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Shahid Durrani welcomes real estate investor, founder of Metros Capital, and host of the Nick Halaris Show to the Super Entrepreneurs Podcast. In this powerful episode, Nick opens up about his three-stage journey of success—from chasing wealth blindly to building it with purpose—and how aligning his mission changed everything.
Nick shares deeply personal stories about intuition, mindset, and how ignoring that “gut feeling” almost cost him everything. Together with Shahid, they explore spiritual entrepreneurship, building legacy through capitalism, and trusting inner awareness in decision-making—personally and professionally.
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Get rich no matter what phase.
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I wanted to become rich and put myselfin a different level in society,
and that was what I was focused on.
You don't have to wait untilyou're rich and successful to start
trying to live an authentic life.
What about intuition?
Can you speak about that?
Do you rely on your gutinstincts and your deals?
I absolutely believe inthe power of intuition.
The areas in my life where I got myself,you know, sort of almost in trouble or
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got myself into a legal nasty legal battlewas when I didn't trust my intuition.
Are you trying to thinkyour way out of everything?
I get it.
I am a recovering overthinker two,but here's what I have learned.
Your heart actually processesmore information than your brain.
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I know it sounds weird, but it changedhow I approach success completely.
And I explained the wholething in a free training.
Check it out in the description below.
Welcome back to SuperEntrepreneurs Podcast.
I'm your host, Shahid De.
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The show where we dive intothe minds of high performing,
high net worth entrepreneurs,innovators, world-class leaders.
If you're someone who's always lookingto grow, push limits, think and do
bigger, you're in the right place.
Today we have with us Nick h Nick.
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He's the president of Metro's Capital,a successful investor real estate.
Expert and a host of the Nick HShow where he sits down with people
shaping the world in meaningful ways.
He's also the writer of ProfitPlus a newsletter that breaks down
how to achieve financial freedomwhile contributing to greater.
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Cause so my friend, it is absolutely apleasure to have you on the show, Chad.
Thank you so much, man.
I'm excited to have this conversationand appreciate the opportunity to
be here and and share my story.
Yeah, no, no, it's great.
I love amplifying you guys as muchas we can and I feel that as I grow,
I will make every effort to kind of.
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Bring as many, uh, whoever is on theshow to amplify them even further.
Because the beautiful thingabout podcasting is that it's
is in a way evergreen, right?
Once you do the episode, it shows up.
It keeps showing upfor, for years to come.
So that's the exciting part.
We'll look different, but the content willstill hopefully help people in some way.
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And we're usually talking abouta lot of the driving forces
that entrepreneurs experience.
But before we dive in, Iwanted to share a quick.
Piece of my journey if,if you don't mind, no.
That might relate to,to you and what you do.
You know, I didn't have a straightpath into entrepreneurship like many.
Right?
I actually started off prettylost, no direction, just chasing
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shiny objects all the time.
But I always had this pull, thisinner voice that said, I'm, I
was meant for something more.
And that guidance always protectedme from, uh, severe issues and good.
Things and it was always there.
I just didn't know what it was until,you know, more recently that I started
practicing and working with it, but ithelped me multiply the clinic that I
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was in before many different things.
It's not even a voice, it's morelike a of a drive, a little push.
So I just had this vision.
I just wanted to go forit, but it was very messy.
You know, the internalworld was very messy for me.
But then until COVID hit,then everything just crashed.
And that's actually was my beginning, Ifeel like, for my life, because that's
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when I realized I had to go within.
It was my beginning ofthe mindset awakening.
It really resonated with me.
Your mission aboutbuilding wealth, but about.
You know, leaving a legacy,doing good in the world, not
just for ourselves, but others.
So that was very, very special to mewhen I saw your name come on a schedule.
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And was there something that youalso went through in your life
to realize this crucial part?
Yeah, absolutely, man.
And I appreciate you, you know, sharingat least a, a snippet of your own journey.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah, I, I feel like.
In this country here in America, butreally all over the world, there's
this incredible cultural pull and pushthat is yelling at young people at the
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top of its voice, saying like, Hey,what you have to do is be successful.
You gotta get rich.
That's where you want to be.
It's on our phones, it's on social media.
It's literally, and it everywhere.
It's only in our, in our sort ofgeneration, our lifetime, it's
just gotten more and more amped up.
And so I. I'm someone who sortof partially fell prey to it, but
thankfully had, you know, the benefitof good upbringing and, and some luck
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and some good mentors and I didn't goall the way into it and kind of like
end up in midlife where I'm not at,where I'm now in, in a total mess.
Like I, I managed to kind ofnavigate through it, but I made
some mistakes along the way.
And I had an awakening similar toyou, um, several different types of
awakenings and that sort of spurredme to do what I'm doing now with
the content creation and whatnot.
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Yeah.
The newsletter.
And the podcast.
But yeah, like I, I, I've beenthinking about this a lot because I.
I've been going on more podcastsand I'm, I'm trying to describe it,
but let me try to give you a cliffnotes 'cause I don't want to take
forever because it's a long story.
But I kind of dividing my life up intothree phases, or at least my adult life.
There was the phase that I had asa very young adult, which was the,
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uh, get rich no matter what phase.
This is like earlytwenties to early thirties.
Mm-hmm.
Decade.
Yes.
Fully infected with the ethos andmythology of the American Dream
and what was going on around me.
And I absolutely wasgoing for it like that.
That was what I was focused on.
And I wanted to go from where I was.
You know, I started off with, withnothing and 250,000 of student loans.
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And I wanted to change that.
I wanted to become rich and put myselfin a different level in society,
and that was what I was focused on.
And then in the middleof that journey I had.
Ran into some really stressfulbusiness situations that caused
me to have my first awakening.
And then I went into a new phaseof my career, which, which I call,
you know, get rich the right way.
