Ep 46 - Why Adrien Mauduit urge us to pursue something beyond financial reward in our life - The Art of Photography

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Adrien Mauduit (00:00):
You know, it's like oh my gosh it's useless to

(00:01):
start now. No it's not. And ifit brings something for you
other than making money thendefinitely do it because for me
that brings photography nice guybrings joy for me being alone
with the elements when there'sno sound outside no winds you
know, you have the perfectpristine sky with I don't know,

(00:24):
I would imagine a nice lake or anice you know, still see where
you get the reflection of themoon or the reflection of stars.
Oh my goodness, there's nofeeling beating that I think

Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt (00:44):
Hey, wicked hunters Welcome back to
The Art of Photography podcast,where we share artists journey
and how they found hope, purposeand happiness through their
passion in photography. Andtoday, I have a very special
guest. I came across his workback in clubhouse a thing and he
is a legend. When it comes tocapturing the night sky. You

(01:06):
know, the Aurora is and theMilky Way's In fact, I think he
was the very his work was thevery first photo that I saw the
two in one frame as just thatjust blew me away. So
Adrian, how's it going? I thinkyou're tuning in from Norway.
Right? Are you staying inLofoten?

Hey, good morning for me. Yeah, so I am
talking to you from ArcticNorway. And right now is 9am. So
just waking up from from a shortnight after chase of Aurora and
but I'm so delighted, you know,to wake up early and to be
talking to you and connectingwith you here. i We have we met

(01:51):
through through clubhouse duringthe pandemic. And I think that
was, you know, a great way toreally connect with people that
maybe you might have missed outon other platforms. And you
know, whose work are just, oh mygosh, I mean, I mean, your work
as well is just so tremendous.And I'm so happy I found you.

(02:14):
And so that we connect, but
yeah, so you talked about MilkyWay and Aurora. And actually now
is the good time to see thosetwo phenomena together. It is
really the the only time of yearwhere you can get the two lined
up like this. We can expand abit more on that afterwards if

(02:34):
you want. But, uh, yeah, I'm sohappy to be here. Thank

you for having me. That's awesome.
Yeah, we're just gonna writeright away straight off the bat
giving a cliffhanger. So if youstay till the end, you will
learn how to capture the real QAand the Aurora. That's I love
it. But yeah, man, like I comeacross your photo, I come across
you first of course, it's youcame to the clubhouse, go
through your photos, and it'sjust insane. You know, I don't,

(03:01):
I don't think I've ever seenanyone dedicated to shoot, you
know, Aurora, as much as you do.And it's just absolutely
incredible. And one of the myfavourite photos was when
there's the reindeer and Auroraon the background, but we'll
talk a little bit more aboutthat a little bit later. Before
we get, you know, we get to thenice and interesting part. I'd

(03:26):
like you to introduce yourselfand you know, share, share to
the audience who you are. Andfor those who haven't come
across yet. Where is the passionof chasing this, you know,
Aurora rose and the night skycame from because we all know
people like their sleeps andtheir rest, right? And you just

(03:49):
say, you know, you had a shortnight to be here, but you don't
look tired at all. So, so yeah,let us know.

Sorry, you need to zoom in and look at my eyes,
if you can see right there readyto read. But yeah, so who am I?
So I am a 33 year oldphotographer from France. So
originally, I'm French. But Iactually haven't lived in France
in Well, between, I would say 10and 15 years. So it's been quite

(04:21):
a long time. You know, my familyis back in France, but I've been
travelling and and I actuallylived in several other
countries. I've lived in, inCanada, Denmark, and now living
in Norway. So you know, I'vedone a lot of a lot of
travelling in differentdifferent countries. And so I

(04:43):
live off of my photography I'vebeen living off of my
photography for about I would, Iwould say since 2017. So it's
still quite recent. If you ifyou say so before that time it
was more of a hobby that Ipicked up when I was Living in
Denmark, I was working as ateacher, because originally I'm

(05:05):
not a photographer. Like Ihaven't really, you know, been
educated as a photographer atuniversity. I was originally in
the science departments. And soI earned a master's degree in
environmental sciences. Whichmaster degree thesis I finished

(05:28):
in Canada, in Alberta actually,were funny enough, you could see
Aurora, but back then I wasjust, you know, not educated
enough. I mean, I, I knew aboutAurora and and, you know, that
was kind of like this dream tosee Aurora, but I never really
got to realise this dream. And,you know, so I, I really got the

(05:49):
first connection with Aurora andastrophotography. When I was in
Denmark, believe it or not, thisis what started my photography
journey, actually. So I changedcareer because of this one
experience that I had in, in, inDenmark. So let me go back to it

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just just very briefly. So I wasworking at a school in Denmark
and like a boarding school, andone of the one of the teachers
around the the teachers loungetable. We were talking about,
you know, our biggest dreamsand, you know, our bucket list
items. And I mentioned that Iwanted to see the aurora, you

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know, so bad. And, you know, inmy head, I thought about going
to Iceland, going to Canada,Alaska, you know, very far away.
Polar locations. Not reallylike, you know, I wouldn't even
even imagine you could even seethe aurora from so far south.
And yet that teacher, thatcolleague told me, Oh, yeah, you

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know, I spent my nights becausehe was the cadet teacher. So
he's used to spend his nights onthe hills. And he told me, yeah,
every once in a while, we get adisplay of auroras, you know,
dipping down to the lowerlatitudes. And I was like, No
way. You must be, you must bekidding me right now. No, no,
no. So. So after watching, youknow, several alert websites and

(07:17):
everything, there was one nightwhere there was a possibility.
So I went to the beach, waitedmaybe for like five hours. He
had, you know, he had said, youknow, keep a nice, clear view
towards the north have clearskies, no moon, if possible. And
then wait. So I did. And, youknow, I waited for six hours in

(07:39):
the cold, didn't see anything.And I was like, No, you know, he
must have been kidding me. Youknow, it must have been a joke.
And on my way back to the car, Iwas, I still had the clear view
towards the north, but I wasjust facing away from the beach.
And the tree line in front ofme, you know, I was just getting
to the carpark the tree line infront of me just lit up. And,

(08:05):
you know, in my head was like,well, there could be several
things here at like, I don'tknow, like the, you know, a boat
from you know, there were thereweren't any cars or any roads. I
was like, couldn't be a car.Could be like a big boat. Could
be the moon could be I don'tknow. But sure enough, you know,

