Captain America Review, Super Bowl Trailer Recap, Twisted Metal Season 2 Trailer, and more!

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It's not a bird, it's not a blank It's superhero sla.

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we love TV movies, superheroes
so let's talk it all out My name is Chris My name
is Mike and this week we've got your capt in America brave new world review
I's true We are one of thousands
of people reviewing this movie this weekend so I feel like we're getting lost
in there but that's fine. uh We also we're going to recap the trailers

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from last week's Super Bowl as uh we we like to do uh trailers uh trailers commercials.
I also put some commercials down
uh as well that I remembered.
And I tried to do this off off memory, Mike.
I didn't look them up, so I I'm going to hope to see if you remember any as well.
Twisted metal season two looks authentic
to the games and I'm thoroughly surprised they actually did something like that, Mike, and that's why I brought it up

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and more.
Yeah, we uh I'm
glad we make the right choice uh last week where
we didn't hop back on the horn to talk about Super
Bowl trailers, because there's a few, but definitely not
enough to prop up an entire second episode of the podcast in a week.
If Jurassic Park and um Fantastic Four had waited,

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I would probably disagree with you, but since the two big ones were
Wednesday and Thursday of the week before, uh absolutely
just kind of took the set. wind out of the sales, if you will, for the rest of them.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's probably a smart call because I don't know at
least in my feeds for the first couple days after the Super Bowl.
It was just nothing but uh Kendrick Lamar means.

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and I was living for him.
They were hilarious it was great. uh I had I
would I went back and rewatched the halftime show on YouTube uh a
couple times so I think that's honestly what took it away for me.
I mean we're all living in the future now so we all know the game
was incredibly boring, but exciting if you were an Eagles fan, but just

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or if you really hated the Chiefs, I suppose it was a really good game.
I have I have no strong feelings either way, but I love a good
play, especially whenever like, oh, there's
interceptions and you sack the quarterback because that's my favorite two things to do in NFL blitz Mike.
So those are my favorite.
So I don't care which team's doing it
as long as exciting gameplay things that you don't expect show up.

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So that's what I like for that.
Yeah, so that whole media event is over.
You know, we can kind of get back to regularly scheduled
silliness on this show and the very first silliness
um we finally have all we have both
tried the trifecta of new quarter one

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2025 sodas, which is the Dr. Pepper Blackberry,
the orange cream, uh Coca-Cola and the Pepsi wild cherry
and cream.
We just, Chris just literally
tried the orange Coke on Friday before we hit record.
I found it like two days ago randomly at a target.

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I thought it was going to take forever to find it but my assumption
is that Cokeke has a much better distribution team
and plan than these other cans because I was hunting down these other
cans like my life depended on it like weeks and weeks and weeks but
we finally tried them all. uh so uh
Chris, what is your just initial like power ranking if you had to rank the three, how are they ranking?

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Yeah so uh Pepsi wall cherry and cream at the top, uh
Dr. Pepper blackberry at the bottom and uh coco orange cream right in the middle.
That's that is hands down the the
first set from all three of those told me how I was going to feel.
And I know you're going to be different and we've talked about why you're different
on on some of these, but uh those are my top three or those
are the three in order Pepsi number one,oke second, pepper bottom, where you at?

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Yeah, we're close.
I think Peps Pepsi wild cherries and cream is the
top, but honestly, it's because it's the safest.
I mean, this is a this is a flavor that kind of already
really exists in some fashion, especially if you have
if you visited like any sort of like freestyle machine.
I know Pepsi has their own, but even like you can make like a cherry vanilla Coke very easily.

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So cola with vanilla and cherry, so the cream
in this they say orange cream, cherries and cream, the cream is vanilla.
It's vanilla flavoring
in these drinks.
So it is literally half to me, and I think I told you this, it's half Pepsi
wild cherry and half vanilla Pepsi in in one drink.
And for some reason that just works, with with Pepsi.
And I think that's why I would rank it number one as well with you.

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Yeah, it's great.
I even tried it in a like a 20 ounce bottle
and I think cans are far superior to bottles, but it was even great there.
The Dr. Pepper Blackberry
I'd put in second place, um they're kind of um they're kind of weighing on me a little bit.
I had an entire 12 pack and you know, I was like oh these are these are good.

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I can drink these, but then now I'm like, I have like maybe six cans left.
I'm like ugh, this kind of seems like work.
Like I'm drinking one right now just to get through it.
But then I would put the orange Coke at the bottom.
I bought a 12 pack because it was the first way I found it.
I sometimes I only ever see like cans in my area.
I never get the bottles, so like I have to get it now.

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and I crack I cracked open the first can.
I was like I do not need 11 more of these.
So uh but my wife my wife likes them so I think
she will work through those Coke zero uh orange creams.
I to me and and this is what it comes out and I saw someone else post
this last night is that the Dr. Perry Dr. Pepper Blackberry
fake blackberry flavor to me tastes like cough syrup.

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And Mike, um
you you have an affinity for that flavor,
that that that tone and I do not like the second I had that Dr.
Pepper Blackberry, I looked at my like we've made a huge mistake by these.
Like I was the other way with your Coke orange cream.
I was like I was like, no, I'm good.
I don't think I need to have any more of these ever again, unless I find something to mix them with.
But

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on the flip side, oroke to me always goes
great with like a citrusy thing, like a Coke a lot, like a lime Coke, right?
I think you were showing me like lime coconut diet Coke this week as well.
Oh, yeah, I I went to like the
flavored water enhancer things, uh, what are they called like meat meos or something like that?

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And they and Target had its own store brand.
It was coconut lime.
And we've talked about these dirty sodas that the Mormons
invented in Utah like a thousand times on the show, but
their kind of default like flavor that they invented.
The first one was like a coconut lime and then I think they also put like creamer in it too.

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So I was like, hey, we're like halfway to a dirty soda.
So
the only thing is is like these things add like sweetness
so you have to be like really gentle with it when you add it to a diet Coke.
Yeah, and I just think I think just citrusy things, orange lime,
probably I think lemon Coke was pretty good too.
They just seemed to to cut through the Coke sweetness to me

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and I like that.
So so for me, Cokeorn and cream has has the the heads up,
but obviously, uh these are all personal preference, right?
one could have their own flavor.
So if anyone else has had these, let us know.
I think this is where we we maybe we already shot it out, but the um
we're going to add on here the monster blue Hawaiian.
Was it the ultra blue Hawaiian can we talked about last week as well?

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I had another one yesterday.
That was great be better warm
after the second I'm wish it wasn't raining and snowing here in in Louisville, but
absolutely great we're in the season
of flavor, Mike with it's all the new flavors are dropping, so I I'm
excited for this as we go through it.

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If you're ready, let's jump into the Super Bowl, which none
of these drinks had Super Bowl commercials, if I
remember correctly, um I don't remember a Dr. Pepper blackberry one.
Coke, I'm pretty sure had one, but I don't know about Pepsi.
But anyway, the Super Bowl last week,
commercials and trail we're going to go to commercials because we have a lot about talk
about the commercial we talk about trailers.

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So the commercial systemed out to me, Mike and I texted you this right away, the
Instacart cinematic universe absolutely love
this because you get all of the weird mascots,
what was it was a puppy monkey baby was in this one?
Jolly green giant, all the mascots from all the food
things that Instacart can deliver to you right there on this trailer.

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It was fun to see them all and kind of come together for this.
I would watch this before I'd watch Space Jam two again
with all the Warner brother properties sitting around the little basketball court
uh for that.
This was a weird commercial for me because you see all these kind
of like brand mascots and I was like, is this so weird like
Proctor and gamble or Johnson & Johnson commercial?

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And then usually when a big corporation like that makes a commercial,
it's because I don't know they killed a bunch of people in a factory so now they have
to like generate good PR by bringing all
rolling out all the mascots but weirdly I was relieved
when I saw it was an Instacart commercial.
I was like oh okay so at least it's not from the corporate
overlords yeah it well there was like a Chester Cheet was one of them.

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I know that the Kool-id man busted out of a
out of a window uh interergizer Bunny I think as well.
So to me that was fun uh because it kept me guessing
like like you said I was like who's this for?
Nobody owns all these things.
Do they?
They probably do.
And then lastly the other one I I have in here, I just have
two is that uh seals Baha blast seal commercial,

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a kiss from a lime which they have turned into a vinyl single
record as well, Mike, that you could buy for your record player.
This was just
funny number one, I have an affinity for KISRose
because of the Batman forever movie, because that's the song they play
in that movie. uh and sealed the ability for him to not take himself seriously

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as a seal.
It was it was just even.
But since you brought the commercial up, now I have to
bring out my Apple box.
I have to stand and deliver and just throw my
fist up at a cloud and wiggle it because this was not a Super Bowl commercial.
I know that they will tell you it was
I know they will say internally when they were like project managing it.

