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Can Vin Diesel's immortal witch hunter really save the day, or is the plot just as cursed? Join us as we kick off with a hilarious yet critical review of "The Last Witch Hunter." We uncover everything from the witch queen's outrageous claims about the Black Plague to the puzzling presence of her immortal heart. Elijah Wood's mysterious character and the possibility of a sequel also come under our comedic scrutiny as we explore the deep historical roots of the witch cult.

Next, imagine a world where Samuel L. Jackson, John Travolta, and Vince Vaughn join forces, with cameos by Snoop Dogg and Kurt Angle. That's right—we're casting our dream movie and debating the impact of iconic actors like Ian McShane and Wesley Snipes as members of a more formidable witch council. Reminiscing about Jack Nicholson playing the devil in an 80s classic, we ponder how elements from "What We Do in the Shadows" could spice things up. 

Finally, we take a nostalgic trip back to 1987 with "The Witches of Eastwick," celebrating Jack Nicholson's devilish charm. Our spirited discussion covers everything from lackluster fight scenes to the unique powers of witches, while humorously questioning plot twists and character motivations. We even imagine how the film might have been better received in the 90s, wrapping up with a longing for more fun and humor in the fantasy genre. Tune in for a candid and entertaining critique that leaves no spell unbroken.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
No, not necessarily you ready.
Alright, welcome back to theBackseat Critics.
My name is Andrew.
Okay, you ruined it actually,because technically, we're
supposed to say what we're goingto review first, and you didn't

(00:23):
do that because that's what youwanted to do for cold openings,
but no, you just wanted to diveright in, but that's okay it's
gonna be so weird when I cut allof this out yeah, sure, sure
anyways all right, this is apodcast where we review movies
that you should steer clear of,and today we're talking about
2015's the last witch hunter, afantasy action movie directed by

(00:51):
breck eisner, written by corygoodman, matt savama savama the
burke sharpless and based on theDungeons and Dragons campaigns
of Vin Diesel's Melkor the WitchHunter.
Those are some wiki facts foryou.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Wika wika wo.
What if somebody actuallyedited those?
You know how you can do that inwiki, or can you not do that
anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:20):
You can.
I believe it's vetted though.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Like it's a little bit more.
They've actually done theirresearch.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, you have to have like sources for it or I.
So I don't don't quote me onthis, but I believe if you, if
you make an edit or a change andyou don't have a source for it,
it's removed.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
I think it's like 30 or 60 days out so I can't go on
there and say Andrew has a fifthnipple anymore, and that'd be
just factual.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Andrew.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Garfield.
Sure, you know the Andrew fromthe back.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Wait fifth, that took you a second, why don't you
introduce yourself for theaudience there?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Oh, I'm RJ.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
So fantastic.
Um, this is a.
This is this movie.
Marge it Fantastic.
This is this movie we're goingto start off.
This movie is a movie.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Congratulations, I'm so happy.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
They've met the requirements Two hours.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, it's not even two hours, it's an hour and 46.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
You know let's, let's go to the chase.
One minute summary.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Oh wow.
First you take the intro, thenyou point at me to do a
one-minute summary.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
All right, am I going .

Speaker 1 (02:41):
And go.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
So Mr Vin Diesel is a witch hunter.
He gets cursed, and now he hasto.
He gets cursed by a witch wherehe can't die, and so he spends
the rest of his life trying tohunt a witch.
The witch that cursed him comesback to life 800 years later
and tries to kill him, uncurseshim, and Vin Diesel saves the

(03:02):
day and still kills her.
Yes, that's exactly whathappens.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
You've still got 30 seconds left, my guy.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
I just want to take this time to say thank you to
Rob for believing in me.
Koss, keep being Koss.
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Am I past the minute yet?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
You are Okay, fantastic, and shout out to me
for just being me Cool you did ashameless plug.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
There.
Is that a shameless plug?

