FETISH Modeling Deep Dive with Raven Lynette!

Join us for an exciting deep dive into the world of fetish modeling with our special guest, Raven Lynette. Raven, a seasoned fetish model, shares her experiences, insights, and the intriguing aspects of this unique modeling niche.

In this episode, we explore the definition of fetish, discuss various fetishes like foot fetishes, balloon fetishes, and underwater fetishes, and delve into the differences between fetish modeling and other modeling genres. We also touch on the safety and consent aspects of fetish modeling, and answer questions from our listeners about the intricacies and boundaries within this fascinating industry.

Whether you're curious about the behind-the-scenes of fetish modeling or just want to hear some entertaining stories, this episode is packed with valuable information and fun anecdotes. Don't miss out on this candid conversation that sheds light on a lesser-known but equally captivating side of the modeling world.

Episode Transcript

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Music.

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With fellow models. And today I'm really excited because we are doing a fetish modeling deep dive,
with my really good friend, Raven Lynette, who I also first met through fetish modeling. Say hi.
Hi. How are you doing today? Good. I'm excited to be here and talk about all

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the weird stuff we do. Oh, my goodness.
Yeah. So firstly, I wanted to like get out of the way what the definition of fetish is.
When I Google definition of fetish online.
It says a form of sexual desire in which gratification is strongly linked to

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a particular object or activity or a part of the body other than the sexual organs.
Yeah so I think that that kind of
yeah encompasses it in general yeah so
it does kind of allude that like a
fetish is definitely a sexual

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thing and it's kind of
funny though because in my experience like fetish
modeling doesn't feel sexual all the time
what do you think about that yeah it's
like it's definitely i mean a lot of the fetish
stuff like the viewer or you
know the connoisseur doesn't even

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want nudity or like to see
any the like traditionally sexual
parts of the body a lot of times it's it's
whatever particular thing they're interested in like like
if it's a really i mean really basic one that
i feel like more common one would be feet yeah a
lot a lot of the foot fetish guys don't care for the nudity they just mostly

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want the feet or balloons or i mean also many so many different things like
yeah but like yeah when i'm when i'm shooting this stuff a lot of times it's
not something that i find like.
It's sexually exciting but it's fun like it's
fun to do all these different things yeah it can
be really fun it's interesting there to think like at the balloon one in particular

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i've always wondered like are people actually jerking off to videos of girls
playing with balloons with their clothes on you know like i think so i assume
so there's like there's aspects
of some of these different fetishes that where i get like like i'm not turned
on by it but i can understand like

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how you know the person with the fetish might be like for the balloons.
There's you know the blow to pop is one of the sub genres i guess you could
say and like again there's like the build-up and like oh it's gonna pop which
is kind of like parallel to an orgasm i I guess,

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like the slow, slow buildup.
And then, you know, this big, huge thing. Yeah.
So like, I can, I kind of, I kind of see some of that. Yeah.
I mean, when I think of it that way, I, it is an anticipation of the balloon popping.
And maybe part of it is that whatever happens when a balloon pops,

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you can't fake your reaction to it, right?
Like it has no way that you can fake your reaction to a balloon popping.
It's going to be surprising no matter what so I'm
gonna backpedal a tiny bit because some people
that are listening might not know you Raven that
well they might just assume that you're like this full time like fetish

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producing model which I know that you do quite a
bit of fetish modeling but like how would you define
what fetish modeling is and compared to all
the other genres of modeling that you do yes I
do a little bit of everything it's hard
for me to like pick a favorite or anything that's why I dabble in
so many different genres but the fetish stuff yes it's obviously like it's for

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the sexual gratification of the fan and it's usually like when I'm producing
I'm not I'm not paying attention so much to,
like, is this artistically lit or composed?
Just more of whatever the particular fetish is.
It's usually, like, well-lit, bright. They can see everything that they're trying to see. Yeah.

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And, yeah, it's more, it's less, like, photography and artistic-based and more
activity-based, I guess. Yeah.
Yeah, it's I mean, it's totally different from anything else.
And it's hard to like, put it in a single box because there's so many different fetishes. Yeah.

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So I've done, yeah, I've done feet stuff.
I've done balloon stuff. I've done wet and messy stuff, food,
which is kind of like part of that.
And I've recently been doing a lot of underwater fetish stuff as well.
Well yeah so you do the underwater art and underwater
fetish and how do you like differentiate those two yeah

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so underwater if I had
to pick a favorite genre altogether I'd say underwater I just I love
I think it's so beautiful and dreamy and magical and
I love the challenge of it and I just love being in
the water all the time but as far as like the underwater fetish
stuff it's usually a lot more specific than just looking pretty underwater I
do a lot of breath hold stuff so that kind of like crosses over into a breath

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play fetish but this is like specifically underwater so it's usually just like
a video straight on of me holding my breath in the water.
For as long as I can and sometimes it's like
doing little tasks while I'm doing that I've done some that are like drownings

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oh like shaped drownings which is actually kind of like It's challenging because
I'm a great swimmer and diver,
so it's kind of funny and challenging to pretend that I can't swim.
There's usually a lot of giggling involved in between takes.
But yeah, so it's usually just whatever, various activities underwater.

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And the drowning underwater fetish, I'm sure, also shares the line with death fetish and stuff.
Yeah, for sure. The one I did was, I didn't actually drown.
It was, so I struggle, struggle, struggle. I can't swim.
I'm like, there's a lot of like screaming and blowing bubbles underwater and just frantic action.

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And I miraculously make my way to the edge of the pool and I get out and I'm all as well.
You know, that's interesting because honestly, my
first underwater shoot ever was a
fetish shoot in florida you probably
worked with this guy he was a little bit out of
town like just outside of tampa like

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an hour or something like that and first of
all his pool was chlorinated as fuck i was like almost blind leaving the guy's
place but he wanted to shoot underwater pinup photos and then like a like a
drowning death fetish scenario involving me getting trapped wrapped in the pool,
underneath the pool cover.

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And yeah, it took like a million takes of me coming up for air and then going
back down for another 30 seconds to show them a little bit more.
Yeah, so that was an experience. Yeah.
I feel like this whole episode, we're going to be buddy trailing into all the
fun, weird stories of things that we've done for weird fetish shoots.

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That are all of all of my fetish shoots are memorable because they're just different
and unique there's not a fetish shoot that I've had that I forgot about yeah same same.
And when we're saying weird, it's not in a bad way. I definitely don't want
anyone to think that we're kink shaming or anything like that.

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I mean, I personally, I shoot this stuff because I enjoy it. It's fun.
I enjoy learning about all the different tastes and interests of people.
Yeah. Yeah. So it's all fun.
Me too. When I find out about a new fetish, I'm like, oh, that's so interesting.
I'm not like, oh my God, these people are fucked up.
I mean, there's some stuff that I wouldn't shoot. just because I'm not comfortable

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with it. But like, you know, whatever floats your boat, right?
I do want to do like a little segue, though, because there is like a genre of
photographic modeling that falls under the guise of fetish modeling,
that's also a bit more like fashioning.

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And that's actually one of the questions that I had when I get a poll on my Instagram story,
asking if anybody had anything they wanted to learn about
fetish modeling one person asked is
latex involved and yeah oftentimes
like some people feel like fetish modeling is synonymous with latex fashion

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modeling and I don't know how that idea got passed around because that's definitely
a thing but it's not all encompassing of like all fetish modeling yeah yeah
I definitely I can see that.
I feel like that's probably the more mainstream understanding or view of what
fetish modeling is. Yeah.

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I'm guessing it probably kind
of started with Betty Page pinup stuff and kind of evolved from there.
I know she did some stuff with ball gags and latex, which I love that stuff
as well. And that kind of...
That kind of is in between like the art modeling and then just purely like filming fetish clips.