And so I kind of danced on the linebecause of some partnership issues
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and some stupid business decisionsdanced on the line of where, you know,
I could have gotten myself in realtrouble had I made, you know, one tiny
decision in a different direction.
We could be, I could be talking abouta totally different story whether
I, you know, either went bankruptor got myself in serious legal
trouble, but thank God I didn't.
And so that characterized anotherfour or five years of activity for me.
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C in the, in the gr get rich theright way, which is like, okay, I'm
gonna fix all these mistakes, resolveall these legal issues, and, and get
myself onto a more peaceful path.
And then it right around the same time,it sounds like you did in the COVID era.
Mm-hmm.
I realized that I had to take it a stepfor further, and I had to sort of make.
The mission, the priority and putaside this American dream mythology.
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And even, even though I still,I, I still believe in the idea
of pursuing financial success.
It's no longer what I'm really focused on.
I'm focused on the mission.
It's just to help people to do this in theway that I kind of, I stumbled through.
So long story short, that's how I'm,no, it's beautiful thinking about it.
Yeah, no, it's very, veryspecial to me to hear that story
because I can relate to it.
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And it was very similar forme to have those phases.
And I think it is for most people,we go through these phases.
We, we we're always changing, right?
Changes inevitable.
Like my late mentor wouldsay, change is inevitable, but
personal development is a choice.
And Bob Proctor.
And you know, just going throughthose phases when we're in
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it, we feel like that's it.
That's the world, that's life.
Our perception of life and other people.
And then we get consumed intoit, and then some shifts happen.
Paradigm shifts happen thatwe go into different route.
I feel like COVID was a big paradigmshift for many, many people.
You start.
Hearing professionals speak aboutmindset, internal world and belief
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system, and how they see themselves.
And my focus was always thatlike you, it was always money.
Like I just wanted to do itand I was for a good why.
I. For my family, but wheneveryou put something on a
pedestal, it just goes away.
You know?
It goes further away from you, right?
When you already feel abundant, thatyou feel oneness with everything in
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nature, in the universe, when youfeel one with it, there is no s.
Anymore, so there's no moreneediness anymore, right?
So that way of a peaceful living andcreating from that state of calmness,
it changes the entire dynamics ofthe game of life and business, which
you are doing right now out there.
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Like going on these tours, sharingyour message, you're doing that
for people because there's so manyout there still maybe stuck in that
phase and creating more chaos thannecessary to step back, go within,
start working on the internal world.
I honestly see it beinga mirror to the outside.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's well said.
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Yeah.
I feel like if you looked around at leastWestern civilization, Western culture,
you see all kinds of people who I. Come tothis realization, maybe too late in life.
I ran across this quite a bit in themiddle of that journey that I described
to you where you meet some olderindividual who's phenomenally successful
on paper, but not actually living theirbest life, not living an authentic life,
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having all kinds of ancillary issues,you know, failed personal relationships
and or not even just happy, right?
Generally, yeah.
Or generally unhappy.
And then they comment and then, and sothe, the sort of typical pattern that
I noticed was essentially like afterschool, at least people pursued success.
And if you were lucky enough to getsuccess, I feel like most people get to
a place where they realize the emptinessthat comes with that, and then they
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start to look outside and say, oh,I, you know what I want to give back.
And so they do.
Charitable activities and what I realizedin my own experience in observing
this is that you don't have to wait.
You don't have to wait until you'rerich and successful to start trying
to live an authentic life and starttrying to like reorient your activities
to where the main focus of yourday is trying to help other people.
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Or trying to contribute to your communityor trying to make the world a better
place, you can do that right away.
You don't have to wait to be able to namea, uh, university building after yourself.
That's sort of like the wor, that'slike the worst idea is to live a
horrible life and then do it at the end.
You should do it all along way.
And that's what I've been tryingto encourage people to do.
Yes, yes.
It's so true.
You know, it's like when Ido this, that's when I'll do
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that, you know, kind of thing.
It's always a means to an end, really.
You can design and create thatin the present moment, you know,
you can bring the fulfillment.
Now just have to shift theperception, you know, how you see
life and business and other people.
And when you make that shift,it, it, it definitely will.
There's no doubt that it createscalmness that translates in
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other people's lives, right?
Is starting from within without,you know, when you work on yourself,
you can help other people more.
Going to Africa to build a school forthe less fortunate, it's a great purpose.
And like you mentioned, a lot of these,uh, individuals get to a certain level and
they're trying to find that fulfillment.
It say, okay, I need to give back now.
You know, so maybethat's what I need to do.
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I'll feel better and I'll start, you know,creating these schools, creating these
philanthropy, which are great, obviously.
Right?
But they're trying to searchfor that, and sometimes it
feels like it's still missing.
There's something missing.
Yeah, totally.
I started to believe in something,maybe it sounds kind of crazy,
but I, I believe it's true, likea natural law of capitalism, which
is that in capitalism you can't.
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Extract more than you contribute.
Mm-hmm.
So if you think about that, like in atypical business transaction, like the
goal of a business transaction isn't tolike maximize your returns versus the
person that you're working with is tocreate some kind of co beneficial moment.
And so what happens to people isthey think capitalism is about
winning and about accumulatingcapital, which it sort of is.
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But a better way to think about it is tosay, I'm gonna contribute so much that,
yeah, wealth may accrue to me, but it'snot more than what I've contributed.
Once you kind of have that mindset,then you can start to see how
capitalism is consistent with theprinciples of psychology and peak
human performance and all the thingsthat are exciting, self-help, things
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that people get excited about.
Capitalism is actually consistent with it.
If you take that mindset.
So at the end of the day,it is driven by the mindset.
Yeah.
How we look at it.
Right.
You know, it's the perception.
