Ep 55 - How Ina Grischau seek uncomfortable path to find and experience to find a disappearing culture during her travel - The Art of Photography

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For a whole weekjourney just to go

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to reindeer herdersin nowhere, like
literally innowhere, I needed to
take a horse at theend for multiple
days to visit thosepeople. And it was
like one of the bestexperiences on my
journey in Mongolia.So,
but to experiencethis kind of, of

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outstanding things,you need to do
outstanding stuff,you, you know, you
need to be awarethat there is no
comfortable thatlighting for you. Be
happy if the groundis soft, kind of.
Yeah, and

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Hey Wicked HuntersWelcome back to The
Art of Photographypodcast, where we
share artist journeyand how photography
given us hope,purpose and
happiness. And todaywe have someone who
you will enjoy, youknow, listening to
she have so muchpositivity, so you
have so much energy.And actually, one of

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the reason that Iwant her to come
into the podcast isnot only because of
her photography, butalso because this
energy. So in ourWelcome to the Art
of Photographypodcast, you know, I
really appreciatehaving you here.
Thank you for thislovely introduction.
And thank you somuch. I can give it

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right back to you. Itold you before,
like, I love yourenergy, too. And
this was one of thethings where I
straightaway saidyes, let's do it.
And I'm so excitedabout the recording
right now. Yeah,let's do it.
Ah, yeah, no, that'sfantastic. You know,
like, I see a lot ofyour work. And there
is a lot ofdifferent things

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that I want to askthem as you and I
know, you have thistop secret project
coming up as well,that you've been
working on. And I'mgonna say like,
it's, it'sincredible. I am
very intrigued whenyou give that
introduction, but wewill not going to
reveal it just yet.Because it's top
secret. And we'llsee right, people

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who stay till theend, I can get the
benefit and thebonus of getting to
know that. But firstof all, before we
even get startedinto the top secret
project, which we'renot going to talk
about. Tell us alittle bit about
yourself. Right?How, how do you you

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know who you are?And how do you get
into photography?
Sure. So my name isin Angular. So I'm
from Germany, orGerman born? I'm
also living inGermany again. Like,
how did I got intophotography? It's
like a verydifficult question.
Because like many ofus experience like,

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in their childhoodalready, like
picking up a camera,you know, like, the
film cameras pointedto just go and take
some pictures. Iremember that I did
that, like kind of alot. And when I
compare it,especially in retro
perspective to myfriends, back then,
I was always theperson doing the
most pictures andfinding angles or

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like faces, youknow, in my friends
with nobody elsethat like, I got a
film back. Andusually the feedback
I got was like, howdid you do that? You
know, like, and,yeah, at this point,
you know, you neverrealise that you
have like, a certainkind of way to see
the world aroundyou, or like to
capture it in adifferent way. And

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it's kind of getsgot a little bit
lost. Like I alwayshave this passion
and the love forphotography, but I
never like was, oh,I should be become a
photographer. Youknow, like the step
was never, neverreally there. Like
it was never aquestion or
something. So, andon top, sorry, it
just and I'm tall.I'm very rgsl Like,

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I'm drawing along.I'm painting and
stuff like this. Sopeople know me from
that side as well.And they know like,
I'm kind of thiscreative person. So
they're like, oh,yeah, this
photography, thisgoes hand in hand.
So at one point,like I think the
breaking point was2015 when I was

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going to having abigger travel, it
was my first timevisiting Nepal. And
I didn't have anyplan and there was
like this bigearthquake as well
there and it waslike kind of a messy
travel travel aswell. So what I did
was a boardespecially for that
in camera. It wasthe iPhone 6000 from

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Sony, so I didn'thave much money back
then. So I boughtthis camera, but I
bought a good lensactually about the
size visit and wentover there and
actually my firstkind of travel
photography Like,over there. So I did

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like everyeverything of
photography I didtook, like landscape
photography, I did,like real travel
things, and so onand so on, like I
really experimentedaround. And then I
came back. And I waslike, I remember I
was looking at thispictures. And the
first thing Inoticed was, I was
so disappointed. Youcan't really imagine

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I looked at thispictures and had
like some in mymind. And I saw from
the back screen ofmy camera, I was
like, This must be areally good picture.
And I opened it upon my laptop, I was
like, Oh my God,what did you do? You
know, I made thefirst bigger
mistakes with amirrorless camera, I
had a lot of taskson my sensor, I had
a lot of tasks on mylens, and so on and

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so on. And you makeall those mistakes.
And, you know, like,you don't have the
right shutter andaperture at the
first time you yougo out and take the
camera with you. SoI saw immediately
something is wrongwith my photography
on it like atechnical kind of
ways. And I startedworking on it. And

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yeah, 2017 I wentback to Nepal on a
longer journey.Actually, that's
when you didn'tstart it in Nepal,
it started in, inRussia, in
Ekaterinburg. Andfrom there I took a
train over to allthe way to the Lake
Baikal. And then Iwent over to
Mongolia to down toChina, Beijing. And

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then from Beijing, Iwent all the way to
Lhasa or by train,and then I flow over
actually to Nepalagain, and stayed
there three months.And on this long,
long, long journey,which is like,
sponsored TOEFL. Iwas actually
photography for thehouse, taking
pictures, to all thethings that are

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happening around meand I drifted more
and more in thedirection of taking
landscapephotography. And
yeah, actually, thatwas the stone which
got rolling at thatpoint, you know, and
from from there on,I still had one and
a half years more,which I travelled

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around the world.And then I came back
here to Germany andsettled kind of in
again. And thenfocus more on
becoming like abetter photographer.
And I would say thisyear, especially in
the beginning ofthis year, when I
entered the NFTspace, big drift has

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happened once more.Like back then when
I went on a traveland I went outside
of the of my ownworld. And I started
photography things,which were not
normal to me, let'ssay it like this,
like he don'tregularly stand in a
desert in Munich.Right? So I

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discovered thatthrough the NFT
space, and thepeople I met here
that there is like alot of things around
me and a lot ofbeautiful spots,
which I can takepictures of. And
there is likesomething which hold
me back before thattime. I was I'm not
a big fan of overrun and over. Yeah,

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expose the places,you know, like, the
hinter Z, forexample. Or, like,
there's not onlyHinton z, but there
are like so manyspots around here in
which are like, justso I I know a
gentleman very, Idon't know how to

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translate anEnglish, but like,
there's so much somany people went
there and tookexactly the same
picture or like soslightly different.
So that I didn'twant to go there and
do just a slightlydifferent picture. I
was never seeing thesense in this kind
of thing. And withthis year, i i and

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we went to manyplaces of those,
which I justmentioned and I took
pictures which wereslightly different
than other peopletake it and I found
joy in it. It's socrazy but you go to
these places andthey are amazing. So
the reason why somany people take
pictures there isbecause these places

