Blue Planet Show: Makani Andrews on Foiling and Racing #40

Young Ripper Makani Andrews on Racing, Foiling & Olympic Dreams | The Blue Planet Show   Join Robert Stehlik in another exciting episode of the Blue Planet Show featuring 17-year-old Makani Andrews, a rising star in the world of competitive foiling and windsurfing on Oahu, Hawaii. Despite only having three years of experience in both sports, Makani has already made significant strides, traveling and competing in multiple events, including the Olympic trials in Miami, the Youth Worlds in Italy, and the World Champs in Spain. His notable achievements include clinching first place in C19 and 5th or 6th overall at the Nationals in San Francisco. Makani discusses his ambitions for the 2028 Long Beach Olympics and the rigorous qualifications required. He elaborates on the similarities and differences between windsurf foiling and wing foiling, emphasizing the advanced equipment needed for competitive racing. Makani also shares insights into his training routines at Kaneohe Bay and highlights the benefits of various gear setups, including the difference between single and double canopy wings. The discussion extends to detailed technical aspects of foils, including the importance of shimming for performance optimization. Makani's partnership with PPC and Sobfoils is also explored, showcasing the latest innovations in wing and foil design. The episode concludes with a look at the high-quality construction and customizable features of Sobfoils' products, making them suitable for both everyday use and high-stakes competitive racing. Follow Makani Andrews on Instagram (@makani.andrews) to stay updated on his latest sessions and achievements. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:33 Makani's Journey in Foiling and Windsurfing 01:46 Olympic Campaign and Competitions 03:31 Comparing Windsurf Foiling and Wing Foiling 07:18 Growing Up in Kaneohe and Early Sailing Days 11:39 Wing Foil Racing Equipment and Innovations 17:01 Sponsorships and Future Prospects 18:37 Exciting New Gear from Sobfoil 18:57 Exclusive Dealer in Hawaii 19:06 Exploring the Medusa Pro 19:25 Introducing the Leviathan 1350 19:58 Pump Foiling Insights 21:08 Convenient Mast System 22:43 Customizing Your Foil Setup 30:02 Razor Pro for Surf Foiling 32:33 Red Devil vs. Other Foils 34:48 Final Thoughts and Social Media  

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Aloha, I'm Robert Stehlik.
Welcome to another episode of the Blue Planet show.
I'm here with Makani Andrews.
Welcome to the show. 5 00:00:07,370.1 --> 00:00:12,49.9995 Thanks for coming You're one of the young rippers here on Oahu. 6 00:00:12,49.9995 --> 00:00:16,930.001 We've been doing a lot of racing foiling and Wind surf foiling.
Yeah, I've been riding.
Yeah I saw for about a year now and been wind surfing for about three years since COVID started same before I think started 2019 Oh, so you've only been doing it for three years.

(00:28):
Yeah.
Both sports.
Yeah.
and how old are you? I'm 17.
17.
Okay.
.0005So, this summer in 2024, you've been traveling a bunch of different races and stuff like that. 16 00:00:39,75.0005 --> 00:00:42,415 So talk a little bit about what you did in the last season.
this year I started in January.
.999We started in Miami for the Olympic trials for the teen trials for USA.

(00:49):
Yeah, I went really good.
I think I did 6th or 5th.
And then after that, started competing in some youth events for the Youth Worlds qualifier.
Went to Italy for the Youth Worlds, the Nationals, and France, Yeah, then just came back from Spain actually from three weeks ago for the World Champs.

(01:09):
Mhm.
Went to the Gorge for about a month.
.999After Europe, just for training with all my friends for the Winkville Nationals and then drove down from Oregon to California and San Francisco for the Nationals.
.999Yeah, and so what were your results and so on? I did first C19 and I think 5th or 6th overall, which I was pretty stoked about. 27 00:01:34,539.999 --> 00:01:35,939.999 That was in San Francisco? Yeah. 28 00:01:36,414.999 --> 00:01:36,654.999 Nice. 29 00:01:36,654.999 --> 00:01:41,774.999 And that's probably, would you say that's the most competitive for the wing foil racing? Yeah, for sure. 30 00:01:41,924.999 --> 00:01:44,84.999 There's actually a pretty big fleet in the U. 31 00:01:44,84.999 --> 00:01:44,234.999 S. 32 00:01:44,234.999 --> 00:01:46,904.999 for wing foil and San Francisco is definitely the hub of all that. 33 00:01:46,905.099 --> 00:02:09,349.998 And then in terms of the, the IQ windsurf foiling is an Olympic sport now, right? So, what do you need to qualify for the Olympics? Yeah, I'm definitely campaigning for this next cycle coming up in Long Beach is the 2028 Olympics and Yeah, I'm definitely gonna put a lot of effort into that for the next four years. 34 00:02:10,189.998 --> 00:02:16,129.998 First, you gotta qualify in the team trials and qualify the country later on after that. 35 00:02:16,969.998 --> 00:02:31,419.996 So, and so what are, so the first step is to qualify for the team trials? how many people are gonna be in, in the final race, I guess, or like, how, how does that work? the national qualifier for the team isn't pretty big. 36 00:02:31,949.996 --> 00:02:35,849.996 There's only really me, Noah, and Garrett in the U. 37 00:02:35,849.996 --> 00:02:35,999.996 S. 38 00:02:35,999.996 --> 00:02:42,89.996 right now that are training for the IQ, but on a world stage, we're pretty high up there. 39 00:02:43,99.996 --> 00:02:48,529.9955 So, it's not a very huge fleet, but it's definitely really competitive in the U. 40 00:02:48,529.9955 --> 00:02:48,809.995 S. 41 00:02:48,909.997 --> 00:02:49,349.997 Okay. 42 00:02:50,39.996 --> 00:02:53,989.896 So, in the Paris games, who won the gold? The regatta, or won for the U. 43 00:02:53,989.896 --> 00:02:54,89.796 S.? 44 00:02:54,789.896 --> 00:02:56,889.796 for the overall world, you know, the global world. 45 00:02:56,889.896 --> 00:03:01,639.896 Yeah, so Israel got first and then followed by Australia and then, the Netherlands. 46 00:03:02,19.896 --> 00:03:02,529.8955 Interesting. 47 00:03:02,529.8955 --> 00:03:02,989.8955 So U. 48 00:03:02,989.8955 --> 00:03:03,249.895 S. 49 00:03:03,249.896 --> 00:03:05,149.896 wasn't in the top They were top 10. 50 00:03:05,369.896 --> 00:03:07,679.796 I think they got 7th or 8th. 51 00:03:07,679.896 --> 00:03:09,599.895 Okay, who, and who was the racer for the U. 52 00:03:09,599.896 --> 00:03:09,709.896 S.? 53 00:03:09,729.895 --> 00:03:10,849.896 That was Noah Lyons, yeah. 54 00:03:10,849.896 --> 00:03:11,569.896 Noah, okay. 55 00:03:12,99.896 --> 00:03:16,519.896 So would you say he's your biggest, Competitor for the next Olympics. 56 00:03:16,529.896 --> 00:03:17,289.896 Yeah, for sure. 57 00:03:17,289.896 --> 00:03:21,409.896 But I see him more as a training partner and definitely going to be putting a lot of work with him the next four years. 58 00:03:21,479.896 --> 00:03:22,969.896 Just pushing each other to get better. 59 00:03:23,339.896 --> 00:03:24,39.897 Yeah, cool. 60 00:03:24,39.897 --> 00:03:28,319.897 And so you guys train a lot in Kaneohe Bay? Yeah, that's kind of our main spot. 61 00:03:28,389.897 --> 00:03:29,139.897 At the yacht club. 62 00:03:29,139.897 --> 00:03:29,929.897 Yeah, at the yacht club there. 