Episode 45: with Michael Major

In this episode, we welcome Michael Major, the inspiring mind behind the No Grid Survival Project. Based in Canada's Pacific Northwest, Michael shares anecdotes about his pursuit of a self-sustainable lifestyle grounded in his upbringing, military career, and expertise in survival skills.

Learn about the inception of the No Grid Survival Project which began with a book that Michael co-authored, containing 70 empowering projects to inspire individuals on their journey of self-reliance.

Michael paints a picture of some major projects from the book and discusses the importance of preparing for potential calamities that could result in temporary or long-term grid downtimes.

We navigate the in-depth discussion around the vulnerabilities of our power grid, highlights the governments' actions regarding electrification, and raises questions about their intentions.

This episode emphasizes the importance of self-sufficiency and provides practical ways to adjust to a technology and energy-dependent world.

Our conversation also examines society's changing mindset regarding climate change and the urgency behind self-reliance and survival. The No Grid Survival Projects prove useful for individuals eager to cultivate resilience and autonomy.

To access additional resources from No Grid Survival Projects, visit nogridsurvivalprojects.com.

Hosted by Anthony Casey

Music provided by Akira the Don

Episode Transcript

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Music.

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Hello michael how are you doing oh i'm not too bad over here good can you hear me and see me okay,
you can yeah yeah perfect that's great well i can look i really appreciate you
taking the time sorry about yesterday there must have been a mix up with time
zones and schedules and all the rest but i appreciate you taking the time out

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today to sit down and have a chat with me,
yeah no problem not a problem michael and i know you so what part of the world
are you in I'm in Canada, in the Pacific Northwest of Canada,
Oh, Canada, that's very good And what's happening in Canada at the moment, anything exciting?
Oh, nothing too exciting, no Kind of same old, same old Same things everyone

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else is going through Yeah, it's a bit of a political turmoil up there, isn't it?
And like that, Ireland's no better, I don't think Yeah.
We've definitely got our issues with our government and
stuff like that But I think we have an election coming up this year
or next year so hopefully we can do something about it yeah yeah

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please god says you yeah look michael i i i
tell you how i stumbled across your page really was from instagram
and i'd seen this no grid survival projects
pop up a lot and props to your pr guy
because i seen it a good bit and i seen it gain so much
traction and it's very interesting and i thought it was
very it's interesting time for something like that to to launch and i think

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a lot of people jumped onto it because of the last the recent few years we've
been having but first i'd like to hear a bit about your own background kind
of your upbringing if you're always canadian and what brought you down eventually to this path.
Well i was always like i've grown up in in british columbia canada born and
raised and i was always like a self-reliant person like as a kid there was like

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a green space in a creek by my house i spent most of my time in there building
shelters making fires just practicing primitive survival skills stuff like that,
going fishing and things like that.
When I got old enough, I joined the military and I deployed overseas as a NATO
peacekeeper to the former Yugoslavia.
And when I came back, I kind of saw what was,

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What the result of a regional conflict would be and how you could basically
get knocked down to the Stone Age pretty quickly.
So at that time, I kind of decided that, yeah, I need to be even more self-reliant, have more skills.
So I became a welder fabricator, got a lot of hands-on building fabrication skills from that.

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And I always had a passion for writing, so I started writing as well.
Well, then that's how people who I wrote this book for found me,
was I was writing DIY articles about self-reliance and stuff for them.
And they asked if I wanted to do a book with them, and I said,
yeah, sure, absolutely.
And No Grief Survival Project was born. When did you write that book?
Oh, it was a couple of years ago now. I believe it was, I want to say 2021,

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I think we started writing.
It took a year to write, getting all the projects together. and there's
a few other authors as well in the book so getting everything together
quite a while i feel like it was a solid year
before it actually got published but it's been out for a few years now
yeah i i because i noticed your facebook page
is only i think january 22 and and

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yet it has such a following to it it's amazing how
pick it how quick it picked up on you know um again
maybe the sound of times what why why do
you think your ancestor your family your father
your grandfather father were they all army veterans
as well like where is the self-reliance come at such a
young age i'm not sure where it comes from from

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a young age my grandfather both my grandfathers were
in the military my dad was a trades person as well i know i just always kind
of wanted to do things myself i'm an independent person i don't really like
asking for help and stuff and i i also a pretty cheap so i don't like spending
a lot of money and stuff i like to do as much as i can by by myself,

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like if I can build it, I will type things. So I've always had that mindset and that attitude.
So it just was a natural thing that kind of developed with me.
But like the state of the world definitely guides me more towards a self-reliant aspect.
Yeah, I'd say.
You know what what i feel probably makes your your website

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and your book so probably so popular now is i'm sure
look you had all these tools and the fact that your father being a
tradesman and your grandfather and great-grandfather being in the military all
obviously bled into you you obviously had these
projects had knowledge these projects and were
able to do these projects before 2021 but did
you see did you see the dangers

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of the last few years let's
say well we're talking 2021 so covid would
have been the main thing that was all over the news and the kind of fear-mongering
of it and all that and people were worried i know and to be honest i think as
well there was this worry among people that you know are are some of society

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going to be pushed out a bit to the the Netherlands,
where, you know, when these passports are coming into play and people,
some people said, yeah, I'm all for it. And some people said, oh, hold on a second.
I'm not too sure it's just taking away a bit of my freedom.
I'd rather become a bit more self-sufficient. I know that conversation has happened
among my friends and my peers in the last couple of years about getting your

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own herbs in and digging your own drill.
But I guess you obviously saw an opportunity where this could help a lot of
people out in 2021 and said, you know, have you heard many people come back
to you with feedback that, you know, this is great, it's working well?
Any stories like that from after releasing the book?
Nothing, no big stories. I have had a few emails from people asking follow-up

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questions and then they're looking to build like the solar power system and stuff like that.
I think someone emailed me about putting together a rainwater harvesting system
and just asked a few follow-up questions about that and stuff.
Everyone I've talked to about the book has been pretty positive,
and I have had a few comments where people said it is, like,

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even for someone with no skills, it's easy to, like.
Everything's broken down to a level that you can figure it out.
Out and it doesn't take a lot of like
hands-on like you don't need to have like a crate to build any of this stuff
it we've laid it out easy enough that and most people can pick up the book go