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do have some kind ofmagic and ad right
they are justbeautiful. You go
there and you'rejust like wow, and
then you can you canimmerse yourself in
it and then youstart taking
pictures and thenyou try to make your
own fingerprints onthis kind of
picture. So it's itwas really
challenging butthere I learned a

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lot not on thetechnical side but
more on the creativeside to find my own
voice in pictures.And I would say I'm
I did learn Hello,I'm so happy and
thankful to findthis NFT space to
actually havelearned that sides,
you know, likebefore that one was
missing. And I don'tsay I didn't have a

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creative voicebefore that I can
more directedknowingly in a
certain area I amin. So before I was
in an area and Itook a picture, but
now I know like,Okay, I have like
this kind of story Iwant to tell through
that place or fromthat place, and then
I can direct thatnow, way better and

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way faster. Yeah.Sorry, very long
text. No, no, thanksfor sharing that.
And, you know, wehave a really
similar like, startas well, like, I
started in 2018. Andthe reason why I got
into photography wasthe same thing I
went into, I think Iwent to Euro. And I
look at, I took awhole bunch of

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shots. And when Igot back home, I was
like, wow, like, nota single good shot.
Right, you know, youjust crawling to to
your camera and yourphone. Of course,
most of most of thephoto that I took
that time was on thephone. So yeah, that
was that was reallythe turning point of
my photography inyour and how I got
immersed inphotography, but I

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really draw aparallel in. And,
you know, I now Iknow why, like, you
know, a lot of Nepalphotos, and you're
very connected withNipah. Because of
that reason. I mean,yes. You know, to be
duly honest, thatwas the other thing
that really draw meinto your work is
that, you know, Ijust returned from
Annapurna Circuitthis year, earlier

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this year. So when Isaw an Apollo it was
like, wow, like, youknow, that's cool.
Like I said, that'sthe place that I
haven't gone yet,but I want to be in,
but you know, like,you have this, you
have this energy,right? And you you I
know thatphotography, given
that energy to, tobe passionate and to
be energetic and tobe positive. So, you

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know, I want toknow, what is the
most excited thingsabout photography
that make you youknow, the way you
are today? Oh,that's a difficult
question. Thatquestion, by the
way, so.

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So, how did I wouldsay that photography
is a way of speakingor showing other
people what I seeand what I
experience,especially, like,
lots of my journeys,especially the very
long one was alsovery lonely one no,

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like, I left behindall my friends and
all my family, like,for two years, I
didn't, I didn't seemany of those people
and only, like, someparts online. And
it's, I think when Itake those pictures,
it's, it's like,they are there with
me, like, at leastin a retros

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perspective, I canshow them this
places and kind oflive through it with
with the feedback ofthem, you know, and
even if they're notthere in that
moment, it's, it'smaybe a way for me
to actually stillhave them with me
and, and like atleast in a in a

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later state. And Ialso noticed that
from for me,especially colours
and light, I meanlight is always a
topic and colours,those sorts of kinds
and sounds kind ofto dairy. But for
for me colours needto look kind of
tasty. That sounds alittle bit funny,

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but it's it's likeit is it's like the
emotion I need tohave an Asiya
colour, it needs tolook like I want to
eat it. Okay, it'svery strange to say
that, but I noticedalso there is like
something when, whendifferent, you know,

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like taste andlooking and hearing
and stuff, it canlike kind of
overlap. And I thinkcolours in pace kind
of overlap formyself. So it's like
I'm seeing a cake orsomething in front
of me. So if acolour doesn't look
like a cake, it'snot good. And I'm
still tweaking it alittle bit. So I

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kind of like it verymuch. And yeah, it
sounds funny, butit's where I want to
go. And then again,the places I'm
capturing isactually to kind of
bring people with meand let them look
through my own eyes.So that's a kind of
my drive for myphotography.

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That is interesting.You must love food,
aren't you? What doyou like food so
much that you wantto make sure that
the photo look likeokay, it's
really no yeah, howto how to otherwise
say that, you know,it's, it's a very
weird thing. Likesometimes you know,

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when you scrollthrough your
timeline in Twitter,and you're just like
stopping at onepicture, and it can
be like that yousay, oh my god, this
light is amazing orlike this
composition. Butmostly for me, it's
like, wow, thiscolour looks tasty
it's very weird.Colour I understand

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that, you know, butno, it's not exactly
like a cake, but itkind of brings up
this emotion.
That is cool. Yeah,that's really
interesting. No oneever explained to me
that way aboutphotography. So I
really enjoy that areally fresh now,
you know, like youyou share a story
and I can'tremember. Yeah, it

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was in this one. Iwas like, I can't
remember if youshare it before we
started therecording or after
but anyway, youstarted you tell the
story about you wentto Himalaya and
going to the what'sthe name? There is a
name right. The fromthe one that go from
Russia to China? Isthat the sea Berean
or
the Trans Siberiantrain? Yeah, that

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was Russian way. Soyou have the
different one didyou I know I did
started as a TransSiberian train. This
is actually from thelongest ride you can
take. It's from St.Petersburg, Moscow.
And it has been Borgand so on and so on
up to floody, BoscoVladivostok, which

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is on the far end ofRussia to the east
side. So you havelike this long, long
way and take oneweek, day and night
drive all the wayfrom Moscow to
Vladivostok. And Itook that train but
only to Lake Baikaland from Lake

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Baikal, I takeanother. So the
there is aconnecting train,
actually. But it'sthe Mongol train
then, which goesdown to Mongolia, in
Ulaanbaatar. Andfrom hula matar, you
can go from there.Also, with the
Mongolian train,obviously, you
Chinese train linealready to Beijing.

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And this trainconnection is very,
very interesting,because on the
border of Mongoliaand China, you need
to change the wheelsof the train. So
they lift in themiddle of the night,
it's so funny in themiddle of the night,
they just bring youinto like kind of a

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big warehouse, theylift up the whole
train, so theyseparate the train
into the back ends,then the waggons go
into the warehouse,and then they lift
up all the waggons.And then they remove
all the wheels andput new wheels on
there. It's nowabout the width of
the of the wheels onthe left, and the

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right side isdifferent in Russia
than to China. Sothe need to change
it on the border
is hilarious.
Yeah, it'shilarious.
Especially becausethere is like one
stop before theborder in Mongolia.
And they take yourpassport in the
middle of the nighton this train
station. So there issomebody and he's

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collecting all thepassports so he has
like a big stack ofpassports in his in
his arm and he'sjust like yours on
top. And then he'sexiting the train in
the middle of thenight in nowhere.
And we you continueto drive and then
you are in thiswarehouse and they
change the wheelsand you still don't

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have your passport.You just like do I
get it back. Get itback, and then
reattach the wholetrain and then
arrive out again.And this guy is
going through thetrain and he's like
just giving you yourpassport. Just like
I was really like,here's your passport
back. And you havethe visa stamp
inside. It'shilarious,
hilarious. I can dothat.