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This is our big game commercial.
Then why did I see this commercial four days
before the Super Bowl?
Yeah, it was I saw so so
many of these commercials during the Super Bowl were all fed
to me through YouTube days beforehand.
It got to the point where like you can kind of tell when
a commercial starts if it has a little extra like zest to

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it, a little bit more cinematic quality right off the bat, especially when you're nearing the Super Bowl.
Like, oh, this is a Super Bowl trailer and they're just feeding it to me
early.
I'm going to like skip it or like look away or something like the
Doritos's commercial with like the UFO like sucking the Doritos up same saw that days early.
So I know it feels like so weird to like complain

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about commercials because I'd rather listen to in a world where
they didn't exist, but like there used to be like a
lot of fun and pomp and circumstance to the Super Bowl commercials.
Now it's like all meaningless.
It's like why am I even watching the Super Bowl?
Like I can get all these commercials like days before I
had no preconceived notion on any of these

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uh at all.
So I I feel sorry for you because for me the magic's still there.
I don't know.
I don't know how I avoid them.
Maybe I I pay for YouTube premium.
Maybe is that it?
Is that why I'm not seeing them?
Maybe?
Probably, yeah.
Yeah.
So I had I had a great and the fact that they actually
mountain Dew and taco Bell are like the two brands.
I'm like, they're going to do a weird commercial than have something like a prop that you can get with it.

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And I I'm glad they put this little kiss from a lime single out on on that.
Now, now is there any other a non,
I guess, a trailer commercials that that ring out to
you, Mike, that you were like, that's great or that was really, really bad.
I couldn't think of anything else.
I mean, that's probably not a great sign

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from the perspective of the amount of money it cost to air these commercials
that a week later, that's all we can remember is
uh puppy monkey baby shaking the rattle and then uh a seal as seal.
And I will tell you the one thing about these commercials,
I will also, uh a lot of them are brand awareness.
They're not announcing new products.

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I didn't feel anything.
I think the one that kept me guessing the most, there was the
the open A eyes chat GPT commercial or whatever.
I was like there's a bunch of dots in here,
but they're not they' not they're not changing my sentiment towards these brands uh at at the end of the day.
So I think that's important.
But I will tell you my least favorite

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thing to come out of the Super Bowl was the Superman spot,
uh the little promo video, the Super Bowl cut
clip with the Nathan Fillian's
green lantern in that and it was during the popular and there
was no real commercial for Superman, nothing new.
It was just this and I fucking hate this so much, Mike.

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I can't tell you how much I hate this.
uh I mean I'm even using strong language because number
one is a Superman movie and they were like ah, don't worry about all the extra characters.
We're going to focus on Superman.
There was no Superman.
It's just Nathanillian being Smarmy in his bulka
as as a guy gardener Green Lantern.
And I just hate it so much, Mike.

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How do you feel as strongly as I do because I
it's bothering me.
It's just it's uh, I mean, I guess this
is probably from the mind of uh James Gunn.
He kind of is a weirdo at heart.
I mean, I guess this is something.
I mean, we weren't really hyped up for the Super Bowl.
We kind of knew that Superman wasn't going to be making an appearance.

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So at least I don't feel like I was let down.
They said they were going to do something during the poppy bowl.
No, they they said we're going to do a Superman thing during the puppy bowl and this is what it was.
Well, I never was expecting a
full trailer because that just is that's a waste of money to do it at the puppy bow.
I mean, well because they Warner Brothers owns it.

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They they don't have to pay for it.
That is why like that is why they would they do it in the.
They they literally just like, oh, it's our airtime.
We'll put whatever we want on it.
I mean, I got to assume that this bull
cut is referenced in the movie.
Like they got to be making fun of his hair.
Because I mean, if they're making fun of it already, it's
got to be it's got to be a joke in the movie.

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I need to look at it real fast.
Warner Brothers movies 2025.
Mickey 17,
the parenting uh-
well, these are distributions, a working man Minecraft movie is
part of it final destination.
The accountant two
centers, I guess they have a bunch of movies this year, more than I thought.

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So I thought they'd have more did not care for that at all.
Moving on to uh we talked about
this knowing it was coming mission impossible, the final wreckoning trailer released, uh starting I think
it's one of those trailers that I like how
they open up the viewport a little bit, but it's a very silent trailer, right?
It feels like the first one we watched several months ago. um

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but like we always say, Tom Cruise is trying to he's trying to kill himself with these stunts.
Like every time he does a stunt, he's like, I'm done do it myself.
He's just he's just trying to end himself.
And I think this one is the airplane.
They save it for the end, right?
They always save it a stunt for the end.
It's the uh he's flying on the side of the airplane that's
actually him and not c kind of along the way yeah
the uh uh the I feel like I recall

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seeing him hold on to a like a biplane like that
um a prop plane early on in the franchise, but I could be wrong.
I mean, the biggest problem with the mission Iossible
movies they're not totally unlike the fact fast and furious
movies where I can't tell any of them apart.
I can remember different set pieces and

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occasionally a villain here are there, but
after the second movie, it's all just one
big amalgamation of like Tom Cruise like running
as fast as he can and and a ti and like high speed chases.
I would liken it maybe more to the like the board movies because
I I know the Bour movies and I could pick out a couple of scenes, but I couldn't tell you which one it was a part of

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more than Fast and Furious because at least Mission
Impossible movies feel like they're trying to make a movie and fast
and furious movies feel like they're trying to make a parody uh or or something awful.
So I would I would like maybe maybe more to the Bour movies, but yeah, I
I don't I know this is a we know this is a sequel to the first one, which was dead reckoning

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originally child dead reckoning part one this supposed to be part two,
but they they've kind of gotten away from those part one and part two names uh recently.
But um I I think I think this
might be maybe the last Mission Impossible movie Mike uh before they reboot it with somebody new.
and Yeah, reboot it or or I don't know spin
it off like maybe they'll actually kill Ethan Hunt or maybe

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they'll do like a um a uh the
final Batman Nolan film where we
can't be entirely sure, you know, if he's dead or not, that
kind of maybe feels a little bit more rhyatic for the character, you know?
Yeah, absolutely.
And I would say uh much like the original
uh the Jason Bour franchise, they had remember

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they had Jeremy Renner in like the fourth or fifth one and he was supposed
to kind of take over the role of Bish impossible.
And I'm like, oh, he had a he had so many roles lined up that
never really came to fruition along the way.
So
um yeah, they could definitely hand it off, but I think they're going to bring back
a lot of people from even Mission
Impossible One They brought someone back they brought a couple of people back in the last movie.

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So I think they're trying to maybe, like you said, kind
of wrap up this story and then maybe if they move forward, it'll be
it'll be new.
But yeah, I think I think Mission imposs movies, they're
coming out faster than James Bond movies, Mike, and I I enjoy watching them.
uh so hopefully uh we we we
get this coming out end of May end of May this year along the way.

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ove it up how to train your Dragon, uh the live
action remake of the animated movie. uh I believe is
this Dreamworks is that is it Dream Works movie?
um I
I I think how train dr Dragon's good.
I don't revisit it.
I don't know if I've ever revisited it.
They're doing a shot for shot live action remake of the original
movie almost exactly and I feel that's cool,

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but we've talked about this on the showing if they don't take a swing, they don't
make a change why even just why live action it along the way?
Yeah, I kind of hate it.
I hate it as trailer in a way
because it' essentially just looks like somebody
did like another render pass on the movie and made
it look more realistic and took out all of the charm and character.

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And it also like
I I suppose I should wait to fully judge the visual design
and the set decoration and the costuming until
I get maybe a longer trailer or I sit with the movie.
But what I've seen in the trailer looks like bad
Cosplay or just good cosplay, because Cosplay

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just tries to replicate what is already on the screen.
You know, when you'd make something live action, I feel like the
costuming should be elevated, right?
We should be seeing more textures and like natural
fibers, you know, something that make it feel unlike a cartoon
or even the hair, like they gave this dude like cartoon hair.

