Foildrive- new products released at AWSI 2024- Episode #39

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All right, so I'm here at the Foil Drive booth at the AWSI show with Paul Martin the CEO of Foil Drive, co founder.
So Paul, tell me you know, we, we were watching you guys before the trade show at the hatchery, getting some downwinders and stuff like that.
.0005And so actually let's start with that, like talk a little bit about, it looks kind of challenging to go into the wind. 4 00:00:23,895.0005 --> 00:00:36,365.0005 When it's really windy, right? So, like, what's the technique, you know, and, and how does it work with the foil and, like, how do you set it up to do that? Yeah, I mean, well, I was riding this particular board at the time, and or one of many, actually. 5 00:00:36,775.0005 --> 00:00:41,334.9995 But, yeah, you just sort of keep the nose as flat as you can, because obviously the wind is so strong. 6 00:00:42,44.9995 --> 00:00:44,4.9995 And keep the power on if you're on your belly. 7 00:00:44,755.0005 --> 00:00:58,424.9995 But it's actually easier to get on foil, going downwind, turn 180 degrees and then foil upwind just keeping the board off the top of the surface and sort of terrain hugging over the waves. 8 00:00:59,114.9995 --> 00:00:59,384.9995 Yeah. 9 00:00:59,385.0995 --> 00:01:02,970.0005 Go up as far as you can then Turn back into the swell and do another downwind run. 10 00:01:03,60.0005 --> 00:01:04,500.0005 We call them ups and downs. 11 00:01:04,950.0005 --> 00:01:08,850.0005 Yeah, and I guess that actually kind of works because there's that little flat section on the inside. 12 00:01:08,850.0005 --> 00:01:16,860.0005 It's a little bit less choppy Yeah, but there I could see how you guys had to really kind of go up and down with the with the Yeah. 13 00:01:17,450.0005 --> 00:01:20,860.0005 Once you get to the top, you really have to push it back down again to not pop out. 14 00:01:21,620.0005 --> 00:01:24,290.0005 We did a few shuttle runs as well, so that was good fun as well. 15 00:01:25,619.9995 --> 00:01:59,245.0005 And then I guess once you're up on foil, I guess it's important to kind of stay high enough, so try to avoid touching down or having the motor in the water, right? You can put the motor in and out of the water as much as you like, but the whole concept of Foil Drive is to use the motor, to give you the push and the thrust to get going at a high enough speed that you can pop up and get on foil and then really you want to shut the motor down the propellers fold back and then you can just free foil on just a pure mast and wing and that's actually the goal of foil drive is to actually turn off. 16 00:01:59,770.0005 --> 00:01:59,980.0005 Right. 17 00:01:59,980.0005 --> 00:02:00,740.0005 And then do nothing. 18 00:02:00,750.0005 --> 00:02:01,0.0005 Yeah. 19 00:02:01,40.0005 --> 00:02:02,990.0005 That's actually when it's achieved its main goal. 20 00:02:03,370.0005 --> 00:02:03,630.0005 Right. 21 00:02:03,640.0005 --> 00:02:09,249.9995 Which is get you into foiling and then enjoy that purist feeling of just shredding turns and having fun. 22 00:02:09,620.0005 --> 00:02:15,339.999 So, but then if you are coming off foil or you hit a fat section or you just get it wrong there's no consequence. 23 00:02:15,339.999 --> 00:02:18,649.9995 You just put the pod back into the water, hit the trigger. 24 00:02:20,379.9995 --> 00:02:23,869.9995 Straight back up, get back on foil and you know, the fun continues. 25 00:02:23,879.9995 --> 00:02:24,739.9995 So, right. 26 00:02:24,779.9995 --> 00:02:25,159.9995 Yeah. 27 00:02:25,519.9995 --> 00:02:36,430.0005 So I had an earlier version of it where, you know, the box has a little antenna inside and then sometimes if the, if you have a small board and the things underwater, it doesn't connect well, or, you know, just disconnects and stuff. 28 00:02:36,430.0005 --> 00:02:41,620.1005 So have you, have you made any improvements on that? Like so let's, yeah, let's talk a little bit about the equipment. 29 00:02:41,620.1005 --> 00:02:43,250.1005 You got a lot of the cool new stuff out here. 30 00:02:43,250.1005 --> 00:02:43,510.1005 Yeah. 31 00:02:43,970.1005 --> 00:02:46,30.1005 Like the, this apple tree board here has a. 32 00:02:46,380.1005 --> 00:02:54,40.1005 recess in the, in the bottom to fit basically make the whole full drive system more aerodynamic, I guess, or hydrodynamic. 33 00:02:54,80.1005 --> 00:03:04,540.1005 I mean the, the main unit obviously normally sits on top of, well, the board sits on top of the main unit, right? So this is a completely independent part. 34 00:03:05,0.1005 --> 00:03:13,780.0995 As you can see on that unifoil board over there, it's just sitting on top, right? But there is we're working with brands right now where they're making a trenched variant. 35 00:03:14,450.1005 --> 00:03:24,520.1005 Where you obviously have this nice trench in the board so you can flip it up and you can put it in and the actual unit sits flush to the surface of the board. 36 00:03:24,540.1005 --> 00:03:26,810.0995 So, you don't have to do that. 37 00:03:26,810.0995 --> 00:03:34,820.0995 It's just, you know, in the world of foiling, we're always looking at innovation and making things even better and better. 38 00:03:34,820.0995 --> 00:03:36,190.0995 But yeah, effectively. 39 00:03:36,200.0995 --> 00:03:36,750.0995 Yeah, makes sense. 40 00:03:36,765.2005 --> 00:03:40,625.1005 And the signal quality on Gen 2 is even higher again. 41 00:03:40,655.1005 --> 00:03:44,605.1005 So we spent a lot of time and money developing a really high gain antenna. 42 00:03:45,245.1005 --> 00:03:49,495.1 And I can motor most of these boards completely under the water, like a submarine. 43 00:03:49,595.099 --> 00:03:54,565.1 So where is the antenna located? The antenna is actually in inside the unit, in the main unit. 44 00:03:54,605.1 --> 00:03:54,815.0995 Yeah. 45 00:03:54,815.0995 --> 00:03:55,165.099 Okay. 46 00:03:55,465.1 --> 00:03:58,825.1 And it's basically penetrates the water, basically the signal. 47 00:03:58,855.1 --> 00:03:59,165.1 Okay. 48 00:03:59,225.1 --> 00:04:04,310.1 And it's tuned to, The actual aluminium housing, so it actually becomes an antenna. 49 00:04:04,570.1 --> 00:04:05,30.1 Okay. 50 00:04:05,130.1 --> 00:04:05,760.1 Effectively. 51 00:04:06,190.1 --> 00:04:15,230.1 And then we do have external antenna systems that if you really want super high antenna quality there's a passive patch antenna that the box sits on top. 52 00:04:15,390.1 --> 00:04:17,800.099 There's just a little cable that comes off with a little disc on the end. 53 00:04:18,390.1 --> 00:04:23,70.1 And you can mount that anywhere and you get increased, increased antenna quality as well, if you need it. 54 00:04:23,730.1 --> 00:04:23,890.1 Okay. 55 00:04:23,970.1 --> 00:04:24,810.1 Very few boards do. 56 00:04:25,650.1 --> 00:04:26,640.1 And then, okay. 57 00:04:26,840.1 --> 00:04:33,770.1 And then I guess one other innovation that you guys are working on is kind of integrating the, the, the cable, the power cable into the mast. 58 00:04:33,990.099 --> 00:04:34,240.099 Yeah. 59 00:04:34,500.099 --> 00:04:39,600.1 And then even like this access mast has an integrated motor mount in it. 60 00:04:39,610.1 --> 00:04:40,480.1 So that's pretty cool. 61 00:04:40,530.1 --> 00:04:42,340.1 So yeah, this has been released at the show. 62 00:04:42,570.1 --> 00:04:45,220.1 It's actually a full carbon mast. 63 00:04:45,870.101 --> 00:04:48,910.101 So this mast is actually laid up in a mold. 64 00:04:49,400.101 --> 00:04:53,950.101 And then the foil drive motor is then mounted and grafted to it. 65 00:04:54,490.101 --> 00:05:04,610.101 So what you end up with is just like world class stiff, high quality, high modulus mast, fully integrated seamlessly with the foil drive motor system. 66 00:05:05,180.101 --> 00:05:08,890.101 And then this entire mast can bolt to any gen two unit. 67 00:05:09,610.101 --> 00:05:10,590.101 And off you go and use it. 68 00:05:10,620.101 --> 00:05:31,280.101 So again, it's just more optimization of trying to find Better and better drag coefficients and smoother ride feels and that sort of stuff But we obviously have quite an extensive range of aluminium masts that are doing the same thing The cable goes inside the mast and out the top But the next step is doing full carbon layups as well. 69 00:05:31,390.101 --> 00:05:39,70.1 Lower, lower drag, but I guess the disadvantage is that then you can't use, you can't just take off the motor and use it as a regular foil, right? Like as a non motorized foil. 70 00:05:39,80.1 --> 00:05:40,0.101 For sure. 71 00:05:40,60.101 --> 00:05:43,220.1 I mean, but yeah, the reality is no one's going to be buying this. 72 00:05:43,265.101 --> 00:05:44,765.101 If they want to do regular foiling. 73 00:05:44,770.101 --> 00:05:45,65.101 Right, right. 74 00:05:45,65.101 --> 00:05:47,435.101 It's once you, it is like a dedicated foil. 75 00:05:47,440.101 --> 00:05:47,550.101 Foil. 76 00:05:47,555.101 --> 00:05:50,315.101 Well, once you get used to foil driving, it's, it's hard to give it up. 77 00:05:50,375.101 --> 00:05:52,765.101 You know, it's it's definitely a different discipline. 78 00:05:52,855.101 --> 00:05:53,185.101 Yeah. 79 00:05:53,245.101 --> 00:05:55,165.101 So the gear is specifically designed for that. 80 00:05:55,375.101 --> 00:05:55,645.101 Yeah. 81 00:05:55,645.101 --> 00:05:58,915.101 So let's have a look at these ma maybe different mass setups. 82 00:05:58,915.101 --> 00:06:00,470.101 So that you guys offering the. 83 00:06:01,535.101 --> 00:06:03,285.101 integrated wires for. 84 00:06:03,795.101 --> 00:06:09,165.101 So this is the this is where the wire runs outside of the mast and this is taped to the mast. 85 00:06:09,185.101 --> 00:06:23,635.101 But I guess to make it more, more hydrodynamic, you guys developed the wires to go inside the mast, right? Yeah, I mean the The standard way of doing it is you have the cable that's external, but it means you can mount it to anything. 86 00:06:24,75.101 --> 00:06:28,195.1 So it gives you ultimate flexibility, and you can move the cable and the motor up and down the mast. 87 00:06:28,905.1 --> 00:06:38,955.101 But at the 2024 AWSI we've released the new version 2 motor where the puck comes off the front, and the motor cable actually comes out. 88 00:06:39,510.101 --> 00:06:40,770.101 of the fascia of the motor. 89 00:06:41,610.101 --> 00:06:45,150.101 So you can just change independently the cable length now. 90 00:06:45,740.101 --> 00:06:54,450.101 So you could have the motor mounted here, or later in the afternoon you can pull this off and then you can mount the motor all the way at the base of the mask and go E4. 91 00:06:54,460.101 --> 00:06:55,800.001 Yeah, have it E4 then, yeah. 92 00:06:56,820.101 --> 00:07:04,10.101 There's those two options, but then the integrated mass system is for just that next level of hydrodynamic optimization. 