August 6, 2025 • 30 mins
What if your deepest pain was actually your launchpad? In this powerful episode of the Super Entrepreneurs Podcast, Mike “C-Roc” Ciorrocco joins Shahid Durrani to explore how personal and professional setbacks can be transformed into rocket fuel for greatness. From growing up in a broken household to experiencing loss, business failures, and rejection—C-Roc breaks down how dominant thoughts, clarity, and emotional energy shape our success. Whether you’re an entrepreneur feeling stuck or a leader searching for deeper impact, this conversation will challenge how you see adversity and inspire you to rise above your limits.
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Chapter Stamps
01:46 Lessons from Failure and Setbacks
02:33 Turning Adversity into Rocket Fuel
13:45 Embracing Quantum Physics and Energy
15:05 The Power of Influence at the Gym
17:05 Energy and Vibes in Everyday Life
18:19 Building People, Not Just Profits
24:21 The Attraction Model and Giving First
Pullout Quotes:
- “You don't get better without feeling discomfort. That’s the sign you’re leveling up.”
- “You can either store adversity in your trunk and slow down—or put it in your tank and accelerate.”
- “I realized I wasn’t chasing goals—I was building an attraction machine through clarity and energy.”
- “Your dominant thoughts are the architects of your results. Vibes matter. Energy is contagious.”
- “The moment I surrendered to God’s direction and stopped resisting, everything started aligning.”
Social Links
Website: https://www.that1agency.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-ciorrocco
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mikeycroc/
Episode Transcript
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(00:00):
I talked to a CPA, A guy that worksin tax strategies and builds trusts
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and helps people save money on taxesand he told me he works with a lot
of billionaires and every single oneof 'em went to zero, almost to zero.
And they've all made it back,sometimes more than once.
And that put things in perspective for me.
And I thought to myself, man, it mustcome down to be just not accepting
defeat, not accepting permanence.
(00:43):
Welcome back to SuperEntrepreneurs Podcast.
I'm your host, Shahid Durrani,today's guest is someone who took life
setbacks and used them as Rocket Fuel.
Mike C Roc, Ciorrocco.
Is the founder of thebrand, what are you made of?
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Co-founder of the innovative techplatform, blueprinted bestselling author
of Rocket Fuel, and a highly sought afterperformance coach and public speaker.
I would like to welcome C Rocto Super Entrepreneurs Podcast.
How are you my friend?
What's up brother?
Hey, great to be here.
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Thanks for having me.
That's an old bio, by the way.
So folks, just so youknow, blueprinted is out.
It was a failed tech platform.
I don't hide from my failures look Ilearned a lot in that experiment and now
we're onto new things over the last fouryears, which is that one brand, that one
agency, and that one podcast and good.
So I just wanna clarify that.
Perfect.
Thank you.
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Can you share one lesson youlearned from that startup?
Yeah, a hundred percent.
Is that the biggest thing I learnedfrom it is, number one, the amount
of effort it takes to achieve a goalis way bigger and long takes longer.
It requires more money, moretime, more resources, more
people than you anticipate.
So everyone on the planetunderestimates the amount of
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effort it takes to achieve a goal.
Yes.
Good point.
Good point.
So I really like how you say, turnyour setbacks use it as rocket fuel.
Can you go deeper in this with us?
Can you explain or share with us thatmoment where you realize that the setbacks
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are actually like fuel, like rocket fuel.
Yeah.
Yeah.
First of all, I camefrom a lot of brokenness.
I don't remember my parentsever together, right?
And then there was a lot of conflictdrug, a drug addicts, alcohol custody
battles, child support battles.
You had stepparents.
And in the mix step step siblings,half brothers and sisters certain
family members come into the, to the.
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To the mix and they don'tlike the other family members.
And
yeah,
Mental abuse and verbal abuse andall kinds of stuff that I watched
growing up, suicide, you name it.
And all the things thatI went through as a kid.
I don't know why I I do knownow, but I didn't know why.
I was just excelling out of everything.
I kept excelling out of it and Ithink I hit somewhere about probably
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it took me until I was about 40 andI started to realize, wait a minute,
there's something going on here.
I gotta identify this.
And I did some self work on myself.
And I started realizing, wait a minute,there's something going on here.
I'm taking things and I have achoice of what to do with it.
When something happens tome, I experience something.
Yeah.
I can either store it in mytrunk or my tank at my fuel tank.
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And I started thinking aboutwhat most people are doing is
storing 'em in their trunk.
And it slows 'em down and weighs'em down and maybe even stops 'em.
That's why some peopleend their life early.
And I was thinking to myselfI haven't been doing that.
That's why I've been excelling.
I've been putting things in my tank.
And I've been converting it into fuel,whether it's a lesson learned experience,
wisdom, motivation, whatever it is,I was stored it in the tank and I was
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converting it into fuel and I woulduplevel and I would keep bubble level.
Now, I don't like going throughtough times in adversity.
Yeah.
But I and I read the Bible a lotand in the New Testament there's a
book called James, and in the firstchapter of James, it talks about you
should experience joy in adversity.
Because that's when you're getting forged.
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That's when you're getting training.
That's when you're becomingwho you're gonna be.
And so I started thinking as I got olderand I wrote a book called Rocket Fuel
Convert Setbacks Become Unstoppable.
And grant Cardone resonatedwith the idea of that.
And he wrote the forward for thebook and explained how rocket
fuel he used it in his life.
But the thing is about this is that Istarted doing this thing when I hit 40.
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Once I realized this, I said,when I'm going through tough times
now, I don't like the feeling.
Okay.
You don't, by the way,you don't get better.
And not feel bad.
There's not a time where you'regetting better and it feels good, okay?
But I started to realize,wait a minute, what if I got
excited when things got tough?
What if I got excited whensomebody turned me down and I
got rejected or I had a setback?
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What if there was a way I gotexcited because I know that I'm
not quitting and if I keep going,something amazing's gonna happen.
And so I started thinking thatway and it changed my life, man.
Yeah.
That what we go through in life,their lessons and we were just used to
hearing as children growing up that oh.
Avoid problems.
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But if we go into the reasoningof those experiences and why we're
facing them some more than others,there's always some kind of lesson.
And for me, anything that was atthe moment felt like life was over.
It was really bad, wasactually a next step to my next
phase where I needed to go.
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So when I zoom out, when I look atthe whole, all the dots in the past,
they all got together because the,those situations that I dealt with,
that I went through have to happenfor me to come to where I am today.
There are beautiful lessons.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it could be anything, right?
It could be, yeah.
I remember dating a girland I got my heart broken.
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And I was like, oh man.
I remember getting ready to go golfingwith my buddies in college and I just
broke up with my girlfriend or shebroke up with me and I was miserable
and I was just down in the dumps.
And there's a feeling of permanencewhen you go through difficulties.
It feels oh, this isthe way it's gonna be.
The rest of the way, it's over.
I'm not gonna have those funtimes I had, I'm not gonna be
able to get with somebody again.
All these different, thispermanence feeling, right?
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I remember in business when I had to shuta business down, I felt oh man, I'm not
gonna be able to go to those restaurants.