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to home depot buy the stuff and put it together with very little effort very little you know fuss.
Yeah what um can you give us some of the examples
of what's in the book and so you mentioned there your um
rainwater treatment system yeah we
uh well we cover so much it's like 70 projects in
the book there's so much stuff in it the main ones are

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the water we cover how to make water like how
to get store your water properly how to
use like 55 gallon drums store your water how to use smaller containers
like tips and that that we have the rainwater harvesting system
which is like three 55 gallon drums stacked on
top of each other which provides also pressure with the
gravity just pulling down it actually provides a bit of water pressure with that

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we have some filtering methods in there
we have a hot water heater that you
can attach to a wood stove we have ways to reclaim water that we have like like
a toilet topped tank like hand washing station that we described in the book
and the big project in the book which was a big source for us was the solar power system,

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how to get the solar panels, the batteries, how to hook it all up, how to.
Basically install it in such a way that you can power a fridge and a laptop
and charge your devices.
And if you, as long as you have sunlight, you can do it pretty much indefinitely.
So it gives you a lot of power, self-reliance.
And that was a big project in the book. I took a long time to do.

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But aside from that, we have like how to grow your own food,
how to secure your property with traps and stuff.
We talk about how to make gardens and what kind of things you should be putting in those gardens.
There's a few recipes there for survival food.
But most of it is geared towards how do you grow your own food,

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the real self-reliant stuff.
But yeah, we cover how to make a greenhouse.
There's how to do indoor greenhouse, outdoor greenhouse. Our goal was to have
as many projects as possible that you could take the book and you could almost
100% make yourself self-reliant.
And if you follow all the projects in the book, you can pretty much get there.

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Uh i mean obviously it's hard to be 100 self-reliant but
with with the book you'd be a really really
close to getting it yeah i heard a statistic last
year that if the power went in america
it was something like 60 percent of people would be
gone within the first few months or you know or something
you know that they just wouldn't have a clue that's a little bit

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sad i suppose because that's definitely a sign
of the times as well and it's not a when i
say that everyone says that as if it's a bad reflection on the
current generation but the current generation is only living
in the world that their technology has progressed to
you know like this if people are driving the car they're
not going to go out running to work you know when shoes aren't you

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know like they're not going to be out pumping water if the
taps are flowing with the you know hot water pumps but it
has law it has made us vulnerable
to any disasters
that might come our way because i think
even we're only talking about a couple of decades since people will
have much better chance of survival you know as the years go

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on we get less and less self-sufficient and food
is in abundance and rubbish food is
in abundance obviously as well but yeah like i've seen a lot of your videos.
And you know the risks of well you know we have a lot of catastrophes with the
weather lately and we have the pandemics and we have a lot of extreme things.

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Happen where the news isn't shocking people anymore.
Like how, how likely do you see, obviously you released this book in 2021 recently enough.
How likely do you think it is that some unforeseen event might push us to where
we might have to go off grid, even if it's for a short period of time,
you know, solar flares or even EMP strike.

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Well, I think, unfortunately, the actual possibility of grid-down scenarios is highly probable.
The chance of a coronal mass ejection is, if you expand the timeline long enough,
it's 100%. We've been hit before.
We were hit in 1859 with the Carrington event.
And at that time, we had very minimal electricity.

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So the only reason we really know what happened was the telegraph system.
A lot of the telegraph system acted like an antenna, which is what our power grid would act like.
So when the coronal mass ejection hit the Earth, it energized the telegraph system.
And people were able to send telegraphs without any actual power because it was self-powering.

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Several telegraph stations caught fire. Lots of people were hurt.
But because we had no widespread power grid for the average person,
there was really no evidence anything had actually happened.
And if that were to happen today, it would just wipe out our power grid.
Power grid would be gone.
And that is something that will eventually happen. Corolla mass ejections are

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regular occurrences. They get thought out from the sun on a very regular basis.
It's basically like a game of Russian roulette.
Eventually, one of them is going to hit us. The sun is going to send one out
in a direction, and it's going to interact with us, and it's just a matter of time.
But it could happen 100 years from now. It could happen a thousand years now.

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It could happen next year. It could happen in the next five minutes. We can't predict it.
We don't know. We could get a little bit of forewarning, but we can't really
predict when and where these things are going to happen.
For an E&P strike, I see that as being less of a possibility only because –.
EMPs are limited to countries that have them. So you have to have a nuclear

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capability in order to launch an EMP strike.
I could see something like that happening if, say, for example,
China wanted to invade Taiwan and they wanted to take the United States out
of the picture for a little while.
I could see them using, say, North Korea to launch an EMP attack as a proxy,
knowing that the retaliation would be on North Korea.

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I could see that happening. But like for a superpower to just launch an EFD
strike, I don't see that as being likely.
And for terrorists to get a hold of one, it's not impossible,
but it's also unlikely as well.
The big risk I see of the power grid is twofold. One is cyberterrorism.
It's a massive risk to the power grid.
A lot of these systems are not exactly the most advanced.

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Some of them are easily hackable. and even
though it was cyber terrorism with just regular terrorism
if you shoot transformers in the right way with
just a small caliber rifle you hit the right transformer
in the right spot in the grid if you have that kind of knowledge you
can wipe out power to large areas and it's
all it takes is the knowledge of when and where to hit how to hit

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it if you shoot a transformer you drain all the coolant out
of it the thing just melts down it it's a
very very simple thing to do there have been many cases in
the states where that has happened where people have started
taking shots at transformers and it's not
really very well publicized to talk about which i think
probably for a good reason to not give anyone any ideas but another thing that

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could happen to the power grid beyond that is just it's just taxed it's old
it's there's too much everyone's getting electric car now all that power is
going to come from somewhere it's very expensive to upkeep no No one wants nuclear power plants.
It's hard to maintain. And overloading the power grid, like we saw that in Texas,
just the ice took out the power grid. It so easily happens.

