May 1, 2024 • 41 mins
In this episode of the Beach Money Podcast, our esteemed host Jim Klauck sits down with network marketing success story, Michelle Barnes. Known for her accomplishments in the health and nutrition industry, Michelle provides an engaging look into her life and work, sharing her journey towards financial independence and the meaningful impact she's made on the lives of others.
Michelle and Jim unravel the mystery linked to achieving sustainable weight loss, emphasizing the profound role of mindset and belief systems. This dialogue highlights the merits of the fat loss system over traditional weight loss methods, pinpointing this as a game-changing approach in the field of nutrition and wellness.
Drawing from her personal journey of incorporating intermittent fasting into her lifestyle, Michelle unravels the transformative potential and health benefits of this dietary practice. She further delves into the importance of daily health indicators and self-monitoring, a crucial tool for lasting success in any area, including business and personal wellbeing.
This episode also tackles the concept of overcoming victim mentality, featuring inspiring snippets from Michelle's personal life and lessons from renowned professionals such as Bob Proctor, Jim Rohn, and Robin Sharma. Listen as she discusses the power of taking absolute personal responsibility and the critical steps in turning the desire for change into tangible progress.
Whether you are a striving entrepreneur, a health enthusiast or someone seeking a motivational boost to transform your life, this eye-opening episode is a must-listen. Delve into the world of health and wellness, financial freedom, and the power of clarity, discipline, and desire in achieving your dreams.
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Jim Klauck here on the Beach Money Podcast.
I hope you're all having a great day, a Beach Money Day.
Today, Michelle Barnes is joining me, a good friend of Jordan Adler's.
Hey, Michelle, how are you doing?
I'm fantastic. How are you doing? I am living the dream. Thank you so much for
having me on the program.
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I'm going to learn a lot about you. I've not met you before,
but I know because you're a good friend of Jordan as I am, we're going to have
a lot in common, and I think we're going to have fun today.
Well, I agree, and I'm blessed to be here, and I absolutely love and adore Jordan.
We've known each other for decades, so any friend of Jordan's is a friend of mine.
(00:45):
That's what everybody says, so I have a lot of new friends now because I get
to interview Jordan's friends. How did you meet Jordan.
So we met before his current business.
He actually ended up in my team, in my previous company.
One of the gals in my team, I forget what her license plate said,
(01:10):
maybe like unemployed or something like that.
And they got to talking and it was in Arizona where he was living and where she was living.
And so he got started in our team after Excel went out of business and brought
a team over to our team and then fell in love with Send Out Cards,
so then transitioned over there.
But we have spoken at a lot of generic network marketing events together and
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we've known each other for, gosh, I think it's probably at least 25 years now.
So we've shared a lot of stages together and we're both Pisces.
I think his birthday is March 9th and mine's the 7th.
So we've always had that in common as well.
So it's a lot of fun. He's just a great human.
(01:54):
He's fantastic. I've spent quite a bit of time with him over the past couple of years.
We actually went on a cruise together for a week.
What? That's fun. And you didn't invite me, Jim? Well, it was for podcasters.
So I understand you're interested in having your own podcast one day.
I am. And it was a podcaster's cruise that he was invited on to by someone he
(02:22):
met, I think, on a networker's cruise.
Fun. And Jordan knows that I'm a podcast guy and I do his podcast.
And he said, hey, you should consider going on this cruise.
It's a seven-day cruise. So
I brought my wife and there were a handful of podcasters on this big ship.
And so when you spend some time on a ship, you get to know people real well. So yeah, you do.
(02:48):
We've done that together and he and I have done some other projects and he's
entrusted me to host his podcast, the Beach Money Podcast.
So just super cool. Yeah, it is super cool. It is exciting.
Let's talk a little bit about network marketing because that is a common thread.
Between you and Jordan. Why do you love network marketing so much?
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The freedom, you know, even though I work and have worked really hard over the
last 28 years, I love being able to do it on my own time.
I like to be my own boss. I like setting my own hours. I like being able to
make as much money as I want to make.
Yeah, I think the flexibility and the freedom.
(03:32):
Time freedom, money freedom. I mean, that's kind of what we're all working for, right?
I think so. There are so many people who are tied up in their job.
They work for someone else. They're a W-2 worker. They've been doing it so long,
they don't know any different.
Back in 2003, I left the corporate world to become an entrepreneur and do my own thing.
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And when I look back, it really was a prison for me. And I wasn't meant to be in that position.
And so I fully understand. Would you consider what you do a lifestyle business?
We hear that expression all the time, a lifestyle business, which isn't that
something that allows you to do what you love on your term?
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Yeah, it really is. You know, I mean, you know, I love that I can,
like I said, do what I want, when I want, with who I want, and no one tells
me what to do. I mean, I'm definitely unemployable.
But I found that out very quickly. I've never even had a real job besides like
waiting tables and bartending back in college and law school to put myself through school.
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So I've never had a real job besides that.
But even when I tried to attempt interning for attorneys and doing things like
that, that kind of seemed like a real job.
And I was like, you mean I have to come back here at this time tomorrow? Like, really?
Oh, yeah. You know, so, yeah, I just, I love it. I love being able to help people's health.
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I love being able to help people's financial situation.
I really fell in love with just teaching people how to change that mindset from
that employee mindset to an entrepreneur mindset.
Because that's what someone did for me when I was 23 years old and,
you know, made me realize, okay, you know, you're going to work hard no matter
(05:24):
what you do. So why not work hard building something for yourself instead of for someone else?
And I think it can be easier than hard when you love doing what you're doing.
And also, if you're fit for it.
For instance, some people will get a job for the means to an end.
(05:45):
I need to pay rent and my car payment.
So I need a job. And many people have a job just to get money to live or survive.
Other people are lucky enough to
find a job that they love doing and i
think the luckiest people are people like you and i where
we can build a business
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have the flexibility make as much money as we like and choose to work and play
with the people we choose to work and play with yeah i agree but i truly believe
that you can monetize anything that you love like there's There's always a way,
like if you can find something that you really love doing,
(06:28):
I don't really care what it is, you can monetize it somehow,
some way, you know.
I totally agree. Tell me about the products that you work with.
How do you help people as you live your dream, making your income,
building your business, spending time with people you want to spend time with?
(06:50):
But what is the product behind that that allows all of this to happen?
Yeah. So I've always, for the last 28 years, I've always been into health and
fitness and nutrition and wellness.
And, of course, that's changed over 28 years. And I've changed companies and
the products have changed.
But in the last eight and a half years, the products that I primarily work with
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and coach and mentor people with is a fat loss system.
Instead of weight loss, more fat loss.
And super clean products. Also a patented liquid collagen line. For me, I am 52.
I've lost 32 pounds. I've been able to keep it off now for almost five years.
And then the patented liquid collagen has just been a game changer.
(07:36):
You know, I thought you just had to, you know, deal with aging and like my skin
is better in my 50s than it was in my 30s.
My knees don't hurt anymore. So it's like when you experience high quality products
that actually work for you, it's so much easier to share them with people.
So, and I love really showing people that, especially people that have tried everything.
(07:59):
That's what I hear. Like I've tried everything to lose this weight and I can't
lose it. and for me to be like, hey, give it one more chance.
You know, try this and I'm going to help you every step of the way.
And really just getting people to learn that it's not about a diet.
It's not about, you know, starving yourself to death. It's not about, you know.
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You know, sacrificing like the things you want to eat. Like,
it's not about restriction.