I used to like, and go to those trips.
I used to like, and man, I'mgonna have to figure out to
maybe sell my house and downsize.
And there's a sense ofpermanence that comes in.
One thing I learned.
Okay.
Is that there, it's notpermanent unless you quit.
If you keep going nowthe breakup, for example.
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I wouldn't have the beautiful wifeI've been married to for 23 years
now, and the beautiful family that Ihave, if that breakup didn't happen.
So I don't know what's gonnahappen in the future, but I
do know it's gonna be better.
Yeah.
And another thing with the businessI could have just downsized my house,
shrunk, everything changed my lifestyle,
survival.
This is the way it's gonna be and amentor told me one time, do not ever
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change your lifestyle because you havean adversity in business or financially.
Because what you're gonna do is you'resettling and then and then you're gonna
be into this mode now where you'renot gonna create and produce like you
used to because you're gonna settle.
So the last businessthing that I went through.
Where I had to change, which I can sharethat story, I'll go deeper, but I did
not change my lifestyle temporarily.
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I did what I had to do to get by, but Iwasn't gonna change my lifestyle because
I'm not, that's not how I'm built.
And matter of fact, I talked toa CPA, A guy that works in tax
strategies and builds trusts andhelps people save money on taxes.
And he told me he works with a lotof billionaires and every single one
of 'em went to zero, almost to zero.
And they've all made it back,sometimes more than once.
(07:48):
And that put things in perspective for me.
And I thought to myself, man, it mustcome down to be just not accepting
defeat, not accepting permanence.
And yeah, that changed everything for me.
Yeah, that's beautiful, man.
You just have that.
Belief eventually everything is going tobe okay, and if we settle, we're basically
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letting the subconscious starts believingthat, okay, I have to downsize everything.
Okay.
This is my life.
I'm gonna survive.
But if you amplify that, you learnfrom it and you still keep going.
There's something that we're part ofthat kind of helps us, guides us in that
yeah.
Yeah.
And then the other thingis like a lot of times.
The business side of things, it mighthave been a thousand dollars problem,
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$10,000 problem, a hundred thousand,even a million dollar problem.
But why is that a problem whenI'm not shooting for that?
I'm not shooting for $10,000.
I'm not shooting for a million.
I'm shooting for billion.
I'm shooting for big numbers.
Why would I like, this isonly a, this is only a blip.
So I want bigger problems.
So when I go through things,I'm looking, okay, where can I
get bigger problems than this?
(08:55):
Let's add into this, because I wannabe built, I wanna be like a machine
that's like a just unstoppable machine.
And yeah, here's another scenario.
Back in 2019, in January, Ihad a, my stepfather he became
my father when I was about 11.
And in January, cold night in,in 2019, I got a, my wife woke
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me up in the middle of the night.
And she said she got a textfrom my mom and it said, my, my
stepfather's name was George.
He was a good guy, man.
He was a very passionate hunter,fisherman, loved baseball.
Like he'd be sitting on a couch ata somebody's party or something, and
if somebody brought up a topic thathe was passionate about baseball,
hunting, fishing, he would jump off thecouch and get all wild and animated.
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Passionate dude.
And that passion, he's, he, itdefinitely permeated into me.
Growing up around him, but 2019, I gotthis wake up and my wife said, your mom
just texted me and said, George did.
And I said I don't know what that means.
George did in the middle of thenight so I called her, I called
my mom and I'm half asleep.
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You know how when you first wake upyou don't have any sense of reality.
You're still in theta or whateverthey call it in your mind, my
mom was hysterical and she wasgoing crazy and I couldn't even
understand what she was saying.
And I said, Hey, take a deep breath.
Take a deep breath, come up,calm down, what's going on?
And she said, George died.
So it wasn't, George did, shejust didn't type it right.
Typo.
And I said, what She said, yeah.
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And then she told me the story wenthunting that day and it was snowing out.
And when he came outta the woods and hegot into his truck, he had a heart attack
in the parking lot in his truck and itwas still in drive when they found him.
It was still in drive.
He was at the entrance.
And the house across the street saw thecar, was sitting there for a while and
went into explore and they found out.
Now we didn't know where he was.
My brother was looking out, he droveout on the icy roads looking for
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him, and eventually, they calledthe cops, they called the hospitals
and they found out that he wasbrought in and he didn't survive.
Now that obviously anytime you experienceloss and you gotta mourn and grief
and, but the energy and passion.
And George's spirit cameinto me within a week or two.
I felt this feeling one dayand my brother explained that
he experienced the same thing.
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I got this energy came into me andI was like, oh man, it's on now.
And see, I was running a mortgagebusiness at the time for 20 some
years, and I was making a lot ofmoney and I just wasn't happy though.
I hated it.
I hate hated doing what I was doing, but Ididn't have the courage to confront that.
There was a fear inside of me thatI couldn't, thinking I couldn't
make this kind of money doingsomething that I really, truly loved.
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So I was hesitant to confront it.
And that the longer that youdon't confront something,
the more pressure builds.
You're always gonna be forcedto confront issues in your
life that you need to confront.
If you don't voluntarily doit earlier, it gets worse.
I wasn't confronting this thing, sothe energy and passion came into me.
I just had this thing like, I,I gotta get known globally, man.
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Life is too short.
That's awesome.
Life is too short.
I realized this life and I onlyhave this one life in this body.
Yeah.
So true.
I need to figure out somethingright now, and it's on.
And so at that moment
You're doing great things, man.
Thank you.
You're doing great things.
Yeah.
At that
moment, I decided, I said,I gotta get known globally.
I people need.
People need me.
I have an obligation.
There's so many people strugglingout there in the world.
Yeah,
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I gotta be a living demonstrationbecause I've been given by God
some amazing blessings and I gottause these talents and abilities.
And there's no excuse not to.
And so yeah, that's an exampleof it's a, the rocket fuel.
Definitely, it's a disservice we willdo to others if you don't share, and
what you're doing is you're definitelyempowering and amplifying others.
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And the more you do that forothers, the more you know.
The individual's life improves as well.
Just the way it works?
Givers gain . We're in businessa lot of strategies, a lot
of things that we could do.
But this energy that you're talking aboutthis fuel that we have is what will either
you'll win eventually or you'll give up.
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It just depends on that energy.
And when you held that energy andyou got that from your dad, and
I'm sorry to hear about your loss.
It must be a tough one, but you actuallybrought something that you're extending
his passion into this experience of lifeand he's living on, in a way, through you
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a hundred percent.
It wasn't a loss
really.
No,
because I could still talk to him.
Me, him and I have conversations, andwhen I feel like I don't feel like
doing something or, I wanna complainabout something, I just, I remember
what he, the lessons he taught me.
And that, and then he lives on.
Yeah.
And, yeah.
No, it's a gain man.
It's definitely a game.
No, it's great,
man.
Yeah, no, it's great.
It's definitely a gain.
A hundred percent.
So everyone talks aboutmindset obviously nowadays.
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And you operate with thisconcept of dominant thoughts.
Can you explain what this really meansto our audience and how they can start
incorporating this concept in their life?
I.
Yeah.