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And I think it's going to happen so much more in the near future because it's
just taking us so long to get ahead of the curve on that.
Yeah, you know, here in Ireland, and it's probably worldwide because a lot of
these things, these policies seem to be rolling out worldwide at the same time.
But there's incentives for buying electric cars and getting diesel and petrol

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cars off the road by 2030, which isn't that far away.
And I see a lot of people standing up and saying, hold on a second,
our power grid can't support everybody switching over to electric vehicles.
And it's only seen this week, actually, that electric vehicles can be more harmful
to the environment, even from the production standpoint. Yeah.

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There seems to be, without getting too down dirty straight away,
there's a worry that our lines will all go on everything electric.
And like I have a stove sitting beside the laptop now, and even they,
they're targeting the stoves in the regular person's house now as well.
They want everything air to water.
They want everyone electric cars, you know, and it's leading into the whole

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digital currency and everything being online. line.
And there's a lot of people, you know, even in my peer group who are kind of
saying, well, hold on a second.
It's not that we're old fashioned, but we're just seeing the few red flags here.
And I think that's the type of people who might actually be,
I'm only guessing, but the people who are tuning into your projects and that are kind of saying,

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well, I don't want an air to water house and I want to keep my stove and I want
to be self-sufficient and I want to have my chickens and grow my herbs and my vegetables.
But do you see an agenda against that yourself politically?
Well, there's definitely an agenda to get rid of fossil fuels and the push to

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the electric cars that's happening here in Canada as well.
I think they've said 2035, they don't want to have any more gas cars sold in Canada.
And I believe that some places in the States too, I think California is one
of them. It has a similar push to that.
And we've had the same things where they want to try to break reliance on natural gas.

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I have a natural gas stove in our house, which I love. It's just the best for cooking.
But in the name of climate change, they're trying to push for it all to go electric.
And I don't know if it's just a political move to just try to look like you're more their...

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Trying to be like pro climate or if it's
an actual push to get everything on one grid so
that it could be taken away at any time i don't i'm not sure what that would
be like i can't really comment on the
motivations but i do see it happening all
over the place and there is definitely a move
to get us more dependent on the electrical grid and

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try to get everything on there and then even like communications grids
and stuff like that as well like there's a definite push
to keep us as dependent on
a few different basic grids
so that we can't go outside of them yeah and i think you can see this in now
look stop me if if you don't want to go down certain routes of conversation

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but you can see in the likes of china where if you if you step outside what
their barriers are there.
Let's say you know whatever they have in place you
know they have the 15 minute cities over there
and they have the social credit system and they have all
these type of things i know ireland we

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have our prime minister who sits with the
wef in davos every year and it seems like you know dublin now is the capital
of ireland that's becoming a 15 minute city and they sell it as though there's
more green areas and transport would be better but really it seems like it's
just taking the control of everyone's movement, their private usage and everything,

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and for them to have you know and for us to have to.
Comply with whatever mandates are put in place and there's a lot of bills coming
being pushed through ireland at the moment and hate speech bills that's got
i think a lot of worldwide coverage on on the news obviously the electric car
thing the 15-minute cities the,

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it seems a lot deep you know even taking private property rights and i think
this is why the only reason i'm bringing this up as well is because this is
why i think this is what brought me me to want to talk to you,
you know, and this is what caught my eye with the self-sufficiency thing.
You know, I think if people had a business where they went around to people's

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gardens and said, you know, I can do these projects that say you've laid out
in a book and I can dig your drills for you and all you have to do is maintain it.
I think they'd make massive money now because I think there's so many people
who are looking for that at the moment,
who want, who don't know where to start and they're confused about it,
you know, obviously see to someone like yourself that's trying to be self-sufficient

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as a kid all the way growing up.
It's probably coming a bit more natural to you that when you see pandemics
or crises you can say well look here's a book for those
who want it you know and if we're going electric and we're so
reliant on electric and modern times if things
go down it's there it's a handbook you know
i guess i i guess i'd

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ask my question and that but what do you think of what
i've said there as a you know as a eastern policy
push to the west um and i
suppose where your book can come in as a good utility there
well i definitely i definitely see it
as like even amongst people i talk to you

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as there's there's like this kind of style of rebellion again
some of the stuff you're talking about like like the 15 minute studies the electric
cars and i think people People do see like a book like No Grace Revival Projects
and like getting your own chickens or getting a garden in your backyard or even
on the patio of your apartment building.

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Right. And doing stuff like that, they see that as a sign of almost rebellion
against the people who want to kind of control them.
And then even just having simple things like getting a little solar power system
so that when the grid does go down, like you can keep your fridge going and
you can charge your phones and stuff like that.
That like it's those things i i do see

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people as like i say it's a silent little bit of
rebellion against the system because we all kind of feel it where whether it's
planned or not where we're becoming and you said it before we're becoming more
and more dependent every every generation it's like you can see it like i grew
up in the 80s like uh life back then was so much different than it is now.

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I look at my kids and how they're growing up and it's like the world is so different and,
but it's also like it's like with all of this our self-reliance going down and
our reliance of technology kind of going up that technology does bring a lot
of good stuff with it like it i mean we can we can say like the internet and

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social media and all that is bad but it's also,
promoting no good survival projects and just and it's throwing people that they
can actually do these things and build these projects and they can do it themselves
which is and it which which is why we have the physical book too,
because it's all well and good for me to make a bunch of videos and put them out there.

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But when the grid goes down, you have no access to the internet anymore.
So now if you have the book, you can open it up and everything's so simple.
You could actually, most of those projects, if the grid was down for a significant
time, you could probably pick up the book and scavenge most of what you need.
Need like i'm pretty confident that

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in a grid down scenario you could acquire
almost everything you need from that book just by scavenging.
Like you could find it around your within like
i don't know say 10 20 mile radius wherever you're living
you could probably get everything you needed you know
wheel a deal it or just outright steal it like you could
you could find all the stuff so that's where the book

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is that's why we were systems and
having a hard copy of the book that you can put on your
bookshelf and even if you don't make the projects now and you
wait and the grid goes down you still
pull that book out start rifling through
it and you could probably make a lot of stuff work i mean
thinking to your brain a little bit on you know i think it'd be

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interesting kind of the first steps you would
how you would react if something like
that was to happen tomorrow morning you know where would you go
i know a lot of people will go you know we have have a tendency for fight
and flight and panic would set in but you
know if there's five or six steps you could remember what
would you think would come to mind first well if we're

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talking about the grid going down the problem
with like the grid going down is it kind of depends
on the scenario right so let's just say it was
a wide scale like coronal mass ejection or worst case scenario right where there's
a coronal mass ejection the grid goes down none of us are going going to know
how what the extent of the disaster is right away it's like all we're going

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to know on something like that because the chronomass ejection is not going
to affect your cell phone.
It'll affect power grids basically only like your complex electronics should
be fine in a chronomass ejection so as far as anyone's going to be concerned
power's gone power just went out and power goes out all the time it just happens
so there's not going to be a lot of panic right away.
And that is where your survival mindset has to be like cut out.