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Yeah. There's definitely like a high fashion element to a lot of that stuff.
Yeah. And yeah, it just makes for interesting, interesting photos.
Yeah. I mean, if you really get into it, anything could be like expressed in an artistic way.
And latex is definitely one of those things where
it like hugs the body and like the light can

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shine out of the latex and make it super shiny which is really cool
for photography and i've always liked you know
latex if it fits me right if it doesn't fit me right you
know that's the hardest thing latex is it might not
fit you right like depending on your boobs and stuff like that
yeah i feel like
like latex and like all the bds stuff puffs and collars and chains and lips

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and all that i feel like that's probably like the most common thing that people
think about when you know they hear the term fetish modeling yeah yeah also
sometimes when people hear fetish they.
Automatically think that it means like hardcore porn too
yeah and it's often not yeah

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it's often not like when i i have the fetish
category checked on my model mayhem because i i do do fetish modeling and then
oftentimes people are like oh i see that you do fetish what's the farthest you'll
go and i'm like well what kind of fetish do you want to shoot and it seems like
they think fetish means like vanilla sex but that's not what it means.

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Quite awesome yeah i get that too,
yeah so people out there listening like fetish modeling isn't always like penis
and vagina data, sex, or whatever. It's often...
Goofy and weird stuff. And this is I've had so many podcast episodes where we've

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touched on fetish modeling.
And I've said or thought to myself, like, damn, I could do a whole episode on
fetish modeling. And there's just so much that we could get into.
I want to maybe get started by going through some more of these questions that
are received on Instagram, because I feel like we could cover a lot of ground going through this.
One person asked, what is the definition of

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fetish modeling i've had several different answers from models
i think that we've sort of answered that one
a little bit where we've talked about how fetishes are
like basically not traditionally
sexual things that are
turned into a sexual thing like an object
or a part of the body that is not typically considered

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sexual certain people have a desire
for seeing this activity or this
usually non-sexual body part in their
sexual way and with modeling we you
know act that out on the camera whether it's for
photos or video so yeah i think we've answered that question one person asked

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is it dangerous how would you answer that i mean yeah it can definitely be dangerous
like man there's that's kind of a broad thing so it can be,
dangerous i kind of want to like backpedal a bit on the like the definition
yeah okay someone was asked like if say a photographer wanted to get clear on

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you know what fetish modeling is.
Like that's when they have to come in with like a clear
concept of what they're interested in
shooting because the genre is so broad so like
one model might become perfectly comfortable shooting like fetish fashion
like latex and cuffs and collars all of that but not
want to do like the wet and messy stuff

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or feet or anything like that yeah so
like like on my website i have like please
be very clear and explicit about what
you are looking for and then
as far as safety goes there
are so many different fetishes that

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could potentially be dangerous like for example the underwater
stuff obviously there is a real risk of
drowning yes so i never like shoot
a lot of stuff i shoot on my own like you know tripod
and everything but there's certain stuff that i won't shoot alone
so the underwater stuff like i have to have they come
on there for safety shibari rope suspension like there is inherent risk in that

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yeah you could bite up nerve damage nerve damage or if the suspension isn't
done well if you fall yeah I mean all of it I feel like anything can be dangerous if you don't.
Go through the proper precautions yeah and for people out there that are listening
that don't know what shibari or suspension is it's basically being tied up with

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ropes and being suspended above the ground just by ropes like hanging from the
ceiling or from some kind of a structure.
Yeah yeah so it can be dangerous it just depends on what kind of fetish you're
doing and that kind of reminds me of another little short bunny trail story.
Back in the day when I was taking a lot of custom video order requests through my Clicks for Sale page,

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somebody emailed me and they had a inflation fetish where they wanted me to
wear pantyhose that would inflate like balloons.
And I was like, well, that's not possible. How do I get that to happen?
The guy said he wanted me to have garbage bags
under the pantyhose and that i

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could have like a tube like go into
the the garbage bags and
the tube would be like connected to like some
kind of an air compressor and then i would have to like
duct tape the top of the garbage bag
around my waist so that like my legs could
inflate like pantaloons under the stockings and

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I was like okay that sounds like an interesting idea I don't have an air compressor
and when I thought about it I was like I've never used an air compressor before
like this sounds like it could potentially be dangerous like what if there's
some kind of an explosion with the air compressor like so yeah shit can be dangerous you know.
Yeah, that's a very involved theme. For the record, I did not do it.

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I came to the realization that it's too complicated and too dangerous,
and it wasn't worth giving it a try. But there are times where it can be dangerous.
I also want to ask that question about it being dangerous, if it was particularly
directed at the activities of various fetishes,
or if they mean dangerous in the sense that you're performing these fetishes

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for strange people that you've never met, or sessions.
Oh yeah because i know because
there is you know there is sometimes some confusion about
that so like i i'm available to
be booked for fetish shoots but not fetish sessions so
i'm wondering if also that is what they mean by dangerous how would you define

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a session for people who are out there who aren't familiar with the term so
like a direct like rather than me making the video and sending it off to someone
somewhere else in the world,
it would be like directly performing this fetish for them in person.
Yeah. So if I'm doing a fetish shoot with a producer, that's kind of like a

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third party in between. Yeah. Go-between party.
So there's a level of safety. Usually the producer I can check references on
and they have a good record of being a safe person to work with.
They're not you know getting off in the
moment and they're producing this content that's arguable

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are you like the good ones
with the good references like if they are they can
be professional in the moment you know yeah
which that's fine with me as long as everyone's just professional in
the moment like we're good but yeah
like doing actual sessions i
feel like as another layer of another risk aspect for

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sure yeah and and that
kind of crosses the boundary further into something that
would be more like sex work like in person than like content creation type sex
work yeah yeah so in that sense it could be dangerous i do know that like within
the in-person sex work industry there are like communities of people who like do check references

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on like, I guess they call Johns or whatever.
But I think it's a lot harder to check references that way.
Because you have to have a really tight community of people who all know the
same customers somehow.
And it's harder than if a person has a website where you can see who they've
worked with publicly and easily just find references that way.

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Yeah, for sure. And there's often a lot more, you know,
a lot of the clients, clients you know want
a bit more privacy so it's often hard to yeah check references
on someone you don't know who they really are yeah totally
i had a person on my podcast a few months ago who's like he's like a bodybuilder
model and she also does like sessions with men who want to be like play wrestled

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with so they get to feel her strength in person and she said that she has like
a community of people who do the same thing as her.
And they generally know the same customers in the area.
But I suppose if there was somebody who nobody had heard about, that might be a red flag.
Yeah, so kind of interesting. I'm sure there's a lot of like,

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people who are certain niche fetish customers who asked a bunch of different
people the same request.
So if it's like, you know, the rubber chicken guy, like the fetish models in
the area all know the rubber chicken guy.
Cool so i think we've kind of answered the question of is it dangerous here's

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another really interesting question is there a fetish you won't do.
Yeah there there are a few i won't do anything with bodily fluid or other excrement,
yeah other than like spit or drool
maybe yeah you know anything illegal there's

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bright animals animals yeah
and there is some stuff
that i've done that i would probably not do again oh yeah
so one of the one of the more tame
ones i probably won't do again it's part
of the wet and messy fetish and
involving peanut butter oh i will i mean

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you i would have to be getting paid a lot to do peanut
butter again what happened um it was a very very specific custom i did a few
for this client and the first one was shaving cream and just like and clown
makeup and it also involved involved smoking five cigarettes at the same at once.