93 00:07:04,140.101 --> 00:07:06,290.101 So let's have a look at those integrated mass. 94 00:07:08,410.101 --> 00:07:18,980.101 So effectively we're dealing with the same thing, but we're working with brands to take their masts, redesign the base plate system. 95 00:07:19,620.101 --> 00:07:25,520.101 And then they're sent to us in Australia and we physically manufacture our motor system into that mast. 96 00:07:25,840.101 --> 00:07:28,620.101 And then it becomes an integrated, powered by four wheel drive mast. 97 00:07:29,975.101 --> 00:07:41,465.101 So most of these have a cavity inside it anyway And then so you drive run the cable through it and have a little hole that where it comes out into they do but there's There's some modifications needed specific for what we want to do. 98 00:07:41,595.101 --> 00:07:53,460.101 Okay but effectively like if you look at this f1, it's It's a very different shape and profile to the north, but it's the same same end outcome. 99 00:07:54,70.101 --> 00:08:03,710.101 You end up with a base plate with the wiring mechanism inside and the joins and our OEM custom plug system that plugs into the foil drive. 100 00:08:04,380.101 --> 00:08:10,590.1005 But yeah, there's more and more brands getting on board with foil drivers as a collaborative thing. 101 00:08:10,610.1015 --> 00:08:19,570.1015 So you've obviously got North and No Limits, F1, UniFoil, Slingshot, Axis, Idris, No Limits, and there's a few others that aren't here, aka. 102 00:08:19,640.2015 --> 00:08:21,780.2015 I think I got all of them there, but there's more joining. 103 00:08:21,810.2015 --> 00:08:24,380.2015 And then I guess no limits or, you know, so it's Tedra. 104 00:08:24,380.2015 --> 00:08:27,230.2015 So you can also get the adapters for different, different foils. 105 00:08:27,230.2015 --> 00:08:28,210.2015 If you have one of those masks. 106 00:08:29,110.2015 --> 00:08:32,550.2015 And there's more and more brands making adapters for other people's masks as well. 107 00:08:32,820.2005 --> 00:08:34,100.2005 So there's a lot of choice. 108 00:08:34,890.2015 --> 00:08:35,660.2015 So that's pretty cool. 109 00:08:35,690.2015 --> 00:08:38,530.2015 So then, then, then that mass would be a dedicated mass. 110 00:08:38,530.2015 --> 00:08:40,260.2015 And you can't really change the height of the. 111 00:08:40,715.2015 --> 00:08:46,635.2015 Where you attach it, right? So me personally, I ride an 85, but I have the motor set at 20. 112 00:08:47,45.2015 --> 00:08:48,515.2015 And I pretty much do everything on that. 113 00:08:49,15.2015 --> 00:08:55,885.2015 And that's kind of what you found is the optimal distance is 20 centimeters? With an 85 centimeter mast, is great. 114 00:08:56,395.2015 --> 00:09:02,205.2015 Because it makes it really easy to hybrid foil back out through waves, as you saw at the hatchery. 115 00:09:02,445.2015 --> 00:09:03,985.2015 It's easier to keep the motor submerged. 116 00:09:04,25.2015 --> 00:09:04,335.2015 Yeah. 117 00:09:04,545.2015 --> 00:09:06,275.2015 Sometimes running it at 15. 118 00:09:06,590.2015 --> 00:09:09,930.2015 is, is better for certain surf conditions. 119 00:09:09,930.2015 --> 00:09:10,920.2015 Oh, that's a 15 there. 120 00:09:11,240.2015 --> 00:09:13,340.2015 Or downwinding, downwinding. 121 00:09:13,600.2015 --> 00:09:17,460.2015 But really, I mean, you just get used to riding five centimetres higher. 122 00:09:17,560.2015 --> 00:09:17,940.1015 Right, right. 123 00:09:17,940.2015 --> 00:09:19,750.1515 And look how much mast there is to use. 124 00:09:19,750.1515 --> 00:09:20,370.2015 Right, right, right. 125 00:09:20,560.2015 --> 00:09:20,950.2015 There's plenty. 126 00:09:21,30.2015 --> 00:09:23,240.2025 So and if the pod dips in and out, it doesn't really matter. 127 00:09:24,520.2025 --> 00:09:28,690.2025 It is quite a bit smoother and more hydrodynamic when there's no cable. 128 00:09:28,770.2025 --> 00:09:30,970.2025 So you can barely even tell if the pod's in the water or not. 129 00:09:32,110.2025 --> 00:09:32,400.2025 Okay. 130 00:09:32,430.2025 --> 00:09:33,270.2025 Which is hard to believe. 131 00:09:33,270.2025 --> 00:09:35,660.2025 I know, but yeah, I mean, I've seen it. 132 00:09:35,660.2025 --> 00:09:35,890.2025 Yeah. 133 00:09:35,900.2025 --> 00:09:41,100.2025 Like, I mean, especially the better riders seem to make it, do make it look like it's not no problem at all. 134 00:09:41,620.2025 --> 00:09:43,790.2015 And that would be the first to complain if it didn't feel good. 135 00:09:44,640.2025 --> 00:09:44,880.2025 Yeah. 136 00:09:45,460.2025 --> 00:09:49,570.2025 So let's talk a little bit about the base, the controller and the battery and the base. 137 00:09:49,710.2025 --> 00:09:59,940.2025 plate, like like, so how, how does that work and how is it set up? Effectively, you have the main unit where all the electronics and hardware is built into it. 138 00:10:00,530.2025 --> 00:10:03,260.1025 This is actually machined out of a billet block of aluminium. 139 00:10:04,50.2025 --> 00:10:04,520.2025 Two parts. 140 00:10:04,520.3025 --> 00:10:04,980.1025 CNC. 141 00:10:04,980.2025 --> 00:10:07,460.2025 CNC, everyone is CNC'd. 142 00:10:07,530.2025 --> 00:10:09,960.2025 It's not a cheap cast product. 143 00:10:10,70.2025 --> 00:10:11,770.2025 We actually make everything out of billet. 144 00:10:11,830.2025 --> 00:10:15,340.2025 Even the propellers are five axis milled out of aluminum. 145 00:10:15,490.2025 --> 00:10:17,130.2025 Oh, these are sharp blades, huh? Yeah. 146 00:10:17,500.2025 --> 00:10:18,720.2025 Everything in foiling is sharp. 147 00:10:18,760.2025 --> 00:10:19,240.2015 Yeah, yeah. 148 00:10:19,240.2025 --> 00:10:23,30.2025 Sharp mast, sharp wings, sharp tails, sharp fuselage. 149 00:10:23,30.2025 --> 00:10:25,850.2025 Like, I think we all understand that by now. 150 00:10:25,860.2025 --> 00:10:31,390.2025 And the, and the having three propellers makes it more efficient than two propellers? Three propellers gives you more torque. 151 00:10:32,320.2025 --> 00:10:33,240.2025 lower end push. 152 00:10:33,810.2025 --> 00:10:36,260.2025 Two propellers gives you slightly higher top end speed. 153 00:10:36,900.2025 --> 00:10:44,240.2025 Majority of people run the three blade because they want to run smaller boards, smaller wings, have more talk to get out of the water. 154 00:10:44,790.2025 --> 00:10:45,770.2015 But you've got an option. 155 00:10:45,770.2025 --> 00:10:48,90.2015 You just change this plastic part and you can run either or. 156 00:10:48,460.2025 --> 00:10:48,800.2025 Okay. 157 00:10:48,880.2025 --> 00:10:51,460.2025 And then the battery system is super easy to replace. 158 00:10:51,460.2025 --> 00:10:54,380.2025 You just two latches. 159 00:10:55,200.2025 --> 00:10:56,70.2025 Those can comes off. 160 00:10:57,85.2025 --> 00:11:00,405.2025 Slide a new battery in, nose cone back on. 161 00:11:03,145.2025 --> 00:11:03,395.2025 That's it. 162 00:11:04,355.2025 --> 00:11:10,845.2025 And then you have different battery sizes and you just have a longer front part? Yeah, so this is the biggest nose cone for the longest battery. 163 00:11:10,885.2015 --> 00:11:11,125.2015 Yeah. 164 00:11:12,490.2025 --> 00:11:16,400.2025 There's a nose cone that's about that short for the slightly smaller battery. 165 00:11:16,490.2025 --> 00:11:35,100.2025 Yeah, so we have the ability to really tune What weight category you want to go for what run time and power and all that sort of stuff And then basically the foil just mounts Through right through this, right? The, the foil screws mount through that into the board, right? Yes. 166 00:11:35,190.2025 --> 00:11:36,930.2025 So you just have longer screws. 167 00:11:37,240.2025 --> 00:11:43,190.2025 You can literally, if you've got an integrated mast, which comes with these extra holes in the base plate, they all come with this. 168 00:11:43,330.2015 --> 00:11:43,630.2015 Mm hmm. 169 00:11:44,50.2025 --> 00:11:48,680.2025 You can bolt the mast to the box and then you can pick the entire unit up. 170 00:11:49,650.2025 --> 00:11:54,50.2025 Put it on your board, four bolts in and you're ready to foil. 171 00:11:54,230.2025 --> 00:11:56,170.2025 There's no additional setup required. 172 00:11:56,720.2025 --> 00:12:03,160.1015 You can literally mount your gen two on a board and go foiling them the same amount of time takes you to put a normal mast on. 173 00:12:03,160.2015 --> 00:12:03,320.2015 Okay. 174 00:12:03,460.2015 --> 00:12:09,0.2025 So we've tried to keep everything as fiddly and hands as hassle free as possible. 175 00:12:10,100.2025 --> 00:12:13,590.2025 So, and then everything fits into one of these cases here. 176 00:12:13,860.2025 --> 00:12:14,170.2025 Yeah. 177 00:12:14,220.2025 --> 00:12:14,570.2025 Yeah. 178 00:12:14,580.2025 --> 00:12:16,610.2025 Most of these will be empty because everyone's taking them. 179 00:12:16,630.2015 --> 00:12:16,860.2015 Yeah. 180 00:12:17,305.2025 --> 00:12:17,815.3025 But Yep. 181 00:12:19,675.3025 --> 00:12:23,105.3025 It comes in a nice reusable case. 182 00:12:23,105.3025 --> 00:12:25,675.302 It's not plastic and foamy. 183 00:12:25,675.302 --> 00:12:27,405.3015 It's an actual reusable case. 184 00:12:28,415.3025 --> 00:12:31,435.303 And then Normally the unit, And the nose cone go here. 185 00:12:31,935.303 --> 00:12:32,935.303 So here's the unit here. 186 00:12:34,975.303 --> 00:12:36,245.303 Comes all ready to go. 187 00:12:36,955.303 --> 00:12:47,655.203 And then there's a long nose cone and a short nose cone comes with a series of tools, a battery charger, your pod system, your propeller hub, which is normally all put together. 188 00:12:47,655.303 --> 00:12:52,115.303 And this pod system is able to adapt to pretty much any kind of mast or? Any mast. 189 00:12:52,415.303 --> 00:12:52,585.303 Yeah. 190 00:12:52,755.303 --> 00:12:54,505.303 It will fit any mast. 191 00:12:54,985.303 --> 00:12:59,335.303 That's out there, and there's an instruction sheet how to put it together, but it's really quite simple. 192 00:13:00,180.303 --> 00:13:02,660.303 There's two inner sleeves, which are these things here. 193 00:13:04,750.303 --> 00:13:07,160.303 And they go together with the nose cone. 194 00:13:08,960.302 --> 00:13:09,890.303 Yeah, it goes around. 195 00:13:09,890.303 --> 00:13:15,110.303 And then there's a series of keys that slot into here that allow you to make adjustment. 196 00:13:15,290.302 --> 00:13:18,510.303 And then if you run out of adjustment, there's a longer nose cone. 197 00:13:19,35.303 --> 00:13:19,425.303 Okay. 198 00:13:19,475.303 --> 00:13:24,505.303 So, there's quite a lot of levels of adjustment to make it fully universal. 199 00:13:24,645.303 --> 00:13:24,925.303 Yeah. 200 00:13:24,985.303 --> 00:13:25,705.303 And it works really well. 201 00:13:25,905.303 --> 00:13:26,335.303 Nice. 202 00:13:26,425.303 --> 00:13:26,725.303 Yeah. 203 00:13:27,225.303 --> 00:13:38,360.304 What about airline travel with the lithium batteries? Are you able to, to check these in yet, or? So, at this event, We just released the travel batteries. 204 00:13:38,910.304 --> 00:13:40,620.304 They've been in and works for a little while. 