(08:25):
I turned back to to check whatit was an end. Oh, my goodness,
this was this was the very firstpeek at the Aurora. And even
though it's not as bright and ascolourful as what I get now in
Northern Norway above head, oh,my goodness, that was so out of
this world, like something youhad never seen. And when, you

(08:50):
know,
I mean, I've been brought up inthe city. But you know, I've
been fortunate enough to have asummer house in the countryside.
So I know what normal andpolluted or at least not that
much light polluted. nightscapelooks like, you know, the amount
of light coming from thisphenomenon is something that is

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completely stranger to like,anything else, you know, it's
just so, so powerful. I mean,it's just like these pillars
that sit on the northern horizonand lighting up the whole
landscape. Almost casting ashadow on the ground is

(09:31):
something otherworldly and thatit's undescribable if you've
never seen it, and so eversince, you know, ever since that
experience, that adrenaline kickthat comes when your aura
explodes and I'm sure you canrelate. It's just yeah, it's
just what what you know,starting to patch started what
started the passion about theAurora and ever since I actually

(09:55):
picked up my first camera thenext day because I just wanted
to capture it. You know? I'vealready captured so bad, but I
was, you know, didn't knowanything about photography. So I
learned myself through YouTubetutorials, you know, being the
field trials and errors. And Iactually switched jobs because
this was just you know, chasing,you're chasing the night sky

(10:18):
become became a passionbasically.

That yeah, like, it's really hard to
explain that feeling right whenyou for when you see the aurora,
whether it's the first time oryou know, however many times but
I'd like you to try. How doesthat feeling? You know, for the
audience never feel you whonever seen it? Before? How does

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it feel to be able to be in thispristine dark sky? Seeing the
sky dancing?

So, first, for the audience, I think, you know,
it's good to have, that's why Imentioned the dark sky
reference, you know, knowingwhat, sort of like a typical
dark sky looks like, you know,not the sky of you know, of a
city, but being just maybe justoutside of a city already, you
know, it's I know, it's probablya bit light polluted. But it

(11:19):
just gives you an idea of theamount of light of natural
light, I would say, that'scoming from the nice guy, you
know, it's, it's not a lot, butit's still a little bit. So you
can sort of make out a fewthings in the landscape, you
know, at least in black andwhite. So, it's good to have a
reference. And once you do, you,I think you can appreciate even

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more, how much how muchbrightness and how much light
comes from this phenomenon. Imean, it's just particles
bombarding the atmosphere,causing it to, to light up
basically to to really producelight dancing light, just like a
just like a neon light. Now,about the experience, I think,

(12:06):
is just life changing. It just,it's groundbreaking, like it is
something that unravels or thatjust how to describe it, it
changes your view, I think on alot of things, because again,
that's, that's unlike anythingyou've ever seen. And one, when

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you have this connection to thedark sky, when you know what a
dark, normal dark sky lookslike, you know, it's not usual,
you know, it's something that isalmost alien, you know? So, it's
just, personally I didn't, Ididn't cry, maybe I shed a
little tear. At the beginning, Ijust can't remember. But I know,

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you know, now that I've seen somany people react on the Aurora,
we all have a different, adifferent reaction to the euro,
some people cry some peoplejust, you know, lay down, you
know, they feel the need to laydown because not necessarily
because it's overhead, but morebecause they it's almost like

(13:14):
they feel the weight of thisnatural phenomenon. And they you
know, they have no choice but tosit down or lay down and just
appreciate almost almost like aI wouldn't say fear reaction,
but you know, like, almost like,like a child when it's being
grounded and like sits down andit just does nothing. That's the

(13:34):
sort of like yeah, you justyou're at a loss for words and
some of the people just dancearound shoutings you know, we
all have I tend to be like thisor I used to be like this
actually more often, but not I'mtaking photography and I'm alone
I just try to enjoy the show.And just I think I just let my

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cameras run the time lapses I doa bit of real time filming, but
I just watch all the time it'svery important to also enjoy the
show for yourself 100%

And you know it's one of the reason
why I got into time lapse isbecause then I could take photo
at the same time I could enjoythe scenery it's really nice
that way but um, yeah, like soyou know looking at your
Instagram which is nights NightNight Lights films, you know
it's just filled with this nightshot right whether it's Aurora

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whether it's a Milky Way ormeteor shower, so how often do
you go out there and you know,chase this the night skies

Okay, so every time that I that is that we have
clear skies because I shouldn'tmention we're I'm in a part of
the world. So I live full timein Arctic Norway. And who says
gold says, you know, clouds andcondensation and precipitation,
obviously. And so, the thewindow, the windows of

(15:05):
opportunity, I think, are quiteshort and small in Norway,
because we're also close to thesea. And we, you know, we get
the influence from the GulfStream and from the sea. And we
have a lot of cloud entry and,and stuff like that. So whenever
the sky is clear, I just go outeven if the, the the award
activity is, is quite low,because then I can do Milky Way

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Believe it or not, Aurora is aform of is a good form of light
pollution, but it's still lightpollution. So whenever you know
you would have you would have todo anything deep sky or you
know, just Milky Way, you needto make sure the award is at the
lowest because otherwise itoutshines everything that just

(15:50):
how much light, you know, comesout of the Aurora. And funnily
enough, last night, I was, youknow, I started the evening
shooting the Milky Way, but Ineeded to stop the time lapse,
almost halfway through becausethe Aurora just suddenly got a
bit brighter, and that's enoughto burn the whole, the whole sky
is just, you know, thehighlights were just burnt in

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the Aurora to expose nicely forthe Milky Way. So I need to
reduce the shutter speed andstart a new. So that's just the
way it is you need to you cannever know what your A does.
And, and so yeah, but to comeback to your question,
basically. So I chased youraura, most likely you're up. I

(16:31):
do a bit of milky way here inNorway, but it mostly Aurora,
throughout the Aurora season,which here spans from anywhere
from, I think late August to thestart of April. And then the
rest of the year, I do someother types of work. I usually
travel the world to take sometime lapses in real time

(16:54):
sequences that I licence toproduction companies. So I do
different type of work duringthe winter. And during the
summer, which I like as well.Because there is a lot as
opposed to, you know, beingsitting in an office and and
doing the same type, likerepetitive work over and over
again.

sounds horrible job there. And I don't
know, it's I know. Hopefully,you know, the listeners can hear
the sarcasm in there. But yeah,like, yeah, man, that's awesome,
right? It's just like, I thinkit's really good. One of the
things that I love abouttravelling is that change. So I

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know exactly how, you know,giving that change can help your
creativity and how much you youhave to stay in love with what
you do, right? Because I thinkit's important, otherwise,
things just get stagnant. Andyeah, so all of this Alright, do
you mostly shoot them in Norway?Or do you go to other parts of

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the world to chase these ordersas well?