Yeah.
So what about intuition?
Can you speak about that?
Do you rely on your gutinstincts and your deals?
Obviously you're doing the data, obviouslyyou're doing the underwriting, you're
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looking at the numbers, but is your levelof that gut instinct that you rely on?
I absolutely believe inthe power of intuition.
In fact, actually Good.
The areas in my life where.
I got myself, you know, sort ofalmost in trouble or got myself into
a legal, nasty legal battle withthat was really unnecessary, was
when I didn't trust my intuition.
Yes.
You know, and so like you, youget these signals, you get these
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really powerful signals inside.
Yeah, hey, this person reallyisn't aligned with you.
Yeah.
Are you sure you want to do this?
Yeah.
And then you rationalize, yeah, Ineed to do it because I want to, I
need, yeah, I need need to close.
I need to get that money.
I need to get that money.
You get those revenues.
Yeah.
Every time I found myself in adifficult business situation, it is a
hundred percent hit rate that earlierin the process, I had some intuition
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that I just ignored, and I'm tryingmy best right now to like really
keep that channel open because Yeah.
One of the things thatI, I started to realize.
In that middle phase of mylife when I was, you know,
really struggling with this.
Mass I had created for myself was thatI believe you damage your intuition,
the power of it or the, the way inwhich it can communicate to you and
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get deepest level when you ignore it.
And so if you just ignore,ignore, ignore, ignore.
Eventually your intuition is gonna stopsending you the appropriate signal.
And so now I'm trying to do theexact opposite, which is like.
Really trust that gut feelingbecause I want to keep that open.
I want to keep an authenticconnection to whatever power that is.
I have no idea what that is.
Yeah, it's one, it's one ofthose mysteries of life, but
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it's incredibly accurate.
It's accurate.
It's very, very accurate.
Yeah, very like every situation in my.
Past that saved me was for thatlittle unique type of a feeling.
And the, and the way I tell peoplehow to figure that out is you
just try to be more self-aware.
Initially, obviously it shouldbe a lifestyle, but becoming
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more self-aware in the past of.
Decisions you made, the onesthat you made that got you
something you know further ahead.
Was there a feeling involved, you know,or something that you saved yourself from?
Was there a feeling thatcaused that decision to happen,
that you made that decision?
And by connecting those dots, you canreally quickly find out that message that.
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Voice that style.
I don't, there's no wordI can explain for it.
It is just that specialfeeling, I guess you could say.
To get used to it.
To understand it.
And you are 110% correct in my world,from my point of view of what you're
saying about the ignoring part.
'cause I tested it even deeperbecause the stuff like you mentioned,
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how you would get an indication todo something or take an action, an
inspired action, just an example.
You will take that action or don'ttake that action purely based on the
thoughts or the past experiences thatyou make that decision and you ignore it.
Ignore that part because yourthoughts, the overthinking is telling
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you, no, no, we gotta do this.
We're gonna make it happen.
We're gonna make it happen.
We ignoring the help.
Decreases.
But when help comes and we followthat inspired action, say, okay, from
tomorrow, you need to make a videoevery single day for the next 30 days.
No stoppages, for example.
You know there's no blocks.
You gotta do that consistently.
And you hear that messagecome in and you ignore it.
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You don't do it.
I notice that the ideas or thepushes or the the feelings that
you get to do certain things,inspire things, they decrease.
And when you start actually listening.
And you're following and you'reasking for more internally.
See, now I'm ready for more.
See, I'm doing this.
And the more you're going into theflow and the momentum, when you start
causing that momentum, it starts feelinglike you are completely not alone.
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Here.
There's something, there's so muchmore greater than you can ever imagine.
That's with you, flowingwith you, you know?
If that makes sense.
Yeah, I, I totally believe in that.
Yeah.
I feel like e even I've been tryingto do it even at like this micro
level where I'll get like a, yeah.
I'll get like an intuition where itsays, try to think of a concrete example
of something that happened recently.
Oh, a friend of mine is involved in aphenomenally successful movie, Minecraft.
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He was, he actually producedMinecraft and uh, the one that's,
is it coming out right now?
Is out right now?
Yeah.
Which, oh, my kids are talkingabout that they wanna see.
No way.
That's awesome, man.
Yeah, and, and, um, you shouldsee that don't come on the show.
I will, I will.
He's, he was on my podcast.
He's a really fun guy.
Yeah, I would love it ifyou could introduce us.
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That'll be awesome, man.
Okay.
And take the kids.
I, I took my kids this weekend.
It's super fun.
I will.
Okay, so I just thought of thisas an example because I know
how hard he worked on that.
He actually worked almost 17, 18years on that he had this, the rights
for it, the script, all this stuff.
And I saw that it was blowingup, you know, doing great,
you know, huge ticket sales.
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And I just sent him a nice message.
I got this intuition.
I'm like, you know what?
I should send John a message.
I sent him a message and we had agreat back and forth as a result of it.
There was no, no goal in mind.
It was literally just like my intuitionwas like, man, you should let John know.
You know that you know howwell this is doing, and you
know, tell him congratulations.
And so I try to keep that level ofconnection with my intuition Oakland,
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because you know, you'll be takinga shower, you'll think of a family
member, or you'll be driving inyour car, you'll think of something
you need to say to your kids.
And if the more you listen toit, I feel like the more kind of
attuned you are to whatever rhythmis going on in your life Yes.
And the energies of your life.
Not to get all like woo and spiritual,but I really, I believe there's something
to it and it, it helps you in business.
Like for people who aremore practical minded.
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Mm-hmm.
This awareness stuff that you'vebeen talking about, uh, and that
you mentioned on this part, thisawareness stuff is like the most
important thing you could get good at.
Most important.
Yeah.
It's the foundation.