205 00:13:40,640.304 --> 00:13:54,630.304 So the standard batteries you can't travel with, but the travel batteries are a battery system that unfortunately got stuck in the DHL postal system annoyingly, but they, it's, it looks like a normal battery, but it's made of. 206 00:13:55,265.304 --> 00:14:07,80.304 Three pieces in the case of the max the bigger unit that physically pull apart And then we also have a gen two slim which looks like this, but it's just Slimmer, two piece battery. 207 00:14:07,480.304 --> 00:14:11,0.304 So you pull them apart, You can travel with them on the airplane. 208 00:14:11,0.304 --> 00:14:12,90.304 It's legal size to travel. 209 00:14:12,200.304 --> 00:14:12,410.304 Okay. 210 00:14:12,510.304 --> 00:14:12,870.304 Nice. 211 00:14:12,910.304 --> 00:14:13,180.304 Nice. 212 00:14:13,180.304 --> 00:14:14,80.304 That's helpful. 213 00:14:14,370.304 --> 00:14:23,520.204 And then what about battery life? Like what, how long can you go on one, one battery? I mean, that's like super hard to have a definitive answer to. 214 00:14:23,540.304 --> 00:14:24,970.304 Cause it depends on how you use it. 215 00:14:25,0.304 --> 00:14:31,880.304 But general rule of thumb is you put a max power on a board and you've got a reasonable wing. 216 00:14:31,880.304 --> 00:14:34,200.304 You're not trying to ride some tiny little high speed wing. 217 00:14:34,750.304 --> 00:15:06,840.305 You can flat water foil E foil around for 45, 50 minutes, but I can then go and put a small surf wing on and go to my local surf break back home and I can get a two hour session because There's a lot of period of time which I'm not even using the motor, I'm riding a wave, pumping off, put the motor in, short little burst, go back out, link another one, so it's hard to say what the run time is, because it totally depends on how you use it. 218 00:15:07,0.303 --> 00:15:07,590.304 Right, right. 219 00:15:07,620.304 --> 00:15:20,442.7795 But we've got But let's say if you use it as an E foil Motor, like basically foiling around, like how, how much, how long can you go about typically about 45 minutes and you'll see them doing it all day yesterday. 220 00:15:20,442.7795 --> 00:15:23,0.2045 I got a lightweight staff member. 221 00:15:23,0.3045 --> 00:15:30,910.3045 She only weighs 60 something kilos and she literally foils around for like an hour and a half and comes in with plenty of battery because she's so light. 222 00:15:30,940.3045 --> 00:15:32,290.3045 So I'm heavy. 223 00:15:32,780.3045 --> 00:15:34,310.3045 So, I burn through it quicker. 224 00:15:34,600.3045 --> 00:15:39,780.3045 And your handheld remote, does it kind of give you an indication of how much you have left? Battery charge you have left? Yep. 225 00:15:39,780.4045 --> 00:15:40,940.2035 Yeah, it's a handheld remote. 226 00:15:40,940.3035 --> 00:15:41,160.3035 Yeah. 227 00:15:41,160.3045 --> 00:15:42,230.3045 Super slim. 228 00:15:42,720.3045 --> 00:15:43,430.3045 Very light. 229 00:15:44,430.3045 --> 00:15:48,320.3035 And you can actually paddle with this in your hand as well. 230 00:15:48,530.3045 --> 00:16:01,460.3035 Just, just can be useful sometimes, but it gives you battery readout and your motor power and your RPM and power consumption and temperature and plenty of things to look at. 231 00:16:02,630.3045 --> 00:16:11,290.2045 You don't really spend much time looking at it though because it's so intuitive to just, and there's a cruise control function where you can triple press it and it goes to a cruise control, which you can see here. 232 00:16:12,110.3045 --> 00:16:16,70.3045 So if you just want to chill on your board and just motor on out nice and chill. 233 00:16:16,540.3045 --> 00:16:16,970.3045 So yeah. 234 00:16:17,470.3045 --> 00:16:24,220.3045 So what about some technique tips for like, getting started for people that are trying it for the first time. 235 00:16:24,230.3045 --> 00:16:26,980.3035 Like what's the easiest way to get up on foil and so on. 236 00:16:27,480.3055 --> 00:16:30,100.2045 I think the biggest single thing I see with people. 237 00:16:30,350.3045 --> 00:16:41,970.3045 Constantly, it needs people to under, they need to understand is people get too far back on the board and they give the, they give throttle and then they get the board on a pitch angle. 238 00:16:42,350.3045 --> 00:16:56,660.3035 Now just plow through the water and then it's normally followed by the complaint of this thing doesn't have enough power Well, it does it's just if you're if you're running the wing on a high angle of attack Just pushing water the wings not working. 239 00:16:57,400.3045 --> 00:17:11,175.3045 So what you want to do is get a little bit further forward on the board Put the power on progressively and get it moving and just wait Don't try and climb to your knees straight away because that pitches the board back down again. 240 00:17:11,685.3045 --> 00:17:17,475.3045 Let the board actually start moving and getting, skipping along the top of the water and keep the board flat. 241 00:17:18,705.3045 --> 00:17:21,875.3045 If the board is flat, the wing is flat. 242 00:17:22,635.3035 --> 00:17:24,625.2045 The wing will not generate lift. 243 00:17:25,445.3045 --> 00:17:28,605.3045 If it's not flat and doesn't have enough forward speed. 244 00:17:28,915.3045 --> 00:17:29,265.3045 Right. 245 00:17:29,505.3045 --> 00:17:33,615.3045 If you don't have enough forward speed and it's not flat and you're doing this, It's a stall. 246 00:17:33,645.3045 --> 00:17:34,935.3035 Really, you're just in a stall. 247 00:17:34,995.3045 --> 00:17:35,215.3045 Yeah. 248 00:17:35,215.3045 --> 00:17:36,485.3045 So it's never going to happen. 249 00:17:36,635.3035 --> 00:17:36,905.3035 Right. 250 00:17:37,95.3035 --> 00:17:46,20.3045 So that's the biggest single tip is wait a little longer, build your speed, and then Keep the board flat, and you pretty much can't go wrong. 251 00:17:46,40.3045 --> 00:17:51,640.3045 And then basically when you're flat, then you just do like a little pop up, and keep it level to the water surface. 252 00:17:51,640.4045 --> 00:17:58,430.3045 Yeah, so you climb to your knees, keep the board flat again, don't let it come up, stand up, lean into it. 253 00:17:58,720.3045 --> 00:18:06,250.3045 And then when you're ready to come off the water, a lot of people initially, when they're learning, are trying to sort of like, reef the board out. 254 00:18:06,260.3045 --> 00:18:07,370.3045 You don't need to do that. 255 00:18:08,210.3035 --> 00:18:09,930.3045 If the board's got forward momentum. 256 00:18:10,935.3045 --> 00:18:18,5.3045 All you have to do to get out of the water and start foiling is just a very subtle pitch Or foot pressure. 257 00:18:18,425.3045 --> 00:18:24,585.3045 The board will change attitude, the wing will change attitude And it just literally flies up and out of the water. 258 00:18:24,705.3035 --> 00:18:25,115.3035 Right. 259 00:18:25,125.3035 --> 00:18:27,605.3045 So like do less Right. 260 00:18:27,655.3045 --> 00:18:30,355.3045 Is my common comment to new foilers. 261 00:18:30,355.4045 --> 00:18:38,730.3045 It's just like you're doing way too much Just relax, build your speed, a little subtle pitch change and you'll just come up out of the water and it'll be super smooth. 262 00:18:39,590.3045 --> 00:18:45,600.3045 Yeah, too many people try and like aggressively change the pitch and it's totally messed up. 263 00:18:45,640.3045 --> 00:18:54,680.3045 And then to transition from motor power to foil, just foil, non motor, you just kind of get up higher on the foil I guess. 264 00:18:54,680.3045 --> 00:18:55,920.3045 It's exactly the same process. 265 00:18:55,920.3045 --> 00:18:56,990.3045 Let your hand off the throttle. 266 00:18:57,80.3045 --> 00:18:59,450.3045 Just build your speed, deliberately pop it up. 267 00:18:59,680.3045 --> 00:19:03,380.3045 Dump the throttle and you'll just come up and glide out of the water. 268 00:19:03,380.3045 --> 00:19:08,290.3045 And it's, it's actually really easy once you get a few sessions and get your head around it. 269 00:19:08,790.3045 --> 00:19:09,660.3035 It's quite natural. 270 00:19:09,660.4035 --> 00:19:11,880.2035 Okay. 271 00:19:11,880.3035 --> 00:19:20,280.3045 And then in terms of pricing, like how much are the, what's the retail price on, on a complete system? Depends on where you are in the world a little bit. 272 00:19:20,280.4045 --> 00:19:22,810.2045 In the U S. 273 00:19:23,710.3045 --> 00:19:31,790.3045 So there's multiple systems, but the biggest battery, the most powerful unit, the max power is about 5, 000 U. 274 00:19:31,790.3045 --> 00:19:32,60.3045 S. 275 00:19:32,650.3035 --> 00:19:40,475.2045 You'll have to forgive me if it's not 100 percent correct because Travis is the global sales manager and he knows all the regional pricing, but it's roughly around that. 276 00:19:41,235.3045 --> 00:19:44,985.3045 dollar value for a retail system and it goes down from there. 277 00:19:44,985.3045 --> 00:19:47,845.3045 If you want a smaller battery or the smaller unit by a few hundred dollars. 278 00:19:48,305.3045 --> 00:19:59,615.3045 What, what would you recommend? Like, do you think that like, for the average user is the max system the best one to get the biggest battery or? I think it it's, it's proving to be the most popular by quite a margin. 279 00:20:00,45.3045 --> 00:20:05,285.3045 Slim unit really is for super high performance oilers that are like elite athletes. 280 00:20:05,835.3045 --> 00:20:08,355.3045 The max power is the number one seller by miles. 281 00:20:08,425.3045 --> 00:20:12,305.3045 It just gives you the most runtime, the longest range, the most power. 282 00:20:12,855.3045 --> 00:20:21,895.3035 But it's, this unit is by far the, the lightest, most powerful, most energy dense assist system in the world. 283 00:20:22,385.3035 --> 00:20:26,435.3045 So you kind of get all that power and runtime, but not, it's not a heavy unit. 284 00:20:26,435.3045 --> 00:20:30,105.3045 It's very, very lightweight and energy dense. 285 00:20:30,105.4045 --> 00:20:32,355.3045 So that would be my recommendation. 286 00:20:32,955.3045 --> 00:20:38,95.3045 Okay, anything else you want to add? Yeah, we've we'll be releasing some other little bits and pieces at the show. 287 00:20:38,155.3045 --> 00:20:41,345.3045 We've obviously shown you the V2 motor with the removable cable. 288 00:20:41,945.3045 --> 00:20:48,165.3055 We've also got the new hands free remote system or, so we showed you the conventional remote before. 289 00:20:48,645.3055 --> 00:20:55,745.3055 Yeah, but we now have the hands free remote system coming, hopefully late Q4. 290 00:20:56,295.3055 --> 00:20:58,315.3055 Where the unit actually sticks to the board. 291 00:20:59,170.3065 --> 00:21:01,60.3065 This is removable, comes out of the cradle. 292 00:21:02,380.3065 --> 00:21:05,330.3065 That's stuck to the surface of the board. 293 00:21:05,710.3065 --> 00:21:08,670.3065 Obviously this board's upside down, but you push that in there. 294 00:21:09,280.3065 --> 00:21:17,190.3065 And then you can press whatever power mode you want, but you wear this necklace and you're paddling. 