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And all at the same time, like it was very involved.
And I don't smoke. So I had to like fake it.
But since I don't smoke, I'm not really used to having cigarette smoke wafting in my face and eyes.
And since my whole entire head was covered in shaving cream,
except my eyes and nose, like I couldn't really...
Blow the smoke away from my eyes so it

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was really intense and then like the next one was a
similar concept piling frosting over my
head while I you know chain
smoked and then the last
one was peanut butter and we got
you know those jars those like commercial kitchen size jars
of peanut butter and piled it all in

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my hair and I have long like my hair goes down to
my butt it so we had all that
full of peanut butter then piled into like you know
like a beehive on top of my head oh my god and
it was i mean it's heavy it's like super freaking heavy so like my neck was
hurting but like getting the washing it off was the worst part i think i went

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through like a whole bottle of dish soap in my hair because shampoo wouldn't
cut it and it took me like an.
Hour in the shower trying to get the stuff out and then
I still smelled like peanut butter for like a week
so I am also adding peanut butter
to the lifted fetishes and I won't so like

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well it wasn't super you know crazy or
dangerous I guess it was highly
unpleasant for me so I probably won't do it again yeah
well then the other one like I've done I've done a
few of the like death fetish stuff yeah and i
think like when i first was doing it it's like
well you know it's just it's acting like like playing

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on a death scene in a movie like it's not super bad but
but then i kind of wonder like are the people ordering this
stuff is it because like that's a
real fantasy of theirs and they're gonna act it out someday yeah or is or by
ordering these videos are is this like what's preventing them from acting it
out oh my god i've had the same question in my mind about that too because i've

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also done death fetish modeling.
It's super fun but then later on you're like wait whoever ordered this custom
video paid thousands of dollars because they paid my fee the filmmakers fee
and like any other like actor model that was involved,
you know, it's like, it can be really expensive to order a custom video like that.

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Like, that means they're really, really into it, right?
If you're going to pay like $1,000 for a 10-minute video, like.
They're into it. I have a short story about that. So I won't say his name,
but he's a very beloved death fetish videographer that I've worked with a handful of times.
I do love working with him and I would work with him again.

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But he told me a story about how he
got contacted by the police because one
of his regular customers who was ordering death fetish
videos from him murdered his whole
family and the police raided his computer and like obviously searched his house
and found these custom videos that were like suspiciously similar to the way

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that his family was killed like the videos were kind of a similar scenario to
it i don't know i don't remember the specifics of it but something involving
them all being barefoot or something like that.
And so he the the fetish producer
was questioned by the police about that
because they were just gathering evidence the fetish producer he didn't

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get in trouble or anything like that it was just they wanted to know
what's up with these suspicious videos but it
goes to show that at least for that one person the
the murdering people was their
fetish and that person did act it
out so for some people maybe it's just a fascination like violent
video games like i'm never gonna you know steal you with somebody's car and

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shoot them in the face like grand theft auto but it's fun to do it on grand
theft auto you know yeah yeah that's intense oh man yes yeah so yeah thank you and.
I yeah i had the same kind of feeling like it was fun in the moment and then
after i'm like i don't know i don't know about this so i probably won't do those

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anymore yeah for me fetishes that
I won't do like gosh like I
guess there's a lot of fetishes that involve like you
know more sexual stimulation that I
probably wouldn't do like I mean maybe if I was just filming it myself in the
privacy of my own place like I would I guess it really depends on what the fetish

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is but there's certain fetishes like piercing like I do find that fascinating
and I love you know getting my ears pierced. I've had my belly button pierced.
I wouldn't do piercing just for somebody else's fetish video though.
If I was going to do any creative piercing, it'd probably be for my own.

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Like I did a corset piercing on myself once. I didn't mean I didn't do the piercing
on myself, but I worked with a piercer to do a corset piercing down my back for a photo shoot.
And that was bitching, but it wasn't somebody's like personal custom order for that.
But I probably wouldn't just like get pierced on camera for somebody's fetish.

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Spanking, only if it's like light, playful spanking, because I don't want to have bruises on my ass.
I bruise really easily so if anybody suggests that they want to shoot spanking
I ask how hard of spanking do you require because anything beyond like a playful
slap is gonna make a mark on me.

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Yeah I think I'll have to add piercing to my list of no's as well I don't recall
if anybody's ever like asked me to do that but I know that it is a fetish yeah
and I know I probably like I'm not
personally like turned on by getting pierced I'm not
scared of it I love the art of piercing I
just you know yeah like a corset piercing is on my bucket list of shoots I still

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hope to do someday soon but yeah I don't I think it would be a one and done
got the photo got the video kind of thing yeah like my own artistic reasons rather than,
Yeah, I'm not just going to stick needles in me. Right.
Yeah. And as soon as the shoot was over, I went back to the piercer's place
and we took all the ringlets out and it healed just fine.

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It's just like, you know, getting
a zit and then the zit heals and then there's no scars or whatever.
Yeah. Yeah. So I have had people request stuff like a humiliation session where
I get my head shaved and like, you know, get pissed on and stuff.
And I was not down for that.
Not really down for that either yeah I feel

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like the list of my list of things I won't do like I won't know that list until
I'm asked yeah right there's a lot of things within
the fetish world where like I have
my own boundaries but there's some boundaries that I don't know
about yet because it's an unknown unknown until I'm
faced with it yeah and then
just like you like you thought you would be cool with the peanut butter

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but then afterwards you're like I didn't like that out I'm not gonna do
that again yeah yeah that's why
like I have you know when it comes to
festive I'm like please just like ask me anything the worst
I can say is no and as long as you can respect my answer like
it's good but like you know the fetish world
is so broad I can never I'll never be able

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to put together like a full comprehensive list of what I will
and won't do right and the comfort zone for people is
so like variable too because
there's some people that are like full-time porn stars that might not be comfortable
doing certain types of fetishes also like one that I found really interesting
came to me as an opportunity after I went to fetish con and I shared a room

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with this amazing person Odette de la Croix have you heard of her.
I don't think so. She's a super petite model. She's shorter than me.
And she started a website called petite versus plump.com involving her getting
like squished by SSBBWs, aka super sized,

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big, beautiful women where they dog pile on her and they bear hug her and they sit on her.
And she's just like moaning in the video like, and that's the whole thing.
Like, and so I shared a hotel room with her and took selfies with her.
And then when I got back home, I was getting emails from this guy that was a fan of hers.

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I was like, Oh, you're petite too. You can do the same thing.
I'd like to order a custom video of you getting crushed by a super sized, big, beautiful woman.
And I was like, okay, I'm okay with that.
I just need to find somebody else that's okay with being the person that crushes
me. You know, I was like, I'm willing willing to give this a try.
But then it came down to, I didn't know anybody that was already doing that

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professionally in my area.
And I thought about putting a Craigslist ad up, looking for super-sized,
big, beautiful women to crush me.
And I was like, well, if they don't already have experience doing this specific fetish work,
then me explaining that I'm tiny and they're big and I want them to crush me
for this video that some guy is paying for, the thought of going through that

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conversation with somebody that's not already doing it professionally.
It just made me feel a little awkward.
I didn't really want to go through with like the potential for somebody to get
offended at the request. You know what I mean? Yeah, totally.
Yeah. That's like, I was seeing, um,
That's kind of how I feel about fetish modeling, like, nude modeling in general,

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but especially the fetish stuff.
Like, I don't want to be the, like, the reason someone is convinced to start this career path.
Yeah. Like, I'm happy to help. I'm happy to help someone who already has a genuine interest.
But, like, I'm not out here to convince others to do it.
Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like I started modeling and then fetish

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modeling became an option for me.
And then I learned about it and I was like, oh, this is fun.
And then I got into it. And once I was into it, I was open to like finding out
different types of fetish modeling.
And that was around the time that I met you. And for people who didn't hear
our first episode where Raven and I did an episode like, geez, over a year ago.