63 00:03:30,19.897 --> 00:03:30,749.897 Nice, yeah. 64 00:03:31,549.897 --> 00:03:44,869.897 So, And like, how would you, how would you compare the windsurf foiling with the wing foiling, like what, how is it? I'd say it's really similar, like I definitely switch off between them, between those two disciplines a lot. 65 00:03:45,139.896 --> 00:03:47,299.896 Definitely the racing aspect is the same. 66 00:03:48,189.898 --> 00:03:54,279.897 A lot of board handling is different because the sail is not attached to the board on the wing, but the windsurfer it is. 67 00:03:54,999.897 --> 00:03:57,939.897 But you definitely get a lot better feel for the kit on the wing foil. 68 00:03:57,949.897 --> 00:03:58,549.897 It's kind of my favorite. 69 00:03:59,459.897 --> 00:04:15,439.8965 Water sport is the wing because you can really feel the foil and you're holding The wing and you kind of just feel everything that you're doing on the water, which is pretty cool And i've noticed too like it seems like the the foils are kind of different too Like you use a longer fuselage and stuff for windsurf foiling, right? Yeah. 70 00:04:15,439.8965 --> 00:04:24,419.897 Yeah Why is that? Why do you need a longer fuselage for the windsurf? I think the longer the fuse the more lift you get it's also much more stabler You can see on the windsurfers. 71 00:04:24,439.897 --> 00:04:26,339.897 We use huge on the windsurfer. 72 00:04:26,339.897 --> 00:04:35,199.897 We use huge boards and You really need that fuse to point upwind, to be stable, to really push the kit really fast, too, on top speeds. 73 00:04:35,299.897 --> 00:04:36,879.897 For stability kind of thing? Yeah, for sure. 74 00:04:37,139.897 --> 00:04:44,769.897 But, are you able to get foiling in lighter winds because you have a bigger board and big sail and stuff like that? Yeah, for sure. 75 00:04:44,799.897 --> 00:04:51,99.896 So, I think when the foil came out, we started using these huge boards. 76 00:04:51,739.896 --> 00:04:54,969.896 They're on really narrow boards, really small sinkers. 77 00:04:55,439.896 --> 00:05:03,199.895 And they're on huge like floaty boards, but once they're out of the water, it's really no drag at all. 78 00:05:03,209.896 --> 00:05:04,29.896 So it's really nice. 79 00:05:05,409.895 --> 00:05:09,19.896 But the big boards, does this helps to get going in lighter winds? Yeah, for sure. 80 00:05:09,169.896 --> 00:05:10,709.896 Is that why you choose those? Yeah, definitely. 81 00:05:10,709.896 --> 00:05:12,529.896 Just because of that lighter. 82 00:05:13,269.896 --> 00:05:14,879.896 Heavier, you could go smaller board. 83 00:05:15,529.896 --> 00:05:17,409.896 And it'd be a lot more stabler almost. 84 00:05:17,409.896 --> 00:05:18,909.896 Your board wouldn't hit the water as much. 85 00:05:18,919.896 --> 00:05:21,569.896 But yeah, it's just for that lighter kind of sessions. 86 00:05:21,689.896 --> 00:05:26,649.895 But is, it's like a, is it a one division where you have to use, everyone has to use the same equipment? Yeah, it's one design. 87 00:05:26,649.896 --> 00:05:27,884.946 So everyone has to use the same stuff. 88 00:05:27,884.946 --> 00:05:33,219.896 So you can't, like if it gets windy, you can't just use a smaller one? No, it's kind of just got to hold on, pull on some more. 89 00:05:33,219.896 --> 00:05:37,399.896 What about the sails? Are they always the same size or? It's all one design. 90 00:05:37,689.896 --> 00:05:40,84.796 So everyone's, for the men, everyone's on 8 0. 91 00:05:41,44.896 --> 00:05:44,974.896 But if you're in the U15 category, you can go on smaller sails if you want to. 92 00:05:46,134.896 --> 00:05:51,534.895 Oh, so eight meter, no matter how, how windy it is, strong winds or whatever, everyone's using that. 93 00:05:51,634.896 --> 00:05:56,474.896 Usually like maybe six to 25 knots in that window. 94 00:05:56,794.895 --> 00:06:01,234.895 Right now, wings in a really like, I don't know, it's in this place where. 95 00:06:01,839.895 --> 00:06:14,479.895 The gear is so advanced and everyone's coming out with new stuff, like, it's kind of just like, spiking in, foil, people making new race foils. 96 00:06:14,489.894 --> 00:06:20,199.895 So like, whenever a new foil comes out, everyone buys that foil and everyone gets a lot faster. 97 00:06:21,39.895 --> 00:06:27,169.895 So I think once that slows down and everyone can pick a brand that works, I don't know, similar for everyone, I can. 98 00:06:27,914.895 --> 00:06:34,54.895 Come to that point, like the IQ or it's one design and everyone's on the same level and can be a lot more competitive. 99 00:06:34,634.895 --> 00:06:34,934.895 Yeah. 100 00:06:35,4.895 --> 00:06:44,464.8935 I mean, I guess in the Olympics, like all those kinds of sports are pretty, like, it's really, red, like there's a lot of rules on what you can use, right? So it's kind of standardized equipment. 101 00:06:45,54.8935 --> 00:06:49,214.8935 would that have to happen for wing flailing to become an Olympic sport? Yeah, for sure. 102 00:06:49,674.8935 --> 00:06:51,574.8935 It's kind of having a push for it right now. 103 00:06:51,584.8935 --> 00:06:56,154.8935 Starboard came out with the first one design equipment for the wing foil. 104 00:06:56,704.8935 --> 00:07:02,694.8935 And it's not going to be in the Olympics for Long Beach, but it might be after that for Australia. 105 00:07:03,434.8925 --> 00:07:04,624.8925 2032, yeah. 106 00:07:05,859.8935 --> 00:07:15,459.8925 I know stand up paddling is kind of making that push for getting into the Olympics too, but I think it's kind of challenging because it's under the surfing, you know, and surfing just became an Olympic sport. 107 00:07:15,539.8925 --> 00:07:16,339.892 We'll see about that. 108 00:07:16,339.892 --> 00:07:18,519.8915 But, yeah, that's exciting. 109 00:07:18,519.8925 --> 00:07:26,709.8925 So, but tell us a little bit about how, how you grew up, you know, are you born, born and raised on Oahu? Yeah, I was born and raised in Kane'ohe. 110 00:07:26,709.9925 --> 00:07:27,259.7925 Okay. 111 00:07:27,889.8925 --> 00:07:30,929.8925 And I've been sailing my whole life since five years old. 112 00:07:31,429.8925 --> 00:07:37,609.8925 What kind of sailing were you doing? Same yacht club, but we're sailing Bix and Alturos, stuff like that. 113 00:07:37,619.8925 --> 00:07:41,39.8925 Then slowly got up to bigger, faster boats. 114 00:07:41,39.8925 --> 00:07:46,689.8935 And then during COVID, my friend's dad, Mark works for Allman. 115 00:07:46,689.8935 --> 00:07:47,439.8935 He's the manager there. 116 00:07:47,489.8935 --> 00:07:50,759.8935 Allman sails came out with these wings and he got us on them. 117 00:07:50,759.8935 --> 00:07:53,29.8935 And then we really, Fell in love with that. 118 00:07:53,69.8935 --> 00:07:54,459.8935 That's kind of how we started foiling. 119 00:07:54,459.9935 --> 00:07:59,229.8935 And after that started surf foiling, kite foiling, and eventually windsurfing too. 120 00:07:59,899.8935 --> 00:08:04,389.8925 And now we have this huge kind of like background of water sports, which is really cool. 121 00:08:04,559.8935 --> 00:08:12,539.8925 So do you ever, did you ever sail on those, the moths or the foiling sailboats? Yeah, I started wasping too during COVID. 122 00:08:12,539.9925 --> 00:08:16,819.8925 And it was really fun, but I don't know, the wingfo is a lot more simple. 