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Why didn'texperience you must
be what, you know,one thing that I'm
interested to hearis that it's it's
such an experience.You know, I I kind
of I used to hatetravel and only when
I you know I onlyfound travel a
little bit late inmy life and I you

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know, finally fellin love with it. And
that's what got meinto photography.
But I used to hatetravel. Right. And I
think you're veryfortunate and lucky
to be able toexplore and go to
through all of thatexperience. You
know, in your life.I think there's only
a very small numberof people that will

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have the opportunityto do that or the
courage to do that.Right. So I'm
wondering, right?What what goes
through your mind?Like, what makes you
want to do that. Andyou know, what I
want you to share aswell as like, along
the way, what aresome of how does

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your photographyaffect the way you
travel the way yousee things and the
way you interactwith, you know, the
your surrounding theenvironment as well
as the people.
Yes. So that's,that's super
interesting. So thedrive why I'm going
out, is indeed, likethe exploration. And

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I think explorationin photography is a
big main thing formy photography, to
like, yeah, what I'mdoing when I'm doing
it, you know, like,so the images said
something very,very, very

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important, you know,like, you need to
have the courage togo or you need to be
fortunate enough togo in, I know that,
you know, when I'mgoing out and
travel, andespecially when I
did a very longtravel, or I'm going
again, for like, afew months into,
like, ever. It's abig financial step,
as well, I'm thisfinance thing is, so

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big hurdle, you needto actually act to
take it every timeyou do that. And
photography is notcheap hobby you're
having likephotography, or
cameras are evolvingall the time, you
want to have in yourmodel, you want to
have a differentlens to experience,
like different kindsof angles, or just

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to capture adifferent picture
you're dreaming of,you know, we are
creatives, we wantto actually have all
the tools, but youjust can't have all
the tools, exceptyou're like very
fortunate to affordit. And so, going
out to explore, Ithink, most of the

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time of what I triedto do is to handle
or to go witheverything I'm
having, and to stillbe like, happy about
it to have it, youknow, like, it's
like I the alpha, Ihad the Alpha 6000 A
very, very long timebecause I couldn't
afford another lens,I was like in

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struggling was likeget another lens or
do allocate anothercamera body. But if
I got another camerafrom our body, I
need to get otherlenses again. So
every everyphotographer knows
this game, you know,like, you always
have to think aboutit. So if you can't
upgrade, you go outthere. And you are
also to doing thefinancial step to go

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out there and youfly somewhere and
you're experiencingsomething there and
it's all cost money.And then you're
there and you wantto take a picture as
you're dreaming off.Like for example,
when when I go whenI got hiking to the
Everest base campover three high
passes. So there wasit's not the regular

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track it's, it's avery longer track
and be higher tracktoo. And also, I
went in from Jiri.So it was a 28 day
hike. And in thistime, I had three
batteries. Me, I hadone lens, and one
camera body was madebecause I didn't
have a porter and Ididn't have a guide.

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So there was nobodyhelping me to carry
my stuff, everythingI had in this 28
days was in mybackpack. And this
is a very biglimitation you have
as a photographer,so you need to work
with only one lensand only one camera
body but to tell yousomething when
you're up there andI think you know
this kind of feelingbecause you do

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similar kinds ofpictures and you'd
have similarexperiences I
believe that whenyou're up there,
your brain is kindof have that you
just don't haveenough oxygen to
have a good clearthought. So actually
getting out thecamera and taking a
picture it takes somuch effort and so

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like take a goodpicture takes even
bigger effort. Solike I took try I
tried to trickmyself so what I did
was like I had mybig puffy jacket and
I had like a littleback in the front of
my jacket. And thenI put the camera
inside and thereagain my limitation
on this point wasactually good thing

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the camera was smallthe camera body of
the Alpha 6000 issuper tiny small.
The lens itself Ihad was so I could
have gone smallerbut for it was a
step between qualityand going even more
lightweight. Whileit's fitted into the
small pocket, soevery time I saw
something I justneeded to grab into

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my pocket get Get itout and take a
picture. And at onepoint, when I saw
like, Okay, I have alonger journey to
go, I just put it onautomatic. It okay,
maybe I shouldn'tsay that here, I put
it on automatic, youneed to, you know,
you need to findyour in between way
where you are stillgetting the picture.

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But you're toooverwhelmed with all
the settinghandling. I mean,
now I'm on a totallydifferent level, we
just talked beforeabout my journey
about photography, Iwould not do that
anymore. I'm 100%Sure, I'm not in
that kind of mindsetanymore. Like all

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the settings comemore natural to me,
I can find them wayeasier. And the
picture I'msearching for, I can
find easier. But atthat point, I did
that track. Andthere were moments,
you don't haveenough oxygen in
your brain, you arehiking already six
hours in highaltitude. And you

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have to carry allyour stuff on your
back. And it thetrails also
sometimes not easyto walk, and then
you see somethingamazing, and you're
just like, Oh myGod, I want to take
your picture and youjust go in your bag
and take it out, youjust take a picture.
And you go on, youknow, and you need
to also to harvestthe harvest, or you

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say to keep an eyeon the battery
level, it's moreyou're in, in, in
cold conditions. Sothe battery is
draining very fast,you don't have the
possibilities torecharge them all
the time, especiallybecause it's super
expensive torecharge them. And
so I I only took itout, turned it on,

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took one picture.And I turned it off
again, I didn't everlook again on the
pictures until Ifinished the full
track. Because I didwant to save the
battery in case Isee something out
amazingly. And Iwant to take a
picture of it. Yeah.And it's fun, like,
your way oftravelling and how

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you choose to travelis, is directly
directly changinghow you take your
pictures, I metother people on this
track, having aportrait with them,
and having differentlenses having a
tripod and so on andso on. And I saw

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those people next tome taking pictures
and they do takethem differently.
And they do takedifferent kind of,
they just have morepossibilities. But
also they're limitedbecause their
culture is they theyalways need to go
the same way. Youknow, he can't just
make like, Okay,today I'm staying

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here just becausethe sunset is nice
now and I'm I ratherenjoy it now. And
then I continue inthe next morning in
a different way. Butwhen you have a
porter you can'tjust do that. It's
not possible. So Ithink one of the
main things isfreedom also, which
goes with myphotography, the

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freedom of, ofchoosing where to go
and what to explore.And in that case,
I'm just taking thepictures on the way
if that makes anysense.
Yeah, no, that'sthat's really
interesting. Howthat's, you know, I
know, I didAnnapurna Circuit
and I know how toughthat road is. And