It's the foundation because you can'toperate, you can't even see opportunity.
If you're not aware.
You can't even see what's in front of you.
'cause your, your brain haslike co-opted your whole system.
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I. And you're just thinking about yourto-do list or whatever you're thinking
about past, future, something, right?
You're you're all over the place.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So yeah, the awareness, thefoundation, it feels like the, where
everything is emanating from that.
Right.
And the more you spend timein that and the more you stop
taking thoughts so seriously.
And that was a. Big game changer.
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For me it was the most difficult'cause like, you know, they say when
you're in it, you don't realize it.
So when you're in that con continuousthought patterns, you don't realize it.
Right?
But when with meditation, with work likethis internal work, you can kind of create
that gap and you start realizing, I.A function, you know, everything has a
reason, but the stories it makes up andthe stuff it tries to make you believe
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about what others are thinking about you.
And or, you know, someone might bein a party and they innocently said
something purely truly from their heart.
They just said something,but you took it personal.
You know, because the thought tells youthat there's something they're attacking.
Then you start exploding on thatperson and the person's like shocked.
They don't know.
But in reality, that person that exploded,he's also from that awareness, he's
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from that pure love, from that calmness.
The only reason why he kind of burstit out was because of, you know, the
thoughts, what they do sometimes.
Right.
So just being aware of that.
There's a. Complete freedomin that on top of it, right?
And then from there, you know, trustingthe intuition throughout or trusting
God, you may say in a religious senseor you know, in scientific sense you
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could say like the quantum realm,whatever, but there's something there.
There's something there.
And another thing I do Ilike to do is the yes or no.
I don't know if you heard of it, the yesor no, you, you know, some kind of task.
Part of my, uh, momentum Acceleratorsupervisor is on my social media.
Whoever goes, you find it through abreadcrumbs, you end up on a landing page.
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It's a free guide, is highly valuable.
I just give it to people andto help them just to get.
The momentum going, it's in there as well.
But what you could do is you, thereare mul many other games in there as
well that I added, but they're fun.
You could do it with your kids,you could do it, uh, on your own.
But this one thing is, say you havesomething to do or a task for that
specific day that is important or it'snot important, whatever it could be.
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Anything you can ask.
With internally, you know, should I do it?
And then you first, if you step backfirst, you have to understand what the
yes feels like and the no feels like.
So you just have to internally ask,you say, show me what no feels like.
And you'll get a little,little twist in your gut.
You know, you'll get this other awkwardfeeling is different to different people.
And then you say, what does yes feel like?
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And then you'll feel thisother type of feeling.
And you could do it as fast as right nowactually, if you practice it enough, the
yes or no, you start understanding both.
The communication, so then you canstart doing it in a micro events
like you said, right, should Igo left or right, for example, or
should I get making small decisions?
You can start practicing in it and thenseeing the outcomes and you know, there's
a lot of, a lot of things that you can dothat you can start having that trust in
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you because you don't need anybody else.
We don't need any other.
Podcast, you know, all consumingcontent on YouTube all the time.
We honestly just need to focus onour internal world and everything
that we desire will become availableif we have that focus with faith.
I like that idea and that, that, thatpractice sounds really useful because
what it does is it's just another wayto create that space, like you mentioned
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earlier, like your thoughts will just run.
Yeah.
And when you have awareness.
Yeah.
What you realize is that like 99% ofthem are things that you shouldn't pay
attention to, and then occasionallyyour intuition is in there is like
one out of a hundred messages.
Is your intuition, like all thenegative stuff, obviously like mm-hmm.
Anger and greed and jealousy,like your mind would go jealousy.
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Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Craziness.
And then there'll be some good in there.
And then what, you know what, what thepsychologist figure out in the 20th
century, like most famously, the ViktorFrankl figured out in the in Auschwitz,
you know, when he was ready, you know,coming up with how to survive that
situation is that you have this power.
When people talk about freedom, that'sthe freedom that we're talking about.
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You have the power to decidefor yourself, but it requires.
It requires this deep, deepmoment to moment awareness.
'cause you have to even, you have toknow what you're even facing before
you can make a decision about it.
Hmm.
And for someone who's not interested inthis topic, it's kind of hard to describe
all this stuff, but for someone who'seven like sipped at the, well, they
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get super excited and can, you couldtalk about, you could do like a 10 hour
podcast with them about this subject.
Yeah.
You get it.
It's interesting.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's definitely,that's a really good point.
You know, when you can speak about thisin an environment or a gathering, it
was just the eyes will just roll, right?
Because it makes no sense.
But the people that have somesort of an idea, they get lashed
on so quick, they're, they'reall excited because it resonates.
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They realize there's something andyou, no one can stop the truth.
When you feel somethingfeels good, you know it.
You know it, you know, and then whenyou know it, you just keep taking
action unless the thoughts convinceyou otherwise, and then you don't,
you drop it and years later mightbe ready and then you realize it.
For me, it was a similar, peoplewere coming to me telling me these
things in my entrepreneurshipjourney, or I thought it was all woo.
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I thought it was just the individualmight need to look at other things.
He's, he's wasting his time.
Like that was the perception of thoseprofessionals that were coming to me.
But it was only later when things hitme and they came back, said, we're that.
Is probably what you need.
You know, that's probably what youneed to work on your inner world.
And it was, I'm so grateful because itdoesn't mean if you're not ready right
now to understand that doesn't mean lateron when the time is ready, you might
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be jumping on this, who knows, right?
Yep.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So for viewers on YouTube,please drop a comment.
When was the last time your.
Gut led you to a bold decision.
Appreciate you guys.
Thank you for joining us today,and thank you so much my friend.
And keep in touch, Nick.
It was great talking to you.
Like you said, we couldtalk about this stuff ever.
(24:24):
So I definitely want to continuethis relationship because
there's so much alignment here.