295 00:21:18,485.3065 --> 00:21:36,625.2065 And then when you stand up to get from your belly to your feet to take off, the magnet system releases, and you can set a timer in to the millisecond of how long that shutdown period is from motor shut off to you standing up, because everyone has a different cadence of how quickly they can stop. 296 00:21:36,625.3065 --> 00:21:37,375.3065 Down to their feet. 297 00:21:37,465.3065 --> 00:21:37,555.3065 Mm-Hmm. 298 00:21:38,185.3065 --> 00:21:42,865.3065 And then when you are, when that's shut off, the motor turns off automatically and then you can free foil. 299 00:21:43,465.3065 --> 00:21:44,95.3065 And then the same. 300 00:21:44,95.3065 --> 00:21:46,975.3065 So that's great for down winding or, or catching a wave or whatever. 301 00:21:47,185.3065 --> 00:21:47,275.3065 Yeah. 302 00:21:47,275.3065 --> 00:21:54,955.3065 It's really for like performance prone foiling where people really want to preserve that natural, natural cadence and feeling of pad. 303 00:21:55,410.3065 --> 00:21:57,320.3065 And not having a remote in your hand. 304 00:21:57,320.4065 --> 00:21:59,440.3065 So you literally have nothing in your hands. 305 00:21:59,440.3065 --> 00:21:59,760.3065 Right, right. 306 00:21:59,830.3065 --> 00:22:02,100.3065 So I use it when I'm prone falling back in Australia. 307 00:22:02,500.3065 --> 00:22:04,310.3065 On little tiny small boards. 308 00:22:04,790.3065 --> 00:22:06,660.3065 Where I want to duck dive under waves. 309 00:22:06,700.3065 --> 00:22:07,780.3065 I want to be able to paddle. 310 00:22:07,940.3065 --> 00:22:11,120.3065 I want to be able to push up from the board without anything in the way. 311 00:22:11,220.3065 --> 00:22:11,540.3065 Yeah. 312 00:22:11,900.3055 --> 00:22:12,660.3065 It's brilliant. 313 00:22:13,460.3065 --> 00:22:18,50.3065 But then you can also attach other dependencies to the front of it. 314 00:22:18,860.3065 --> 00:22:20,420.3065 And then you can mount that on a wing ding. 315 00:22:21,370.3065 --> 00:22:24,40.3065 And you can hold your wing ding wherever you want. 316 00:22:24,570.3065 --> 00:22:27,740.3065 And you can just tap the button and have whatever throttle setting you program. 317 00:22:28,530.3055 --> 00:22:32,590.3065 So it's really ergonomic for wingers who are trying to use foil drive. 318 00:22:32,840.3065 --> 00:22:37,40.3075 They don't have to try and hold a remote and a wing, if that makes sense. 319 00:22:37,200.3065 --> 00:22:40,490.3065 Right, so you just attach that to your handle or something like that. 320 00:22:40,690.3065 --> 00:22:42,980.3065 Yeah, and it's got a little zip tie on it. 321 00:22:42,980.3065 --> 00:22:49,110.3065 And then we've also got But obviously we, you would need a longer cable than this, right? To go from your board to the wing. 322 00:22:49,270.3065 --> 00:22:49,560.3065 No, no. 323 00:22:49,560.3065 --> 00:22:51,0.2065 So this doesn't need to be on the board. 324 00:22:51,0.3065 --> 00:22:52,340.3065 So this can attach to your winging. 325 00:22:52,580.3055 --> 00:22:54,820.3065 So you can take that off, put straps through here. 326 00:22:54,890.3065 --> 00:22:55,340.3065 Okay. 327 00:22:55,710.3065 --> 00:22:58,600.3055 Strap it to the back of your winging somewhere where you don't need it. 328 00:22:58,650.3065 --> 00:22:59,70.3065 Right. 329 00:22:59,210.3065 --> 00:23:00,380.3065 And then you put the controller. 330 00:23:00,860.3065 --> 00:23:01,870.3065 Where your hands are. 331 00:23:02,10.3065 --> 00:23:02,150.3065 Yeah. 332 00:23:02,150.3065 --> 00:23:02,450.3065 Okay. 333 00:23:02,820.3065 --> 00:23:03,580.2065 I get it. 334 00:23:03,580.3065 --> 00:23:03,870.3065 Cool. 335 00:23:03,910.3065 --> 00:23:04,150.3065 Yeah. 336 00:23:04,480.3065 --> 00:23:07,790.3065 So, and yeah, other little knickknacks. 337 00:23:07,890.3065 --> 00:23:11,230.3055 We've got like a titanium alloy bolt range coming for the gen two. 338 00:23:11,480.3065 --> 00:23:15,180.3065 There's lots of people are leaving their units fully connected on the board. 339 00:23:15,180.3065 --> 00:23:16,50.3065 They never take it off. 340 00:23:16,910.3055 --> 00:23:18,770.3055 That's all I want to do is to spoil drive. 341 00:23:18,770.3065 --> 00:23:24,840.3055 So it's just a nice little touches to be able to have metals or connected for long periods of time. 342 00:23:24,930.3055 --> 00:23:25,220.3055 Yeah. 343 00:23:25,220.3055 --> 00:23:27,660.2065 I guess that's another issue with electronics and stuff. 344 00:23:27,660.3065 --> 00:23:28,350.3065 Salt water. 345 00:23:28,350.3065 --> 00:23:35,60.3065 Like how, you know, how do you prevent promo corrosion and like, what do you have to do to service it, to keep, to prevent it from getting corrosion? Yeah. 346 00:23:35,90.3065 --> 00:23:38,390.3065 Well, the entire unit is, as I said, billet, machined, alloy. 347 00:23:38,600.3065 --> 00:23:39,710.3065 That's been anodized. 348 00:23:40,10.3065 --> 00:23:40,280.3065 Mm-Hmm. 349 00:23:40,850.3065 --> 00:23:43,130.3065 So they don't, if you, as long as you just. 350 00:23:43,985.3065 --> 00:23:47,855.3065 If you're in salt water, just hose it down with fresh water after each use. 351 00:23:48,285.3065 --> 00:23:49,725.3065 And just get the salt off it. 352 00:23:49,785.3065 --> 00:23:50,975.3065 That's all you really need to do. 353 00:23:52,365.3065 --> 00:23:57,445.3055 So salt doesn't really get inside the motor, inside the drivers? Well, salt doesn't get inside the unit. 354 00:23:57,475.3055 --> 00:23:58,235.3055 It's watertight. 355 00:23:58,375.3065 --> 00:23:58,615.3065 Right. 356 00:23:58,645.3055 --> 00:24:01,55.3065 Even if it does, the unit's fully potted. 357 00:24:01,555.3065 --> 00:24:03,55.3065 And all the electronics are waterproof. 358 00:24:03,295.3065 --> 00:24:10,35.3065 So we've had people forget to put their nose cone on and literally go and use the motor, the whole system in the water. 359 00:24:10,85.3055 --> 00:24:11,165.3065 And they didn't know any different. 360 00:24:11,165.4065 --> 00:24:12,905.3065 It still ran perfectly fine. 361 00:24:13,225.3065 --> 00:24:16,565.3055 I wouldn't recommend it, but the whole unit is waterproof. 362 00:24:17,95.3065 --> 00:24:27,185.3075 But really you just want to like remove the rotor, which just magnetically held on, wash it with some fresh water, wash it with some fresh water. 363 00:24:27,785.3075 --> 00:24:29,525.3065 We sometimes recommend if you're really in. 364 00:24:29,615.3075 --> 00:24:38,675.3065 Salty environments, just a little bit of spray of some lanolin or some like, I don't know what you guys call it here in America, but we call it WD 40 in Australia. 365 00:24:38,815.3075 --> 00:24:39,95.3075 Same. 366 00:24:39,495.3075 --> 00:24:40,285.3075 Same, there you go. 367 00:24:40,515.3075 --> 00:24:45,515.3085 Just a little, and it just puts a coating on the metal part, because this is, this is steel under here. 368 00:24:45,695.3085 --> 00:24:46,35.3085 Okay. 369 00:24:46,385.3085 --> 00:24:48,515.3075 But other than that, that's about it. 370 00:24:48,755.3075 --> 00:24:51,435.3075 Just wash it with fresh water, wash it out, dry it. 371 00:24:51,785.3085 --> 00:24:52,845.3085 And you're pretty much good to go. 372 00:24:53,395.3085 --> 00:24:56,895.3085 They really are a hard wearing piece of kit. 373 00:24:57,485.3085 --> 00:25:03,385.158 Did I see you guys had some kind of propeller guard to, for safety? Or did you actually, yeah, there's a propeller guard. 374 00:25:03,385.258 --> 00:25:07,775.258 It's like a, looks like a shroud that bolts onto the back if you want to use it. 375 00:25:07,875.258 --> 00:25:14,375.258 Good if you've got So probably for lessons and stuff, that's a good idea to use? Lessons and just if any young kids are mucking around or trying to play on it. 376 00:25:14,375.258 --> 00:25:16,465.258 It's just another level of added safety. 377 00:25:16,465.258 --> 00:25:23,800.258 It's still It's not foolproof, and any, any system that's got propellers and whatnot, you still need to be vigilant. 378 00:25:24,620.258 --> 00:25:29,720.257 But yes, you can add an externally mounted propeller shroud for additional safety. 379 00:25:29,960.258 --> 00:25:39,770.258 Okay, and then when you, when you get a board like this made with a with a cutout is it designed for the max battery, or like how, how do you Set up the size of that, you know, the cutoff. 380 00:25:40,150.258 --> 00:25:42,420.258 This trench can fit any Gen 2 system. 381 00:25:42,960.258 --> 00:25:44,390.258 Whether it's slim or max. 382 00:25:44,890.258 --> 00:25:45,160.258 Yeah. 383 00:25:45,350.258 --> 00:25:46,330.257 It doesn't really matter. 384 00:25:46,580.258 --> 00:25:47,230.258 Let's show you. 385 00:25:47,280.258 --> 00:25:48,240.258 Let's maybe put one in here. 386 00:25:48,240.258 --> 00:25:49,210.258 Put a unit in there. 387 00:25:49,500.258 --> 00:25:49,900.257 Perfect one. 388 00:25:52,140.258 --> 00:25:53,990.258 So, yeah, so you set that in here. 389 00:25:54,290.258 --> 00:26:07,860.258 Just drops in and then you can still move the whole unit in the tracks, right? So this, this end is open to let the water, any water that comes over and then collapses in, just drain straight out. 390 00:26:08,480.258 --> 00:26:10,90.257 Just reduces the drag basically. 391 00:26:10,180.258 --> 00:26:10,430.258 Correct. 392 00:26:10,460.257 --> 00:26:19,192.758 So, I mean, I guess something else to mention is that if you do use it without a trench, it adds some height to your mass, basically the battery unit, right? Correct. 393 00:26:19,192.758 --> 00:26:21,505.158 About two inches, three inches. 394 00:26:21,655.258 --> 00:26:23,395.258 It's, well, 50 mil. 395 00:26:23,475.258 --> 00:26:27,495.258 I don't know what that is in inches, but it's not, it's not a huge amount. 396 00:26:27,535.258 --> 00:26:27,885.258 Right. 397 00:26:28,175.258 --> 00:26:29,895.258 But it just sits on top of the board. 398 00:26:30,315.258 --> 00:26:31,245.258 Realistically. 399 00:26:31,990.258 --> 00:26:34,720.258 With foil drive, it's so easy to get on foil. 400 00:26:35,310.258 --> 00:26:42,750.258 You're not really that worried about the board that much, because you don't spend much time on the surface of the water. 401 00:26:43,370.258 --> 00:26:46,670.258 90 percent of my session, I'm not even touching the water. 402 00:26:47,200.258 --> 00:26:47,810.259 I'm on foil. 403 00:26:48,270.258 --> 00:26:52,670.257 So the board choice still matters a little bit. 404 00:26:52,825.257 --> 00:27:06,795.257 But the board shape and all those considerations that people really get quite technical about is not so as important when you've got the gen 2 on there because it's going to do all the work anyway. 405 00:27:06,865.257 --> 00:27:07,195.257 Yeah. 406 00:27:07,245.256 --> 00:27:11,825.257 So, but typically what makes a good foil drive board is something that's reasonably flat. 407 00:27:12,425.257 --> 00:27:17,180.257 You don't want really, really short With lots and lots of rocker, because they tend to push water. 408 00:27:17,380.257 --> 00:27:17,830.257 Right. 