123 00:08:17,514.8925 --> 00:08:20,584.8925 And a lot easier, more rider friendly, and I kind of stuck with that. 124 00:08:21,884.8925 --> 00:08:29,754.8925 So in terms of fun factor, how would you compare, wing foiling to windsurf foiling? Yeah, definitely wing is the funnest cause you can do everything with it. 125 00:08:29,754.8925 --> 00:08:34,164.8925 You know, you can ride waves, you can do freestyle and you can even race on them now, which is pretty cool. 126 00:08:34,734.8925 --> 00:08:37,414.8925 Windsurfing is more racing strictly, I guess. 127 00:08:38,194.8915 --> 00:08:40,184.8925 Can freestyle on it, but the race stuff is. 128 00:08:41,774.8925 --> 00:08:43,994.8925 Pretty, I don't know, fragile. 129 00:08:44,24.8925 --> 00:08:45,284.8925 So you can't really do stuff with that. 130 00:08:45,584.8925 --> 00:08:45,974.8925 Right. 131 00:08:46,614.8925 --> 00:08:50,574.8925 But then I guess guys like Baltz Muller do some pretty crazy freestyle stuff. 132 00:08:50,614.8925 --> 00:08:50,954.8925 yeah. 133 00:08:50,954.8925 --> 00:08:53,544.7925 And the wings are foiling too, yeah. 134 00:08:53,544.8925 --> 00:08:54,64.8915 but yeah. 135 00:08:54,74.8915 --> 00:08:58,364.7925 I guess on the race gear you have to be careful not to break stuff, right? Yeah. 136 00:08:58,364.8925 --> 00:09:03,814.8925 so you started sailing and then basically through your yacht club is how you got into foiling? Yeah. 137 00:09:03,824.8925 --> 00:09:04,524.8925 The yacht club? Yeah. 138 00:09:04,584.8925 --> 00:09:12,809.85816667 and then you have a pretty good group of young, young guys there, or young kids, guys and girls that are into, the whole, racing. 139 00:09:12,809.85816667 --> 00:09:14,54.7915 Yeah, it's a pretty big program over there. 140 00:09:14,244.7915 --> 00:09:14,574.7915 Yeah. 141 00:09:14,994.7915 --> 00:09:19,384.7915 So how many, how many youths are in that program? I think definitely over 20. 142 00:09:19,384.8915 --> 00:09:19,399.6915 Cool. 143 00:09:20,449.7915 --> 00:09:26,209.7915 And then maybe over five girls to that sale down there consistently. 144 00:09:28,479.7915 --> 00:09:30,309.7915 One of them is your sister, right? Yeah. 145 00:09:30,319.7915 --> 00:09:31,429.7915 She's in college right now though. 146 00:09:31,469.7915 --> 00:09:32,29.7915 Okay. 147 00:09:32,399.7915 --> 00:09:35,999.7915 Is she trying to get into Olympics too? Or like, I don't know. 148 00:09:36,9.7905 --> 00:09:41,669.7915 She's going to try for the Pan American qualifiers, IQ. 149 00:09:41,739.7915 --> 00:09:45,499.7915 Like, You know, I mentioned you at the same sale for all kinds of wins. 150 00:09:45,509.7915 --> 00:09:49,279.7915 So when it gets really windy, the bigger people tend to do better. 151 00:09:49,989.7915 --> 00:09:55,349.7915 So it was at that point where you had to be over 200 pounds to be competitive and all wins. 152 00:09:55,889.7905 --> 00:09:58,889.7915 But now they did a sale change from the nine meter to the eight meter for the men. 153 00:09:59,119.7905 --> 00:10:05,319.7915 So you can be a lot lighter and it's going to have a lot more involvement with people because they don't need to be 200 pounds to succeed in that. 154 00:10:06,609.7915 --> 00:10:07,989.7915 a lot of people benefited from that. 155 00:10:08,29.7915 --> 00:10:11,389.7905 Like my sister, she doesn't need to be heavy and she can. 156 00:10:11,904.7915 --> 00:10:13,544.7915 compete on a fair level with everyone else. 157 00:10:13,984.7915 --> 00:10:16,804.7915 So she's going to try for the junior Pan American games this year. 158 00:10:17,74.7915 --> 00:10:17,424.7915 Cool. 159 00:10:17,744.7915 --> 00:10:21,774.7915 And then so for the women, it's the same size, eight meters? Yeah. 160 00:10:21,774.7915 --> 00:10:28,384.7915 So they were on the eights and they went down from a eight meter to a, I think it was a 7. 161 00:10:28,404.7905 --> 00:10:30,4.7915 2 or something like that. 162 00:10:30,894.7915 --> 00:10:31,254.7915 Okay. 163 00:10:31,254.7915 --> 00:10:34,234.7915 So that makes it more competitive for the average person. 164 00:10:34,664.7915 --> 00:10:35,194.7915 Interesting. 165 00:10:35,274.7915 --> 00:10:45,104.7915 I saw like at one of the trade shows, I saw Sven was showing me the one design wing foil wing and had like a zipper on it, so you can take off part of it or something. 166 00:10:45,104.7915 --> 00:10:46,614.7915 It's kind of more budget friendly. 167 00:10:46,614.7915 --> 00:10:56,474.7915 Like you don't need to buy, wing is kind of limited because you have to buy all these wings from six to four meter to race in all these kind of wind conditions. 168 00:10:56,474.7915 --> 00:10:59,894.6915 Cause you can't depower the sail, like the IQ. 169 00:10:59,894.7915 --> 00:11:03,134.7905 So that kind of idea behind that is you only need to buy one wing, maybe. 170 00:11:04,74.7915 --> 00:11:08,74.7915 For all winds and you could unzip part of the canopy to de power it. 171 00:11:08,174.7915 --> 00:11:18,274.7915 And then, yeah, that's, I guess the thing about the one design is that you, everyone has the same equipment, right? And I guess you can choose to take off part of the wing if it's too windy or too overpowered or something like that. 172 00:11:19,44.7905 --> 00:11:24,284.7915 I mean, and I guess that is a good concept to make it more fair for people that can't buy all the latest and greatest equipment. 173 00:11:24,284.7915 --> 00:11:24,904.7915 Yeah, for sure. 174 00:11:24,954.7915 --> 00:11:27,754.7905 the more budget friendly it is, the more involvement you're going to get. 175 00:11:27,894.7915 --> 00:11:39,144.7915 And foiling is really, on that tough side of getting that best equipment, but having that aspect of being able to use one wing for all wins is kind of a good idea. 176 00:11:39,364.7915 --> 00:11:43,324.791 let's talk a little bit about the wing for racing and the equipment and so on. 177 00:11:43,324.791 --> 00:11:54,569.7915 So, like what, what do you like, I guess, during like this last summer, it seemed like a lot of the racers were on the Ozone Fusion Wings with the two layer wings. 178 00:11:54,569.8915 --> 00:12:09,849.7905 And what was your experience with that and like, how much difference is there between a single layer wing and one of those? Kind of like I said before, it's really in that spot where Ozone just came out with that double skin wing. 179 00:12:09,899.7905 --> 00:12:10,919.7905 it's inflatable even. 180 00:12:11,699.7915 --> 00:12:17,449.7915 And it had a huge, I don't know, it was a huge improvement in all like angles, upwind and downwind. 181 00:12:17,989.7915 --> 00:12:28,639.7915 And with that just coming out before the event, and everyone having those, it was really like, above all the other models I guess, with single skins and all that. 182 00:12:28,949.7915 --> 00:12:34,349.7915 But now all the other companies are kind of catching up to that, making double canopies. 183 00:12:35,369.7915 --> 00:12:40,39.7915 And, I think it's going to catch up to that, but yeah, the double skins were definitely fast. 184 00:12:40,89.7915 --> 00:12:55,939.792 so the double canopy, it basically just reduces the amount of drag the wing has, like instead of having a huge bladder and canopy, and having a huge turbulence in front of that, having two layers tapering off to the leech makes it a lot more, wind flow better on the wing. 185 00:12:56,249.792 --> 00:13:03,299.792 Yeah, I mean I've noticed, I've done some testing too and I've noticed that just, especially going upwind, it's a lot faster and you can just get a steeper angle. 