Ep 52 - How Tomasz started Frames Magazine & community during the pandemic by focusing on his vision and taking it one step at a time - The Art of Photography

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Trade started parallel with

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COVID. Now, when it comes to
steps, you know, I had the
vision and I made the decision
myself is it's just gonna
happen. So step by step learning
what was there to be to be
learned and overcoming any kind
of obstacle which was there, you
know, like looking for printers
day by day, step by step, I was

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following my plan. And the only
thing which was kept me going
was my very clear vision.
Here, we get hunters Welcome
back to The Art of Photography
podcast, where we share artist
journey and share how

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photography has given us hope,
purpose and happiness. And
today, we have a special guest
from someone who not only
passionate about photography,
but he built a platform where
photographers can share their
photography with more people out
there. And you know, as artists,
that's how much we love to share

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our photography. So I'd like to
welcome Tomash from frames
magazine, and he built this
community as well as you know,
the publication. And it is one
of the reason why I want to
bring him here. So too much how
are you? You know, thank you for
coming into the podcast. I'm so
excited to talk with you.

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Yeah, thank you so much,
Stanley. I'm excited myself.
Thank you so much for inviting
me over and yeah, very happy to,
you know, to talk about whatever
your listeners would like would
like to know, you know about the
story about about the magazine,
so on. And Greetings, everyone
from snowy, snowy Switzerland.
That's where I'm based. It's

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finally getting cold over here.
And also the the real winter is
taking over. Yeah, getting ready
for Christmas.
sounds incredible. You know,
most people I'm here in Bali,
and I used to live in Canadian
Rockies for two and a half
years. And most people think
Bali is paradise, but I'm
missing the winter so much.

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Especially if you're living
close to the Rockies. Yeah, it's
like a similar surroundings in a
way, you know, to to some parts
of Switzerland or the other way
around to Switzerland is similar
to some parts of Canada. So
yeah, 100 Definitely. Yeah, I
would prefer to be sitting in
valley right now to be honest.

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Well, you know, it's really
cool. Like, I come across frames
magazine from my mentee,
actually, he, he introduced me,
it's like, Oh, you gotta check
out this Facebook group and the
publication. So I got into
there. And now it's just, I was
just blown away by what you are
doing in the, for the community.
So before we get to all that,

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right, we're going to talk a lot
about, you know, what, what
you're doing, what your vision,
what you're planning and so
forth. But before we got all
that, you know, tell us a little
bit about yourself, and what
attracted you to photography and
what keep you from, you know,
keep doing this? Because we all
know, photography is not the

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easiest profession to earn from.
Yeah, well, so I don't even know
where to start, right. Like,
every time somebody asked me
about, tell us, tell us a little
bit about yourself. You know,
the problem is, the years are
passing. I'm getting older. So
this little bit is getting
bigger. But yeah, okay, let me
let me try to put it in a
nutshell, you know, I am a

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educated musician, classical,
classical pianist, you know, so
that's what I started. That's
what I learned. And that's what
I still do. up to these days
today. You know, I'm still
working part time at the local
college of music here in
Lucerne, Switzerland. So I was
into, you can say, into arts,
you know, forever. I mean, I was

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into into music. My father was
introducing me to, you know,
paintings photography as well,
you know, so the kind of art in
general was was over, always
around. But it wasn't until I
was I was 25 I will say, when I
really discovered photography,

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you know, I was busy practising
the piano, this takes a lot of
your time, you know, but, in in
the year 2000, something special
happened. I I got the chance to
travel to Antarctica, as a
musician, as a classical
pianist. You know, I went on a
on a cruise on a two weeks
cruise and I was supposed to

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play you know, for the guests,
make some music. And that was
when I for the very first time
in my life, you know, both had
both a camera photographic
camera and my own camera,
because I thought you know,
going to Antarctica it's a good
enough reason to have a camera
with yourself right? So that's,
that's when I bought my very,

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very first camera and In the
beginning, you know, I went on
the trip, I came back started
learning about everything.
What's involved, you know,
digital, this was a digital
cameras, camera, right? So I
learned some analogue
photography before from my
father, he was he was into it,
but my very own camera was

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digital. And if I remember
correctly, I think it was three
megapixels camera or something
like this was Canon PowerShot G
two, I remember, remember
exactly what it was. But anyway,
I was hooked. You know, I came
back, I immediately got excited
about capturing what I see in
front of me on, on images on on,

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you know, on photographs. Yeah,
rest is history, you know, and I
keep going to today, I somehow
have this passion have this bag
in me that I love to translate
to capture to interpret what I
see in front of me in a
photographic way. You know, it's
just, it excites me to these

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days. So, so far not able to
stop I am not planning of
stopping anytime soon.
Yeah, wow, that's, that's an
inspiring story. And, you know,
I always enjoy hearing where
they first come across
photography, and a lot of time,
it's about the landscape, the

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travel or capturing a moment in
itself. Now, I can know that
you're a musician. Wow. That's
just incredible. I know, I
always wanted to learn piano,
but I find it too difficult. I
don't have the finger
coordination. So I, uh, wow. I
didn't admire that very much.
Yeah, and you know, and just to

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add to this, maybe where I draw
this inspiration still to these
days, it's very often for me
about this. This interaction
between music and photography,
you know, being out there
photographing, I don't listen to
music on my headphones, you

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know, like, when I photograph
some people do to get into the
zone, right? But, but I very
often sing about tunes, or, you
know, remember in a specific
pieces, you know, of music in my
mind when photographing, and it
kind of it kind of, you know,
inspires me in the moment, or,
like, changes the mood of how I

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see things. And also the
opposite. When I play piano, I
very often think about music and
kind of sink in, in a way of,
you know, images, colours, you
know, see particular scenes,
right. So it's kind of as what's
the word symbiotic, you know,
kind of experience, I mean,

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music, photography, it's, they
fuel each other, in my case, and
I'm really enjoying this
process.
That's really interesting. I
know, I've come across, you
know, how music can change. And
this was in, in an example of
post processing, how to edit how
to, you know, approach your

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photography, once you have it
there. And a friend of mine kind
of introduced it as like, man,
you should try to listen to
different music and see how you
feel about your photos. While
you listen to that. So I'm
actually quite intrigued about
this, right? Since you're,
you're an actual professional
musician, as well as
photographer, how, when you when