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Like Gat looks exactly like hiccup from the animated movie, but like that's a cartoon character.
Like this is like a real human who's a Viking.
And I know his character is his archetype is supposed
to be like, you know, against type of a Viking and that's what makes him special.
But like he doesn't even look like he lives
in the same world with how he looks.

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do you think his nose is that big in real life or is that a prosthetic?
Because that that has a huge nose.
That's that's a good for the question I think the the biggest problem I have
is uh what's the main dragon's
name it

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looks almost down to
like the p of what it's a modern it's
a modern render of the how to your movie.
It looks like a would have that they would have done a little bit more
visual development like I'm not saying drastically changed
but your reason to go to the theater to see a lot see

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a live action like there's there there's no reason here.
Yeah, well I I also I mean you might be the audience one day.
I don't have kids who watch how to train your Dragon one,
two and three, but I I think the shot for shot remakes are
they they feel lazy.
I think I think everything you're saying kind of agrees with that, right?
Like they're not really doing anything different.

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They're not trying to elevate that.
I don't mind how the dragons look.
The dragons look cool.
That's awesome, but everything else just feels
just low effort, if you will, kind of along the way.
And I wish maybe like, hey, we're going to redo how to train your dragons live action.
Maybe there's a twist that's coming and they're just showing us the stuff
that looks the same, but I have a high

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a huge suspicion that this is going to be identical to the other women.
And they even got um oh my gosh, what's his name?
uh Mr. 300 himself to do the live action
version of his Viking that he voiced in the original movie.
Yeah, I can think of everything else but his name in South Park, he was fighting around the world.

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No, no no that's Russell Crow.
It's Russell Crow it was Russell, no it's a guy
who was the main guy in 300.
have to the messages
about this is Gerardler
it'

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I don't.
It doesn't.
It feels like I know you know see
how to train a you know we've seen the trailers.
We have toys.
We've been living it for years.
They're going to go see it and it'll it'll probably do well.
But you know as as someone who
they had the animated version, they can still watch it and

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they don't need a live action version next to it on when they're like trying to pick which one to watch, right?
So, um, hopefully they do differences.
And despite what you say, you know, like, oh, Disney does live action rem remix all the time.
Yeah, but they they change up a lot of that stuff, right?
Like I feel like
uh, uh snow white and seven doors feels different.
uh Dumbo was different. uh Alice Wonderland was different.

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So I think there's opportunities to, you know, show shit up a little bit, if you will.
All right, so the trailer I was most excited for, Mike uh in the one
I think it has like the most interesting things to talk about was
the thunderbolts and they have only had like a little spot during the trailer
during the Super Bowl and they're like, all right, the full trailer is online, which they they do.

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So we got the full trailer
released online for the upcoming Marvel movie Thunderbolts now that Captain America is behind us.
We can look forward to this.
And um
it's I don't know how to describe this, Mike.
It's not dark, but this movie is very greycoded,
like shadowcoded, like when I was watching it, like the trailer.

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Does that feel
accurate to you watching the trailer?
Yeah, well, yeah, I feel like our we were a little bit more lighthearted that first teaser around.
Now we're seeing people like obliterated into shadows,
which is a very interesting visual effect.
Like we haven't really seen anything quite like that in the MCU.
like maybe there's some there's been some magical things

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like if I can try to recall maybe stuff that happened
in like Thor two, maybe those are kind of the feelings I get like,
oh, there could be like a dark elf, you know, like that could do something like that.
but I mean, we get to hint at the villain, uh doing some stuff.
We get a hint at the the centry,
just the hair like his his his his thing, but like it

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was more of the team kind of coming together being, hey,
does anybody fly or do energy glass?
No we only just punch and shoot.
Well shit, we got to figure this out.
Which is a great line.
I mean, like Yelena has just become quickly the
standout in the MCU formation.
She's just so much fun.
I love the charisma.

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It must be really fun just to write for her, you know, because she's kind of like this
aloof character that kind of just seems like,
you know, the life that she has now, it's just it's just all
like, oh, yeah, I used to just be kind of be this uh, this widow and told what to do.
And now I just kind of get to kind of hang out and do whatever I want.
It's very like nonchalant, but she's also a badass so she's

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never really threatened wherever she goes because she's so good at what she does.
I just love that idea.
I mean we I feel like we we're operating on a different level
of information because you're are our uh a
century freakazzoid know everything about the character.
He's one of your favorite.
You know all about his alter ego and identity.
So

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we kind of are already theorized here on the show very
heavily that the century probably is going to be the villain in some way.
So I feel like this trailer is
all but kind of confirming what we kind of already knew.
You know, you see like a shadowy version of him, which
I assume has to be the void in some way.
So, um I guess now the question is

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like, oh, how does he get to that point?
You know, how how do they tie this into
the MCU, which is more grounded than the comic books, right?
Like how do they bring him into this?
We got to see Julie Louiseyfus's character the Avengers Tower under construction even,
you know, what's her role in all this?
I will say again, the biggest draw here is Sebastian's Bucky.

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Yian is great.
I have no doubt her, but to see Sebastian, he's growing his hair back out as Bucky, right?
He's not doing the the high and tight cut.
He's grown it back out.
He yanks cars.
He literally single-handedly, you know, gets the
uh the other the other people,
you know, Yolena red Guardian, US agent ghost has.

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Like he he wrangles them all up at some point.
Like he's a return to badassery Bucky, right?
He's not the guy who was like in Falcon when a soldier who was like literally pulling his punches.
Not yeah, if I. So like I'm glad we're back to him
being able to flip a car with his arm, right?
And and just being in the the bucky that we we

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know from, I guess pre pre-what Infinity War era
kind of bucky. um with that,
uh there are a lot of people online.
I've seen a lot of articles here believing
that uh some character will die because they're not
featured in the trailer enough, Mike. uh, and uh that

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is uh the that the Olga
inko's taskmaster.
Now, I will say this, you know this as well as I do.
Marvel edits their trailers pretty heavily.
They edit things out.
They'll hide things.
They'll do shots that are different different outfits, stuff like that.
They this this character could very well be hidden

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in these shots uh kind of along the way.
Also Taskaster, I don't I don't think talks, right?
Do you remember I don't remember that character I was talking either.
So they might not be like, we need to have them here, but they don't have any lines along the way.
Like if I had to if I had to play devil's advocate against that rumor, it would be
out of the cast of characters that we have here on the screen.
Taskaster seems to be the most cloak and dagger out of all of them.

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Like literally, I think there's daggers.
So, you know, I could see this character like dropping
out of the story and maybe popping back up in the third back kind of out of nowhere from a bush.
Well, right.
Yeah, if you're going to send someone off screen to hey, go run blackouts
while we're doing send the person who doesn't talk, right?
Like,
oh, it could literally be anyone in them in that suit.

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Like they don't show their face very frequently.
You know, so I
think everyone, everyone is technically probably other than than Bucky and Yolena.
Everyone's life is on the line in this movie.
no one is guaranteed to make it out alive, but at
the same time, boy, have they has

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Marvel like, you know, tried to throw the story one way with the trailer and
really it's kind of kind of gone the other way a little bit.
I think that's that's true with the brave new world we'll talk about that uh full spoilers at the end of the show we review it, but I think
that's that's how it's going to go.
Also, there was an international poster released
with this that said Asterisks, uh
you know, uh the thunderbolts Ast and then the Asterisks,

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the Avengers aren't available, um which could
be a translation to like the title of the Avengers
is enable to be used like because it's international.
It might not be a one for one
uh translation.
So I think that would be interesting.
It's like, yeah, we they're called the thunderbolts because they can't call themselves the Avengers, right?
Like we well, we can't we're not officially titled Avengers.

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We had to come up with a new name
kind of thing.
I think that I'm really curious.
I don't know if Marvel would do this to kind of take it the next level.
I mean, we're all assuming that the Asterisks
at the end of thunderbolts is a name change for the team at the end of the team.
That's kind of the prevailing theory.
And we have seen in real life scenarios where movies are retitled.

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You know, usually the essence of the movie name is still in there.
They'll either drop a subtitle or maybe add a
subtitle, but it would be kind of next level if after this movie
is out for like three months and people have had their time to see it.
And when it drops on like Disney Plus, they like change the name to like
the dark Avengers Avengers or whatever.