186 00:13:03,349.792 --> 00:13:09,939.792 Going faster at a steeper angle into the wind, just cause it, yeah, the less, it has less drag, noticeably less drag. 187 00:13:09,939.792 --> 00:13:17,59.792 And I think in the downwind I didn't notice as much of a difference, but you, you think it, it's faster on all angles? downwind it was pretty tough. 188 00:13:17,59.792 --> 00:13:20,289.792 We did a little downwind race from Oregon, it was like half an hour. 189 00:13:21,29.792 --> 00:13:58,64.791 The single skins actually did a lot better just because for the inflatable Ozone wings, you kind of have to be going Really fast for them to work really good because on the wing to get the best angle down when you have to pump your wing pump your board and Essentially, you'll go deeper downwind those single skins do work better on strictly downwind races, so maybe like the Molokai to Wahoo That's the experience I had too that for those kind of races, it seems like, on the lower end, when you pump up to get going, the single skin seemed to have more power, more feedback. 190 00:13:58,64.791 --> 00:14:08,94.791 So I definitely think it's going to stick for freestyle and all that with the single skins, but maybe in the future you'll see more wings turn into like the formula kites where it's that kind of inflatable wing. 191 00:14:08,94.791 --> 00:14:18,544.79 I think we'll see a lot of innovation, but like you said, for free riding for the average user, those double skin kites or wings are just too high maintenance. 192 00:14:18,544.791 --> 00:14:21,294.7905 And like, they're really lightweight construction too. 193 00:14:21,294.7905 --> 00:14:22,374.79 So they're fragile. 194 00:14:22,724.79 --> 00:14:26,704.79 And then if you get water inside, Like it's really like impossible to fix too. 195 00:14:26,714.79 --> 00:14:34,234.789 Like with that canopy being really fragile and I don't know, I don't see it being good for freestyle. 196 00:14:34,254.789 --> 00:14:34,714.789 Yeah. 197 00:14:34,784.79 --> 00:14:46,474.789 I mean, for the average users, I wouldn't recommend those wings, but I mean, for racing, if you just outfit to have the fastest time, then, in those really competitive races, it's like you had to be on one of those to be competitive, right? Yeah. 198 00:14:46,904.789 --> 00:14:47,664.789 So. 199 00:14:48,29.789 --> 00:14:58,79.789 and I've always thought, most of the speed comes from the foil, you know, like the foil makes the biggest difference in the speed, but it seems like the wing has become a lot more important. 200 00:14:58,239.789 --> 00:14:58,559.789 recently. 201 00:14:59,429.789 --> 00:15:11,529.789 having a whole different concept on your wing with, double skins works a lot, but my sponsor right now, PPC for the wings, we're doing kind of a double canopy and I think it's going to, Be really successful against the ozones too. 202 00:15:11,859.789 --> 00:15:21,229.789 Okay, so how does, PPC, double canopy wing compared to the ozone one? I'm getting a shipment soon and then we'll do some testing with my friends back in Conway. 203 00:15:21,379.789 --> 00:15:22,399.789 See how it compares. 204 00:15:22,399.789 --> 00:15:25,99.789 Make some more, Changes in it. 205 00:15:25,159.789 --> 00:15:34,269.789 Yeah, the design and work on the prototypes and stuff So but I think you told me that it wasn't like a full Like it doesn't go from all the way from the leading edge all the way to the back. 206 00:15:34,269.789 --> 00:15:49,179.788 It's just like kind of a part Yeah, so kind of idea with the double canopy instead of the inflatable ozone, like I said with the downwind racing you have huge gains with not having an inflatable wing like So the idea it's kind of a hybrid. 207 00:15:49,179.788 --> 00:15:55,349.788 It's okay upwind, but still good downwind And it's kind of more of an all around wing having a double canopy. 208 00:15:55,549.888 --> 00:16:04,799.887 I saw, Starboards had like that one design wing too had a double canopy kind of, but it was like only maybe two thirds of the wing was the inside canopy. 209 00:16:04,809.887 --> 00:16:05,399.937 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 210 00:16:05,399.937 --> 00:16:11,69.887 And then it was open on both ends so it seemed like the water would be able to drain out a lot easier too and stuff like that. 211 00:16:11,69.887 --> 00:16:22,659.887 So I guess it's more of a hybrid between Yeah, there's a lot of prototypes right now, but, I think from a year now, from now, like, all the companies will catch up to each other, and it'll be more of an even play, playing ground. 212 00:16:22,689.886 --> 00:16:26,939.887 Cause like, the foils, everyone's pretty similar to, with that. 213 00:16:28,79.887 --> 00:16:29,59.886 Right, okay. 214 00:16:30,524.887 --> 00:16:32,154.887 Well, yeah, I mean the foils. 215 00:16:32,154.887 --> 00:16:36,154.887 Yeah, I guess they're starting to look very much alike for racing. 216 00:16:36,154.887 --> 00:16:40,94.887 Everyone's using kind of pretty much everyone's using a variety of foils. 217 00:16:40,94.887 --> 00:16:42,384.887 More of a high aspect, long mass for sure. 218 00:16:42,384.887 --> 00:16:50,294.887 And the boards too, like they've gotten really narrow and long kind of like the kite foils and that's all pretty similar. 219 00:16:50,294.887 --> 00:16:53,994.887 There's, like I said, like a dozen brands that are really similar to each other. 220 00:16:53,994.987 --> 00:16:54,694.887 Mm hmm. 221 00:16:55,244.887 --> 00:16:56,489.787 And I think wings look. 222 00:16:56,789.887 --> 00:16:57,929.887 Be like that in the future. 223 00:16:57,929.987 --> 00:16:59,176.587 Okay. 224 00:16:59,176.587 --> 00:17:01,669.787 So yeah. 225 00:17:01,669.887 --> 00:17:06,239.887 Talk a little bit about your, like, I guess, PPC has been sponsoring you for wings. 226 00:17:07,89.887 --> 00:17:10,979.887 talk a little bit about their, their equipment and what you, what you see for the future. 227 00:17:11,239.886 --> 00:17:16,699.887 So yeah, PBC is really neat because I've never seen a wing that you can pump up more. 228 00:17:16,979.887 --> 00:17:22,259.887 We, they just did a video where they pumped their winged over 20 PSI and my wings I use right now. 229 00:17:24,429.887 --> 00:17:26,899.887 10 to 15 PSI for racing. 230 00:17:27,829.887 --> 00:17:34,179.887 And I definitely think once they get their new canopy designs for the wing racing, it'll be a lot faster. 231 00:17:35,329.887 --> 00:17:38,239.887 I also ride their boards too for that. 232 00:17:39,399.887 --> 00:17:50,49.888 Do they have a race specific model like that's made for wing racing? yeah, there's some prototypes out there and definitely gonna have one of those for production soon, I think. 233 00:17:50,279.888 --> 00:17:50,609.888 Okay. 234 00:17:51,694.888 --> 00:17:51,724.888 Okay. 235 00:17:51,724.888 --> 00:17:55,104.888 And then, for the foils, your sponsor is sob foils. 236 00:17:55,124.888 --> 00:17:55,494.888 Yeah. 237 00:17:55,494.888 --> 00:17:58,604.888 I've been really stoked on sob and all their wings. 238 00:17:59,484.888 --> 00:18:04,944.887 The red devil is super quick and super competitive with all the other brands, which is really nice. 239 00:18:05,124.887 --> 00:18:06,654.888 The red devil is what you use for racing. 