Like anything that is that restrictive is not sustainable.
And of course, people are going to, I mean, it's like if you do zero carbs your
whole life, the second you lick a carb, you're going to gain 20 pounds back, you know?
So I show people how to just make small choices that over time will definitely change their life.
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And when they start to lose, you know, lose weight and start to feel so good,
you know, of course they want to keep going.
It gives them the confidence. They start to get excited. Their clothes are fitting better.
You know, they like the way they feel. And then they're obviously encouraged to keep going.
Michelle, can anyone lose weight? So there's this issue today in America where
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we have more than half the people are overweight or obese.
And there's a segment, a decent size, unfortunately, that are morbidly obese.
These people are heavy. They weren't born heavy, but they are.
And so I keep hearing people say, I don't have a high metabolism.
We're big boned people in our family. And I'm like, can't you just restrict
(09:44):
what goes in to lose weight?
I mean, can everyone get a leaner body?
I know some people are predisposed to being larger people because of genetics,
but all of a sudden it seems over the past 20, 30 years,
maybe over 50 years, we've really, I guess when we were children,
(10:06):
it really started to get bad.
I'm a little older than you. So I grew up in the seventies and eighties and
before that, it wasn't such a big deal.
But children of that time started consuming the Big Macs and the Froot Loops
and more carbonated drinks and so forth.
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And we are a pretty big society. And it's not just here in the US.
It's other developed countries.
They're having a bad problem in the UK as well, I understand.
So once again, the question is, can you help anyone get more fit, lose weight?
(10:47):
I 100% believe I can. Yeah, I really do.
And not every body is the same, right?
So what I've found over the last 28 years, I mean, I was a personal trainer
even before I got started in this business.
And so I've always had a passion for helping people get in shape because I know
when you look good, you feel good. When you feel good, you do good.
(11:09):
And so I like to help people, you know, just make subtle changes that,
you know, are going to, they're going to feel better and look better.
And it encourages them to keep going.
And a lot of it is I'm like, my jam is mindset. And a lot of the,
like, I'm kind of a brain nerd.
And so a lot of what I teach and coach on is also changing your paradigm,
(11:34):
you know, and that is really doing the inner work to figure out,
okay, why do I keep gaining the weight back?
And what's at the bottom of it? When you peel that onion, what's really holding
you back from becoming financially independent, from being in the best shape
of your life, having the best relationships.
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Being the best parent you can be? What is holding you back from those things?
And when you can peel that onion a little bit, but it always comes down to our
set of beliefs and our belief systems and, you know, what kind of programming
we have had or have or continue to have.
And, you know, so I do believe that anyone can get healthier.
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I'm not saying everyone is, you know, going to get skinny and strong and stay
that way forever, you know.
But I do love helping people with more of the inner work that it takes to really
truly believe that they can lose weight and keep it off.
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In general, do you think it's a mental problem more than a physical problem? Yes.
I agree. Yeah. And I don't know what's happened in our society over,
and once again, like the last 50 years is my best guess, and it seems to be getting worse.
(13:01):
Yeah. And I've learned how to control not just my intake,
but actually when I take in the food and other ways to metabolize it and to, I guess, burn calories.
(13:22):
And for years, I thought what everyone else thought.
Well, calories in, calories out. And if you go to the gym and exercise,
you can eat what you want. No, no, no, no, no.
I learned years ago because I lost 35 pounds too quickly, actually.
I think I did some damage to myself, but I lost 35 pounds within two months, I think.
Oh, wow. Yeah, that's a lot. weeks and i
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did it solely through diet i
didn't walk i didn't run didn't lift weights actually
lifting weights you're likely to gain weight if you really want to lose weight
it you know you have to uh through diet but
what i've learned though is if i
stop eating at a certain time of day like my
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last meal at seven and if i get good sleep
sleep's important yes circadian rhythm
and is good for burning the the calories and
cell rejuvenation and and i know it sounds like hocus pocus because people say
well i'll sleep when i die i don't really have time to sleep now and and what's
interesting is that the people who are running around so much who who are stressed
(14:28):
who aren't getting sleep are the biggest people yeah that's true.
Yeah. You know, I'm a big believer in intermittent fasting. I've been doing
it for the last five years.
You know, I'm currently on day three of a 72-hour fast, which I don't recommend
to anyone that's like brand new at fasting at all.
(14:50):
I always, you know, ease people into doing longer fasts. And you know,
there's definitely a healthy process on doing that.
But But, you know, for me, it's been a game changer, you know, doing that.
And I do feel like it allows, there's so much flexibility with intermittent fasting.
(15:10):
And then when you add high-quality collagen or, you know, a metabolism type
stuff and nutrition, I mean, it really just turns your body into like a fat-burning furnace.
And, you know, for me, I'm like, yeah, I don't want to just lose it and keep
finding it. But, you know, it seems like that's what everybody loses 10,
gains back 15, loses 20, gains back 25.
(15:32):
Like I wanted to release it for good, you know.
And so, you know, I fluctuate maybe three to five pounds, but I always know why, you know.
You know, it's interesting. You know that you fluctuate and you know why.
And so my wife asked me, she says, hey, Jim, why do you weigh yourself every
(15:53):
day? And I'm like, why does a business owner look at their numbers every day?
I mean, we have KPIs in business.
Why don't we measure every day cholesterol, blood pressure, weight,
all of these important components to survival? And I'm going to get on my soapbox a little bit here.
(16:15):
We only have so much time on on Earth.
And according to Tony Robbins, apparently we'll have more time if we can just
hold off a little while longer. Believe it. I believe it.
But we only have so much time on earth, yet we run around in this rat race to
keep up with the Joneses, to buy things that we're going to end up throwing
(16:36):
out or maybe selling at a garage sale for pennies on the dollar.
Yeah. And we aren't taking care of ourselves physically and mentally,
in my opinion. I'm generalizing.
I agree. And so why not know what you weigh?
I mean, you should know. No, like the doctor asks you, what do you weigh?
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You shouldn't be off by 10 pounds. You shouldn't go within a couple of pounds.
If someone asks me what my blood pressure is now, now, if you're 25 and healthy,
that might not be a big issue, but it'd be a good idea to know because there
are some people who are young who do have abnormal blood pressure.
So it'd be good to know. But some of these.
These indicators are important for your health and to know your numbers.
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They say in business, know your numbers.
Yeah. A lot of these people in business don't know their numbers,
their physical numbers.
And it blows my mind.
Yeah, mine too. Me too. Well, and, you know, even with network marketing,
with business, like you said, with your health, like, you know,
(17:43):
I always tell people clarity is power.
One of my biggest, you know, things that I do every year is this,
the most powerful goal setting call of the year.
People can find that at michellebarnes.com. It's free. um but i'm telling you
like a lot of people they don't even know what they want and it's like,
(18:05):
clarity has power so how are you going to get to
here if you don't even know what here is yeah you know and so what you know
i always tell people like okay if you're here and you want to get here what
do we need to do to close that gap you know what what and and i'm very much
of uh i'm not an analytical person,
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but I'm very much like, just tell me what the driving behaviors are,
you know, to get from here to here, you know, and I just do that.
And for me, I think that's why I've been really successful in network marketing
is because I tracked my numbers and I do the things that I know will move my
business forward every day, just like I do for my health.
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You know, it is about, for me, it's about 90-10.
You know, about 10% of the time, I like to go have Mexican food and a good margarita, you know.
Now you're talking my language. Oh, man, just give me some queso. It's like game over.
