That Implementation Science Podcast

That Implementation Science Podcast

The innovation to implementation gap is 17 years. Podcasts were invented 17 years ago. Coincidence? We don’t think so. That Implementation Science Podcast discusses everything related to Implementation Science, and many things not. Co-hosts Mike Pullmann and Kevin King interview guests, review new research, and implement solutions to things that aren’t even problems yet.


October 14, 2023 70 mins

On this episode we talk with everyone's favorite mentor, Bryan Weiner, about the history of implementation science, implementation science measurement, the Jingle Jangle Fallacy, and we quiz him on how to be a good mentor. Resources discussed during this episode include: 


Weiner, B. J., Lewis, C. C., Stanick, C., Powell, B. J., Dorsey, C. N., Clary, A. S., Boynton, M. H., & Halko, H. (2017). Psychometric assessment of three n...

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On this episode we interview… co-host Kevin King! What?!? Again with the bro talk? Apologies to everyone in our audience but look on the bright side, you can use this time again to catch up on old Webster episodes. If you do listen, we’ll talk about the etiology of substance use and substance use disorders, examining training and education of research methods through an implementation science lens, and quiz Kevin on his knowledge o...

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On this show co-host Kevin King will interview… Mike! Apologies in advance to anyone who is tired of hearing us talk about our work—honestly your time might be better spent watching old reruns of Webster. We talk about equity in education, the unintended consequences of implementation strategies, the ethics and obligations of conducting community based research, and Kevin quizzes Mike on his knowledge of rock climbing.

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September 2, 2023 60 mins

Digital therapeutics and AI may be the future, but hearing two white dudes drone on about it is very much the now. Listen to Kevin and Mike take their best stab. Papers referenced include:

Damschroder, L.J., Reardon, C.M., Widerquist, M.A.O. et al. The updated Consolidated Framework for Implementation Research based on user feedback. Implementation Sci 17, 75 (2022).

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Lisa Saldana joins the show to talk about the importance of measuring and planning implementation stages and how they can help improve whether the implementation of your program will be sustained; the relative importance of engagement, readiness planning, and how good pre-implementation planning can make programs robust to challenges; the overlap between getting an implementation ready to do and behavior change at the person level ...

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August 14, 2023 21 mins

This episode is a companion episode to our interview with Danny Almirall, and brings a special surprise guest.

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Today we talk with Danny Almirall from the University of Michigan's d3C center. We talk about how learning about prime numbers set Danny up for a lifetime of teaching people about math, statistics, and methods, the difference between efficacy, effectiveness, and implementation studies, what is a SMART trial, and how do SMART trials inform adaptive interventions, what are MAISYs, and we learn a little bit about Salsa the dance and j...

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The amazing and generous Shannon Dorsey swings by the podcast to talk about her work on pragmatic and applied implementation science, including implementing in low resource and international settings, how to build trust and working community partnerships, and putting jargon into plain language. Along the way we quiz her about bad national park yelp reviews and I give a horribly inaccurate summary of a paper I last read 20 years ago...

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Pedja Klasnja swings by the show to discuss his viewpoints as a methodologist on the outskirts of Implementation Science, from the standpoint of Human-Computer Interaction and Health Informatics. At some point in the show Kevin falls in love with Pedja, but we're not sure if Pedja noticed. 

Referenced in this episode: 

Kilbourne, A.M., Geng, E., Eshun-Wilson, I. et al. How does facilitation in healthcare work? Using mechanism mappi...

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Jill Locke visits the show to talk about her fascinating work at developing and re-designing interventions for Autistic youth in educational settings. She talks about community engagement strategies, human-centered design, leadership considerations, and more. Along the way, she competes in our quiz for a shot at Kevin King writing an out of office autoreply for her email by trying to finish several Disney tunes.

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Mike and Kevin discuss the paper "Improving the feasibility of fidelity measurement for community-based quality assurance". Can measuring fidelity be cheap, fast, and good?

Referenced in today's episode:

Chapman, J. E., Alley, Z. M., & Schoenwald, S. K. (2022). Improving the feasibility of fidelity measurement for community-based quality assurance: Partial- versus full-session observations of supervisor adherence and competence. Im...

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Aaron Lyon from the University of Washington swings by the show to discuss the integration of User-Centered Design into Implementation Science, beer, developing leadership strategies in educational settings, pre-implementation motivational interventions, and more beer. 

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We talk with Cara Lewis about implementation mechanisms, quiz her about boats, and learn about her fancy new job.

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