409 00:27:17,830.357 --> 00:27:19,640.257 I'm sorry. 410 00:27:19,870.257 --> 00:27:20,810.257 It didn't last very long. 411 00:27:22,670.257 --> 00:27:29,370.257 So, yeah, flat boards with little rocker and a nice planning surface makes it really easy to get going. 412 00:27:29,370.357 --> 00:27:30,630.158 Yeah. 413 00:27:30,630.258 --> 00:27:30,850.258 Cool. 414 00:27:31,990.258 --> 00:27:32,150.258 Alright. 415 00:27:32,440.258 --> 00:27:32,790.258 Yeah. 416 00:27:33,40.258 --> 00:27:34,860.258 Hopefully that's useful for the listeners. 417 00:27:34,860.258 --> 00:27:35,850.258 Thanks so much, yeah. 418 00:27:35,850.258 --> 00:27:36,330.258 You're very welcome. 419 00:27:36,330.258 --> 00:27:36,600.258 Thanks, Paul. 420 00:27:36,650.258 --> 00:27:36,710.258 Yeah. 421 00:27:37,235.258 --> 00:27:37,685.258 Thanks for watching. 422 00:27:38,165.258 --> 00:27:38,605.258 I love her. 423 00:27:38,605.358 --> 00:27:44,800.158 See ya. 424 00:27:46,300.158 --> 00:27:53,470.158 All right, so I'm here at the Foil Drive booth at the AWSI show with Paul, the CEO of Foil Drive, co founder. 425 00:27:54,50.158 --> 00:28:00,960.1575 So Paul, tell me we, we were watching you guys before the trade show at the hatchery, getting some downwinders and stuff like that. 426 00:28:00,960.1575 --> 00:28:07,50.158 And so actually let's start with that, talk a little bit about, it looks challenging to go into the wind. 427 00:28:07,625.158 --> 00:28:17,935.158 When it's really windy, right? What's the technique, and how does it work with the foil and, like, how do you set it up to do that? Yeah, I was riding this particular board at the time, and or one of many, actually. 428 00:28:18,345.158 --> 00:28:22,665.157 But, yeah, you just keep the nose as flat as you can, because obviously the wind is so strong. 429 00:28:23,375.157 --> 00:28:25,335.157 And keep the power on if you're on your belly. 430 00:28:26,85.158 --> 00:28:39,415.158 But it's actually easier to get on foil, going downwind, turn 180 degrees and then foil upwind just keeping the board off the top of the surface and terrain hugging over the waves. 431 00:28:40,105.158 --> 00:28:40,375.158 Yeah. 432 00:28:40,375.258 --> 00:28:43,960.159 Go up as far as you can then Turn back into the swell and do another downwind run. 433 00:28:44,50.159 --> 00:28:45,490.159 We call them ups and downs. 434 00:28:45,940.159 --> 00:28:49,580.159 Yeah, and I guess that actually works because there's that little flat section on the inside. 435 00:28:49,580.159 --> 00:28:56,640.157 It's a little bit less choppy Yeah, but there I could see how you guys had to really go up and down with the Yeah. 436 00:28:57,230.157 --> 00:29:00,640.157 Once you get to the top, you really have to push it back down again to not pop out. 437 00:29:01,400.157 --> 00:29:04,70.157 We did a few shuttle runs as well, so that was good fun as well. 438 00:29:05,400.156 --> 00:29:38,795.157 And then I guess once you're up on foil, I guess it's important to stay high enough, so try to avoid touching down or having the motor in the water, right? You can put the motor in and out of the water as much as you like, but the whole concept of Foil Drive is to use the motor, to give you the push and the thrust to get going at a high enough speed that you can pop up and get on foil and then really you want to shut the motor down the propellers fold back and then you can just free foil on just a pure mast and wing and that's actually the goal of foil drive is to actually turn off. 439 00:29:39,270.157 --> 00:29:40,30.157 And then do nothing. 440 00:29:40,40.157 --> 00:29:40,290.157 Yeah. 441 00:29:40,330.157 --> 00:29:42,280.157 That's actually when it's achieved its main goal. 442 00:29:42,610.157 --> 00:29:48,220.156 Which is get you into foiling and then enjoy that purist feeling of just shredding turns and having fun. 443 00:29:48,590.157 --> 00:29:53,600.1565 But then if you are coming off foil or you hit a fat section or you just get it wrong there's no consequence. 444 00:29:53,600.1565 --> 00:29:56,910.157 You just put the pod back into the water, hit the trigger. 445 00:29:58,640.157 --> 00:30:01,420.257 Straight back up, get back on foil and the fun continues. 446 00:30:01,430.257 --> 00:30:01,810.257 Yeah. 447 00:30:02,120.257 --> 00:30:12,90.2595 I had an earlier version of it where, the box has a little antenna inside and then sometimes if the, if you have a small board and the things underwater, it doesn't connect well, or, just disconnects and stuff. 448 00:30:12,90.2595 --> 00:30:16,500.2585 So have you made any improvements on that? So let's, yeah, let's talk a little bit about the equipment. 449 00:30:16,500.2585 --> 00:30:18,130.2585 You got a lot of the cool new stuff out here. 450 00:30:18,130.2585 --> 00:30:18,390.2585 Yeah. 451 00:30:18,850.2585 --> 00:30:20,910.2585 Like the, this apple tree board here has a. 452 00:30:21,260.2585 --> 00:30:28,310.2585 recess in the bottom to fit basically make the whole full drive system more aerodynamic, or hydrodynamic. 453 00:30:28,350.2585 --> 00:30:37,880.2585 The main unit obviously normally sits on top of the board sits on top of the main unit, right? So this is a completely independent part. 454 00:30:38,340.2585 --> 00:30:47,120.2575 As you can see on that unifoil board over there, it's just sitting on top, right? But there is we're working with brands right now where they're making a trenched variant. 455 00:30:47,790.2585 --> 00:30:57,860.2585 Where you obviously have this nice trench in the board so you can flip it up and you can put it in and the actual unit sits flush to the surface of the board. 456 00:30:57,930.2585 --> 00:30:59,260.2585 You don't have to do that. 457 00:30:59,260.2585 --> 00:31:06,850.2585 It's just, in the world of foiling, we're always looking at innovation and making things even better and better. 458 00:31:06,850.2585 --> 00:31:08,220.2585 But yeah, effectively. 459 00:31:08,230.2585 --> 00:31:08,780.2585 Yeah, makes sense. 460 00:31:08,795.3595 --> 00:31:12,655.2595 And the signal quality on Gen 2 is even higher again. 461 00:31:12,685.2595 --> 00:31:16,635.2595 So we spent a lot of time and money developing a really high gain antenna. 462 00:31:17,275.2595 --> 00:31:21,525.259 And I can motor most of these boards completely under the water, like a submarine. 463 00:31:21,625.258 --> 00:31:26,595.259 So where is the antenna located? The antenna is actually in inside the unit, in the main unit. 464 00:31:26,635.259 --> 00:31:26,845.2585 Yeah. 465 00:31:26,845.2585 --> 00:31:27,195.258 Okay. 466 00:31:27,495.259 --> 00:31:30,855.259 And it's basically penetrates the water, basically the signal. 467 00:31:30,885.259 --> 00:31:31,195.259 Okay. 468 00:31:31,255.259 --> 00:31:36,340.259 And it's tuned to, The actual aluminium housing, so it actually becomes an antenna. 469 00:31:36,600.259 --> 00:31:37,60.259 Okay. 470 00:31:37,160.259 --> 00:31:37,790.259 Effectively. 471 00:31:38,220.259 --> 00:31:47,260.259 And then we do have external antenna systems that if you really want super high antenna quality there's a passive patch antenna that the box sits on top. 472 00:31:47,420.259 --> 00:31:49,830.258 There's just a little cable that comes off with a little disc on the end. 473 00:31:50,420.259 --> 00:31:54,420.259 And you can mount that anywhere and you get increased antenna quality as well, if you need it. 474 00:31:55,80.259 --> 00:31:55,240.259 Okay. 475 00:31:55,320.259 --> 00:31:56,160.259 Very few boards do. 476 00:31:57,0.259 --> 00:31:57,990.259 And then, okay. 477 00:31:58,190.259 --> 00:32:04,140.2595 And then I guess one other innovation that you guys are working on is integrating the cable, the power cable into the mast. 478 00:32:04,360.2585 --> 00:32:04,610.2585 Yeah. 479 00:32:04,870.2585 --> 00:32:09,970.2595 And then even like this access mast has an integrated motor mount in it. 480 00:32:09,980.2595 --> 00:32:10,850.2595 So that's pretty cool. 481 00:32:10,900.2595 --> 00:32:12,710.2595 So yeah, this has been released at the show. 482 00:32:12,940.2595 --> 00:32:15,590.2595 It's actually a full carbon mast. 483 00:32:16,240.2605 --> 00:32:19,280.2605 So this mast is actually laid up in a mold. 484 00:32:19,770.2605 --> 00:32:24,320.2605 And then the foil drive motor is then mounted and grafted to it. 485 00:32:24,860.2605 --> 00:32:34,980.2605 So what you end up with is just like world class stiff, high quality, high modulus mast, fully integrated seamlessly with the foil drive motor system. 486 00:32:35,550.2605 --> 00:32:39,260.2605 And then this entire mast can bolt to any gen two unit. 487 00:32:39,980.2605 --> 00:32:40,960.2605 And off you go and use it. 488 00:32:40,990.2605 --> 00:33:01,650.2605 So again, it's just more optimization of trying to find Better and better drag coefficients and smoother ride feels and that sort of stuff But we obviously have quite an extensive range of aluminium masts that are doing the same thing The cable goes inside the mast and out the top But the next step is doing full carbon layups as well. 489 00:33:01,760.2605 --> 00:33:09,260.2595 Lower, lower drag, but I guess the disadvantage is that then you can't use, you can't just take off the motor and use it as a regular foil, right? As a non motorized foil. 490 00:33:09,270.2595 --> 00:33:10,190.2605 For sure. 491 00:33:10,290.2605 --> 00:33:12,930.2605 But yeah, the reality is no one's going to be buying this. 492 00:33:12,975.2615 --> 00:33:14,475.2615 If they want to do regular foiling. 493 00:33:14,480.2615 --> 00:33:16,850.2615 It's once you, it is like a dedicated foil. 494 00:33:16,855.2615 --> 00:33:16,965.2615 Foil. 495 00:33:16,970.2615 --> 00:33:19,325.2615 Once you get used to foil driving it's hard to give it up. 496 00:33:19,375.2615 --> 00:33:21,405.2615 It's it's definitely a different discipline. 497 00:33:21,495.2615 --> 00:33:21,825.2615 Yeah. 498 00:33:21,885.2615 --> 00:33:23,805.2615 So the gear is specifically designed for that. 499 00:33:24,15.2615 --> 00:33:24,285.2615 Yeah. 500 00:33:24,285.2615 --> 00:33:27,555.2615 So let's have a look at these ma maybe different mass setups. 501 00:33:27,605.2615 --> 00:33:29,20.2615 That you guys offering the. 502 00:33:30,85.2615 --> 00:33:31,835.2615 integrated wires for. 503 00:33:32,345.2615 --> 00:33:37,715.2615 So this is the this is where the wire runs outside of the mast and this is taped to the mast. 504 00:33:37,735.2615 --> 00:33:50,295.2605 But I guess to make it more, more hydrodynamic, you guys developed the wires to go inside the mast, right? Yeah, The standard way of doing it is you have the cable that's external, but it means you can mount it to anything. 505 00:33:50,735.2605 --> 00:33:54,855.2595 So it gives you ultimate flexibility, and you can move the cable and the motor up and down the mast. 506 00:33:55,565.2595 --> 00:34:05,615.2605 But at the 2024 AWSI we've released the new version 2 motor where the puck comes off the front, and the motor cable actually comes out. 507 00:34:06,170.2605 --> 00:34:07,430.2605 of the fascia of the motor. 