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you know, if youhave no Potter and
have to carryeverything. Gosh,
like, you know, thatmust be really
difficult. Havingsaid that, I have so
much gear that Ithink I had about 18
kilogrammes I thinkthat's that's 1818
and a half on myback with my with my
camera. So I bringtwo cameras, three
lenses, and a fewother things and

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tripods and stufflike that. But yeah,
like it's by the waymy camera was never
in the back. Wellthat happens every
now and then it hasbut most of the time
it's just clip on mychairs on on on on
Peak Design. Andit's always there.
I haven't you seelike you need to

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like slowly getthere but when you
start harbourfreight you just
don't have all thisgear you need to
like kind of slowlygo through it. But
your battery neverdied like I always
needed to inside mypocket. You know,
like,
I think the problemis you had
mirrorless cameraright? And I think

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you know withespecially with the
earlier era of SonyI know that they
have they'restruggling with the
battery because it'salways running on
the LCD, right? Wellthat's the DSLR is
no problem at alllike you know I have
my five d mark fourand it's one time I
was doing time lapsein Yellowknife in
Canada it wasnegative 53 degrees

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Celsius. So it wasthe coldest actually
it was negative ornegative 4042 Like
you know four have acamera. But with the
wind chill. Forhuman, we feel it as
if it was negative53. But yeah, we it
runs for about oneand a half hours
from full all theway to empty before
it ran out, which isnot that much

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different when Itake photo in a warm
condition. So Ithink it worked
quite well. But youknow, again, DSLR,
right? It doesn'thave it doesn't need
to power the monitorto keep running.
Yeah. So you knowwhat? Something that
you very interestingthat you bring up
you. You go outthere, right, you go

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travel and a lot ofpeople that's
listening now andjust go like, Man, I
wish I have enoughslides. She She
travelled every twoyears, six, one and
a half year at atime, the first one
six months. Thesecond one is one
and a half year.Right? Is that is
that?
I think no, that wasone, but it was like
one journey, youknow, like this was
a two year journey.

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Two year journey.Right? So yeah, for
two years right now.And you mentioned
about this, aboutthe balance of
having not only thementality of you're
gonna leave for yourfamilies and your
friends behind, youcan be on the road,
right. But also thebalance with

(31:18):
financial part ofit. So I love to
hear, you know, theperspective because
I know a lot oflisteners out there
will be like, andhow do I do that?
How can I how can Ido that? Right? So
I'd love to bring itback to that and get
a little bit of yourexperience on? How

(31:39):
can one do that notonly mentally being
away, and beingalone and going out
there by yourselftrying to figure
things out, becauseI know how difficult
that could be. Butalso trying to find,
you know, pulling,saving all that
money pulling usingall that money into
yours. And thenafter the end of the

(32:02):
trip, you feel likeyou have no money I
feel like you'restudying. So how do
you go through thatjust take us through
your mindset andwhere you think,
Yeah,
I saw Oh, my God,you're talking about
a topic, this is sosensitive, you know,
like, there are likea few topics, you
know, you feelemotionally attached
to. And I noticed inthe last years, I do

(32:24):
have an emotionalattachment to money,
like it does give mea lot of security or
especiallyespecially not
security if I don'thave it. So in this
two years travel, Iwas two times
completely at zeroat zero, like I
didn't have anymoney left, none at

(32:45):
all. And the firsttime was when I
reached Canada, andthere was a problem
with my credit card.So it arrived in
Germany and my, myparents sent it over
to me to Canada. Andit didn't never
arrive. So it tooklike, not never, but
it took like threemonths until it

(33:09):
arrived. So in thethree months, I just
couldn't access anyof my funds. And I
needed to figure outanother way, you
know, so I believewhen you go out
there and you arefacing and you
don't, you're notfortunate enough to
have a lot offunding. It's, it's

(33:32):
a you need to havein mind that this
can happen to you,you know, like and
bring, like, try toput your self into a
position. Okay, whatwould you do when
this is happening?How would you? Do
you have any friendsor family members,
we could ask himthat moment to help
you out. And What'splan B, you know,

(33:53):
like, do have a planB have a heaven
security net, whichis in inverse case
take you when, forme it was my
security net was ajob. I'm avoided
which was waitingfor me in Germany.
So in any case, Ididn't know after
those two years, Ican go back to that

(34:14):
job. And I will havea monthly income
again. So that wasmy security net. So
I just neededsomehow to overcome
the two years and toget back to Germany.
This is a two thingsI needed to have.
And then everythingwould be back to
normal if that'sgood or bad.
Everybody can decideto themselves. But

(34:36):
yeah, that's that'sone point. And you
ask about like howto kind of fund this
kind of travel soit's it's a very
easy, easy task. Youare getting money
every monthhopefully and
hopefully you cansave up that money
and it's it's fromfor myself I own I

(34:59):
would say On aregular income, it's
not too much, it'snot less. And so I
can save a bit ofthat money each
month. So I knowlike, every country
is also different.Everybody gets
different money, Iguess you have a
very internationalaudience hear, which

(35:19):
is listening. In inGermany, we have a
lot of security,things, pay for
insurances, and soon and so on. But we
get also a lot ofthat back from the
state. So there isless gap for saving.
I know in America,you can have a
bigger kind ofsaving funds. But in

(35:40):
infrastructure inIndonesia, it's way
smaller about just Ican only speak from
my experience atthat point. So you
can save each fundsa little bit of
money. And then whatI did was I sold
everything, I didnot need it anymore.
So I made a completecut in my whole
life. I soldeverything, like

(36:02):
literally, I boughtalso new things
which I needed forthis journey. So I
kind of got into, Ikind of moved into
my backpack. So Ihad only a bigger
travel backpack onmy bag. And that was
everything I owned,but I made sure

(36:23):
everything I have inthere is something I
really need to getforward or to serve
a camera. So by thisI didn't say it like
this, oh my god. Butit's like, yeah,
everything had apurpose, which was
in there. But I madealso sure it's a
good kind of goodquality, which I put

(36:44):
in there or it needsit serves my
purposes for thistwo years. And I was
highly going for anadventure. And not
four in five starhotel, hop on hop
off. So especiallythe first things
visit train, youknow, where I was
explaining you, thiswas partly really

(37:07):
crazy. We had, weslept in like normal
tents. You know,like, at one point,
I was having a fullweek journey just to
go to reindeerherders in nowhere.
Like literally innowhere, I needed to
take a horse at theend for multiple
days to visit thosepeople. And it was

(37:31):
like one of the bestexperiences on my
journey in Mongolia.So but to experience
this kind of, ofoutstanding things,
you need to dooutstanding stuff,
you, you know, youneed to be aware
that there is nocomfortable that
waiting for you behappy if the ground

(37:53):
is soft, kind ofout. And you the for
example, I wasvegetarian before a
Mongolia. And then Icame to Mongolia in
the first days, Icould kind of
survive as avegetarian. But
there was one pointespecially on this
bigger journey tothe reindeer herd
herders where Icould only eat meat.