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Like whenever the power goes out, the first thing I think is, Ooh,
Is this widespread or is this local? And I check.
If I can check, if I can go on the internet from my cell phone,
I know automatically right there, okay, this is a local event.
This is not a coronal mass ejection. The internet's fine.
And then I can breathe a sigh of relief. If that didn't work,

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if I went on my phone and I couldn't access the internet, I'd be like,
okay, now I need to find out, number one, how widespread is this thing?
And that's where amateur radio comes into play.
I've got amateur radio set aside, and they're in Faraday cages.
I can pull them out. I can run an antenna up a tree, and I can start scanning

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through the shortwave frequencies.
And I should be able to find out very quickly, either by the total lack of traffic,
the total lack of communications going out, or by people talking about what's
happening in their area, how widespread this disaster is.
And if it's like a nationwide or planet-wide event my immediate my immediate

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thought is going to be hunker down i have a a it's a what do they call it i
can't remember what they call it it's a
water bladder that goes in your bathtub and you hook it up to your water spout
first thing i would do turn that thing on fill that thing up as well i think
100 gallons worth of water because that That now increases my water stockpile
because water is going to be huge after a grid down event like that,

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because now all the water pumps are working.
While that's filling up, I'm securing my house, making sure that everything's
like, like all my door or all my security measures are in place.
Everything's good that my house is secure. even though i
know that there's going to be a very long lag between when
people realize the power's out to the point
where i realize it's a real emergency there's still

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there's gonna be a long time where people are just kind of wandering around oh
it's a regular power outage that's period of time where i'm
acting so once i've secured everything got my
i've got as much water under the tap as i
possibly can i'm going out i'm going
shopping i've got cash i've got it's not not much i got a couple hundred bucks
in cash just for emergencies like this i'm going shopping i'm getting staples

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flour rice don't usually need toilet paper my wife keeps us really stocked up
on that but any staple items we need non-perishables i'm buying as much as i physically can,
using as much cash as i can i'm buying all that i'm bringing it home and i'm
not running away because it's unless you have somewhere to go bugging out it's

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just not it's there's no point You're just going to be now surviving on the
road with limited resources where you should be staying home where all your resources is.
And you should also be, as soon as people realize what's going on,
you should be liaising with your neighbors, getting together,
trying to form a bit of a group in the community saying, hey,

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we're going to be in this for a while. This is the information I have.
I, you know, I've got this book, No Great Survival Projects,
you know, I've built a few things here and there, but, you know,
and just basically try to get them all on board.
And because you're not going to be able to do it by yourself,
you have to have people around you, and especially for security,
because after a day, two days, then people are going to start getting desperate.

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It and once they realize how widespread the disaster
is and once that word starts getting out then you're going
to start seeing people looking to loot and to
steal from other people the criminal element will come up police but our hospitals
efs fire departments they're all going to collapse because as soon as their
paychecks are guaranteed to not come they're just not going to go to work they

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have families to worry about so all of that's going to collapse the local Local
governments will collapse, and by extension,
state,
provincial, federal governments are going to collapse because without the power
they had over us before, there's no enforcement of everything.
And it's all going to come down to making sure you've got enough water,
making sure that your neighbors are on board, that you've kind of formed a bit of a group around you.

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You and to make sure that you're taking care of people around you they're taking care of you.
Without disclosing too much about what you have like you don't
do you have a year's worth of water stored away you don't want to
tell people that you have a lot of food stored away you don't want to
tell people that you want to kind of keep a lot of stuff close to your chest
but make sure that you're letting people know that you can be someone that you

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can you know help them out and help out people get together because at the end
of the day it's going to have to be small communities of of people that are
going to have the band together. You're going to have to start thinking about growing food.
All this stuff's going to have to happen right away.
You have to start thinking about how you're going to gather meat.
You've got to think about what you're going to plant, who's going to garden,

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how many people know about gardening.
Start getting that going because at a coronal mass ejection,
it could be years before you ever see power come back on again.
It's all going to come down to,
forming a survival community around you and tell me does optimal self-sufficiency.

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Sorry self-sufficiency include and the
ability to hunt even the ability to
acquire some self-defense skills in the event of
that would you include them in
being prepared i know you're going through the
doomsday scenario which is unlikely to be that
catastrophic but say say there's

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solar flares and you're down for a month maybe that's
long enough that people will come that break-ins will go up
straight away you know shortly afterwards like i
know the utility of hunting is dying out massively would you
consider that a good utility to keep i would
say hunting is if you can do it i think
it's great i think hunting hunting

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and fishing are two things that you should like if
you can't hunt like some people just can't hunt some people are just
not they're not hunters right but you should probably know how to fish
and then with that you need
to know how to properly clean and cook a fish right now
i'm a hunter i'm a very bad hunter have yet to actually
harvest a deer but my boys and i go out hunting and we've

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harvested a bunch of grouse and stuff and until you actually
like take the animal and like break it apart and cook
it you don't really know how to do that and even if
even if you're someone who doesn't ever
really want to hunt if you know someone who
does hunt it's always a good idea to just go.
With them say hey can i come with you 99 of

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hunters would be like yeah absolutely i'd love to get someone
in into the a sport and it
it's an important thing to kind of understand how
like if you ever had to gather your own food
uh you're like the odds of ever being in an extended grid down scenario and
then going out and harvesting a deer and using that is almost that you might

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as well not even think about that as a strategy but like around my neighborhood
here there are bunnies everywhere There's little cottontails,
they're an invasive species that's everywhere.
I could probably walk out, any morning I could walk out and grab five of them.
They're everywhere. But if you don't know how to properly clean and cook it
or to trap it, which we actually have some instructions in the book about how

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to trap small animals, you should know how to do that.
And with fishing too, know how to fish.
And then actually go out and fish. Catch a fish, bring it home,
clean it, cook it, and just kind of get a feel for how that process works.
And once you do it once, you're good.
Like you clean one fish, you can clean like a million fish. Like you just have to do it once.