So, yes, so I'm, you know, I decided to, to come
to Norway, and to emigrate inNorway, because, or I should
say, Northern Norway, becauseNorway is quite a long country
from from south to north. So,you know, it almost, I always
like to name Norway, because inmy head, it's like the way to

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the North, in a way, you know,it's like it begins in the
south, away from most of theAurora, and then just make your
way up north, you know, morethan 1000 kilometres. And then
you're there, you're at thepolar circle, the Arctic Circle.
And that's where you see most ofthe aurora in this zone of the

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world. So I decided to immigratethere, because obviously, this
is the home of the Aurora. Andwe get a show. If it's clear, we
get a shot every night, we getto see the aurora every single
night, of course, in varyingintensity and varying activity,
but we still see the auroraevery night if it's clear. But

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that being said, sometimes theAurora dips way for the South.
So when we have periods ofincreased what we call increased
geomagnetic activity. So that'sthe the activity that's being
created by the disturbances ofthe solar wind, and how the

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planet reacts to thosedisturbances. So that the
consequences one of theconsequences, the creation of
the euro, obviously, but thereare other consequences. But
anyways, when this activity ishigher, the best of the world
activity actually migratestowards the equator. And how far

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how far towards the equator isdictated by many factors. So you
can never really predict per sewhen that the best activity will
end up in terms of location butAnd sometimes, you know, in the
span of an hour, it canliterally, it can literally
travel, I would say, you know,five, between 500 and 1000

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kilometres south. So obviouslyyou can, it's not like you can
take orbit by plane ticket, andjust and just you know, last
minute just fly to wherever youwant. But I also travelled to
other locations and othercountries, for example, very
often now as we're getting intomore rural activity during the

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solar cycle, because we'rearriving at a very interesting
part of the solar cycle now,which is called the solar
maximum, where the the, youractivity is supposed to be more
frequent. And more towards theequator as well. I tend to
travel last year, I travelledseveral times to Finland and
Sweden, for example. But I'vechased your rora in Iceland and

(20:58):
chased it in Canada. Afterwards,when I you know, I wanted to go
back and see that for myself aswell in Canada. And yes, we
didn't Norway, Finland. Andthat's about it, I think, maybe,
you know, nevermind, I chest abit in the US as well. So
several locations, I still havea few locations that I'd like to

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see. And especially thatincludes the the Southern
Lights, never seen the southernlights. So being able to see the
what we call the conjugateAurora, because it's basically
almost the same Aurora that'shappening at the same time in
the north in the South. I wantto see it in the South as well.
So southern southern hemisphere,obviously.

Yeah, I mean, like those, this the
South, the southern light isactually quite interesting. And
I'm wondering what makes youwant to see the Southern Lights,
because they're, they almostlook about the same compared to
Northern Light in most cases.

So there, there are several things, it's
actually a very interestingquestion. And I think we're
getting a bit more into detailhere with your aura. So like I
said, you know, when we getthose bursts of auras, or these
bursts of activity, they'regenerally speaking, the overall

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I will look almost exactly thesame in the South and in the
north, because it's just the waythe aura is created. The
particles, you know, they just,they're just channelled towards
the channel towards suppose,almost, you know, at the same
time, quite actually add thesame time. And with the same
sort of properties, but thereare still a few differences.

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It's not like a mirror, aperfect mirror, there are some
differences. And actually, thewhat we call the world oval,
which is it at any time, it'sjust all the war happening at
one pole, it looks like adoughnut shape. And that is

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actually a bit more active inthe South for some reason, it
has to do with the way the, themagnetic field of the Earth is,
is made. And so it's a bitstronger at the south. And so
the southern oval is usuallyslightly more active, and you

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will see slightly, maybe morecolourful or brighter or as for
the same, you know, same globalshow. So that's one of the
reasons and the second reasonis, you know, you can see the
award, the southern lights, youcan see them in countries where,
you know, have always been on mybucket list, like this mania and

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New Zealand, Australia, andmaybe perhaps Antarctica as
well, I know, you know, you'dhave to travel quite far inland
to see the Southern Lights inAntarctica. But still, it's
just, I just want to see it formyself, you know, even if it's
the same, that's the cool thingwith your whare you know, you
asked me I think at thebeginning, we talked about

(24:08):
change in our, our job. And theraw is the definition of change
because it's never the same itjust from one name to another,
you know, changes from one evenfrom one minute to another, it
changes shape, colours and stufflike that, in this case. So
that's what makes it sointeresting. You know, not two
times this is going to be thesame and you never know what

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you're gonna get. So that'swhat's so exciting. About the
Aurora.

Yeah, no 100% I think, you know, like,
when you shoot Aurora, even withthe same exact composition,
there's always there's alwaysdifferent right? But let's say
for example, if you shoot theMilky Way, like you are chasing
the composition, because youknow, if you should at the same
time, you know, or roughly aboutthe same time at the same
location. It looks exactly thesame. So yeah, that's that's,

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it's really cool, but alright,that way, but um, Australia, I
didn't think. I mean, I knowwhen there is the storm is
really high, you can kind of seeit in Australia, but it's
really, really hard to see inAustralia and my right, like, I
think Manaea would be the bestchance, right? But in the
mainland Australia, it's alittle bit too far north to be

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able to be like pillars andstuff.

You'd be surprised, actually, I think to
think it's Victoria in inAustralia, they see Aurora much
more often than then one wouldthink. Because even when it's,
you know, Tasmania in theSouthern New Zealand, it's
actually not that far. It'squite towards support, it's a,

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it would be the equivalent of,of like the Well, it depends
across the states, obviously.But like, I couldn't give you an
equivalent because the deal wascrude, the, the oval is crooked.
So it doesn't correspond togeographic latitude,
unfortunately. So I couldn'tgive you a reference. But

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Tasmania in New Zealand, they'reactually quite far towards the
Aurora. And on very good shows,you know, they could see the
aurora above head in certainTasmania. And

so you're saying? So by the way,
what Adrian was saying, it'slike the oval where the Aurora
is happening is not dial up,it's not exactly circular to the
north or the south pole. Sothere is like a little bit oval.
That's why they call it thatmakes sense, though, it's not a
circle. So So what you're sayingis that as menu and New Zealand

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is closer to the active part ofthe oval, is that what you're
saying?