If you think about this for a second,we're we have to take responsibility
for the energy that's in our,or orb that we walk around in.
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There's a certain distance thatyour energy resonates out to.
And if you understand that when you walkinto a room, you can actually change the
energy of the room, you can impact people.
Because vibes matter andemotions are contagious.
Hundred percent.
Emotions are energy, theytranspose into energy.
And so when you, when your thoughts comeinto your mind, you have a decision to.
Keep going with that thought or changeand replace that thought because
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it's gonna affect the energy field.
And when you start studying quantumphysics and quantum resonance.
And understanding this concept, and by theway, I used to run from the word quantum.
I used to run from theword nuclear physics.
Me too.
Because I found and yeah.
Because I found, I didn'tunderstand mindfulness
too.
Yeah.
I didn't understand it.
The reason that people run from thingsis 'cause they don't know something.
They don't understand something.
(14:36):
Yeah.
And then when you start to really lookup words that you don't understand
and clear the words definition andreally get a good handle on it.
You'll study any subject whatsoever.
So I started leaning into quantumphysics and quantum resonance, and I'm
not afraid to look into that stuff nowbecause I know what I'm talking about.
If I don't know what I'm talkingabout, I'll look the word up.
Get a good understanding of it.
And once I started doing that, Istarted to realize that, wait a
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minute, I am responsible for theenergy that I'm bringing into any
environment, and I do not wanna bethe one to bring the environment down.
Like
when I, when
agree,
when I go to the gym, forexample, there's people at the
gym working out on their own.
They're doing their thing.
But I told my Kinzie the otherday, when we come into the
gym, it's not just about us.
We have a responsibility to bringthat gym up or bring that gym down.
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People are watching you at all times.
You might think you're doing your workoutand nobody's paying attention, but trust
me, they're paying attention and here'swhat they're trying to figure out.
I don't really feellike working out today.
Should I go hard or shouldI just take it easy today?
I. Then they, let's say theyfall into that category.
I'm gonna take it easy today.
They're looking for reasons tovalidate that desire that they have.
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And so they'll look around theroom or the gym and they'll see the
people that they wanna latch onto tovalidate that, that average thinking.
And if you're that person that theylook at, and you let them validate that
feeling of taking it easy that day,you're responsible for their workout
and you're responsible for that humanbeing, whether you like it or not.
And so I told my kids, yougotta go when you go to the gym.
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You have to set an intention beforeyou walk in the door that you're gonna
crush it that day and you're gonna goafter it because people are watching.
You could also be the person thatinvalidates that feeling and makes
them decide and inspires them to goharder and do something extra today.
So I said that to my kids one day.
We're at the gym.
The next day we're in there.
My sons gets on this treadmill.
It doesn't have a motor.
It's one of the ones where youcontrol it and it's very difficult.
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You can sled push, you can runon it, jog on it, walk on it.
But it's like very it creates resistance.
And my son's going hard on it.
And I said, wow.
That's, great job bud.
This guy comes up to him and says,Hey man, I just finished lifting.
I was gonna, I wasn't gonna run today,but I just saw you doing your thing there.
And I gotta get my run in today.
And that happened the day after.
I just told the kids this lesson.
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So I, I pretend Shahid thatI, everybody that's always
watching me because I am, yeah.
Gotta be a living demonstration becausevibes matter and emotions are contagious.
Hundred percent.
And people will look at you to validatewhether they wanna be average or
they want to go to the next level.
Yeah.
So true.
And that concept that you'reexplaining, it's in, in every realm.
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Not just, for example, in the gym, even inour family like you mentioned, the kids,
our wife, the cousins, all the family.
It stands out, when you enter, when yougo for visiting or if you're hanging
out, your energy amplifies or decreases.
What's happening in that environment,and you'll see if someone comes
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in and they're in a bad mood,you just pick it up right away.
Because we're vibrational readers.
That's what we naturally pick up.
When we elevate our internal world, westart vibing different, regardless of
the outside is just a different vibe.
The enthusiasm increasesfor life and what we do.
And that energy is super contagious.
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And having a platform, like apodcast to do it is so important.
So if anybody out there is youknow, has that capability to
affect people in a positive way,definitely get your voice out there.
Don't hold back, start a podcast, dovideos, do whatever you can get out there.
'cause people need it.
They need your voice,they need your energy.
(18:17):
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
Can you share two, three practical stepsthat entrepreneurs can take today, start
immediately to start focusing more onbuilding people and not just profits?
Yeah.
Here's the thing.
You can do anything you want inlife, but you can't do everything.
So you need people.
Yeah.
People have everything we need exactly.
If you're not gonna be focusedon making people better around
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you, you're just gonna be limitedto the degree that you do that.
So i'm always thinking about how canI build the people around me and,
that could be just being an example.
That could be paying attention and beinga good listener to see what people need.
Being a servant, like the whole orgchart in companies is built wrong.
The CEO shouldn't be at the top.
It should be at the bottom.
Because they should be, serving.
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They should be down serving.
And then the company should go up thisway with the people that are just getting
started and all the lower level peoplethat they'd say lower level, they should
be the highest level because you onlyrise as a company to your best attitude
people, your best mindset people, thebest skilled people, you not the best,
the lowest level in your company.
So if you have somebody in yourcompany that's got a bad attitude,
the whole company's gonna suffer.
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So for me, I think the main thing for anyentrepreneur out there is to be really
clear on what you're looking to do.
Because without clarity, youhave chaos and confusion, and
it's impossible to be successfulwith chaos and confusion present.
So I'm always talking about how canI get the distractions eliminated
and be able to focus my attention,which is a limited resource attention.
We only have so many attention units thatwe can spend, and there's trillions of
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things even right here for us right nowthat we could be paying attention to.
So what am I gonna do?
Where am I gonna spend myattention units, right?
And how can I make sure thatthey're on the right thing?
I have to have clarity.
I need to know exactly what I wanna do,make a decision that's what I wanna do.
And that sets an intention.
Most people are going around life.
They have no clear and clearvision or clear intention so their
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attention doesn't have any direction.
And the attention then gets directedby outside sources, like the
media, like social media, like thepeople in your environment, your
spouse, your kids friends, whoever.
Okay.
And when that happens, you start topay attention to the wrong things.
Then you start living a lifewhere you're not advancing, you're
miserable, you're resentful.
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And you wonder why it allstarts with clarity, setting
an attention on what you want.
And that intention givesyour attention direction.
And then you start to cause andcreate based on your intention.
Because when you start payingattention to the things.
'cause it's directed by the intention.
You start to validate your intention bypaying attention to the right things, the
people in your life, the opportunities,the strategies different things.
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So it all starts with clarity.
Yeah, clarity is super important.
Now, if you could imagine, sayfor example, you imagine that
you, God forbid, lost everythingand you had to start over again.
But you get to keep threemindsets or habits you have
now, what would they be and why?
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Here's the thing.
I thought about this many times.
If I had to start over, right?
I came into the, we all did, weall came into this world butt
naked, not knowing how to talk.
Not knowing who is who, andno, no relationships, no
network except for our mother.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we made it this far.