240 00:18:06,664.888 --> 00:18:07,94.888 Yeah. 241 00:18:07,104.888 --> 00:18:07,334.888 Okay. 242 00:18:07,554.888 --> 00:18:13,584.888 What size are you using? I think a seven Oh four for the heavier and eight Oh four for the light wind. 243 00:18:14,64.888 --> 00:18:17,84.888 Yeah, everything else stays the same, like the mast and tail for all that. 244 00:18:17,184.888 --> 00:18:23,264.888 What's, what length mast do you use for racing? Shoot, I don't know, I think about a hundred centimeters, something around there. 245 00:18:23,294.887 --> 00:18:25,354.888 Yeah, about a meter, one meter, Yeah. 246 00:18:25,704.887 --> 00:18:35,694.888 okay, and then, in terms of fuselage, tail wing, Yeah, it's all on the Red Devil kit, all that stuff is online and it's what all the riders use. 247 00:18:36,4.888 --> 00:18:36,314.888 Okay. 248 00:18:37,229.888 --> 00:18:37,549.888 Yeah. 249 00:18:37,579.888 --> 00:18:38,19.888 Okay. 250 00:18:38,409.888 --> 00:18:40,349.888 And, they have some new stuff coming out. 251 00:18:40,349.888 --> 00:18:43,639.888 Are you going to try some of their new Yeah, I'm going to get some new stuff in. 252 00:18:43,639.888 --> 00:18:45,109.938 I'm really stoked on it. 253 00:18:45,109.938 --> 00:18:46,99.887 It looks really sick. 254 00:18:46,119.888 --> 00:18:49,249.888 Their new pump foils and new maybe even race stuff. 255 00:18:49,799.888 --> 00:18:57,769.788 So, yeah, we, I saw their stuff at the AWSI show in September in Hood River and, pretty impressed by their whole, the whole program they have and stuff like that. 256 00:18:57,769.888 --> 00:19:06,469.79 So, we became a, Sobfoil dealer, we're going to be the exclusive dealer here on Oahu and in Hawaii actually, so, pretty excited about it. 257 00:19:06,469.79 --> 00:19:13,929.79 And I've been using the Medusa Pro, forget what size, but one of the smaller wings for wing foiling. 258 00:19:13,939.79 --> 00:19:14,579.79 It's super fun. 259 00:19:14,589.789 --> 00:19:17,399.789 It has kind of a nice combination of glide. 260 00:19:17,724.79 --> 00:19:19,864.79 But still easy to turn and stuff like that. 261 00:19:19,894.79 --> 00:19:25,284.79 so i've really been liking the foil a lot and getting still getting used to it But let's talk about this one a little bit. 262 00:19:25,284.79 --> 00:19:36,734.79 This is the levithan It's a huge front wing Yeah, this is 1350 So it's a pump pump foiling for pump foiling. 263 00:19:37,334.79 --> 00:19:42,534.79 You haven't actually, tried it yet, but we're going to have you demo this one, right? Yeah, we're going to get out there on this one. 264 00:19:42,584.79 --> 00:19:53,94.789 what have you been using for pumping and stuff? I've been using the Razor Pro for surf oiling and Medusa, the small size for wing freestyle and all that. 265 00:19:53,244.789 --> 00:19:54,914.789 And then, yeah, the Red Devil for racing. 266 00:19:55,64.789 --> 00:19:58,394.789 And then, but for pumping, do you have anything for pumping right now? No, I don't. 267 00:19:58,664.789 --> 00:20:02,784.789 So I definitely think this one's going to be a lot more efficient with a huge front wing and the small mast. 268 00:20:02,974.789 --> 00:20:03,274.789 Yeah. 269 00:20:03,984.789 --> 00:20:09,724.789 So, the shorter mass, this is a 7, is it a 730? Yeah. 270 00:20:10,84.789 --> 00:20:15,714.789 So a little bit shorter mass makes it a little bit easier to get up on foil, right? Yeah, it's more efficient too. 271 00:20:15,714.789 --> 00:20:19,444.79 Like, the smaller mass, the more, like, feedback you have from the foil on each pump. 272 00:20:19,664.789 --> 00:20:21,274.789 So the longer it is, the less efficient it will be. 273 00:20:22,234.789 --> 00:20:25,104.789 but it's also more stiff to smaller than mass. 274 00:20:25,104.789 --> 00:20:28,694.789 So it's a pretty good option for pump foiling with that size. 275 00:20:28,914.789 --> 00:20:30,524.789 So stiffer, more efficient. 276 00:20:30,524.789 --> 00:20:33,114.789 And then I guess you also have less drag from the mass. 277 00:20:33,284.789 --> 00:20:37,4.7885 More like feedback to on your turns too, when you're reaching the wing coming back in. 278 00:20:37,554.7895 --> 00:20:37,834.7895 Hmm. 279 00:20:38,24.7885 --> 00:20:38,414.7885 Okay. 280 00:20:38,484.7895 --> 00:20:39,274.7885 This is also pretty nice. 281 00:20:39,524.7895 --> 00:20:43,394.7895 so I guess, yeah, you're going to looking forward to seeing you, get some footage with this one. 282 00:20:43,594.7895 --> 00:20:50,474.8895 So, yeah, we, we actually have, the stuff here in the shop, so maybe we can move over there and talk a little bit more about the foils. 283 00:20:51,44.8895 --> 00:20:51,214.8895 Let's do it. 284 00:20:51,334.8895 --> 00:20:52,504.8895 Alright, let's move over there. 285 00:20:52,684.8885 --> 00:20:56,704.8895 So, Makani, let's talk a little bit about the, the Saab foils. 286 00:20:57,434.8905 --> 00:21:00,364.8905 so, this is the, the pump foil we were just talking about. 287 00:21:00,374.8905 --> 00:21:03,684.8905 The, the big, Leviathan 1350. 288 00:21:04,324.8905 --> 00:21:06,994.8895 And, let's talk about the masts a little bit. 289 00:21:07,4.8905 --> 00:21:07,654.8905 So, they have this. 290 00:21:08,109.8905 --> 00:21:11,229.8905 mass space that you can easily detach. 291 00:21:11,229.8905 --> 00:21:19,759.8905 Like I found this super convenient cause you can basically mount the plate on your board with whatever, shims or whatever you want on it. 292 00:21:19,759.8905 --> 00:21:23,29.8895 And then you just take out one screw to take out the mass. 293 00:21:23,279.8905 --> 00:21:23,529.8905 Yeah. 294 00:21:23,529.8905 --> 00:21:25,559.8905 So for me, it's like I have three setups. 295 00:21:25,819.8905 --> 00:21:30,549.8905 I have my surf foil, wing foil, wing race, and I don't have many boards. 296 00:21:31,389.8905 --> 00:21:33,449.8905 So it's really convenient just keeping the same spot. 297 00:21:34,454.8905 --> 00:21:43,124.8905 And all you really need to do is just pop this one screw out and then switch your whole kid out for what you're trying to go for. 298 00:21:45,304.8905 --> 00:21:46,624.8895 It's really good fit too. 299 00:21:47,4.8905 --> 00:21:51,834.8895 So yeah, it's a tight fit, but if you have it mounted to your board, it's a little bit easier to pull it out. 300 00:21:51,884.8905 --> 00:21:55,724.8905 But no, it's a good, it's tight cause if it's loose and you don't want that wiggling around. 301 00:21:55,734.8905 --> 00:21:59,144.8905 So it's a really good system and I use this on all my stuff. 302 00:22:00,114.8905 --> 00:22:02,634.8905 and then all these parts are titanium too. 303 00:22:02,634.8905 --> 00:22:04,884.8905 this bolt has like kind of an angle on it. 304 00:22:04,884.8905 --> 00:22:11,254.8905 So when you tighten it, it automatically pulls the mass down into the slot and it makes it a super tight connection. 305 00:22:11,254.8905 --> 00:22:12,784.8905 There's really no wiggle at all. 306 00:22:12,794.8905 --> 00:22:15,374.8905 I hate when stuff gets loose, you know, I race stuff. 307 00:22:15,374.8905 --> 00:22:16,54.8905 I have it like that. 308 00:22:16,54.8905 --> 00:22:20,244.8895 I don't feel anything There's also two Screws up here. 309 00:22:20,714.8895 --> 00:22:24,94.8905 Yeah, you can bolt it together as well right down there. 