That's exactly what I'm saying. While you know,
travelling to Australia doesmake a difference, you know, I
mean, you were, you're gettingfurther away from the oval.
There, there, there is stilllike a, quite a large part in
the southern, I think, easternpart southeast part of

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Australia, where it's, it'squite possible to see your whare
you know, albeit on the horizon,but still, you know, quite quite
often actually, they see theaura, and they don't need like a
big, big storm to actually startseeing pillars on the horizon,
believe it or not, so, it's, Ithink it's a it's been a

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misconception. You know, notbeing able to see the aurora or
thinking you're could never havethe natural attitude. But if
you're, you know, if you getinto liking the Aurora and
trying to chase it and reallytrying to understand when it

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happens and why that happens. Ithink you'll understand why the
Aurora happens way more oftenthan you think and way closer to
you than you think. So, youknow, obviously the best shows
are where you're under theAurora, but if you're not under
the Aurora, you might besurprised to know, the Aurora is
not that far away from you, asyou think well in Valley

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unfortunately. You need you needsuch a powerful story. But you
know, so, you know, talking tosome people in the world, they
might not even know they couldsee the award at their place
without having the need totravel so I think it's nice for
them to know,

ya know, 100% I think most people
the biggest the biggest problemor challenges that most people
have is that the city lightsright. You live in the city you
can hardly see the stars tostart with, let alone auroras
you know, when it's when it'stoo far away from the from the
source itself. But like, youknow, like, I mean, I've seen

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some of your shots where it wasfull moon and you could see the
aurora and you know, some ofthem are accompanied by a bright
city lights and all that stuff.So yeah, like if you're really
go far north, you could reallysee it even with you know, a
light around your horizon. Andso like man, like you take so

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many Aurora shots, right? Andit's been just like crazy. You
know, when I first met you andjust like I do not know anyone
who take more or photos than youdo is just incredible. So

Unknown (29:35):
out of those,

what is your let's say, most
memorable moment that you'vecaptured a with the Aurora

think you know when you when you take or photos
when you take so much or photosand not I'm not saying that for?
No I do. laughs so I don't knowhow just how many shots I've
taken over my career so far. ButI can tell you that a lot of
shots and a lot of differentsequences with a lot of

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different compositions and stufflike that. So I have a lot of
favourite shots, per se, but Ithink the I think I'm hesitating
right here, because you told mewhat you asked me the most

(30:32):
memorable shot, correct? Yeah.So I think my most accomplished,
accomplished shot was thereindeer that you, you
mentioned. But to me, I mean,that's, that's a real
accomplishment, because it'squite hard to take wildlife. If

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you're sharp wildlife, on, youknow, in a night night
photography altogether,regardless of whether there's a
war or not, but it's very hardto take wildlife at night. But
to me, I think the mostmemorable shot today should be

(31:21):
I'm hesitating between two,actually, I think one is the
Phoenix. It's, it's a picturethat looks like a worthy war, it
looks like a phoenix rising fromthe mountains. And that one was
quite memorable, because thatwas one of those nights during
the debt of what we call solarminimum, which is the lowest of

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solar activity. And for theaudience, I remind the, I remind
the audience that the sun is thesource of the Aurora. So if you
have low solar activity, youdon't get a lot of auras. But at
high latitudes, you still get,you know, the shows, even if the
solar activity is, is low. Andso that night, I remember that

(32:06):
was a quite a warm night inNovember. Warm for me is about
zero to five degrees Celsius,for the season, of course, but I
think, for a lot of people, it'squite cold. And, you know, it
was supposed to be cloudy, itwas supposed to be it was

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supposed to be very lowactivity. And so I took my
chances anyway, and I think itit's memorable for me, because,
you know, it's like, all theelements are against you, you
know, you go all against theodds, and you beat the odds
going out in the field, youknow, showing your persistence.

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Going anyways, you know, youknow, you might not get
anything, you might waste money,you might waste resources, time,
you could have done somethingelse you could have, I could
have been more comfortable athome, you know, enjoying a meal.
And yet, I said, No, I want totake my chances. And so I did,
and I drove one hour to thefjords. And I hiked for about 30

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minutes, the the, the, it wasstill cloudy, and they'll still
be we're still super low interms of activity. And then all
of a sudden, everything clearedup magically. For some reason
that I would, I could never, youknow, I could never know, it,

(33:33):
everything just lined upperfectly. And that's when, you
know, the modal ofphotographers, you know, if
you're not outside, you're notgoing to get anything, right,
you need to be outside you needto be in the field to, to to get
the shots otherwise, you know,you would never have known and

(33:54):
that that that shot I think wasrepresented that very, very
well. And so everything clearedup. I set up my cameras and my
my time lapses and actuallythat's that was one of those
times where I actually set upthe activity was so low that I
shot at 20 sec next year, whichit's you know a bit about
photography, or nightphotography is the settings for

(34:17):
you know, nice nice settings forMilky Way. Milky Way shots.
And, yeah, that was one of thosenights where, you know, we
weren't supposed to be to get alot of Aurora so I set up the
milk for Milky Way. And again,when all of a sudden the Aurora
just came out out of nowhere andvery rapidly just brightened the

(34:41):
whole the whole landscape and Ihad to reduce from 20 seconds to
one second exposure to give youan idea of how bright that over
that overall was. And so Ipointed the camera towards
whether you were I was gettingsuper bright and was expanding
over the sky and So, of course,a split second, this, this, the

(35:05):
avora took the shape of a giantbird, or if I called it the
Phoenix afterwards, because itjust reminded me of, you know,
the rise of the Phoenix. Andthat I think that was the most
unique shape that I've evergotten in terms of Aurora. And
the whole story behind the shot,I think, is what makes it so

(35:28):
memorable. Of course, I've, I'vegot so many stories throughout
my career that shot was in 2018.So since then, you know, there
are a lot of shots and a lot ofstories. But I was at the very
start of my overall chasingcareer all at the start, but I
think, I guess in Norway, and soto me, that's something that,

(35:54):
you know, I'm always talkingabout is, is this story because
it just represents so well, youknow, the hardship that you have
to go through the also againstyourself, because you know, you
want to stay out inside, you'renice and comfy. And there is
this, this passion inside still,that tells you no, I'm going out

(36:17):
anyways, I want to see if I getsomething. And that's, you know,
when when you know that I thinkyou truly like something is that
you don't it doesn't matter whatwhat is what is outside of this
fashion. You just go for it. Soyeah, that's, that's I think
that's my most memorable shottoday.

