January 28, 2024 • 39 mins
Dive into riveting tales and raw realities of U.S prison life in this captivating episode of "Stranger Fruit Podcast". Explore the fierce prison hierarchies, racial tensions, challenging survival strategies, and the legacy of revolutionary figures like George Jackson. Understand the controversial role of prison guards and the cold political dynamics within prison walls. This episode is your window to witness the daunting world of correctional facilities in the United States.
Get absorbed in earnest conversations around the harassment of minorities, links to extremist groups, stereotypes post 9/11, and the growing voice of the younger generation in advocating prison reform. With a mix of personal anecdotes and shared experiences, this episode takes you on a virtual tour inside the prison world.
Discover the complexities of parole hearings, the intense psychological evaluations involved, and listen to hosts' personal struggles in overcoming potential triggers post-release. This episode is an insightful listen for anyone curious about post-prison life and the need for reform in the system.
Experience lighter moments as the hosts delve into their favorite music artists and discuss their preferred canine alter-egos, offering hearty laughs amid profound discussions. Engaging in lively banter, they dive into their political inclinations, talk about their dating experiences, and share amusing anecdotes from their personal lives.
Join us on this episode of the "Stranger Fruit Podcast", rich in content and emotions, offering deep insights, thought-provoking discussions, and a light-hearted look at everyday situations. Get a fresh perspective on U.S prison system, post-release life, and so much more!
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Music.
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If the camera just goes out of commission, then it's our herd studio dog, Cannoli.
Yeah, whenever there's something wrong with the editing, it was Cannoli's fault.
By the way, you know me and DeDante.
This is the gangland landlord. Facts. He's gangland landlord.
I was just playing at first, but he like, you really that guy.
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I heard about you, bro. This is our family member, our strangest fruit family, our loved one, Elliot.
Amazing sound man aka little spielberg yeah
he's little spielberg we have a blast with aka
gangland landlord yeah yeah so
so i got a question for you like if you went into prison or like you went to
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jail like your local county jail like what would you do that you know like ever
since i met you guys i've asked myself that a few times like what do you do
i don't know i literally have no idea i I have no idea what to expect.
So if like, let's say. Are you going to run with the bloods?
You going to run with the homies? You going to. What are you going to do?
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Like I barely like I know what the. When you're in jail, you have like a five
second window to make a decision. That's what I want to know.
What are you going to do? Doors open, people come. You have a five second window.
You got there's who you running with boy. Yeah.
Five seconds. Who do you want me to run with? Oh, that's rich.
That's rich. Let's go before that. Let's go before that.
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So let's say you're out there running around in the streets of Manhattan Beach.
You know how thug it is over there. Oh, yeah.
Fucking this little situation happens. Something goes down. One of your friends is with you.
Somebody gets shot. You know, a little shoot never hurt nobody.
So, you know, you guys get locked up. You didn't do the shooting,
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but you see the shooting your boy, you know, it happened.
He did the shooting me my friend Yo friend shot somebody y'all going to the
interrogation thing and they ask you Did you see the shooting?
What do you say? Stay strong.
It really depends on the friend Get hold on hold now. So it depends on the frame what you mean?
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I like it. Well, like am I gonna because I mean it comes down,
I'm risky if it's a good friend you don't tell on them if it's a friend that
you're like I don't really fucking know you you tell them they're just an associate,
yeah kind of I mean like it also depends on like I mean like yeah you guys are
going to jail for 20 years like unless one of you guys tells us what happened
oh okay shit you don't give a fuck who it is you tell them,
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I'll solve every crime just like this the shit happened they go in there they
send you down in there they tell you look Look, little Spill,
we know that's your gang name.
We know you're the gang man landlord. Your friend, he shot somebody.
Now, if you don't fucking tell us, because we got the gun, if you don't,
you got to do the neck thing, if you don't fucking tell us. Then I'm going with them.
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Matter of fact, they come in here like this. They come in here, they come in here.
Hold on, hold on. Watch the door. Watch the door. I'll be right back.
They're coming in like this. They come in there.
Okay. Can we see the door? so hey johnny we got a weapon we got the knife so
you're switchblade elliot huh oh yeah so you're your friend stuck this guy the
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guy's fucking dead here's the murder weapon i thought it was a shooting officer
listen here don't fucking question me,
all right there we go all right i love the rebellion love the rebellion see
this baton see this dick see how that that feet now y'all see now we want to
be a tough guy Have you not met Ruben Palomaris?
Listen, in my head, in my head, I would be very mean to a cop.
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All right. So they got the thing. They're doing all this. And I look,
all you got to do is tell on this dude and you go home.
What are you going to do? Or you can go through this whole thing. Yeah.
Because, yeah, I mean, really, it.
It depends on the friend yeah on the
friend it depends on the friend see that's that's here
goes the contradictory with us people nowadays
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perfectly squeaky clean kid will
still make the decision to lie but will
still make the decision to ride did i tell my friend not
to bring the gun and shit you know yeah i would have told my friend can you
not with the fucking gun and he would have done it anyway so yeah you know what fuck
him he could go to jail hey can we acknowledge the versace shades shades
real quick from the beautiful anybody gonna talk
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about the versace shades they're really like they were yeah
no they're real i know you could tell like yes lord
we need to go ask where they came from god
would you look at god so true or false what when i when i met didante uh in
corcoran level four prison we became really close and became sellies for three
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years no why not you You said no, like that couldn't happen. Why not?
Well, because I know how you guys met. I heard your story. You didn't hear it all?
Well... He didn't tell you that part. Wait. No, because I remember...
I feel like you guys would have mentioned that. So that's a false?
We've mentioned it. It's in the storylines. You haven't watched?
Yeah, I've watched it. All of them? You guys were cellies?
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No, it's a true or false. I'm going to confiscate that hat from you,
that Strangest Fruit hat right now. Straight up.
No, were we? True or false? False. I'm going to say false. Okay.
He stood by it. Okay. Okay. All right.
That wouldn't have been possible. Yeah. That's a, yeah. I was also thinking that too.
So if you, if you, let's say you went to jail right now, we were in prison or
something and they tried to put you in a cell with a black, would you?
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I would be fine with it but like I know that in prison there's a lot of like politics about that.
I'd be fine with that though juvenile beat up by multiple white assailants,
for going in a cell with African American yeah see that's what I'm thinking
exactly so I'd be like yeah I probably shouldn't cause no I shouldn't but no
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but like literally I shouldn't or I'll fucking,
get killed by some other white people see that's
you like your level of
reacting to extremes is so fucking time delay it's
like swallowing a a capsule of tylenol yeah because
i don't like it is not going to kick till 30 minutes later you're
supposed to be like hell no i'm not going in there i wouldn't survive in prison
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it's yeah no you you would survive i would everybody
survives no if yes everybody
survives if they're waking up every day that's survival
yeah but no matter where they are they're surviving well like
like people are aren't people getting killed in there like every fucking day
i mean those are some of the people that aren't surviving yeah
that's what i'm saying i'd feel like it's not like you first so what
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reason what would get you woke because of you know my like
i'd be someone be like who you run with i'd be like oh i don't
fucking know and they just beat me up and i die no no you'll get
you'll get informed and all right so ask us some questions that
you've seen because i know you're a tiktoker ask us some questions that you've
seen from the social medias and youtubers and shit where you know you've seen
on matter of fact go ahead and look at your phone just scroll through some shit
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and you know look i'm sorry i'm not on prison tiktok it's prison yes you are
no i'm literally yes you are your name is colt 45 it's good all the time.
You gotta know who that is That's Billy Dee Williams It's good all the time
That's an old Code 45 commercial What do you want me to scroll through?
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I don't have any prison apps on my phone You got prison apps I don't have any prison social media,
Your stuff is fast Lightning speed What is a question that you had Or have ever
wondered About prison I know you've learned a lot being here Not even about
prison is and it's more i know it kind of applies to prison but it's more in general i know what the,
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crypts and the i know that there's a like there's a
gang called the crypts and the bloods but like i thought that gangs
are like associated with certain areas but i
feel like those are mentioned everywhere like oh meaning
you're not in that certain area is it or are they
you don't you're not in a certain area once you leave that area you stop becoming
that like you carry that area with you no no
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no i mean like so are the crypts of the blood specific to a
certain area no well not anymore yeah
that's been because they expanded and they grew and they grew and they continue
to grow and now they're everywhere if you're a viral moment the the crypts and
the bloods are now just like basically just like so big that they're everywhere
is there like someone that's still at the top of each of them? Omerta.
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Omerta. That's an Italian word, Mr. Italy. Yeah.
Look up Omerta. Google O-M-E-R-T-A. Omerta.
No other YouTube channel with the exception of a few will you get that response right there.
Cool. What does it mean? Let's read. I can't read that. Yes,
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you can. It's on the fucking internet. We just said Omerta.
You look it up. You look it up. Look it up, Brian. That's right.