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That would be like that would be kind of like fun.
Like I think that would uh it would annoy one part of my
brain of like, well now you're just really screwing up the Google search history on this thing.
But it would be kind of like a fun like to
make it thunderbolts with a subtitle new Avengers at that point, right?
Like keep thunderbolts, but then you add the
new Avengers after the fact, because, you know, some

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movies have done oh well speaking and Tom Cruise movies was itive I repeat?
Was that one movie he did uh, or like, you know, um
something it was that had had like three different names,member the
one where he was I repeat.
So they actually changed the name of that movie after it came out.
I don't think it helped it, but like
when you have something like this prominent that I think that would be fun to

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be like, oh, you know something has happened.
They become the dark Avengers, no Avengers or whatever they call themselves.
Maybe it's not even not even relevant.
It's just like a kind of a fun thing at the end of the movie
that they they do that.
I agree that would be really fun.
But yeah, I'm excited to see this movie.
Again, that's our next Marvel movie.
Again, I I'm trying to put my bias for the century aside.

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I will say my wife leaned over.
She'd not seen this trailer when we saw Captain America brave the world and she was like,
who's a villain in this movie?
I'm like, oh, I know I'll tell you in the car ride home in the length and detail.
Yeah, I was I was like I was like, I'm
not going to tell you, but know that the century's in this and she was like, oh my God, really?
I'm like, yeah, she's like, I bet you're so excited.

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I'm like you have no idea.
You have no idea what's for this.
So, um yeah, uh every trailer that
we talked about for possible how to train drag thunderbolts those links are in our show notes
for anyone who's listening wants to follow a long or go back and reference those as well.
Moving in some news here, some official news,
uh Spider-Man, uh four, I think they don't have a name for it yet.

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Spider-Man Four is officially filming the summer and fall 2025
this year in the UK because uh there's a uh
one of those competitions where you can uh, I think donate
and then you can win a chance to be
someone on set meet Spider-Man for in person and be on set while they're filming this meet.

(32:22):
Yeah, meet uh you slow down.
But an all expenses paid trip for two to London
with a thousand dollar spending cash.
You get to go on set,
a selfie with Tom Holland, you get to take a picture, you
get to get lunch with Tom, uh two tickets to any West End show of your choice.
That's kind of funny um But I guess that gives us an idea of when the movie's filming.

(32:44):
Yep, yep it says uh all expenses pay trip for two to London UK summer slash autumn
2025.
So um that summer kicks off, I guess what,
June 22nd proper uh is is when that kind of kicks off through that.
So there's a nice little three, four, five month window other film in it.
So they will be filming
Spider-Man four in London as well.

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We do know that also, oh, well
it's just going to go into our next topic here, Mike, because I don't have anything else for Spider-Man,
uh is that the Doomsday starts filming uh March
slash April in the UK officially.
So they will be working on Doomsday
with Tom Holland and then he'll just essentially go to the studio next door to work on Spider-Man four.
It sounds like.

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And uh some actors already there had a schedule.
uh They're like you know, I think Chris Himsworth was there, Sebastian Stan.
A couple of other people uh are you know spending time
in the UK getting situated and getting ready for this longer
production shoot.
So, uh I I can't wait to start getting
some some set photos, Mike, because I literally have no idea what
this movie's about. uh I'm I'm so in the dark on everything kind of going on.

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It is really crazy.
We've never really gone into an Avengers movie
kind of quite like this before.
It's funny because the Avengers have never really
in the history of the MCU been like a
a team, it almost feels like.
It feels like they just briefly came together in the first movie and
like somebody just called them The Avengersgers.

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And then uh it seems like they had a lot of fun
adventures before Ultron that we never got to see that kind of solidified
them as a team and then they just started breaking apart and fracturing and they never really came back together.
So we never really got to see their kind of like seasoned
team, like just, you know, clocking in and out at the office, like doing like Avengers stuff.

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So I guess we've never really had like a clean entry into an Avengers
movie, but it does feel weird going into Avengers Doomsday, like
having no idea where we're at.
You know, we'll talk about brave New World here at the end
of the show, but we've seen from the trailer without a spoiler that Ross wants him
to restart the Avengers, uh with speculation
that thunderbolts might be called the new Avengers.

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Like what kind of team are we cooking up going into uh doomsday?
And there's like a lot of legacy characters right?
You know, we haven't seen Captain Marvels since the Marvels, you know, uh
Mark Ruffalo's Hulk, uh Wong, Dr. Strange, like there's a bunch of people
who have been part of the Avengers and were part of those initial movies.
We've not caught up in a hot minute.
So how are they going to get here?

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How How do they all arrive at the same place?
So I I'm excited to to learn more.
I don't want everything.
Obviously we don't want to be spoiled before we go into the movie, but knowing
that they've got a script, they've got directors, you know, we're getting Robert Denny Jr.
We've got one uh fantastic four introducing
us to that team and a different universe before we kick off this movie.

(35:36):
We got a lot of a lot of a lot of ingredients in the bowl.
We got to mix together to make this cake.
And uh
I really I really just want some cake uh to come out nice.
So May 1, 2026, so we're coming up um, you know, 14 months or so um
uh 14 and a half months before it comes out.

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So they are filming that and we'll keep you guys supposed to we hear anything else.
And I'm going to switch gears into the sequel to
that Avengers uh secret wars. uh
will film one year after doomsday per Anthony Mackey, so they're going to make
doomsday this year and Spider-Man four and then kick
off after post-pduction, filming doom

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filming secret wars while doomsdays in theaters, which is kind
of how they did, I think Infinity warn End game, right?
They didn't do them back to back They's what I was about to ask.
I couldn't remember if it was a back-to-back situation.
Yeah, they said they couldn't make it work or it was too hard to edit
one movie and make one movie while they were doing two.
So they they did them separately.
So I feel
that's a smart move on their behalf, right?

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rather than trying to make two movies in one go, they can make
individual movies along the way.
I just I just hope they don't give the R Russo
Brothers like just full control because they've quote unquote like proven themselves.
I've seen so many movies, so many directors just like
go in a downt trend and like nobody gives

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them any sort of creative pushback or like kind of creative like limits.
They just let them run free.
So I hope that relationship that existed during Infinity
War and endgame is still kind of solidified and presses forward.
Yeah.
And and obviously with uh Bob Iers take qual quality over quantity,

(37:20):
um they they all know they know they got to hit it out of the park with these.
They got to end this this phase uh that was
troubled with Bob Shapek stuff with the um Kang actors,
dismissal and problems kind of along the way.
They've got to really kind of come together here
uh next next year and and over
the next two years and kind of wrap it up and get a nice clean slate to introduce Xen and all the other fun stuff.

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And again, I don't think, again, the Russo um only
really operate on good scripts and good content that already exists.
So hopefully the um
whichever writer it's one of the writers, not both of them coming back from In
War in game uh tells that story, right in the right direction with them.
uh I showed this with you last time.

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Like uh Fantastic Four has um an iMac specific intro.
So uh when you go see an iMmaX movie they do the countdown that says only an
iMac it's like from 10 to or nine to zero.
and it's always been like, you know, iMac and they've actually updated
that to be fantastic four themed uh with
the Fantastic Four theme song and everything.
And I think thought this was cool as hell.

(38:25):
I didn't actually get to see this before my movie.
We didn't see an iMac, but I
on on this um tweet that we have shared a
linked to that where this video is that someone filmed it in the theater, uh they
they call that it's another sign that Marvel Studios know that
fantastic for will be their big event hit for 2025.
And I think I agree with that you don't have iMac make a brand new intro on a movie

(38:48):
you're like half invested in, right?
So yeah, it's a good it's a it's a
really good move from iMx.
Like I don't know if it was Marvel's idea or iMx's idea, but like, hey,
we should just sell off the sponsorship rights of this countdown.
I bet they made a pretty penny off of it.
So whoever came up with that idea.

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I hope they got a promotion.
And it's a free trailer for fantastic Four without actually using the footage, but it's really cool.
It feels 1960s.
It feels authentic.
They've obviously done animation, but it feels like it's real.
You know, I like like tactical.
And then at the end, it says, um presented in fantastic
vision or fantastic vision. uh so they've really kind of gotten it on the branding here.