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I think it was a balloon popping shoot, wasn't it?
Yeah. Yeah, we did a bunch of different
things. Like, I think you had some customs that you needed to film.
I think one of them was like tickling. Tickling, yeah.
I do have a tickled you. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we did some like yoga, did some balloons.
And we did, what else did we do? Oh, we did that hop along ball thing where

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we bounced around on that bouncy ball like a clown.
Dude, this sounds like a good time. I would like to eat it all over again,
too. Yeah, it was a good time. Yeah.
Yeah. Shout out to that guy in San Diego. Does he still do that? I think so.
Where was I going with this? Yeah. So, alright.

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We wouldn't want to drag somebody into fetish modeling that is an unsuspecting person.
Unless they're understanding of what they're getting into and wanting to do it.
Yes. We need informed consent. Informed consent.
I mean, there's other stuff. I had a guy that wanted me to cook a raw turkey

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and talk to the turkey as if it was him.
I'm putting him in the oven, and I'm going to cut his head off and eat him and stuff like that.
So he wanted me to get a turkey that had its head and its legs still.
And apparently like most grocery stores when
raw turkeys the turkeys come to the grocery store
like you know they're already plucked and

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they've already had their head and feet chopped off and i
didn't know this i mean i don't like cook at thanksgiving i just
show up right i'm not sorry you guys are gonna i'm
ruining the fantasy but i don't cook a lot you know i can make
a mean top ramen but anyway so i called around
my area a few different grocery stores and everybody
that responded was like why do you need it with a

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head on like why are you like i got like i was the weird one for suggesting
i was looking for a turkey with its head on still people got weirded out and
then i got weirded out and i just emailed the guy and i was like dude here's
my zip code you find a turkey with a head on and then i'll go pick it up okay it never happened.
That's funny yeah yeah yeah

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dude's a big one yeah it's a
big one i've done like a lot of customs or i'm just in the
bathtub with food like around me or in baths of eating or you know just cooking
it's interesting oh yeah the muffin and fetish is something that's come up for
me like quite a few times have you ever done that? Not like,

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officially like all all the food stuff
I've done it's either been wet and messy or like
some casual eating but it's usually like what I just mentioned it's in
the bathtub eating a snack or whatever but not like a straight on like the camera
focused on you know me just stuffing my face I have not done that I would love
to do that though yeah I I have done a mukbang video for somebody I think it

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was like a producer that wanted and he was like asking if I had any allergies or whatever.
And I was like, Well, what do you want me to eat? And they said,
like, the greasier and the more unhealthy for you, the better.
And I was like, I mean, I'm okay with eating some fried chicken,
but I don't know about like 12 fried chicken pieces.
Like, you know, I'm not, I mean, like, my stomach is a limited capacity.

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So for me, I don't know how great like a mukbang person I could be.
But I think we agreed on something that was like,
slightly different than what he wanted me to do but I was like I'm
willing to eat a large quantity of this type of
food I can't remember what it was I think it
was like a stir fry or something like that so it's kind of like a
medium between what I wanted and what he wanted yeah

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I think I could put away like one really super
fat juicy burger but just one yeah like
I don't think I could do like the eating as much as possible yeah
I've never like done competitive eating so that
would be a challenge so I guess this question of
is there a fetish you won't do this could be this could
go on because the fetish world is

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so vast and there's so many things that we
don't even know exist yet even though you and i have done a lot of fetish modeling
like i feel like this list could be like ever evolving yeah for sure yeah another
person asks what's your favorite kind of fetish modeling and i know that you
already responded underwater.

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Yeah. Yeah, I love the underwater stuff. I say that's definitely my favorite
just because it's also my favorite,
genre in the manila world i guess and then
i do really like i personally enjoy shibari and
various types of bondage so i guess
that could be added to my list of favorites but

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i only like do that stuff with people that
i enjoy doing it with i guess yeah
probably like not because of personal right they
have to be respectful and like be actually
good at rope without getting nerve of damage which is
always the end yes for myself what
my favorite kind of fetish modeling is personally I

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like the ones that are fun to do
and ones that involve me with at least one
other model are I like it
when it's fun you know like I did
one once where it was a wet and messy so
I'm sure you work with this guy too somewhere in like Houston.
Texas or whatever he shot out of his his apartment and

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he had me and two other models and he wanted
to do a video where we were having
like a cake fight instead of cakes we
had like like a hundred little like jars of
frosting that were different colors that the entire
frosting things were like plopped onto paper plates
so there was like a hundred paper plates that were like different

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colors of frosting like pink yellow yellow green blue
and we started in bikinis and
we like started smashing each other all over each of
their bodies with these different colors of frosting and then we stripped
each other's bikinis off and just ended up kind
of like in a dog pile on the ground rolling over each
other and this colorful frosting it had this tie-dye effect

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it was so much fun even though
it was a huge mess that we got to like you know smear
these colorful frostings all over each other and like lick
it and stuff it was visually interesting and.
It was fun at the same time you know we're just laughing so
I think stuff like that is more of my favorite
kind of fetish more because it's funny for me

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like the fetish modeling where it's like I can't it's
really hard to not laugh I find very fun
and there's a lot of other fun fetishes like have you
ever done pedal pumping yes yeah that's
fun too i'm just driving just driving
around driving revving the engine so yeah
for people out there who don't know what pedal pumping is it's

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like a fetish involving like the model that's doing the acting is in the driver's
seat turning trying to get the engine to turn over in a car and like oftentimes
it's all about the interaction between the woman in a car where the woman is
like, come on, please start.
I got to get little Johnny to work. His parents are going to be so mad if I'm late.

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So there's a frustration of begging the car to turn over and then the engine
just revving and not turning over and then finally turning over at some point.
So yeah i've done those i love i also love you know i love doing this stuff
with other models because it is fun you're just like you're just playing you're just.
Playing in like a way that you don't normally get to play yeah yeah and this

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is how fetish modeling when it's you know especially on video crosses into acting
a lot more than actual modeling like you have to be able to like ad-lib a lot
of the stuff if they're speaking involved.
Yeah one of them fun one
i did it was kind of it was a cross between

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balloon and wet and messy and and
vacuum oh yeah that's another one i've done i've done
vacuum cleaner fetish stuff um i
think you and i vacuumed each other's clothes off yes we did it
was after a balloon thing we
had we each had our own like balloon
party set up and nobody showed up to either of of our parties so

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we got pissed and we started popping each other's balloons and then
we had to clean up the mess so we started vacuuming up the popped balloons and
then getting hissy with each other and then vacuuming each other's clothes off
that was fun yeah so this other one i did we like set up a like a wet room basically
like these big plastic sheets and then we used we

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filled these balloons with paint and then we
used a vacuum on reverse to blow
these balloons up till they popped and exploded the paint all over me oh my
god yeah it was like me and another model and i'm just like ah no don't get
me and she's blowing his balloons up and shooting paint all over me oh my god
that sounds fun that's awesome.

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Man, so many good times. Yeah. So yeah, my favorite kind of fetish modeling
is that I have had some pretty fun tickling fetish ones, but I've also had some
weird tickling fetish ones.
And this is kind of like one of those deals where oftentimes the people that
are the producers of this Clips for Sale website are also the person that has that kink.

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And the reason they know how to shoot it well is because they also have the
fetish so they know what the people that are buying the content want to see,
which, you know, it makes sense if they are kind of stewards of the content themselves.
But that also means that they're kind of getting turned on during the process.
And we talked about this before like it just when you're

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working with people if they can keep that professionalism where they're
not crossing boundaries with you like that's fine but there
have been some tickle producers that were kind
of crossing the line with me because they were the ones that were tickling
me and they were the ones filming me so they've got
the camera on a tripod they're like all right i'm gonna be the tickler instead
of hiring another another like model to tackle

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me or like some guy to tickle me they're the ones
tickling me you know yeah yeah it can
definitely get a little weird and a little lines
can get blurred there you definitely feel especially if it's
not like if you don't do sessions if you only do this you know for show the
acting part like it can definitely get uncomfortable yeah and this is why we

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check references like so that
kind of leads me into the next question that somebody asked what good and
bad experiences have you had?
I feel like both of us have kind of highlighted a lot of the good experiences,
the things that were fun, the things that were funny, or you just cracking up
laughing the whole time, but have you had any bad experiences with fetish modeling? Hmm. Yeah.