But I don't do it every day, you know. And I do intermittent fasting and I do
eat clean and I do make good choices about 90, 85, 90% of the time.
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That is interesting because you and I are on the same page.
I don't eat totally clean. The Lord blessed me with taste buds, which is a curse, right?
I mean, that's the biggest curse because honestly, Fruit Loops and Coca-Cola
tasted horrible and queso wasn't good.
We'd all be a lot thinner. We would eat just to eat. I know some people who don't like to eat.
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They find it a chore. Most of those people actually look fit.
And if they're eating the right food, they're probably in pretty good shape.
Like most people, I love chocolate. I love sweet drinks.
I love cheese. I like all the bad, like, you know, a tortilla.
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Well, tortilla, speaking of the devil, that's worse than eating a cup of sugar. I know, right?
So good, though. But once in a while, it's okay. okay it
is but i will tell you though when
i i i i kind of fall off
the wagon which is on purpose meaning i'm like all right let's do you
know let's do mexican so i'm intentionally hopping off the wagon if you will
(20:26):
yeah me too sometimes it's not worth it it's almost like drinking so i don't
drink as much as i i very like i i occasionally in a social setting i'll have
a couple of beers or a couple of glasses of wine.
Yeah. I used to party when I was young. Yeah.
Yeah. So if I go to a Mexican restaurant, especially if I'm drinking.
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But even if I'm not, just the food itself will throw my system off where I'm
like, I didn't even know if that was worth it because now I feel sluggish and
I don't know if I'm going to sleep as well.
And so that's my problem, which probably isn't a bad problem because if that's
the case, I'm probably going to avoid what was pleasure if it's no longer pleasure.
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And I know it's not good for me as good as eating cleaner than if I just eat clean, it's fine.
I'm on such a routine, it's crazy.
Do you recommend that people stick to a schedule? In other words,
I don't eat past seven. I go to sleep by 10.
I wake up by six. My first meal's not till 10 or 11. It depends,
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but, but let's say 10 and then I'll, you know, eat pretty much whatever I want,
but it's relatively clean until seven and it all goes round and round again.
And I exercise 90 minutes a day and I give myself some, you know,
mental time, at least an hour a day for my head.
Um, that seems to work for me. Do you recommend that?
I do, you know, I feel like if you have a routine and you have a good set of
(22:00):
habits and you do that, you know, on repetition and repetition is the mother
of all learning, you know, so it's like the more we do something,
the more it's, I would say,
neurons that fire together, wire together.
So, it's almost like building a cable.
And with every habit or every choice we make, we're kind of making that cable stronger.
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So, whether it's good or bad, that's why it's hard to change bad habits,
you know, harder to change bad habits.
But I mean, I'll tell people like, look, we don't have to do this all at once.
Like you don't have to go off the deep end.
Like let's just change one bad habit. Like I'll have people trade out one bad
habit for one good habit for 30 days.
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And it makes such a difference that they realize, wow, what if I did that with
two or three other bad habits that I have?
And life is meant to be lived too, you know? Life's too short.
So I'm going to have the queso once in a while. I'm going to have the margarita,
you know? know, I'm going to have the chocolate once in a while.
You know, but I also just think, I think the more you have routine and the more
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you set up like good habits and set yourself up for success instead of failure,
you know, like my kids always get mad because I don't, you know,
have a lot of crap in the house.
And, you know, there's a reason for that, you know, and they still eat stuff.
They're teenage boys, you know, but, you know, when you can have a routine,
I have, an evening routine. I have a morning routine.
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And I break my fast with almost the same thing every single day.
And I kind of just keep it simple.
But I will tell you, when I have salmon and some vegetables...
And maybe only one glass of wine compared to Mexican food and queso and a trough
of chips and salsa and a trough of margaritas, I just feel better, you know?
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So it comes down to those choices. And every choice we make every second of
every day is either moving us closer to our goals or further away.
There is no neutral, you know?
Yeah, you are so much like me in terms of I eat the same thing over and over again. Yeah, I do too.
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So I eat, and I'm starting to eat things in order. So I heard you should eat protein first.
So as you break the fast, I heard it's best to eat protein first or almost always,
you know, regardless of what you're eating.
And then eat, you know, eat the fats and the carbs and so forth.
And so, you know, I eat, you know, two, three eggs every morning,
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scrambled, and I eat an avocado.
Yeah, me too. and and you know really gross
stuff like brussels sprouts and broccoli and
asparagus and i love that so there's no sauces on
it i don't even like salt and pepper on things and i think people think that
i'm like crazy but yeah i actually enjoy the taste of asparagus and i like eggs
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and avocados are awesome and those
are all really good for us and when you think about it if you go back.
Just a couple hundred years let's say you go back 500 years
those foods were all available
but fruit loops wasn't interesting what a concept yeah and and so the greens
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and the and the good proteins and so forth apparently have been good for us
for a long time and And we as a society have fallen off a wagon.
Yeah. We consume junk. And I'm really, really concerned for the welfare of the
people. Yeah, me too. Yeah.
Really, yeah. I am too. And that's why I'm so passionate about what I do.
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You know, it's probably why I'm even more passionate, even though I love health
and fitness and nutrition and wellness,
I'm even more passionate about teaching people how to kind of get,
giving people kind of that checkup from the neck up and teaching them how to
change their thoughts, which are going to change their feelings,
which are in turn going to change their actions and then their results.
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You know, positive in, positive out, negative in, negative out,
you know, And a lot of the programming that somebody has, take whatever age
we are, that's how many years of programming we have.
And if the programming is bad, it doesn't just happen overnight to change it.
You can only change your paradigm in two ways.
One is through a very emotional impact, which is typically negative,
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like when somebody finds out they have cancer.
Then they change everything. You know, they start to eat better and they start
to get all the toxins out of their homes and stuff.
And, you know, or the only other way is through repetition.
And so through repetition, you can change the paradigm.
And it's harder, you know, and it takes, and it's easy to do,
(26:52):
but easy not to do, you know, like Jim Rohn always says.
And um but changing changing
helping someone change their paradigm when it comes to health
when it comes to money um when
it comes to relationships and not saying by any means that that i've got it
all you know figured out because you know i'm still a work in progress every
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day and i work on myself every day and i learn every day and i'm trying to grow
every day um and so So, you know, we're all a work in progress,
but I do contribute a lot of my success in every area of my life to really being
intentional with the choices I make.
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You have to be intentional, but I want to go back to something that we were
just talking about that you were just talking.
I was thinking so many people need to hit rock bottom, whatever their rock bottom
is, before they'll make a change.
You know, whether it's financial, Dave Ramsey will talk about it all the time.
You know, if it's a financial thing, if it's a health thing,
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like, oh, the doctor said I've got cancer, but I can beat it, he said, if I do this.
Yeah. All of a sudden they wake up.
I just posted something on Facebook and it's interesting.
I knew I'd get a lot of responses and it was, if your doctor told you that you
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had six months left to live, what would you do? Yeah, almost everyone said,
spend more time with my family, put things in order.
My next post is going to be.
Have you done that? Are you doing it? Why are we waiting? We can die tomorrow.
We can get sick tomorrow.
And I just I think it's hard for people.
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To be disciplined. Well, I know it's hard for people to be disciplined.
Oh, yeah. Self-discipline is the most important thing.
It's never been that difficult for me. And maybe that's why people like you and I are able to,
start businesses and be self-disciplined and go to bed at a certain time and
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maybe not drink too many margaritas and, and eat better and exercise and, and,
you know, work from here up. Right.