Speaker 1 (04:12):
yeah I'm not even gonna follow through with it
because you're like oh crap, youcaught me you got weird, it got
weird.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
So apparently this witch queen started the Black
Plague, Supposedly.
I don't even know what kind ofBlack Plague was she starting,
Because this one has like a lotof swarms of bugs.
I guess there probably was alot of bugs around during that
time period.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
But she had a fascination with bugs.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, no, like this is supposed to be.
Like the plague, like thebubonic plague, oh, I know, I
think I feel like this is morelike correlation than causation.
She said some weird words andthen a plague happened, but
there's really no connectionbetween the two.
She's just claiming credit,she's just, she's just out there

(05:13):
, just like yeah, uh, the plague.
I, I definitely did that yeahyeah, you know joan of arc
murdered.
Yeah, I did that too.
I put a curse on her.
You know, I've got a girlfriendin another state.
This is what the witch is doing.
This is where she's operating.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
She weighs as much as a duck.
She does weigh as much as aduck.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
And she doesn't burn.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, she does.
Her heart doesn't burn.
Her heart does not burn.
Burn as we find out because Ithink you saw in the beginning
it burns like after they do theflashback.
They find out that her heartburns and that they actually
save the, the heart in the end.

(06:02):
You know, to bring her back,her back.
Yeah, Cause that's all youreally need.
It's just her heart, not hereyes or her face, just a beating
heart.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Just a beating heart.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
That's all you need.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Um interesting choice .

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Just to have a beating heart, just a beating
heart Like that's.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
that's the villain of the movie.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
The beating heart.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
The beating heart.
That heart, the beating heart,that has a curse over, not a
curse, but, I guess, a grip overelijah wood, whose parents were
witches, right?
Um, my, my question is how deepdoes this cult following go,
for which is, 700 years later,to still just be like, yeah,

(06:43):
we're, we're gonna praise her,we're?
We're gonna we're gonna do alittle seance.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
We're gonna make sure that she's coming back and that
new york city becomes the setof I am legend so you think that
they could have done a secondmovie of this then, where they
could have gone to multiple?

Speaker 1 (07:03):
others.
They are working on one.
Are they really they're workingon a sequel?
Is vin diesel even gonna playit?
I hope not.
You know, okay, no, no, no,first off, first off, who?
Let's swap the actors, swap theactors, yeah, who you swapping?
Who you swapping, who youswapping?
I'll tell you what.

(07:24):
I'll go first.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
I was thinking about this while we were watching the
movie, because Vin Diesel doesnot have the charisma.
Weirdly enough, the most actinghe did is when he was back and
forth with Michael Caine.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
I felt like the rest of it.
He was just like dry and likegenerally just uninterested.
But for somebody to be kind ofinteresting in this movie
they're going to be wild,they're going to be loud,

(07:58):
they're going to be bald.
I'm going to go with SamuelJackson.
He might be too old when thiscame out.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
No.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
No, he could still do it.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I don't know if I would we still have Sylvester
Stallone running.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Look at those expendable movies and tell me
that Samuel L Jackson is too old.
What stunts, what stunts andaction scenes Did Vin Diesel do
in here?
That a young person?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Here's the thing, though Sylvester Stallone is
rocky, he's Italian stallion.
So, so you can't.
He's.
He is uh going to be doingstunts till the day he dies.
Samuel, I don't know.
I just feel like he's just tooold for the role there's.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
There's like a 10, 15 year, year difference between
them.
That's not much.
How?

Speaker 2 (09:03):
old, do you think Vin Diesel is?
He's probably in his mid-50snow.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
No, samuel L Jackson could pull it off.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
No, you know what why ?

Speaker 1 (09:15):
are you being a party pooper?