So then
I think about, okay, if I had to startover again and I had to go back to being
butt naked, don't visualize that folks.
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But if I had to go back tobeing butt naked, but now I
have the ability to communicate.
I have the network, I have the wisdomand experience I'm built because
I went through things differently.
Imagine how far I can make it now.
So for me, starting over it's,I'm not starting over you.
It's impossible to start overbecause unless you lose your
memory, you're not starting over.
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But what would be the three mindsetsthat you would keep or have?
What are your go-to from whatyou have right now in your life?
Yeah.
Clarity,
the understanding, likeknowing what I want.
Clarity, knowing what I want.
Okay.
Because I need to set my attentionso that I can direct my attention.
Yeah.
Target calls and create.
Number one.
Number two is enjoy all parts of life.
Enjoy all parts of life.
The parts that don't go the way you expectthem to is where you're being built.
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Yeah.
So that's important.
Yeah.
A hundred percent agree.
And then the third thing I would sayis, look, I, me, I'm not in, I'm not
in control of my life to the degreethat I'd like and expect to be.
We all have things that we wantto go our way, but I'm a believer
in God and I believe God hasa way and I like to surrender.
And I found a lot of valuein surrendering to God's Way.
Now that doesn't mean that I don't geta clear vision of what I want to do.
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Okay.
'cause we've been given dominion andfreedom free will to have a desire.
But I believe the desires that we haveand when we get clear comes from God.
But we don't listen to it a lot of timesor pay attention to it or create space.
Yeah.
Or remove the blockagesto receive the message.
I believe
our intuition, our desires, whenwe're focused on God come from
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God, and then we're clear on that,and then we can go from there.
Yeah.
It's so good what you just said because.
How much control do we really have?
It's great to have the targets.
We need all of those things and wekeep improving and getting better and
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creating because we have hands and feet.
We're built that way to create.
But at the end of the day, how,where we get to be turning and guided
towards when we have that calmer mind.
That direction could shift.
It could be even a hundred x bigger thanwe could ever imagine, but is going in
the direction of where our energy andwhat we're feeling and what, how we,
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what we think this experience is, whatour perception of it is, that energy.
Helps with that direction, but we don'tknow what's gonna eventually happen,
but all we can care and what we can workabout, what we can actually fuse into is
the present moment and what we do in it.
And it's beautiful what you said.
It was really important for peopleto hear that from you as well.
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And I'm grateful to have this opportunityto have you on the show to share this,
to amplify that message you're sharing.
Yeah, my pleasure, man.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And what you just talkedabout attraction, right?
Yeah.
So you can be in a chase mode oryou can be in attraction mode.
Yeah.
Most people are living in a chase mode.
They're chasing the next thing.
They're chasing whatever they're tryingto make it through the next month.
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Chase chase relationships.
But everything changed for mewhen I started saying, listen, I
wanna create an attraction model.
I wanna create an attractionopportunity for people to come to me.
I wanna track opportunities to me.
And how do you do that?
Yeah.
Number one, you gotta get, you gottaget really clear on who you are.
And what you wanna do.
And then you also number the nu thenumber three thing you need to do.
Two, the second thing youneed to do is get known.
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If you're not getting known andnobody knows you, you can have the
best product, the best service, havethe best intentions in the world.
Yeah.
But nobody knows who you are.
How can you help them?
So yeah, this goes to creating a way,a communication line, some way to
get your message out there, who youare, what you stand for, what you do.
And for me, I wake up every morning,no matter what level I get to, and
pretend nobody's ever heard of me.
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Because I don't wanna step back.
I don't wanna get complacent.
I need to make sure I'm always reachingout, always getting out there, pushing
content out there, going to events,meeting people, doing calls every day.
I do five to eight, 15 minute callswith total strangers every single day.
How do I do that?
I reach out on Instagram or reachout to people in my network that are
friends with other people and I DM them.
I'll send 'em a text, whatever Ihave access to, to communicate with
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them, and I say, Hey, let you know.
We gotta connect sometime.
I love what you're doing and I'dlove to explore synergy with you.
Let's hop on 15 minute call and exploresynergy, and then I get on 15 minute
calls with what I call perfect strangers.
Yeah, and we share what we're workingon right now that's got us excited.
We share what our vision is, we sharewhat our challenges are, and then we
find synergy, whether it's podcasttogether, whether it's collab on
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something, whether I connect themor they connect me to somebody.
Maybe it's just encouragement.
Maybe it's just a friend and we justlet it go organic and see what happens.
But at the end of the day, I'mall about getting known and
building network and serving.
And it just, yeah, this is, itstarts to compound in a snowball
effect that starts to take place.
And before you know it, you lookback six months and you're like, wow,
look at, look what I've achieved.
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Look at all the people that trust me.
It's momentum.
This momentum.
And I relate to what you're saying somuch because I'm done with chasing,
I spent my entire life chasing andit was just really bad on my health.
It was bad on my mentality it wasjust the energy was all wrong.
And since I had my focus shiftedinwards, it's all about adding value.
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And this platform as a podcast, superEntrepreneurs podcast is to just add
value through and is the focus ofhow much I could do for others how
am I impacting people's lives andthe guests that come on the show and.
We had a very interesting guestbefore on the show, and I think I
mentioned on your show too, thathe, David Drand he said similar to
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that, he just focuses on his garden.
He doesn't chase butterfliesanymore, that's really what it is.
You just water your seeds.
You're taking care of what youare, what you're doing as the human
being you are, and you're addingthat value, that's your focus.
And then not worrying about what isgonna happen, not having that stress.
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Doubt and worry having completefaith instead of that operating from
that energy you bring people intoyour life and that this attraction
stuff, it's so fricking real.
And I had a lot of trouble with this man.
Like I had this ideology growingup that everything has to be hard,
but it was, life doesn't haveto be hard when you operate in a
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specific energy because you will see.
People and the universe startswanting to help you get what you want.
Like you'll see people showingup just wanting to help you grow.
Like we are meeting together becausethere's an alignment of that energy.
Yeah.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
I love this stuff.
Yeah.
And by the way, when you startdoing things the right way, I say
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the right way, which is the wayto create an attraction model.
Things will start to appear.
People will start to appear that havealways been there, but they you don't
understand where they came from.
You'll start seeing money comein that you, you can't even
comprehend where did this come from?
Like, how did this happen?
So true
man.
And it starts with understanding, changingyour subconscious mind into that you
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are very worthy and you're in, yes.
You're gonna handle things theright way and the money comes.
You're gonna be a greatsteward of the money.
Yeah.
And money's gotta flow.
So the other thing is people start.
This is a common myth that you gotta getbefore you give the giving comes first.
Yes.
Whether it's tithing, whether it'scommitting to a certain amount of
money to a charity, whether it'syou're giving your time, you're
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giving your strategy, your expertise.
Giving comes first.
And then hundred percent, all theother stuff comes because it's
just like a, it's like a currency.
It's like a flow.
And you, a lot of times peopleblock the flow of receiving
because they're not giving first.
And so for me I'm always looking foropportunities like, who can I serve today?
Where can I give?
Yeah.