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you go out there, and like you
say, right, you go out there you
you see a scene that you want to
photograph? How do you pick the
music to connect you to that
scene? And you know, once you
pick that, do you ever change
kind of the music to get a
different perspective of the
same scene?
Yeah, so in my case, just like I

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mentioned before, it's a bit
different. So I don't actually
listen to music. When I
photograph I don't I don't, you
know, have any kind of
headphones or I don't choose
tracks. It's rather in my case,
it's it's rather some engineer.
It's kind of but it's, I imagine
it, then it's a very natural
process. I don't like three
plan. You know, I will be
thinking about Mozart, you know,

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whether it's something that
happens in a in a in the moment.
It's a very, what's the word?
It's like a mutual influence
kind of mechanism. On this
moment, ah, yeah,
it can also happen that I, you
know, let's say I come to you
or, you know, I go into, I don't

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know, Indonesian mountains.
Right. And, and the scene
itself, provokes, or like, you
know, resonates in a special way
with a certain, you know,
something comes to mind. And in
my case very often connects to a
specific genre or even specific

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piece of music, you know, and
then I kind of keep going down
this rabbit hole. Right, and
kind of very special artistic
effects are like, you know,
impressions a very special
reaction start occurring. And
it's like a spiral. Kind of
Yeah, I mean, you know, when I
say play the music, I'm not

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saying in a literal sense, but
you know, in your head can
opinion imagining, yeah, that's
yeah, that's, that's really cool
that you do that and, you know,
it's something that I, I'd like
to explore as well to get that
creativity going. So tell us a
little bit about your
photography, what is what is
your photography and what you're

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trying to achieve, like, what
you photograph and what you are
trying to achieve when you are
taking those photos. So
I, you know, it's kind of
difficult even to myself to
always to put the finger or like
to define and I know, it's, you
know, applies to many
photographers, like, for, for a

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long time I was, quote unquote,
like, we do very often searching
right for my own style for my
own. Today, I don't define it
anymore as searching, even
though I'm still I'm, I'm
reacting to too many different
things. And it's mainly I think,
in a visual way, in a, you know,
I'm reacting to shapes to lines

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to shadows to, and it does not
matter so much. In my case, if
it's a landscape in front of me,
or if it's a piece of furniture,
or if it's a human being or an
animal, you know, it's kind of a
you know, in any given sin. So
my photography, predominantly,
when I find time to do it, these
days, I'm also getting

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frustrated, you know, these
these days with, with so many
tasks, and I'm really trying
hard to plan my photography
time, by my own photographic
time. But when I, when I go for
it, you know, I, I am this kind
of photographer, I go out in
there, I go out there and I and
I started observing, I started
observing the surroundings

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wherever I happen to be right.
And I'm kind of looking for, for
those special people know
juxtapositions of lines of
light. So in the meantime,
create the images I create, and
I can share some with your
viewers at some point, if it's
possible, you know, are kind of
abstract, I like black and white

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a lot. So the kind of abstract,
but they're not really abstract,
because this is a representation
of the real world in front of
me. But it's very often, you
know, small fragments of
buildings, it's not the entire
scenes, it's not the entire
landscape scene is a, it's a
very tight crop, or is a very
tight, you know, part of the
scene or is a very, it's a, it

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was a corner of a building with
some cracks in the wall, you
know, and this creates this new
life by itself in itself, you
know, this new kind of being,
which I am fascinated by, so,
you would have to look at a few
images, it's difficult to
define, but I am basically in
some way. Yeah, fascinated by

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any kind of visual creations,
you know, being the nature
creations or human being
creations, and I'm documenting
those little details.
Yeah, so I actually, you know,
the reason why I asked that
question is because I saw some
of your photograph. And the way
you frame your photograph is
just incredible, right? I think

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there was one photo where it was
it was, it was a glasses or
something like that. And then
you play with the shadow and the
highlights. And it turns out,
totally different than you know,
the way you sit. So it's
incredible how you observe, and
you look at what is in front of
you, and you create something

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that is totally different, you
know, out of it. Now, one thing
that I'm interested, you know,
like you say you'd like to do
landscape, you'd like to also do
a lot of this abstract, as well
as intimate photograph of
wherever you go, you know,
whether it's a glasses that you
wear, or the buildings around

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your city or the nature. So how
does the, you know, share with
us the feeling that you get when
you capturing those different
moments? Is that does that spark
the same type of emotion? Or is
it different and give you a
different satisfaction
altogether?

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This Excellent question. I mean,
I have never been asked this
question, but it's really
excellent, because I just love
you know, thinking about these
kinds of things and talking
about it. But it will not be the
easy answer, of course, because
it's so personal. And so, you
know, it's happening on such an
intuitive level. But I love this
challenge of trying to put those

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things into words. So thanks for
letting me Yeah. Yeah,
I really do enjoy asking a
really hard, you know,
thoughtful question. I love to
make up So I
absolutely love it. You know,
that's, that's what it's all
about, you know, when, when you
really get into photography,
right? I think you asked about

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the emotions Yeah, or emotion
I'm experiencing. On one level,
this is definitely some kind of
a similar emotion, you know,
when I'm in the landscape or if
I'm on a, in a parking lot, you
know, and looking at some lines
on the, on the floor and cracks,
it's on some level, it's a
similar thing I am. And I can

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basically getting goosebumps,
you know, it happens is like,
you know, where I, where a
certain set of elements in front
of me, starting or falling into
place for me, you know, for for
what I am kind of reacting to,
and those elements, those lines

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start, start creating this,
this, this new form, or this
new, you know, kind of scene or
so, it can be, you know, a range
of mountains with sun rays, and,
you know, shadows of trees, but
it can be also a couple of
stones in the parking lot, you
know, on a on a white line, you
know, whatever it might be my

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emotional, this great question,
how would I, I think I would
just, I mean, the simplest
words, I would, I would describe
my emotion as excitement.
Because, you know, he's getting
goosebumps is like, I think his
fascination is purely a
fascination I get about the
surrounding world, you know, and
on a deepest, deepest level, I

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think it's some kind of
thankfulness for that I am able
to experience this kind of
fascination. You know, so many
people work, we know it, so many
people walk their, their
streets, you know, the, you
know, the cross the same, you
know, cross, you know, crossing

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the look at the same buildings
every single day. And they just
ignore them, because, but I keep
looking, I can be walking, you
know, I spend most of my time at
home, of course, and walking the
same streets every day. I always
keep looking, I always keep
discovering different stuff.
Because I look so close, I've
tried to look, I'm not even
trying, it's just happening.