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I just see him in those commercials with Spike Lee
and Charles Barkley.
I just don't think he's doingit.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
I think he's too worried about his credit cards.
I'm thinking what is Vin Dieselworried about here?
Because clearly it's not acting.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Give me you know what , If I'm going to change him out
.
I think there's only one actorthat I'd change him out for.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
A shaved John Travolta.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
No, yes, really You're saying John Travolta.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
John Travolta.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
But let me get this straight Samuel L Jackson too
old.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Too old.
I want John Travolta, who'sprobably the same age as Samuel
L Jackson.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
We're going to fact check that.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, same age, yeah, but I'd probably, if we're
going to go that route, I'dprobably go John Travolta.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
But that's not my pick to change out.
Okay, who are you changing itwith?
I think, as you're Googling.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
No, I'm just looking at the actors real quick and I
actually enjoy most of thecharacters when I look back on
this.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
And who plays?

Speaker 2 (10:25):
like the Bilal guy, mm-hmm, Like the only thing I
could think of is like I likedhim.
Actually, that guy he had likea backwards to him, like
Louisiana backwards guy.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
What are you talking about?
The Bilal Bilal Bilal?
I think no, he was dry.
He should have leaned more intoit.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Sure, sure, I think.
If you were going to change him, there's only one person I
would change him with, and he'sdead.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
But Samuel L Jackson's too old.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
The guy died at a young age.
When did he die?
He died last year, two yearsago.
Well, who?
His name is Bray Wyatt.
He's a WWE wrestler.
He played a backwoods cultleader.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
So Samuel L Jackson.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
I just don't see it.
I just don't see it in thismovie.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
I don't see a dead wrestler making that fit.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
No, I mean he plays just as Bilal, but he'll just be
a little bit more backwoodsy,cultish.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
And Jackson would be playing the witch hunter.
Just a little bit moreinteresting.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
You said Wesley Snipes.
Oh no, Maybe no.
You said Wesley Snipes If we'redoing.
Wesley Snipes.
Oh no, maybe no.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
If we're doing Wesley Snipes, the whole movie needs a
rewrite.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
This whole movie would need a rewrite for Samuel
L Jackson, this whole movieneeds a rewrite anyways, but
that's beside the point.
I just don't see Samuel LJackson in that role.
I just can't see it.
I don't see it making it better.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
You're so busy being a contrarian.
It's going to be like RJ's theguy and you're like, wow,
today's such a nice day and he'slike it's okay.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Have you seen Snakes?

Speaker 1 (12:08):
on the Plane.
Yes, everyone has seen Snakeson the Plane.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
You just changed this to Snakes on the Witch Hunter A
better movie.
Witches on a plane.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
See, now we're getting closer now we're getting
closer with Samuel L Jacksonnah just admit it no, I just
don't see him anywhere here thisis the guy that you'd be like
wow, this ice cream is prettygood.
And he's like nah, I likeeating gravel.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I disagree with this.
I disagree with that statementtoo, but that's okay.
I I don't think I can changeanybody really come on anyone

(13:09):
give me.
So that Max guy, you know theguy that the shop owner yeah, is
blind.
Yeah, put in like Chris.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Tucker, you know the guy that, the shop owner.
Yeah, who's blind.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, put in like Chris Tucker.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
I'm game for that.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Or Chris Rock.
No, chris Tucker, give me ChrisTucker.
Okay, I want Chris Tucker.
Put in Chris Tucker there and Ithink that gives me a little
bit more of a comedic character.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Okay, In there Was it throwing.
Some Chris Tucker, some SamuelL Jackson.
No, samuel L Gives me a littlebit more of a comedic character.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Okay, in there Was it throwing some Chris Ducker,
some Samuel L Jackson.
No, samuel L Jackson in this.
No, he's.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
No, the only thing that would make it is just his
clout, his name alone, over VinDiesel.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
What does Vin Diesel bring in other than his name?
I don't know.
You're a Vin Diesel hater.
Yes, you're anti-Vin Diesel.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
I am.
I'm sure he's a great guy.
I'm sure he's a nice guy.
He's really not Okay.
Actually, yeah, no, I think Icorrected that is true.
If the rumors do, he's a primadon.
Corrected, that is true.
If the rumors are true, he's aprima donna.
That is true.
So he's not even a decent dude.