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I I love it.
It's just something little
not not a heavy lift, not a huge thing that you'll see,
but I recommend even check that out because I just think it's one of the coolest
little promos they've done so far.
We're going to touch briefly on the Harry Potter series, Mike.
Obviously, we are not the hugest potheads.
We've said that for years, but knowing HBO is going

(39:52):
all in on the TV series doing one
year, one season per book, going forward eight across, you know, uh seven books.
uh they have to start casting this and the first casting that has come out of
this so far uh is that John Lithgow,
uh known for such hits as 30 not uh was it
um oh my gosh, third rock from the Sun from

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the 90s obviously the biggest show ever everyone's seen it now.
uh Dexter, uh other Lord Farquad in in Shrek is in the final talks to be cast as
Dumbledore, uh which uh is interesting
uh along the way.
I have one interesting note on this one not interesting I have a note on this.
John let'sow I believe is he 79 already?

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uh He was born I'm now for other for other reasons.
1945.ster New York he is 79 years old if they're gonna do
seven years of this he will be 86 while I
do believe you know Hollywood age you know people
in Hollywood tend to to live a little longer they have access to

(40:57):
um yo doctors and stuff like that
Boy that's a risk to to see if someone pulls through for
a seven more years when they're what is until 80.
Spoilers, technically, does not have to make it all seven seasons.
Well, no, no, he has flash well, then they better
film his flashbacks in the last book early on

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because he will make an appearance in all seven books, whether that film is a good point.
I think the biggest change here, not a Brit.
That's why Google googled it. uh New York American born and bred.
I know Lithgow has a very specific
kind of way of speech and I would not
be shocked if somebody told me he has a great British he does actually.

(41:43):
He literally um just was in a movie.
I just I just pulled it up and I'm going to pull up again.
um oh my gosh it's a British show where
he's like like like a king or something.
It's like one of those like uh royalty movies. um
I'm going to find it, but he does have it because I was like it's like no way.
And then I looked up and he does have uh

(42:04):
he's been doing British exes lately like in the past like two years
But I mean, that's a that's a sign that now the the casting
kind of, I guess, unspoken rule for Harry Potter is broken.
These actors can come from anywhere now, I guess as
long as they can imitate a decent English
uh accent.
So I like there's been so many rumors

(42:26):
that I've seen pop up for the casting of this.
I'm curious to see how many of them are actually going to be true.
This this one is from deadline.
This is that's why all the other ones are like fan casting.
This is the only one I know that is actually being reported
on in like THR deadline, all the actual variety, all the big ones.
So
um which and obviously it doesn't matter. um oh
my gosh, was it was it conclave he was in?

(42:47):
No, the crown.
He he he was Winston Churchill in the Crown show.
So um
so I guess he's an honorary Brit.
Yeah, but he he wanted Emmy for it.
So obviously like I you're not going to win an Emmy if you can't do an accent
very well along the way.
So um
cool awesome uh I'm excited to watch these and see kind of how they changed them up.

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I have been revisiting Hogart Leg Legacy Mike because I've
been playing it in VR through the VR mod I showed you and uh
let me tell you if you don't have VR legs that game is not going to help you.
It does not help you one bit, but it is so cool
to walk around Hogwarts fly on a fly on a
broom, just see that that game from the first person point of view,

(43:30):
so maybe they'll add that in to some of the console versions later.
Mortal combat two is coming out later this year.
And boy, I really hope they do immortal combat in
this, but the first poster for this is actually not a mortal combat movie.
It's for uh a
uh Johnny Cage movie in the movie called Uncaged

(43:53):
Fury, uh which is from the studio that brought you rebel without a cage.
So uh call Urban is playing Johnny Cage in this.
He will be uh portraying the character from the video games.
I love Carl Urban.
I think he's great for this role.
I'm excited to see it, Mike.
I have nothing else to go on at this point other than hopefully they do a tournament along the way.

(44:13):
What do you think?
Yeah, I'm curious if this movie franchise has any juice left in it.
Even though it just started, but
I think it was like a pandemic movie if I Max.
It was one of the max ones that they put on Mac that you were
was also in theaters, so like they literally were like you can either watch it on Mac or go to the theaters

(44:35):
so it it didn't get any it never got any theatrical
in, but at the same time, my biggest point is there was no fucking tournament.
You can't have a mortal combat movie without a combat.
I literally never hear anybody anywhere talking about this movie so
I'm curious to see how it's going to go.
I think I mean, obviously it did well enough to

(44:56):
get a sequel without having theatrical returns.
Maybe maybe maybe some producer is like a really
big mortal combat fan and they they've got like a, you know, a real pull for it maybe.
But
I I'm trying to think is has K Carl Urban been in a bad movie or product lately?
Like I can't think of anything he's been in.
I'm like, oh, that was just okay.

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Like he he tends to be in stuff that elevates kind of he kind of elevates it a little bit, right?
Like
along the way.
So I was like, oh, he would you know, obviously he did he was in the Star Trek stuff.
He was in Lord of the Rings.
He's been in with the boys.
He's been in Thor Thora, not Love and Thunder the one before that Ragnar.
So
you know, hopefully he's uh, you know, he's he's able to kind of elevate it.

(45:41):
He's not picking bad stuff uh along the way.
So, but yeah, check that poster out, obviouslyviously it's not actually moral combat too.
um but oh, I I got change.
They said coming soon with a K because obviously it's mortal combat uh so
coming soon released eight from boom.
Surprise announcement.
Mike, we never talked about this I feel uh but secret level season

(46:02):
two is in confirmed by Amazon and Buller Studios.
didn't care for the first season.
I think they were there were just little fluff pieces that didn't
do much like, well, maybe we did talk about, right?
Because you said like PacMan was like, yeah, it's good, but like not
man mega man. it was like, oh, this is fun,
but it never really got to where it was good Like it was just like a little t for something better.

(46:23):
Honestly, like I have a strong feeling that like the me
short is already done and they just I feel like
they chopped it into like three parts and then just hoping that
they get three seasons out of it because it
really does feel like, oh, they just paused it.
We're like on a commercial break for the rest of it.
And Pac Man was weird enough to be was like, hey, we have a weird idea

(46:45):
or like someone's coming down off like some mushrooms or something like, well,
what if PacMan was controlling a person who was hungry?
And I'm like, I really didn't care for it.
It was kind of weird and I feel like nobody really knows the properties are working with them in there.
But um, you know, I I could probably finish them
all up here, you know, like an hour or someday probably go through.
There was talks that there was like, you know, blur St studios as trying to get

(47:06):
other properties, like trying to get halo in the doom guy in in a short.
So maybe the, I guess maybe the popularity,
the people talking about the first season could get other properties involved.
Like not the weird what's what was it PlayStation where like is a mailman
delivering mail and they had all the other Sony characters?
I'm like, what if we got a real God of war short, Mike, uh,

(47:28):
you know, with like cr credos rather than he's just helping a male guy deliver mail?
So would love to see that.
But um season two is confirm M on B Player studios.
Obviously blur St studos known for working on
Deadpool and um was it love
death and robots love sex and robots, whatever it is?
I think believe it's death.
Okay, whatever.
So yeah, move on.

(47:51):
twisted metal season two dropped a trailer.
This trailer was shown before Captain America brave for me, I actually saw this in theaters as well.
I need to it in here.
I sent it to you right the actual
trailer and what I will say, well, I don't
care for like the first one kind of just being like,
oh, it's a cross-country trip with Anthony Mackey and he's

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driving his cars and there's a clown chasing them like that's not twist of metal.
We talked about that to death when it first came out.
This
second season is actually the twisted metal gains.
They have calypso, the guy who grants you a wish if you win
twisted metal, you get to see specter, the guy who sucks spirits out of bodies.
the return of I can't.

(48:34):
He puts the arms in the wheel, like the twisted axle,
like these are the characters from the games, Mike, and they have to survive a tournament.
This is exactly what I want and I'm glad that season two
isn't continuing the story of a cross-country trip with Anthony Mackey, but is actually doing
the Twisted Metal Games.
Like I't credit for that.

(48:54):
I appreciate the hustle and the flex of announcing
this in front of Anthony Mackey's big Marvel movie,
you know, NBC Peacock Universal.
uh they're timing things appropriately.
They understand that this is their time to strike
uh, but I guess it was successful enough for them to make a second
season or a lot of people were like yeah I liked it um yeah,

(49:17):
but that was it they were like you should watch it and I liked it but there was nothing else but I'm like
I will I would just like mortal combat, I will beat it
to death if it's not following the actual game story, then it's not very interesting.
There is one scene in this where the clown dude his hair catches on fire, like in the game as well.
I was like, okay, so it looks like they' leaned in some goofier

(49:37):
stuff to kind of to play with those characters.
So I'm I'm on board thankfully, you know, I'll give
them the benefit of I'll watch the first season
to watch the second season because they actually
did something what looks to be right?
I'm not going to say it's good.
I'm not going to say it's identical to what it should be, but it looks like they actually listened when they made a second season, Mike.
So I will give them a little bit of a little bit of a boost for that

(50:01):
kind of along the way.
Let's see here.
Last last bit of the newsike.
It's our Captain America brave New World review. uh
We've we've we we've got to see it.
I saw Thursday in theaters.
You saw Saturday, I believe you watched it Saturday yesterday.
um so the Captain America in world it is now out in theaters.