And I want to help people like you do, but I don't know if most people want to be helped.
And it's a little frustrating. Or do you think they do? We just don't know how
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to help them because there are a lot of people that can't be helped.
I think a lot of people do.
But it's also, I think the majority of people look at that self-discipline piece as sacrifice.
And a lot of people look at sacrifice as a bad word.
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And, you know, my mentor was Bob Proctor and a very dear friend of mine.
And, you know, he would always say that, you know, sacrifice is giving something
of a lower value to receive something of a higher value.
And, you know, so yeah, you know, you might have to give up some of the,
you know, the sodas and the chips and things like that or fast food.
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But when you do give that up, you're giving up something of a lower value to
receive something of a higher value. you.
And, you know, I think if people can just give it enough time and give themselves enough grace,
and if you can teach people how to just live a healthier lifestyle overall versus
the things that are so restrictive that that human is never going to stick with it,
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people will have more success.
I've heard that we, as human beings, are wired for pleasure.
That's why gambling and porn and food and alcohol are all things that people can overconsume.
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And all of those things I just mentioned are readily available more so now than before. Yeah.
Drug addicts. and it's because
i hate to say this but we're weak
in a way we're we're more drawn to pleasure we don't
like pain and people associate discipline and
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doing the right thing with it's painful it's it's not as pleasurable i much
rather sit in front of the television eat a bucket of fried chicken and watch
a reality show then go out ride my bike eat well and listen Listen to a nutritional podcast.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, life's about choices, you know?
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It is. And I, you know, it's like a religion.
I think the more you get on this side of it where you and I are,
the more we look at other people saying, do you not get it? Come join.
Look what's over here. I know. I know. Because I was somewhere more on that side.
Yeah. And now I'm over here. So look, you made the change. Yeah.
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You know? Yeah. But I'm not typical.
I've always been able to, once I put my mind to it, to do it.
A lot of people will fall off. They'll go back.
Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, Jim. I mean, it all starts with a decision, you know?
And the Latin term of decision, it means to cut off.
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And it means to cut off any alternative. And when somebody makes a decision
to do something, like everything comes into their life to help support that decision.
But a lot of people don't even make the decision.
They'd rather just sit and be a victim. And that's one of the biggest things
that I coach and mentor people on is taking, you know, Robin Sharma calls it
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APR, absolute personal responsibility.
And when someone starts to take 100% responsibility for where they are in their
life or aren't, whether it's finances, health, whatever, it's a game changer, you know?
And, but I would say the majority of people out there are victims.
They have a victim mindset instead of a victor mindset.
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They blame everybody around them. It's always someone else's fault.
You know, they justify, you know, well, this is just how I was born or this
is my, that's in my genes or whatever, which is BS.
You know, so they blame, they justify and they complain. Yep.
And those three things are a sign of a victim.
And, you know, a lot of times you got to get good at catching yourself when
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you're in victim mode versus like victor mode. Right.
So. So, yeah, no, I, I agree.
There are a lot of victims out there and you hit the nail on the head.
You identified their traits, someone else's fault.
I was born with a bad DNA pattern, whatever, you know, my great,
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great grandfather was an alcoholic. So that's why I am.
Um, and, and it's, it's, you know, I would, you know, and, and I'll tell you
what's really interesting is that is all BS.
And you probably know this, but if not, this is an interesting statistic.
An immigrant to our country is four times more likely to become a millionaire
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than an American born citizen.
I was born in New York City in 1966, a long time ago.
With a golden ticket. Yeah. That was, you're an American.
Yeah. America is where almost everybody wants to be. And the ones who don't
want to be here, they're lying.
There's a long lineup and a lot of people are coming into this country.
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And we've been coming over for hundreds of years.
And I was born with this golden ticket.
Ticket but you get a cuban who is
paddles over in a bathtub hoping they make
the beach in miami before they get tackled by
the government and many more of those they're more likely to become a millionaire
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and appreciate america more than we do it's mine i see it all the time yeah
well and in the statistics are what they are three percent of america retires
financially independent dependent. 1% is wealthy.
97% retire financially dependent on friends, family, and the federal government when they retire.
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And that's after doing the 40-year plan. And I think that's why at 23,
it was just such a two-by-four to my forehead.
I was like, I'm going to be in that 97% category if I don't figure out how to do this on my own.
And I wasn't going to go work for 40 years, 40 hours a week for someone else,
building someone else's business, building someone else's dreams,
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and having somebody tell me how much I was worth, you know?
And I would much rather work 80 hours a week for myself than 40 hours a week for someone else.
And, you know, that's just, that's just, I think, part of being an entrepreneur.
But, you know, like, we have a choice as Americans. We live in the land of the
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free, for crying out loud.
It's like, do you want to be in the 3% or than 97%, you know?
And for me, that, that just hearing that at 23, I was like, I am going to be
in that 3% category, you know? And...
I'm going to make sure that I am in that 3% where I am financially free and
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financially independent.
Michelle, I think a lot of people want to be in that 3%, and I'm sure a lot
of people want to have a BMI of 24.
Wanting's one thing, kicking butt and doing it's another.
And I love to see people's success stories in themselves when they say,
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I was here and And now I'm here,
whether that was I was a drug addict or I was addicted to gambling or I was
obese or something else.
And when people say I can't do it, it makes me crazy.
I'm telling you, there's someone paddling over from Cuba now in a bathtub.
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And when I say bathtub, I remember years ago seeing a picture of a raft.
I think there was a bathtub attached to it. No joke. And, you know,
they'll do anything they can. And how about these people who are paraplegic or disabled?
They can't walk. They're in a wheelchair and they can play basketball better than I can.
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I've got two legs and two arms and I'm taller than they are and they'll beat me.
What's all that about? I mean, come on. I mean, and I find the people who hit rock bottom.
And I think when you lose your legs, you might hit rock bottom.
You say, gosh, darn it, I'm going to do something.
And it's just amazing what we can do.
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So just, I guess my message today is...
Just get it together and be the best you can be and get help from people like
Michelle who work on herself every day and help other people every day. Yeah.
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Yeah, I heard something amazing one time that said, help the person that you
used to be, you know, and I grew up, you know, in the hood.
I mean, I was, you know, my mom was a single mom at 18 when she had me divorced
by the time I was nine months old, raised me by herself.
You know, we had no furniture. I mean, we didn't have anything.
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And, you know, the majority of the people that went to school in the same area didn't go to college.
I was the first person in my family to go to college. I went to law school for
a year, dropped out to do network marketing. But I was, you know,
I was $80,000 in debt when I got started in this business.
I was living paycheck to paycheck. I did have three jobs. I did live in a one-bedroom
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apartment with like three people.
You know, so it's like, I know that if somebody has a true burning desire for a better life.
And they're coachable and they find people who have the results they want in
life and just do what that person is doing, they'll get the same results.
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They also got to be willing to work. So if you have a desire for a better life,
you're coachable and you're willing to work, sky's the limit,
you know, because everything else is figureoutable, you know?
It is. You just have to dial it in and you have to be disciplined.
But I will tell you this from my experience,
It's harder up front. So as painful as it seems in the beginning,
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when you get into the routine and you see the results you're getting,
which is the payoff, it's easier.
It's like anything else. In the beginning, it's difficult, whether it's fasting
or going on a diet or having to work out every day. It's all painful.
Well, and it's changing your mindset, too.