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There's a little – it's just a bit of a process.
You've got to get over that kind of like ick factor of putting your hands in
the guts and ripping it out.
But once you do it once, I mean, my kids have done it once, I think, each and they're fine.
Like they're like oh yeah i can clean that right first time they
did it they're like oh yeah this is no problem i thought i'd do this now but
when it comes to self-defense it's that's a tricky one

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because a lot of countries i don't
know what it's like in ireland but in canada our self-defense laws
are really they're really not very
good you can't use firearms for self-defense in almost any any
scenario even buying firearms
is not is like it's very difficult and you
can't use defense as reason

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to buy firearms you have to either be a target shooter or hunting
and but if you if you
say you have a firearm for defense
unless you are trained and know
how to use it you're actually doing more harm than good your your
odds of having that go badly are far
greater than if you had no firearm at all and because

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people don't people think that they can practice a
little bit buy a handgun or a rifle or whatever and they'll be fine in a grid
down scenario i'll defend my family it's like no you can't you you really can't
defend your family because you've now the second you have a firearm that now
you don't know how to use you've now escalated situations where now whoever's

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breaking into your house.
It's now almost being forced to meet your level of defense.
It's now lethal, lethal and lethal. And if they're even slightly better than you, it's a no-brainer.
I do think for everybody...
So basic martial arts skills are very important for not only your fitness and

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health and stuff like that,
but just for your confidence in the event of you have to interact with people
in a post grid down world.
World like i'm blue belt in brazilian jiu-jitsu
and a high green belt in kickboxing and before
i did martial arts like i always
knew that if i ever encounter someone that

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if there was a fight i maybe could
handle myself but maybe not now i know that
okay if someone's going to try to attack me.
I have a whole whack of tools and i can
defend myself and that alone makes me
more calm and so in a grid down
scenario if i'm interacting with someone i'm going to have a lot more of

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a calm demeanor and i'm not going to be as aggressive
i'm not going to be nervous i'm not going to be like
you know scared that everyone's going to attack me
because i know okay well if something happens like i
have all these tools to avoid being taken
or being attacked i could i can avoid a
fight very easily so for someone

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who's not trained for someone who has no martial arts skills
has no training at all they're always going to
be their cortisol levels will be high they're going
to be nervous they're going to be like always thinking oh someone's going to attack me
and that alone alone it's going to escalate the possibility of violent interaction
so like if it comes to self-defense just having some martial arts training is

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going to make you so much more calm and it's going to avoid so many problems
not only in your daily life but in a post grid down scenario as well yeah and
i think you know we were talking about in grid down scenarios,
the longer it goes on the more primitive stage we go back to you know and i think.
It's nearly you know you feel as though it's your
duty to be looking after your family or have it's

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a responsibility to maybe even have an essential
kit whether it be the skill
set that you've acquired by martial arts
let's say or self-defense or whether it be the actual
physical kit like a fishing rod or like you said
something about amateur radio and and you know your water device like do you

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go through a list of essential survival kit that in the event here's where your
your radio should be and here's where your water gallons should be or what you
should maybe have in stock in that event.
Well, I think number one is always going to be water. Water is huge because
you can only last about three days without water.

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And having, so your rule of thumb is going to be a gallon of water per person
per day. And then that includes your pets.
So I got a chocolate lab. So that means five gallons of water per day is what I'm allotting.
Now that also covers cooking, cleaning, brushing teeth, stuff like that as well.
So it's not like the gallon of water is a good rule of thumb to have.

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But it's not you're not necessarily going to use a whole gallon of
water every day per person but that's basically your
rule of thumb for planning so i have like a
55 gallon drum turned on its side in my garage where it's filled most of the
way up with water so i think that's about probably 45 ish gallons worth of water
there i have this in different areas around the house i have other jerry cans

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of water and i split them up and put them around the house because i live live in an earthquake zone.
So if there's an earthquake and there's a partial collapse of the house,
which is unlikely because of wood frame construction, but if it were to happen,
I don't want all my water to be in one spot where it gets destroyed.
And then I also have the water bladder that I can put into my bathtub.

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But with the water, wherever your water is.
Having a water filter in those locations as well, again, having multiples is
also essential because Because if you have to gather water from anywhere else,
you have to be able to filter it.
And boiling it is probably okay enough, but you have to think about,

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in an urban environment, chemicals and other things.
There are going to be sediments, chemicals, things like that you don't want to be drinking.
So you want to have a filter that's going to filter as much out as possible.
There's tons of filters on the market. We describe a primitive filter you can build in the book.
But water with filters is essential

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number one absolutely must have
second i would actually put amateur
radio because if you want to really be
prepared you're going to want to be self-sufficient have to get off
the communication grid and every country's
got a different way of becoming an amateur radio operator in
canada it's 100 question tests to get a basic

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license and even if you just get the
most basic amateur radio license and you get just a little handy talky radio
you can communicate with repeater networks in your area and all those repeater
net repeaters that are around your area are all off-grid because ham radio operators
were off-grid right away like we're always thinking battery backups so all the

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repeaters going to be off-grid anyways.
So when the grid goes down those will still be up and you can still communicate
and as long as you are licensed amateur radio operator you get on these nets
you start talking you can again a a lot more information.
You can find out what's going on. You can start hearing how governments are coordinating.
And you can also help out a little bit as well. So.