You know, we could do things together, wecould do a live together on LinkedIn, talk
about this stuff, even events, who knows?
You know, there's always opportunitywhere we can collaborate on this topic.
Yeah, thanks Chad.
I really enjoyed this conversation and um.
Definitely open to all that.
Thanks for having me.
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I absolutely believe inthe power of intuition.
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Cause so my friend, it is absolutely apleasure to have you on the show, Chad.
Thank you so much, man.
I'm excited to have this conversationand appreciate the opportunity to
be here and and share my story.
Yeah, no, no, it's great.
I love amplifying you guys as muchas we can and I feel that as I grow,
I will make every effort to kind of.
(02:14):
Bring as many, uh, whoever is on theshow to amplify them even further.
Because the beautiful thingabout podcasting is that it's
is in a way evergreen, right?
Once you do the episode, it shows up.
It keeps showing upfor, for years to come.
So that's the exciting part.
We'll look different, but the content willstill hopefully help people in some way.
(02:34):
And we're usually talking abouta lot of the driving forces
that entrepreneurs experience.
But before we dive in, Iwanted to share a quick.
Piece of my journey if,if you don't mind, no.
That might relate to,to you and what you do.
You know, I didn't have a straightpath into entrepreneurship like many.
Right?
I actually started off prettylost, no direction, just chasing
(02:57):
shiny objects all the time.
But I always had this pull, thisinner voice that said, I'm, I
was meant for something more.
And that guidance always protectedme from, uh, severe issues and good.
Things and it was always there.
I just didn't know what it was until,you know, more recently that I started
practicing and working with it, but ithelped me multiply the clinic that I
(03:18):
was in before many different things.
It's not even a voice, it's morelike a of a drive, a little push.
So I just had this vision.
I just wanted to go forit, but it was very messy.
You know, the internalworld was very messy for me.
But then until COVID hit,then everything just crashed.
And that's actually was my beginning, Ifeel like, for my life, because that's
(03:39):
when I realized I had to go within.
It was my beginning ofthe mindset awakening.
It really resonated with me.
Your mission aboutbuilding wealth, but about.
You know, leaving a legacy,doing good in the world, not
just for ourselves, but others.
So that was very, very special to mewhen I saw your name come on a schedule.
(04:00):
And was there something that youalso went through in your life
to realize this crucial part?
Yeah, absolutely, man.
And I appreciate you, you know, sharingat least a, a snippet of your own journey.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah, I, I feel like.
In this country here in America, butreally all over the world, there's
this incredible cultural pull and pushthat is yelling at young people at the
(04:23):
top of its voice, saying like, Hey,what you have to do is be successful.
You gotta get rich.
That's where you want to be.
It's on our phones, it's on social media.
It's literally, and it everywhere.
It's only in our, in our sort ofgeneration, our lifetime, it's
just gotten more and more amped up.
And so I. I'm someone who sortof partially fell prey to it, but
thankfully had, you know, the benefitof good upbringing and, and some luck
(04:46):
and some good mentors and I didn't goall the way into it and kind of like
end up in midlife where I'm not at,where I'm now in, in a total mess.
Like I, I managed to kind ofnavigate through it, but I made
some mistakes along the way.
And I had an awakening similar toyou, um, several different types of
awakenings and that sort of spurredme to do what I'm doing now with
the content creation and whatnot.
(05:08):
Yeah.
The newsletter.
And the podcast.
But yeah, like I, I, I've beenthinking about this a lot because I.
I've been going on more podcastsand I'm, I'm trying to describe it,
but let me try to give you a cliffnotes 'cause I don't want to take
forever because it's a long story.
But I kind of dividing my life up intothree phases, or at least my adult life.
There was the phase that I had asa very young adult, which was the,
(05:29):
uh, get rich no matter what phase.
This is like earlytwenties to early thirties.
Mm-hmm.
Decade.
Yes.
Fully infected with the ethos andmythology of the American Dream
and what was going on around me.
And I absolutely wasgoing for it like that.
That was what I was focused on.
And I wanted to go from where I was.
You know, I started off with, withnothing and 250,000 of student loans.
(05:51):
And I wanted to change that.
I wanted to become rich and put myselfin a different level in society,
and that was what I was focused on.
And then in the middleof that journey I had.
Ran into some really stressfulbusiness situations that caused
me to have my first awakening.
And then I went into a new phaseof my career, which, which I call,
you know, get rich the right way.
And so I kind of danced on the linebecause of some partnership issues
(06:14):
and some stupid business decisionsdanced on the line of where, you know,
I could have gotten myself in realtrouble had I made, you know, one tiny
decision in a different direction.
We could be, I could be talking abouta totally different story whether
I, you know, either went bankruptor got myself in serious legal
trouble, but thank God I didn't.
And so that characterized anotherfour or five years of activity for me.
(06:34):
C in the, in the gr get rich theright way, which is like, okay, I'm
gonna fix all these mistakes, resolveall these legal issues, and, and get
myself onto a more peaceful path.
And then it right around the same time,it sounds like you did in the COVID era.
Mm-hmm.
I realized that I had to take it a stepfor further, and I had to sort of make.
The mission, the priority and putaside this American dream mythology.
(06:57):
And even, even though I still,I, I still believe in the idea
of pursuing financial success.
It's no longer what I'm really focused on.
I'm focused on the mission.
It's just to help people to do this in theway that I kind of, I stumbled through.
So long story short, that's how I'm,no, it's beautiful thinking about it.
Yeah, no, it's very, veryspecial to me to hear that story
because I can relate to it.
(07:17):
And it was very similar forme to have those phases.
And I think it is for most people,we go through these phases.
We, we we're always changing, right?
Changes inevitable.