No, he learns late. He's a quick learner. He's a quick learner.
Would you like to be my Gigliani?
Hey, that was one of my favorite books to win there.
What? That was one of my favorite books. Which one? Which one?
Oh, it's a book? It's a book.
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I learned about it in Godfather. I'll be honest with you. If there is such a
person and that such a person is high up there like that, I don't want to know who it is.
No, yeah. I'm not even asking. And I wouldn't even want to meet him.
No, I don't want to meet him. I don't want no associations.
I would just like asking. how many years did that cost you in the shoe yeah
yeah yeah how many i'm telling
you how many years you've been back here just being associated with people
like that what do you mean like it would put you in the shoe yeah it could
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get you validated as a gang associate get you
locked away like we were talking earlier i was in there for nine years for
that not for a write-up not for anything i did i didn't
because you were associated no rules violation because conspiracy to
be associated with a known just a conspiracy can hold you but like so that's
why language is so important with someone yeah it's just like it's so that book
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that book that you're reading george jackson yeah if they were to go inside
your cell and find that book yeah do you know how many points would he get.
We'll be fine. You're going to the hole. Well, me, yeah.
That's what we were talking about earlier. Like that book right there in prison
for everybody, every culture, they attribute certain things to gang affiliation in the Mexican culture.
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It's like calendars. It's different shields.
It's different animals. And they say that's a gang association.
That's a point. And they could put you in the hole for that.
For the black population, any George Jackson, blood on my eye,
the solid dad brothers has to do a revolutionary warfare.
They're gone knowledge of it they're gone you're going to
the hole especially george jackson there's a lot
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of hatred from cdcr yo the dude
that just got out rochelle mcgee the longest held political prisoner in
the united states so he's he's on the streets he's free out yeah he's out i've
heard you mention them he's the longest political health prisoner in the united
states when you're like 52 years or something yeah he's a number yeah he did
like 52 him and all those dudes were together and one of the things that he
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told he had told me he was like you know knowledge to get you killed in here.
That's the biggest threat that you can ever pose to these people in this establishment.
You know, you got to really look at these dudes changed the format of the system.
And I posted him a CO that I know from another prison in Lancaster.
This is how I say you got to watch. The feds be watching. A CO that's working in a whole other prison.
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I don't follow you. You don't follow me. Motherfucker, it's been since 2016 since I seen you.
They've been lurking on the page, trolling. And he's like, yeah,
that dude killed the judge and a prison guard.
On your page he came and commented on in a prison like
you're it's your job to keep everything safely
and secured yeah and he said he went to the parole board and said he didn't
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do it it's your job that's it your job doesn't act outside of anything of that
i know it's tough as hell to be able to to somebody that's accused of doing
something to one of your colleagues but remember it is and i learned this from
from from a person a good person it's just business,
you're in you're part of a business you can't take this shit personal it comes
with the territory exactly.
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So they took it personal. They went crazy. And it's just, it was,
but these dudes fought for dudes to have TVs, visitation rights,
to be paid what little that we are getting paid in there right now.
Yeah. You know, they did some shit, so.
But the worst thing always in prison that, like, kept everybody stagnant for
so long, that lost so many lives, was it exists only in California. It's the racial wars.
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Yeah. It's just like, I mean, look, we had them in my generation.
Generation we had them in this generation but it was
ugly like they were butchering each other
like some of those stories yeah it was it
was but in california it's always it's loosened up
big time like we play sports together now we play.
Basketball we play play in ironwood we're
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playing baseball we're playing basketball and only and only everybody
loves it man like and only in california where
you find dudes that's from the valley that's from south central
la watts low beach and all these these places you know california
prison system is the only place where a guy from the
hood can say yeah i've been around nazis yeah think
about that it's 2023 you can go out
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and you ever had a friend that was either a nazi
or like a former nazi or someone i don't
do that yeah yeah it's her shit that i just won't do i like like
i don't want to look at that shit on you yeah i don't
want to see that i don't want to see no lightning bolts i don't want to see none of
that you know know what i'm saying like it's some crips that don't want to be around me because
the tattoos that i got it just does something to you
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you know what i'm saying and this deeper than gang this is
racial like yeah this your gang tie yeah
is to because i wouldn't looked it up and
i was like why i was like what what identifies these dudes and it
goes known enemies and right there known enemies it says it says
any and all minority groups oh wait
hold on yeah the bomb just exploded the bomb
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just exploded bro it's not even that a bomb exploded it's
that like these are like distinctions that are being recognized by like the
prison guard and the facility the prison guards like the facility what do you
mean like they're the ones that wrote that but I mean like are these like social
distinctions or are these like being enforced and like being.
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Upheld by like the prison system the only like the guards guards open the doors
yeah and the inmates run the rest everything after that that's all they do okay
okay yeah it's it's like like when i say it's a well lubed machine you let it
work but then who's saying okay if you're associated with this guy you go to the shoot,
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Oh, those are obviously the guards. Yeah. Yeah, it's an IGI.
Yeah, they have a task force. They have a gang unit. They have tactical units
that come and do raids at four in the morning.
They have people that specifically study languages like black.
I saw his cell get rushed one time at six o'clock, right on the dot at six o'clock.
They rushed him and they dragged him out, took him to the hole early in the morning.
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The doors pop like 20 cops. We could just hear the keys.
Everybody knows. Anybody that's ever been in prison already knows what time
it is. And then you got to look, oh, you forgot about the other most hated group in prison.
It's not a gang. It's a religion. Which one?
Muslims. The most hated. By the cops and all. By the cops. The most hated and all.
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I did see a lot of, I did see a lot of. They drug me out before.
They drug me out before, stripped me down, butt naked, took pictures and asked
me, are you involved with any extremist Muslim movements?
Any terrorist groups? groups. Are they still like fucking scared about 9-11? It's not even that.
It's before that, bro. They were doing this before 9-11? Bro,
do you understand what the... I was born like, I was like one when 9-11...
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Alright, America, so a world. So we're trying to give him an assignment.
So what I want you to do, I want you to go home tonight. I want you to watch the story of Malcolm X.
Denzel Washington played Malcolm X. And that'll give you an inkling of that.
Look at Denzel Washington, Malcolm X story, and you'll see.
Did he get an Oscar for that one? No, the only thing he ever won an award for
was when he did Training Day.
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I just remember him and Morris Blackman. How they used to walk.
Remember? Yeah, with the zoot suits. Yeah.
He got all whacked out of that heroin. My favorite question in the world was
when he was in Linwood taking some B-roll for us and he texted Deontay and asked
if he should be wearing red.
Oh, yeah. Why did you ask that? Would you wear a red striped shirt?
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Yeah, sure I'd wear a red striped shirt, or freddy cougar whoa let's clear
up the story i wasn't in linwood then i was
editing and frankie told a story about the
time that he was in compton and his buddy said
hey you should be watch out you're wearing red stripes and i was like oh oh
red stripes in the adidas i thought he meant like a red stripe like no no so
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i was wondering oh is that like because i i mean i just i know that colors are
a thing. I just didn't know the specifics.
I was like, oh, I guess it's like, are you not supposed to wear red and confident? I don't know.
That's why I was like. No, it's not like that anymore. It hasn't been like that
for like decades. But it was like that? It was like that. Okay.
Colors will get you killed. Yeah.
Colors are certain things. Rabbit foots, money bags. Yeah. You know what I mean?
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Wearing stuff on the wrong side. Right.
Certain things signify, you know, signify, show things. Like right now,
I had a dude get at me about the Strangest Fruit design. No. Yeah.
I had a dude get at me, one of my boys. What do you mean? It was smooth, matter of fact.
I'm like, man, check out our design. You know what I'm saying?
Good, good. Look, you know, he from Grape Street.
He hit me back like, oh, come on, Mafia. Remember the last dude said that too,
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the one we were talking about?
Yeah, he said, come on. What, you explain the history? Yeah,
yeah. Yeah, he's like, what do you mean? Come on, Mafia, Grape Street, what? Maybe, maybe no.
There's a neighborhood called Grape Street. you got a hat
where it's like but it's once i explained it to him he was like all right yeah
absolutely there's zero disrespect towards the great
street see like when i hear the stories that involve like just
anyone being careful about the colors that they were that's so insane to me
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because i that's like something that's so i've never even thought you you never
thought like that or you never thought outside the box of colors or what these
mean because if you look at if somebody walked in here right now with a white
cape on their head what's the first thing you're Well, of course I would think that.
No, but I mean more like in the sense of like, it's never been a thing where
it's like, oh, I'm not to like, if I'm wearing this colored shirt.
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Like, you know, and I'm going to school over here. Did you say this color cape?
Sure. Oh, okay. I was going to say, my gosh. Well, I thought you slipped, you know?
No, if I'm wearing this colored shirt, never go to school here.
Like that can mean something. That could like.
You want to join a gang? Because we could make you one. If you want,
anytime you want. You could be a hybrid.