It, I wake up in the morning,
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love it,
wake up in the morning some days,and I just go right onto the, go
onto the church website and donate.
And not donate, but tithe.
And then every time I do that, likemore money keeps flowing to me.
Yeah.
It's so true, Mike.
Man, it was great havingyou on the show, brother.
It was just phenomenal sharing thisspace with you and your presence
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and what you're doing for others.
The only thing I really have foryou is I wish you all the best.
I wish you all the thank you growthand see how we can collaborate further.
Thank you, man.
I appreciate you having me, Shahid.
It's been an my pleasure.
It's been a fun time here, man.
And if anybody wants to check me out,I'm on Instagram at Mikey Sea Rock.
Check me out there and DM me.
Perfect.
I talked to a CPA, A guy that worksin tax strategies and builds trusts
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and helps people save money on taxesand he told me he works with a lot
of billionaires and every single oneof 'em went to zero, almost to zero.
And they've all made it back,sometimes more than once.
And that put things in perspective for me.
And I thought to myself, man, it mustcome down to be just not accepting
defeat, not accepting permanence.
(00:43):
Welcome back to SuperEntrepreneurs Podcast.
I'm your host, Shahid Durrani,today's guest is someone who took life
setbacks and used them as Rocket Fuel.
Mike C Roc, Ciorrocco.
Is the founder of thebrand, what are you made of?
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Co-founder of the innovative techplatform, blueprinted bestselling author
of Rocket Fuel, and a highly sought afterperformance coach and public speaker.
I would like to welcome C Rocto Super Entrepreneurs Podcast.
How are you my friend?
What's up brother?
Hey, great to be here.
(01:26):
Thanks for having me.
That's an old bio, by the way.
So folks, just so youknow, blueprinted is out.
It was a failed tech platform.
I don't hide from my failures look Ilearned a lot in that experiment and now
we're onto new things over the last fouryears, which is that one brand, that one
agency, and that one podcast and good.
So I just wanna clarify that.
Perfect.
Thank you.
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Can you share one lesson youlearned from that startup?
Yeah, a hundred percent.
Is that the biggest thing I learnedfrom it is, number one, the amount
of effort it takes to achieve a goalis way bigger and long takes longer.
It requires more money, moretime, more resources, more
people than you anticipate.
So everyone on the planetunderestimates the amount of
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effort it takes to achieve a goal.
Yes.
Good point.
Good point.
So I really like how you say, turnyour setbacks use it as rocket fuel.
Can you go deeper in this with us?
Can you explain or share with us thatmoment where you realize that the setbacks
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are actually like fuel, like rocket fuel.
Yeah.
Yeah.
First of all, I camefrom a lot of brokenness.
I don't remember my parentsever together, right?
And then there was a lot of conflictdrug, a drug addicts, alcohol custody
battles, child support battles.
You had stepparents.
And in the mix step step siblings,half brothers and sisters certain
family members come into the, to the.
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To the mix and they don'tlike the other family members.
And
yeah,
Mental abuse and verbal abuse andall kinds of stuff that I watched
growing up, suicide, you name it.
And all the things thatI went through as a kid.
I don't know why I I do knownow, but I didn't know why.
I was just excelling out of everything.
I kept excelling out of it and Ithink I hit somewhere about probably
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it took me until I was about 40 andI started to realize, wait a minute,
there's something going on here.
I gotta identify this.
And I did some self work on myself.
And I started realizing, wait a minute,there's something going on here.
I'm taking things and I have achoice of what to do with it.
When something happens tome, I experience something.
Yeah.
I can either store it in mytrunk or my tank at my fuel tank.
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And I started thinking aboutwhat most people are doing is
storing 'em in their trunk.
And it slows 'em down and weighs'em down and maybe even stops 'em.
That's why some peopleend their life early.
And I was thinking to myselfI haven't been doing that.
That's why I've been excelling.
I've been putting things in my tank.
And I've been converting it into fuel,whether it's a lesson learned experience,
wisdom, motivation, whatever it is,I was stored it in the tank and I was
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converting it into fuel and I woulduplevel and I would keep bubble level.
Now, I don't like going throughtough times in adversity.
Yeah.
But I and I read the Bible a lotand in the New Testament there's a
book called James, and in the firstchapter of James, it talks about you
should experience joy in adversity.
Because that's when you're getting forged.
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That's when you're getting training.
That's when you're becomingwho you're gonna be.
And so I started thinking as I got olderand I wrote a book called Rocket Fuel
Convert Setbacks Become Unstoppable.
And grant Cardone resonatedwith the idea of that.
And he wrote the forward for thebook and explained how rocket
fuel he used it in his life.
But the thing is about this is that Istarted doing this thing when I hit 40.
(04:34):
Once I realized this, I said,when I'm going through tough times
now, I don't like the feeling.
Okay.
You don't, by the way,you don't get better.
And not feel bad.
There's not a time where you'regetting better and it feels good, okay?
But I started to realize,wait a minute, what if I got
excited when things got tough?
What if I got excited whensomebody turned me down and I
got rejected or I had a setback?
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What if there was a way I gotexcited because I know that I'm
not quitting and if I keep going,something amazing's gonna happen.
And so I started thinking thatway and it changed my life, man.
Yeah.
That what we go through in life,their lessons and we were just used to
hearing as children growing up that oh.
Avoid problems.
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But if we go into the reasoningof those experiences and why we're
facing them some more than others,there's always some kind of lesson.
And for me, anything that was atthe moment felt like life was over.
It was really bad, wasactually a next step to my next
phase where I needed to go.
(05:38):
So when I zoom out, when I look atthe whole, all the dots in the past,
they all got together because the,those situations that I dealt with,
that I went through have to happenfor me to come to where I am today.
There are beautiful lessons.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it could be anything, right?
It could be, yeah.
I remember dating a girland I got my heart broken.
(05:59):
And I was like, oh man.
I remember getting ready to go golfingwith my buddies in college and I just
broke up with my girlfriend or shebroke up with me and I was miserable
and I was just down in the dumps.
And there's a feeling of permanencewhen you go through difficulties.
It feels oh, this isthe way it's gonna be.
The rest of the way, it's over.
I'm not gonna have those funtimes I had, I'm not gonna be
able to get with somebody again.
All these different, thispermanence feeling, right?
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I remember in business when I had to shuta business down, I felt oh man, I'm not
gonna be able to go to those restaurants.
I used to like, and go to those trips.
I used to like, and man, I'mgonna have to figure out to
maybe sell my house and downsize.
And there's a sense ofpermanence that comes in.
One thing I learned.
Okay.
Is that there, it's notpermanent unless you quit.
If you keep going nowthe breakup, for example.
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I wouldn't have the beautiful wifeI've been married to for 23 years
now, and the beautiful family that Ihave, if that breakup didn't happen.
So I don't know what's gonnahappen in the future, but I
do know it's gonna be better.
Yeah.
And another thing with the businessI could have just downsized my house,
shrunk, everything changed my lifestyle,
survival.
This is the way it's gonna be and amentor told me one time, do not ever
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change your lifestyle because you havean adversity in business or financially.
Because what you're gonna do is you'resettling and then and then you're gonna
be into this mode now where you'renot gonna create and produce like you
used to because you're gonna settle.