Like my late mentor wouldsay, change is inevitable, but
personal development is a choice.
And Bob Proctor.
And you know, just going throughthose phases when we're in
(07:39):
it, we feel like that's it.
That's the world, that's life.
Our perception of life and other people.
And then we get consumed intoit, and then some shifts happen.
Paradigm shifts happen thatwe go into different route.
I feel like COVID was a big paradigmshift for many, many people.
You start.
Hearing professionals speak aboutmindset, internal world and belief
(08:01):
system, and how they see themselves.
And my focus was always thatlike you, it was always money.
Like I just wanted to do itand I was for a good why.
I. For my family, but wheneveryou put something on a
pedestal, it just goes away.
You know?
It goes further away from you, right?
When you already feel abundant, thatyou feel oneness with everything in
(08:23):
nature, in the universe, when youfeel one with it, there is no s.
Anymore, so there's no moreneediness anymore, right?
So that way of a peaceful living andcreating from that state of calmness,
it changes the entire dynamics ofthe game of life and business, which
you are doing right now out there.
(08:43):
Like going on these tours, sharingyour message, you're doing that
for people because there's so manyout there still maybe stuck in that
phase and creating more chaos thannecessary to step back, go within,
start working on the internal world.
I honestly see it beinga mirror to the outside.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's well said.
(09:04):
Yeah.
I feel like if you looked around at leastWestern civilization, Western culture,
you see all kinds of people who I. Come tothis realization, maybe too late in life.
I ran across this quite a bit in themiddle of that journey that I described
to you where you meet some olderindividual who's phenomenally successful
on paper, but not actually living theirbest life, not living an authentic life,
(09:27):
having all kinds of ancillary issues,you know, failed personal relationships
and or not even just happy, right?
Generally, yeah.
Or generally unhappy.
And then they comment and then, and sothe, the sort of typical pattern that
I noticed was essentially like afterschool, at least people pursued success.
And if you were lucky enough to getsuccess, I feel like most people get to
a place where they realize the emptinessthat comes with that, and then they
(09:50):
start to look outside and say, oh,I, you know what I want to give back.
And so they do.
Charitable activities and what I realizedin my own experience in observing
this is that you don't have to wait.
You don't have to wait until you'rerich and successful to start trying
to live an authentic life and starttrying to like reorient your activities
to where the main focus of yourday is trying to help other people.
(10:10):
Or trying to contribute to your communityor trying to make the world a better
place, you can do that right away.
You don't have to wait to be able to namea, uh, university building after yourself.
That's sort of like the wor, that'slike the worst idea is to live a
horrible life and then do it at the end.
You should do it all along way.
And that's what I've been tryingto encourage people to do.
Yes, yes.
It's so true.
You know, it's like when Ido this, that's when I'll do
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that, you know, kind of thing.
It's always a means to an end, really.
You can design and create thatin the present moment, you know,
you can bring the fulfillment.
Now just have to shift theperception, you know, how you see
life and business and other people.
And when you make that shift,it, it, it definitely will.
There's no doubt that it createscalmness that translates in
(10:54):
other people's lives, right?
Is starting from within without,you know, when you work on yourself,
you can help other people more.
Going to Africa to build a school forthe less fortunate, it's a great purpose.
And like you mentioned, a lot of these,uh, individuals get to a certain level and
they're trying to find that fulfillment.
It say, okay, I need to give back now.
You know, so maybethat's what I need to do.
(11:16):
I'll feel better and I'll start, you know,creating these schools, creating these
philanthropy, which are great, obviously.
Right?
But they're trying to searchfor that, and sometimes it
feels like it's still missing.
There's something missing.
Yeah, totally.
I started to believe in something,maybe it sounds kind of crazy,
but I, I believe it's true, likea natural law of capitalism, which
is that in capitalism you can't.
(11:37):
Extract more than you contribute.
Mm-hmm.
So if you think about that, like in atypical business transaction, like the
goal of a business transaction isn't tolike maximize your returns versus the
person that you're working with is tocreate some kind of co beneficial moment.
And so what happens to people isthey think capitalism is about
winning and about accumulatingcapital, which it sort of is.
(11:58):
But a better way to think about it is tosay, I'm gonna contribute so much that,
yeah, wealth may accrue to me, but it'snot more than what I've contributed.
Once you kind of have that mindset,then you can start to see how
capitalism is consistent with theprinciples of psychology and peak
human performance and all the thingsthat are exciting, self-help, things
(12:19):
that people get excited about.
Capitalism is actually consistent with it.
If you take that mindset.
So at the end of the day,it is driven by the mindset.
Yeah.
How we look at it.
Right.
You know, it's the perception.
Yeah.
So what about intuition?
Can you speak about that?
Do you rely on your gutinstincts and your deals?
Obviously you're doing the data, obviouslyyou're doing the underwriting, you're
(12:40):
looking at the numbers, but is your levelof that gut instinct that you rely on?
I absolutely believe inthe power of intuition.
In fact, actually Good.
The areas in my life where.
I got myself, you know, sort ofalmost in trouble or got myself into
a legal, nasty legal battle withthat was really unnecessary, was
when I didn't trust my intuition.
Yes.
You know, and so like you, youget these signals, you get these
(13:02):
really powerful signals inside.
Yeah, hey, this person reallyisn't aligned with you.
Yeah.
Are you sure you want to do this?
Yeah.
And then you rationalize, yeah, Ineed to do it because I want to, I
need, yeah, I need need to close.
I need to get that money.
I need to get that money.
You get those revenues.
Yeah.
Every time I found myself in adifficult business situation, it is a
hundred percent hit rate that earlierin the process, I had some intuition
(13:26):
that I just ignored, and I'm tryingmy best right now to like really
keep that channel open because Yeah.
One of the things thatI, I started to realize.