You could be a blood, I'm saying one. I don't want to join a gang.
Half the day, you'll be half the week. You'll be what?
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Everybody else doing it. Why not? Why would I want to?
Straight up. And we go put you on a podcast.
Strangers. We are not a gang. Don't do it. We don't even. Yeah.
What the hell is wrong with you, dude? Cut it out.
Sorry. Cut. In other words, the 50. I am not gang gang. I do not gang.
So what, what made you sign on a strangers fruit podcast and say like,
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yo, I want to be involved in this. Like what the hell? so Bennett.
Just asked me shout out benicio yeah he's
coming back but yeah he
asked me oh you know he's been like like i knew him
he was helping me get work and he said oh do you want to come help on
this podcast yeah sure and you know i was there and then it
was like the first it was the day we shot the first two exact day
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one yeah with the with zach and xavier and
i was just like i don't know i was just like whoa
like these like i had no idea what the podcast was about i just like came in
completely blind i was like oh shit like you guys were just like telling these
like crazy fucking stories and just like saying just like i don't know just
shit that i was already like on i was already like huge on prison reform and
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shit so i was like oh this is like a really cool.
Like podcast like for that and like
also the stories that you guys tell are just like you guys
told like i felt like i was like sitting back and like watching a movie the
way you guys like told the stories of like you guys like on the yard when
there was like everyone was like like watching and you guys like took care of the dog or
something yeah like dude like the way you guys like told
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that story was like dude i felt like i was like watching a fucking movie and
i was just like texting bennett like after where i was
like when's that episode coming out because i kept telling people like i
want to show them this and then and then like right before san
francisco trip i was like what's going
on with the show like you know like i want to be on that's the goal i always
wanted i wanted to know like does the younger generation like like check out
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this type of stuff and you like you young i yeah the younger generation is the
stamp right there the younger at least i think the younger generation wants very like chat like.
Status quo challenging stuff i think they do
and i think that this is like does that
and i i think you guys are great at doing that
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like because you guys are just like like not only just because it's not
only just because oh you guys are like two like ex cons it's because
you guys are like also also really good at interviewing and telling stories too
like you guys like are so good at the hey we always talk about
that too like we've had a lot of conversations before like
how not to sound cocky or anything but
it comes natural because we had to do that like when you're out on a yard you
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like i told you in the beginning like you have like five seconds to make a
decision you know yeah he's seen me in those situations i've seen him in those
situations as many times you got to like yeah you have to i think i learned
there's no learning curve joker has put me in position when he joker was like
all right you know i'm saying don't go take on the mac chairman spot,
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everybody know don't take the head spot yeah that spot come with some some tricky
shit go read the title 15 if y'all want to know about the tricky shit everybody
had that spot yeah yeah yeah and then you know so he's like take the spot that's
lower but the reason why i was like i don't want want to do this shit.
Like, I don't want to do this. Like, you want me to go up here and speak for
behalf of a community that don't give a fuck about me or what I got going on?
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I'm close to the house and I got to go up here and speak to these people. He said, it's not that.
If you're not going to do it, who is and who can we trust as the population?
So they have a chair and they have a MACREP thing, Men's Advisory Council. Okay.
And, you know, it's the different group. They're the liaison between the inmates and the cops.
Right. Okay. And it has a very bad title held on it because a lot of dudes,
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you know, they bend the rules and they sit up there and they talk to the police
a lot and sometimes they say some shit that they're not supposed to say.
They become comfortable saying shit that they're not supposed to say.
So the inmate population wants a group of dudes to be up there that draw the line.
So they have separate offices they're not in the same rooms or
some dudes they won't even leave out of their building that's like this is this this
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this debt yeah so my homie would
send me here i'm gonna send you up in here and you go i trust
you to do this so it's a very trusting because it's dangerous whoa because
if word gets back that this was said that this was said yeah you could die yeah
i didn't want that shit but he said you have the ability to speak so i'm speaking
in front of the warden the assistant warden the uh community resource manager
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and we have to go in here and And basically debate with these people about programs.
Yeah. Like we want this programs.
The community is saying this. A lot of times, if you don't know what you're
saying or what you're talking about, you can't quote certain penal code or books or shit like that.
Yeah. They're going to laugh at you. And they're going to say,
if it's not in black and white, we don't give a fuck. You sound silly.
Yeah. So you have to go in there and really just, it's finesse.
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You know, it's finesse, but then you have to back it up with fact.
Yeah. It's not a game. And then if you go in there and deliver this message
out here, and it's something that the people don't want, you got to go back in there.
And the first person that they come for when shit goes down on the yard it could
be a riot happening on a whole nother yard we don't know what the fuck is going
on yeah but they're going to go to those dudes hey you're the speaker you're
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the speaker all right we're going to take all y'all.
Yeah well okay you broke your word yeah like
we thought you guys want to have peace and here's more violence like
it's it's like all the way like that but it's yeah that's another reason why
i say i don't give a fuck about politics and if you're in like an insurance
business you're always moving so in the place it's the most hostile environment
in the world there's so much drama in every single corner and you're just always
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like just moving around it like you're about to get caught in a trap you know.
Yeah, I don't know. It's just like, what's the point? The only way to survive,
my way of surviving, where I figured out finally when I had to get to Ironwood,
but to go to my groups, to go to my work, and to work out. Just my triangle.
I don't loiter. I don't go. If I'm out there in traffic, I'm in the yard,
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I'm moving straight to my next spot. He has the blessing.
He's intelligent. He reads a lot, but he had to practice for the parole board.
Do you know how hard it is to sit in front of DA, an ex-warden,
and all these people and they're asking you the same question but different type
of ways you got to be like that's why when you seen big romey
romey here the other day he was like i put my hands right here yeah
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any little you know and i sat
in front of a psychologist for four and a half hours yeah and they asked you
the weirdest shit in the world like they asked like they want to trigger you
yeah they want to see you break a sweat they want to see that impulse reaction
which is like why though like what the fuck is even the point of that i mean
it's understandable I mean, the part, like, going through the parole process,
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I get that. I understand that part. Yeah, absolutely.
Look, all right, so let's ask you this. If somebody killed me right now and
went to prison for the next five years, and they kill somebody,
people that kill people, there's something psychologically wrong up top.
For you to kill somebody over some type of property or anything is off top.
Wouldn't you want that person to be cleared as mentally sane before being put
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back into your community? Sure, but is it necessary to, like,
Like you would not have wanted to met me 12 years ago.
I promise. Yeah, I understand that. But is it necessary?
Do you think that like that kind of like putting you on this like pedestal and
like pushing at your brain?
Yeah, they're tampered with every trigger you have, because if you can't handle
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yourself in this kind of contained situation, what's going to happen in the
street when those triggers happen? The bills come and the kids come and the girls.
And it's up to us to go to the class to learn our triggers and our mechanisms.
Like me, mine, for instance, is financial problems. Yeah.
My old triggers are, if shit's going bad, I'm just going to go on a robbery.
It's nothing. Yeah. It's absolutely, it's 15 seconds and I got the money. Yeah.
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You know what I'm saying? But now I have to fight those triggers.
Like, don't do it. No matter how hard the times get, don't you fall back in.
And he said something one time.
He said, the moment I fuck up sends me back to what year? 19?
Yeah, 94. 1994. The moment he fucks up, it resets the...
And then that trigger might cause everything else to just snowfall. Or I just did a robbery.
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One more ain't going to hurt. You know? And trip out of this.
One time, my boy, right before I paroled, this dude from Monrovia, Spooky.
Good dude, man. He did like 20 years. He got out. he did
three years and he got busted again he started using
and it was some kind of situation but before he used
to every day he goes i'm gonna walk with you around the track and he used
to always say where my whole relapse everything
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started because i was in traffic one day and i
looked back there were no cops i jumped into the gutter lane
and just gunned it he goes it sounds small but that
was the first time that i disregarded the law and
i just did what i wanted to do he's like two days later you
know i was taking something that wasn't mine like
it opened a door i always stuck
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with that like even the small things if you you know yeah i can okay i guess
i'm yeah so i guess there's parts i'm just so like i'm just so overall skeptical
of the current like justice system that i don't even trust when they do something
right i'm just like you know and then on a lighter note it's not as big for
you because you you live in a i love that i love I love that you live in a different bubble.
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And what is your opinion of Donald Trump?
I mean, I don't like him. Why not? I mean, I don't like most Republicans.
Why don't you like Republicans?
I think that, I think it's a, I view it as just a lesser of both evils. Do you vote?
Yeah. Okay. And I vote Democrat pretty much every time. And I just view it as a lesser of both evils.
If Biden and Obama went against each other right now, who would you vote for?
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Honestly, if Biden and Obama went against each other right now,
probably obama why because he's black hey that's why because earlier we're asking
him we're asking his top his top five rappers who are your top five oh yeah.