That's cool. Yeah. I mean, that story
is so inspiring. You know, Ithink too many of us rely so
much on the weather forecasts.And I feel like I don't know, if
you agree I, you know, like, forthe audience who listen as well,
I don't know if you guys agree,and I'd like to actually get
your take on this. But I feellike the Instagram culture or

(37:01):
the social media culture, changethat mindset, you know, we
started photography, because weenjoy the journey going out
there capturing, you know, amoment that we may or may not
have, we may or may not going toexperience, right. But along the
way, this, this instantgratification, changed that

(37:24):
whole mindset. And it's nolonger about the journey, but
the adventure, it's about thephoto, right? Ah, I need to make
sure that the cloud is, youknow, burning, or I need to make
sure that the sky is clear thatthe Aurora is blowing up, and
you know, all this stuff just toget more likes. And I love

(37:45):
hearing that story, right?Because that's what photography
is all about, like, I don'tknow, anyone who started
photography, because they wantmore likes on Instagram, like,
you know, once people startedphotography, because they just
want to capture and enjoy themoment. But along the way, we

(38:06):
cannot forget that. And so yeah,like, thanks for sharing that
man. Like, I, I know thatfeeling when you go against all
the odds and the odds, justlike, you know, beat itself and
give you such an incredible whatthey call it. Like, reward right

(38:27):
to remember by and it's not onlyit's not even about the photo,
like you said, it's about thatfeeling of. So that's cool.

I think it's, it's the whole package really,
that comes with the photo. Andfunnily enough, I think you
mentioned you just mentioned,you know, some people might
start photography for because ofInstagram and to get more likes,
but I think they burn out quiteeasily and they get out of the
this interest. Because they thepurpose is quite shallow, you

(38:57):
know, they do it as repetitivework or you know, as a job. And,
you know, the minute it startsfeeling like a job, like you
have to go out to get contentand, and to shoot for someone
else. You don't shoot foryourself anymore. And I think
that's where the passiondisappears. And so, I think you
mentioned it, it's probably oneof the, the other pieces of

(39:21):
advice I could give theaudience's that. Try to avoid
feeling like you have to postthis photo you have to take this
photo to post on social media.Take it for yourself first and
keep it this way. Otherwise,yeah, the passion disappears and
you don't, you don't want to,you know, you don't feel like

(39:41):
you. You really want it comesfrom you, you know you there's
this external desire to gooutside and it's just not you.
So keep that for yourself first.And then that's actually where
the, the inspiration, you know,should come from because
obviously we as photographers,we Do we compare to each other?

(40:04):
Sorry, we compare ourselves toother photographers all the
time. But the less you do that,the more it the more self
oriented your photographyjourney is, I think the more
self inspired it becomes. And Ithink that's where you start
focusing on yourself first, andyou start getting outside of the

(40:26):
your comfort zone first. Andthen you start experimenting on
new stuff that, you know, youhaven't seen before, or stuff
that would seem completelyridiculous to others, but then
you try it, and then you postit. And I think a lot of people
recognise that in my work isthat I, yes, I, I have taken a

(40:48):
few shots, you know, of famousplaces, and monuments and stuff
like that even at night. But I'mmore interested in interested in
taking things that have neverbeen done before. In all the
like, whether it is a time lapseor single shot photography, I
like to experiment a lot,taking, you know, out of focus,

(41:13):
book a time lapse, which is veryrarely done. And funnily enough,
you know, a lot of theproduction companies love this
kind of time lapses. And Ithink, you know, they, they saw
the works first, and theycontacted me to work with them
because of this. So, and I thinkthat, but I want to expand to
take your time to expand a bitmore on that afterwards. Because

(41:35):
that was now I'm going towards apiece of advice I'm going to
give at the end. So let's notget into that just yet.

That's awesome. And thanks for
mentioning that because I knowexactly that feeling when you
feel like you have to go out andshoot and actually had a burn
out because of that. And that isalso the reason where this
podcast came from, you know,because I was like burning out
and I want to hear what otherpeople are going through. And

(42:02):
most of the time, you know, it'snot one year, it's not two year,
it's usually more than that.Plus more of you know, get to
where they are. So, you know,the overnight success that
people see in the Instagram isnever overnight, you know, they
put all their heart and workbehind it. Yeah, like that is an

(42:23):
awesome, awesome advice. And Ilove that, you know, you kind of
dive into that even deeper, tojust share that insight. And I
think that is really important.So I guess one of the thing that
I'm interested in, and I'm surethat the audience will be would
love to know as well is so usedto be, you know, in a science

(42:46):
kind of niche, and then your youhad your master degree and all
that stuff. You're a teacher,and suddenly, poof, you're a
photographer, right? How doesthat? How does that thinking
process as well as journey totransition over? Because you

(43:07):
know, that one of the biggestpreconception that most people
say is that artists, you know, astarving artist. Mindset, right?
So, so when you jump into theprofession, people are gonna
think you're crazy. You're anabsolutely, you know, crazy to,
to let go of your master'sdegree and all that stuff and

(43:27):
jump into this starvingindustry. But how does that
process go? And what makes ifthere? Is there any thing that
makes all the difference thathelps you to transition over?

It's funny, you mentioned starving artists,
because this is exactly where Iwas going. I think you you need
to. Or at least that was thecase for me. I I'm not sure if
you need to so it's not isn'tNo, you know, no advice, but you

(44:06):
need to make sacrifices, I thinkyou need to, to be willing to be
a starving artist for a while tostart the journey, especially if
you come from a background that,you know, I was a teacher, but I
was at the beginning of mycareer. And I wanted to get into
a PhD so I went to go further inmy studies as well. So you know,

(44:29):
it's like, you know, from oneday to the other, you stop
everything and you startsomething new and that's
something that is that is quitescary. I'm not gonna lie to you.
It's, you know, starting a newjourney without having any
mentor or any kind of supportfrom anyone. Although some

(44:51):
people didn't believe you know,and some people some some of
members of my family pushed meand said, Yeah, you're quite
talented. So you should probablydo You should probably pursue
it, you know, you don't have alot of support from anything
else, to be honest. It's justmaybe, you know, you're lucky

(45:13):
enough to have a grant you tosearch for grants. But
basically, for me, I already ownsome cameras, which I was able
to acquire during that, orthanks to the salary from my
teaching position there inDenmark. But I realised, you
know, if you are to start with aphotography company, you need to

(45:35):
buy everything from scratch, andyou don't have any sort of
support. And photography isexpensive, as you know. And
there's always this lens thatyou want, and is always this
other piece of gear that youneed. So that as quickly, too,
you know, a lot of a lot ofresources and time and money. So

