M2O foil edition 2024 race recap with the Oahu wing foil crew- Episode #35

In this video our wing foil crew consisting of Derek, Matt, Kevin and Robert talk about our experience crossing the Ka'iwi channel between Molokai and Oahu in the 2024 M2O Foil edition race.   Summary of our conversation: The Blue Planet Show hosts Derek, Kevin, and Matt discuss their experiences in the Molokai to Oahu (M2O) race. They also touch on their participation in the Maui to Molokai and Molokai Holokai races that took place prior. The conversation delves into various aspects of the M2O race, from the preparation, strategy, and execution, to personal anecdotes and lessons learned from the experience.   Pre-Race Preparation   • Arrival and Setup: Upon arriving in Maui, the team loaded their equipment onto a U-Haul and participated in the Maui to Molokai and Molokai Holokai races before gearing up for the M2O race on Sunday. • Starting Point Decision: The team made strategic decisions about where to start the race, choosing Iliopoint on the north side of Molokai over the previous year’s starting point at Kalua Koi. This decision was driven by the desire to find better wind conditions and a more challenging start.   The Race Begins   • Derek’s Perspective: Derek describes flying around and capturing footage of the race participants as they prepared for the start. He highlights the SUP racers waiting with their escort boats and the wingers readying themselves with safety equipment like VHF radios and EPIRBs. The race began with strong winds and favorable conditions. • Matt’s Take: Matt appreciated the choice of starting at Iliopoint, finding the wind conditions stronger than the previous year’s practice crossing. He was pleased with his performance in the beginning, feeling adequately powered up.   In-Race Challenges and Experiences   • Kevin’s Journey: Kevin shared a vivid account of his race, including his partnership with Pilot John. Initially, they stuck together, but as the race progressed, John insisted Kevin leave him behind. Kevin eventually pushed ahead, feeling both guilty and exhilarated as he completed the race without falling. He reflected on the difficulty of staying together as a team in such challenging conditions. • Team Dynamics: The team aspect added a unique challenge, as staying together meant one person had to wait every time the other fell. This increased the likelihood of both participants falling, making it a tricky balance to maintain. • Winning the Unofficial Team Competition: Matt and his partner Reza, along with Kevin and Pilot John, managed to win the unofficial team competition. Matt enjoyed sharing the experience with Reza, despite the difficulties in navigation and staying together.   Navigational Strategies and Weather Conditions   • Derek and Matt’s Routes: Derek and Matt both took different routes, with Matt opting to go further south in search of more wind. Derek noted that he had to zigzag due to the presence of escort boats, which affected his progress. • Light Winds and Tactical Decisions: The race saw varying wind conditions, with some parts of the course experiencing light winds. This forced the participants to make strategic decisions, like going south or tacking upwind to stay on foil. Both Derek and Matt emphasized the importance of these decisions, especially in the light-wind conditions in the middle of the race. • Boat Interference: Derek mentioned how escort boats, paddlers, and other traffic made it difficult to stick to the ideal line, as the boat wakes created additional challenges.   The Final Stretch and Finish Line   • Approaching Diamond Head: Matt recounted how, after a long stretch of not seeing anyone, he finally saw Derek near Diamond Head. Both were navigating through the final challenges of the race, with Derek having to deal with boat wakes and Matt focusing on maintaining his speed and avoiding falls. • Post-Race Reflections: The race finished with an awards ceremony, where winners like Nani in the women’s division were celebrated. The team reflected on their

Episode Transcript

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All right, so welcome back to the Blue Planet show here on the YouTube channel.
Got Derek, Kevin, and Matt with me.
Today we're going to talk about the Molokai to Oahu race.
if you missed it, you should also check out the video about the two days before the race, which was the Maui to Molokai race and the Molokai Kolokai race.

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But now we're going to check out the video from the M2O race.
When we arrived on Maui, we loaded everything on a U Haul, we did the Maui to Molokai race, then the Molokai to Oahu race, and then on the Sunday, the third day, was the Molokai to Oahu race.