So the last businessthing that I went through.
Where I had to change, which I can sharethat story, I'll go deeper, but I did
not change my lifestyle temporarily.
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I did what I had to do to get by, but Iwasn't gonna change my lifestyle because
I'm not, that's not how I'm built.
And matter of fact, I talked toa CPA, A guy that works in tax
strategies and builds trusts andhelps people save money on taxes.
And he told me he works with a lotof billionaires and every single one
of 'em went to zero, almost to zero.
And they've all made it back,sometimes more than once.
(07:48):
And that put things in perspective for me.
And I thought to myself, man, it mustcome down to be just not accepting
defeat, not accepting permanence.
And yeah, that changed everything for me.
Yeah, that's beautiful, man.
You just have that.
Belief eventually everything is going tobe okay, and if we settle, we're basically
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letting the subconscious starts believingthat, okay, I have to downsize everything.
Okay.
This is my life.
I'm gonna survive.
But if you amplify that, you learnfrom it and you still keep going.
There's something that we're part ofthat kind of helps us, guides us in that
yeah.
Yeah.
And then the other thingis like a lot of times.
The business side of things, it mighthave been a thousand dollars problem,
(08:35):
$10,000 problem, a hundred thousand,even a million dollar problem.
But why is that a problem whenI'm not shooting for that?
I'm not shooting for $10,000.
I'm not shooting for a million.
I'm shooting for billion.
I'm shooting for big numbers.
Why would I like, this isonly a, this is only a blip.
So I want bigger problems.
So when I go through things,I'm looking, okay, where can I
get bigger problems than this?
(08:55):
Let's add into this, because I wannabe built, I wanna be like a machine
that's like a just unstoppable machine.
And yeah, here's another scenario.
Back in 2019, in January, Ihad a, my stepfather he became
my father when I was about 11.
And in January, cold night in,in 2019, I got a, my wife woke
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me up in the middle of the night.
And she said she got a textfrom my mom and it said, my, my
stepfather's name was George.
He was a good guy, man.
He was a very passionate hunter,fisherman, loved baseball.
Like he'd be sitting on a couch ata somebody's party or something, and
if somebody brought up a topic thathe was passionate about baseball,
hunting, fishing, he would jump off thecouch and get all wild and animated.
(09:37):
Passionate dude.
And that passion, he's, he, itdefinitely permeated into me.
Growing up around him, but 2019, I gotthis wake up and my wife said, your mom
just texted me and said, George did.
And I said I don't know what that means.
George did in the middle of thenight so I called her, I called
my mom and I'm half asleep.
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You know how when you first wake upyou don't have any sense of reality.
You're still in theta or whateverthey call it in your mind, my
mom was hysterical and she wasgoing crazy and I couldn't even
understand what she was saying.
And I said, Hey, take a deep breath.
Take a deep breath, come up,calm down, what's going on?
And she said, George died.
So it wasn't, George did, shejust didn't type it right.
Typo.
And I said, what She said, yeah.
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And then she told me the story wenthunting that day and it was snowing out.
And when he came outta the woods and hegot into his truck, he had a heart attack
in the parking lot in his truck and itwas still in drive when they found him.
It was still in drive.
He was at the entrance.
And the house across the street saw thecar, was sitting there for a while and
went into explore and they found out.
Now we didn't know where he was.
My brother was looking out, he droveout on the icy roads looking for
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him, and eventually, they calledthe cops, they called the hospitals
and they found out that he wasbrought in and he didn't survive.
Now that obviously anytime you experienceloss and you gotta mourn and grief
and, but the energy and passion.
And George's spirit cameinto me within a week or two.
I felt this feeling one dayand my brother explained that
he experienced the same thing.
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I got this energy came into me andI was like, oh man, it's on now.
And see, I was running a mortgagebusiness at the time for 20 some
years, and I was making a lot ofmoney and I just wasn't happy though.
I hated it.
I hate hated doing what I was doing, but Ididn't have the courage to confront that.
There was a fear inside of me thatI couldn't, thinking I couldn't
make this kind of money doingsomething that I really, truly loved.
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So I was hesitant to confront it.
And that the longer that youdon't confront something,
the more pressure builds.
You're always gonna be forcedto confront issues in your
life that you need to confront.
If you don't voluntarily doit earlier, it gets worse.
I wasn't confronting this thing, sothe energy and passion came into me.
I just had this thing like, I,I gotta get known globally, man.
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Life is too short.
That's awesome.
Life is too short.
I realized this life and I onlyhave this one life in this body.
Yeah.
So true.
I need to figure out somethingright now, and it's on.
And so at that moment
You're doing great things, man.
Thank you.
You're doing great things.
Yeah.
At that
moment, I decided, I said,I gotta get known globally.
I people need.
People need me.
I have an obligation.
There's so many people strugglingout there in the world.
Yeah,
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I gotta be a living demonstrationbecause I've been given by God
some amazing blessings and I gottause these talents and abilities.
And there's no excuse not to.
And so yeah, that's an exampleof it's a, the rocket fuel.
Definitely, it's a disservice we willdo to others if you don't share, and
what you're doing is you're definitelyempowering and amplifying others.
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And the more you do that forothers, the more you know.
The individual's life improves as well.
Just the way it works?
Givers gain . We're in businessa lot of strategies, a lot
of things that we could do.
But this energy that you're talking aboutthis fuel that we have is what will either
you'll win eventually or you'll give up.
(12:49):
It just depends on that energy.
And when you held that energy andyou got that from your dad, and
I'm sorry to hear about your loss.
It must be a tough one, but you actuallybrought something that you're extending
his passion into this experience of lifeand he's living on, in a way, through you
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a hundred percent.
It wasn't a loss
really.
No,
because I could still talk to him.
Me, him and I have conversations, andwhen I feel like I don't feel like
doing something or, I wanna complainabout something, I just, I remember
what he, the lessons he taught me.
And that, and then he lives on.
Yeah.
And, yeah.
No, it's a gain man.
It's definitely a game.
No, it's great,
man.
Yeah, no, it's great.
It's definitely a gain.
A hundred percent.
So everyone talks aboutmindset obviously nowadays.
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And you operate with thisconcept of dominant thoughts.
Can you explain what this really meansto our audience and how they can start
incorporating this concept in their life?
I.
Yeah.
If you think about this for a second,we're we have to take responsibility
for the energy that's in our,or orb that we walk around in.
(13:53):
There's a certain distance thatyour energy resonates out to.
And if you understand that when you walkinto a room, you can actually change the
energy of the room, you can impact people.
Because vibes matter andemotions are contagious.
Hundred percent.
Emotions are energy, theytranspose into energy.
And so when you, when your thoughts comeinto your mind, you have a decision to.
Keep going with that thought or changeand replace that thought because
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it's gonna affect the energy field.
And when you start studying quantumphysics and quantum resonance.
And understanding this concept, and by theway, I used to run from the word quantum.
I used to run from theword nuclear physics.
Me too.
Because I found and yeah.
Because I found, I didn'tunderstand mindfulness
too.
Yeah.