Ain't no fucking way yeah yeah yeah ain't no fucking way jack you motherfucker
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asher off yeah asher Oh, and Lil Dicky.
No, for real? No. We were buzzing. What's your top five?
Right now, the people who I'm listening to the most are West Side Gun,
JPEG Mafia, and Danny Brown.
I've been on a weird Drake kick just for fun. No, there's no shame in that.
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Yeah. Everybody loves Drake. Yeah.
No shame in that. The first thing I see and he goes, you know,
Drake's coming out next week.
First thing he told me. Well, because you were talking about Drake.
Oh, come on. Don't try to turn the tables on me. Oh, don't try to.
Oh, yeah. He's so stupid as hell. One of his songs came up. Yeah.
So it's five. So those are your five people. How many of those artists are white?
None. I heard the one dude you have me playing.
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I ain't really. It's good. But I'm going to say his name. dang,
shit, we might have him on here one day. You know, shit. The only dude I've
ever played for you, I think, was West Side Gun.
Who's your top five? I don't know about no West Side Guns. Top five right now.
My top five, boy, stop playing with me, boy. Stop playing with me, silly ass boy.
Of course, you know, you got to, if we're going to go with just pure talent,
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nasty, creative, mad scientist, Kendrick Lamar off top.
Who are your top five? Kendrick Lamar. It's a murder every time that boy touch something.
If you want to go with some new, just raunchy, just, but the boy got talent
and he makes some excellent, whoever giving him his beats is cool as hell, Key Glock.
Oh, yeah, yeah. Key Glock, boy. I've heard some of this stuff.
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I'm not really up on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen to the whole, listen to, what is it?
Glockoma. That's it. Listen to that Glockoma album. That thing dope.
That's two. Huh? That's two. That's two. If we want to go old school, hands down Tupac.
Stop playing. we want to go east coast y'all
might this is a hard one because there's so many good east coast rappers but
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one that i can say is heavily underrated but i heard him in a freestyle with
most def dmx uh what's the boy name those are haters it was him most def dmx.
But the person, big pun. The Punisher? Punisher had... Whoa!
I'm talking about...
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That boy got pattern flow and he was a G. That's five?
No, that's... Oh, damn you. That's four. You did all those? I got one more,
one more. And then, let's see.
Up and coming right now, new rappers?
Well, to me, we'll probably be new rappers. Shit.
Give me a few Give me a few Like new rappers I've been listening to.
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What's the boy Keelan For real for real He got the song on the radio I like
that Yeah Keelan for real for real Something like that Yeah I've been hearing
him That's fine for you You don't know about Nine of them way You never heard
I mean I've heard Big Pun And I've heard of Tupac
What is the Big Pun That she was like Most played song That you heard on the
radio I don't think I've ever Heard a Big Pun song.
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No i don't think what about tupac tupac songs what's the tupac song like,
name a tupac song bro are you serious uh
you don't know a tupac song i know yeah no because here's the thing i'm like
so uneducated on 90s yeah if you were to be a dog what type of dog would you
be because rowdy rich said i'm a big dog you're a puppy what kind of dog would
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you be What kind of dog? What kind of dog?
It'd be a funny ass wiener dog. It'd be a street dog too. You can tell.
Yeah. Wild hair and all that. What about you? You could be a dog.
I get this from that one dude. Man, you ever just... Ain't no love like a dog
love. What's that country ass dude that be on a...
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He had a YG on there. He was like, man, you heard about dudes taking those gas station pills?
He said, that shit makes my legs sweat, man. The gas station pills.
I'm going to be a Malinois. You want to be a Malinois? I want a good life.
Who thinks Brian is Malinois material?
We are not Malinois. M-A-L-I-O. That's my dog. That's my spirit.
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That's what you want to be, a Malinois?
Choose your nickname right now. Yeah, I like Bob. I don't like that.
You got to choose a nickname. You got to figure out what would your nickname
be. I like Young Spiel. I think that one's very daring.
Because he be... You're spilling it, man. You feel me?
Yeah, that's Young Spielberg. We call him Young Spielberg. All right.
But also Gangland Lord's funny.
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Oh, Gangland Landlord? It's funny. Mozzy going to be on you.
That's your copywriting. Stop saying that. No, but I paid for the sweatshirt.
I got all the merch, Mozzy. All right, Mozzy. Mozzarella fella,
if you want to smoke with me, got to holler at me. Yeah, yeah.
That's my young right there.
You can sign him, though. Hey, if they converted you into a rap artist,
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you'd be a dope-ass rap artist.
You'd be a dope-ass rap artist. For real. But you can't look like that when
you blush. You gotta, yeah, bro, you know, I know I'll be a dope-ass artist.
You gotta be like that sometimes.
You know what I'm saying? Like, get you a bust down. Yeah, but that's the thing.
I don't wanna, like, be, like, that guy who has a past of, like,
not being, like, rapper at all, and then, like, all this time is, like, a rapper.
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That's every rapper right now.
How many of these rappers have you been rapping for over four years and say
they can no these dudes it's not even that it's like that they've been rapping
for over four years it's like oh all of a sudden your whole personality changed,
we're not saying change your personality either way it's entertainment so it's
no we're gonna dress up the exterior you're gonna be like the next Lil Pump.
Oh great I would love to be the next Lil Pump L.A.
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Gang L.A. Gang L.A. Gang L.A. Gang you know what I'm saying yeah dude what a
great I would love to be him the kid Leroy how old are you oh I'd love to be
him how old are you right now 23 23 what is your what is your what is your idea
and perspective on kids dude yeah,
I think that at least... You have seven kids, right?
Yeah. Okay. So I think that... He pumping them out every six months.
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At least... What are their names? What are their names?
Underdeveloped. What are their names, by the way, of your seven kids?
You just... Johnny, James... Fucking jackass. Johnny, James, Jesse. The five Js.
Jaleel. My boy picking the whitest... Jaleel?
Your baby mama black? Yeah. Jaleel? And that could be J-Miles,
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right? I was just thinking of J-Miles.
We adopted. We adopted. We adopted. So have you ever tried to pick up a black woman?
Have you ever dated a black woman? No, but I haven't dated many women.
Do you feel like, are you attracted to black women? Yeah.
Would you ever date one? Of course. Why haven't you ever approached one?
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Honestly, I just never matched with one on Tinder. What is it about the black
woman that you like? Do you swipe left on one?
No, I said not swipe right. I'm black. Okay. So what is it about you?
I swipe right. I'm black.
What do you mean? What is it about you? I mean, everybody, there's all these,
you know, I just would like to know, like, is the voluptuousness?
No, I just think that women are hot. The walk of the, the what?
No, I just think women are hot. I can see his heart beating. Out of his chest.
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You know, but ladies, he's taken. But I'm just, I'm just saying,
if you were single, I would hook you up with so many sisters.
You know what I'm saying? I appreciate that. Hook you up with so many. Do you like Latinas too?
Yeah. I think a Latina might be too much for you, bro. That's too much spice
in your life, baby boy. Okay. Yeah, saute your little ass.
All right. I mean, I am dating an Italian, so...
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See this is how you get your ass in trouble what don't you can't do that no
I'm not comparing no you can't do that though do what he do he put he tried
to I said Latina and he put an Italia in Latina no,
you have every Mexican woman from here to Ecuador after your ass that is called Spaniard,
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or European no I know I wasn't saying that
because of the Latina well why did you say that because you
were because we were talking about the just like there was no
parallel a little what do you mean we were talking we're trying to bring
people together yeah we're trying to bring them together by communities
and all that like we were talking about the nationalities of
we were talking about the nationalities of different women i
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said well i'm dating an italian woman an italian woman
how is that great she's is she from here she's from
italy she's so how is that great did you say grapes great oh so so like she's
not from here how was it for her like adjusting to being over here are you like
her chaperone like you have a teacher oh no no no we were in our second years
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of yeah we were in our second years of college you talk like a politician,
no he's amazing no yeah you see how you just i asked him a question.
That's just because i stutter you know no that's that's
i try not to do that but so she's not
from here yeah hmm that's kind
of why did how did you meet her in italy no no
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she was going to school in chicago and i was also going
to school you stood you got going to school in chicago how was
that did you why do i not know why do i
not know this about i told you you was out there drilling i was out there you
was out there sliding on the ops yeah dude yeah dude all the way wicker park
yeah what was you listening to what music was like what's your favorite chicago
like rapper you listen to little dirt i don't i haven't honestly heard much
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little dirt but i i should like i'm like like who,
Who's the creator of drill music? Oh, Chief Keef. But I know that from you. You know that from me.
If Tekashi6 and I walked in here right now, what should we do?
I would just start laughing.
What should me and DeDante do? I ain't doing shit, first off. I don't know nothing.
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He walking here, I'm going to try to get me a million out of his ass.
What should you do? I don't know.
Do you know the situation? What should I do? What do you mean?
Yeah. Yeah. Hey, on a serious note, though, we always have fun. We always clown.