(38:17):
So it was a survivalthing to change my
diets. And at thatpoint, I was like,
okay, I can, I canliterally eat what
they just cooked forme. But it has meat
inside. And it hasmeat inside, which I
really don't like orsince forever since

(38:37):
I was even a kid.And I don't really
even like to to eatit. But I need to
eat it. Becauseotherwise the other
option is starving.There's nothing else
to eat. Like, thereis no option. So
yeah, diet, as thatwas something I
never thought aboutbefore. But I needed

(38:59):
to change it in.Yeah, to keep going.
And I really wantedto go there because
I saw pictures fromthose places. And
they resonated withme so much that I
wanted to see it wasmy own eyes and take
my own picturesthere. So yeah, it's
it was one kind of ajourney. And I'm
super happy that Idid that. And it's

(39:21):
just like oneexample of the whole
journey. You havealways moments where
you need to you veryneed to make an
uncomfortabledecision. And it has
a good part and ithas a bad part in
it. And just thosetwo together they
feel maybeuncomfortable at
this point. You arethere but later on

(39:43):
you will feel thatit was worth it. You
know, like everytime you're like how
how you did you dothis? Yeah, it's
mostly because youmade sacrifices that
leaving family andfriends behind is
maybe one thing youeasily see but
changing your dietIt's something you
don't have thoughtabout before.

(40:03):
You know, that's, Ifind that really
interesting. And Ireally love this
story. You know, I,I'm from a similar
place where I use asan engineer, you
know, I have a wholelife stop, and I
sold everything andliterally live off a
suitcase and abackpack and, and a
laptop sleeve now,right? Like, nothing
else. Like, that'sall I need, you

(40:25):
know, and that's,that's crazy to
think that you couldlive of something
that's just from asuitcase. And, you
know, it's, it'sreally interesting,
because I guess, youknow, one of the
series that, that Ijust meant it was
about that about,like, you know,
finding the solitudein nothingness and

(40:46):
so forth. But what Iwant to hear from
your perspective, isthat what what would
drive you will giveyou the courage
because to, to justdrop everything and
do this thing. Thatis, of course, it's

(41:07):
dangerous, it'sexciting, but like
you say, it can beuncomfortable, it is
unpredictable, youdon't know what it
is. And even youknow, and it costs a
lot of money, right?You actually you
sold everything to,to you sold
everything and yousacrifice not having
all of thatmaterialistic thing
for this? Well, Icould say once in a

(41:30):
lifetime, once in alifetime experience
that, you know,again, many people
might not have thechance and the
ability. So forpeople who out there
who are alreadythinking about it,
right? But they'relike, You know what,
I don't know, how amI going to live? You
know, when I selleverything that I

(41:50):
own? Who am I? Sotell us a little
bit? What goesthrough your mind?
Like what drivesyou? What makes you
want to do this?
Oh, my God? I don'tknow. I really don't
know. Like, that's,that's the question.
You know, you askyourself a song,
like, why are youdoing this? You

(42:12):
know, you're sayingI needed to go into
a hospital inMongolia? You don't
want to have thisexperience? No,
like, you're sittingthere, like, what am
I doing here? Youknow, and you will
meet people whoexactly ask you
this, ask you thesame and ask
themselves the same.And some give up,
you know, like, somecan't take it, they
go home, they needto see their family

(42:34):
and they need to seetheir friends, they
need to have thesecurity. But if you
don't go out there,you will never know.
Yeah, and I did goout 2015. I taught
you before to Nepal,after the
earthquake. And thatwas that was only
six months after theearthquake or five
months after theearthquake happened.
So it was a verydevastated scenario

(42:58):
in this country. AndI did not know that
it was my firstAsian travel ever, I
did not know what toexpect, I did not
know what is normalover there. And I
came in thiscountry, which was
completely destroyedfrom political
things, which werehappening between

(43:20):
China, India andNepal. And also this
earthquake,devastation, and
everything was noteverything, but many
things weredestroyed, you were
running through thestreets, and they
were like, bricks ofstones are just like
laying there. Therewere cracks in the
in the, in the, inthe roads, and so on

(43:43):
and so on. So forme, when I visit
Nepal, the firsttime, this was
something Iconsidered to be
normal there, but itwas not at all. It
was just myimpression I got
from my first visitever there. And it
was a time wherethere was not much
available. But youknow, coming out

(44:05):
also have anengineering job. I
think we have manythings in common.
It's so funny. I didnot know. But, um,
yeah, I'm workingalso as an engineer.
So I came out ofthis engineering
job, and I went tothis holiday and I
made a lot ofovertime before many
mate might relate tothat, you know, you
make a lot ofsacrifices in your

(44:26):
job before you havea comfortable life.
And then at onepoint, you're just
like, Okay, I'mdoing this crazy
journey. And thenyou pack a backpack
and you don't knowwhat to expect. And
then you travelthere. And finally
you're there. Andthen you notice
something and thiswas for me, you need
only three things inlife. And those
three things are youhave a roof over

(44:49):
your head, you havefood in your tummy
and you have clothesyou can wear which
are proper to theweather outside. So
those are threethings which you
really need tosurvive it, you
don't need anythingelse. This is like
the basic basicthing you need. And
from there oneverything, you can
be very, verygrateful to have,

(45:11):
you know, like, Icame back from that
journey and my eyeswere, you know,
opened wide, I waslike, I did see this
country indevastation and
people havingnothing and still be
the most warm peopleand happy people
ever. And manybecome my friends

(45:32):
back then. And I waswith them regularly
afterwards. Andnotice that when I
visited and and metthem the first time,
it was anexceptional thing
for them in theirlives as well. And
you see really likehow much they
sacrificed or neededto sacrifice or the
first pay from them.And then you just

(45:56):
see you don't needmuch to be like
frantically happyto, to just keep
thriving, what waswhat kind of things
drive you. Andeverything on top is
is an extra year younotice when you're
when you're back,that a lot of things
are just too much. Idon't know how to

(46:18):
say, but look atthings like I came
back, I opened up mydoor, I can really
feel like thisemotion I still have
in me, I opened upthe door of my flat,
and it came inside.And I had two
feelings. First ofall, it was empty.
And second of all,it was huge. It was
an empty, hugeplace. That was the

(46:40):
emotion I had when Icame home from my
one month travel.And I'll say wow,
this is crazy. Ineed to change
something. And thatmoment I came back
home from Napa formy first journey was
exactly the moment Isaid, I need to
change my life. Andthat was a moment. I