I didn't understand it.
The reason that people run from thingsis 'cause they don't know something.
They don't understand something.
(14:36):
Yeah.
And then when you start to really lookup words that you don't understand
and clear the words definition andreally get a good handle on it.
You'll study any subject whatsoever.
So I started leaning into quantumphysics and quantum resonance, and I'm
not afraid to look into that stuff nowbecause I know what I'm talking about.
If I don't know what I'm talkingabout, I'll look the word up.
Get a good understanding of it.
And once I started doing that, Istarted to realize that, wait a
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minute, I am responsible for theenergy that I'm bringing into any
environment, and I do not wanna bethe one to bring the environment down.
Like
when I, when
agree,
when I go to the gym, forexample, there's people at the
gym working out on their own.
They're doing their thing.
But I told my Kinzie the otherday, when we come into the
gym, it's not just about us.
We have a responsibility to bringthat gym up or bring that gym down.
(15:19):
People are watching you at all times.
You might think you're doing your workoutand nobody's paying attention, but trust
me, they're paying attention and here'swhat they're trying to figure out.
I don't really feellike working out today.
Should I go hard or shouldI just take it easy today?
I. Then they, let's say theyfall into that category.
I'm gonna take it easy today.
They're looking for reasons tovalidate that desire that they have.
(15:42):
And so they'll look around theroom or the gym and they'll see the
people that they wanna latch onto tovalidate that, that average thinking.
And if you're that person that theylook at, and you let them validate that
feeling of taking it easy that day,you're responsible for their workout
and you're responsible for that humanbeing, whether you like it or not.
And so I told my kids, yougotta go when you go to the gym.
(16:04):
You have to set an intention beforeyou walk in the door that you're gonna
crush it that day and you're gonna goafter it because people are watching.
You could also be the person thatinvalidates that feeling and makes
them decide and inspires them to goharder and do something extra today.
So I said that to my kids one day.
We're at the gym.
The next day we're in there.
My sons gets on this treadmill.
It doesn't have a motor.
It's one of the ones where youcontrol it and it's very difficult.
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You can sled push, you can runon it, jog on it, walk on it.
But it's like very it creates resistance.
And my son's going hard on it.
And I said, wow.
That's, great job bud.
This guy comes up to him and says,Hey man, I just finished lifting.
I was gonna, I wasn't gonna run today,but I just saw you doing your thing there.
And I gotta get my run in today.
And that happened the day after.
I just told the kids this lesson.
(16:47):
So I, I pretend Shahid thatI, everybody that's always
watching me because I am, yeah.
Gotta be a living demonstration becausevibes matter and emotions are contagious.
Hundred percent.
And people will look at you to validatewhether they wanna be average or
they want to go to the next level.
Yeah.
So true.
And that concept that you'reexplaining, it's in, in every realm.
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Not just, for example, in the gym, even inour family like you mentioned, the kids,
our wife, the cousins, all the family.
It stands out, when you enter, when yougo for visiting or if you're hanging
out, your energy amplifies or decreases.
What's happening in that environment,and you'll see if someone comes
(17:33):
in and they're in a bad mood,you just pick it up right away.
Because we're vibrational readers.
That's what we naturally pick up.
When we elevate our internal world, westart vibing different, regardless of
the outside is just a different vibe.
The enthusiasm increasesfor life and what we do.
And that energy is super contagious.
(17:55):
And having a platform, like apodcast to do it is so important.
So if anybody out there is youknow, has that capability to
affect people in a positive way,definitely get your voice out there.
Don't hold back, start a podcast, dovideos, do whatever you can get out there.
'cause people need it.
They need your voice,they need your energy.
(18:17):
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
Can you share two, three practical stepsthat entrepreneurs can take today, start
immediately to start focusing more onbuilding people and not just profits?
Yeah.
Here's the thing.
You can do anything you want inlife, but you can't do everything.
So you need people.
Yeah.
People have everything we need exactly.
If you're not gonna be focusedon making people better around
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you, you're just gonna be limitedto the degree that you do that.
So i'm always thinking about how canI build the people around me and,
that could be just being an example.
That could be paying attention and beinga good listener to see what people need.
Being a servant, like the whole orgchart in companies is built wrong.
The CEO shouldn't be at the top.
It should be at the bottom.
Because they should be, serving.
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They should be down serving.
And then the company should go up thisway with the people that are just getting
started and all the lower level peoplethat they'd say lower level, they should
be the highest level because you onlyrise as a company to your best attitude
people, your best mindset people, thebest skilled people, you not the best,
the lowest level in your company.
So if you have somebody in yourcompany that's got a bad attitude,
the whole company's gonna suffer.
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So for me, I think the main thing for anyentrepreneur out there is to be really
clear on what you're looking to do.
Because without clarity, youhave chaos and confusion, and
it's impossible to be successfulwith chaos and confusion present.
So I'm always talking about how canI get the distractions eliminated
and be able to focus my attention,which is a limited resource attention.
We only have so many attention units thatwe can spend, and there's trillions of
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things even right here for us right nowthat we could be paying attention to.
So what am I gonna do?
Where am I gonna spend myattention units, right?
And how can I make sure thatthey're on the right thing?
I have to have clarity.
I need to know exactly what I wanna do,make a decision that's what I wanna do.
And that sets an intention.
Most people are going around life.
They have no clear and clearvision or clear intention so their
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attention doesn't have any direction.
And the attention then gets directedby outside sources, like the
media, like social media, like thepeople in your environment, your
spouse, your kids friends, whoever.
Okay.
And when that happens, you start topay attention to the wrong things.
Then you start living a lifewhere you're not advancing, you're
miserable, you're resentful.
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And you wonder why it allstarts with clarity, setting
an attention on what you want.
And that intention givesyour attention direction.
And then you start to cause andcreate based on your intention.
Because when you start payingattention to the things.
'cause it's directed by the intention.
You start to validate your intention bypaying attention to the right things, the
people in your life, the opportunities,the strategies different things.
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So it all starts with clarity.
Yeah, clarity is super important.
Now, if you could imagine, sayfor example, you imagine that
you, God forbid, lost everythingand you had to start over again.
But you get to keep threemindsets or habits you have
now, what would they be and why?
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Here's the thing.
I thought about this many times.
If I had to start over, right?
I came into the, we all did, weall came into this world butt
naked, not knowing how to talk.
Not knowing who is who, andno, no relationships, no
network except for our mother.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we made it this far.
So then
I think about, okay, if I had to startover again and I had to go back to being
butt naked, don't visualize that folks.
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But if I had to go back tobeing butt naked, but now I
have the ability to communicate.
I have the network, I have the wisdomand experience I'm built because
I went through things differently.
Imagine how far I can make it now.
So for me, starting over it's,I'm not starting over you.
It's impossible to start overbecause unless you lose your
memory, you're not starting over.
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But what would be the three mindsetsthat you would keep or have?
What are your go-to from whatyou have right now in your life?
Yeah.
Clarity,
the understanding, likeknowing what I want.
Clarity, knowing what I want.
Okay.
Because I need to set my attentionso that I can direct my attention.
Yeah.
Target calls and create.