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Um i feel like i kind of touched on
that with like fetishes i won't do yeah right the
peanut butter the death fetish stuff but neither
of those was like a bad experience with the
producer like it was just the the
activity itself was unpleasant yeah let
me see yeah i feel like I've overall

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found like the professional fetish producing communities to be a lot more focused
on safety and consent and respecting boundaries than some of the manila shoots I've done. Yeah.
And that's really important, especially for fetish producers,

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because they are running a business in the end.
And if they end up getting a bad reputation for like sexual assault or coercion
or whatever, then that's going to most likely affect their business.
So they are on the hook to provide their talent with a good experience.

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Yeah but i have had at
least one really bad experience with a bondage
fetish producer back in florida i can tell you who it is after the recording
yeah but what happened was this person told me that if i was ever like past
my pain threshold you know to just let him know and And then they'll cut the

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scene and like give me some relief.
But the problem was they put a gag, a ball gag in my mouth and they like duct
taped over the gag and they blindfolded me so they couldn't see my eyes and I couldn't speak.
You know, all of the communication I could do was, you know,

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like you can't really tell what people are saying through a gag,
especially when you're taped over the gag.
And he had me in this position where I had my my knees and legs were kind of
in this crisscross applesauce like position where they were tied really tightly like that.
And he had me laying, I think, on my side or on my front.

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I can't remember, but he partially suspended me partway through this video and
he did not tell me he was going to partially suspend me like at all.
He had just told me that he was going to tie me.
And if it was too much, then to let him know.
But I was definitely past my pain threshold. And I was trying to express that.

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But I learned later that these people intentionally push people past their threshold
because their fans like to see the talent experiencing true pain without being
able to do anything about it.
So part of their business was pushing pain boundaries.
And I didn't like that. I would never work with them again.

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I can tell anybody that contacts me privately who it was.
But for legal purposes, we can't say the names of negative experiences publicly
for fear of getting sued.
Yikes. That's awful. Well, that's like, first of all, sorry that happened to you. but like that's,

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like kink like bsm safety 101
is like you need a safe word and if there's not a
way to express the safe word you need a clear you know
method alternative method yeah they
did not give me a way to like give a signal of any kind they just said just
let us know if it's too much and we'll stop and that that didn't get honored

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so and it's especially important with stuff like predicament bondage because
a lot of those scenes are scenes where you're like acting out the struggle.
Yeah or you know you're actually struggling and but
you might be like laying it on sick about like oh it hurts or
whatever you're in pain but yeah there needs
to be a way to for the producer

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to actually like want to
stop so i i know what predicament bondage is and
i've done it before but for the people listening that don't know
what predicament bondage is can you describe it yeah
so it's basically it's like any other bondage
it can be it can be shibari based like
rope rope based or cuffs or chains

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or any kind of restraint it's usually
like really tight and restrictive and you're
usually trying to escape it or either escape
it or complete some kind of task while bound
yeah so a lot of what they
like to see a lot is is the struggle intense like because you're so tightly

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bound it's hard to get any movement out yeah so there is definitely like an
element of realism we really are struggling against these very real restraints
yeah so yeah i guess that would be different than just regular bondage.
You know in any other context like I'll do rope stuff or
suspension but I'm not struggling I'm more just like zoning out and

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relaxing in the eye yeah trying to get out of it I for example I think I had
a predicament bondage scenario once where I was tied in some way where I was
standing on my toes and I had nipple clamps on my nipples that were like tied
to something above me so if I
relaxed and sat down on my heels or

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relaxed down into my heels it would pull too much on
my boobs so I would have to stay with my
toes pointed so there was a predicament of oh I
can't get rest from standing on my toes but if
I sit on my or I'm flat-footed then
it's going to pull on my boobs too much yeah yeah that's another another huge
thing if we're like one you know alleviating one i guess you can say pain point

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would cause another yeah so some people are into that and you just have to decide
in advance like am i comfortable with this predicament or not.
Yeah so but i would say that like 95 of bondage people that i've worked with
are very like consent oriented and there have been a few that are like kind

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of joke around like aha what if i
spanked your ass right now when that wasn't really discussed in advance
or joking around with you while you have a blindfold and
a gag about something that they're gonna do that they're not really gonna do
what they're teasing to do it where you can't get away right come on like yeah
don't do that that's not cool yeah so so that was my that's probably my worst

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experience was that one guy in Florida.
I can't really think of like any other bad experiences that I guess I did one,
I did a tickle shoot, where it was somewhere in New Jersey, I think the guy,
I expressed my limits to him in advance.
I was like, I'm okay with showing open leg, but I'm not okay with like sex toys or anything like that.

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And so he we get to the shoot, we rediscuss the boundaries.
And to bed and he was going to start tickling me and then he pulled out a vibrator
and he was like are you sure that i can't use this on you and i was like dude
like don't like threaten to push my boundaries when you've already tied me up

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that's so not cool yeah yeah that's like scary yeah and,
yeah i think that i have a lot of my
like potentially where it could have gone bad they just
didn't happen because they showed their red flags early
on enough for me to not go through with the
shoot totally right yeah not cool consent is everything yeah and speaking of

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bondage there is a person who posted a question that is bondage related it says
why do you think bondage is popular and or not so popular um,
hmm that's a good one i would say it's
i mean i don't i don't know the pop the like percentages of
popularity but like i personally love it

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like in my own personal life like it's like i can kind of speak on like the
appeal of it is just relinquishing control and being at the mercy of you know
whoever is lying you or restraining you and kind of you know there's different levels of.

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Bondage then have to have different outcomes i
guess so like with with shibari stuff and
suspension stuff if it's not like a
predicament style one but it's just straight up time like i love that because
i can just like relax and zone out and and like pain i guess it's painful but

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at the same time it gives i mean it kind of like gets you out of your head i
guess so it's like almost meditative.
So like after I do a suspension, like I feel like after I do a suspension with
like a good partner who I trust and enjoy tying with, I feel almost like I just
had a massage or something.

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Like I just feel relaxed. But on the other side of that is it can be really
a huge turnoff for someone because they don't like that feeling of relinquishing control.
Right. Yeah. And so for me, I have done a lot of bondage in my past.
I would say between like 2013 to 2017, I did quite a lot of bondage.

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And I did shibari, so the more artistic style, like just the designs of the rope type stuff.
And I did damsel in distress.
I did a lot of damsel and distress.
And I did a few suspensions and like some like video work as well.
I mean, the damsel in distress was a lot of video work.

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But for me, like,
I think that like being tied up in my personal life, like that's something that
like I would be into with a romantic partner.
But I don't personally like like people who aren't my romantic partner, like tying me up.
So every bondage shoot that I did, I've definitely like ruined this fantasy for so many of my fans.