(47:00):
did No, I will, Iwill completely,
completely get ridof everything. And I
will live in mybackpack for an
uncertain amount oftime. And that was a
moment I decided todo this longer
travel, I didn'tknow at that point,
how this travelreward I will be
experiencing thenwhat came home

(47:21):
afterwards. But Ididn't know I want
to do that. And ittook still to two
years forpreparation. And for
still keeping my joband saving money and
setting everythingand so on and so on.
But, you know,eventually happens.
You just need tohave this moment
where something istriggering in your
head and you know,you need you want to

(47:44):
have actuallysomething else and
then you just needto go for it. It
takes long, like Isaid two years. From
the moment I noticedI want to change it
and I did it. Butthat's Yeah.
And that's veryinspiring. Yeah, I
mean, you know, Ithink this this is
really cool, right?One of the things
that I drive throughthe message that I

(48:07):
drive through thisthis podcast is this
whole notion aboutwe we live in a
social media worldwhere everything is
instantgratification you
get your you knowpacket right away
from Amazon, you getlikes, you post
something you getlikes, you get
commented rightaway, you get
instantgratification, but,

(48:27):
you know, for thatreason we get really
impatient to, towork towards where
we want to be. Andwhen you know when
people hear aboutthe story of you
going like sixmonths and one and a
half years, and alsolike two years when
a hobby, whatever itmay be two years I

(48:48):
yeah, I keptthinking it's like
six months and thenone and a half
years.
It's myself, youknow, I gave you
just this first sixmonths, and you only
know about that one.But we didn't talk
about the one and ahalf years. Like, we
keep that on theside. We can't talk
about this today.But I told you only

(49:09):
the first six monthsof the year, rather
and the one and ahalf years, there
were still stuffhappening, you know,
like, but the firstsix months, I think
that's when you goout and you do the
first steps. Andthere are more.
There are moretaking an impression
on your life and onyourself and on your
character.

(49:30):
Yeah, that's yourthat's your biggest
change. Right.That's the biggest
drive that thatchanged where you're
going with yourlife, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.I and you know,
like, that's what Iwas gonna say,
right? It's, youknow, a lot of
people kind of hearthat and then be
like, well, youknow, you know,
you're in Germanyand you know, like

(49:51):
you you're anengineer and you're,
you know, of courseyou you have the
money to go outthere but you say to
yourself, it tookyou two yours to
save everything toput everything in
line. And I trulybelieve that it
doesn't matter whereyou are in this
world that if youfind a way and you

(50:12):
work towards it,there is a way to
get there. I knowmore, some people
are more privilegedthan others write
for us to live in afirst world country,
you as in Australia,Europe, it's, it's
much moreaccessible. But you
know, this just goesto you to show that
even if you work in,you know, in if you

(50:33):
live in, or if youcome from this first
world country, it'snot easy. There's a
lot of process toget there. So,
thanks a lot forsharing that. I
think that's reallyimportant to hear
for the audienceright now.
You're welcome.
I'm intrigued withyour other project,
which was, you know,something that you

(50:56):
can you can you canintroduce, but what
once you introduceit, what I want you
to talk about is,why you're doing it
and why you're goingto this places
connecting with thepeople to do this
project.
Okay, so the verysecret project I

(51:17):
told you about isI'm working on a big
project, which iseventually ending in
in, in a format,which will be a
book, like at leastout of the current
perspective. Andit's a research
project about tribaltattoos of the Tarot
tribe, the Tarot areliving on the border

(51:41):
of Nepal and India,mostly on the Nepali
side. And this sideis not like
everybody thinksabout Nepal of the
prayer flags and thebig mountains. So
Nepal has alsojungle and it's a
low altitudes, canyou say low
altitude? It's verylow. It's not high

(52:02):
up in it's a it's areal jungle, like
you would imaginethe jungle to be
there are tigersthere monkeys
airliners andcrocodiles, and so
on, and so on. Soyou have all this
wildlife there. Andit's very well
known. So people whogo tracking they
also go to the shipby national park, or

(52:22):
Bardia National Parkin Nepal, and they
just go for entiresearch or whatever,
and probably theydon't see you on
You're very lucky.Anyhow, it's, it's
one of the thingsyou can do there as
tourists. So Idon't, I know why,

(52:45):
but I know how soit's a little bit
confusing. Life issometimes not going
as planned, youknow, like, and
especially not as weexpect. So what
happened is when Iwent to Nepal, the
second time in 2017,so I flew over from
NASA to Nepal. Therewas a moment a
friend asked me totake a picture of

(53:08):
him on the I thinkit was one week
ahead, you asked mecan you take a
picture of me? I'mlike, Yeah, sure.
What, what's itabout? And he's
like, getting a headtattoo. And I'm
like, you're gettingone. And he's like,
I'm getting a hairtattoo. I'm getting
my hair tattoos.Like, seriously,
like, what helooked, he looked

(53:28):
normal. You knowwhat, that was a
normal guy. And hehad hair on his
head. I was like,you gotta you saved
all. And he's like,yes. Okay, well, he
has all this, yes,I'm doing that I'm
down. It's so crazy.I was not believing
it. I was notbelieving it. And I
saw him like, allsaved off and

(53:50):
getting the statueand I was so
impressed on howthis tattoo artist
was working. Duringthis tattoo, and all
like he was soconcentrated, he
could see like avery focused energy
going into his art,what he was doing
there, and my friendbeing actually just

(54:12):
like, just like,being an American,
you know, like, hewas like, completely
off. He was justlike getting this
tattoo, you know,that was his only
purpose to be there.But I was more and
more like, veryimpressed on how
this artist actuallywas working. So this
was my firstintroduction into a

(54:32):
tattoo. I would sayI didn't have any
tattoos. I didn'thave anything to do
as tattoos at thatpoint. And there was
a big TattooConvention around
that happening. So Iwas three days at
this TattooConvention and it
was like a more likekind of family based
kind of things soeverybody didn't
know each other. SoI'm coming into this
very close circleand experiencing

(54:56):
that and I switchedfrom taking pictures
to videos, and Iactually finished
the complete videoabout this tattooing
process he got onhis head, and was
very happy aboutwhat I just
captured. It wasalso the first time
I experienced toactually capture
video and cutting itdown and making a

(55:17):
whole movie out ofit. So like from
scratch, and it wasjust inspired in
that moment ithappened, you know,
like, it was notnothing planned or
anything. So, comingto the actual topic
of my secret is Iwhen I was in 2017,
there I, I came toknow those people

(55:42):
and I returned toNepal. And she says
19 and I met thesame people again.
So those wholecommunity of artists
and I have mentionedthis one tattoo shop
and they had like amagazine there and I
looked through thatmagazine, it was a
local one. So aboutthe Nepali Indian
tattoo culture. AndI found this one