(14:26):
I just All he is, all he is.
He's a butthole and he's got aname to him.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
There's probably somebody that could play it
better.
Like Samuel L Jackson know, I'drather see john travolta.
No, yeah, no, yeah, crazy.
John travolta is excellentcrazy.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
John travolta is not good I love crazy john travolta
have you seen him in thatstalker movie?
I saw him in swordfish no,watch him in that recent stalker
movie.
I'm trying to remember what itis um.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
He plays like a john if he played the character that
he did in be cool, better moviehold up the fanatic I haven't
seen that.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Garbage.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Actually, you know what this movie needs somewhere.
I'm not going to lie.
If this actor was in it, it'ssomewhere.
I don't know where you can puthim anywhere, vince.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Vaughn, we make it a buddy cop.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Putting Vince Vaughn somewhere.
Vince Vaughn, samuel Jackson,no.
The Last Witch Hunters you giveme that, or you put it in
another the shop owner againSnoop two on the nose.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
It'd been fantastic, though two, no, it'd been
fantastic two on the nose, giveme Snoop two on the nose,
snoop's fun and now we're just,we're just going to like oh it's
, what celebrities can we getcameos in for?
That's what it kind of is inthis movie I feel like what
celebrities are cameos?
Who you?

Speaker 2 (16:07):
gonna who you gonna take out?
You can't take out michael cain.
No, michael cain's good elijahwood was kind of good.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Okay, he's entertaining okay, okay, so,
outside of vin diesel, elijahwood rose, leslie, I think
Leslie, I think she deliveredpretty well Rose.
Leslie.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Right.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Who else?
I mean the Witch.
What's the actor's name?
Without looking?
Without looking, I alreadylooked at it.
Okay, other than the Witch,other than those five people I
listed, who else is in this?

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, that's it.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
I mean, we got to think, though, is that all the?
Rest would just be a cameocharacters, but that's not even
kurt angles in it he doesn'tcount.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
No, he doesn't have the status I guess if you're
gonna make somebody like incharge of the witch, you know if
you made um some people incharge of the witch council.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
If the witch council is more in this movie, I think
this movie could have been a lotbetter too I agree they needed
more presence there was only onescene where they're really in
it yeah, when they're puttingthe guy in prison and they have
a little like somebody couldhave been that guy too.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
The robot, no, the little, the little dude that
they all jayam.
That actually might work.
I was thinking of the guy fromAmerican Gods, but that works
too.
The leprechaun from AmericanGods.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
I have not seen.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Oh, you'd probably really enjoy that show.
Well, oh, what's his face?
Blackbeard.
Oh uh, ian McShane.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Ian McShane.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
He could have been.
He should be on the council.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Wesley Snipes should have been on the council tackle
a kid here.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Let's just start going for what we do in the
shadows, guys.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Alright, let's just turn this into what we do in the
shadows, but with witches thatcould actually be fun do you
remember that old um, I think itwas just called witches.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
It was like an 80s movie where the kids where they
turn into like rats or whateverno, then it wasn't the witches.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
What is it called?
Jack nicholson was like the thedevil, and he converted a bunch
of women to be witches oh wow,I've never heard of this movie
and then at the end he's like a20-foot jack nicholson just
lurking about what?