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I'm sorry, but like I just did it for the money.
And I was basically waiting to get out of the ropes every time.
So it's different like some some people that are doing a
lot of bondage are they do like being tied up
but I like personally there's
a lot of times where my hands were numb or was pinching my arm
and I was like I am not into this like give me

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out yeah yeah I think because
I like it in my personal life like I
actually do less of it professionally because
I kind of like you said like you
only want to do it with a partner right partner yeah I
only want to do it with people that I know and trust and have you
know some sort of natural chemistry with yeah like I mean I'll if I'm doing

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it or if I'm doing it in a professional setting like I just want to be tied
like it's a prop being added like I don't want any extra sensuality or you know any anything like that,
yeah so like some a lot of the like recent rope stuff i've done that i've like

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posted on my instagram and stuff i got with someone who i've tied with a lot
and like there is some sort of like friendship there and i'm comfortable doing
that kind of like central like pseudo dynamic.
Like dom sub dynamic thing with him yeah but i probably wouldn't shoot that
with anyone else yeah totally any other rope stuff like we're going to be talking about whatever ever,

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bullshit while you put ropes on me like but it's not
going to be like a scene if that yeah have you ever
worked with a rope expert in chicago i have
not oh my gosh he's the damsel in distress guy that i've worked with the most
and probably like some of my best experiences were with him but i i mean i i

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could you know go on and on about rope expert he's got a website rope expert.com Check it out.
But he told me, I think the first time we shot, he flew me out to Chicago and
booked me for a whole day.
And like while we were having lunch, he told me that when he was a kid.
Like, I don't know, a few years ago or something like that, he was really into comic books.

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Books and oftentimes in comic books like
a woman is getting captured right and she's tied up like
tied to a chair tied to a bed you know
in some kind of like way where like they have
these traditional ties like ties on the
knees like the the harness tie and like
all these various hog ties stuff like that and apparently

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there was also i forget the name of it but there was some
comic book that was specifically focused on
like you know captured women that were tied up
you know with a blindfold and stuff and it was a cartoon but he
was super into it and he was like wow one day when
i grow up i want to make stuff like this and he thought that it was like this
dirty thing because back before the internet like people who had fetishes didn't

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know that other people were also having those fantasies because it seemed like
a shameful thing because people didn't talk about that kind of stuff before the internet really.
And then he started his website later down the road.
And he got online and found communities of people who were also into damsel-style bondage.

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And he created his pay site and the rest is history.
But I thought it was so interesting that the fascination for him started by
finding these comic books when he was a kid.
Yeah, I've heard that connection before with the damsel in distress thing.
I feel like a lot of times the damsel in distress video is often a cosplay element

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to it as well. Yeah. Superheroes.
Yeah, that's a whole other subgenre. It's like superheroes getting in these bondage predicaments.
Oh my gosh, I lied about one of my favorite modeling fetish experiences.
Superhero fetish is super fun. fun oh

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my god so fun you get to be like wonder
woman or super girl you're fighting crime and you
get captured and then you get free and then you get captured it's so
much fun it's just like if you were in your backyard playing
with your camcorder like with your friends and doing silly like
goofy videos it feels like that yeah yeah

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there's moments where i'm like doing the predicament stuff i'm getting like
captured and i'm i'm swinging and trying and be like oh no please don't and
then i'll have these like little out of body moments where i'm like how did
i how did my life lead me to being entitled yeah totally right yeah.

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Oh my god it's super fun it's fun
to just you know do something totally out of
the norm yeah and i mean something that kind of
brings us all back in a full circle is that like in the
end like my experience doing fetish
modeling and like getting requests for other people that
wanted me to act out their fetish for them it it

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has given me this like more like
deep understanding of how the human mind works
where I would not like understand humans
in general as well if I did not
get into fetish modeling because it
really like brings out the element

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of like how sexuality has all
these different intricacies for different people and it's okay if you are not
into something or if you're more into some other thing that other people are
either turned off by or turned on by like not everybody takes the same way yeah
yeah it's super interesting i love like Like,

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it's so interesting to try to figure out, like, how a fetish formed, you know?
Yeah, right. And I have kind of gone on my own mental rabbit hole and,
like, talked to fetish producers about this.
And I think that I have had some answers from different people that have led
me to this conclusion of how fetishes are formed.

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And some of them I wouldn't be able to answer for you. but oftentimes they are
influenced by something else.
That happens to a person, usually a young boy between the ages of like,
I don't know, seven and 14 or something like that.
Something happens to them that imprints on their memory, something that's either

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traumatic or really exciting or something they will always remember.
And when they become adults, it is something that they have sexualized for themselves.
So the pedal pumping one was a really good lesson for me because the guy that
hired me to do this pedal pumping fetish stuff out in the rolling hills of Missouri

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in the middle of nowhere.
This guy had a property with a bunch of different old cars that he had jerry-rigged
to make it so that they would only turn over, the engine would only turn over
all the way if he pushed a button off camera so that I could rev the engine as much as I could.
This guy had a pedal pumping fetish. And he told me that the fetish for him started when he was a

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young kid and i guess back in
his day cars didn't it was harder for him to get
started sometimes especially if it was cold if your
babysitter or your mom or your big sister is
trying to start the car and little johnny's in the back witnessing this like
the witnessing a woman getting really frustrated and anxious and panicky over

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whether or not the car is going to start like the little boy is that's imprinting
on them too so it's like this feared thing where Where there's like a come on, start.
It's something that they remembered. And it's something that might happen to
them over and over throughout their young life.
And so that was one fetish that I've kind of taken that lesson and tried to

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apply it to a bunch of other fetishes.
But there's still ones that I'm just like, I can't explain.
Yeah. Oh, there was one I did.
That's a really fun one. vore do
you hear that yeah so this was i mean there's different variations of it like

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sometimes it's like the woman eating a small man or you know something like
that but this one was i was being eaten alive by these giant puppet monsters,
and it was just so much fun the guy who was producing it he like made these puppet,
out of fabric and stuffing and you know giant googly eyes and stuff and they're

(01:02:56):
these giant life-size puppets that would swallow me whole yes and it was just so much fun like i'm just.
Slithering into the mouth of this giant stuffed animal basically and screaming
just for help i I wonder, like, how does that fetish, like, how does that seed get planted?
Like, I think there's like a big, probably like a lot of crossover with like

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horror movies because a lot of scary movies are also very sexual for some reason. Yeah.
So, yeah, I wonder if it's like that, like they were exposed to some very specific
horror films when they were little or something like that.
I've heard that, too. And I've heard that the quicksand fetish came from,

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I guess, in the 30s, 40s and 50s, a lot of action movies incorporated like scenes
where a woman is stuck in the quicksand and the hero has to try to save her.
And that generated a wave of people who had quicksand fetishes.
Like 20 years later, all these quicksand fetish people started popping out of the woodwork.

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Wow. Yeah. I still really think quicksand is going to be a problem in real life.
Right. I've never experienced quicksand in real life. But I know that there
are full-on studios that are just dedicated to quicksand fetish.
I haven't been there personally, but I know that there's some of these places
that exist where they have a quicksand studio.
Oh, fun. I need to find those.

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It's so fun. I would love to get stuck in this quicksand shoot.
Shoot anybody out there if
you know who the guy is hook us up cool
okay there's one more question and this these questions
have really helped like drive the episode this is so handy

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i'm going to do this for every deep dive a question that
somebody asked and they said have you ever experienced
sub drop after a shoot or
scene and how did the photographer or producer
handle your needs hmm that's
a good one let's see i don't think so because yeah like the only the only like

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really submissive fetishes i've done are the rope stuff or the bondage stuff.
And, again, it's like, I'm not, if I'm not like, gosh, it's hard to explain.
But no, like, I've never really experienced sub drop, I guess,

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in that concept, context, because the summons of stuff I've done,
like my partner or producer is very conscious of that.
And, you know, there is some aftercare there, you know, and making sure that
you're, that you don't experience that, I guess.
With like the stuff so like i'll

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do i'll shoot you know rope and bondage
stuff for my own sites and like that is
a real scene that i'm doing with you know a partner and yeah there's aftercare
and you know i don't so like when we do a suspension once he finally lets me
down he takes the rope off really slow and you know it's very warm and comforting

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it's not just like Like, okay,
you're just hanging upside down, like, experience,
you know, working through this discomfort for 20 minutes and then just,
you know, whips the ropes off and then says bye.
You know, like, there's a whole, like, aftercare.
Yeah. And then with, you know, predicament stuff that I've done for professional

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studios, there's, you know, a very light energy to it, you know,
like a light, playful energy at the end.
And we're normally, like, giggling and laughing about the scene after.
Yeah so you need to find what sub drop is for people who might I know yeah so.
There's some tough and there's also like top the

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top drop dumb dumb drop it's basically like when you come down from the high
of whatever scene you were just doing so it can often be like very intense psychologically
to be in the very submissive role or to be in the dominant role and so it's kind of like a
drop in the endorphins, I guess, after this thing is over.