You're a great sport, but we love you. You're a great part of the family,
and we appreciate you. I appreciate you guys letting me onto this.
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I have so much fun every time I come to one of these.
I'm about to devolve into a ball of tears right now. No, for real.
Go for it. He's going to hug the fuck out of you after this.
I'm going to carry you like a newborn. Just walk right in.
Walking in circles? All right.
So this was Stranger Fruit Podcast, and this is Elliot, a.k.a. What's your name?
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Young Spiel. Young Spiel, a.k.a. Gangland Landlord. Gangland Landlord.
And that's Free Bliss, Brian James. We'll catch y'all later.
Holler back. We got to go.
Music.
Music.
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If the camera just goes out of commission, then it's our herd studio dog, Cannoli.
Yeah, whenever there's something wrong with the editing, it was Cannoli's fault.
By the way, you know me and DeDante.
This is the gangland landlord. Facts. He's gangland landlord.
I was just playing at first, but he like, you really that guy.
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I heard about you, bro. This is our family member, our strangest fruit family, our loved one, Elliot.
Amazing sound man aka little spielberg yeah
he's little spielberg we have a blast with aka
gangland landlord yeah yeah so
so i got a question for you like if you went into prison or like you went to
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jail like your local county jail like what would you do that you know like ever
since i met you guys i've asked myself that a few times like what do you do
i don't know i literally have no idea i I have no idea what to expect.
So if like, let's say. Are you going to run with the bloods?
You going to run with the homies? You going to. What are you going to do?
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Like I barely like I know what the. When you're in jail, you have like a five
second window to make a decision. That's what I want to know.
What are you going to do? Doors open, people come. You have a five second window.
You got there's who you running with boy. Yeah.
Five seconds. Who do you want me to run with? Oh, that's rich.
That's rich. Let's go before that. Let's go before that.
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So let's say you're out there running around in the streets of Manhattan Beach.
You know how thug it is over there. Oh, yeah.
Fucking this little situation happens. Something goes down. One of your friends is with you.
Somebody gets shot. You know, a little shoot never hurt nobody.
So, you know, you guys get locked up. You didn't do the shooting,
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but you see the shooting your boy, you know, it happened.
He did the shooting me my friend Yo friend shot somebody y'all going to the
interrogation thing and they ask you Did you see the shooting?
What do you say? Stay strong.
It really depends on the friend Get hold on hold now. So it depends on the frame what you mean?
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I like it. Well, like am I gonna because I mean it comes down,
I'm risky if it's a good friend you don't tell on them if it's a friend that
you're like I don't really fucking know you you tell them they're just an associate,
yeah kind of I mean like it also depends on like I mean like yeah you guys are
going to jail for 20 years like unless one of you guys tells us what happened
oh okay shit you don't give a fuck who it is you tell them,
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I'll solve every crime just like this the shit happened they go in there they
send you down in there they tell you look Look, little Spill,
we know that's your gang name.
We know you're the gang man landlord. Your friend, he shot somebody.
Now, if you don't fucking tell us, because we got the gun, if you don't,
you got to do the neck thing, if you don't fucking tell us. Then I'm going with them.
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Matter of fact, they come in here like this. They come in here, they come in here.
Hold on, hold on. Watch the door. Watch the door. I'll be right back.
They're coming in like this. They come in there.
Okay. Can we see the door? so hey johnny we got a weapon we got the knife so
you're switchblade elliot huh oh yeah so you're your friend stuck this guy the
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guy's fucking dead here's the murder weapon i thought it was a shooting officer
listen here don't fucking question me,
all right there we go all right i love the rebellion love the rebellion see
this baton see this dick see how that that feet now y'all see now we want to
be a tough guy Have you not met Ruben Palomaris?
Listen, in my head, in my head, I would be very mean to a cop.
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All right. So they got the thing. They're doing all this. And I look,
all you got to do is tell on this dude and you go home.
What are you going to do? Or you can go through this whole thing. Yeah.
Because, yeah, I mean, really, it.
It depends on the friend yeah on the
friend it depends on the friend see that's that's here
goes the contradictory with us people nowadays
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perfectly squeaky clean kid will
still make the decision to lie but will
still make the decision to ride did i tell my friend not
to bring the gun and shit you know yeah i would have told my friend can you
not with the fucking gun and he would have done it anyway so yeah you know what fuck
him he could go to jail hey can we acknowledge the versace shades shades
real quick from the beautiful anybody gonna talk
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about the versace shades they're really like they were yeah
no they're real i know you could tell like yes lord
we need to go ask where they came from god
would you look at god so true or false what when i when i met didante uh in
corcoran level four prison we became really close and became sellies for three
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years no why not you You said no, like that couldn't happen. Why not?
Well, because I know how you guys met. I heard your story. You didn't hear it all?
Well... He didn't tell you that part. Wait. No, because I remember...
I feel like you guys would have mentioned that. So that's a false?
We've mentioned it. It's in the storylines. You haven't watched?
Yeah, I've watched it. All of them? You guys were cellies?
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No, it's a true or false. I'm going to confiscate that hat from you,
that Strangest Fruit hat right now. Straight up.
No, were we? True or false? False. I'm going to say false. Okay.
He stood by it. Okay. Okay. All right.
That wouldn't have been possible. Yeah. That's a, yeah. I was also thinking that too.
So if you, if you, let's say you went to jail right now, we were in prison or
something and they tried to put you in a cell with a black, would you?
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I would be fine with it but like I know that in prison there's a lot of like politics about that.
I'd be fine with that though juvenile beat up by multiple white assailants,
for going in a cell with African American yeah see that's what I'm thinking
exactly so I'd be like yeah I probably shouldn't cause no I shouldn't but no
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but like literally I shouldn't or I'll fucking,
get killed by some other white people see that's
you like your level of
reacting to extremes is so fucking time delay it's
like swallowing a a capsule of tylenol yeah because
i don't like it is not going to kick till 30 minutes later you're
supposed to be like hell no i'm not going in there i wouldn't survive in prison
(06:45):
it's yeah no you you would survive i would everybody
survives no if yes everybody
survives if they're waking up every day that's survival
yeah but no matter where they are they're surviving well like
like people are aren't people getting killed in there like every fucking day
i mean those are some of the people that aren't surviving yeah
that's what i'm saying i'd feel like it's not like you first so what
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reason what would get you woke because of you know my like
i'd be someone be like who you run with i'd be like oh i don't
fucking know and they just beat me up and i die no no you'll get
you'll get informed and all right so ask us some questions that
you've seen because i know you're a tiktoker ask us some questions that you've
seen from the social medias and youtubers and shit where you know you've seen
on matter of fact go ahead and look at your phone just scroll through some shit
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and you know look i'm sorry i'm not on prison tiktok it's prison yes you are
no i'm literally yes you are your name is colt 45 it's good all the time.
You gotta know who that is That's Billy Dee Williams It's good all the time
That's an old Code 45 commercial What do you want me to scroll through?
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I don't have any prison apps on my phone You got prison apps I don't have any prison social media,
Your stuff is fast Lightning speed What is a question that you had Or have ever
wondered About prison I know you've learned a lot being here Not even about
prison is and it's more i know it kind of applies to prison but it's more in general i know what the,
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crypts and the i know that there's a like there's a
gang called the crypts and the bloods but like i thought that gangs
are like associated with certain areas but i
feel like those are mentioned everywhere like oh meaning
you're not in that certain area is it or are they
you don't you're not in a certain area once you leave that area you stop becoming
that like you carry that area with you no no
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no i mean like so are the crypts of the blood specific to a
certain area no well not anymore yeah
that's been because they expanded and they grew and they grew and they continue
to grow and now they're everywhere if you're a viral moment the the crypts and
the bloods are now just like basically just like so big that they're everywhere
is there like someone that's still at the top of each of them? Omerta.
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Omerta. That's an Italian word, Mr. Italy. Yeah.
Look up Omerta. Google O-M-E-R-T-A. Omerta.
No other YouTube channel with the exception of a few will you get that response right there.
Cool. What does it mean? Let's read. I can't read that. Yes,
(09:20):
you can. It's on the fucking internet. We just said Omerta.
You look it up. You look it up. Look it up, Brian. That's right.
No, he learns late. He's a quick learner. He's a quick learner.
Would you like to be my Gigliani?
Hey, that was one of my favorite books to win there.
What? That was one of my favorite books. Which one? Which one?
Oh, it's a book? It's a book.
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I learned about it in Godfather. I'll be honest with you. If there is such a
person and that such a person is high up there like that, I don't want to know who it is.
No, yeah. I'm not even asking. And I wouldn't even want to meet him.
No, I don't want to meet him. I don't want no associations.