In that middle phase of mylife when I was, you know,
really struggling with this.
Mass I had created for myself was thatI believe you damage your intuition,
the power of it or the, the way inwhich it can communicate to you and
(13:47):
get deepest level when you ignore it.
And so if you just ignore,ignore, ignore, ignore.
Eventually your intuition is gonna stopsending you the appropriate signal.
And so now I'm trying to do theexact opposite, which is like.
Really trust that gut feelingbecause I want to keep that open.
I want to keep an authenticconnection to whatever power that is.
I have no idea what that is.
Yeah, it's one, it's one ofthose mysteries of life, but
(14:08):
it's incredibly accurate.
It's accurate.
It's very, very accurate.
Yeah, very like every situation in my.
Past that saved me was for thatlittle unique type of a feeling.
And the, and the way I tell peoplehow to figure that out is you
just try to be more self-aware.
Initially, obviously it shouldbe a lifestyle, but becoming
(14:29):
more self-aware in the past of.
Decisions you made, the onesthat you made that got you
something you know further ahead.
Was there a feeling involved, you know,or something that you saved yourself from?
Was there a feeling thatcaused that decision to happen,
that you made that decision?
And by connecting those dots, you canreally quickly find out that message that.
(14:51):
Voice that style.
I don't, there's no wordI can explain for it.
It is just that specialfeeling, I guess you could say.
To get used to it.
To understand it.
And you are 110% correct in my world,from my point of view of what you're
saying about the ignoring part.
'cause I tested it even deeperbecause the stuff like you mentioned,
(15:12):
how you would get an indication todo something or take an action, an
inspired action, just an example.
You will take that action or don'ttake that action purely based on the
thoughts or the past experiences thatyou make that decision and you ignore it.
Ignore that part because yourthoughts, the overthinking is telling
(15:33):
you, no, no, we gotta do this.
We're gonna make it happen.
We're gonna make it happen.
We ignoring the help.
Decreases.
But when help comes and we followthat inspired action, say, okay, from
tomorrow, you need to make a videoevery single day for the next 30 days.
No stoppages, for example.
You know there's no blocks.
You gotta do that consistently.
And you hear that messagecome in and you ignore it.
(15:54):
You don't do it.
I notice that the ideas or thepushes or the the feelings that
you get to do certain things,inspire things, they decrease.
And when you start actually listening.
And you're following and you'reasking for more internally.
See, now I'm ready for more.
See, I'm doing this.
And the more you're going into theflow and the momentum, when you start
causing that momentum, it starts feelinglike you are completely not alone.
(16:18):
Here.
There's something, there's so muchmore greater than you can ever imagine.
That's with you, flowingwith you, you know?
If that makes sense.
Yeah, I, I totally believe in that.
Yeah.
I feel like e even I've been tryingto do it even at like this micro
level where I'll get like a, yeah.
I'll get like an intuition where itsays, try to think of a concrete example
of something that happened recently.
Oh, a friend of mine is involved in aphenomenally successful movie, Minecraft.
(16:41):
He was, he actually producedMinecraft and uh, the one that's,
is it coming out right now?
Is out right now?
Yeah.
Which, oh, my kids are talkingabout that they wanna see.
No way.
That's awesome, man.
Yeah, and, and, um, you shouldsee that don't come on the show.
I will, I will.
He's, he was on my podcast.
He's a really fun guy.
Yeah, I would love it ifyou could introduce us.
(17:02):
That'll be awesome, man.
Okay.
And take the kids.
I, I took my kids this weekend.
It's super fun.
I will.
Okay, so I just thought of thisas an example because I know
how hard he worked on that.
He actually worked almost 17, 18years on that he had this, the rights
for it, the script, all this stuff.
And I saw that it was blowingup, you know, doing great,
you know, huge ticket sales.
(17:22):
And I just sent him a nice message.
I got this intuition.
I'm like, you know what?
I should send John a message.
I sent him a message and we had agreat back and forth as a result of it.
There was no, no goal in mind.
It was literally just like my intuitionwas like, man, you should let John know.
You know that you know howwell this is doing, and you
know, tell him congratulations.
And so I try to keep that level ofconnection with my intuition Oakland,
(17:44):
because you know, you'll be takinga shower, you'll think of a family
member, or you'll be driving inyour car, you'll think of something
you need to say to your kids.
And if the more you listen toit, I feel like the more kind of
attuned you are to whatever rhythmis going on in your life Yes.
And the energies of your life.
Not to get all like woo and spiritual,but I really, I believe there's something
to it and it, it helps you in business.
Like for people who aremore practical minded.
(18:05):
Mm-hmm.
This awareness stuff that you'vebeen talking about, uh, and that
you mentioned on this part, thisawareness stuff is like the most
important thing you could get good at.
Most important.
Yeah.
It's the foundation.
It's the foundation because you can'toperate, you can't even see opportunity.
If you're not aware.
You can't even see what's in front of you.
'cause your, your brain haslike co-opted your whole system.
(18:27):
I. And you're just thinking about yourto-do list or whatever you're thinking
about past, future, something, right?
You're you're all over the place.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So yeah, the awareness, thefoundation, it feels like the, where
everything is emanating from that.
Right.
And the more you spend timein that and the more you stop
taking thoughts so seriously.
And that was a. Big game changer.
(18:49):
For me it was the most difficult'cause like, you know, they say when
you're in it, you don't realize it.
So when you're in that con continuousthought patterns, you don't realize it.
Right?
But when with meditation, with work likethis internal work, you can kind of create
that gap and you start realizing, I.A function, you know, everything has a
reason, but the stories it makes up andthe stuff it tries to make you believe
(19:12):
about what others are thinking about you.
And or, you know, someone might bein a party and they innocently said
something purely truly from their heart.