(50:23):
I linked something here.
What I link to?
I linked a twisted metal trailer in the wrong place.
That's what I did.
So that's why I was like I was a pretty sure put it in there.
So the movie released in theaters.
It is the fourth biggest presence day opening behind
Black Panther, Deadpool and quantania
so far and it is the 35th
consecutive Marvel movie to open at number one on on this weekend.

(50:46):
Do you know how many Marvel movies there are, Mike?
A lot.irty 35, if you you want to
to to do the count there.
So this is our 35th Marvel movie, 35th number one. um it's
looking to to be around 90 million US.
It's over it's exceeding uh in other countries.
So worldwide, it's like 200 something, I think, uh, maybe 200 plus uh million.

(51:10):
So
it looks like this movie is landing as a success to audiences
uh this opening weekend and um we're here to talk about it.
So, uh we could do spoiler free first.
What What do you think about that?
Do you think we start with spoiler free to kick out?
And then I would love to just move into a conversation about the film.
I feel like there's so much to talk about and it feels like it's been two years
since I've seen the movie and all I want to do is talk about it with you.

(51:33):
Well, it this has been one of those the most
behind the scenes tracked movie I think that we've ever had
out of Marvel, right?
So like we have more conversation about the movie,
the different versions, the reshoots, uh everything kind of more than the
actual movie itself probably with that but uh Mike I'll let you kick it off.
You uh since you had the freshest

(51:54):
viewpoint on this, uh go ahead and let me know what what you think.
Yeah, it's really hard to take in this movie without
talking about, you know, the production of the film
overall, but I think that's just going to be our point of view for the film.
We love talking about
you know, insider baseball and Hollywood stuff when it comes to these films.

(52:16):
So, you know, if you want like like a like an un
like biased like super coned in review
of the film, I would say look elsewhere, but I just
love everything about Hollywood and from top to bottom.
So it definitely informs me when I go in
to watch these movies.

(52:36):
You know, this film was the
first Marvel film out of all of these 35 where
it was not just standard run of the mill re shoots.
Like we know almost for a
fact that they had to go in and fix things.
It went so bad the first time around, which we've never heard
before when it comes to these movies.

(52:58):
Like we know
um Kevin Feigge is a bit of um as
a little a tinker there in the editing room.
I've heard uh stories before where he's like saved
movies or found them in the edit, you know, but that was all before
like these big reshoots of the film.
So when I went into the movie, obviously I'm looking for seams.

(53:18):
I'm looking for cuts.
I'm looking for editing characters, removed characters.
So I feel like I didn't get to watch the movie in
this pristine environment that maybe some casual viewers got to.
you know, we always talk about, you know, the mom test, the parents
test with these movies of like, how do people experience a
Marvel movie when they're not in it in it like we are?

(53:40):
So all that being said, I feel like this movie is just
kind of right down the middle for me.
There's not enough in here to make me like
hate it and like rage against the machine, but
there's not enough in here to make me go like, oh, wow, yeah, Marvel
has definitely like turned the ship around.

(54:00):
I know the popular thing they do online is like scream Marvel's dead.
Marvel's back.
Marvel's dead, Marvel's back.
I'm not one of those people, but I don't think there's enough in
this movie to make that type of person make a declaration, right?
So um
this really is going to be a movie where you find your opinion
of it in like the spoiler conversation because I just want to talk about different parts of it.

(54:23):
So I guess at the end of the day, what I would I recommend it?
I mean, I don't know if I'd say go out of your way to see to see this.
You know, there is a lot of exposition
in this movie that has to catch you up on things that
had happened like, I think literally decades ago now
and that very first hulk movie.

(54:44):
So, I mean, if you're not somebody that's following this
super long thread, I don't really know how you kind of get the multiplying factor
of a cinematic universe out of it, especially with the
unfortunate circumstances of having to recast General Ross.
So if you're just a total casual viewer that's just trying to
go on instinctual visual memory, you can't even

(55:07):
really be helped here, unfortunately.
So, um I mean, and we have been
pretty uh public on the show of how like, I don't
know, we just don't jive with Anthony Mackey.
I don't know what it is you know, uh we I I loved him as the falcon.
I thought he was kind of like a great sidekick and I

(55:27):
know his character is elevated, you know, in the narrative
of the comic books and I have no problem with that direction.
But I don't know.
Just the performance, I feel like I can't
quite see him as a leading man.
And even like the one episode of Twisted Metal like we were just
talking about that show I watched oh I was like I
still am not seeing it there.

(55:48):
So uh we'll we'll dive into it more but um
I think this is the if I remember correctly I just I just saw this.
This was the first Marvel movie ever to get
a B minus cinema score.
This is the lowest cinema score that Marvel has ever received.
And if you're not familiar with the scoring, basically it's just
uh what the kids would say a vibe check.

(56:09):
They pull people as they come out of their screening and they ask
them to grade the movie.
What did you think?
You know?
And usually I I like cinema score.
I like this idea of just kind of getting people's initial reaction.
You know, I think it tells you a lot about, is this what the audience expected?
Is this what they were looking for?

(56:29):
Did something totally throw them off and like a
B minus, I mean, a decent grade in class,
but for a Marvel movie that has never scored that low before,
you know, it's a great sign that there's not a lot in here that's super impactful.
So, Chris, I' I'm curious.
What do you think before we jump into spoilers?
less eloqu eloquently put it's fine.

(56:52):
Like you know, like I have nothing like I'm like, oh, this was awful.
I have nothing to really like knock it down a bit.
I would have nothing to really say, hey, this was elevated
it to a new level a bit.
I will probably say, um I don't
the problem with cinema score, the problem with rotten tomatoes is they're never really updated later, right?

(57:16):
They're always done at the first.
This movie is way better than Thor Levin Thunder,
and Thor Levin Thunder had a higher cinema score out of the theater, right?
Like that movie, um where the hammers
are jealous with each other, Mike, does that hold up?
Like that doesn't hold up to this, right?
Where with uh, you know, fighting around the
world guy himself, Russell Crow was, you know, a fat, you know,

(57:39):
pompous uh what the Greek
zoo guy, like that movie not that good.
This movie, this is competent movie.
I I've said a couple things and and you've alluded
to them for those who may not realize this.
This is not a spoiler.
This is essentially the incredible hulk too.
Like do not let the Captain American title fool you.

(58:00):
It may be led by Anthony Mackey as Captain America, but this
is not really a sequel to any Captain America
movie, Mike, like right?
Like it doesn't feel like
we we're getting some remnants of the Falcon andinner soldier, but like not a lot.
We're not getting anything out of any other Captain American
movie, uh, maybe Civil War, simply because Mr. Mr. Ross is in here again.

(58:25):
but like it is is incredible hook too, uh as a movie.
And um I would say, and I told you this, this
is a great value winter soldier at the end of the day.
Literally, you have uh Winter soldier was Captain America
and um Natasha, Black Widow, and and Bucky, right?
You mean like three versus, you know, the the Hydra thing.

(58:48):
And this one you have, uh Anthony Mackey's Captain America,
his little buddy Torres, who is now the Falcon, and then another
uh female lead, who is also a black
widow that we've like, but we've never really spent time with these people in these roles.
They're just kind of thrust into them in front of us during the movie.
So it is essentially a very similar plot to the

(59:11):
winter soldier, but hey,
we've already done that and these are characters that didn't really have me build up into that.
So it's a very interesting take being
the first outing for Anthony Mackey's Captain America.
I probably would have given him a more personal villain rather than
um General Ross.

(59:32):
Like, yes, they have a little bit of a history, but he was after Steve Rogers more than he was after.
Hey, get the Falcon, right?
So why why do we not have a more personal villain in this?
I I'm not sure along the way.
I will disagree with you.
I don't like Anthony Mackey in anything else,
but I think he does a really good Sam Wilson. uh the
the vulnerable moments and when he's serious and this movie I'm like I I get it.