310 00:22:24,94.8905 --> 00:22:26,124.8905 And then it can be one piece if you want that too. 311 00:22:26,264.8905 --> 00:22:32,624.8905 so you can use it basically as a one piece construction or, where you just take the plate off every time, or you can use it. 312 00:22:32,654.8915 --> 00:22:41,1.5258333 So you leave the plate on the board and just take out the mass, which is super convenient for quick on and off. 313 00:22:41,1.5258333 --> 00:22:42,591.5258333 so yeah, I've been liking that a lot. 314 00:22:42,741.5258333 --> 00:22:43,771.5258333 It really makes a difference. 315 00:22:43,771.5258333 --> 00:22:50,131.5268333 I mean, do you ever use the, Foils that just have a total mount like that mount right into the board. 316 00:22:50,141.5268333 --> 00:23:05,541.5268333 No, I don't I think for racing it's gonna go to that because it's definitely less drag and You can mess around a lot with the board angle too because you can shim it better like that Instead of sliding a plastic shim one degree shim in there. 317 00:23:05,541.5268333 --> 00:23:19,251.5268333 You can actually put like multiple degrees In the total box because idea of putting a plastic shim in here as the shimming gets more higher and your box goes away from it. 318 00:23:20,231.5258333 --> 00:23:24,1.5258333 The nuts on here tend to go on that angle also. 319 00:23:24,1.5268333 --> 00:23:26,141.5258333 So it ruins your box like that. 320 00:23:26,151.5268333 --> 00:23:28,191.5268333 So you can't shim it really past a degree. 321 00:23:29,121.5268333 --> 00:23:33,461.5268333 So I definitely think for the SUP racing and wing racing, you'll turn more to total box in the future. 322 00:23:34,321.5268333 --> 00:23:34,911.5268333 Interesting. 323 00:23:35,71.5268333 --> 00:23:39,291.6268333 And then the shims, you just put a, a shim, Inside the box, inside the title. 324 00:23:39,301.6268333 --> 00:23:43,841.6268333 In between the mass plate and the box of your board right now. 325 00:23:44,271.6268333 --> 00:23:47,591.6268333 but when you have a tuttle, shim, it goes on in the base of the tuttle box. 326 00:23:47,591.7268333 --> 00:23:48,231.7268333 Inside the tuttle box. 327 00:23:48,261.7268333 --> 00:23:49,331.7268333 That's what we do for IQ foil. 328 00:23:49,331.7268333 --> 00:23:49,611.7268333 Yeah. 329 00:23:50,161.7268333 --> 00:23:54,401.7258333 But I think these masks, they also have an adapter so you can use it with a tuttle box. 330 00:23:54,401.7258333 --> 00:23:54,681.7263333 Right? Yeah. 331 00:23:54,681.8263333 --> 00:23:55,681.7253333 That's kind of the idea of this. 332 00:23:55,691.7253333 --> 00:23:57,321.7263333 So then you can also do the pouch. 333 00:23:57,331.7263333 --> 00:23:57,941.7253333 It's pretty cool. 334 00:23:57,971.7253333 --> 00:24:02,891.7263333 So you can use these masks with either plate mount or a tuttle mount, which is another nice feature. 335 00:24:02,931.7263333 --> 00:24:04,111.7263333 You don't got to buy a new mask. 336 00:24:04,561.7263333 --> 00:24:04,811.7263333 Yeah. 337 00:24:06,36.7263333 --> 00:24:12,576.7263333 I've been really liking that, this is the full carbon mast, they also have, a fiberglass carbon mast. 338 00:24:12,626.7263333 --> 00:24:18,236.7253333 this set here is a carbon glass composite set up, and the retail is 14. 339 00:24:18,236.8253333 --> 00:24:21,436.7263333 99 for, the basic, set up, which is, with the carbon. 340 00:24:21,711.7263333 --> 00:24:22,671.7263333 fiberglass mask. 341 00:24:23,111.7263333 --> 00:24:26,711.7263333 It's kind of the same price as a lot of the aluminum setups. 342 00:24:27,921.7263333 --> 00:24:30,441.7263333 It's a good price point for the quality that you get. 343 00:24:31,671.7263333 --> 00:24:36,601.7263333 And then, it's fun to mention this too, inside the fuselage there's like a anode. 344 00:24:36,601.7263333 --> 00:24:36,781.7263333 Corrosion. 345 00:24:36,781.8263333 --> 00:24:37,561.6263333 Yeah. 346 00:24:37,561.7263333 --> 00:24:37,771.7263333 Yeah. 347 00:24:37,801.7263333 --> 00:24:38,351.8263333 Like a, anode. 348 00:24:38,401.8263333 --> 00:24:40,571.8263333 Like kind of how they have on a lot of boats and stuff. 349 00:24:40,571.8263333 --> 00:24:50,241.8263333 So basically when there's corrosion, well from saltwater there's always going to be corrosion, but basically this corrodes instead of your aluminum parts and so on. 350 00:24:50,441.8263333 --> 00:24:54,971.8263333 Not sure exactly the science behind it, but basically the corrosion all goes into this piece. 351 00:24:55,281.8263333 --> 00:25:03,681.8253333 So, and then if it, if it gets too corroded, you can swap it out and then kind of like when you rinse off your stuff too, you can rinse everything except for underneath the front wing. 352 00:25:03,701.8263333 --> 00:25:07,191.8273333 Cause it's bolted on there, but saltwater still sits there. 353 00:25:07,881.8253333 --> 00:25:11,411.8263333 So once it's stored for a long period of time with saltwater in there. 354 00:25:12,141.8263333 --> 00:25:18,521.8263333 It soaks up into that little piece and then keeps your fuse new, I guess, too, which is pretty cool. 355 00:25:18,521.8263333 --> 00:25:33,611.8263333 Yeah, it's basically electrons looking for a place to corrode and then so they just end up going there instead of going to, like a lot of aluminum fuselages corrode around the edge of this, and or like around the screw holes and stuff like that. 356 00:25:33,611.8263333 --> 00:25:39,156.8263333 So, by doing that, By having the anode, I think that's going to prevent a lot of the corrosion. 357 00:25:39,696.8263333 --> 00:25:44,556.8263333 I think AXIS just recently incorporated that in their aluminum fuselage too. 358 00:25:45,166.8263333 --> 00:25:46,36.8253333 So that's interesting. 359 00:25:46,496.8263333 --> 00:25:48,106.8263333 And then it has this little cutout. 360 00:25:49,46.8253333 --> 00:25:51,986.8253333 I guess neither one of us really know what the idea behind that is. 361 00:25:52,126.8253333 --> 00:25:52,376.8253333 Yeah. 362 00:25:52,376.8253333 --> 00:25:55,346.8253333 But probably weight savings, right? Like to make it a little bit lighter. 363 00:25:55,346.9253333 --> 00:25:56,916.8253333 The whole setup a little bit lighter. 364 00:25:57,26.8253333 --> 00:25:57,686.8253333 Thus drag. 365 00:25:59,376.8263333 --> 00:26:10,356.8263333 And then another thing that I found interesting is that the bolts that go into the mass, they have like a little shimmer on the washer, so there's like this little stainless washer around the screw. 366 00:26:10,896.8263333 --> 00:26:13,746.8263333 And I think it's just to have more, maybe more surface area. 367 00:26:14,76.8263333 --> 00:26:17,816.8253333 So really a flush finish, seems to work well. 368 00:26:17,816.8253333 --> 00:26:18,446.8253333 What do you, think. 369 00:26:18,951.8253333 --> 00:26:26,171.8253333 It avoids corrosion too, like when you have a bolt in for a while and you can't untighten the screw, it helps a lot with that. 370 00:26:26,701.8253333 --> 00:26:31,981.8253333 Also, the idea with like, titanium on aluminum doesn't really work too well. 371 00:26:32,31.8253333 --> 00:26:34,131.8253333 So having that metal washer in between helps a lot. 372 00:26:34,331.8253333 --> 00:26:39,521.8263333 Oh, I see, yeah, so it separates the titanium, from the, car aluminum. 373 00:26:39,551.8263333 --> 00:26:39,841.8263333 Yeah. 374 00:26:39,851.8263333 --> 00:26:41,631.8253333 With a stainless steel, washer. 