I would just like asking. how many years did that cost you in the shoe yeah
yeah yeah how many i'm telling
you how many years you've been back here just being associated with people
like that what do you mean like it would put you in the shoe yeah it could
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get you validated as a gang associate get you
locked away like we were talking earlier i was in there for nine years for
that not for a write-up not for anything i did i didn't
because you were associated no rules violation because conspiracy to
be associated with a known just a conspiracy can hold you but like so that's
why language is so important with someone yeah it's just like it's so that book
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that book that you're reading george jackson yeah if they were to go inside
your cell and find that book yeah do you know how many points would he get.
We'll be fine. You're going to the hole. Well, me, yeah.
That's what we were talking about earlier. Like that book right there in prison
for everybody, every culture, they attribute certain things to gang affiliation in the Mexican culture.
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It's like calendars. It's different shields.
It's different animals. And they say that's a gang association.
That's a point. And they could put you in the hole for that.
For the black population, any George Jackson, blood on my eye,
the solid dad brothers has to do a revolutionary warfare.
They're gone knowledge of it they're gone you're going to
the hole especially george jackson there's a lot
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of hatred from cdcr yo the dude
that just got out rochelle mcgee the longest held political prisoner in
the united states so he's he's on the streets he's free out yeah he's out i've
heard you mention them he's the longest political health prisoner in the united
states when you're like 52 years or something yeah he's a number yeah he did
like 52 him and all those dudes were together and one of the things that he
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told he had told me he was like you know knowledge to get you killed in here.
That's the biggest threat that you can ever pose to these people in this establishment.
You know, you got to really look at these dudes changed the format of the system.
And I posted him a CO that I know from another prison in Lancaster.
This is how I say you got to watch. The feds be watching. A CO that's working in a whole other prison.
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I don't follow you. You don't follow me. Motherfucker, it's been since 2016 since I seen you.
They've been lurking on the page, trolling. And he's like, yeah,
that dude killed the judge and a prison guard.
On your page he came and commented on in a prison like
you're it's your job to keep everything safely
and secured yeah and he said he went to the parole board and said he didn't
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do it it's your job that's it your job doesn't act outside of anything of that
i know it's tough as hell to be able to to somebody that's accused of doing
something to one of your colleagues but remember it is and i learned this from
from from a person a good person it's just business,
you're in you're part of a business you can't take this shit personal it comes
with the territory exactly.
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So they took it personal. They went crazy. And it's just, it was,
but these dudes fought for dudes to have TVs, visitation rights,
to be paid what little that we are getting paid in there right now.
Yeah. You know, they did some shit, so.
But the worst thing always in prison that, like, kept everybody stagnant for
so long, that lost so many lives, was it exists only in California. It's the racial wars.
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Yeah. It's just like, I mean, look, we had them in my generation.
Generation we had them in this generation but it was
ugly like they were butchering each other
like some of those stories yeah it was it
was but in california it's always it's loosened up
big time like we play sports together now we play.
Basketball we play play in ironwood we're
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playing baseball we're playing basketball and only and only everybody
loves it man like and only in california where
you find dudes that's from the valley that's from south central
la watts low beach and all these these places you know california
prison system is the only place where a guy from the
hood can say yeah i've been around nazis yeah think
about that it's 2023 you can go out
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and you ever had a friend that was either a nazi
or like a former nazi or someone i don't
do that yeah yeah it's her shit that i just won't do i like like
i don't want to look at that shit on you yeah i don't
want to see that i don't want to see no lightning bolts i don't want to see none of
that you know know what i'm saying like it's some crips that don't want to be around me because
the tattoos that i got it just does something to you
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you know what i'm saying and this deeper than gang this is
racial like yeah this your gang tie yeah
is to because i wouldn't looked it up and
i was like why i was like what what identifies these dudes and it
goes known enemies and right there known enemies it says it says
any and all minority groups oh wait
hold on yeah the bomb just exploded the bomb
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just exploded bro it's not even that a bomb exploded it's
that like these are like distinctions that are being recognized by like the
prison guard and the facility the prison guards like the facility what do you
mean like they're the ones that wrote that but I mean like are these like social
distinctions or are these like being enforced and like being.
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Upheld by like the prison system the only like the guards guards open the doors
yeah and the inmates run the rest everything after that that's all they do okay
okay yeah it's it's like like when i say it's a well lubed machine you let it
work but then who's saying okay if you're associated with this guy you go to the shoot,
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Oh, those are obviously the guards. Yeah. Yeah, it's an IGI.
Yeah, they have a task force. They have a gang unit. They have tactical units
that come and do raids at four in the morning.
They have people that specifically study languages like black.
I saw his cell get rushed one time at six o'clock, right on the dot at six o'clock.
They rushed him and they dragged him out, took him to the hole early in the morning.
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The doors pop like 20 cops. We could just hear the keys.
Everybody knows. Anybody that's ever been in prison already knows what time
it is. And then you got to look, oh, you forgot about the other most hated group in prison.
It's not a gang. It's a religion. Which one?
Muslims. The most hated. By the cops and all. By the cops. The most hated and all.
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I did see a lot of, I did see a lot of. They drug me out before.
They drug me out before, stripped me down, butt naked, took pictures and asked
me, are you involved with any extremist Muslim movements?
Any terrorist groups? groups. Are they still like fucking scared about 9-11? It's not even that.
It's before that, bro. They were doing this before 9-11? Bro,
do you understand what the... I was born like, I was like one when 9-11...
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Alright, America, so a world. So we're trying to give him an assignment.
So what I want you to do, I want you to go home tonight. I want you to watch the story of Malcolm X.
Denzel Washington played Malcolm X. And that'll give you an inkling of that.
Look at Denzel Washington, Malcolm X story, and you'll see.
Did he get an Oscar for that one? No, the only thing he ever won an award for
was when he did Training Day.
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I just remember him and Morris Blackman. How they used to walk.
Remember? Yeah, with the zoot suits. Yeah.
He got all whacked out of that heroin. My favorite question in the world was
when he was in Linwood taking some B-roll for us and he texted Deontay and asked
if he should be wearing red.
Oh, yeah. Why did you ask that? Would you wear a red striped shirt?
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Yeah, sure I'd wear a red striped shirt, or freddy cougar whoa let's clear
up the story i wasn't in linwood then i was
editing and frankie told a story about the
time that he was in compton and his buddy said
hey you should be watch out you're wearing red stripes and i was like oh oh
red stripes in the adidas i thought he meant like a red stripe like no no so
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i was wondering oh is that like because i i mean i just i know that colors are
a thing. I just didn't know the specifics.
I was like, oh, I guess it's like, are you not supposed to wear red and confident? I don't know.
That's why I was like. No, it's not like that anymore. It hasn't been like that
for like decades. But it was like that? It was like that. Okay.
Colors will get you killed. Yeah.
Colors are certain things. Rabbit foots, money bags. Yeah. You know what I mean?
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Wearing stuff on the wrong side. Right.
Certain things signify, you know, signify, show things. Like right now,
I had a dude get at me about the Strangest Fruit design. No. Yeah.
I had a dude get at me, one of my boys. What do you mean? It was smooth, matter of fact.
I'm like, man, check out our design. You know what I'm saying?
Good, good. Look, you know, he from Grape Street.
He hit me back like, oh, come on, Mafia. Remember the last dude said that too,
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the one we were talking about?
Yeah, he said, come on. What, you explain the history? Yeah,
yeah. Yeah, he's like, what do you mean? Come on, Mafia, Grape Street, what? Maybe, maybe no.
There's a neighborhood called Grape Street. you got a hat
where it's like but it's once i explained it to him he was like all right yeah
absolutely there's zero disrespect towards the great
street see like when i hear the stories that involve like just
anyone being careful about the colors that they were that's so insane to me
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because i that's like something that's so i've never even thought you you never
thought like that or you never thought outside the box of colors or what these
mean because if you look at if somebody walked in here right now with a white
cape on their head what's the first thing you're Well, of course I would think that.
No, but I mean more like in the sense of like, it's never been a thing where
it's like, oh, I'm not to like, if I'm wearing this colored shirt.
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Like, you know, and I'm going to school over here. Did you say this color cape?
Sure. Oh, okay. I was going to say, my gosh. Well, I thought you slipped, you know?
No, if I'm wearing this colored shirt, never go to school here.
Like that can mean something. That could like.
You want to join a gang? Because we could make you one. If you want,
anytime you want. You could be a hybrid.
You could be a blood, I'm saying one. I don't want to join a gang.
Half the day, you'll be half the week. You'll be what?
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Everybody else doing it. Why not? Why would I want to?
Straight up. And we go put you on a podcast.
Strangers. We are not a gang. Don't do it. We don't even. Yeah.
What the hell is wrong with you, dude? Cut it out.
Sorry. Cut. In other words, the 50. I am not gang gang. I do not gang.
So what, what made you sign on a strangers fruit podcast and say like,
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yo, I want to be involved in this. Like what the hell? so Bennett.