(45:57):
it's, it's difficult, and youneed to be willing to make the
sacrifice, you know, for aperiod of your time, dedicate
yourself 100% at the expense ofothers, and at the expense of
maybe love life and social lifeand stuff like that. I think
that's a sacrifice that you needto be willing to make, at least

(46:17):
nowadays, if you don't havealready a name. And if you if
you're really serious aboutthis, this job, and you can see
a few other stories in in, atleast in the night, night, Sky
photography, industry, you know,like ALAN WALLACE, or even even
yourself, I mean, you said youwere burning out, but I'm sure

(46:40):
you've made a lot of sacrifices,when I see those pictures behind
you here with the Milky Way. Iknow those are could be faraway
locations, or I see also like asummit picture here. You need to
be willing to also physically,you know, put yourself through
danger and have like naturalhazard to be able to take those

(47:03):
unique shots and make a name ofyourself in this oversaturated
industry, let's, let's say theway it is, it's oversaturated.
But it's not impossible. Andthat's another piece of advice,
you know, that I have for theaudience's that it might seem
completely useless to stop now.Now that even you know, social

(47:25):
media is getting crazy. YourInstagram is not working
anymore. So, you know, it'slike, oh my gosh, it's useless
to start now. No, it's not. Andif it brings something for you
other than making money, thendefinitely do it. Because for
me, that brings photography niceguy brings joy for me being

(47:46):
alone with the elements whenthere's no sun outside, no
winds, you know, you have theperfect pristine sky with I
don't know, I would imagine anice lake or a nice, you know,
still see where you get thereflection of the moon or the
refraction of stars. Oh, mygoodness, there's no feeling
beating that. I think

that is a great advice. And you know,
like, I know that feeling 100%that just that really serene,
pristine, you know, like,tranquil sort of feeling they
just, ah, you know, like, itfeels like nothing else matter,
right? It's just like, you're inthe moment. You're so in the
moment that nothing elsematters. Yeah, that's, that's

(48:30):
awesome. So. So how, what aresome of the things that you did
in terms of earning money? Andthat you can? I suppose let me
rephrase that. So how did you,you know, how did you earn from
your photography? And how wouldyou have done it differently? If

(48:52):
an audience come to you and say,Hey, I'm thinking about, you
know, doing this full timebecause I love it. I love the
fulfilment, but I just don'tknow where you, you know where
to start? What sort of directionor advice would you give them?

So, I think having, you know, a sum that is
dedicated, like, it's like asaving sum of money that is
somewhere on an account. Andthat, of course, you don't touch
for, I mean, you buy your gear,but you don't touch for anything
else, then just like in case ofemergency kind of package. That

(49:32):
is advisable, because there'sgoing to be a period where
you're going to, you're going toand I think that's the same for
a lot of deputing artists.There's a period of time at the
beginning where you're going toput in way more efforts than
you're going to get any returnon investment, if that makes

(49:54):
sense. So you're going to investyourself much more than you're
going to earn. And that thatperiod of Time is frustrating
because you don't see theproduct of your hard labour,
right, you don't see the returnon investment. And that's
frustrating for a lot of people.And that might cause some people
to stop at that stage. Butthat's exactly when, you know,

(50:18):
everything looks, looks bleak.And like doom and gloom. That's
exactly where you shouldactually double your efforts.
Because you never know, what is,you know, in around the corner,
I would say, that's exactly whenI can actually share a little

(50:38):
bit of how I ended up in Norway.So I started photography in
2016. Professionally, so I quitmy job in Denmark, I had a bit
of money on the side. And Iwanted to sell prints first,
because that's what everyonedid. So I set up a Wix website,
and I started making, you know,a little bit of money, really

(51:04):
not much at all, not enough tolive anyways. So I went back to
France, I no shame in saying, Iwent back to my parents, and
we've had my parents for about ayear to help me, you know, in
this journey, because rent wasquite expensive. And, you know,

(51:24):
I was I did, you know, some somejob on the side as well, I, I
was doing substituting teachingin at my dad's school, and, you
know, during the night, I wouldgo out. So it's like, this
double life that you need tolead as well, you know, it's not
like you're gonna earn, unlessyou're very smart, and, and

(51:47):
smart enough, but I'm not thatsmart. So I didn't figure out a
way to earn money completelyfrom photography at first. And
so I needed this side, incomesource or stream to help me
survive the first years. And soafter a year, I was like, you
know, I was just about to giveup, you know, it's like, Oh, I'm

(52:09):
not seeing the return oninvestment. It's not worth my
time, even though I love it. But
so, I took this one last trip, Itold myself, Okay, after a year,
I don't make enough money, thenI just continue my, my, into a
PhD, right, or it was myteaching job. So I taking one

(52:33):
last trip to Scandinavia to seethe Orion maybe, hopefully to
take some pictures, and somepeople will like it. I don't
know. I didn't know what I wasthinking. So went to a disco in
Sweden, starting startedshooting, shooting the Aurora.
And that was a few days beforethe end of everything,
basically, because after thattrip, remember, I was gonna stop

(52:53):
everything. And I was about togive up. And I received this
email from Oh, sorry, thismessage on Facebook from the,
the director of what is now theAurora Borealis Observatory in,
in Sydney island in Norway. Andthey said, Well, he said, I love
your job, your your work I'vebeen I've been watching your

(53:15):
work for a while now. It's Ithink the quality is, it's
awesome. You know, what, whatwould you how would you like to
come and visit. So I did visit Idid an extension of my trip did
visit the observatory withoutany sort of saw, like second
thoughts or without knowing whatwhat they wanted. And so I
visited the observatory, andlong story short, he offered me

(53:38):
a job, then, you know, based outof Norway, and perfect location
for the war, I could do, I wouldearn money on the side enough to
survive. And I could dophotography as well on my start
time. And to me, that was theperfect, perfect opportunity.
And that's how I got started, Istarted making content. And from

(54:02):
them, I was able to be visibleon social media. And you know,
that's the snowball effectafterwards, you know, you post
and post and post and you startgetting noticed. And then boom,
you get, you know,collaborations, contracts and
stuff like that. That's how yourphotography journey is. So if I
have one piece of advice is whenyou think, you know, you're

(54:24):
gonna, when you feel like youneed to give up because you
don't see any results. That'sexactly when you should double
down on your efforts. Because,you know, at least that that
happened to me, but I know thathappened to a lot of other
people. That's exactly when, youknow, for some reason, that's
exactly when good things happen.So don't give up. And yes,

(54:49):
you're the start of the journeyis hard and full of hurdles and
challenges. But you know, mostmost most people make it and if
they presets and enough theymake it for sure.