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This is who I am, right? So it's
difficult to explain. And then
when I noticed this thing, this
one thing and you know, when I
just have to grab my camera and
start experimenting, and you
know, working, so people are
looking at me, it happens, is it
some kind of a weirdo, you know,
because I always my camera down
on my knees or whatever it might
be, you know, looking for, for

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those elements. So I think it's
this combination of fascination
with those visual elements, but
also kind of like a, what's the
word great gratefulness for, for
being this way for being able to
notice those things? So it's
quite a big pointer. It's quite
a deep emotion. I mean, it's
quite a Yeah, to be honest, it's

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quite quite a big part of my
life.
I can totally resonate with
that. You know, like when you
find something that really
intrigued you, and it really not
only make you grateful, being
able to enjoy that moment, but
also energise you, and I think
that's that's what passion is,

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right? And that's why we love
doing this, because it energises
and makes us excited, like you
say so. Now,
you also you also use, like,
excellent where I was missing
these words energising me. Yeah,
absolutely the same. It's yeah,
when this moment happens in the
morning, let's say my whole
days, like, on fire, I'm
energised is perfect. But you

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also described it in a perfect
way here. Exactly.
And that's, that's really cool.
I mean, you know, I think a lot
of us feel very similar emotion.
Now, one thing, you know, I'd
love to go into some of your,
what you've done with the
community. But we're just one
more question before we get into
that, that really fascinates

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this, about your approach is
that so Okay, as a landscape
photographer, for example, like
you know, I travel I do
landscape and adventure and
it's, it's a lot easier to get
drawn or to see the things that
you know, attract your eyes,

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right, because it just there it
jumps on it. There is an aurora
boom, it's you know, attracts
your eyes, there is an ice cave,
there is a mountain it's right
there right. Now, what you do in
some of your photography is
totally different though. Right?
It's, it's something that is,
I'd like to say the grandest

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thing in the grandest detail in
the bigger scheme. So in the big
big world, everywhere,
everything where most people are
looking for that big thing. You
look for the small detail that
actually is very intriguing,
very powerful that can create an
evoke emotion like what you do.

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Right? So what? What intrigues
you about those smaller detail?
Like, you know, what intrigued
you about the shape what
intrigued you about the cracks,
like what attracted you, like,
you know, what attracted you to
the smaller details, like it
attracted us to the mountains or

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the stars and so forth?
Well, so, yeah, very
interesting, because but, you
know, it's the discovery kind of
thing, because, let me give you
an example, if I have never been
to Indonesia, right. So if I
think about going there visiting
you, and you know, you may be
showing me some amazing places,

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I can already feel excitement,
because I haven't seen it yet.
It will be new to my eyes, it
will be new to my senses to
everything, right. So
automatically, I will be also
photographically triggered, I
mean, this is I would love to
capture it, you know, in the way
I am experiencing this place,
right. But I think what I

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learned, and when I say learned,
part of his part of it is, of
course, in some way planted in
ourselves, you know, we, we have
this dose, we have this
interest, we have this passion
somewhere there, it's I think
it's in each of us somewhere
there, but it doesn't serve us
every single time. So, you have

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to kind of practice it, you have
to once you realise this moment,
you have to you know, so you
asked about those little
details, for example. Why should
a little detail a crack in a
straight, you know, creating
some kind of shapes creating
some kind of pattern, whatever,
which I have never seen before?

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Why should it excite me less
than a, you know, line of, of a
range of mountain range, which I
have never seen before. It's
just, it's just a different
element. It's a big, big
landscape scene. But this is a
small thing here somewhere
hidden, you know, at the corner

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of my street. But by itself,
it's a visual representative,
it's a visual. It's a visual, I
don't I'm looking for a word,
you know, it's a visual. I mean,
it's an image, it's a sin,
which, which is out there in
front of me. For me, it becomes

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almost equally exciting. Because
I have never seen it before.
Wow, look at this crack, look at
those lines, what's this, and
look at those mountings. So for
me, it kind of the line got
blurred, I can't differentiate
anymore, I don't have to I'm and
I'm happy, I don't have to
because I get excited about this

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few stones on the street. And I
get excited about the mountain
range in Indonesia, which I
haven't ever seen before. So I
think it's, it's working in a
similar way. You know, what I
also want to add is very often
when, you know, pointing a
camera at something, or
photographing something in
particular, you know, being
again, this mountain range, or

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some kind of object in front of
me, and I probably, many of us
have the same feeling it's, of
course, we pointed the camera in
a certain direction at a certain
element. But I feel like what's
coming into this final
photograph is also everything
else, which we are experiencing,
you know, with our body with our
senses, smells, you know, touch,

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wind, whatever it might be. So
it's all around me, which
inspires me and tries to I'm
trying to convey this feeling,
you know, which is living inside
of me, you know, based on all of
those elements and essences, I'm
trying to convey in this, you
know, four by three kinds of

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frame, which I am, which I'm
composing. Yeah, I could go
forever and always, but you can
sense it's kind of, it's a big
kind of experience. It's a very
complex experience. But I can
have it exactly in a grand,
amazing scene, you know, of one
of the, you know, most exciting
landscapes in the world or
whatever. But I can have it also

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in my bathroom, right. Yeah,
that's, yeah,
that's incredible. And I think,
you know, a lot of photography
personalities anyway, because of
the social media doesn't
appreciate that smaller detail
doesn't appreciate that point of
discovering something new, you
know, and I know like a lot of,

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for example, like a lot of
people, a lot of people that
wanted to learn from me, they
say it's like, well, you know, I
can't travel like you do, but
you just show how you could have
the same excitement for the same
passion and energy and energy
From the things that could be

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around a corner of your house or
even in your house, and, you
know, like, the word travel
doesn't necessarily mean you
have to fly to the other side of
the world and really love
Yeah, we tend to forget that
some of the most famous, most
respected and, you know,
photographers in the history of

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photography. And you can really
start with names, of course,
like, like Cardi B song, he was
walking the streets of his town,
right? He was not travelling to
Venezuela, and you know, Fiji,
and wherever he was walking the
streets of his town, and he's in
the history books, because he
was seeing things around his