Just asked me shout out benicio yeah he's
coming back but yeah he
asked me oh you know he's been like like i knew him
he was helping me get work and he said oh do you want to come help on
this podcast yeah sure and you know i was there and then it
was like the first it was the day we shot the first two exact day
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one yeah with the with zach and xavier and
i was just like i don't know i was just like whoa
like these like i had no idea what the podcast was about i just like came in
completely blind i was like oh shit like you guys were just like telling these
like crazy fucking stories and just like saying just like i don't know just
shit that i was already like on i was already like huge on prison reform and
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shit so i was like oh this is like a really cool.
Like podcast like for that and like
also the stories that you guys tell are just like you guys
told like i felt like i was like sitting back and like watching a movie the
way you guys like told the stories of like you guys like on the yard when
there was like everyone was like like watching and you guys like took care of the dog or
something yeah like dude like the way you guys like told
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that story was like dude i felt like i was like watching a fucking movie and
i was just like texting bennett like after where i was
like when's that episode coming out because i kept telling people like i
want to show them this and then and then like right before san
francisco trip i was like what's going
on with the show like you know like i want to be on that's the goal i always
wanted i wanted to know like does the younger generation like like check out
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this type of stuff and you like you young i yeah the younger generation is the
stamp right there the younger at least i think the younger generation wants very like chat like.
Status quo challenging stuff i think they do
and i think that this is like does that
and i i think you guys are great at doing that
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like because you guys are just like like not only just because it's not
only just because oh you guys are like two like ex cons it's because
you guys are like also also really good at interviewing and telling stories too
like you guys like are so good at the hey we always talk about
that too like we've had a lot of conversations before like
how not to sound cocky or anything but
it comes natural because we had to do that like when you're out on a yard you
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like i told you in the beginning like you have like five seconds to make a
decision you know yeah he's seen me in those situations i've seen him in those
situations as many times you got to like yeah you have to i think i learned
there's no learning curve joker has put me in position when he joker was like
all right you know i'm saying don't go take on the mac chairman spot,
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everybody know don't take the head spot yeah that spot come with some some tricky
shit go read the title 15 if y'all want to know about the tricky shit everybody
had that spot yeah yeah yeah and then you know so he's like take the spot that's
lower but the reason why i was like i don't want want to do this shit.
Like, I don't want to do this. Like, you want me to go up here and speak for
behalf of a community that don't give a fuck about me or what I got going on?
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I'm close to the house and I got to go up here and speak to these people. He said, it's not that.
If you're not going to do it, who is and who can we trust as the population?
So they have a chair and they have a MACREP thing, Men's Advisory Council. Okay.
And, you know, it's the different group. They're the liaison between the inmates and the cops.
Right. Okay. And it has a very bad title held on it because a lot of dudes,
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you know, they bend the rules and they sit up there and they talk to the police
a lot and sometimes they say some shit that they're not supposed to say.
They become comfortable saying shit that they're not supposed to say.
So the inmate population wants a group of dudes to be up there that draw the line.
So they have separate offices they're not in the same rooms or
some dudes they won't even leave out of their building that's like this is this this
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this debt yeah so my homie would
send me here i'm gonna send you up in here and you go i trust
you to do this so it's a very trusting because it's dangerous whoa because
if word gets back that this was said that this was said yeah you could die yeah
i didn't want that shit but he said you have the ability to speak so i'm speaking
in front of the warden the assistant warden the uh community resource manager
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and we have to go in here and And basically debate with these people about programs.
Yeah. Like we want this programs.
The community is saying this. A lot of times, if you don't know what you're
saying or what you're talking about, you can't quote certain penal code or books or shit like that.
Yeah. They're going to laugh at you. And they're going to say,
if it's not in black and white, we don't give a fuck. You sound silly.
Yeah. So you have to go in there and really just, it's finesse.
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You know, it's finesse, but then you have to back it up with fact.
Yeah. It's not a game. And then if you go in there and deliver this message
out here, and it's something that the people don't want, you got to go back in there.
And the first person that they come for when shit goes down on the yard it could
be a riot happening on a whole nother yard we don't know what the fuck is going
on yeah but they're going to go to those dudes hey you're the speaker you're
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the speaker all right we're going to take all y'all.
Yeah well okay you broke your word yeah like
we thought you guys want to have peace and here's more violence like
it's it's like all the way like that but it's yeah that's another reason why
i say i don't give a fuck about politics and if you're in like an insurance
business you're always moving so in the place it's the most hostile environment
in the world there's so much drama in every single corner and you're just always
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like just moving around it like you're about to get caught in a trap you know.
Yeah, I don't know. It's just like, what's the point? The only way to survive,
my way of surviving, where I figured out finally when I had to get to Ironwood,
but to go to my groups, to go to my work, and to work out. Just my triangle.
I don't loiter. I don't go. If I'm out there in traffic, I'm in the yard,
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I'm moving straight to my next spot. He has the blessing.
He's intelligent. He reads a lot, but he had to practice for the parole board.
Do you know how hard it is to sit in front of DA, an ex-warden,
and all these people and they're asking you the same question but different type
of ways you got to be like that's why when you seen big romey
romey here the other day he was like i put my hands right here yeah
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any little you know and i sat
in front of a psychologist for four and a half hours yeah and they asked you
the weirdest shit in the world like they asked like they want to trigger you
yeah they want to see you break a sweat they want to see that impulse reaction
which is like why though like what the fuck is even the point of that i mean
it's understandable I mean, the part, like, going through the parole process,
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I get that. I understand that part. Yeah, absolutely.
Look, all right, so let's ask you this. If somebody killed me right now and
went to prison for the next five years, and they kill somebody,
people that kill people, there's something psychologically wrong up top.
For you to kill somebody over some type of property or anything is off top.
Wouldn't you want that person to be cleared as mentally sane before being put
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back into your community? Sure, but is it necessary to, like,
Like you would not have wanted to met me 12 years ago.
I promise. Yeah, I understand that. But is it necessary?
Do you think that like that kind of like putting you on this like pedestal and
like pushing at your brain?
Yeah, they're tampered with every trigger you have, because if you can't handle
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yourself in this kind of contained situation, what's going to happen in the
street when those triggers happen? The bills come and the kids come and the girls.
And it's up to us to go to the class to learn our triggers and our mechanisms.
Like me, mine, for instance, is financial problems. Yeah.
My old triggers are, if shit's going bad, I'm just going to go on a robbery.
It's nothing. Yeah. It's absolutely, it's 15 seconds and I got the money. Yeah.
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You know what I'm saying? But now I have to fight those triggers.
Like, don't do it. No matter how hard the times get, don't you fall back in.
And he said something one time.
He said, the moment I fuck up sends me back to what year? 19?
Yeah, 94. 1994. The moment he fucks up, it resets the...
And then that trigger might cause everything else to just snowfall. Or I just did a robbery.
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One more ain't going to hurt. You know? And trip out of this.
One time, my boy, right before I paroled, this dude from Monrovia, Spooky.
Good dude, man. He did like 20 years. He got out. he did
three years and he got busted again he started using
and it was some kind of situation but before he used
to every day he goes i'm gonna walk with you around the track and he used
to always say where my whole relapse everything
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started because i was in traffic one day and i
looked back there were no cops i jumped into the gutter lane
and just gunned it he goes it sounds small but that
was the first time that i disregarded the law and
i just did what i wanted to do he's like two days later you
know i was taking something that wasn't mine like
it opened a door i always stuck
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with that like even the small things if you you know yeah i can okay i guess
i'm yeah so i guess there's parts i'm just so like i'm just so overall skeptical
of the current like justice system that i don't even trust when they do something
right i'm just like you know and then on a lighter note it's not as big for
you because you you live in a i love that i love I love that you live in a different bubble.
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And what is your opinion of Donald Trump?
I mean, I don't like him. Why not? I mean, I don't like most Republicans.
Why don't you like Republicans?
I think that, I think it's a, I view it as just a lesser of both evils. Do you vote?
Yeah. Okay. And I vote Democrat pretty much every time. And I just view it as a lesser of both evils.
If Biden and Obama went against each other right now, who would you vote for?
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Honestly, if Biden and Obama went against each other right now,
probably obama why because he's black hey that's why because earlier we're asking
him we're asking his top his top five rappers who are your top five oh yeah.
Ain't no fucking way yeah yeah yeah ain't no fucking way jack you motherfucker
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asher off yeah asher Oh, and Lil Dicky.
No, for real? No. We were buzzing. What's your top five?
Right now, the people who I'm listening to the most are West Side Gun,
JPEG Mafia, and Danny Brown.
I've been on a weird Drake kick just for fun. No, there's no shame in that.
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Yeah. Everybody loves Drake. Yeah.
No shame in that. The first thing I see and he goes, you know,
Drake's coming out next week.
First thing he told me. Well, because you were talking about Drake.
Oh, come on. Don't try to turn the tables on me. Oh, don't try to.
Oh, yeah. He's so stupid as hell. One of his songs came up. Yeah.
So it's five. So those are your five people. How many of those artists are white?