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You know like I tell people begin with the end in mind you know like how do you want to feel,
when you lose that 25 pounds like how
do you want to feel and when people start to think about how they are going
to feel if that they get that end result then that pleasure of oh my gosh I'm
going to look good in those jeans I'm going to look good when I walk in front
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of that mirror you know I have a vacation coming up and I'm going to look good
and feel good there's a big difference you know,
When you feel that, whatever you're feeling is what you're attracting.
So if you don't like what you're attracting or you don't like your results, change the way you feel.
Yeah, I agree. Michelle, this has been great. Thank you so much for joining
me today here on the podcast. So fun, Jim.
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It's so great to meet you and so much fun to have a conversation with you.
Yeah, it's been fun. All of Michelle's contact information and other great assets
are located in the show notes of this podcast.
Thank you, my dear. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you so much.
And tell Jordan I said thank you and that I love him to pieces.
Jim Klauck here on the Beach Money Podcast.
I hope you're all having a great day, a Beach Money Day.
Today, Michelle Barnes is joining me, a good friend of Jordan Adler's.
Hey, Michelle, how are you doing?
I'm fantastic. How are you doing? I am living the dream. Thank you so much for
having me on the program.
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I'm going to learn a lot about you. I've not met you before,
but I know because you're a good friend of Jordan as I am, we're going to have
a lot in common, and I think we're going to have fun today.
Well, I agree, and I'm blessed to be here, and I absolutely love and adore Jordan.
We've known each other for decades, so any friend of Jordan's is a friend of mine.
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That's what everybody says, so I have a lot of new friends now because I get
to interview Jordan's friends. How did you meet Jordan.
So we met before his current business.
He actually ended up in my team, in my previous company.
One of the gals in my team, I forget what her license plate said,
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maybe like unemployed or something like that.
And they got to talking and it was in Arizona where he was living and where she was living.
And so he got started in our team after Excel went out of business and brought
a team over to our team and then fell in love with Send Out Cards,
so then transitioned over there.
But we have spoken at a lot of generic network marketing events together and
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we've known each other for, gosh, I think it's probably at least 25 years now.
So we've shared a lot of stages together and we're both Pisces.
I think his birthday is March 9th and mine's the 7th.
So we've always had that in common as well.
So it's a lot of fun. He's just a great human.
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He's fantastic. I've spent quite a bit of time with him over the past couple of years.
We actually went on a cruise together for a week.
What? That's fun. And you didn't invite me, Jim? Well, it was for podcasters.
So I understand you're interested in having your own podcast one day.
I am. And it was a podcaster's cruise that he was invited on to by someone he
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met, I think, on a networker's cruise.
Fun. And Jordan knows that I'm a podcast guy and I do his podcast.
And he said, hey, you should consider going on this cruise.
It's a seven-day cruise. So
I brought my wife and there were a handful of podcasters on this big ship.
And so when you spend some time on a ship, you get to know people real well. So yeah, you do.
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We've done that together and he and I have done some other projects and he's
entrusted me to host his podcast, the Beach Money Podcast.
So just super cool. Yeah, it is super cool. It is exciting.
Let's talk a little bit about network marketing because that is a common thread.
Between you and Jordan. Why do you love network marketing so much?
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The freedom, you know, even though I work and have worked really hard over the
last 28 years, I love being able to do it on my own time.
I like to be my own boss. I like setting my own hours. I like being able to
make as much money as I want to make.
Yeah, I think the flexibility and the freedom.
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Time freedom, money freedom. I mean, that's kind of what we're all working for, right?
I think so. There are so many people who are tied up in their job.
They work for someone else. They're a W-2 worker. They've been doing it so long,
they don't know any different.
Back in 2003, I left the corporate world to become an entrepreneur and do my own thing.
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And when I look back, it really was a prison for me. And I wasn't meant to be in that position.
And so I fully understand. Would you consider what you do a lifestyle business?
We hear that expression all the time, a lifestyle business, which isn't that
something that allows you to do what you love on your term?
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Yeah, it really is. You know, I mean, you know, I love that I can,
like I said, do what I want, when I want, with who I want, and no one tells
me what to do. I mean, I'm definitely unemployable.
But I found that out very quickly. I've never even had a real job besides like
waiting tables and bartending back in college and law school to put myself through school.
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So I've never had a real job besides that.
But even when I tried to attempt interning for attorneys and doing things like
that, that kind of seemed like a real job.
And I was like, you mean I have to come back here at this time tomorrow? Like, really?
Oh, yeah. You know, so, yeah, I just, I love it. I love being able to help people's health.
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I love being able to help people's financial situation.
I really fell in love with just teaching people how to change that mindset from
that employee mindset to an entrepreneur mindset.
Because that's what someone did for me when I was 23 years old and,
you know, made me realize, okay, you know, you're going to work hard no matter
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what you do. So why not work hard building something for yourself instead of for someone else?
And I think it can be easier than hard when you love doing what you're doing.
And also, if you're fit for it.
For instance, some people will get a job for the means to an end.
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I need to pay rent and my car payment.
So I need a job. And many people have a job just to get money to live or survive.
Other people are lucky enough to
find a job that they love doing and i
think the luckiest people are people like you and i where
we can build a business
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have the flexibility make as much money as we like and choose to work and play
with the people we choose to work and play with yeah i agree but i truly believe
that you can monetize anything that you love like there's There's always a way,
like if you can find something that you really love doing,
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I don't really care what it is, you can monetize it somehow,
some way, you know.
I totally agree. Tell me about the products that you work with.
How do you help people as you live your dream, making your income,
building your business, spending time with people you want to spend time with?
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But what is the product behind that that allows all of this to happen?
Yeah. So I've always, for the last 28 years, I've always been into health and
fitness and nutrition and wellness.
And, of course, that's changed over 28 years. And I've changed companies and
the products have changed.
But in the last eight and a half years, the products that I primarily work with
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and coach and mentor people with is a fat loss system.
Instead of weight loss, more fat loss.
And super clean products. Also a patented liquid collagen line. For me, I am 52.
I've lost 32 pounds. I've been able to keep it off now for almost five years.
And then the patented liquid collagen has just been a game changer.
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You know, I thought you just had to, you know, deal with aging and like my skin
is better in my 50s than it was in my 30s.
My knees don't hurt anymore. So it's like when you experience high quality products
that actually work for you, it's so much easier to share them with people.
So, and I love really showing people that, especially people that have tried everything.
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That's what I hear. Like I've tried everything to lose this weight and I can't
lose it. and for me to be like, hey, give it one more chance.
You know, try this and I'm going to help you every step of the way.
And really just getting people to learn that it's not about a diet.
It's not about, you know, starving yourself to death. It's not about, you know.
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You know, sacrificing like the things you want to eat. Like,
it's not about restriction.
Like anything that is that restrictive is not sustainable.
And of course, people are going to, I mean, it's like if you do zero carbs your
whole life, the second you lick a carb, you're going to gain 20 pounds back, you know?
So I show people how to just make small choices that over time will definitely change their life.
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And when they start to lose, you know, lose weight and start to feel so good,
you know, of course they want to keep going.
It gives them the confidence. They start to get excited. Their clothes are fitting better.
You know, they like the way they feel. And then they're obviously encouraged to keep going.
Michelle, can anyone lose weight? So there's this issue today in America where
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we have more than half the people are overweight or obese.
And there's a segment, a decent size, unfortunately, that are morbidly obese.
These people are heavy. They weren't born heavy, but they are.
And so I keep hearing people say, I don't have a high metabolism.