Speaker 2 (18:24):
yeah, I've never watched this movie.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Okay, I am quite intrigued by this which is of
eastwick which is of eastwickyeah, real movie interesting
yeah, at the, at the he's, he'sa devil and at the very, very
end he's like 20 feet tall andthe witches are trying to defeat

(18:48):
him.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Is that what it is, or they?
Yeah they just like we're donewith this beelzebub yeah on
there.
Wow, he looks really bad there.
Yeah, interesting it's.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
I'm trying to see if there's a picture of him
full-size too.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
That is.
That might be a future episode.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Because, yeah, he plays like a playboy, like a
handsome playboy, and then hejust evolves.
This is how he starts the movie.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
So, oh, here, here it is, here's a what is?
That.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Okay, that is a giant , jack Nicholson.
That is a future episode ofBackseat Critics.
Yeah, coming soon, possiblyduring the Halloween season.
Check out Witches of Eastwick,yeah 1987.
1987 Backseat Critics episode.
I don't even know how you raninto that, but okay.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
This is what I'm telling you.
I have not seen a lot of movies, but the movies I have seen are
out there.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I'm intrigued, tickle me intrigued.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I'll tickle you any day, me Way to make it weird
Weird.
So his life is tied to the thewitch's heart.
Yeah, the witch's heart dies.
He's still alive and he's, intheory, supposed to die.

(20:31):
Yeah, and the Witch's Council,I guess, knows this.
Can we talk about this for asecond?
Mm-hmm, they don't reallyestablish much with the Witch's
Council outside of it's someAvengers-type initiative with
one Avenger and they're likethey're like SHIELD yeah, that's

(20:54):
how I'm getting at it.
I guess they're like they'relike shield yeah, that that's
how I'm getting at it, I guess.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
So they're like shield, where they kind of do
things dirty yeah a little bit,or they, they.
Now they've made it to do dirtythings, but at first they
weren't so dirty in thebeginning I mean does michael
king know about the heart.
Did he know about it?

Speaker 1 (21:12):
It sounded like he was suspicious, because it
sounded like he was going tostab the heart to put Vin Diesel
out of his way.
I keep wanting to say VinceVaughn.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, do you really want to kill this guy, though, I
guess, and also, why didn'tthey have a better place to lock
it?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Other than some rocks under the ground.
Yeah, like, like it was like inthe sewage system like why
don't you have it like in a safethat's like vaulted, and you
have to have this access codeand you have to have a special
key.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
You know there's three people in the world with a
part of a key and they all livein different parts of the world
and now you have to go to the.
Now we're getting to a movieyes, and now you have to go to
the Now we're getting to a movieand now you have to go to each
place to kill the person and getthe key, and they all live One
person's in Africa.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
One person's in Australia, another person's in,
I don't know, europe, russia.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Russia, north Pole Fiji.
Doesn't matter, canadasomewhere, alaska, and you have
to go to these parts and youhave to try to kill them to get
the key, this part of the key,and then also there's like a
code, there's a special code,you gotta know.
Yeah, I mean, come on, I canmake something really safe, but

(22:29):
no, they don't no, they, they.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
well, we would get actually kind of interesting
movie at that point.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
But they know that there's witches going after
these keys, or that Bilalthere's witch Bilal is going
after.
Is it a witch or would it be awarlock for him?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
For dudes.
I think it's a warlock.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
So you have this warlock going after these keys?
Yeah, so why don't you stop thewarlock dude?
That doesn't make any sense,like why don't you make that the
movie?

Speaker 1 (23:04):
I mean, I don't know, I like below, I like that
character actually I don't knowI'm, I'm down for the whole like
mcguffin thing of like let's,let's just get a bunch of keys
like, everybody has a key yeahyou have a key, you have a key.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
It don't matter one, our keys work, both of them yeah
, they don't have to be combined, they just just anything other
than this, I think I.
I start to lose interest inthis movie after it gets to the
bar, like after the bar scene,like after the first part where