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Now the information is going to get you and the amount of help it's going to
get you as well is well worth whatever the cost of the test is.
And it's basically almost your number two priority if you want to be really self-sufficient.
And then beyond that, just try to have – I don't think for most people having

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a year's worth of food on hand is super practical. It's a lot of space.
But you should have at least several weeks of food. and
it's not that difficult i do it home by just always having
a bunch of food and rotating it out just the stuff you
eat on a daily basis just having enough food
in your house the last couple of weeks and then just making sure you're

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eating the old stuff first and it's pretty easy
to do like keeping bed couple bag extra bags of
rice extra flour things like that it's.
It's very easy to do it and like beyond that having basic
camping gear is going to be
just it's going to be good enough for if you
had to leave then you could at least to get camping

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gear you can at least set up a camp somewhere and if
you could if you can go to a campsite you can you can bug
out with that same gear it's just going to be not like a
true bug out bag yeah and you.
Know it's interesting you're talking about um water filters there's probably
a great utility for water filters these days even i'd
imagine you know like regardless of the

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the scenarios the doomsday scenarios and i
think ireland is being brought up in european courts for its water
quality issues at the moment we're lucky enough here
we have a well but on top of that we have
a uv treated and we have the reverse osmosis system
put in and it's not that we're overpowering i
don't like that there's a well there that needs to be cleaned so but
um you know i used to do a bit of personal training with

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people and one of the people worked for waterways ireland
so irish water and she told
me i'd never drink what comes out of tap in ireland and
i think america is supposed to be worse than that i don't
know what canada's like but and there's nearly utility and everyone
having water filters at the moment even as it is yeah it definitely is being

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able to filter your water is pretty pretty essential in canada water around
here is pretty good other provinces are not as good but in the states i drank
some water and it taps in different areas of the united states and And yeah.
The taste alone tells you that something's up with it.
Yeah. You mentioned there as well about the kids going to school in a different

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world as the 80s when you yourself grow up.
Sometimes and often I would have, you know, I suppose your background dictates
kind of what you think would be essential for kids to learn these days rather
than the different things that are coming into the curriculums.
But the likes of of your book even

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you know you can imagine how much utility that would
have for kids in a secondary school environment
if they had like i always taught the physical
education classes here in in ireland are once or
maybe twice a week and it's just go and hit a shuttlecock over
the thing or play dodgeball there's nothing about there's no
nutritional there's no you know stretching there's no anatomy there's

(43:41):
no heart rate stuff and there's nothing that's actually essential.
To being healthy and what food does to
your body there's no theory in it at all and it's
a shame because it seems it's such an essential thing to keep yourself
fit and well and obviously obesity is going through the roof
and i'm not saying just lack of exercise but
it's also our food chain but knowing them like even

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we're talking about going out hunting for meat i can
see the utility in that these days just for the pure natural aspect
of the meat you're getting knowing where it comes from and
that it's grazing on grass that's not being pumped
with anything the same with chickens i go
to a friend of mine up the wicklow mountains and he has chickens
there and when i get an egg there it's nothing like

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even the most organic free range things i can pick up in the shop it's completely
better the shells are tougher you know the egg is yellower you know you can
see the difference but do you think like you could ever see a scenario where
where you could bring that book into even local schools to get a push on that.
I think there's a massive, you know, even if you've got a local politician running

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it, I think there'd be a massive utility in that.
Oh, there definitely would be. It's a tough place to get into.
I know our education here is provincially mandated.
But I think from the parents' perspective,
from people that talk to you, like we're always, you know,
at the school pickup, up we're always complaining about the you

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know what the kids are learning is like oh you know why don't
they learn how to do their own taxes right why are they learning how to
do some abstract math problem when they could be learning something practical
why you know why are they being forced to do music when they could be like out
you know building something or like there's there's so many things that yeah
like a book like no great survival projects would you know it would be be definitely a big help.

(45:31):
But I think at the end of the day, it also like the parents are the ones who
do a lot of the education of that kind of stuff.
Whereas we just outsource the reading, writing and arithmetic,
whatever else teachers.
Yeah. And there seems to be in the school, a push towards the humanities and
the college degree where trades are falling off and there's massive supply of,

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There's a massive demand for tradesmen here in Ireland and you're waiting months
before someone come out and do a simple plumber job in your house.
You know, I have a friend who you said you're a metal fabricator, a welder fabricator.
A friend who is a metal fabricator and his phone is forever hopping.
You know, he could do his full week's work and he'd never come home on a Saturday

(46:16):
or Sunday because people are just looking for him.
You know, truck trailers need to be fixed. like and there's people gates and
you put up sheds for farmers like everything is going.
That's a bit of a shame that we've gone that way because yeah like
you know even for the job pool scenario everyone's
looking at your experience in college rather than your experience in
real life or how practical you could be thinking outside

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the box or it's it's all just academic they
don't want to see you or hear from you they want to just see what's on the
paper what you are in terms of what number
you've achieved it's an awful shame it's
definitely a different world than what we grew up in i think i was
always going that way but it's you know the the lack
of obvious focus on trade and

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pushing people towards that is baffling you know and
maybe it is the agenda of not letting people
be set too self-sufficient again i don't
know you know i've seen you had a yeah
you had a post up on you know about bunkers let's
say you know the zuckerbergs and the gates of the
world who um definitely have questionable motivations

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i would say in most of their recent things but um you know in terms of a bunker
you know are how essential is something like that you know when you see like
i suppose you kind of have to be somewhat aligned with politics and what's going on in politics.
To prepare yourself for what's going on in the world and what possible outcomes there could be.

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What do you think when you see Zuckerberg building a bunker or Bill Gates building a bunker?
Well, look at them, because there's been more than a few billionaires and Hollywood
types and tech CEOs and stuff who have done that, and they've built bunkers.
I wonder if they see the possibility of even an EMP or a coronal mass ejection.

(48:13):
They see the possibilities of collapses of governments or even economic collapse.
And I'm wondering if they just want to hedge their bets. And then they have the money to do it, too.
So they have so much money. It's one of those maybe it's not really an agenda
thing as much as it's like, why not have a bunker?

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You know, one billionaire's got a bunker, next thing you know,
all the billionaires get bunkers, right?
It's like one billionaire goes to space, everyone wants to go to space, right?
But when it comes to a guy like Zuckerberg, that kind of makes me think a little
bit because they have access to all the algorithms.

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I think the power behind having access to all the social media algorithms and
being able to really get a good idea of what's going on worldwide through them.
I do sometimes wonder about that and whether or not guys like Zuckerberg know
a lot more about what's going on than even government do.