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neighbourhood. Right, and
capturing in a way that we just,
we start drooling when looking
at those images. And he was for
sure excited about the things
you know, so just take the
camera, start walking your
street, but start looking, you
will see things which you have
never noticed before, because

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you you were dreaming about
travelling to Japan or to Korea
or China, you know, so yeah,
photograph, photographs are
everywhere, right? Photographs
are really everywhere, and you
can start also crafting your own
visual language, just on the
streets of your of your own
neighbourhood, you know, you

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will be really surprised. So,
yeah, I think I
really, I really, really love
what you just said there.
Because, you know, I think the
social media and not just you
know, because now we're in the
attention, time, right, where
everything has to be fibrin, and
ground and all that stuff. So we

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forget the small details that
make a big difference. And you
just, you know, kind of show how
even the smallest thing could
make a big difference in your
photography. So I really enjoy
that. Thanks for sharing that.
Too much. Cool. So, you know, so
when I come across your

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community, you know, your, your
magazine, I see something
different, you know, it's not
the type of things that I came
across, in, in normal
photography. World or, you know,
place and I'd like to hear a
little bit more about what
inspired you to start frames?

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And what is your vision and
mission with the frames
magazine?
I think yeah, so we are starting
to touch on this on this
community aspect, you know, of
my activities. And, you know,
like, in a nutshell, what we
have been just talking about for
the last, you know, 20 minutes

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you can see how excited I'm
getting how, how, how happy I am
to, to, to keep sharing those
ideas, you know, I don't know
now with your listeners on a,
you know, at home with friends,
when we're having coffees, and
you know, I get the same I get,
you know, energised exactly and

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excited and I think at some
point, you know, in my life I
do, I realised that I have this
urge to, to share this
excitement, to open people up to
you know, to inspire them to, to
exactly to start telling them
you know, about the

(28:35):
possibilities, you know, which
are endless when it comes to
working on your own art, you
know, exactly in your own
surroundings, you know, to do,
to unlocking to to unlock their
potential potential, you know,
artistic potential, and so on,
so forth. So, at some point I
realised, I, I'm also enjoying
it, and you know, and I also

(28:56):
realised that people really
start reacting, you know, to, to
my own excitement. So, I think
that's when it all started that
I realised that I, you know,
I'm, you know, I open to, I
started a Facebook group,
basically, yeah, I think it was
the very beginning of frames,
you know, I started a Facebook
group and started to you know,

(29:18):
interacting with other members,
you know, talking about the
photographs, sharing mine, and
so on and so forth. So I think
my passion to photography got
combined with this urge with
this need to, to interact with
other people and you know, and
kind of growing together because
I also learned so much, you

(29:38):
know, from from other members,
it's just, it's just amazing
and, you know, and it's an
ongoing process and that's how
it started the community, you
know, the groups on internet and
then in the end, I also felt
like I wanted to give those
people this outlet, you know, to
present their work in a in a
printed fashion which is, you
know, you would again, think

(29:59):
today in the world. to social
media and all digital, I wanted
to also show them because I also
print myself quite a lot, you
know, and I was always really
happy, really fascinated with
how the images, you know, end up
looking on paper, or you know,
or when you hang them on your
wall. So I wanted also to show

(30:19):
them this, you know, not
everything is happening on your,
on our computer screens, try
this, try showing to, you know,
send me your images, maybe we
can print them in my, in the
magazine, and so on, so forth.
So, yeah, you know, just, I
guess these are those elements,
you know, passion plus this edge
of connecting, you know, like we

(30:39):
are now you know, like, again,
now we are connecting with your
community, you know, to to your
podcast, it's just amazing what,
and of course, technology is
helping us today in a crazy way.
I mean, we you are in Valley,
right? Yeah, I'm in Switzerland,
people listening in New York,
it's just crazy. We forget how
thankful we should be to, you

(30:59):
know, when I think about my
parents life, the first few
decades, such things didn't
exist. It's just insane. Right?
So yeah, we are blessed, and
then we should be really
thankful. And then I think I'm
kind of, yeah, using those
channels to, to, to connect to

(31:20):
spread the love, you know, right
to to photography.
Yeah, that's incredible. You
know, I, I love seeing photos on
the screen and social media. But
when I print those photo, it's a
different feeling right? When
you can see it and touch it and
see it on your wall, I have a
few on my wall here as well, you

(31:41):
know, and it's just a different
feeling. And I really enjoy it.
And I know exactly how you feel.
So I really like the idea of
printing your photos in magazine
and so forth. And I think that's
really cool. So, you know, once
you kind of build that
community, and you come up with

(32:03):
this idea of, you know, what,
maybe there is another way of
getting people out of the
computer, even for just you
know, a few minutes or you know,
an hour or two and going through
some of those art in an old
fashioned way where people have
more time. Because I think one
of my biggest problem about

(32:24):
consuming art in social media is
not the screen itself. But the
attention span, like people
seems to just scroll and stop
appreciating you like, oh, yeah,
cool, or, you know, nice, great,
you know, but it's, they never
really stopped, right? Because
there's always going to next
note, there's going to be next
notification. Next, pop next,

(32:47):
whatever it is right with the
technology. But when you look at
it in an old fashioned way, you
kind of switch off and you know,
when you look at an art in a
magazine, or in a printed
fashion, you have the ability to
kind of isolate yourself in the
art itself. And that's what I
love about it. So, when you come

(33:08):
up with this idea, right? Oh,
you know what, we should share
these magazines and stuff like
that. What? I'd like to hear a
little bit more about what it
did journey on getting to where
it is right now. Because right
now, you're on what fourth
edition?
This is 10th edition we are

(33:29):
working on has had a crazy time.
socializations Yeah.
So and so how do you go from you
know, having simply just a
community of people who
passionate about photography, to
having a 10th edition quarterly
edition. So that's almost three

(33:50):
years now you're coming into the
three years mark, and that's
just incredible. So how did how
did that journey go? And what
are some of the challenges that
you came across to get to where
you are right now.
You also needless to say, you
know, translating an idea to

(34:12):
reality, it requires certain
steps, you know, determination
and but, you know, division of
the printed photography magazine
was pretty strong in you know, I
had it in me for for for some
more years, you know, and the

(34:32):
whole frames magazine story
started actually when the when
the pandemic, you know, hit the
world. I had more time, right,
more more time at home, but also
I felt and you know, after
having some conversations with
people, I felt it's a, funnily
enough, I mean, not the worst
moment to try and to do it