(23:38):
Bilal actually pops up, becauseit's still a little mysterious,
still some questions, but onceBilal pops up, like things clear
up fast.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I think for me it goes in waves.
I lost interest after after hegave Actually it was shortly
after.
Remember when he gives ElijahWood the 20 bucks and he goes to
the apartments and he chaseddown that dude.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Okay, once that's done, I lose interest for a
while.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
That apartment scene was kind of cool because it
piques you for a second actually.
Yeah, he walks through and hegoes wait, there's three bugs
here.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
And then all of a sudden it's like some sort of
like witch.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, everything just kind of devolves and there's
like writing on the walls andstuff like that the windows blow
out.
Yeah, that was cool.
That was cool, never reallydone again in the movie.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
No.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Never really touched on again.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
It's just Some of the magic in.
It was actually kind of cool,like the effects for it.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
The effects were kind of cool.
They A lot of one-offs.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Just the way some of the Like the whole bar magic was
kind of cool but they had goingaround there.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Some of the fights there some of the fights with.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Some of the magic is in.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
It was kind of cool man, could you make out anything
in those fight scenes?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
all the fight scenes were like two seconds the bar
one no, it was still too closecombat yeah, but you could kind
of see like when he made theforce field.
I saw, I mean he made a forcefield.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
When I'm watching a fight, let me see the fight, Let
me see the choreography and thework that went into it.
I don't need to see this quickchops of someone going.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I don't know.
I made it out for that.
It was more when they did the.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
You made it out like you saw who won.
We all saw who won, but whatare they doing?
What is the fight itself?

Speaker 2 (25:38):
I think the fights when he has the swords and those
sorts of things are where itwas bad, like when it was down
in the cave or down in the no,the fist fights were bad too.
I don't think they were thatbad.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I guess I'm the one with the hot take here.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
They were utter garbage the couple outside of
the whole cave or whole.
No, I I don't think they'rethat bad.
They seem like normal barfights, normal fights you gotta.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
You gotta watch some better action movies.
Dude, gotta watch some betteraction movies.
Pay attention, the camera is soclose up.
All you see is some arm movingand you see someone else jut
their head back.
It's like okay, I get the ideasomeone punched, but like, but
like.
What's going on?
Like, what's what am I seeing?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
I guess I disagree with you on this one.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah because I don't think I saw it that way.
Are you drunk?

Speaker 2 (26:36):
No, I didn't see it that way.
I just saw it like a normalfight, like I saw it from the
sides.
I saw everything.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
So maybe we're.
There was no like medium shotfrom there.
It was all close up, I gottarewatch it.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
It was like first man .
Maybe I missed, maybe I gottare-watch it.
You do on your own time, I willand you're gonna watch it with
me.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
It's fantastic.
We're gonna go second time,second time.
Oh boy, don't know if we can dothat um back see critics.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Maybe the last witch hunter, part two, second dose so
, so there's electric bogolo oh,now we're talking, now we're
talking, now we're talking.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Seems like there was kind of different kind of powers
for the witch people.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, everybody kind of had the one gal can walk into
your dreams or go into yourbrain.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
The queen lady had a lot of plant-like kind of stuff
going on.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
I mean it makes sense for witches.
I mean there's different typeof witches out there, so it
makes sense to have differenttypes of witches yeah, this too,
like that's kind of cool thatthey did that I guess it's
interesting.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's interesting, um, do you think there's a?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
type that is stronger than the other types, like
knowing that this witch is likean alpha witch that they're
trying to bring back.
Do you think there's a typethat is stronger than the other
types, like knowing that thiswitch is like an alpha witch
that they're trying to bringback?
Do you think that her plantpowers her bubonic claim?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
no, I don't, as I clearly stated.
I think she's just pullingeveryone along.
She's like.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
That's why I said claim, bubonic claim.
Do you think that?
Uh, she, do you think?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
she's out there like trump being like yeah, I totally
won 2020 that's, that covet wasme.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
I made out with that animal that's right, guys.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
I totally did it.
That's the worst.
That is the worst accent I'veever done.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not proud of that one.
I wouldn't be either.
You might want to pocket thatone.
I'm keeping that.
You might want to pocket thatand let a hole happen in your
pants and let it just slip righton out.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
No, no, so do you think to kind of bring this back
?
This movie's released in 2015.
Yeah, what if there's adifferent decade that this movie
would have been released in?