That's awesome that I think that is a
really cool thing. Real cooladvice there. Because, you know,
cuz you mentioned a couple ofthings right first, you know,
like, you need to put on thesacrifice and to make it in this
turfing industry. But actually,we need to make that sacrifice
on all of that, right? Itdoesn't matter what Startup you

(55:24):
try what company you want tobuild, it's actually the same
thing. So I think there is nodifferent that. And the second
thing is, you know, like, it'ssaturated. Yes, it is saturated,
but only saturated for peoplewho doesn't want to go the extra
mile. And I think you know,like, when you when you talk
about you have to make sacrificeand making those you know,

(55:46):
wonderful kind of content. Andjust keep putting yourself out
there until one day, you know,somebody notice it all or you
know, have that saving, and justkeep going keep going and double
down on the times that you feellike you want to give up. I
think that is a really goodadvice, because that's exactly

(56:07):
why this. That's exactly how youmake it in this saturated
industry when you're willing togo the extra miles. And keep
going when everyone else quit.So that's, that's a really good
advice, Adrian, thanks forsharing that. Now. I know we're
kind of going over time here alittle bit. It's been really
nice talking to you. And beforewe can I close this down. Since

(56:32):
you know, I'd love you, I loveto get you to share how can
people forecast the Aurora? Whenwhen they visit North or South?
Like, you know, and don't worryabout the crazy science behind
it just like some of a fewpractical things that they can

(56:54):
do to increase their chanceseeing that or because unlike
most people, what most peoplethink it's, it's always there,
there is no season for it. Yes,there are some times of the year
that are better to say it. Butat the same time, it's like a
rain right? It really rely a loton the forecast. So based on

(57:16):
your experience, what are someof the practical steps that you
can suggest to our audience tobetter or to get their chance to
see the aurora?

Yeah, so that's, that's the $100 question, isn't
it? Like when? When are wegetting Aurora? Yeah, so without
getting into too much, or toomany details. So to increase
your chances to see the aurora,I would say, you know, you
mentioned that's exactly likerain, you know, the Aurora here
happens all the time. But therain, it doesn't rain all the

(57:53):
time, right, you have periods ofsun and periods of clouds, and
rain. So it happenssporadically, but it does happen
all the time, so veryfrequently. To maximise your
chances to see the aurora, youneed to make sure, I think

(58:13):
that's the first piece of adviceI would give to people is make
sure you call me and I know it'sit's expensive, you know, a lot
of the locations up north areexpensive, because it's so far
away from everything. If youhave the resources, try to go as
long as possible. So for as manydays as possible, because
sometimes just one day makes thedifference between not seeing

(58:35):
anything, for example, like athree, three day stay, you know,
you could be clouded out forthree days, and you wouldn't see
anything, regardless of thelocation, right? It does happen,
those long periods of completelycloudy skies in the north, that
happens all the time. Butimagine if you booked an extra

(58:56):
day and the last on the lastday, it clears up and you get
even if you get you don't getthe best overall ratio in the
world, you get to see theaurora. So I always tend to stay
book, you know, one to threeextra days, if you can allow it
money wise and time wise. Thatdefinitely helps. Because as you

(59:18):
know that the we're gettingbetter at terrestrial weather
forecasting, right. I mean,we've we had hundreds of, of
years of records and we need ourmodels are starting to be
really, really accurate. Whetherwe complain or not, you know,
because they're some of them maynot be accurate, but space

(59:40):
weather and Aurora. It's such anew science that our models and
our forecasts are actually intheir infancy as opposed to
terrestrial weather. And wedon't have that very precise
instruments or those veryprecise instruments that can
allow us to predict withcertitude you know, I Uh, in an

(01:00:01):
hour range or within minuteswhen the award is going to
happen. So I couldn't tell you,per se, you know, if there was
going to happen in one minute inan hour, but there are a few
things that you could look at,to sort of maximise your chance
to see the aurora. And that isto follow the, the first thought

(01:00:22):
follow the people that thescientists in the fields, they
believe it or not, they are onsocial media. And they can, they
can actually give you greatadvice. And they, they, some of
them, produce forecasts. Butotherwise, honestly, there are a

(01:00:44):
few websites or resources thatyou can, you can look at. And
that is the NOAA Space WeatherPrediction centre. website. And
there is another one spaceweather live, I think those two.
So NOAA, and oh, a Space WeatherPrediction centre. And then

(01:01:06):
space weather live.com are thetwo main resources that I would
think, you know, predict prettymuch everything from the Sun to
the Aurora on Earth. So theyhave, let's say they have I
wouldn't say foot, but theyhave, you know, they predict all

(01:01:28):
those steps that come inbetween. So and they're quite
clear as well. So yeah, thoseare the two, I think the two
advice that I can give to peopleto maximise their chances. Also,
make sure you you get to alocation that is dark enough. So

(01:01:50):
not within a city or if you'rewithin a city, you need to be
able to have guided tours thatgo outside of the city or to
rent a car. And then you know, abit of Moon is is okay with your
work, especially if it'soverhead that it's not that much
of a problem.
But it's it comes down to yourpreference, a lot of mood so

(01:02:13):
full moon will hinder or maskout the faint of Aurora, whilst
the bright Aurora, it doesn'tmatter with the moon, it just,
you know, you can you can seeanyways, but some people prefer
no mood. So if you don't wantany moon to hinder your view,
then try to look at the mooncalendar and to try to look at

(01:02:33):
the facts. Also, don't only lookat the moon calendar, because
here the moon, believe it ornot, behaves very differently as
it does at the equator. Even itsays the moon is I don't know,
like 50% for the moon might noteven show up the whole night.
And that's just what happens inthe north because of the course

(01:02:54):
of objects in the sky. So checksome apps for the course of the
moon if you want or the theweather as well. But make sure
the lack of advice is make sureyou've had a time where your
location is dark enough. By darkenough means I mean, at least

(01:03:15):
nautical twilight. So nauticaltwilight is the part of the
Twilight, where you start seeingthe few the first Aurora the
first strong a walrus. That'swhere you start making out the
start. And of course darker thanthat is okay. That's what they
find the quote unquote Auroraseason at your location, which

(01:03:36):
is which differs from locationto another. So yeah, that's,

Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt (01:03:42):
that's that's a really good tip. Yeah,
I guess I'll clarify a bit likewhen Adrian was saying nautical
twilight is what he meant isthat light after the blue hour,
I think so after a sunset, youknow, the sunset, it goes to
blue hour and then some otherlight and then go to another two

(01:04:03):
nautical twilight, and then itgo fully dark. So that happened
before sunrise and after sunset.So that's what he meant. And I
think, you know, a lot of peoplealso need to appreciate in a
place like Norway, for example,in some, some time of the year,

(01:04:23):
you don't get any nighttime atall, isn't it? You don't even
get any Twilight or blue hour,isn't it?