(56:04):
article, which wastalking about travel
touches of theTarot. And that was
the first reallymajor moment I
actually saw thosetattoos and the the
next things next, Iwent through sheet
one national park,and when you go into
the Chitwan NationalPark, and you are
going on yourself,so you take a lot, a

(56:26):
lot of paths, andyou take it took
took to go actuallyinto the jungle, but
you know, you'rereally squeezed in
this little tip tookand it happened to
be that one womanwas sitting in the
squeeze and let herticktick just cross
of my seat. And shehad those beautiful

(56:46):
tattoos on her, youknow, and I couldn't
talk to her she wastalking not my
languages. I was nottalking her
languages. So wedidn't have a common
language, or acceptsign language. Sign
Language, by theway, is a very good
investment to do. Idon't mean the
really technicalside language. I
mean, like, try tocommunicate only

(57:08):
with your facialexpressions and your
body. And you'recoming so much
further in trouble.I tell you, this is
safe. This is thisis a pure alpha
right now that'sthat's a sign
language. But I wasjust like smiling at
her and pointing ather tattoos and

(57:29):
like, kind of intoher body. And she
went off at onestation very soon.
So I only asked herto take a picture.
And she said it'sokay, so I took a
picture of hertattoo. And that was
a very first pictureI took of taro
tattoo. And thatmoment in 2019, I

(57:52):
went back to my jobin Germany, and I
was only back inJuly. And you can't
believe it or not.And that is a moment
where we are again,at that point light.
When you havesomething here
online, you reallywant to do it. That
is a way that thisis happening. It's
somehow magic. Butit just hasn't been

(58:13):
19 October already.I took the full
October off. So Ijust came back, I
was back basicallybankrupt. I was on
at zero in July. Andin October, I took a
long travel againand into the Stangl
I didn't even haveunpaid time, where I
didn't even gotmoney in and I took

(58:34):
all the savings Ihad to them. And as
was just like threemonths, August,
September, threemonths, so only the
money I could sayfrom three months,
and I took it all.And I spend it in
another month. Andthat month, I only
research about Tarottribal tattoos,
there was somethinghappening in this

(58:57):
trip took, I can'treally explain. And
I just connectedwith me. And you
need to understandthat this woman
there are all olds,they're all old. So
the youngergeneration or even
the generation of myage, they don't do
this kind oftattooing anymore.

(59:18):
And it's superunderstandable. If
you go into theprocess or how
they're doing it,it's very painful
and so on and so on.And they do it out
of it, they do italso very young and
in it'sunderstandable kind
of that thistradition is not
continued anymore.So just to go from

(59:41):
that point, like Iwas sitting at home
and I thought like,How can I save this
kind of designs? Youknow, how can I I
kind of documentthis tradition in a

(01:00:02):
way, which isrespectful and can
open a world toother people, which
don't virtuallynever come in
contact with anybodyfrom the tribe, you
know, they can eventhe tribe itself,
like youngergenerations, how can
they actually haveaccess to their own
tradition of like 10years later, they

(01:00:23):
want to actuallylearn something
about this, but allthe older woman are
dead, you know, thisis a very sad kind
of drive I hadthere. So and time
is running out onthis project, you
know, like at onepoint like other
tattooed woman, theywill be not not
living on this earthanymore. So then

(01:00:43):
tattoo culture willalso the rest of
their corporateculture will also be
dying off. And thisis not only
specifically totarot tattooing,
like, all the tribesin the world are
facing the sameproblem. There are
just a few like theMaori tattooing, or
the Hawaiiantattooing, which is

(01:01:04):
surviving, also somePolynesian Get, get
the attention of theWestern world, you
know, and that is, Ithink one of the key
elements is not onlythe Western word,
but you need to kindof present it in a
way that people arefalling in love is

(01:01:24):
this magic, or thistradition and this
designs, and thenasking themselves,
why don't wecontinue doing this,
maybe not in theexact same state
like it was donebefore, but like
improving it alittle bit, and
continuing it, and
keep it alive, andthen recognising it

(01:01:47):
as a part of theirtheir own cut short.
And you can seethere, so like a lot
of levels inside ofthis. So I went
there in October,and took my camera
with me and look atShelley pictures in
a kind of ExpeditionI, I organised it

(01:02:09):
myself, and did notknow what to expect
there. I actuallywent there. And I
did not even knowwhere to start
searching or how toapproach or how this
should look like.And it was baby
steps are baby stepsand baby steps. And
I went again and didanother research.

(01:02:29):
And it's it's veryinteresting, it's
coming together, Ifound, I would say
over 100 womanhaving different
kinds of designs,found many
explanations stillbeing in their hats
have like themeaning behind it.
Like so whichelements have a what

(01:02:51):
meaning what theystand for, why they
got tattooed, and soon, and so on. And
many stories alsoare about like how
they got tattooed.In I did to now only
a photographyproject out of it.
And like a storybased approach. But
for sure, there'slike so much more to

(01:03:14):
explore, you know,like, also maybe on
a video base and soon. But the entire
tribe is very big,and they have
different styles oftattooing as well.
So this project isreally a big
project. And, yeah,it's very, very
challenging,especially because
he wants to be notdisrespectful to the

(01:03:39):
people themselves.And you want to
preserve it in a ina very respectful
way. And, yeah, notI don't know how to
say that. But it'sa, for me, it's a
very delicate topicon on, not
pressuring them intoanything, but still

(01:04:01):
at the same time,trying to preserve
as much as there ispossible and as much
as I can understandas a person, which
is not from thattribe. That which is
a very big factor.You know, like I'm
coming as anoutsider into the
culture and tryingto understand it,
and nobody can tellme if I ever will

(01:04:23):
understand it, youknow, like, there is
always a gap. I havea translator or tool
with me and I needto rely on them. I
do have a tattooartist I met they're
in, in the in thisarea in the shade
one area, and he'salso from that
tribe. So I took himwith me on one of

(01:04:43):
those expeditionsand to have somebody
with me I can trustand rely on and also
at the same timehave him experience
his own culture. IfBefore I came, he
was not interestedin this tattoos, you
know, this is, thisis one of the big

(01:05:06):
tabs, which I findis really? Yeah, it
makes me happy thata tattoo artists
from the same tribeis actually being
interested in hisown culture and
understanding atslowly
understanding. Yeah.
Yeah, I think hejust, I think he
just changed hislife, to be honest,

(01:05:27):
I'm sure. Ever sincethat, you know, he
would never do sayit. But it's so
interesting, right?How, and I think
it's really cool.How you, you
approach this, and Iknow, there's a lot
of things are dyinghere in our planet,
you know, whetherit's culture,
history, even a lotof environment.
Yeah, animals, youknow, like, even the