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Just because of the amount of data that they have access to,
they can kind of almost predict what's going to happen. and maybe he is kind
of predicting something's going to happen and he's hedging his bets with a very nice bunker.
Yeah, well, we've seen a few climate disasters, let's say in a few years, with wildfires.
I think Canada had a few, didn't they, last year?

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And across Europe had a few. And then he's seen something about,
it turns out a lot of these were man-made, you know, and then you get these two kind of narratives,
that the climate change is being pushed And I've been watching some of the US
Congress where they said, look, you know, our emissions are only 0.04% or sorry,
carbon is only 0.04% of the atmosphere.

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So how could we ever have such a dangerous effect on it at all?
But yes, they disregard that and they keep pushing and keep pushing.
And then you see these kind of like it's nonstop rain in Ireland here since
the start of the year. And I know Ireland's known for its rain,
but I know local farmers who can't do anything in their fields,
you know, at all with their crop. It rained all day today.

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And, you know, my example, not too far away from yourselves,
I suppose, was NASA in Alaska had this weather control project going on about
15 years ago, I think roughly around then.
And born from that during the
olympic games in china they're able to move the clouds out away

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from the stadium sometimes it
worries me how much how much more control do they have than we think they have
you know if they really want to push a climate catastrophe and they're moving
clouds around the skies and people are swallowing it up because they're seeing
wildfires and they're They're seeing excess rain and they're seeing rising water levels.

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How, you know, like, and these guys are then building bunkers,
the same guys who are pushing these ideas.
It makes you worried that, you know, maybe there's something way more sinister
going on and maybe the likes of these skills are way more in need than we think.
Yeah, regardless of whether or not the weather is being manipulated,

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I mean, I can definitely say without a doubt it's changing.
Like even where I live, the amount of wire, the wildfire season is getting longer
and more intense every, every year, basically.
I think right now we have record low snowpack. Like it just didn't snow.
My wife likes to go snowshoeing and she hasn't had a chance to go at all this

(51:51):
year. Like, and we live with mountains everywhere.
Basically half an hour away like and they're usually covered in snow
and they're not so i've seen it like
i've seen it happening over the past well 43
years i've been alive that the the
climate has absolutely been changing and i mean whether or not it's like intentional

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is i mean we'll probably never really find out but we definitely need to the
self-reliance thing helps with that Because if you can grow your own food and
you can just like just having a backyard garden,
you're going to kind of get a bit more of a feel for how the climate is changing.
And you're going to be able to adapt quite easily to that because you'll you'll

(52:34):
like physically be there, like in the dirt planting your season.
You know, one year. Oh, hey, growing season's gotten a little bit shorter,
maybe got longer or maybe this month was better.
And you can adjust things you get a kind of a better feel
for how things are changing and they'll help you to like
adapt to it if you start noticing that your growing season
is shrinking then you can kind of you can plan for that if you know your winter

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is getting longer maybe you're going to start preparing for longer winter knowing
that the power grid is going to get taxed maybe you start preparing for power
grid going down to winter because that happens on a of regular basis too when
you start cranking up the heat and we're all in electric heat.
Then you could if you if you're more in tuned everything you can kind of prepare
for that a little bit better and yeah but yeah i definitely think that we we

(53:23):
need to use climate change as a kind of a wake-up call to to get prepared and
get as as self-reliant as we possibly can.
Yeah i think you know have you seen i guess in the last few years i've seen
this more prevalent that there's people divided a little bit.
And I'd say, kind of off the top of my head and thinking that maybe there was

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three divisions or three groups that they separated into.
There was the people who were kind of going along with everything that was being
put through the TV and the radio. There's people who were worried about everything.
And there's people who didn't know where they stood and just buried their head
in the sand about it completely.
Do you see a certain type of,

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personality or certain traits in people who are
more attracted to your projects and
what you're doing here with the no grid survival projects well
i think it's definitely the people who are questioning what they
see like and also people who are worried about
stuff too like if they're worried about
natural disasters you're going to be more gravitating towards a

(54:29):
book like this but if you're also if you're questioning the narratives that
we get that are coming out whether it be be
climate change or the grid or or whatever you're
more likely to be gravitating more towards like
a self self-reliance thing and it doesn't
take much to find the book like if you start like even
if it was something like your water system you wanted how do i get off the the

(54:53):
city water and you start googling about you know how to how to do that or you
know want or back up water eventually you're probably going to find the book
or you're going to at least get down a path that's It's going to lead you there, right?
Same thing with power. Like, how do I set back up power? You're going to eventually
probably find your way through the book as well.
And it's those types of people who are, like, seeing the narratives coming out.

(55:16):
They're questioning it. Those are the ones that are really gravitating towards
buying no-grace survival projects.
And then, of course, too, like I said, people are scared of things happening.
Like, if you're worried about a earthquake happening and you're looking to get prepared,
it's definitely something that's gonna that's without a
doubt gonna cross your path i've seen him i've

(55:37):
seen a comment on i don't know i know it's actually it was jordan peterson and
dr phil released a podcast yesterday i know peter peterson is fellow canadian
i don't know what your your stance is on him but i've seen the two of them and
you put a video out yesterday about the attack on on,
it was an attack on families and faith.

(55:59):
And there was something else. It was tree. I can't think it off top of my head.
And they both went through what they see kind of in the, what.
Social sphere that the nuclear family is kind
of being attacked and the christian faith a bit has been
a bit it seems to be a bit attacked and and i've
seen a comment i think it was rose at the top comment and it said something

(56:23):
like lift weights eat steaks find god and it had thousands of like straight
off the bat i don't know what you think about that the whole lift weight eat eat steaks, find God.
Well, I think definitely the lift weights, each steak, I think that's actually

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an underrated part of being self-reliant. It's just getting healthy.
There's so much benefit to lifting weights, going for fun, training martial arts, and then eating.
The war against eating meat is kind
of a weird weird a weird thing i've noticed

(57:05):
in the past little while where they are trying to demonize it so
much but like that's the only reason we're here is
because our ancestors ate meat like they
went hunted down because it fells in the savannah cooked it
and ate it and their brains developed that's the only
reason why we're all here so like the war
against that is is it's kind of baffling

(57:25):
and in like terms of like finding god i'm kind of i'm agnostic myself so i don't
really have have an opinion but having some kind of faith is i don't ever see
that as a negative for anyone like if like having something to believe in i
don't i never saw that as as negative.
If it makes you a better person, then I say go for it.