(59:55):
I see this.
He's done that great.
He's carrying over his Sam Wilson performance from 11 years ago
uh in the Winter soldier and he's carried that forward to Marvel.
I think he does great.
Anything else he's too smug and I just want to hit him in the face.
I don't know what but I think he does a great job here.
Harrison Ford as President Ross and this.

(01:00:15):
Harrison Ford is he's a great act., right?
Like, you know, Star Wars Indiana Jones, anything he's done.
He's been the president in Air Force One in other movies.
He's a great actor.
He knows what he's there for.
He does a great job.
I don't have any real issues with any of the casting in this.
The story is kind of the threaded along here.
We've always said, why are they showing the red Hulk

(01:00:38):
as the uh, you know, why are they why are they showing that?
That should be the big reveal in the film.
Well, the reveal is there's actually another villain behind everything, which we'll talk about in spoilers.
So
that that revelation comes in the movie pretty pretty early on.
But overall, I think, you know, a cinema
score being the lowest, I don't I don't believe that for one goddamn second, Mike.

(01:01:00):
Like that that's maybe what came out of here, but like that is not a true
representation of some of the awful Chec era Marvel films we got, right?
Like that we set through Thor 11 and Thunder We set through
I don't even think the Marvels is that bad, but like that this
is more memorable than the Marvels at the end of the day and even maybe quantumania.

(01:01:21):
So, you know, I I think yes, secore
maybe B minus, but I think this is way more of a
competent film along the way.
There's no real big swings taken, but that's okay because
Marvel's been taken some real big swings lately, and it' it's okay to rain that back in, right?
We don't need

(01:01:41):
the multiverse in every movie.
We don't need, you know, uh really a world- ending event.
This wasn't really even a world-endinging event, uh kind of along the way.
uh, but I I love to talk about in spoilers
kind of like how some of these things are you know,
what the story points that I don't want to talk about just because they are spoilers but like
you know, there's some really good seeds laid.

(01:02:02):
There's some other stuff.
They it looks like they've probably pulled back on.
But overall, it's a fine film sits
right in the I think this sits right in the middle overall.
It's pushed down some other movies.
I talked about quantamania, uh the Marvels store Leven.
Those are pushed down farther, but this sits
very solidly in a competent film that knows
its uh the limits of its actors in the character just

(01:02:25):
bringing to the table while not really pushing the needle in the MCU in any direction.
uh, just kind of leaving it where it was when it came in.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Well, I think now is a great time like you were saying jump into spoilers.
Let's talk about it.
The number one thing that I've just been wanting to talk about forever
is just my theory that

(01:02:48):
they relied heavily
on Red Hulk to get butts and seats and drive up box office dollars.
Every every plotting point about
uh the red Hulk in this in this movie is
supposed to be like a secret reveal.
You know, I mean, you if you're familiar, you know, with,

(01:03:10):
you know, the characters, you know, I suppose you could see it coming sooner
than others, but you don't get the battle until the third act.
So obviously it's supposed to be met for the end of the film.
And I I think they kind of saw the writing on the wall,
you know, if they had to do reshoots, it's because part

(01:03:30):
of part of the film was not working.
It was not driving with test audiences.
So we got to find a way to juice it up.
My assumption would be that they a
lot of people liked the the Red Hulk battle.
So we're so they're like, okay, we're got to do a little bit of damage
control here, even the most amount of money and the most amount of reshoots,

(01:03:51):
we can never make a brand new movie.
So we need to take what's working, put it out in
front and get people excited for this movie.
Because I was under the assumption watching these
trailers that the Red Hulk is going to be a bigger part of the movie, right?
Even like even if you look at the posters, because the Red haulk
exists entirely at the White House and then he makes a couple

(01:04:13):
big jumps and he ends up in like a cherry blossom peninsula.
Those are the two locations the Red haulk exists in the movie.
and then all of a sudden on these posters, like you see him
in like a downtown area amongst like skyscrapers, like
in the streets and stuff, you know, it kind of makes you think that there's
going to be more battles or it's going to take place over more
locations and that's not really what we get.

(01:04:36):
So I think this was like a marketing strategy of like we need to boost up the Red Hulk.
And even though it's probably the right move to
do, I I feel like it hurts the narrative, right?
It was like never a secret what these pills were doing, right?
It's never a secret.
Why is General Ross getting mad in the hallway like holding onto his like chest and like,

(01:04:56):
you know, we all knew what it was going to culminate to.
So that was disappointing to me.
I don't think we needed him in the earlier, though.
I think I think the plot along the way to get there.
The McGuffin is adamantium, right?
And and
really the whole point that exists at this point,
which I'd hoped Atamantine would have been bigger, was to

(01:05:19):
solve what prevent not a world war, but like
the countries fighting over the island of the Celestial along the way, right?
For me there Red Hulk is it's I I'm not as upset about that.
I think that's fine.
though the real secret was the leader Jane Tim
Blake Nelson's character in the background controlling everything.

(01:05:40):
Again, if you didn't follow the movie and didn't know anything, nobody knew that guy was coming.
My wife was like, that's a surprise.
What do I know him from?
I'm like, do you know him from brother where art thou?
And she like, oh yeah, because they they really make they really gave him like a zombie.
I loved his glow like reflective green eyes a little bit.
Like I thought that was a really cool

(01:06:01):
for him, but like he was, I guess the real quote
unquote villain, but like he never got to come up on something than being put in
a cell, what, like a the next cell block
over from the red Hulk at the end.
I think he
his plot points were probably more disappointing than I think than Harrison Ford's.
The reveal, obviously, you get a red Harrison Ford in there.

(01:06:21):
You're using it for a big thing.
I think that's that's marking not really at that upset,
but like the lack of adamantium doing anything.
I thought I thought my theory, Mike, was that Sam was going to get an adamantium suit
to fight the red Hulk, right?
That was going to be like maybe we're seeing red Hulk end of
act two with the cherry Blossoms.
Act three would have been the Adamantine, but like, boy, that

(01:06:43):
stuff falls off the movie as fast as it showed up if
I was going to tool or weapon, right?
You know, we see this canister like recovered at
the beginning of the movie and then we never really see it again.
So I thought maybe
they were going to bring in a cameo of maybe like a super smart
character in the MCU that was going to like do Sam

(01:07:05):
a favor and like refine it into something, like a a bullet
or a dagger, you know, just something, anything.
But like really Adam Antium is in the movie like in name only.
I love the I love the concept of
where Adam Antum is coming from, how it's being introduced.
They show like a little 3D renter render of like,
oh, there's labs inside of the Celestial where the Japanese are working on it.

(01:07:27):
I wanted a set piece there.
Like I wanted like Falcon and um or I guess is falcon.
I wanted Sam and Torres to like fly into the celestial
and even if they're not doing like a whole thing, maybe there's just like a couple punches and kicks in there and then they
out I don't need them to.
I just need them to work with that what if the other countries

(01:07:47):
like okay we're we because they all seem to trust Captain America, right?
That was the point.
They all like Captain America.
They like you're a good person.
They all work with him to give him
the adamantium like maybe it was even a new shield, like that was an adamantium shield
to help take down the hulk, uh or you
know, and that's his like secret weapon because he's been working with him because they all like him.

(01:08:11):
They they didn't really kind of play on lean on that a little bit.
They just like, oh, the president as Harrison Ford will he
will, you know, get everyone together and he never did, but they all were like, yeah, we like Captain America.
He's a good guy
with that.
So, yeah, there there's some some missed opportunities but like,
I think from what we knew of the first version, we knew like there was that

(01:08:32):
wrestler and the Rosa Salazar with the pink hair his diamond
back who even got a toy at McDonald's last year.
Like they took out several other villain subplots
and I think that was a good move.
I think this movie, if they'd added too many extra
powered villains that were like snake powered villains, this movie would have been
much worse than the other like not in a good direction.

(01:08:56):
Like this would have gone downhill pretty quick.
What do you think about those?
And we saw set photos of them on an airport fighting them
as well.
So like they took out like whole action scenes.
They probably even CGI' a lot of that before they re reshot this stuff uh in late 23.
So I think it is pretty less is more is what I'm saying.

(01:09:16):
Sorry.
Yeah, I mean if if like if we had to like make guesses, I mean, obviously there's some things we don't have to guess about.
We know Carlos Esosito
was added uh during the reshoot.
So presumably any time we see him, it's got to be a reshoot, right?
So uh almost probably the entire opening
of the movie, you know, all revolves around him.
I didn't see any airports, you know, anywhere at the beginning of the movie.