(34:54):
because, you know, people were
looked at homes so we couldn't
travel and photograph as much as
we would like. But we at the
same time, or even more, we were
then we are looking for some
sources of inspiration, you
know, for some to keep us here
on this on this is, you know,
our levels of excitement and
artistic you know, you know,

(35:15):
having those influences. So,
yeah, great started when, you
know, in parallel with COVID Now
when it comes to steps, you
know, I had the vision and and I
made the decision myself is
just, it's just gonna happen.
So, step by step learning what

(35:37):
was there to be to be learned,
you know, and overcoming any
kind of obstacle which was
there, you know, like looking
for printers, learning how to,
you know, translate the digital
files into a right print
profiles, you know, and sending
them to printers, and then
looking for distribution, day by
day, step by step, just, you

(36:00):
know, I was following my plan.
And the only thing which was,
you know, which kept me going
was my very clear vision, I
just, I just pre visualised
this, this magazine in my hand.
And step by step I was, I was
just going after it, you know,
and it was not always the
easiest thing, of course, in the
beginning, you know, you have to
pull it off, you have to

(36:21):
organise everything you have to
make, make sure that you are not
going bankrupt. Along the
process, right, this is a
printed magazine, they are
completely different costs when
it comes to printing. And, you
know, my vision was also going
really for the, for the best
possible quality, which I, you
know, I could possibly afford,
you know, and the photographs
had to look just beautiful, you

(36:42):
know, we are giving each each
photograph in the magazine, it's
dedicated page. So it's, that,
that ties nicely to what you
were talking about before, you
know, we want people looking at
the photograph to slow down,
right? We, you're looking at one
image at a time, it has space,
you can concentrate on it. So
you turn the page, you know, and

(37:05):
it starts speaking to you,
because there is exactly,
there's no distractions and no
notifications popping up from
the printed pages. You have to
sit down somewhere, you know,
find your corner, you know, have
a glass of wine, maybe or you
know, have a coffee, just be
careful not to spill it and you
start enjoying it but enjoying
an image one, one in one

(37:26):
photograph at a time, right? And
it's a big difference. So you
can start this. And of course,
the format is bigger than on a,
let's say, on an iPhone or on a
phone. Right? So it's a
completely different way of
interacting, interacting with a
photograph. Yeah, so yeah, step
by step, you know, and yeah,

(37:47):
many hours, many sleepless
nights. And here we are. So but
today, I'm really really happy
with it. And so and so seems to
be many other many, you know, of
our subscribers and readers. So,
it's possible. Yeah, it's
possible just and, and it
absolutely applies to
everything, what what your own,

(38:08):
you know, personal vision might
might be, you just have to, we
tend to think about the goals
right? Very often, we have a
goal. And we, we fixate on this
goal, but you know, like with
with every other goal when when
you want to walk from point
eight, A to Z, or that right?

(38:30):
There is B, C, D, E, F G on the
way which you can skip, nobody
can jump so far right? You have
to make 26 steps from A to Zed
is it 26 Either way, but no.
Just make your small steps. Keep
making each step you know at a
time and you will get to your

(38:50):
goal. That's it. Wow, that's my
This is nothing. But this is
nothing you know, it's nothing.
It's not a huge discovery of
myself, you know, but I also had
to learn it. But today I know if
I said any other goal for
myself, I know it will take
time, effort and those steps and
that's it. The problem is so

(39:12):
many of us give up after B
because it feels difficult, it
takes a bit long, you know or
maybe there's something
distracting. And then we get
frustrated because we don't get
to the goal but the satisfaction
of getting to the Zed point is
huge. And you know the feeling
of accomplishment and you know

(39:33):
believe in yourself and in your
vision. And then you look back
and look at those Yeah, exactly.
Like you know asked me about all
those small steps and they were
there. I didn't you know, send
out a few 1000s of magazines
that first week I did it right.
But it needs this time and those
steps along the way. No other no

(39:55):
other way to achieve it.
That is so inspiring. That is so
in aspiring and you know, I
guess with this again the era of
right now it's all about instant
right? Everything is instant you
you you buy from Amazon, it's
their next day you you look at,
you post something you get likes
right away and along the line, I

(40:19):
think we we forgot something
very important in our life that
the process the journey to get
there. And this is so inspiring,
you know what you mentioned
here? Because, well, first of
all, you started a physical
product during pandemic where

(40:39):
it's very difficult right to go
out there physically. And most
people are studying virtual
stuff, and you study the
physical stuff. Second thing, I
have printed photo books myself,
I've you know, I have searched
for not only a good quality, but
an affordable one to be, you

(40:59):
know, to so that it's
profitable, and all that stuff.
And I know how much effort that
comes, you know, the search, the
discovery, the different bits
and pieces, and you know, where
you try to show the importance
of the quality to the printer
because they just print it,
right, they don't understand
art. So when I saw your, your,

(41:22):
what you do and what you put
together, I was very intrigued,
because, you know, I know how
difficult to put that together.
But you know, hearing your story
here is just incredible. Because
you're absolutely right, we have
to go to the A, B and C and D
and you know, so forth. And
maybe you skip a letter, but you

(41:42):
can't skip, you know, 10 letters
that well.
And also, you know, and one one
last thing, I mean, we tend to
forget, or like get kind of
maybe scared or discouraged by
by exactly by the process
itself. But we tend to forget
that this entire process is also

(42:02):
an enjoyable thing. It's not
like it, okay, depends on your
approach, but it I was not
suffering, I was enjoying this
process, I was enjoying the
challenges and efforts, you
know, sure, if I will be
suffering physically will be
different thing. But you know,

(42:23):
if you have division, you if you
want to bake a cake, you have to
bake the cake, you have to look
for ingredients, you have to go
shopping, you have to start
mixing them, you have to bake
it, people are usually enjoying,
right. So it's the sales, we
don't forget that the process
itself might be NT usually is an

(42:46):
enjoyable thing if we are
working towards the goal we are
excited about. So but somehow we
have this nature that we often
get discouraged by the amount of
steps, right? Because we think
oh my God, so many things to
work on, that each of those
things, each of those steps is
enjoyable, if it's something you

(43:06):
enjoy doing. So don't let those
you know, like little steps and
dip the entire process and
timeline. discourage you it's
Yeah. And I think
that's, that's very inspiring.
And I want to I want to kind of
elaborate on and touch a little
bit more into that, that that
what you just mentioned there.