They just said something,but you took it personal.
You know, because the thought tells youthat there's something they're attacking.
Then you start exploding on thatperson and the person's like shocked.
They don't know.
But in reality, that person that exploded,he's also from that awareness, he's
(19:34):
from that pure love, from that calmness.
The only reason why he kind of burstit out was because of, you know, the
thoughts, what they do sometimes.
Right.
So just being aware of that.
There's a. Complete freedomin that on top of it, right?
And then from there, you know, trustingthe intuition throughout or trusting
God, you may say in a religious senseor you know, in scientific sense you
(19:58):
could say like the quantum realm,whatever, but there's something there.
There's something there.
And another thing I do Ilike to do is the yes or no.
I don't know if you heard of it, the yesor no, you, you know, some kind of task.
Part of my, uh, momentum Acceleratorsupervisor is on my social media.
Whoever goes, you find it through abreadcrumbs, you end up on a landing page.
(20:18):
It's a free guide, is highly valuable.
I just give it to people andto help them just to get.
The momentum going, it's in there as well.
But what you could do is you, thereare mul many other games in there as
well that I added, but they're fun.
You could do it with your kids,you could do it, uh, on your own.
But this one thing is, say you havesomething to do or a task for that
specific day that is important or it'snot important, whatever it could be.
(20:39):
Anything you can ask.
With internally, you know, should I do it?
And then you first, if you step backfirst, you have to understand what the
yes feels like and the no feels like.
So you just have to internally ask,you say, show me what no feels like.
And you'll get a little,little twist in your gut.
You know, you'll get this other awkwardfeeling is different to different people.
And then you say, what does yes feel like?
(21:01):
And then you'll feel thisother type of feeling.
And you could do it as fast as right nowactually, if you practice it enough, the
yes or no, you start understanding both.
The communication, so then you canstart doing it in a micro events
like you said, right, should Igo left or right, for example, or
should I get making small decisions?
You can start practicing in it and thenseeing the outcomes and you know, there's
a lot of, a lot of things that you can dothat you can start having that trust in
(21:25):
you because you don't need anybody else.
We don't need any other.
Podcast, you know, all consumingcontent on YouTube all the time.
We honestly just need to focus onour internal world and everything
that we desire will become availableif we have that focus with faith.
I like that idea and that, that, thatpractice sounds really useful because
what it does is it's just another wayto create that space, like you mentioned
(21:49):
earlier, like your thoughts will just run.
Yeah.
And when you have awareness.
Yeah.
What you realize is that like 99% ofthem are things that you shouldn't pay
attention to, and then occasionallyyour intuition is in there is like
one out of a hundred messages.
Is your intuition, like all thenegative stuff, obviously like mm-hmm.
Anger and greed and jealousy,like your mind would go jealousy.
(22:12):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Craziness.
And then there'll be some good in there.
And then what, you know what, what thepsychologist figure out in the 20th
century, like most famously, the ViktorFrankl figured out in the in Auschwitz,
you know, when he was ready, you know,coming up with how to survive that
situation is that you have this power.
When people talk about freedom, that'sthe freedom that we're talking about.
(22:33):
You have the power to decidefor yourself, but it requires.
It requires this deep, deepmoment to moment awareness.
'cause you have to even, you have toknow what you're even facing before
you can make a decision about it.
Hmm.
And for someone who's not interested inthis topic, it's kind of hard to describe
all this stuff, but for someone who'seven like sipped at the, well, they
(22:53):
get super excited and can, you couldtalk about, you could do like a 10 hour
podcast with them about this subject.
Yeah.
You get it.
It's interesting.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's definitely,that's a really good point.
You know, when you can speak about thisin an environment or a gathering, it
was just the eyes will just roll, right?
Because it makes no sense.
But the people that have somesort of an idea, they get lashed
on so quick, they're, they'reall excited because it resonates.
(23:16):
They realize there's something andyou, no one can stop the truth.
When you feel somethingfeels good, you know it.
You know it, you know, and then whenyou know it, you just keep taking
action unless the thoughts convinceyou otherwise, and then you don't,
you drop it and years later mightbe ready and then you realize it.
For me, it was a similar, peoplewere coming to me telling me these
things in my entrepreneurshipjourney, or I thought it was all woo.
(23:38):
I thought it was just the individualmight need to look at other things.
He's, he's wasting his time.
Like that was the perception of thoseprofessionals that were coming to me.
But it was only later when things hitme and they came back, said, we're that.
Is probably what you need.
You know, that's probably what youneed to work on your inner world.
And it was, I'm so grateful because itdoesn't mean if you're not ready right
now to understand that doesn't mean lateron when the time is ready, you might
(24:02):
be jumping on this, who knows, right?
Yep.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So for viewers on YouTube,please drop a comment.
When was the last time your.
Gut led you to a bold decision.
Appreciate you guys.
Thank you for joining us today,and thank you so much my friend.
And keep in touch, Nick.
It was great talking to you.
Like you said, we couldtalk about this stuff ever.
(24:24):
So I definitely want to continuethis relationship because
there's so much alignment here.
You know, we could do things together, wecould do a live together on LinkedIn, talk
about this stuff, even events, who knows?
You know, there's always opportunitywhere we can collaborate on this topic.
Yeah, thanks Chad.
I really enjoyed this conversation and um.
Definitely open to all that.
Thanks for having me.
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UConn basketball star Azzi Fudd brings her championship swag to iHeart Women’s Sports with Fudd Around and Find Out, a weekly podcast that takes fans along for the ride as Azzi spends her final year of college trying to reclaim the National Championship and prepare to be a first round WNBA draft pick. Ever wonder what it’s like to be a world-class athlete in the public spotlight while still managing schoolwork, friendships and family time? It’s time to Fudd Around and Find Out!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!