We're big boned people in our family. And I'm like, can't you just restrict
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what goes in to lose weight?
I mean, can everyone get a leaner body?
I know some people are predisposed to being larger people because of genetics,
but all of a sudden it seems over the past 20, 30 years,
maybe over 50 years, we've really, I guess when we were children,
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it really started to get bad.
I'm a little older than you. So I grew up in the seventies and eighties and
before that, it wasn't such a big deal.
But children of that time started consuming the Big Macs and the Froot Loops
and more carbonated drinks and so forth.
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And we are a pretty big society. And it's not just here in the US.
It's other developed countries.
They're having a bad problem in the UK as well, I understand.
So once again, the question is, can you help anyone get more fit, lose weight?
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I 100% believe I can. Yeah, I really do.
And not every body is the same, right?
So what I've found over the last 28 years, I mean, I was a personal trainer
even before I got started in this business.
And so I've always had a passion for helping people get in shape because I know
when you look good, you feel good. When you feel good, you do good.
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And so I like to help people, you know, just make subtle changes that,
you know, are going to, they're going to feel better and look better.
And it encourages them to keep going.
And a lot of it is I'm like, my jam is mindset. And a lot of the,
like, I'm kind of a brain nerd.
And so a lot of what I teach and coach on is also changing your paradigm,
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you know, and that is really doing the inner work to figure out,
okay, why do I keep gaining the weight back?
And what's at the bottom of it? When you peel that onion, what's really holding
you back from becoming financially independent, from being in the best shape
of your life, having the best relationships.
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Being the best parent you can be? What is holding you back from those things?
And when you can peel that onion a little bit, but it always comes down to our
set of beliefs and our belief systems and, you know, what kind of programming
we have had or have or continue to have.
And, you know, so I do believe that anyone can get healthier.
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I'm not saying everyone is, you know, going to get skinny and strong and stay
that way forever, you know.
But I do love helping people with more of the inner work that it takes to really
truly believe that they can lose weight and keep it off.
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In general, do you think it's a mental problem more than a physical problem? Yes.
I agree. Yeah. And I don't know what's happened in our society over,
and once again, like the last 50 years is my best guess, and it seems to be getting worse.
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Yeah. And I've learned how to control not just my intake,
but actually when I take in the food and other ways to metabolize it and to, I guess, burn calories.
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And for years, I thought what everyone else thought.
Well, calories in, calories out. And if you go to the gym and exercise,
you can eat what you want. No, no, no, no, no.
I learned years ago because I lost 35 pounds too quickly, actually.
I think I did some damage to myself, but I lost 35 pounds within two months, I think.
Oh, wow. Yeah, that's a lot. weeks and i
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did it solely through diet i
didn't walk i didn't run didn't lift weights actually
lifting weights you're likely to gain weight if you really want to lose weight
it you know you have to uh through diet but
what i've learned though is if i
stop eating at a certain time of day like my
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last meal at seven and if i get good sleep
sleep's important yes circadian rhythm
and is good for burning the the calories and
cell rejuvenation and and i know it sounds like hocus pocus because people say
well i'll sleep when i die i don't really have time to sleep now and and what's
interesting is that the people who are running around so much who who are stressed
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who aren't getting sleep are the biggest people yeah that's true.
Yeah. You know, I'm a big believer in intermittent fasting. I've been doing
it for the last five years.
You know, I'm currently on day three of a 72-hour fast, which I don't recommend
to anyone that's like brand new at fasting at all.
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I always, you know, ease people into doing longer fasts. And you know,
there's definitely a healthy process on doing that.
But But, you know, for me, it's been a game changer, you know, doing that.
And I do feel like it allows, there's so much flexibility with intermittent fasting.
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And then when you add high-quality collagen or, you know, a metabolism type
stuff and nutrition, I mean, it really just turns your body into like a fat-burning furnace.
And, you know, for me, I'm like, yeah, I don't want to just lose it and keep
finding it. But, you know, it seems like that's what everybody loses 10,
gains back 15, loses 20, gains back 25.
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Like I wanted to release it for good, you know.
And so, you know, I fluctuate maybe three to five pounds, but I always know why, you know.
You know, it's interesting. You know that you fluctuate and you know why.
And so my wife asked me, she says, hey, Jim, why do you weigh yourself every
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day? And I'm like, why does a business owner look at their numbers every day?
I mean, we have KPIs in business.
Why don't we measure every day cholesterol, blood pressure, weight,
all of these important components to survival? And I'm going to get on my soapbox a little bit here.
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We only have so much time on on Earth.
And according to Tony Robbins, apparently we'll have more time if we can just
hold off a little while longer. Believe it. I believe it.
But we only have so much time on earth, yet we run around in this rat race to
keep up with the Joneses, to buy things that we're going to end up throwing
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out or maybe selling at a garage sale for pennies on the dollar.
Yeah. And we aren't taking care of ourselves physically and mentally,
in my opinion. I'm generalizing.
I agree. And so why not know what you weigh?
I mean, you should know. No, like the doctor asks you, what do you weigh?
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You shouldn't be off by 10 pounds. You shouldn't go within a couple of pounds.
If someone asks me what my blood pressure is now, now, if you're 25 and healthy,
that might not be a big issue, but it'd be a good idea to know because there
are some people who are young who do have abnormal blood pressure.
So it'd be good to know. But some of these.
These indicators are important for your health and to know your numbers.
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They say in business, know your numbers.
Yeah. A lot of these people in business don't know their numbers,
their physical numbers.
And it blows my mind.
Yeah, mine too. Me too. Well, and, you know, even with network marketing,
with business, like you said, with your health, like, you know,
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I always tell people clarity is power.
One of my biggest, you know, things that I do every year is this,
the most powerful goal setting call of the year.
People can find that at michellebarnes.com. It's free. um but i'm telling you
like a lot of people they don't even know what they want and it's like,
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clarity has power so how are you going to get to
here if you don't even know what here is yeah you know and so what you know
i always tell people like okay if you're here and you want to get here what
do we need to do to close that gap you know what what and and i'm very much
of uh i'm not an analytical person,
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but I'm very much like, just tell me what the driving behaviors are,
you know, to get from here to here, you know, and I just do that.
And for me, I think that's why I've been really successful in network marketing
is because I tracked my numbers and I do the things that I know will move my
business forward every day, just like I do for my health.
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You know, it is about, for me, it's about 90-10.
You know, about 10% of the time, I like to go have Mexican food and a good margarita, you know.
Now you're talking my language. Oh, man, just give me some queso. It's like game over.
But I don't do it every day, you know. And I do intermittent fasting and I do
eat clean and I do make good choices about 90, 85, 90% of the time.
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That is interesting because you and I are on the same page.
I don't eat totally clean. The Lord blessed me with taste buds, which is a curse, right?
I mean, that's the biggest curse because honestly, Fruit Loops and Coca-Cola
tasted horrible and queso wasn't good.
We'd all be a lot thinner. We would eat just to eat. I know some people who don't like to eat.
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They find it a chore. Most of those people actually look fit.
And if they're eating the right food, they're probably in pretty good shape.
Like most people, I love chocolate. I love sweet drinks.
I love cheese. I like all the bad, like, you know, a tortilla.
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Well, tortilla, speaking of the devil, that's worse than eating a cup of sugar. I know, right?
So good, though. But once in a while, it's okay. okay it
is but i will tell you though when
i i i i kind of fall off
the wagon which is on purpose meaning i'm like all right let's do you
know let's do mexican so i'm intentionally hopping off the wagon if you will
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yeah me too sometimes it's not worth it it's almost like drinking so i don't
drink as much as i i very like i i occasionally in a social setting i'll have
a couple of beers or a couple of glasses of wine.