(43:26):
So, you know, like a lot of us
really, like you say we want you
we have a goal, and we have this
vision and we want it to happen
right away. Like everybody
wouldn't happen right away,
right? It's just your nature.
That's that's okay. But you say
something that's, I think, very
important, right? That along the
line, there are process, and

(43:47):
there are ways to enjoy the
process. And you know, one thing
that I want to get your take on
is think we can recognise that
not everything that we need to
do from A to Zed is going to be
enjoyable, but you manage to
find the good and enjoy it
anyway. So one thing that I'd

(44:09):
like to get your opinion on or
your wisdom on is how can people
do that? Right? When they going
when they have a vision in mind
when they want it to go to that?
And they're currently at A or C
or you know, G how do they enjoy
the each one of the step, the
journey to get there so that

(44:31):
they don't give up so that they
don't get discouraged so that
they keep going and push
themselves forward to get to
their goals.
So I think the well this is,
again, a great question, not an
easy answer, because you know,
everybody functions differently
and so on so forth. And every
project is different, bigger,
smaller, you know, but okay, if

(44:53):
we if we if we like to break any
kind of process into those steps
you're starting at a Let's say
you get to be, first of all, you
have to give yourself a really
strong pat on the back that you
have to be because you know, 90%
of people don't get to be really

(45:15):
like nine. Most most of the
people working on similar maybe
are dreaming about similar
projects or goals. They don't
even start. It's a bit sad. I
would love to encourage
encourage those people to to you
know, to go on and but it's the
fact because most there are so
many I'm unconvinced, there's so

(45:36):
many amazing ideas in the world,
they are not even getting
started on. So nobody gets makes
it to be. If you make it to be
you should celebrate. You know,
let's say you want to make a
photography book. So what you
did today, you took a piece of
paper, you wrote seven ideas,

(45:58):
and you sketched the cover of
your book, you should celebrate
90% of people didn't even do
this this step. And I think in
turn, it will encourage you to
okay, what's the what's the C
step? And suddenly you are at F
and K, you know, people saw a

(46:21):
really Yeah, celebrate little
steps along the way. Tell about
them. Tell about the yo yo your
family, your friends, you know,
whatever. You know, I sketched
my book today on a piece of
paper looks amazing. I'm so
excited. Yes, you should be.
Because you 99% of other people

(46:42):
dreaming about the book didn't
sketch them, their book on the
on the piece of paper, it's
huge. I tell you, let's think
about it this way. And if you
manage, and you know, every next
step, when you accomplish it, it
will fuel you, I guarantee it
will inspire you to go on. And
in a way, okay, this might be

(47:03):
the point you were asking about.
And in a way, every next of
those steps gets easier. Because
you start believing in yourself,
you start celebrating it, you
start getting more excited, you
start getting closer to your
goal, you know. So then like you
say, maybe you can skip one
letter, but you can skip you

(47:24):
know, 25. But if you get closer
to the goal, you get even more
excited, right? It's like we are
running a marathon and you see
the goal. You can be exhausted,
but you will keep running right.
So yeah, that's it. I think
that's it, you know, but and I
think you are going to we're
going to actually ask me about
the end at the end of the of the

(47:45):
podcast, you know, to the disk
device, so I will keep it so I
will keep it to the end of the
episode.
Yeah, that's I mean, that's,
that's perfect. You know, it's,
it's something, I really, I'm
very thankful that you brought
that up, because I feel I went

(48:08):
through that period of, you
know, never, always focusing on
the lack, right, you get to be
you get to see you get to D but
the thing that I think about is
that, yes, I get there, but I
still have all of the steps that
I haven't got there. And I think
most people kind of stuck on
that bit. And it discouraged

(48:29):
them. So 100% I'm so grateful
that you brought it up. And I
think it's very important that
the listeners out there hear
this because it is very true.
You know, like, like you say you
you build up a momentum from
your little wins. But you really
need to reward yourself from

(48:50):
from doing that. And a lot of us
forget that the small steps are
a big MC are the one that makes
a big difference. So very well
put, you know, I really enjoyed
that. Thanks a lot of time, you
know, for putting that true, but
you need money that you say
that, you know, you're saving,
there's less wisdom, where can I

(49:11):
come into the one hour mark, and
we're gonna get to your wisdom
right now. But one thing that I
want to touch before we get into
that is that now you're
developing an app right for your
community and for people and you
have also you putting together a
group of photographer and you

(49:33):
know, in the form of photo club,
right. So just give us a little
bit a little bit background on
how do you feel that the app and
photo club can help you. You
know, deliver your vision
through through this through
this platform. Because at the

(49:54):
end of the day, all of this is
just a platform, right? Whether
it's a Facebook or Instagram,
but the way we We use it is up
to us as human being as Creator
as a visionary. So, what have
you got envision? And how do you
vision people use the app, as
well as you know, being part of

(50:15):
the club can help you reach that
vision.
So, yeah, just briefly, so
everything ties, you know, into,
to back to this idea of
community. And because because I
think about frames as a
community, you mentioned it also
few times. We were working on
mobile photography app. And it

(50:36):
might sound now a bit contra
intuitive, you know, coming back
to the idea of, you know,
photography belonging on paper,
but just to make things clear,
of course, frames photography,
we know printed quarterly
magazine is the is the kind of
main pillar of everything, what
we are, you know, about, at
Francis about this is we are the
most proud of, you know, the

(50:57):
printed magazine, the idea of
mobile application started kind
of in those, you know, weeks or
months, where, where Instagram
was getting some kind of
critique, and maybe still
getting, you know, from the
photography, photographers
community, you know, when it
comes to the algorithms, or the
idea that they now prefer, you
know, maybe showing more video

(51:18):
in the app than then still
photographs. I'm still, you
know, actually, to be honest,
I'm enjoying Instagram a lot,
you know, and I'm also getting
connection over there. And in my
personal feed, you know,
Instagram feed, everything is
actually looking pretty, pretty
nice, you know, I can't play but
I can imagine, maybe based on
your location, geographical
location, whatever it might be,
your Instagram is maybe behaving

(51:40):
differently. So anyway, I, of
course, I heard about many
complaints about from
photographers about Instagram.
And a week, you know, I came up
with the idea of creating a,
quote unquote, proper
photography app. I mean,
Instagram is a great photography
app, but it's not per se, a
photography app. I mean, it
started as a photography app,

(52:01):
basically. But what it is today
is, is a social media platform,
right? Kind of photography
heavy, maybe now more video
heavy, I don't know, what we are
creating is a friend's
photography app. And it's a
purely and really heavily
oriented you know, photography
oriented photographer oriented
application, we will be having
things like portfolios, you

(52:22):
know, photo series in it, you
will be able to share, you know,
you will be able able to export,
export your your foot portfolio
and share it with with whoever
you want via email, you know, or
via special link and so on and
so forth. But everything ties
back to again, to community, the
idea is to gather enthusiasts,
you know, photography lovers
around this app, you know, to be

(52:44):
able to also look at people's
work and look for people we
could be potentially, you know,
featuring in the printed
magazine, you know, we will be
also having a special fit in the
app, you know, where we'll be it
will be a kind of like a again,
like a kind of like a magazine.