Number one.
Number two is enjoy all parts of life.
Enjoy all parts of life.
The parts that don't go the way you expectthem to is where you're being built.
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Yeah.
So that's important.
Yeah.
A hundred percent agree.
And then the third thing I would sayis, look, I, me, I'm not in, I'm not
in control of my life to the degreethat I'd like and expect to be.
We all have things that we wantto go our way, but I'm a believer
in God and I believe God hasa way and I like to surrender.
And I found a lot of valuein surrendering to God's Way.
Now that doesn't mean that I don't geta clear vision of what I want to do.
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Okay.
'cause we've been given dominion andfreedom free will to have a desire.
But I believe the desires that we haveand when we get clear comes from God.
But we don't listen to it a lot of timesor pay attention to it or create space.
Yeah.
Or remove the blockagesto receive the message.
I believe
our intuition, our desires, whenwe're focused on God come from
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God, and then we're clear on that,and then we can go from there.
Yeah.
It's so good what you just said because.
How much control do we really have?
It's great to have the targets.
We need all of those things and wekeep improving and getting better and
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creating because we have hands and feet.
We're built that way to create.
But at the end of the day, how,where we get to be turning and guided
towards when we have that calmer mind.
That direction could shift.
It could be even a hundred x bigger thanwe could ever imagine, but is going in
the direction of where our energy andwhat we're feeling and what, how we,
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what we think this experience is, whatour perception of it is, that energy.
Helps with that direction, but we don'tknow what's gonna eventually happen,
but all we can care and what we can workabout, what we can actually fuse into is
the present moment and what we do in it.
And it's beautiful what you said.
It was really important for peopleto hear that from you as well.
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And I'm grateful to have this opportunityto have you on the show to share this,
to amplify that message you're sharing.
Yeah, my pleasure, man.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And what you just talkedabout attraction, right?
Yeah.
So you can be in a chase mode oryou can be in attraction mode.
Yeah.
Most people are living in a chase mode.
They're chasing the next thing.
They're chasing whatever they're tryingto make it through the next month.
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Chase chase relationships.
But everything changed for mewhen I started saying, listen, I
wanna create an attraction model.
I wanna create an attractionopportunity for people to come to me.
I wanna track opportunities to me.
And how do you do that?
Yeah.
Number one, you gotta get, you gottaget really clear on who you are.
And what you wanna do.
And then you also number the nu thenumber three thing you need to do.
Two, the second thing youneed to do is get known.
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If you're not getting known andnobody knows you, you can have the
best product, the best service, havethe best intentions in the world.
Yeah.
But nobody knows who you are.
How can you help them?
So yeah, this goes to creating a way,a communication line, some way to
get your message out there, who youare, what you stand for, what you do.
And for me, I wake up every morning,no matter what level I get to, and
pretend nobody's ever heard of me.
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Because I don't wanna step back.
I don't wanna get complacent.
I need to make sure I'm always reachingout, always getting out there, pushing
content out there, going to events,meeting people, doing calls every day.
I do five to eight, 15 minute callswith total strangers every single day.
How do I do that?
I reach out on Instagram or reachout to people in my network that are
friends with other people and I DM them.
I'll send 'em a text, whatever Ihave access to, to communicate with
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them, and I say, Hey, let you know.
We gotta connect sometime.
I love what you're doing and I'dlove to explore synergy with you.
Let's hop on 15 minute call and exploresynergy, and then I get on 15 minute
calls with what I call perfect strangers.
Yeah, and we share what we're workingon right now that's got us excited.
We share what our vision is, we sharewhat our challenges are, and then we
find synergy, whether it's podcasttogether, whether it's collab on
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something, whether I connect themor they connect me to somebody.
Maybe it's just encouragement.
Maybe it's just a friend and we justlet it go organic and see what happens.
But at the end of the day, I'mall about getting known and
building network and serving.
And it just, yeah, this is, itstarts to compound in a snowball
effect that starts to take place.
And before you know it, you lookback six months and you're like, wow,
look at, look what I've achieved.
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Look at all the people that trust me.
It's momentum.
This momentum.
And I relate to what you're saying somuch because I'm done with chasing,
I spent my entire life chasing andit was just really bad on my health.
It was bad on my mentality it wasjust the energy was all wrong.
And since I had my focus shiftedinwards, it's all about adding value.
(26:42):
And this platform as a podcast, superEntrepreneurs podcast is to just add
value through and is the focus ofhow much I could do for others how
am I impacting people's lives andthe guests that come on the show and.
We had a very interesting guestbefore on the show, and I think I
mentioned on your show too, thathe, David Drand he said similar to
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that, he just focuses on his garden.
He doesn't chase butterfliesanymore, that's really what it is.
You just water your seeds.
You're taking care of what youare, what you're doing as the human
being you are, and you're addingthat value, that's your focus.
And then not worrying about what isgonna happen, not having that stress.
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Doubt and worry having completefaith instead of that operating from
that energy you bring people intoyour life and that this attraction
stuff, it's so fricking real.
And I had a lot of trouble with this man.
Like I had this ideology growingup that everything has to be hard,
but it was, life doesn't haveto be hard when you operate in a
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specific energy because you will see.
People and the universe startswanting to help you get what you want.
Like you'll see people showingup just wanting to help you grow.
Like we are meeting together becausethere's an alignment of that energy.
Yeah.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
I love this stuff.
Yeah.
And by the way, when you startdoing things the right way, I say
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the right way, which is the wayto create an attraction model.
Things will start to appear.
People will start to appear that havealways been there, but they you don't
understand where they came from.
You'll start seeing money comein that you, you can't even
comprehend where did this come from?
Like, how did this happen?
So true
man.
And it starts with understanding, changingyour subconscious mind into that you
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are very worthy and you're in, yes.
You're gonna handle things theright way and the money comes.
You're gonna be a greatsteward of the money.
Yeah.
And money's gotta flow.
So the other thing is people start.
This is a common myth that you gotta getbefore you give the giving comes first.
Yes.
Whether it's tithing, whether it'scommitting to a certain amount of
money to a charity, whether it'syou're giving your time, you're
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giving your strategy, your expertise.
Giving comes first.
And then hundred percent, all theother stuff comes because it's
just like a, it's like a currency.
It's like a flow.
And you, a lot of times peopleblock the flow of receiving
because they're not giving first.
And so for me I'm always looking foropportunities like, who can I serve today?
Where can I give?
Yeah.
It, I wake up in the morning,
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love it,
wake up in the morning some days,and I just go right onto the, go
onto the church website and donate.
And not donate, but tithe.
And then every time I do that, likemore money keeps flowing to me.
Yeah.
It's so true, Mike.
Man, it was great havingyou on the show, brother.
It was just phenomenal sharing thisspace with you and your presence
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and what you're doing for others.
The only thing I really have foryou is I wish you all the best.
I wish you all the thank you growthand see how we can collaborate further.
Thank you, man.
I appreciate you having me, Shahid.
It's been an my pleasure.
It's been a fun time here, man.
And if anybody wants to check me out,I'm on Instagram at Mikey Sea Rock.
Check me out there and DM me.
Perfect.
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