Yeah. I used to party when I was young. Yeah.
Yeah. So if I go to a Mexican restaurant, especially if I'm drinking.
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But even if I'm not, just the food itself will throw my system off where I'm
like, I didn't even know if that was worth it because now I feel sluggish and
I don't know if I'm going to sleep as well.
And so that's my problem, which probably isn't a bad problem because if that's
the case, I'm probably going to avoid what was pleasure if it's no longer pleasure.
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And I know it's not good for me as good as eating cleaner than if I just eat clean, it's fine.
I'm on such a routine, it's crazy.
Do you recommend that people stick to a schedule? In other words,
I don't eat past seven. I go to sleep by 10.
I wake up by six. My first meal's not till 10 or 11. It depends,
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but, but let's say 10 and then I'll, you know, eat pretty much whatever I want,
but it's relatively clean until seven and it all goes round and round again.
And I exercise 90 minutes a day and I give myself some, you know,
mental time, at least an hour a day for my head.
Um, that seems to work for me. Do you recommend that?
I do, you know, I feel like if you have a routine and you have a good set of
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habits and you do that, you know, on repetition and repetition is the mother
of all learning, you know, so it's like the more we do something,
the more it's, I would say,
neurons that fire together, wire together.
So, it's almost like building a cable.
And with every habit or every choice we make, we're kind of making that cable stronger.
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So, whether it's good or bad, that's why it's hard to change bad habits,
you know, harder to change bad habits.
But I mean, I'll tell people like, look, we don't have to do this all at once.
Like you don't have to go off the deep end.
Like let's just change one bad habit. Like I'll have people trade out one bad
habit for one good habit for 30 days.
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And it makes such a difference that they realize, wow, what if I did that with
two or three other bad habits that I have?
And life is meant to be lived too, you know? Life's too short.
So I'm going to have the queso once in a while. I'm going to have the margarita,
you know? know, I'm going to have the chocolate once in a while.
You know, but I also just think, I think the more you have routine and the more
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you set up like good habits and set yourself up for success instead of failure,
you know, like my kids always get mad because I don't, you know,
have a lot of crap in the house.
And, you know, there's a reason for that, you know, and they still eat stuff.
They're teenage boys, you know, but, you know, when you can have a routine,
I have, an evening routine. I have a morning routine.
(23:28):
And I break my fast with almost the same thing every single day.
And I kind of just keep it simple.
But I will tell you, when I have salmon and some vegetables...
And maybe only one glass of wine compared to Mexican food and queso and a trough
of chips and salsa and a trough of margaritas, I just feel better, you know?
(23:52):
So it comes down to those choices. And every choice we make every second of
every day is either moving us closer to our goals or further away.
There is no neutral, you know?
Yeah, you are so much like me in terms of I eat the same thing over and over again. Yeah, I do too.
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So I eat, and I'm starting to eat things in order. So I heard you should eat protein first.
So as you break the fast, I heard it's best to eat protein first or almost always,
you know, regardless of what you're eating.
And then eat, you know, eat the fats and the carbs and so forth.
And so, you know, I eat, you know, two, three eggs every morning,
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scrambled, and I eat an avocado.
Yeah, me too. and and you know really gross
stuff like brussels sprouts and broccoli and
asparagus and i love that so there's no sauces on
it i don't even like salt and pepper on things and i think people think that
i'm like crazy but yeah i actually enjoy the taste of asparagus and i like eggs
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and avocados are awesome and those
are all really good for us and when you think about it if you go back.
Just a couple hundred years let's say you go back 500 years
those foods were all available
but fruit loops wasn't interesting what a concept yeah and and so the greens
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and the and the good proteins and so forth apparently have been good for us
for a long time and And we as a society have fallen off a wagon.
Yeah. We consume junk. And I'm really, really concerned for the welfare of the
people. Yeah, me too. Yeah.
Really, yeah. I am too. And that's why I'm so passionate about what I do.
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You know, it's probably why I'm even more passionate, even though I love health
and fitness and nutrition and wellness,
I'm even more passionate about teaching people how to kind of get,
giving people kind of that checkup from the neck up and teaching them how to
change their thoughts, which are going to change their feelings,
which are in turn going to change their actions and then their results.
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You know, positive in, positive out, negative in, negative out,
you know, And a lot of the programming that somebody has, take whatever age
we are, that's how many years of programming we have.
And if the programming is bad, it doesn't just happen overnight to change it.
You can only change your paradigm in two ways.
One is through a very emotional impact, which is typically negative,
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like when somebody finds out they have cancer.
Then they change everything. You know, they start to eat better and they start
to get all the toxins out of their homes and stuff.
And, you know, or the only other way is through repetition.
And so through repetition, you can change the paradigm.
And it's harder, you know, and it takes, and it's easy to do,
(26:52):
but easy not to do, you know, like Jim Rohn always says.
And um but changing changing
helping someone change their paradigm when it comes to health
when it comes to money um when
it comes to relationships and not saying by any means that that i've got it
all you know figured out because you know i'm still a work in progress every
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day and i work on myself every day and i learn every day and i'm trying to grow
every day um and so So, you know, we're all a work in progress,
but I do contribute a lot of my success in every area of my life to really being
intentional with the choices I make.
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You have to be intentional, but I want to go back to something that we were
just talking about that you were just talking.
I was thinking so many people need to hit rock bottom, whatever their rock bottom
is, before they'll make a change.
You know, whether it's financial, Dave Ramsey will talk about it all the time.
You know, if it's a financial thing, if it's a health thing,
(28:00):
like, oh, the doctor said I've got cancer, but I can beat it, he said, if I do this.
Yeah. All of a sudden they wake up.
I just posted something on Facebook and it's interesting.
I knew I'd get a lot of responses and it was, if your doctor told you that you
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had six months left to live, what would you do? Yeah, almost everyone said,
spend more time with my family, put things in order.
My next post is going to be.
Have you done that? Are you doing it? Why are we waiting? We can die tomorrow.
We can get sick tomorrow.
And I just I think it's hard for people.
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To be disciplined. Well, I know it's hard for people to be disciplined.
Oh, yeah. Self-discipline is the most important thing.
It's never been that difficult for me. And maybe that's why people like you and I are able to,
start businesses and be self-disciplined and go to bed at a certain time and
(29:06):
maybe not drink too many margaritas and, and eat better and exercise and, and,
you know, work from here up. Right.
And I want to help people like you do, but I don't know if most people want to be helped.
And it's a little frustrating. Or do you think they do? We just don't know how
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to help them because there are a lot of people that can't be helped.
I think a lot of people do.
But it's also, I think the majority of people look at that self-discipline piece as sacrifice.
And a lot of people look at sacrifice as a bad word.
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And, you know, my mentor was Bob Proctor and a very dear friend of mine.
And, you know, he would always say that, you know, sacrifice is giving something
of a lower value to receive something of a higher value.
And, you know, so yeah, you know, you might have to give up some of the,
you know, the sodas and the chips and things like that or fast food.
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But when you do give that up, you're giving up something of a lower value to
receive something of a higher value. you.
And, you know, I think if people can just give it enough time and give themselves enough grace,
and if you can teach people how to just live a healthier lifestyle overall versus
the things that are so restrictive that that human is never going to stick with it,
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people will have more success.
I've heard that we, as human beings, are wired for pleasure.