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You can feel kind of sad and glum and...
And usually that can be prevented or mitigated with aftercare.
So like after an intense scene or like maybe you are being humiliated or like
you fall on your knees, like quote mean.

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Also, like when they're done, like you get cuddles and you get cookies after
or something, you know? Sounds nice.
Yeah. Yeah. I can say I have an experienced sub drop. I mean,
I have I was pretty like, you know, freaked out after that one negative experience.
I don't know if I would call that sub drop or trauma, I guess,

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to the timeline, because if you're like consenting to what's happening,
then that would be one thing.
But if you're not consenting to something that's happening, then you need you
need to give yourself aftercare, I guess.
Yeah. Yeah. I would say, you know, crosses the line into trauma.
Yeah, like a job can happen after like it's something that you both totally consented to.

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It's like it's coming down from a high basically. You lightly mentioned humiliation
and I wanted to add that to my list of favorite fetish modeling because I remember
I've had a handful of really enjoyable videos where I was supposed to be like
humiliating the viewer.
Have you done that? I have yeah oh my

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gosh I'm not big on I'm not big on being the
one being humiliated yeah like I
will you know I love doing the submissive stuff but there's a difference between
submission and humiliation yes I don't like I I don't you know I don't do humiliation
I'm not to be a receiver of that but I have done some fun videos humiliating the you know the fan who

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ordered that and okay I'm I
wasn't like so sure about because I'm not naturally like
a dominatrix or anything yeah but I learned
that I can I can play the role well I guess I've gotten some good
feedback on the few that I have done yeah have you
ever worked with the humiliatrix the website no oh

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my god they're so fun I would hella work with them again but
they they basically do all of that like it's like
a husband and wife team and the wife is the one that helps
coach you through like you know what to say kind of
and she really got me into it i was like not sure about
it at the beginning and she was like just tell him that he's a puny little loser
and that he's a small tiny dick he would never pleasure you and you're wasting

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your time even talking to him in this video at all and i was like oh yeah i
can i can do that she's like yeah just think of one of your ex-boyfriends and
shit talk him and make that in your video and i was like oh i can do that for sure.
That's funny like I'm also when I first got those requests
I was like oh I don't want to be mean yeah because

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like the requests I've gotten for that were from like long-time fans that have
been following my work for a long time and and then like I didn't even know
this about them until they found like my only fans and I'm like oh you're open
to doing more you know erotic stuff.
And then they had these requests and it's like I'm used to talking to them like

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super nice and friendly yeah so it
was a little it was a bit of a challenge to like bring that
kind of mean meanness out yeah but then
once I get into it then it's fun like it gets fun to like think of humiliating
tasks for them to do and like one time I one time I asked him I don't remember

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what I'd asked him to do something and he wouldn't do it and so as his punishment he had to
like stick his dick
in a bowl of snow what i make
a video and send it to me yeah it was oh
i don't remember what the first task was but he he couldn't do
it and i think it was like he couldn't do it because of the weather or something it was snowing

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so i'm like okay well you're not allowed to
come then and then and i want you to send me a video of you like a
fucking a bowl of snow know basically oh my god that's funny and then i i think
i asked him to like go to the grocery store and buy a cucumber and a pack of
condoms and nothing else nice yeah so this is like fun things like that oh my god that's so funny.

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Nice oh man that reminds me of another story oh my god and we've got to wrap
this up soon but I've got another story.
I love telling this story. I had a custom request for a guy that wanted me to
sit on cakes and smash cakes all over my ass.

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And when I got this request, I was traveling through Austin,
Texas, and I was staying at a photographer's house.
And this photographer was fetish friendly. He did like rope work himself.
And I just asked him, I was like, Hey, man, somebody asked me
if I can make this cake sitting video and I
was wondering if it's okay if I film it here at your house would

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you be cool with that and he was like sure you can film it in the
lobby area there's tile on the floor so it'll be easy to clean up but I can
help you film it and I was like all right cool and he's like do you need a ride
to the store and like yeah actually so he took me to the grocery store we bought
three cakes and when we were checking out the guy at the checkout lane,

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he looked like he was barely 18 years old, like zit-faced high school-looking
kid. And the photographer was like,
You should tell him what you're going to do with these cakes.
And I looked at the checkout kid, like, right in the eye, and I was like,
I'm going to squish these cakes with my naked ass.
And he turned beet red, and he, like, looked down and away from me like he didn't

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want to look at me anymore. And I was like, oh, shit, now I feel awkward.
And we're walking away out of the store, and I'm like, damn,
did I freak this guy out? I turned around, looked over my shoulder,
and I see that he was laughing as hard as he could with some of his co-workers.
They could not contain themselves. And I was like, all right,
he's not freaked out. It's all good.
He made his day. So it wasn't the actual video that was the highlight.

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It was the process of getting the cakes from the video. Yeah. See?
It's hard. So many good times. Yeah. Have you ever done farting?
No. yeah i can't do that on command yeah i've tried like i've tried doing like
belching and yeah i couldn't do that on command either i i can really let out

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a good belch when i'm good and ready but like on command no i think i can belch on command.
I did it okay i can't
fart on command though and that might be i i think
farting is awesome i love of fart humor but i
don't think i could do it for videos because health wise

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yeah yeah you're either putting air up your ass which can fuck you up or you're
eating shit that makes you fart a lot which could also fuck you up so yeah that's
gonna be on the list of fetishes we don't do yeah i guess like any fetish that
is actually gonna have like health implications.
Yeah yeah i mean obviously there's physical

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injury implications and a lot of the stuff that i do
but i'm a pretty physical active person
and i'm you know willing to take that risk but
yeah the eating farting the
piercing that's a
little too much yeah unless i'm

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really into it you know there have been since i
started this episode in the last hour there have been a few
more people who've chimed in with questions do you have time
yeah okay cool well right
on let me kind of pop through these somebody asked
you have any fetishes of your own and have you
shot them or developed any after shooting yeah

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that's a good question i've been asked that question a few times actually yeah
I guess I don't really consider myself having any fetishes like by the standard
definition of like a certain object or thing non-sexual thing that I need sexually
you know yeah I would say I have more like just have kinks like.

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Being tied up or being spanged or like candle wax is another one like pain play I guess.
Like I enjoy it to a certain level but I don't need
it like I wouldn't say I had the fetish more just
like a kink that I like to explore every now and then yeah
right and actually as I was doing

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research right before we started I like
found the definition that differs what a
fetish is and what a kink is and a
fetish is something that's not typically
sexualized that a person has
a need to have that happen in order for them
to get off like they can't just have vanilla sex like that

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has to be focused on the feet or focused on the balloons or
whatever and a kink is something that somebody likes
that just adds to the sexual experience but
doesn't necessarily need that
kink to occur in order for them to get off so with
those definitions in mind i wouldn't say that i.
Have any fetishes like i mean i do all this

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fetish modeling and like you know ironic
photo shoots and stuff but i'm pretty vanilla in
my regular life you know i'm happy with like
you know what i've got going on in my personal
life i don't i don't need i don't need anything like
that's generally categorized as non-sexual to
be occurring during me having sex with my boyfriend have i developed any i think

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that i've developed more of a fascination towards bondage for sure i don't need
it to be an element in order to get off but maybe it's developed into a kink you know yeah um.
Yeah, I feel like by definition, I feel like most fetishes develop early on in childhood.

