible.
So you could still see she's making herself throw up, but it's you can't see how far in

(55:56):
she's putting her hand to where there's still some kind of ambiguity in that.
-Either way, this was by the way, for a first feature by a filmmaker, this was amazing.
by the way. - Yes.
- I would just like to say that.
- This was a phenomenal movie.
- Especially for a first feature.
It's really a startlingly well done movie.
And it was made on a pretty slim budget

(56:19):
from what I can tell.
- Yeah, I don't remember exactly what the budget was,
but I remember it being low.
But yeah, this was way more than what I expected.
- If you like May, check this one out.
-I don't necessarily know if there's anything

(56:39):
I would really change other than that one thing.
- All he would change is that he wouldn't have watched it
because he's traumatized him. - Well, no, I don't regret
watching it, and this is one of those movies
that it is really hard to watch
if that kind of stuff sets you off,
but I have found that the more I've watched it,
the easier it is to deal with,

(57:00):
and the more I get out of the individual scenes
because it's almost like I'm desensitizing myself enough to it
to where I can pick up on a lot of the other stuff.
So it's a heavy movie that you actually aren't afraid to rewatch.
-It's got layers going on here, people.
-Yes.
There's much onion aspect to it.

(57:23):
-And if you got Hulu, you ought to just check it out and see what you think.
And then maybe you could comment on one of our podcasts and tell us,
you know, you guys are idiots.
You guys are idiots.
I mean this movie was so so awesome and you guys didn't do it a bit of justice and we'll be like, we're sorry
We're so sorry. -I thought we were praising it, but -I thought we were too, but I don't know
I know -and let us know what your what your favorite scene is

(57:46):
Yeah, but -there's quite a few good scenes, -but the train is coming to a stop
And it's time to say goodbye here in the movie car
We hope everyone out there in podcast land was able to get a little bit of new
Appreciation for the movie we talked about just now or maybe -You are not my mother you just leanred about the movie
You are not my mother as it was called. Thanks to everyone who listened and downloaded. Thank you very much to

(58:08):
Kate Dolan for making the movie and she spent years ushering this to the screen and
There's no way it could have happened without her. -That's for sure. -Yeah. Thanks to everyone who listened and downloaded
We love all of you and thanks to -and don't forget, like subscribe
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(58:31):
-Yeah in the comments. Let us know what your favorite scene of the movie is. -Mm-hmm and be good to each other out there
We're all stuck together in this crazy train and we're all we have in here and we -don't forget in the description
There's like always though. There be some some links this one probably only be a link probably to this movie on Hulu
But also there's email and Twitter and and all that in there

(58:56):
if you have any suggestions for movies for us or just want to say hi.
-We're desperate people, just say something. We can't, we're talking to any of you here.
-Let us know you exist.
-Yeah.
-We're all alone in these little recording rooms. All we have is each other over the internet.
We need some friends. We don't want to be isolated and become like May or Char.

(59:19):
-Bye for now folks. Thank you.
Goodbye.
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