Adrien Mauduit (01:04:31):
Nope. So we we do get because of the we're so
high in in the latitude thatwe're subject to the tilt of the
earth much more than at theequator. And we can see this
change quite dramatically as youpointed out with the course of
objects in the sky throughoutthe seasons, and especially the

(01:04:52):
sun's because for two months ofthe year in the summer at the
heart of the summer, the workoriented towards The sun all the
time, right that we were tiltingtowards the sun all the time. So
we get the midnight sun and weobviously so that means we get
the sun at midnight, althoughit's low on the horizon, but
it's still, you know, it's quiteweird. Start at midnight.

Say it never actually sets.

Nope, it never set. So it just it grazes gently
the horizon, the northernhorizon at midnight, and then it
goes up again, at one two in themorning. And it goes up, it
never sets, but it goes up inthe sky again. So it gets
brighter. That's so you get?Yeah, so you get different

(01:05:41):
lights, you get to see thelandscape hit by the lights
from, from an angle where youcould never see at other
locations. You know, it's likein Valley, for example, your
favourite location, yourfavourite COVID, as you say,
behind you, yeah, it looks likea nice Cove by the beach, let's
say, you know, it's quite stablein Valley because throughout the

(01:06:01):
year, the sun, the sun does thecourse or the sun doesn't change
that much in the sky. Try toimagine the sun. Most of the
year, it doesn't hit that Cove.But then in the winter for
somebody else, or in the summer,for some reason, at midnight,
boom, you get the golden lightfrom the sun. From there hitting
the cove. It's like you'regetting for landscape

(01:06:24):
photography is just perfect,because you get to see things
that you could never seeotherwise. So it's

Yeah, you get we get forever golden
hour. How awesome is that?Right. It's cool. All right.
Well, that's that's a reallygood advice. You know, I love
that the two resources that youtalk about? And I'll be sure to
put it on the link as well.Yeah, they believe it or not,
there are a lot of apps in theApple Store. But don't trust

(01:06:54):
them.

Yeah, no, I, I think the app are quite
misleading because they give youthe raw data without I mean,
some of them do explain what theraw data I mean, but they have
it, a lot of the apps have itwrong, because they dumb it down
so much, that they start makingmistakes in their own
explanation. And that's just nothow the Aurora happens. It's

(01:07:18):
very complicated. So, you know,you can you can download the app
store free, most of them arefree anyways. But don't really
go with the app. And trust thepeople that are in the field,
when you come to a locationbecause they know the overall
better. And they know how itbehaves, which is probably not
what the app says, say at thetime anyway, so

yeah. 100% and I think you know, what
Adrian? Say was because likewhen I first started, I used to
look at the app and go likewhoa, KP seven I'd be like
heading out, it's like, this isnot KP said the thing that the
app or most people don'tunderstand is there's so many
different small factor thataffect that. So even at the

(01:08:03):
lower KP you have a beat youhave is to have chance to sit
and you know, at a higher KP youmight not see that at all. So
and that's why Adrienne say Gofollow the scientists because
they will actually put all ofthis data in context so that you
can make a better judgement. Butyeah, thanks thanks for sharing

(01:08:24):
that. And you know, if you havemaybe like a couple of
scientists that you recommend tofollow do let me know and I'll
put it on the link so that theaudience can jump in and follow
them as well. But also at thesame time follow Adrian because
when like really guys just gothrough his his Instagram and I

(01:08:47):
mean you're blown away but findthe one with the reindeer it is
my favourite shot actually thereis there three shots that are
really love from your shot. Theone that like like crazy love it
is the reindeer. The second oneis the Milky Way and the Aurora
one like left to right. And theother one was the clouds at the
crazy rainbow on the clouds.That's just insane. Like, I was

(01:09:11):
like, damn, I want to see that.One day One day. Yeah, those

are the things you want. Yeah, when there you
will see.

All right, well, Adrian, thank you
very much for sparing your timeteaching us auroras as well as
sure sharing your journey andgiving the audience practical
advice that they can do toeither you know, chase their
passion or even just see theauroras now for those of the
people who want to, you know,find out more about your work or

(01:09:42):
work with you or even just oneappreciate your work even more,
what is the best way for them tofind find find you.

So I do have a mandatory website where we all
we all have website as dovers Soit's three W that night lights,
films. So lights and films areplural.com. But, you know,

(01:10:13):
nowadays it's more I mean, wecan find people more on social
media. So I'm all on all majorplatforms. I'm also on YouTube.
And I used to be on Vimeo, but Ijust deleted Vimeo. But I do I
do, I do video as well. So a loton, you know, Facebook watch or

(01:10:37):
YouTube as well. But I'm onTwitter, YouTube, I've always
under the same name, NightLights, films or night lights.
And, but if you type my name,you would also find me on
Google, I'm sure that that'swhat comes first. That's so
that's where people usually findme and they contact me any

(01:10:58):
place, whether it's on Facebookor Instagram, we're, you know,
via email or something likethat. quite responsive. So

fantastic. Yeah. He's, he's a great
photographer and a great humanbeing. So do follow him, get in
touch with him. And I only saythat, because you know, you've
been with us for about an hour,but you know, I'm just kidding.
No, he is. Awesome human being.But yeah, thank you very much,

(01:11:30):
Adrian for being here, sharingall that knowledge. And with
that being said, well, we can'thunters, hopefully you find a
lot of value and enjoy thattalk. Make sure you go to Adrian
page, I guarantee that you willbe blown away. So you know, if
there is anything you get fromthis, you know, go and follow

(01:11:51):
Him. And yeah, it'll make yourlife better, I can guarantee you
Well, with that being say, letus know in the comment below.
Give us a little bit review ofwhether or not you know what you
think and what are some of thethings that you want to hear in
the future if you have if youhave any artists that you want
to hear their journey orwhatnot. But thank you for being

(01:12:13):
here. Thank you for tuning in.And I'll see you guys next week.

Thank you for having me.

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