(53:05):
But you know, of course
different from the printed
magazine, it will be more
informative with articles not on
gear, we are not going into
gear, there's enough technology
and everything is there are some
great great platforms out there
right. But we will be covering
you know, photography,
photography, ideas, thoughts,
you know, portfolios,
conversations with photographers

(53:26):
in the app itself. So next to
your portfolio, your photo your
you know, friends and people you
follow their, their work right.
And their their feeds, you will
have this in app magazine, which
will be inspiring you again, so
you will have two sides sharing

(53:47):
your own work following other
people's work but also getting
inspiration from from
photography related content.
Nice things the thing to mention
I can mention earlier today is
that the application will be
completely free of charge. So
this is again a nice one a nice
bonus here. And at the same time

(54:08):
yeah, we are you are right, we
are launching what's called a
friends photography circle. This
is a membership kind of club,
you know, you can think about it
like as a as a you know, think
about your local photography
club, does that still exist,
where you really go in there and
meet friends you know, and start
discussing photography, having
guest speakers, you know, this

(54:29):
will be happening in the, in the
friends photography circle, of
course, mainly online because we
will be international. But we
are thinking also about you
know, having meetings in the
future we are thinking about
working towards a friend's
photography book, yearly yearly
photography book. But again,
what's the most exciting about
it is, you know, we'll be making

(54:50):
friends around the world and you
know, hopefully meeting each
other in the future, you know,
working on exhibitions together
and so on and so forth. So,
yeah, if I can mention, if it's
okay with you, you know, just
quickly, it's, it's still
possible to, to, to join to
apply, you know, to reframes
photography circle, you can

(55:12):
visit our website, you know,
drop me a message to the contact
form, and I will, you know,
share all the necessary details
here. But yeah, many things
happening. Yeah, definitely,
towards the end of this year.
Yeah. Wow, that's, you know, I
really love that. And I think
one of the things that really
intrigued me about the app that
you're putting together, when
you have it as an idea, still I

(55:34):
saw, you know, on the on friends
Facebook group, is that, how
you're focusing on the immersion
to the photography, right,
instead of just a scrolling app,
like to say, an attention
grabbing app, right? You have
this the immersion into one

(55:57):
photography, with the story with
the interaction, and I think
it's great, you know, you
mentioned about that, like, you
know, portfolio and, you know,
the interface and stuff like
that, and you put it very well
there, you know, that it's,
it's, it's good to have, I mean,

(56:18):
we love the you know, the
entertainment part of Instagram
and Facebook, and that's what
they're moving across to right.
But at the same time, we also
miss that time where we can
connect to a deeper level. And I
think that's something that we
really miss in this new era. So
I really enjoy that. And you
kind of couple that with the
photo club as well, photo

(56:40):
circle, you mentioned now, just
quickly, actually, you know,
like, before we get into that, I
might, I might ask you this, the
last question first, and then we
get into that now. So it's been
really great conversation, I
really appreciate having you
here. And you've dropped a lot

(57:00):
of wisdom, a lot of new
perspective, which I think it's
really important in our life,
right perspectives. Now, what is
that one wisdom or one advice
that you would give either your
younger self or anyone, if they
ask, you know, like, Tomash? If
there is one advice that you
could give me, what would that

(57:20):
be?
Yeah, so most probably will be
the one which I kind of talked
about already, but let me like,
rephrase it and kind of put it
into in a in a shorter, you
know, form is, if you have a
dream goal idea. You know, you
are really, you know, striving

(57:41):
to to achieve and, you know,
keeps you awake at night, and so
on. But you feel a little bit
stuck on, you know, maybe
overwhelmed with with the whole
concept of this of this goal and
and make a quick reset in your
head and go out and tomorrow,

(58:01):
make the first step, make the
smallest step towards this goal.
Because it can it can really,
like, trigger the avalanche. You
know, like, I know, and I know
it myself and exactly is is the
younger me. I was, you know,
maybe not courageous enough,

(58:22):
maybe doubting my own ideas,
and, and some of them never came
to fruition, of course, you
know, but I learned this lesson
and and that's what I apply
today. If, if you have an idea
or a goal, you have a goal,
which of course you believe in,
you know, it's a viable goal.
But you kind of feel a bit stuck

(58:43):
and overwhelmed, maybe scared to
go this path, but you really
want to want it right, make the
first step. It can be one email,
it can be one sketch on a piece
of paper. But it's one step. You
know, it's like avalanche and
snow avalanche in in the
mountains. A little ball of
smoke or you know, a little
what's the flake of snow can

(59:05):
trigger a huge avalanche, right?
Just just make this step and
make it tomorrow. Or even better
today, right? And you will you
will reach your goal. You know,
you'll be so much closer to
reaching your goal. So that
would be it. I think I didn't
keep it really short. But yeah,
I

(59:25):
know, my point. Yeah. I love
that. I love how you use the,
you know, the analogy of small
flake can make and can create an
avalanche and I think that's
what we're working towards right
and being patient to keep making
that. Keep trying that small

(59:47):
flick until the avalanche
happened. That's, that's that's
what we want to keep doing until
the goal is right in front of
us. So thanks a lot for the
wisdom. Donation. It was it was
incredible. You know I really
enjoy that I really enjoy your
perspective and the way you see
photography and new world. So
yeah, like I guess one thing

(01:00:09):
that I want to get to understand
why you know the listener might
be interested about this as well
is share with us a little bit
about the photo club when they
join you know, what sort of
experience they will get to be
to be part of the friends
community. And you know, how
how, how it can help them to

(01:00:33):
appreciate either photography or
even improve their photography
at one point or another.
Yeah, so maybe before I
mentioned really a little bit in
detail what it's all about so
just to clarify, I mean, frames
magazine when you become a
subscriber to frames magazine
you are becoming basically a you
know, a member of our community.