(01:05:49):
ice is disappearing.Right? So yes, it's,
it's, you know,like, I feel like
when we look atphotography, you
know, many peopleare looking at it as
a way to just takephoto and get likes
on Facebook, andInstagram and
Twitter. But in manycases, we owe it to
the world to capturethese moments and be

(01:06:11):
able to preserve itfor generations to
come. And, you know,that it's, it's why,
like, you know, whenwhen people only
care about thelikes, it kind of
breaks my heartbecause I feel like
there are more to itthan than that. But,
man, it's what awhat a story. It's
just so so you haveso much more story,
I'm sure withinyour, you know, two

(01:06:32):
years. So, yeah,because you talk
about a lot of thesix month. But
anyway, we come intothe one hour mark,
and, you know, I'msure you have a lot
of wisdom. And onething that I always
ask the guests thatcome into the
podcast is, youknow, what, what are
one of the mostimportant or one of

(01:06:54):
the most importantor that lesson that
you have come acrossin your life that
you feel like, morepeople out there
should preach itshould Curie and
should do it?
So I stay on thatone on the
photography side ofthings, I guess. And

(01:07:17):
I mean, it's oftensaid, and mostly
overlooked, orpeople don't want to
have it for real,but your technical
equipment does notsay anything about
the quality of yourphotography. So yes,
the quality output,indeed does change

(01:07:38):
with your equipment.But going out there
and taking thepicture, actually,
which is there andexperiencing
something throughyour photography,
and making itavailable to other
person, it does notmatter if you go out
with a point andclick film camera,
or you take theAlpha 6000, you

(01:08:00):
know, and go out andgo into the
mountains and shootMount Everest, why
not? And I mean, I'msuper happy, I could
upgrade in this yearto a full frame
camera and muchnicer lands. But the
start in thehistory, I have this

(01:08:20):
my old camera andwith my lower gear,
it's something Idon't want to miss.
And it shows me thatthere is so much
possible with theequipment you have.
Because what youhave and where you
are right now iswhat counts, you
know, don't dreamabout, like, oh, I
need to have thatextra one I need to

(01:08:42):
don't also need togo to Greenland or
to Iceland, orwhatever. You can go
out here and justtry to improve your
photography on atechnical side and
the creative side orjust see your own
city or your ownlandscape around
behind your door,you know, in a
different, differentand new way. show

(01:09:03):
the world how yousee the world. I
guess. That's one ofthe major things I
learned in the lastyears. Yeah.
Wow, that's I mean,you know, like, I
think that's a lotof people have seen
it. But I think notenough people also
say that becausestill to this to

(01:09:25):
this day, a lot ofpeople kind of only
thing that in orderto take beautiful
Grand photos, youneed to go to places
so far away. And Ithink if that is
your mindset, youare missing a lot of
things, capturing alot of moments you
missing capturing alot of moments that

(01:09:45):
actually happeningright in front of
you, but becauseyour site is so far
away, you you misseverything, right.
Well, you know, it'sbeen a pleasure.
Thank you very muchfor being here.
Thank you very muchfor sharing your
stories and yoursThe group project,
it's my site, thankyou so much for

(01:10:06):
inviting me, it wasa real pleasure to
talk about all thesethings in that way,
you know, don't geta chance too often,
to talk about it inthis kind of depth,
especially in thefoot. On the
photography side, sothank you for giving
me this opportunity.
And your percent.And it's, you know,

(01:10:26):
it's one of themission of this
podcast, but also,you know, hope a lot
of a lot oflisteners can learn
from what you'vegone through and
some of the thingsthat you've gone
through and I fromwhat I've seen is
that people, most ofus kind of go
through a similarprocess, right? And
it's why we connectwith each other

(01:10:47):
very, very well,because we connect
in that sort oflevel. So yeah, very
much you appreciatevery much appreciate
that you share a lotof this story. Now
for the people whowant to get to know
you better, what isthe best way to find
you and your futureproject? I know
you're working on aon an NFT project as
well in the future.So just what is the

(01:11:09):
best way to learnfrom about you and
learn about yourart?
And so the best waywould be to follow
me on Twitter, Iguess, or just drop
me there in DM, ifyou want to talk to
me, like my DMs arealways open. And I'm
actually you're hereright now. So I'm

(01:11:31):
very open toconversations. So
just drop me amessage indeed on on
Twitter, evenInstagram, it's
totally fine. Itgoes with my first
name and surname. Soin Agra Xiao all
together on bothplatforms, you can
also write me anemail, actually. But
they're all linkedon my bio side,

(01:11:53):
which is linked oneach of the socials.
And yes, indeed, youtook something away,
I am working on thelast little bits of
putting my NFTcollection together,
it will be myGenesis. And it will
be part of what wetalked today a lot
not about the secretproject, though,
that that demand isnot finished, but

(01:12:15):
about the journeyand bring many
elements of thatjourney to the
people and to makeit more accessible.
Because there's somuch in here, which
happened in the lasttwo years, and I
kind of want to usethe medium off the
nfts. To, to Yeah,just make people

(01:12:35):
aware about whathappened. What can
happen on a journey?Or what happened to
my journey?
That is fantastic.Yeah, I
think a lot ofpeople on Twitter.
Yeah, though, Ithink people should
really share a lotmore of their
journey and youknow, like, what,
what they've gonethrough what's gone
through theirjourney. So Well,

(01:12:57):
thank you very muchfor being here.
Thank you very muchfor sharing all the
stories now we gethunters, if you
haven't come acrossin his work yet,
please do followher, you can find
the link on thedescription below.
But with that beingsaid, thank you for
being here. Andlistening to us, you
know, having thisconversation
listening to isstories about her

(01:13:19):
travel andincredible, like,
you know,exploration to some
of the culture thatmight not going to
be here in in, in afew years time. You
know, I think a lotof us need to
realise that a lotof the things that
that we've beentaking things for

(01:13:40):
granted that a lotof the things that
are happening andare in this world
right now isdisappearing,
whether it'sculture, like I say
an animal, you know,whatever it may be.
So go out there gotravel like inner
said, you know, takethe courage to do
that. And go exploreand see what you can
find out there. Ithink there's a lot

(01:14:02):
more place in thisworld you can
explore away fromInstagram, Twitter,
Facebook, and youknow, whatever in
your computer and onyour phone. Well,
you know, thank youvery much for being
here again. And withthat being said we
can do is I'll seeyou on next episode.
And don't forget tohit the subscribe
button as well asleave a review. Let

(01:14:23):
us know what youlike about this
podcast about in hiswork, or her story
as well as if youknow anyone that
you'd like to hearfrom the podcast.
Alright, you know,thank you very much
and I'll see younext time.

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