508 00:34:08,270.2605 --> 00:34:11,810.2605 So you can just change independently the cable length now. 509 00:34:12,400.2605 --> 00:34:21,110.2605 So you could have the motor mounted here, or later in the afternoon you can pull this off and then you can mount the motor all the way at the base of the mask and go E4. 510 00:34:21,120.2605 --> 00:34:22,460.1605 Yeah, have it E4 then, yeah. 511 00:34:23,480.2605 --> 00:34:30,670.2605 There's those two options, but then the integrated mass system is for just that next level of hydrodynamic optimization. 512 00:34:30,800.2605 --> 00:34:32,950.2605 So let's have a look at those integrated mass. 513 00:34:35,70.2605 --> 00:34:45,640.2605 So effectively we're dealing with the same thing, but we're working with brands to take their masts, redesign the base plate system. 514 00:34:46,280.2605 --> 00:34:52,180.2605 And then they're sent to us in Australia and we physically manufacture our motor system into that mast. 515 00:34:52,500.2605 --> 00:34:55,280.2605 And then it becomes an integrated, powered by four wheel drive mast. 516 00:34:56,635.2605 --> 00:35:07,495.2605 So most of these have a cavity inside it anyway And then so you drive run the cable through it and have a little hole that where it comes out into they do but There's some modifications needed specific for what we want to do. 517 00:35:07,625.2605 --> 00:35:18,15.3605 Okay but effectively if you look at this f1, It's a very different shape and profile to the north, but it's the same end outcome. 518 00:35:18,625.3605 --> 00:35:28,265.3605 You end up with a base plate with the wiring mechanism inside and the joins and our OEM custom plug system that plugs into the foil drive. 519 00:35:28,935.3605 --> 00:35:35,145.36 But yeah, there's more and more brands getting on board with foil drivers as a collaborative thing. 520 00:35:35,165.361 --> 00:35:44,125.361 So you've obviously got North and No Limits, F1, UniFoil, Slingshot, Axis, Idris, No Limits, and there's a few others that aren't here, aka. 521 00:35:44,195.461 --> 00:35:46,335.461 I think I got all of them there, but there's more joining. 522 00:35:46,365.461 --> 00:35:48,665.461 And then I guess no limits or, so it's Tedra. 523 00:35:48,665.461 --> 00:35:51,55.46 So you can also get the adapters for different foils. 524 00:35:51,55.46 --> 00:35:52,35.46 If you have one of those masks. 525 00:35:52,935.46 --> 00:35:56,375.46 And there's more and more brands making adapters for other people's masks as well. 526 00:35:56,645.459 --> 00:35:57,925.459 So there's a lot of choice. 527 00:35:58,715.46 --> 00:35:59,485.46 So that's pretty cool. 528 00:35:59,515.46 --> 00:36:01,655.46 So then that mass would be a dedicated mass. 529 00:36:01,655.46 --> 00:36:03,385.46 And you can't really change the height of the. 530 00:36:03,840.46 --> 00:36:09,760.46 Where you attach it, right? So me personally, I ride an 85, but I have the motor set at 20. 531 00:36:10,170.46 --> 00:36:11,640.46 And I pretty much do everything on that. 532 00:36:12,140.46 --> 00:36:18,770.46 And that's what you found is the optimal distance is 20 centimeters? With an 85 centimeter mast, is great. 533 00:36:19,280.46 --> 00:36:25,90.46 Because it makes it really easy to hybrid foil back out through waves, as you saw at the hatchery. 534 00:36:25,330.46 --> 00:36:26,870.46 It's easier to keep the motor submerged. 535 00:36:26,910.46 --> 00:36:27,220.46 Yeah. 536 00:36:27,430.46 --> 00:36:29,160.46 Sometimes running it at 15. 537 00:36:29,475.46 --> 00:36:32,85.46 Is better for certain surf conditions. 538 00:36:32,85.46 --> 00:36:33,75.46 Oh, that's a 15 there. 539 00:36:33,395.46 --> 00:36:34,115.46 Or downwinding. 540 00:36:34,375.46 --> 00:36:37,695.46 But really, you just get used to riding five centimetres higher. 541 00:36:37,745.46 --> 00:36:39,555.41 And look how much mast there is to use. 542 00:36:39,605.41 --> 00:36:39,995.41 There's plenty. 543 00:36:40,75.41 --> 00:36:42,785.411 So, and if the pod dips in and out, it doesn't really matter. 544 00:36:44,65.411 --> 00:36:48,235.411 It is quite a bit smoother and more hydrodynamic when there's no cable. 545 00:36:48,315.411 --> 00:36:50,515.411 So you can barely even tell if the pod's in the water or not. 546 00:36:51,655.411 --> 00:36:51,945.411 Okay. 547 00:36:51,975.411 --> 00:36:52,815.411 Which is hard to believe. 548 00:36:52,815.411 --> 00:36:54,375.411 I know, but yeah, I've seen it. 549 00:36:54,375.411 --> 00:36:54,605.411 Yeah. 550 00:36:54,665.411 --> 00:36:58,735.411 Especially the better riders seem to make it, do make it look like it's not no problem at all. 551 00:36:59,255.411 --> 00:37:01,425.41 And that would be the first to complain if it didn't feel good. 552 00:37:02,275.411 --> 00:37:02,515.411 Yeah. 553 00:37:03,95.411 --> 00:37:07,205.411 So let's talk a little bit about the base, the controller and the battery and the base. 554 00:37:07,345.411 --> 00:37:16,545.411 plate so how does that work and how is it set up? Effectively, you have the main unit where all the electronics and hardware is built into it. 555 00:37:17,135.411 --> 00:37:19,865.311 This is actually machined out of a billet block of aluminium. 556 00:37:20,655.411 --> 00:37:21,125.411 Two parts. 557 00:37:21,125.511 --> 00:37:21,585.311 CNC. 558 00:37:21,585.411 --> 00:37:24,65.411 CNC, everyone is CNC'd. 559 00:37:24,135.411 --> 00:37:26,565.411 It's not a cheap cast product. 560 00:37:26,675.411 --> 00:37:28,375.411 We actually make everything out of billet. 561 00:37:28,435.411 --> 00:37:31,945.411 Even the propellers are five axis milled out of aluminum. 562 00:37:32,95.411 --> 00:37:33,735.411 Oh, these are sharp blades, huh? Yeah. 563 00:37:34,105.411 --> 00:37:35,325.411 Everything in foiling is sharp. 564 00:37:35,365.411 --> 00:37:35,585.4105 Yeah. 565 00:37:35,585.4115 --> 00:37:39,375.4115 Sharp mast, sharp wings, sharp tails, sharp fuselage. 566 00:37:39,375.4115 --> 00:37:41,95.4115 I think we all understand that by now. 567 00:37:41,155.4115 --> 00:37:46,165.4115 And the having three propellers makes it more efficient than two propellers? Three propellers gives you more torque. 568 00:37:47,95.4115 --> 00:37:48,15.4115 lower end push. 569 00:37:48,585.4115 --> 00:37:51,35.4115 Two propellers gives you slightly higher top end speed. 570 00:37:51,675.4115 --> 00:37:59,15.4115 Majority of people run the three blade because they want to run smaller boards, smaller wings, have more talk to get out of the water. 571 00:37:59,565.4115 --> 00:38:00,545.4105 But you've got an option. 572 00:38:00,545.4115 --> 00:38:02,865.4105 You just change this plastic part and you can run either or. 573 00:38:03,235.4115 --> 00:38:03,575.4115 Okay. 574 00:38:03,655.4115 --> 00:38:06,235.4115 And then the battery system is super easy to replace. 575 00:38:06,235.4115 --> 00:38:09,155.4115 You just two latches. 576 00:38:09,975.4115 --> 00:38:10,845.4115 Those can comes off. 577 00:38:11,860.4115 --> 00:38:15,180.4115 Slide a new battery in, nose cone back on. 578 00:38:17,920.4115 --> 00:38:18,170.4115 That's it. 579 00:38:19,130.4115 --> 00:38:25,620.4115 And then you have different battery sizes and you just have a longer front part? Yeah, so this is the biggest nose cone for the longest battery. 580 00:38:25,660.4105 --> 00:38:25,900.4105 Yeah. 581 00:38:27,265.4115 --> 00:38:31,175.4115 There's a nose cone that's about that short for the slightly smaller battery. 582 00:38:31,265.4115 --> 00:38:49,475.4115 Yeah, so we have the ability to really tune What weight category you want to go for what run time and power and all that sort of stuff And then basically the foil just mounts Through right through this, right? The foil screws mount through that into the board, right? Yes. 583 00:38:49,565.4115 --> 00:38:51,305.4115 So you just have longer screws. 584 00:38:51,615.4115 --> 00:38:57,565.4115 You can literally, if you've got an integrated mast, which comes with these extra holes in the base plate, they all come with this. 585 00:38:57,705.4105 --> 00:39:02,335.4105 You can bolt the mast to the box and then you can pick the entire unit up. 586 00:39:03,305.4105 --> 00:39:07,705.4105 Put it on your board, four bolts in and you're ready to foil. 587 00:39:07,885.4105 --> 00:39:09,825.4105 There's no additional setup required. 588 00:39:10,375.4105 --> 00:39:16,815.3095 You can literally mount your gen two on a board and go foiling them the same amount of time takes you to put a normal mast on. 589 00:39:16,815.4095 --> 00:39:16,975.4095 Okay. 590 00:39:17,115.4095 --> 00:39:22,655.4105 So we've tried to keep everything as fiddly and hands as hassle free as possible. 591 00:39:24,215.4105 --> 00:39:26,415.4105 And then everything fits into one of these cases here. 592 00:39:26,685.4105 --> 00:39:26,995.4105 Yeah. 593 00:39:27,45.4105 --> 00:39:27,395.4105 Yeah. 594 00:39:27,405.4105 --> 00:39:29,435.4105 Most of these will be empty because everyone's taking them. 595 00:39:29,455.4095 --> 00:39:29,685.4095 Yeah. 596 00:39:30,130.4105 --> 00:39:30,640.5105 But Yep. 597 00:39:32,500.5105 --> 00:39:35,930.5105 It comes in a nice reusable case. 598 00:39:35,930.5105 --> 00:39:38,500.51 It's not plastic and foamy. 599 00:39:38,500.51 --> 00:39:40,230.5095 It's an actual reusable case. 600 00:39:41,240.5105 --> 00:39:44,260.511 And then Normally the unit, And the nose cone go here. 601 00:39:44,760.511 --> 00:39:45,760.511 So here's the unit here. 602 00:39:47,800.511 --> 00:39:49,70.511 Comes all ready to go. 603 00:39:49,780.511 --> 00:40:00,480.411 And then there's a long nose cone and a short nose cone comes with a series of tools, a battery charger, your pod system, your propeller hub, which is normally all put together. 604 00:40:00,480.511 --> 00:40:04,940.511 And this pod system is able to adapt to pretty much any kind of mast or? Any mast. 605 00:40:05,240.511 --> 00:40:05,410.511 Yeah. 606 00:40:05,580.511 --> 00:40:07,330.511 It will fit any mast. 607 00:40:07,810.511 --> 00:40:12,160.511 That's out there, and there's an instruction sheet how to put it together, but it's really quite simple. 608 00:40:13,5.511 --> 00:40:15,485.511 There's two inner sleeves, which are these things here. 609 00:40:17,575.511 --> 00:40:19,985.511 And they go together with the nose cone. 610 00:40:21,785.51 --> 00:40:22,715.511 Yeah, it goes around. 611 00:40:22,715.511 --> 00:40:27,935.511 And then there's a series of keys that slot into here that allow you to make adjustment. 612 00:40:28,115.51 --> 00:40:31,335.511 And then if you run out of adjustment, there's a longer nose cone. 613 00:40:31,860.511 --> 00:40:32,250.511 Okay. 614 00:40:32,350.511 --> 00:40:36,820.511 There's quite a lot of levels of adjustment to make it fully universal. 615 00:40:36,960.511 --> 00:40:37,240.511 Yeah. 616 00:40:37,300.511 --> 00:40:38,20.511 And it works really well. 617 00:40:38,220.511 --> 00:40:38,650.511 Nice. 618 00:40:38,740.511 --> 00:40:39,40.511 Yeah. 619 00:40:39,540.511 --> 00:40:50,45.51 What about airline travel with the lithium batteries? Are you able to check these in yet, or? At this event, We just released the travel batteries. 