(01:00:55):
You can also become a member of
our community without
subscribing who just consult for
us on Facebook let's say yes, we
have a group and but of course,
I encourage you very much to
have a look at the magazine it's
a different experience you know,
it's a printed magazine so when
you become a subscriber, you
automatically get access to some
you know, digital content as
well, which is accompanying the

(01:01:16):
printed magazine and is our
basic offering and this is what
what we are all about. Now the
friends photography circle, you
know, and it comes up three
years after when you know,
frames was actually born. It's
this most in depth, you know,
group of photography
enthusiasts, you know, it's
something for those people who
who really, absolutely want to,

(01:01:40):
you know, study you know, follow
learn from from those best
photography sinkers, you know,
and talkers and, you know,
gallery curator, curators,
photographers, we will be having
this kind of environment within
this, you know, friends

(01:02:00):
photography circle. So, when it
comes to elements of this, of
this of this club, we will be
having meetings with those guest
speakers, so exactly
photographers, museum gallery
curators, you know, add other
editors and so on so forth, we
will be having self curating
meetings of the group when we

(01:02:21):
will be looking at each other's
photographs, you know, and kind
of curating them towards this
yearly goal of of publishing a
friend's photography book. So
being a member, you are kind of
guaranteed, you will get your
image into this book, right, but
we will be working on it
together discussing those
things, we will be having an
open weekly frames cafe, so is a

(01:02:44):
virtual place, which you can pop
in once a week, you know, every
week, and start making those
friends you know, and start
making those other enthusiasts
from from other places in the
world discussing we will be
popping in there. Also some
guests, it's kind of like a
virtual cafe. So, and then of
course, we will be having some
kind of critic photo critic

(01:03:04):
sessions you know, like being
them from from those guests, you
know, from the you know, our
guest speakers, they will be
looking at our photo add members
photographs, right, but also
discussing them with with each
other, right. And then in the
end, we are also planning of
Yeah, it would be the jewel in
the crown, yeah, to, to organise

(01:03:26):
if maybe a few on location
meetings of frames clap, you
know, in different in different
locations around the world, you
know, and ideally, also with one
of those acclaim photographers,
you know, to join us on those
meetings. So, again, as you can
already feel this is, again,

(01:03:47):
about community, of course, we
will be providing our members
with all those, you know,
lectures, talks, you know,
presentations, critiques, but we
really want to make sure that
friendships are being formed
that this photography passion is
what starts connecting, you
know, and forming new ideas

(01:04:07):
within the club. So the friends
photographer, circle will be a
club, which will be evolving,
naturally formed by ideas and
you know, input from all its
members, it yeah, pretty sure
will be an amazing experience,
you know, and, yeah, we'll be
lovely. If you some of your
listeners, who would, you know,

(01:04:28):
as I said, just drop me a
message to the website, and I
will be more than happy to serve
some more, some more details.
Fantastic. Yeah, that's, that
sounds like an amazing club to
be in, you know, like, just
listening to what you share and
the community that you have on
Facebook is, you know, very,
very lively, very engaging, and
you know, on the other platform

(01:04:48):
as well, as well, as you know,
you're creating your own
platform. So that's very, all
very exciting. Well, too much.
You know, thank you very much
for being here really
thoroughly. Enjoy our chat. and
getting to know you better. Now
for the listeners who want to
get to know you know, the frames
magazine yourself as well as the

(01:05:11):
the photo club where the the
circle that you're you're
putting together for 2023 Where
is the best way to get in touch
with you.
So the absolutely best way is
just to visit, you know, the
frames website. So you can go to
read frames.com You know, and
then follow the links in the
menu, you will, you will find
the links to all all the

(01:05:32):
different exactly elements of
our platform magazine and the
club. You know, there is also
many, many articles on the
website itself, which we are you
know, releasing every couple of
days, there is a there is a new
piece. So read frames.com. And I
think it's the number one, I
mean, the best, the best place
to to get started with frames.

(01:05:55):
Fantastic, yeah, we'll, we'll
put some of the link on the
comment on the description
below. So don't worry, it's all
gonna be there. So go to that
I'll we'll also put the link to
the Facebook group, if you want
to be part of the community as
well as the the way the contact
form in order to get in touch

(01:06:15):
with Tomash. If you want to get,
you know, to join the photo
club, it's, it sounds like an
amazing experience, you know,
especially with what we've been
through in this recent years,
you know, I think it's more than
ever we people are realising
that, that passion is very

(01:06:35):
important because we it's like a
wake up call, right, we finally
understand how important our
time is that there is no
guarantee it's going to be
tomorrow. And we never know when
it's going to be too late, you
know, so? Yeah, I think more
than ever, we should focus on

(01:06:56):
our passion and pursue that so
well, so much. Thank you very
much for being here. Thank you
very much for being part of the
podcast, sharing your journey,
sharing your wisdom and well we
can hunters, hopefully you enjoy
that. That podcast, that
conversation, a lot of wisdom
dropped there. And don't forget
to say hi to Tomash if you enjoy

(01:07:18):
this, you know, give him a sense
of appreciation. And please feel
free to contact him go to the
website and check out what he's
been building. It's an
absolutely incredible community
as well as you know, if you like
like Tom, I say if you don't
want to be a subscriber yet,
then it's okay. Go to the
Facebook get involved. Because I

(01:07:40):
can tell you it's a really good
community. Well, with that being
said, you know, we've been here
for a little over an hour now.
Thank you for you know, hanging
out with us and you know,
chilling and I always think
about this podcast, like a chill
in a coffee coffee cafe. So
it's, it's it's great to kind of

(01:08:01):
just hang out with you. Well,
thank you, Thomas, for being
here. And yeah, we'll we'll keep
chatting and we'll keep
connecting.
Yeah, Stanley, thank you so much
for having me. It was really
great conversation and
everybody. Remember about your
first step today.
That is a great advice. All
right, we can just don't forget
to hit the subscribe button and

(01:08:21):
also leave a review if this is
something that you enjoy. But
with that being said, I'll see
you guys next week.

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