375 00:26:41,841.8253333 --> 00:26:44,501.8273333 So yeah, this is really well thought out, good design. 376 00:26:45,931.8273333 --> 00:26:52,936.8273333 And then the tail mounts on the bottom of the fuselage, which I think has, less drag. 377 00:26:53,26.8273333 --> 00:26:53,806.8273333 Yeah, for sure. 378 00:26:54,46.8273333 --> 00:26:59,736.8273333 Little bit less, a little bit more likely to hit the reef if you, if you're touching down on the bottom and you can shim really good with that. 379 00:26:59,736.8273333 --> 00:27:01,296.8273333 But yeah, shimming is easy. 380 00:27:01,846.8273333 --> 00:27:02,26.8273333 yeah. 381 00:27:02,26.8273333 --> 00:27:08,846.8273333 In terms of shims, like what kind of like, it comes with these little washers, right? Mm-hmm That you can use for shimming, really thin washers. 382 00:27:08,846.8273333 --> 00:27:10,16.8273333 On the race foil I have. 383 00:27:10,721.8273333 --> 00:27:14,531.8273333 a lot of that so you can really personalize that for your weight and your style. 384 00:27:15,211.8273333 --> 00:27:21,371.8273333 So I have four washers in the back of my front wing of my race red devil and then two in the front of the tail. 385 00:27:22,201.8263333 --> 00:27:27,231.8268333 And so you put two, two washers underneath this screw? Maybe the back one. 386 00:27:27,231.8268333 --> 00:27:27,431.8263333 Yeah. 387 00:27:27,431.8273333 --> 00:27:28,211.8273333 Oh, this one. 388 00:27:28,871.8273333 --> 00:27:30,921.8273333 So you give it a little bit more angle in the back. 389 00:27:31,1.8273333 --> 00:27:31,261.8273333 Yeah. 390 00:27:31,696.8273333 --> 00:27:34,726.8273333 And then the front, you use it here, so it has a little bit less angle. 391 00:27:34,736.8273333 --> 00:27:38,746.8273333 Yeah, because I noticed when you first get it in top speed, you're always front foot pressure. 392 00:27:38,846.8273333 --> 00:27:40,296.8273333 Being able to, like, customize it. 393 00:27:40,806.8273333 --> 00:27:45,756.8263333 Oh, so you put it on the back straight, so actually that I put it in the front to give it more lift on the tail. 394 00:27:45,976.8273333 --> 00:27:50,566.8273333 And I put it Negative on the front wing because it's upside down on the race one. 395 00:27:50,806.8273333 --> 00:28:06,626.9273333 Yeah to give it less lift in the front So essentially I can push with equal pressure like top speeds and all that So maybe you could use that on maybe your pump foils your freestyle stuff to really customize that foot balance Yeah for sure. 396 00:28:07,16.9273333 --> 00:28:13,916.9273333 So you have a little bit less angle on the front wing, more angle in the back wing, and then that kind of helps your pumping too. 397 00:28:14,396.9273333 --> 00:28:14,696.9273333 Okay. 398 00:28:14,696.9273333 --> 00:28:16,166.9273333 Off the line just for racing though. 399 00:28:16,406.9273333 --> 00:28:17,116.9273333 Interesting. 400 00:28:17,506.9273333 --> 00:28:17,876.9273333 Yeah. 401 00:28:17,916.9273333 --> 00:28:25,56.9273333 And for freestyle and all that I just throw like a two degree or three degree shim just because I'm 190 and I kind of need that. 402 00:28:25,456.9273333 --> 00:28:34,357.0273333 What are the rules on pumping when you're racing? You can pump the whole race if you want to? Yeah, yeah, that's for windsurfing and winging you can pump all you want. 403 00:28:35,947.0273333 --> 00:28:43,557.0273333 so yeah, it's really kind of a physical aspect that in the racing that everyone's kind of seems to be pumping almost the whole time, yeah? Yeah, for sure. 404 00:28:43,557.0273333 --> 00:28:50,937.0273333 So, how much of a difference does that make or why is that important? It makes a huge difference, upwind, downwind, pretty much everything. 405 00:28:50,947.0273333 --> 00:29:05,847.0263333 you just get better speed, better angle, and it's really important, every single race to, Maximize your heart rate right to get that little yeah, I mean, it's kind of the same as true for the downwind foiling like, the fast guys like it. 406 00:29:05,847.0263333 --> 00:29:07,777.0253333 Oh, he's just like pumping the whole time. 407 00:29:07,777.0263333 --> 00:29:11,777.0253333 Almost like he never really stops pumping, right? Even when he's catching a bump. 408 00:29:11,777.0263333 --> 00:29:20,387.0263333 I mean, sometimes obviously you're right when you have a good bump, but then like just always trying to kind of Keep, keep going at max speed. 409 00:29:20,387.0263333 --> 00:29:31,447.0263333 So, and I've noticed, especially, yeah, going upwind, I mean, even like when you're just free riding or whatever, if you want to go upwind at a really steep angle, just, it really helps to pump and kind of get a steeper angle. 410 00:29:31,527.0253333 --> 00:29:33,417.0263333 Because you got to create that extra. 411 00:29:33,477.0263333 --> 00:29:46,917.0263333 Having those shimming, like, I don't know, it makes it even more like each pump does way more when you have more angle on the tail or I don't know, just messing around with that a lot helps your speed and angle and all that. 412 00:29:48,357.0263333 --> 00:29:51,87.0263333 That's really nice because not much foils can do that. 413 00:29:51,277.0263333 --> 00:29:57,437.0263333 Everyone sometimes complains like, Oh, the angle of this, I don't really like it too much, and they can't do anything about it. 414 00:29:58,147.0263333 --> 00:30:01,87.0263333 And I really like how this is really customizable for everything. 415 00:30:01,747.0263333 --> 00:30:02,47.0263333 Yeah. 416 00:30:02,967.0263333 --> 00:30:07,137.0253333 so this is the Razer Pro, Yeah, I saw these for surf foiling. 417 00:30:07,137.0253333 --> 00:30:12,197.0243333 This is what you use for surf foiling? Yeah, 675, so this is a really small one. 418 00:30:12,537.0253333 --> 00:30:14,637.0253333 I actually wanted to try this one for myself. 419 00:30:15,207.0253333 --> 00:30:21,77.1253333 the one I've been using is the Medusa Pro, which is, kind of similar in shape to the Baltz Muller model. 420 00:30:21,77.1253333 --> 00:30:27,842.1253333 This is like the new Baltz, Signature model 707 and it has kind of thin tips. 421 00:30:27,842.1253333 --> 00:30:34,602.1243333 So, in the middle, it's pretty wide, more like, it's really nice for everything for towing, winging. 422 00:30:36,517.1253333 --> 00:30:48,867.1253333 Yeah, so what I've noticed about this is kind of has a nice kind of has a glide almost a glide of a high aspect for looking at is real fast and low drag, All round use. 423 00:30:48,967.1253333 --> 00:30:55,297.1253333 it feels more like a mid aspect, you know, like, cause, and I guess it's kind of like a combination of mid aspect and high aspect. 424 00:30:55,927.1253333 --> 00:31:00,87.1258333 And then what I also noticed is that they're really, well built, right? Yeah. 425 00:31:00,147.1258333 --> 00:31:02,977.1248333 These are all made in Italy at the sob factory. 426 00:31:02,977.1258333 --> 00:31:06,377.1258333 They, so they're not made in China, like most, most foils. 427 00:31:06,557.1258333 --> 00:31:08,467.1258333 I like the most about them as the finish too. 428 00:31:08,487.1258333 --> 00:31:12,707.1248333 They have this new series where they do a professional finish and it's really nice. 429 00:31:14,652.1258333 --> 00:31:18,732.1258333 It's kind of a little bit of that sanded finish, which is supposed to be faster than the glossy finish actually. 