(57:51):
And I see that there is an online push now for a lot of people going back to the major religions.
And I see it as a definite positive.
And I mean, really, I think that's also like a little tiny silent rebellion
against the political sphere that, you know, there's been this push almost away

(58:12):
from the churches and people start going back.
I mean, it's all these little subtle bits of rebellion that we're doing against
the system, so to speak. And I think it's good to see.
And I know a lot of, like, as I say, I'm agnostic.
I know a lot of people who are religious or some people who weren't religious
were now becoming religious. And I see there's nothing but a benefit.

(58:32):
You know, it's interesting because the statement even of lifting weights and
eating steak and the podcast being about the attack on the family structure and faith.
And it's interesting we talk about the meat element of
it where obviously you know like i've
been i know there's a carnivore diet out there and i'm
not fully on the carnivore diet but i have been leaning

(58:53):
more towards steak and eggs even for breakfast let's say you know and taking
out the kind of refined carbs out of the diet i feel much more lighter i do
intermittent fasting as well i find breaking my fast with a bit of steak and
eggs really fills me up and gives me a bit more energy to stay going in the day.
I have three kids and I never wanted, because I'm moving on to the nuclear family

(59:17):
side of things now, I never wanted the climate or the times to dictate my family number.
You know, I'd like a big family. I don't want inflation to affect that or any
kind of anything to stand in that way.
I know it's maybe not the most practical way of thinking about it,
but there's some things that are more deeply enshrined, I guess,

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you know, at the end of the day, when you're a grandfather or,
you know, when you want a big family there.
And it's, I think it's a nice thing to have. Like my father comes from a family
of 10 and most people have one to two kids these days. It happened very quickly.
And it's not a nice trend. I don't think they say where our population rate
is no, no longer at the same.

(01:00:00):
It was doubling in the eighties. And now it's not even at reproduction level.
And it's scary because i do see i really
go a bit about excess death and drop of fertility and
i'm wondering is it do with food is it do with you know
there's a whole host of things controversial you could get into there
but i don't want the times to dictate the family size in terms of finding god

(01:00:23):
like i i go to my kids local school and we grew up in catholic ireland and we
said our prayers going to school and we did our communion and confirmation and
you know all the sacraments,
my son goes to and educate together and there seems to be.
Like they can't say Christmas in there. You know, it's the total opposite.

(01:00:44):
There's no cross anywhere on the wall where there's other religions to be more inclusive.
And you can't talk about 10 things. It's like it's taboo. And it's a very quick turnaround.
And it is, it's a scary how quick the world changes.
And I'm only 35. And I guess you've probably seen it more, you know,

(01:01:05):
because you have, you know, it seems to be more rapidly changing.
Do you think I'm just reacting to because I'm going through it?
Or do you think that's true that it's polarizing a lot quicker?
I think it is. I think just going off of conversations with my kids,
I think the polarization and I think like.

(01:01:29):
I hate to say the word woke, but woke culture and stuff like that.
And all the political correctness and all of that, I think it's hitting a peak
because like my kids are more along the lines of like, they just like,
they're kind of tired of it. They're, they're more making fun of it now.
Like all the political correctness stuff. They're like, and they just kind of,

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they're like, they don't care what anyone does.
They don't care. They just want everyone to kind of just leave them alone.
They want to leave everyone else alone.
And there's more of that around even talking to their friends and stuff.
Like it seems to me that, And it got really divisive for quite a while,
but now it's kind of like going back down the opposite direction where it's,

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I think they've seen with like cancel culture or stuff like that,
like that's what can happen with it.
And when it goes too far, and I think it has gone too far and now it's being pulled back.
And I think, I mean, my kids are like my oldest is in high school.
So there's still a little ways to go before they start making changes in public

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policy but I think within the next like 10-20 years it's going to go 180 degrees
and we're going to get back to it and I think even with like,
having bigger families and stuff like that I think it's going to go the same
direction like the kids the kids are the generation coming up now even though
they're stuck on social media and screens and stuff I think they're going to

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actually be a pretty positive.
Pretty positive influence of society once they start getting
to the point where they start making policy decisions and start
getting into governments and start changing and steering
the ship back the right way because ultimately it's their world and i think
they realize that and they are seeing where it could go and even conversation

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i've had with like the kids who do our kickboxing class like even them they're
they're into self-sufficiency and stuff they They want to learn stuff.
They want to know how to do stuff. They want to know practical skills.
Like they're, they're interested in things like that. And I think that like,
think we got to wait a little bit and survive a little bit longer,
but I think we're going to see some big changes.

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And I think they're going to, I think this generation coming up is going to
be the one that makes the changes.
Yeah. I think that's great. Yeah. That's great. I think it's a positive note to even to finish on.
Tell me just really quickly, if people were
to go straight from this to download not to
download but to find your book for purchase what site would
they go straight to i'll be no grid survival projects.com

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there's a few sites out there but i think that's the main ones no grid survival
projects.com yeah you go there you can buy the book straight from there there's
also a digital copy of the book as well that you can have right away so you
don't have to wait for the physical copy to get shipped to you you'll have a PDF download.
And there are some other smaller e-books that come with it as well.

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I can't remember off the top of my head what they were, but there's quite a
bit of value for the $37 cost.
Yeah, very good. Look, I really appreciate you taking time out.
It was great talking to you. It's a really interesting subject.
And I'm going to get a copy myself after this review as well.
Well so um yeah look i and i hope it goes i hope it continues to lift because

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i think it's a great utility for people to have i think it's it's it's a timeless
piece you know you're always going to,
like rainwater is not going to change you know and and filters aren't
going to change and this scenario you know
this book would have been useful 30 years ago and
it's going to be useful in 30 years time and absolutely so
i think it i think it's great and look that's all i appreciate

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you taking the time out yeah absolutely it was good stuff i liked it yeah well
i appreciate it and look sure look we might talk again in the future um and
hopefully that that book might worm its way a bit more into society by then
yeah hopefully yeah yeah that's great i look appreciate that michael thanks
very much yeah no problem thank you.
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