620 00:40:50,595.51 --> 00:40:52,305.51 They've been in and works for a little while. 621 00:40:52,325.51 --> 00:41:06,315.51 So the standard batteries you can't travel with, but the travel batteries are a battery system that unfortunately got stuck in the DHL postal system annoyingly, but they, it's, it looks like a normal battery, but it's made of. 622 00:41:06,950.51 --> 00:41:18,765.51 Three pieces in the case of the max the bigger unit that physically pull apart And then we also have a gen two slim which looks like this, but it's just Slimmer, two piece battery. 623 00:41:19,165.51 --> 00:41:22,685.51 So you pull them apart, You can travel with them on the airplane. 624 00:41:22,685.51 --> 00:41:23,775.51 It's legal size to travel. 625 00:41:23,885.51 --> 00:41:24,95.51 Okay. 626 00:41:24,195.51 --> 00:41:24,555.51 Nice. 627 00:41:24,595.51 --> 00:41:24,865.51 Nice. 628 00:41:24,865.51 --> 00:41:25,765.51 That's helpful. 629 00:41:26,55.51 --> 00:41:33,565.5095 And then what about battery life? What, how long can you go on one, one battery? That's like super hard to have a definitive answer to. 630 00:41:33,585.6095 --> 00:41:35,15.6095 Cause it depends on how you use it. 631 00:41:35,45.6095 --> 00:41:41,925.6095 But general rule of thumb is you put a max power on a board and you've got a reasonable wing. 632 00:41:41,925.6095 --> 00:41:44,245.6095 You're not trying to ride some tiny little high speed wing. 633 00:41:44,795.6095 --> 00:42:16,885.6105 You can flat water foil E foil around for 45, 50 minutes, but I can then go and put a small surf wing on and go to my local surf break back home and I can get a two hour session because There's a lot of period of time which I'm not even using the motor, I'm riding a wave, pumping off, put the motor in, short little burst, go back out, link another one, so it's hard to say what the run time is, because it totally depends on how you use it. 634 00:42:16,995.6085 --> 00:42:29,538.084 But we've got But let's say if you use it as an E foil Motor, like basically foiling around, like how much, how long can you go about typically about 45 minutes and you'll see them doing it all day yesterday. 635 00:42:29,538.084 --> 00:42:32,95.509 I got a lightweight staff member. 636 00:42:32,95.609 --> 00:42:39,855.6075 She only weighs 60 something kilos and she literally foils around for an hour and a half and comes in with plenty of battery because she's so light. 637 00:42:39,885.6075 --> 00:42:41,235.6075 So I'm heavy. 638 00:42:41,725.6075 --> 00:42:42,615.6075 I burn through it quicker. 639 00:42:42,905.6075 --> 00:42:47,865.6075 And your handheld remote, does it give you an indication of how much you have left? Battery charge you have left? Yep. 640 00:42:47,865.7075 --> 00:42:49,25.5065 Yeah, it's a handheld remote. 641 00:42:49,25.6065 --> 00:42:49,245.6065 Yeah. 642 00:42:49,245.6075 --> 00:42:50,315.6075 Super slim. 643 00:42:50,805.6075 --> 00:42:51,515.6075 Very light. 644 00:42:52,515.6075 --> 00:42:56,405.6065 And you can actually paddle with this in your hand as well. 645 00:42:56,615.6075 --> 00:43:08,965.6065 Just can be useful sometimes, but it gives you battery readout and your motor power and your RPM and power consumption and temperature and plenty of things to look at. 646 00:43:10,135.6075 --> 00:43:18,795.5075 You don't really spend much time looking at it though because it's so intuitive to just, and there's a cruise control function where you can triple press it and it goes to a cruise control, which you can see here. 647 00:43:19,615.6075 --> 00:43:23,575.6075 So if you just want to chill on your board and just have a steady motor on out, nice and chill. 648 00:43:24,45.6075 --> 00:43:24,475.6075 So yeah. 649 00:43:24,975.6075 --> 00:43:47,985.6065 So what about some technique tips for like getting started for people that are trying it for the first time? What's the easiest way to get up on foil and so on? I think the biggest single thing I see with Constantly, it needs people to under, they need to understand is people get too far back on the board and they give the, they give throttle and then they get the board on a pitch angle. 650 00:43:48,365.6065 --> 00:44:01,185.6055 Now just plow through the water and then it's normally followed by the complaint of this thing doesn't have enough power it does it's just if you're running the wing on a high angle of attack Just pushing water the wings not working. 651 00:44:01,925.6065 --> 00:44:15,700.6065 So what you want to do is get a little bit further forward on the board Put the power on progressively and get it moving and just wait Don't try and climb to your knees straight away because that pitches the board back down again. 652 00:44:16,210.6065 --> 00:44:22,0.6065 Let the board actually start moving and getting, skipping along the top of the water and keep the board flat. 653 00:44:23,230.6065 --> 00:44:26,400.6065 If the board is flat, the wing is flat. 654 00:44:27,160.6055 --> 00:44:29,150.5065 The wing will not generate lift. 655 00:44:29,970.6065 --> 00:44:33,130.6065 If it's not flat and doesn't have enough forward speed. 656 00:44:33,440.6065 --> 00:44:37,550.6065 If you don't have enough forward speed and it's not flat and you're doing this, It's a stall. 657 00:44:37,580.6065 --> 00:44:38,870.6055 Really, you're just in a stall. 658 00:44:38,930.6065 --> 00:44:39,150.6065 Yeah. 659 00:44:39,150.6065 --> 00:44:40,420.6065 So it's never going to happen. 660 00:44:40,570.6055 --> 00:44:49,495.6065 So that's the biggest single tip is wait a little longer, build your speed, and then Keep the board flat, and you pretty much can't go wrong. 661 00:44:49,515.6065 --> 00:44:54,965.6065 And then basically when you're flat, then you just do a little pop up, and keep it level to the water surface. 662 00:44:54,965.7065 --> 00:45:01,755.6065 Yeah, so you climb to your knees, keep the board flat again, don't let it come up, stand up, lean into it. 663 00:45:02,45.6065 --> 00:45:07,375.6065 And then when you're ready to come off the water, a lot of people initially, when they're learning, are trying to reef the board out. 664 00:45:07,385.6065 --> 00:45:08,495.6065 You don't need to do that. 665 00:45:09,335.6055 --> 00:45:11,55.6065 If the board's got forward momentum. 666 00:45:12,60.6065 --> 00:45:19,130.6065 All you have to do to get out of the water and start foiling is just a very subtle pitch Or foot pressure. 667 00:45:19,550.6065 --> 00:45:25,710.6065 The board will change attitude, the wing will change attitude And it just literally flies up and out of the water. 668 00:45:25,780.6055 --> 00:45:30,290.6055 So do less is my common comment to new foilers. 669 00:45:30,290.7055 --> 00:45:38,665.6055 It's just like you're doing way too much Just relax, build your speed, a little subtle pitch change and you'll just come up out of the water and it'll be super smooth. 670 00:45:39,525.6055 --> 00:45:45,535.6055 Yeah, too many people try and like aggressively change the pitch and it's totally messed up. 671 00:45:45,575.6055 --> 00:45:54,415.6055 And then to transition from motor power to foil, just foil, non motor, you just get up higher on the foil I guess. 672 00:45:54,415.6055 --> 00:45:55,655.6055 It's exactly the same process. 673 00:45:55,655.6055 --> 00:45:56,725.6055 Let your hand off the throttle. 674 00:45:56,815.6055 --> 00:45:59,185.6055 Just build your speed, deliberately pop it up. 675 00:45:59,415.6055 --> 00:46:03,115.6055 Dump the throttle and you'll just come up and glide out of the water. 676 00:46:03,115.6055 --> 00:46:07,555.6055 And it's actually really easy once you get a few sessions and get your head around it. 677 00:46:08,55.6055 --> 00:46:08,925.6045 It's quite natural. 678 00:46:08,925.7045 --> 00:46:11,145.5045 Okay. 679 00:46:11,145.6045 --> 00:46:19,335.6045 And then in terms of pricing, like how much are the, what's the retail price on a complete system? Depends on where you are in the world a little bit. 680 00:46:19,335.7045 --> 00:46:21,865.5045 In the U S. 681 00:46:22,765.6045 --> 00:46:30,845.6045 So there's multiple systems, but the biggest battery, the most powerful unit, the max power is about 5, 000 U. 682 00:46:30,845.6045 --> 00:46:31,115.6045 S. 683 00:46:31,705.6035 --> 00:46:39,530.5045 You'll have to forgive me if it's not 100 percent correct because Travis is the global sales manager and he knows all the regional pricing, but it's roughly around that. 684 00:46:40,290.6045 --> 00:46:44,40.6045 dollar value for a retail system and it goes down from there. 685 00:46:44,40.6045 --> 00:46:46,900.6045 If you want a smaller battery or the smaller unit by a few hundred dollars. 686 00:46:47,310.6045 --> 00:46:57,340.6035 What would you recommend? Do you think that for the average user is the max system the best one to get the biggest battery or? I think it's proving to be the most popular by quite a margin. 687 00:46:57,770.6035 --> 00:47:03,10.6035 Slim unit really is for super high performance oilers that are like elite athletes. 688 00:47:03,560.6035 --> 00:47:06,80.6035 The max power is the number one seller by miles. 689 00:47:06,150.6035 --> 00:47:10,30.6035 It just gives you the most runtime, the longest range, the most power. 690 00:47:10,580.6035 --> 00:47:19,50.6025 But it's, this unit is by far the lightest, most powerful, most energy dense assist system in the world. 691 00:47:19,540.6025 --> 00:47:23,240.604 So you get all that power and runtime, but not, it's not a heavy unit. 692 00:47:23,240.604 --> 00:47:25,420.604 It's very lightweight and energy dense. 693 00:47:25,420.704 --> 00:47:27,670.604 So that would be my recommendation. 694 00:47:28,270.604 --> 00:47:33,410.604 Okay, anything else you want to add? Yeah, we've we'll be releasing some other little bits and pieces at the show. 695 00:47:33,470.604 --> 00:47:36,660.604 We've obviously shown you the V2 motor with the removable cable. 696 00:47:37,260.604 --> 00:47:43,480.605 We've also got the new hands free remote system or, so we showed you the conventional remote before. 697 00:47:43,960.605 --> 00:47:51,60.605 Yeah, but we now have the hands free remote system coming, hopefully late Q4. 698 00:47:51,610.605 --> 00:47:53,630.605 Where the unit actually sticks to the board. 699 00:47:54,485.606 --> 00:47:56,375.606 This is removable, comes out of the cradle. 700 00:47:57,695.606 --> 00:48:00,645.606 That's stuck to the surface of the board. 701 00:48:01,25.606 --> 00:48:03,985.606 Obviously this board's upside down, but you push that in there. 702 00:48:04,595.606 --> 00:48:12,505.606 And then you can press whatever power mode you want, but you wear this necklace and you're paddling. 703 00:48:13,800.606 --> 00:48:31,940.506 And then when you stand up to get from your belly to your feet to take off, the magnet system releases, and you can set a timer in to the millisecond of how long that shutdown period is from motor shut off to you standing up, because everyone has a different cadence of how quickly they can stop. 704 00:48:31,940.606 --> 00:48:32,690.606 Down to their feet. 705 00:48:32,790.606 --> 00:48:37,470.606 And then when you are, when that's shut off, the motor turns off automatically and then you can free foil. 706 00:48:38,70.606 --> 00:48:38,700.606 And then the same. 707 00:48:38,700.606 --> 00:48:41,400.606 So that's great for down winding or catching a wave or whatever. 