(01:09:41):
So I got to imagine that's all reshoots.
He pops up again on his own uh in the middle of the movie.
That's got to be a reshoot.
And also like, I text you after
I got out of the movie and I was like, oh, it's got to be a reshoot because
it's like a junkyarded somewhere outside of Atlanta.
Like, like you watch enough, you know, you watch enough

(01:10:03):
movies and TV shows, you start to get a feel of what Georgia looks like outside
of Atlanta and like this is Atlanta through and through.
It's exactly what it looks like.
So we know that changed.
So it does make you wonder like we'll never know,
but it makes you wonder what was there before, presumably they made it better.

(01:10:24):
They spent a lot of money to make it better.
The budget on this one is um pretty high up there.
I will say that second um part where um
what his name's sidewinder right Carlos Esposito shows up.
I had a goddamn jump scared in the movie theaterike because like Sam just
driving around the corner and then he just like opens fucking fire on him like I was
like oh my god I get scared the hell out of me but it boy does

(01:10:44):
that feel like the Bucky scene on Winter soldier where he attacks Samuel Jackson like in the car?
I'm like I'm like I see the shades of winter soldier
here that you were trying to go for, but again, great value brand.
Like we have we have Winter soldier home.
And this is another problem.
They did not have to make this movie a political thriller.
They start with a blank slate when they start writing these movies, right?

(01:11:06):
They did not have to do that.
They didn't even have to at the very beginning of the movie, they
do a kind of a unique Marvel studio logo at the very beginning.
It like fills up the entire frame.
It kind of feels very like spy thrillery noir, like type and vibe.
They won hundred percent were leaning

(01:11:26):
into this kind of being a winter soldier
successor, but it just does not live up to it in any way.
And I kind of just wish they could have just gone in a totally
different direction instead of just trying to doinner soldier I thinkinner soldier wasn't the original
idea.
I think this movie is still an incredible hook

(01:11:47):
to with trying to also resolve the eternal Celestial, right?
Like the big question everyone says, what is the celestial doing?
Why is it there?
What are they doing with it?
Well, here's the answer is Adamantium, great.
Love that awesome seed planted to to develop later
in Xven, Wolverine, stuff like that.
But like
the leader and General Ross and Betty

(01:12:07):
Ross, this like 90% of this movie is incredible Hulk too, just
dealing with the fallout of Harlem, the incredible hulk to
the abomination, the hulk, all that stuff, that even have a flashback
scene of him getting angry with a mustache, right?
Harrison getting angry with the mustache.
And I'm like, oh, this is this whole movie is incredible hook too coded.
They probably were trying to do an incredible hook too.

(01:12:29):
Something happened.
Okay, well, why don't we add in
Captain America, you know, we can we can merge.
It feels like two ideas merged together.
And then that the second iteration, up the first version, but the
second version feels like one soldier, because I think
if you would have had the weird snake people powered people, it would have not have been a political thriller.
You would never have gotten that vibe at all.

(01:12:49):
and that that came in the second and it like, hey, maybe
we can lean into that a little bit more here, uh edit
some things around, reshoot some stuff, make it more,
you know, questionable what's going on
with with everything.
So I think that kind of it feels to me like it came later,
but like this really truly is a hulk, too.

(01:13:10):
Like I can't say that enough because all the all the
two villains are hulk villains that have no connection to Anthony
Mackey or or Captain America other than the super soldier Sam.
Asterix, Mike, one of my favorite scenes, Bucky shows up,
since we're in spoilers, uh shows up, has a little heart to heart with
Sam playing off their falcon when soldier vibes or,

(01:13:32):
you know, civil War partnership had a really good speech.
And I believe he's leaving to go do something in thunderbolts
uh based on the trailer, the outfit he was wearing in the uh something we saw in the thunderbolts trailer.
So I I like that part.
I I actually had a good time seeing those guys together have a a heart to heart.
Yeah, I mean, it makes sense to see Bucky uh show up, but

(01:13:55):
and I and I obviously I love the Winter soldier,
the character, the I love Sebastian Stan.
Anytime he's there, he's going to make the scene better in my opinion.
And it makes sense because the last time we saw these two, they were in the Winter soldier together.
It would be weird if he wasn't in the movie, right?
But if I kind of had to wrap things up baby
with like things that a thing I like and thing that I didn't like,

(01:14:17):
you know, to kind of even it out to make this movie just kind of middle of the road.
I I love Isaiah Bradley's character.
He's the single most like engaging thing
happening in the movie and really the only thing driving Sam throughout the movie.
like he's motivated to save his friend and to get him out of there.
I and but just at the same time, I wish they could have done more with him.

(01:14:40):
It's almost my exact same issue I had with the Winter
soldier where they're doing everything like but trying to make a point
or have like a a narrative or have a point of view, right?
Like for a political thriller movie, like what do we walk away with?
Like they just kind of basically reset the status quo at the end of the movie?

(01:15:02):
there I feel like there's not a whole lot that we really
did in the movie besides like watch some fun action scenes.
Like watching the Falcon like ride like a torpedo or a missile or whatever it was in the ocean.
Like that was really cool.
I liked that.
It looked neat and fun,
but I still have a lot of issues stemming from Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

(01:15:22):
Like I get that I get this thing that they're trying to do.
They did it in Iron Man three of a man's more than his
superpower or in his suit or whatever, but it's just
like I cannot it's so hard for me to believe this man throwing the shield the way he does.
Like it's it's it's in it's inhuman.
It's unhuman.
A normal person could never do that under almost any

(01:15:43):
circumstances, but you can believe Steve Rogers can do it because he has these heightened abilities.
So and I believe Sam could fight somebody strong
because he has a wakandan suit, but there's just some things that he does that
it's just unbelievable to me that I feel like is kind of breaking
the established rules of the MCU.
and I just that's something that I'll probably just never

(01:16:05):
be able to get over until maybe they just beat me over the head with it
and just get to the point where like I'm never going to have my way. um
so uh I guess I said I was trying to say something nice and I guess it was cool when he rode the missile.
But yeah, it just goes back to that the at
the top, what we said of just, uh, I mean, I feel like I just I
was not affected in any big way in any direction for this movie.

(01:16:26):
This movie set some seeds going forward.
It brought some players from literally 2008
uh back into the fold.
I thought we saw trailer spots
where Betty Ross was at a funeral for what we thought was General Ross.
um but they didn't kill him off, so maybe an original plan

(01:16:46):
was to kill off Harrison Ford at the end of this movie rather
than talk him down into human.
We don't know again, we will never know
the true iterations here and will never will never be released.
But
I do think there is a real reason left Harrison Fordive and and
as will continually be the red Hulk, whether that's
World War hulks if they actually get to it or not, I'm

(01:17:08):
not sure, but they did set some seeds going forward at a anium.
um you know, put these people, you know, there, but at the same
time, you know, like you said, like the needle wasn't moved either way, was it good or bad.
It just kind of in the middle and uh
we'll see if the does anything different.
But this is I've always put an ashex beside.

(01:17:28):
This is the last era project, right movie out of that.
They tried they tried to film fix it without restarting over, which will always be a challenge.
We may see some of that, how they handle that in television
next month with daredevil, right?
Since that movie or series was
in production.
It didn't do everything in the reshoot.
It had a little bit done and then retooled it, so we may see some of that

(01:17:50):
in there, but this will be the last time we can say this is a Chec
stain era stained project and we don't have that excuse anymore going forward.
So, um because I had to see where
Thunderbol lands with this, but like at the same time, like, boy, I
really wish Sam had a personal villain to fight.

(01:18:11):
like, don't you?
Like that's that's my hope.
Like he didn't really have anyone personally to to fight him.
He just happened to have that, uh, have his own black widow
with Ruth Batseroff and uh his own falcon with Torres.
So, yeah.
It's just a shame the movie to me just feels like, oh,
I'm glad we got it out of the way because I'm looking forward to thunderbolts a lot more.

(01:18:33):
So like I'm glad we got it out of the way.
Again, I don't feel cringy.
I like there was no cringe moments watching this movie.
Like I always think back to Thor 11 and Thunder where the hammers are jealous of each other.
And I'm like I'm like, oh, cringe, God damn, why does that hurt so much to watch that
in hindsight?
So this movie wasn't cringe and I'll give it give it that credit.

(01:18:54):
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