(29:08):
Is there?
Is there a better decade that,yes, that this movie could have
been released in?
I do, too, go for it 90s.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Give me the 90s yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
It's peak witch time 80s would have been quite been
it.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
You need the 90s, you need the 90s.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
We're going wild.
We need the 90s, you need the90s.
We're going wild.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
We need the bad cg, the bad acting like I just
imagine the the dungeons anddragons movie, the the one that
the first one that mixed withlike, oh, we never released that
one.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
That's like a lost episode oh wow, we haven't.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
I thought we did, I don't think we have.
Oh snap, wow, lost episodealert.
Uh-oh, well, anyways, you givethat.
So the bad Dungeons and Dragons, even though it was pretty
enjoyable for the first half ofthat movie.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
The first half until Wayne dies, yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, and you put that type of atmosphere around
this movie, I think you havemore of a fun fantasy movie.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, that's what this movie needed so desperately
was fun.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
I think it.
I kind of.
When I was watching it it gaveme the vibes of RIPD, without
them trying to do the comedy init.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, that's actually a good way of putting it,
because if I were given the twoto watch this or RIPD, I'm
watching RIPD.
It's not a better movie in myopinion.
I'll just take a little bit ofhumor.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Just get over it.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I don't know, I haven't seen RIPD enough.
I've only seen it once.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I think I've seen it twice Does not age any better.
The second time through Futureepisode.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Isn't that the one where they eat Chinese food With
their dad, or something?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
like that.
Oh yeah, it's like shrimp.
Maybe it is Chinese food, Idon't remember.
Sorry, I'm looking through oldepisodes.
I do not see.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Dungeons and Dragons.
Wow, it was lost in thearchives.
One day, one day.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
One day.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
It'll be released and then people will know what we
were talking about, about howgreat this movie was.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, um do you have anything else that you kind of
want to add on this?
I know we've been kind of allover the place, haven't really
been touching on the plot wehave.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Well, I mean the plot as we stated in the one-minute
summary it's so straightforward.
The witch is coming back after800 years trying to kill Vin
Diesel, I guess.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
She's got a long grudge.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
And it's just Vin Diesel slowly figuring out that
the witch is coming back.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
My grudge.
And it's just Vin Diesel slowlyfiguring out that the witch is
coming back.
And my god, the amount of plottwists.
At the end, though, elijah Wood, being like Michael Caine, knew
that you were connected withthe heart and he was planning on
stabbing the heart to end yourmisery.
And then he's like no, don'tkill the witch.
I'm actually bad.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
My parents were witches yeah, that was kind of a
bad plot twist in my opinion.
I could have done without that.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
They were all of like five, maybe ten minutes from
each other, which really wecould have done without some of
them.
We could have done without allof them.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
You always got to have one twist.
Look at M Night Shyamalan.
Every good movie has a twist.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Tell me good M Night Shyamalan.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Every good movie has a twist.
Tell me good.
M Night Shyamalan Leading theWater Suck.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
We don't talk about that part of Paul Giamatti's
career.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
You know I really like the village for the half
for staff.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
I did too until they're like yeah, the autistic
guy's the bad guy, and it's likeoh, that feels weird.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
You know the knock on the cabin Meh.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Meh, it's alright, you're just like meh Could have
been better.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
All of his movies feel kind of meh or bad.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
I'm trying to think what else I've seen of his.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Granted, I haven't seen Shattered Glass and I
haven't seen Sixth Sense.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
You know, glass was okay.
Actually, that whole series isokay.
I think I wasn't the biggestfan of Unbreakable.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
But Glass was actually okay, and then Split
was actually entertaining alittle bit too.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
So it was all right, those were all right.
It was kind of interesting tosee James McAvoy play a bunch of
characters.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I mean, he is one of those actors that can carry a
range.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, he is kind of fun to watch can carry a range.
Yeah, no, he is kind of fun towatch a little bit, so I'll give
those, yep, I'll give themthose movies.
Uh, any final thoughts?
Um, obviously I would probablynot let my kid watch this,
necessarily, just because I'mpretty sure he'd get a little.
They'll get freaked out alittle bit.
A little, and so I mean, ifthey're like 12, 13, sure, maybe