430 00:31:18,732.1258333 --> 00:31:18,972.1258333 Right. 431 00:31:19,822.1258333 --> 00:31:24,72.1253333 but yeah, I found them really durable kind of, they're not super light. 432 00:31:24,72.1253333 --> 00:31:24,292.1248333 Yeah. 433 00:31:24,292.1258333 --> 00:31:31,172.1238333 But I mean, if they have a little bit of a weight to them, but that's, I think that's what makes them really, they're very durable for sure. 434 00:31:32,62.1238333 --> 00:31:51,377.1248333 And then they, they have like the little bit of this, curve and on the back here, which seems to make it, Give it a little bit extra lift for the size too, right? So, and then you said you use this one for surf foiling? But the bigger size, what size do you use, do you know? It's more of a high spec, so I use Yeah, talk a little bit about this foil. 435 00:31:51,467.1238333 --> 00:31:56,437.1248333 Yeah, I really like the Razor Pro, and it's really rider friendly for surf foiling too. 436 00:31:56,447.1248333 --> 00:31:58,417.1248333 Like, it breaches, it's really nice. 437 00:32:00,7.1248333 --> 00:32:03,987.1248333 I don't know, I think this size would be really good for towing too, just because of how small it is. 438 00:32:04,557.1248333 --> 00:32:05,517.1248333 Looks really good for that. 439 00:32:05,667.1248333 --> 00:32:10,347.1248333 Mm-hmm You could see a lot of like whatever di he drove for that. 440 00:32:11,812.1248333 --> 00:32:14,592.1248333 Mm-hmm maybe even Dun winning too. 441 00:32:14,692.1248333 --> 00:32:23,357.1248333 Mm-hmm But I think there, new Leviathan stuff is kind of a more high aspect and might be a little bit better for sup racing, surf waring and all that. 442 00:32:23,597.1248333 --> 00:32:23,957.1248333 Yeah. 443 00:32:23,957.1248333 --> 00:32:27,137.1248333 And that's the, this is the Levi end, but basically that's the huge size. 444 00:32:27,137.1248333 --> 00:32:27,347.1248333 Yeah. 445 00:32:27,347.1248333 --> 00:32:28,457.1248333 And smaller size. 446 00:32:28,457.1248333 --> 00:32:28,459.1248333 Smaller size. 447 00:32:28,937.1248333 --> 00:32:31,817.1248333 Better, more this shape and smaller sizes. 448 00:32:31,847.1248333 --> 00:32:32,147.1248333 Well, yeah. 449 00:32:32,387.1248333 --> 00:32:32,807.1248333 Okay. 450 00:32:33,382.1248333 --> 00:32:39,162.1248333 So, and then the red, the red, what is the one you have? The Red Devil, yeah. 451 00:32:39,162.1248333 --> 00:32:46,152.1238333 The Red Devil, what's the difference between these and the Red Devil? Like, how is the Red Devil different? The Red Devil is a lot thinner, I'd say. 452 00:32:46,402.1248333 --> 00:32:52,22.1248333 I actually just went, we did a huge training session on the wing for wing racing. 453 00:32:52,92.1248333 --> 00:32:55,462.1248333 And then we went to the Waves after and it towed really good, actually. 454 00:32:56,162.1248333 --> 00:32:58,352.1248333 it's really efficient, a really small fuse. 455 00:32:58,402.1238333 --> 00:33:17,632.1238333 And, Like a shorter fuse a lot less drag, I guess I'd say Hmm, you can't jump them though, because that's the thing you really want a fast foil So you really want small diameter on everything the fuse the connections and all that But what's good about fuselage on the Red Devil is different than this fuselage. 456 00:33:17,752.1248333 --> 00:33:23,682.1248333 Yeah, they have The front wing flipped so instead of the connection being here. 457 00:33:23,682.1248333 --> 00:33:24,582.1248333 It's on top. 458 00:33:24,712.1248333 --> 00:33:30,32.1248333 Okay, So it's, I don't know, it's super efficient, but yeah, you can't jump them. 459 00:33:30,652.1248333 --> 00:33:35,262.1248333 So that's kind of where this heavier stuff, the more durable stuff comes in for that, right? For sure. 460 00:33:35,652.1248333 --> 00:33:35,892.1248333 Yeah. 461 00:33:35,892.1248333 --> 00:33:40,2.1238333 So for the, like, same as with the wings, like, when you're racing. 462 00:33:40,637.1238333 --> 00:33:45,332.1238333 For regular riding, having the, the equipment that you use for racing is not really a good idea. 463 00:33:45,332.2238333 --> 00:33:45,772.0905 Yeah, yeah. 464 00:33:45,772.0905 --> 00:33:48,422.1238333 Because you just end up trashing your gear. 465 00:33:49,12.1228333 --> 00:33:53,112.1238333 Especially if you like to go out in waves and stuff like that, you want something that, or yeah, jumping. 466 00:33:53,177.2238333 --> 00:33:57,297.1238333 You don't want to have equipment that's super fragile for sure. 467 00:33:58,817.1238333 --> 00:34:00,187.1238333 they come with this cool bag. 468 00:34:00,857.1238333 --> 00:34:05,607.1238333 This is the bag for this really huge wing, but yeah, so the bag fits everything inside. 469 00:34:05,607.1238333 --> 00:34:06,577.1238333 Nice travel bag. 470 00:34:07,347.1238333 --> 00:34:10,397.1248333 I'm really stoked on, I don't know, all their quality, I guess. 471 00:34:10,407.1248333 --> 00:34:17,487.1248333 Like it comes with extra screws, all these different washers, tools, covers, and. 472 00:34:18,892.1248333 --> 00:34:22,602.1248333 extra parts too, if you lose something, there's extra screws in there and stuff like that. 473 00:34:22,902.1248333 --> 00:34:28,722.1238333 and then the quality, it's just like, yeah, the fact that they have their own factory and they make the stuff in Italy. 474 00:34:28,952.1238333 --> 00:34:31,412.1233333 it just seems like the quality control is really good too. 475 00:34:31,462.1243333 --> 00:34:33,32.1243333 and then they have stuff in stock. 476 00:34:33,32.1243333 --> 00:34:34,882.1243333 We can drop ship it anywhere. 477 00:34:34,882.1243333 --> 00:34:45,122.1243333 So if somebody wants to order, One of these foils we can, special order any kind of size parts, and have it drop ship directly to the customer as well, which is kind of a cool thing and get it within a few days. 478 00:34:46,92.1243333 --> 00:34:48,2.1243333 So, all right. 479 00:34:48,2.1243333 --> 00:34:57,342.1253333 any last words or anything you want to say to the foil community? definitely be posting a lot more stuff on these new wings where can people find you on social media? makani. 480 00:34:57,622.1253333 --> 00:35:03,232.1253333 andrews On Instagram and I share a lot of sessions on the waves and all that. 481 00:35:03,412.1253333 --> 00:35:07,404.1253333 Yeah, so, and that's where you share the most stuff is on Instagram, right? Yeah. 482 00:35:07,642.1253333 --> 00:35:08,212.1253333 Okay. 483 00:35:08,812.1253333 --> 00:35:09,652.1253333 So check out ney. 484 00:35:10,402.1253333 --> 00:35:10,882.1253333 Thanks. 485 00:35:10,882.1253333 --> 00:35:11,992.1253333 Thanks for coming to the show. 486 00:35:12,52.1253333 --> 00:35:12,412.1253333 Yeah, thanks. 487 00:35:12,412.1253333 --> 00:35:12,952.1253333 Having, right on. 488 00:35:13,162.1253333 --> 00:35:13,432.1253333 Yeah. 489 00:35:13,612.1253333 --> 00:35:13,912.1253333 Okay. 490 00:35:13,912.1253333 --> 00:35:14,872.1253333 Have a, have a good day. 491 00:35:14,872.1253333 --> 00:35:20,72.1253333 And Mike, go out for later today and, you, you said you were gonna go down wind foiling. 492 00:35:20,72.1253333 --> 00:35:24,832.1253333 Yeah, I'm gonna try that out down winter and I'm probably gonna go wing foiling with my, my buddies. 493 00:35:24,882.1253333 --> 00:35:28,852.1253333 So yeah, thanks for watching everyone Take care and see you next time.