None. I heard the one dude you have me playing.
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I ain't really. It's good. But I'm going to say his name. dang,
shit, we might have him on here one day. You know, shit. The only dude I've
ever played for you, I think, was West Side Gun.
Who's your top five? I don't know about no West Side Guns. Top five right now.
My top five, boy, stop playing with me, boy. Stop playing with me, silly ass boy.
Of course, you know, you got to, if we're going to go with just pure talent,
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nasty, creative, mad scientist, Kendrick Lamar off top.
Who are your top five? Kendrick Lamar. It's a murder every time that boy touch something.
If you want to go with some new, just raunchy, just, but the boy got talent
and he makes some excellent, whoever giving him his beats is cool as hell, Key Glock.
Oh, yeah, yeah. Key Glock, boy. I've heard some of this stuff.
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I'm not really up on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen to the whole, listen to, what is it?
Glockoma. That's it. Listen to that Glockoma album. That thing dope.
That's two. Huh? That's two. That's two. If we want to go old school, hands down Tupac.
Stop playing. we want to go east coast y'all
might this is a hard one because there's so many good east coast rappers but
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one that i can say is heavily underrated but i heard him in a freestyle with
most def dmx uh what's the boy name those are haters it was him most def dmx.
But the person, big pun. The Punisher? Punisher had... Whoa!
I'm talking about...
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That boy got pattern flow and he was a G. That's five?
No, that's... Oh, damn you. That's four. You did all those? I got one more,
one more. And then, let's see.
Up and coming right now, new rappers?
Well, to me, we'll probably be new rappers. Shit.
Give me a few Give me a few Like new rappers I've been listening to.
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What's the boy Keelan For real for real He got the song on the radio I like
that Yeah Keelan for real for real Something like that Yeah I've been hearing
him That's fine for you You don't know about Nine of them way You never heard
I mean I've heard Big Pun And I've heard of Tupac
What is the Big Pun That she was like Most played song That you heard on the
radio I don't think I've ever Heard a Big Pun song.
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No i don't think what about tupac tupac songs what's the tupac song like,
name a tupac song bro are you serious uh
you don't know a tupac song i know yeah no because here's the thing i'm like
so uneducated on 90s yeah if you were to be a dog what type of dog would you
be because rowdy rich said i'm a big dog you're a puppy what kind of dog would
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you be What kind of dog? What kind of dog?
It'd be a funny ass wiener dog. It'd be a street dog too. You can tell.
Yeah. Wild hair and all that. What about you? You could be a dog.
I get this from that one dude. Man, you ever just... Ain't no love like a dog
love. What's that country ass dude that be on a...
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He had a YG on there. He was like, man, you heard about dudes taking those gas station pills?
He said, that shit makes my legs sweat, man. The gas station pills.
I'm going to be a Malinois. You want to be a Malinois? I want a good life.
Who thinks Brian is Malinois material?
We are not Malinois. M-A-L-I-O. That's my dog. That's my spirit.
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That's what you want to be, a Malinois?
Choose your nickname right now. Yeah, I like Bob. I don't like that.
You got to choose a nickname. You got to figure out what would your nickname
be. I like Young Spiel. I think that one's very daring.
Because he be... You're spilling it, man. You feel me?
Yeah, that's Young Spielberg. We call him Young Spielberg. All right.
But also Gangland Lord's funny.
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Oh, Gangland Landlord? It's funny. Mozzy going to be on you.
That's your copywriting. Stop saying that. No, but I paid for the sweatshirt.
I got all the merch, Mozzy. All right, Mozzy. Mozzarella fella,
if you want to smoke with me, got to holler at me. Yeah, yeah.
That's my young right there.
You can sign him, though. Hey, if they converted you into a rap artist,
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you'd be a dope-ass rap artist.
You'd be a dope-ass rap artist. For real. But you can't look like that when
you blush. You gotta, yeah, bro, you know, I know I'll be a dope-ass artist.
You gotta be like that sometimes.
You know what I'm saying? Like, get you a bust down. Yeah, but that's the thing.
I don't wanna, like, be, like, that guy who has a past of, like,
not being, like, rapper at all, and then, like, all this time is, like, a rapper.
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That's every rapper right now.
How many of these rappers have you been rapping for over four years and say
they can no these dudes it's not even that it's like that they've been rapping
for over four years it's like oh all of a sudden your whole personality changed,
we're not saying change your personality either way it's entertainment so it's
no we're gonna dress up the exterior you're gonna be like the next Lil Pump.
Oh great I would love to be the next Lil Pump L.A.
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Gang L.A. Gang L.A. Gang L.A. Gang you know what I'm saying yeah dude what a
great I would love to be him the kid Leroy how old are you oh I'd love to be
him how old are you right now 23 23 what is your what is your what is your idea
and perspective on kids dude yeah,
I think that at least... You have seven kids, right?
Yeah. Okay. So I think that... He pumping them out every six months.
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At least... What are their names? What are their names?
Underdeveloped. What are their names, by the way, of your seven kids?
You just... Johnny, James... Fucking jackass. Johnny, James, Jesse. The five Js.
Jaleel. My boy picking the whitest... Jaleel?
Your baby mama black? Yeah. Jaleel? And that could be J-Miles,
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right? I was just thinking of J-Miles.
We adopted. We adopted. We adopted. So have you ever tried to pick up a black woman?
Have you ever dated a black woman? No, but I haven't dated many women.
Do you feel like, are you attracted to black women? Yeah.
Would you ever date one? Of course. Why haven't you ever approached one?
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Honestly, I just never matched with one on Tinder. What is it about the black
woman that you like? Do you swipe left on one?
No, I said not swipe right. I'm black. Okay. So what is it about you?
I swipe right. I'm black.
What do you mean? What is it about you? I mean, everybody, there's all these,
you know, I just would like to know, like, is the voluptuousness?
No, I just think that women are hot. The walk of the, the what?
No, I just think women are hot. I can see his heart beating. Out of his chest.
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You know, but ladies, he's taken. But I'm just, I'm just saying,
if you were single, I would hook you up with so many sisters.
You know what I'm saying? I appreciate that. Hook you up with so many. Do you like Latinas too?
Yeah. I think a Latina might be too much for you, bro. That's too much spice
in your life, baby boy. Okay. Yeah, saute your little ass.
All right. I mean, I am dating an Italian, so...
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See this is how you get your ass in trouble what don't you can't do that no
I'm not comparing no you can't do that though do what he do he put he tried
to I said Latina and he put an Italia in Latina no,
you have every Mexican woman from here to Ecuador after your ass that is called Spaniard,
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or European no I know I wasn't saying that
because of the Latina well why did you say that because you
were because we were talking about the just like there was no
parallel a little what do you mean we were talking we're trying to bring
people together yeah we're trying to bring them together by communities
and all that like we were talking about the nationalities of
we were talking about the nationalities of different women i
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said well i'm dating an italian woman an italian woman
how is that great she's is she from here she's from
italy she's so how is that great did you say grapes great oh so so like she's
not from here how was it for her like adjusting to being over here are you like
her chaperone like you have a teacher oh no no no we were in our second years
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of yeah we were in our second years of college you talk like a politician,
no he's amazing no yeah you see how you just i asked him a question.
That's just because i stutter you know no that's that's
i try not to do that but so she's not
from here yeah hmm that's kind
of why did how did you meet her in italy no no
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she was going to school in chicago and i was also going
to school you stood you got going to school in chicago how was
that did you why do i not know why do i
not know this about i told you you was out there drilling i was out there you
was out there sliding on the ops yeah dude yeah dude all the way wicker park
yeah what was you listening to what music was like what's your favorite chicago
like rapper you listen to little dirt i don't i haven't honestly heard much
(38:26):
little dirt but i i should like i'm like like who,
Who's the creator of drill music? Oh, Chief Keef. But I know that from you. You know that from me.
If Tekashi6 and I walked in here right now, what should we do?
I would just start laughing.
What should me and DeDante do? I ain't doing shit, first off. I don't know nothing.
(38:48):
He walking here, I'm going to try to get me a million out of his ass.
What should you do? I don't know.
Do you know the situation? What should I do? What do you mean?
Yeah. Yeah. Hey, on a serious note, though, we always have fun. We always clown.
You're a great sport, but we love you. You're a great part of the family,
and we appreciate you. I appreciate you guys letting me onto this.
(39:11):
I have so much fun every time I come to one of these.
I'm about to devolve into a ball of tears right now. No, for real.
Go for it. He's going to hug the fuck out of you after this.
I'm going to carry you like a newborn. Just walk right in.
Walking in circles? All right.
So this was Stranger Fruit Podcast, and this is Elliot, a.k.a. What's your name?
(39:37):
Young Spiel. Young Spiel, a.k.a. Gangland Landlord. Gangland Landlord.
And that's Free Bliss, Brian James. We'll catch y'all later.
Holler back. We got to go.
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