(34:43):
a little sooner, just know yourkid I guess I mean there's no
necessarily a reason why towatch these things unless you're
afraid, or watch it with them,unless you're afraid of like
substance abuse, of potions andstuff inside of this right but.
But I mean I could see thislike as a kid.

(35:03):
I could see myself watchingthis as an eight-year-old, maybe
even younger.
It's just right up there inGhostbusters.
I feel like as far as like thehorror and stuff in the movie
with swords, I guess.
I mean I like as a kid, youthrew a sword Did you just
compare it to Ghostbusters.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
I mean that's rough.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
No, I'm not trying to compare it.
That's rough, I'm not trying tocompare it to Ghostbusters.
I'm trying to say that, like asa kid, ghostbusters spooked me
a little bit, you know.
So this one is just as spookyas Ghostbusters?
No way, yeah, that one spookedme.
This one would spook me justthe same as a kid Dude, when you
see Gozer.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Gozer's not scary.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Gozer scared me for some reason.
No, I don't know why.
The dogs.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Gozer's just a fancy David Bowie.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I didn't know that as a kid.
As a kid, I didn't know whoDavid Bowie was yeah, everyone
knows who David Bowie is.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
You're born, you see David Bowie, and you're like
that's David Bowie.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
I didn't know what Labyrinth was at the time, even
as a kid.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
You know, he's more than just Labyrinth.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Oh, I know, I know, but that's probably, as a kid,
the most likely thing I probablywould have watched, unless he
showed up on Sesame Street onthe Muppet Show at some point.
Then I probably put four out often.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Okay, that's fair.
I'm going to say eight, nine,ten, eleven is probably that
kind of age to watch this.
You get them anywhere past that.

(36:45):
They're not going to like it.
Getting anywhere anythingyounger than that, it's going to
be a little too scary.
I'm going to give this a uh one.
The action scenes wereincoherent.

(37:07):
Uh, the plot was streamlinedstreamlined and also incoherent
at times it's it's very like,also incoherent.
At times it's very like you canhave a linear plot.
That's simple, that still justkind of works and is a good

(37:29):
story.
This ain't that there's nointeresting characters, there's
no interesting set pieces,there's nothing that really
carries it.
It's just kind of like meh.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I think the bar would be the most interesting set
piece.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Sorry, that's just probably my favorite part of the
movie.
I'll agree the bar's probablythe most interesting.
It's still just a bar.
With like weird potion bottles.
They did a thing and the actingleaves a lot to be desired

(38:07):
outside of like a couple people,so I'm just gonna say two, I, I
did not enjoy, this went up oh,sorry, no, I wouldn't know one.
Yeah, I'm saying one.
Thank you for the reminder.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
I was like oh, we've had our first of actually critic
.
First he, first he went up.
No, initially I was going tosay two, you talked yourself up.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
No.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
You doubled the rating.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I doubled it from one to two and we're halving it to
one.
It just it was garbage.
It's like two hours of justincoherent gobbledygook.
It's not for me, it's notevenygook, it's not for me.
It's not even fun bad.
It's not even enjoyable.
It's not even spooky.

(38:46):
There's no spookies.
It's as spooky as Suicide Squad.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Never saw, really Neither one.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
There, there.
So yeah, that's my takeaway.
Anyone that you want to shoutout?

Speaker 2 (39:05):
nope, we're good.
Okay, I already did.
Bye, we out.
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