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Yeah, some of the areas I just was wanting to get whoever was racing, you know, So, There's, everybody had questions about where to start it, so we actually didn't start at Kalua Koi where we did it the previous year. 8 00:01:05,102.398 --> 00:01:14,647.398 we went up to Iliopoint, which is the north part of the so it just went flying around and I got some footage of everybody else. 9 00:01:14,667.398 --> 00:01:19,467.398 The SUP guys waiting with their escorts folks and, all of the wingers. 10 00:01:19,977.398 --> 00:01:24,787.398 Was able to, fortunately was able, we didn't need any escort folks. 11 00:01:24,817.397 --> 00:01:31,437.398 We just had to have our safety equipment, which is a VHF radio and a EPIRB or a personal locator beacon. 12 00:01:32,262.398 --> 00:01:41,592.397 so we just flew around, got, got some pictures and videos of each, winger and all the sup guys on their escorts boats sitting around. 13 00:01:43,692.397 --> 00:01:44,592.398 Was a great day. 14 00:01:44,592.398 --> 00:01:49,502.398 I mean, the wind was strong in the beginning, nice bumps on outside of Iliopoit. 15 00:01:50,242.397 --> 00:01:58,622.399 And yeah, the start of what this year was up at Iliopoit instead of Kaloakoi, which there was some bumps and strong wind. 16 00:02:03,522.399 --> 00:02:07,777.399 Matt, what did you think of the start? Yeah, I thought the start was great. 17 00:02:07,867.399 --> 00:02:09,927.399 I liked where they put it up at the point. 18 00:02:09,977.399 --> 00:02:18,657.3975 I didn't do the official race last year, but we started further down on the practice crossing and, it was nice to be up at the point where there was a lot of wind. 19 00:02:18,657.3975 --> 00:02:23,237.3975 I think it was probably a little windier than we did the practice crossing last year at the start. 20 00:02:23,247.3975 --> 00:02:24,907.3975 And, yeah, it was a great start. 21 00:02:25,117.3975 --> 00:02:30,667.3975 it got a little lighter, which I'm sure we'll talk about, but for the very beginning of the race, I was plenty powered up. 22 00:02:33,297.3975 --> 00:02:38,787.3975 how did it go for you, Kevin? Oh, my race was Amazing. 23 00:02:38,927.3975 --> 00:02:40,647.3975 The beginning was really strong. 24 00:02:40,937.3975 --> 00:02:47,477.3975 So I was originally paired with pilot John. 25 00:02:47,477.3975 --> 00:02:48,877.3975 So we stick together. 26 00:02:49,907.3975 --> 00:02:56,67.3965 so no matter what we have, if we fall, we blow the whistle twice and we get back up. 27 00:02:56,612.3975 --> 00:03:04,502.3975 We blow the whistle once, so as we were going down, Pilot John said, just leave me, just leave me. 28 00:03:04,502.3975 --> 00:03:07,222.3975 I go, no, we're partners, we're supposed to stick together. 29 00:03:07,822.3975 --> 00:03:17,952.3985 halfway through, we were at, basically, we could see the island outside Port Lock, and then he keeps saying, Kev, just leave me, please. 30 00:03:18,62.3985 --> 00:03:19,972.3985 Just go, just have fun, just leave. 31 00:03:20,472.3985 --> 00:03:22,992.3985 So, at that point, he's like, I know where I am. 32 00:03:23,567.3985 --> 00:03:30,507.3985 You know, so at that point, we're in the middle and I said, Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave you. 33 00:03:30,857.3985 --> 00:03:37,317.3985 And, yeah, so I left him and I came in, I feel really bad. 34 00:03:38,287.3985 --> 00:03:42,357.3985 You know, it was fun. 35 00:03:42,397.3985 --> 00:03:47,57.3985 I mean, I have one and I stay up one for I didn't fall. 36 00:03:47,647.3985 --> 00:03:50,387.3985 was the middle and when we came back in. 37 00:03:50,877.3985 --> 00:03:52,917.3985 He said he felt 55 times. 38 00:03:54,57.3985 --> 00:03:55,877.3975 Oh, Yeah, I remember him saying that. 39 00:03:56,452.3985 --> 00:04:06,52.3985 But he got up each time he fell, he got back up and kept going until he finished across that line, you know, yes, he did. 40 00:04:06,412.3985 --> 00:04:10,662.3995 I also did it with a partner and, yeah, it was hard to stay together out there. 