708 00:48:41,610.606 --> 00:48:41,700.606 Yeah. 709 00:48:41,700.606 --> 00:48:48,30.606 It's really for like performance prone foiling where people really want to preserve that natural cadence and feeling of pad. 710 00:48:48,485.606 --> 00:48:50,395.606 And not having a remote in your hand. 711 00:48:50,395.706 --> 00:48:52,515.606 So you literally have nothing in your hands. 712 00:48:52,535.606 --> 00:48:54,805.606 So I use it when I'm prone falling back in Australia. 713 00:48:55,205.606 --> 00:48:57,15.606 On little tiny small boards. 714 00:48:57,495.606 --> 00:48:59,365.606 Where I want to duck dive under waves. 715 00:48:59,405.606 --> 00:49:00,485.606 I want to be able to paddle. 716 00:49:00,645.606 --> 00:49:03,825.606 I want to be able to push up from the board without anything in the way. 717 00:49:03,925.606 --> 00:49:04,245.606 Yeah. 718 00:49:04,605.605 --> 00:49:05,365.606 It's brilliant. 719 00:49:06,165.606 --> 00:49:10,755.606 But then you can also attach other dependencies to the front of it. 720 00:49:11,565.606 --> 00:49:13,125.606 And then you can mount that on a wing ding. 721 00:49:14,75.606 --> 00:49:16,745.606 And you can hold your wing ding wherever you want. 722 00:49:17,275.606 --> 00:49:20,445.606 And you can just tap the button and have whatever throttle setting you program. 723 00:49:21,235.605 --> 00:49:25,295.606 So it's really ergonomic for wingers who are trying to use foil drive. 724 00:49:25,545.606 --> 00:49:29,745.607 They don't have to try and hold a remote and a wing, if that makes sense. 725 00:49:29,855.606 --> 00:49:32,805.606 So you just attach that to your handle or something like that. 726 00:49:33,5.606 --> 00:49:35,295.606 Yeah, and it's got a little zip tie on it. 727 00:49:35,295.606 --> 00:49:41,425.606 And then we've also got But obviously we, you would need a longer cable than this, right? To go from your board to the wing. 728 00:49:41,535.606 --> 00:49:41,695.606 No. 729 00:49:41,695.606 --> 00:49:43,135.506 So this doesn't need to be on the board. 730 00:49:43,135.606 --> 00:49:44,475.606 So this can attach to your winging. 731 00:49:44,715.605 --> 00:49:46,955.606 So you can take that off, put straps through here. 732 00:49:47,25.606 --> 00:49:47,475.606 Okay. 733 00:49:47,845.606 --> 00:49:50,735.605 Strap it to the back of your winging somewhere where you don't need it. 734 00:49:50,835.606 --> 00:49:52,5.606 And then you put the controller. 735 00:49:52,485.606 --> 00:49:53,495.606 Where your hands are. 736 00:49:53,635.606 --> 00:49:53,775.606 Yeah. 737 00:49:53,775.606 --> 00:49:54,75.606 Okay. 738 00:49:54,445.606 --> 00:49:55,205.506 I get it. 739 00:49:55,205.606 --> 00:49:55,495.606 Cool. 740 00:49:55,535.606 --> 00:49:55,775.606 Yeah. 741 00:49:56,55.606 --> 00:49:58,15.606 And yeah, other little knickknacks. 742 00:49:58,115.606 --> 00:50:01,455.605 We've got like a titanium alloy bolt range coming for the gen two. 743 00:50:01,705.606 --> 00:50:05,405.606 There's lots of people are leaving their units fully connected on the board. 744 00:50:05,405.606 --> 00:50:06,275.606 They never take it off. 745 00:50:07,135.605 --> 00:50:08,995.605 That's all I want to do is to spoil drive. 746 00:50:08,995.606 --> 00:50:15,65.605 So it's just a nice little touches to be able to have metals or connected for long periods of time. 747 00:50:15,155.605 --> 00:50:15,445.605 Yeah. 748 00:50:15,445.605 --> 00:50:17,885.506 I guess that's another issue with electronics and stuff. 749 00:50:17,885.606 --> 00:50:18,575.606 Salt water. 750 00:50:18,575.606 --> 00:50:24,635.606 Like how, how do you prevent promo corrosion and what do you have to do to service it, to keep, to prevent it from getting corrosion? Yeah. 751 00:50:24,665.606 --> 00:50:27,845.606 The entire unit is, as I said, billet, machined, alloy. 752 00:50:28,55.606 --> 00:50:29,165.606 That's been anodized. 753 00:50:29,465.606 --> 00:50:31,745.606 So they don't, if you, as long as you just. 754 00:50:32,600.606 --> 00:50:36,470.606 If you're in salt water, just hose it down with fresh water after each use. 755 00:50:36,900.606 --> 00:50:38,340.606 And just get the salt off it. 756 00:50:38,400.606 --> 00:50:39,590.606 That's all you really need to do. 757 00:50:40,980.606 --> 00:50:45,570.605 So salt doesn't really get inside the motor, inside the drivers? Salt doesn't get inside the unit. 758 00:50:45,600.605 --> 00:50:46,360.605 It's watertight. 759 00:50:46,450.606 --> 00:50:48,860.607 Even if it does, the unit's fully potted. 760 00:50:49,360.607 --> 00:50:50,860.607 And all the electronics are waterproof. 761 00:50:51,100.607 --> 00:50:57,840.607 So we've had people forget to put their nose cone on and literally go and use the motor, the whole system in the water. 762 00:50:57,890.606 --> 00:50:58,970.607 And they didn't know any different. 763 00:50:58,970.707 --> 00:51:00,710.607 It still ran perfectly fine. 764 00:51:01,30.607 --> 00:51:04,370.606 I wouldn't recommend it, but the whole unit is waterproof. 765 00:51:04,900.607 --> 00:51:14,770.608 But really you just want to remove the rotor, which just magnetically held on, wash it with some fresh water, wash it with some fresh water. 766 00:51:15,370.608 --> 00:51:17,110.607 We sometimes recommend if you're really in. 767 00:51:17,200.608 --> 00:51:25,870.607 Salty environments, just a little bit of spray of some lanolin or some I don't know what you guys call it here in America, but we call it WD 40 in Australia. 768 00:51:26,10.608 --> 00:51:26,290.608 Same. 769 00:51:26,690.608 --> 00:51:27,480.608 Same, there you go. 770 00:51:27,710.608 --> 00:51:32,340.609 Just a little, and it just puts a coating on the metal part, because this is steel under here. 771 00:51:32,520.609 --> 00:51:32,860.609 Okay. 772 00:51:33,210.609 --> 00:51:34,230.607 But other than that's about it. 773 00:51:34,470.607 --> 00:51:37,150.607 Just wash it with fresh water, wash it out, dry it. 774 00:51:37,500.608 --> 00:51:38,560.608 And you're pretty much good to go. 775 00:51:39,110.608 --> 00:51:42,610.608 They really are a hard wearing piece of kit. 776 00:51:43,200.608 --> 00:51:49,100.4575 Did I see you guys had some kind of propeller guard to, for safety? Or did you actually, yeah, there's a propeller guard. 777 00:51:49,100.5575 --> 00:51:53,490.5575 It's like a, looks like a shroud that bolts onto the back if you want to use it. 778 00:51:53,590.5575 --> 00:52:00,90.5575 Good if you've got So probably for lessons and stuff, that's a good idea to use? Lessons and just if any young kids are mucking around or trying to play on it. 779 00:52:00,90.5575 --> 00:52:02,180.5575 It's just another level of added safety. 780 00:52:02,180.5575 --> 00:52:08,985.5575 It's still It's not foolproof, and any system that's got propellers and whatnot, you still need to be vigilant. 781 00:52:09,805.5575 --> 00:52:14,905.5565 But yes, you can add an externally mounted propeller shroud for additional safety. 782 00:52:15,145.5575 --> 00:52:24,45.5565 Okay, and then when you get a board like this made with a with a cutout is it designed for the max battery, or like how do you Set up the size of that, the cutoff. 783 00:52:24,425.5565 --> 00:52:26,695.5565 This trench can fit any Gen 2 system. 784 00:52:27,235.5565 --> 00:52:28,665.5565 Whether it's slim or max. 785 00:52:29,165.5565 --> 00:52:29,435.5565 Yeah. 786 00:52:29,625.5565 --> 00:52:30,605.5555 It doesn't really matter. 787 00:52:30,855.5565 --> 00:52:31,505.5565 Let's show you. 788 00:52:31,555.5565 --> 00:52:32,515.5565 Let's maybe put one in here. 789 00:52:32,515.5565 --> 00:52:33,485.5565 Put a unit in there. 790 00:52:33,775.5565 --> 00:52:34,175.5555 Perfect one. 791 00:52:34,675.5555 --> 00:52:36,155.556 Yeah, so you set that in here. 792 00:52:36,455.556 --> 00:52:49,655.556 Just drops in and then you can still move the whole unit in the tracks, right? So this end is open to let the water, any water that comes over and then collapses in, just drain straight out. 793 00:52:50,275.556 --> 00:52:51,885.555 Just reduces the drag basically. 794 00:52:51,975.556 --> 00:52:52,225.556 Correct. 795 00:52:52,255.555 --> 00:53:00,458.0555 I guess something else to mention is that if you do use it without a trench, it adds some height to your mass, basically the battery unit, right? Correct. 796 00:53:00,458.0555 --> 00:53:02,770.4555 About two inches, three inches. 797 00:53:02,920.5555 --> 00:53:04,280.5555 It's 50 mil. 798 00:53:04,360.5555 --> 00:53:07,810.5555 I don't know what that is in inches, but it's not a huge amount. 799 00:53:07,900.5555 --> 00:53:09,620.5555 But it just sits on top of the board. 800 00:53:10,40.5555 --> 00:53:10,970.5555 Realistically. 801 00:53:11,715.5555 --> 00:53:14,445.5555 With foil drive, it's so easy to get on foil. 802 00:53:15,35.5555 --> 00:53:22,475.5555 You're not really that worried about the board that much, because you don't spend much time on the surface of the water. 803 00:53:23,95.5555 --> 00:53:26,395.5555 90 percent of my session, I'm not even touching the water. 804 00:53:26,925.5555 --> 00:53:27,535.5565 I'm on foil. 805 00:53:27,995.5555 --> 00:53:31,355.5555 The board choice still matters a little bit. 806 00:53:31,510.5555 --> 00:53:45,480.5555 But the board shape and all those considerations that people really get quite technical about is not so as important when you've got the gen 2 on there because it's going to do all the work anyway. 807 00:53:45,550.5555 --> 00:53:45,880.5555 Yeah. 808 00:53:45,980.5545 --> 00:53:49,770.5555 But typically what makes a good foil drive board is something that's reasonably flat. 809 00:53:50,370.5555 --> 00:53:54,615.5555 You don't want really short With lots and lots of rocker, because they tend to push water. 810 00:53:54,765.5555 --> 00:53:56,575.4555 I'm sorry. 811 00:53:56,805.4555 --> 00:53:57,745.4555 It didn't last very long. 812 00:53:58,265.4555 --> 00:54:03,605.4555 Flat boards with little rocker and a nice planning surface makes it really easy to get going. 813 00:54:03,605.5555 --> 00:54:04,865.3565 Yeah. 814 00:54:04,865.4565 --> 00:54:05,85.4565 Cool. 815 00:54:06,225.4565 --> 00:54:06,385.4565 Alright. 816 00:54:06,675.4565 --> 00:54:07,25.4565 Yeah. 817 00:54:07,275.4565 --> 00:54:09,95.4565 Hopefully that's useful for the listeners. 818 00:54:09,95.4565 --> 00:54:10,85.4565 Thanks so much, yeah. 819 00:54:10,85.4565 --> 00:54:10,565.4565 You're very welcome. 820 00:54:10,565.4565 --> 00:54:10,835.4565 Thanks, Paul. 821 00:54:10,885.4565 --> 00:54:10,945.4565 Yeah. 822 00:54:11,470.4565 --> 00:54:11,920.4565 Thanks for watching. 823 00:54:12,400.4565 --> 00:54:12,840.4565 I love her. 824 00:54:12,840.5565 --> 00:54:19,35.3565 See ya.

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