That's why gambling and porn and food and alcohol are all things that people can overconsume.
(30:58):
And all of those things I just mentioned are readily available more so now than before. Yeah.
Drug addicts. and it's because
i hate to say this but we're weak
in a way we're we're more drawn to pleasure we don't
like pain and people associate discipline and
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doing the right thing with it's painful it's it's not as pleasurable i much
rather sit in front of the television eat a bucket of fried chicken and watch
a reality show then go out ride my bike eat well and listen Listen to a nutritional podcast.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, life's about choices, you know?
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It is. And I, you know, it's like a religion.
I think the more you get on this side of it where you and I are,
the more we look at other people saying, do you not get it? Come join.
Look what's over here. I know. I know. Because I was somewhere more on that side.
Yeah. And now I'm over here. So look, you made the change. Yeah.
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You know? Yeah. But I'm not typical.
I've always been able to, once I put my mind to it, to do it.
A lot of people will fall off. They'll go back.
Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, Jim. I mean, it all starts with a decision, you know?
And the Latin term of decision, it means to cut off.
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And it means to cut off any alternative. And when somebody makes a decision
to do something, like everything comes into their life to help support that decision.
But a lot of people don't even make the decision.
They'd rather just sit and be a victim. And that's one of the biggest things
that I coach and mentor people on is taking, you know, Robin Sharma calls it
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APR, absolute personal responsibility.
And when someone starts to take 100% responsibility for where they are in their
life or aren't, whether it's finances, health, whatever, it's a game changer, you know?
And, but I would say the majority of people out there are victims.
They have a victim mindset instead of a victor mindset.
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They blame everybody around them. It's always someone else's fault.
You know, they justify, you know, well, this is just how I was born or this
is my, that's in my genes or whatever, which is BS.
You know, so they blame, they justify and they complain. Yep.
And those three things are a sign of a victim.
And, you know, a lot of times you got to get good at catching yourself when
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you're in victim mode versus like victor mode. Right.
So. So, yeah, no, I, I agree.
There are a lot of victims out there and you hit the nail on the head.
You identified their traits, someone else's fault.
I was born with a bad DNA pattern, whatever, you know, my great,
(33:59):
great grandfather was an alcoholic. So that's why I am.
Um, and, and it's, it's, you know, I would, you know, and, and I'll tell you
what's really interesting is that is all BS.
And you probably know this, but if not, this is an interesting statistic.
An immigrant to our country is four times more likely to become a millionaire
(34:23):
than an American born citizen.
I was born in New York City in 1966, a long time ago.
With a golden ticket. Yeah. That was, you're an American.
Yeah. America is where almost everybody wants to be. And the ones who don't
want to be here, they're lying.
There's a long lineup and a lot of people are coming into this country.
(34:46):
And we've been coming over for hundreds of years.
And I was born with this golden ticket.
Ticket but you get a cuban who is
paddles over in a bathtub hoping they make
the beach in miami before they get tackled by
the government and many more of those they're more likely to become a millionaire
(35:08):
and appreciate america more than we do it's mine i see it all the time yeah
well and in the statistics are what they are three percent of america retires
financially independent dependent. 1% is wealthy.
97% retire financially dependent on friends, family, and the federal government when they retire.
(35:28):
And that's after doing the 40-year plan. And I think that's why at 23,
it was just such a two-by-four to my forehead.
I was like, I'm going to be in that 97% category if I don't figure out how to do this on my own.
And I wasn't going to go work for 40 years, 40 hours a week for someone else,
building someone else's business, building someone else's dreams,
(35:50):
and having somebody tell me how much I was worth, you know?
And I would much rather work 80 hours a week for myself than 40 hours a week for someone else.
And, you know, that's just, that's just, I think, part of being an entrepreneur.
But, you know, like, we have a choice as Americans. We live in the land of the
(36:10):
free, for crying out loud.
It's like, do you want to be in the 3% or than 97%, you know?
And for me, that, that just hearing that at 23, I was like, I am going to be
in that 3% category, you know? And...
I'm going to make sure that I am in that 3% where I am financially free and
(36:31):
financially independent.
Michelle, I think a lot of people want to be in that 3%, and I'm sure a lot
of people want to have a BMI of 24.
Wanting's one thing, kicking butt and doing it's another.
And I love to see people's success stories in themselves when they say,
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I was here and And now I'm here,
whether that was I was a drug addict or I was addicted to gambling or I was
obese or something else.
And when people say I can't do it, it makes me crazy.
I'm telling you, there's someone paddling over from Cuba now in a bathtub.
(37:14):
And when I say bathtub, I remember years ago seeing a picture of a raft.
I think there was a bathtub attached to it. No joke. And, you know,
they'll do anything they can. And how about these people who are paraplegic or disabled?
They can't walk. They're in a wheelchair and they can play basketball better than I can.
(37:35):
I've got two legs and two arms and I'm taller than they are and they'll beat me.
What's all that about? I mean, come on. I mean, and I find the people who hit rock bottom.
And I think when you lose your legs, you might hit rock bottom.
You say, gosh, darn it, I'm going to do something.
And it's just amazing what we can do.
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So just, I guess my message today is...
Just get it together and be the best you can be and get help from people like
Michelle who work on herself every day and help other people every day. Yeah.
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Yeah, I heard something amazing one time that said, help the person that you
used to be, you know, and I grew up, you know, in the hood.
I mean, I was, you know, my mom was a single mom at 18 when she had me divorced
by the time I was nine months old, raised me by herself.
You know, we had no furniture. I mean, we didn't have anything.
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And, you know, the majority of the people that went to school in the same area didn't go to college.
I was the first person in my family to go to college. I went to law school for
a year, dropped out to do network marketing. But I was, you know,
I was $80,000 in debt when I got started in this business.
I was living paycheck to paycheck. I did have three jobs. I did live in a one-bedroom
(39:04):
apartment with like three people.
You know, so it's like, I know that if somebody has a true burning desire for a better life.
And they're coachable and they find people who have the results they want in
life and just do what that person is doing, they'll get the same results.
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They also got to be willing to work. So if you have a desire for a better life,
you're coachable and you're willing to work, sky's the limit,
you know, because everything else is figureoutable, you know?
It is. You just have to dial it in and you have to be disciplined.
But I will tell you this from my experience,
It's harder up front. So as painful as it seems in the beginning,
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when you get into the routine and you see the results you're getting,
which is the payoff, it's easier.
It's like anything else. In the beginning, it's difficult, whether it's fasting
or going on a diet or having to work out every day. It's all painful.
Well, and it's changing your mindset, too.
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You know like I tell people begin with the end in mind you know like how do you want to feel,
when you lose that 25 pounds like how
do you want to feel and when people start to think about how they are going
to feel if that they get that end result then that pleasure of oh my gosh I'm
going to look good in those jeans I'm going to look good when I walk in front
(40:34):
of that mirror you know I have a vacation coming up and I'm going to look good
and feel good there's a big difference you know,
When you feel that, whatever you're feeling is what you're attracting.
So if you don't like what you're attracting or you don't like your results, change the way you feel.
Yeah, I agree. Michelle, this has been great. Thank you so much for joining
me today here on the podcast. So fun, Jim.
(40:55):
It's so great to meet you and so much fun to have a conversation with you.
Yeah, it's been fun. All of Michelle's contact information and other great assets
are located in the show notes of this podcast.
Thank you, my dear. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you so much.
And tell Jordan I said thank you and that I love him to pieces.
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