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Yeah. Like, it's not something that you can be, like, influenced into developing
later on with, like, a select few things.
Like, I think, you know, there are some studies, and I think,
like, feet is one thing that maybe you can develop later on.
But a lot of the more niche stuff, I feel like you're either into it or you're not.

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Yeah you know or it's just a fun thing to play around
with every now and then yeah so yeah I haven't
really developed any fetishes from
shooting fetish yeah right I
don't I wouldn't say I've developed any specific fetishes
either but I have also wondered if because

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the internet was invented if some people I swear
to god some of these people that are ordering these weird ass videos that
I can't figure out why they're into sharpie markers
or just something that just seems so off the wall I
think some people are literally just ordering custom videos
because they want to see if you'll actually do it not
necessarily that they have a fetish for it you know what I mean yeah I just

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thought those exact same exact same things it's like how ridiculous can we make
this person watch yeah so maybe that's their kink like see how it is that they're
trying to humiliate you And maybe that video could be used for blackmail in
the future. I don't know. Maybe.
Yeah. And that reminds me of another fetish that's on my list of fetishes that I won't do.

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And this is partially inspired by an old friend of mine who did a video like
this, and she was clothed in the video. So the person that ordered the video
wanted her to be wearing clothes.
And they said that their fetish was racial humiliation. So they wanted her to
be racially humiliating him and making racial slurs at him in the video and

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saying a lot of racist stuff because he said it was his fantasy.
But then this person posted the video on YouTube and basically like blackmailed her.
Wow. Yeah. Because she was not naked, it could be public on YouTube.
So she was like, damn, I thought I was making this video privately for your

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secret fantasy and that you liked this.
And she didn't have any idea that he might be trying to publicly shame her. Wow. Yeah.
I won't indulge any of the race play either.
Either towards someone else or.

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Towards me like and obviously i'm half i'm half
filipino so i get i'm fetishized a lot for
being exotic or asian not one fetish that
i won't you know play into yeah totally somebody asks is it normal to be asked
to gag or drool for fetish shoots yeah i would say that's pretty normal yeah

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pretty much if you have a gag you're gonna drool yeah and a lot of times yeah
i do i'll I'll exaggerate the drool.
I'll get real slobbery and make sure it drools out of my mouth.
That's pretty common, I feel. One person asked, how do you get comfortable if
the fetish involves the photographer touching you, i.e. shibari?

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Yeah, so I feel like we kind of touched on that. For me, if I don't have already
developed a personal relationship with the person tying me as a tying partner,
then I just want them to put the rope on me in a very straightforward, casual, platonic...
Yeah, and I have run across this myself too because for the longest time before

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doing a lot of rope modeling, I
had a boundary where I'm not allowing the photographer to touch me at all.
But then I realized for certain things like, you know, body paint,
electrical tape or bonded shibari stuff, like they have to touch you because
they have to put these items on you or tie you and involves hands.

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So I did become more open to the idea of it if that person's references checked out.
And then I ended up doing more like damsel in distress and stuff where,
you know, they're pretend terrorizing you like they rip your shirt open and they grab your boobs.
And I have done that. And I have consented in advance to that.

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We're like, okay, I'm okay to grab my boobs, but you can't grab my crotch.
You know, you just tell them what you're okay with.
And as long as the boundaries are respected for the sake of the content,
I've done it. But for me, in the last few years, I've sort of phased out of
doing damsel in distress type bondage, not really because of the touchy stuff.

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Like, you know, I didn't feel like my boundaries were being crossed in that sense.
But with the damsel struggling and ropes and like acting like you're afraid
and like, all that and having a gag in your mouth,
it was causing me to have lockjaw after a while of struggling with a gag in
my mouth and having my own arms tied behind my back and struggling on the carpet

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was causing my right rotator cuff to become injured.
And every time now that I have my arms tied behind my back, it always like aggravates my right shoulder.
So I've sort of, you know, kind of held back on doing at least damsel shoots
that involved me to be struggling on video.
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely hard on your body. Yeah, it can be.

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But, yeah, I'd say, like, if you're not comfortable being touched,
then don't do it, you know? Yeah.
Well, I feel like we've covered a lot of, like, everything fetish modeling related.
We touched on the, like, photography genre a little bit.
I don't know if there's too much more to touch on about

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that because it kind of the latex fashion
also you know crosses over into glamour
and whatever high fashion type and that's like cool but like the fun stuff is
like always the more niche unique stuff right yeah yeah i guess like yeah the
only thing that i had was thinking about is just like like the stigma of it oh yeah,

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like shooting this stuff doesn't mean that that's all we shoot or like we're
not incapable of being artistic and yeah that sort of thing like it's just like one of the many things.
Multifaceted multi-talented and it is a lot of acting so like i can i can pull off demure you know,

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artsy serious artsy model as well
as you know this fun fetishy stuff yeah and
the acting part of it I mean it's serious like it like there are a lot of times
when I first started doing fetish modeling on video where it was hard to not
kind of crack up or it was hard to act because I I couldn't take it seriously

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because I thought it was so funny like me being a giantess and
terrorizing these figurines of tiny men, like they're in a, that kind of a thing.
I like, but the more that I did it, the more I understood, like that the viewer
was like really into this.
And so I, you have to kind of put yourself into the mind of the,

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the viewer who's into it, you know, and, and once you can get into that mindset,
you know, like it's, it is acting like Like you are playing a role.
But what you brought up about the stigma of it, though, like,
yeah, I mean, I feel like I've been stigmatized in the modeling world in a lot of different ways.
And the fetish and bondage industry is just one of the things.

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Doing open leg modeling automatically kind of puts me in a category of erotic
model where a lot of artistic photographers assume that I can't do artistic
stuff because I did this other thing that they don't find artistic.
You know but that's just a lie like people can
be multi-dimensional and i don't want to work with people

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who are gonna stick up their ass like that anyway yeah yeah
fetish modeling's fun like you know what there's probably a fetish for that
yeah totally yeah but i mean i understand how you know people have their perception
of what their work is and they might assume that if they

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photographed a porn star in an artistic way than other photographers might.
Look at them in some kind of a weird way for photographing somebody
that does porn but i mean i don't i don't
i just don't think that that's like necessary at all you know i think any anybody
can do art anybody can do porn it's just up to what you want to create at the

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time right and for what purpose yeah yeah so yeah i i should note that if anybody
else there has a financial
domination fetish you should hit up me or Raven
oh yeah oh yeah I didn't even
touch on that I've done I've done some of that oh yeah oh man
I've not been good at that yeah that one's

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hard you know it's hard to it's hard to like tell the line of being too aggressive
or not aggressive enough I had a guy hit me up on my Facebook fan page once
and he said that he had a financial financial domination fetish.
And I was like, oh my God, this is my chance.

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I've been waiting for a FinDom guy to hit me up for years. And I was like,
yeah, I'm going to cash in on this.
And I blew it. I super blew it. He gave me the login for his Amazon and he told
me to add stuff to my shopping cart and then buy it.
And we were chatting on Facebook while I was doing this. I was logged into his

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account and I was adding all this stuff to my shopping cart.
And something now and i was like hang on man i'm still
shopping and then he changed the password
so when i went to go check out i guess i
waited too long to buy stuff and i
was like shit i should have changed his password i
wasn't conniving enough so in the end i just if

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i was more conniving i would have been great but it's
hard it's hard when you're like naturally a nice person yeah exactly
yeah i've had a couple that were successful for a while but yeah it's it's definitely
like hard it's hard to know if you're being mean enough or too mean yeah but

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if you're out there give me another chance i will drain your wallet,
yeah sweet all right raven we've done so many good day questions and answers
and i feel I feel really, really confident this is going to be a popular episode.
Yeah, this is fun. I love talking about this stuff.

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Hell yeah. Sweet. Well, I will catch you on the other side.
Music.