41 00:04:10,702.3995 --> 00:04:15,62.3995 I mean, it wasn't impossible, but that was definitely an added challenge, staying with a partner. 42 00:04:16,2.3995 --> 00:04:21,972.3995 it made it fun in kind of a different way, but yeah, every time one person falls, the other person has to wait. 43 00:04:22,372.3995 --> 00:04:28,412.3995 and then every time one person falls in, the other person is, you know, attacking and jiving in, big swell and stuff. 44 00:04:28,412.3995 --> 00:04:31,372.3995 So it just increases the chance of both people falling. 45 00:04:31,372.3995 --> 00:04:35,742.3995 So doing the team approach is definitely an interesting challenge. 46 00:04:37,452.3995 --> 00:04:37,902.3995 Yeah. 47 00:04:37,992.3995 --> 00:04:42,292.3995 And officially Matt, you guys were the winners of the teams. 48 00:04:45,82.4005 --> 00:04:48,172.4005 Officially, of the official unofficial teams. 49 00:04:48,192.4005 --> 00:04:50,462.4005 I don't know, were we? Yeah, I think maybe. 50 00:04:50,462.5005 --> 00:04:51,652.3005 Yeah. 51 00:04:51,732.4005 --> 00:04:52,52.4005 Yeah. 52 00:04:52,52.4005 --> 00:04:52,352.4005 Yeah. 53 00:04:52,672.4005 --> 00:04:52,822.4005 Yeah. 54 00:04:52,862.4005 --> 00:04:54,192.4005 I got you guys coming in. 55 00:04:54,662.4005 --> 00:05:00,202.4015 And then, Eli and Fuzzy and then Kevin and Pilot Johns. 56 00:05:00,252.4015 --> 00:05:05,982.4015 So you guys unofficial won the team competition this year. 57 00:05:06,242.4015 --> 00:05:06,892.4015 Congratulations. 58 00:05:06,992.4015 --> 00:05:07,612.4015 Nice. 59 00:05:07,722.4015 --> 00:05:08,152.4015 Yeah. 60 00:05:09,207.4015 --> 00:05:09,897.4015 it was really cool. 61 00:05:09,897.4015 --> 00:05:23,447.4005 I mean, I, you know, my buddy Reza from home that I did it with, we've been pulling together since we both learned and I really wanted him to do these crossings, like I was really stoked to share this and, but he's never winged here and he didn't know where the finish was. 62 00:05:23,457.4005 --> 00:05:32,97.4015 So it's like pretty much had to stay together the whole race so that he would know which side of the island to hit, you know, was, was pretty funny. 63 00:05:33,487.4015 --> 00:05:33,837.4015 Right. 64 00:05:33,837.4015 --> 00:05:34,107.4015 Yeah. 65 00:05:34,107.4015 --> 00:05:39,667.4015 That would be kind of, kind of weird if, He shows up and then there's welcome to wine. 66 00:05:39,667.4015 --> 00:05:43,807.4015 I sign right? Yeah, it wouldn't be good. 67 00:05:46,797.4015 --> 00:05:48,222.4015 So, yeah, this is, but it worked out. 68 00:05:48,222.4015 --> 00:05:49,362.4015 Yeah, it worked out really well. 69 00:05:49,367.4015 --> 00:05:49,617.4015 Yeah. 70 00:05:50,242.4015 --> 00:05:50,452.4015 Yeah. 71 00:05:50,452.4015 --> 00:05:52,432.4015 Awesome fitness already, I guess. 72 00:05:52,462.4015 --> 00:05:58,847.4015 Derek, you didn't film as much this time, but you still pull outta your camera a bunch during the race, so that's pretty cool. 73 00:05:59,527.4015 --> 00:06:06,437.4015 yeah, the wind got pretty light during the race, right? I ended up going really far south because I felt like there was a little bit more wind further south. 74 00:06:06,437.4015 --> 00:06:16,597.4015 I saw more, I thought I saw more white caps, but it might have just been a mirage, But I ended up going super far south, I think further than anyone else, when I looked at the tracker. 75 00:06:17,97.4015 --> 00:06:29,137.4005 But then when I looked at the diamond head, I saw Derek on the inside, like by the lighthouse, flying, and I was like, Oh, he's gonna get me! So, that was kind of cool, because I didn't see anyone for a long time. 76 00:06:29,137.4005 --> 00:06:42,707.4005 I was like, Whoa, where is everybody? so, I didn't remember who had what wings or whatever, but you had the great line because you was down south and you was away from all the escort boats and everybody else. 77 00:06:43,117.4005 --> 00:06:45,837.3995 So you were able to stay on your track and zig and zag. 78 00:06:46,137.3995 --> 00:06:55,367.4005 I came in close to China Walls and then I was coming along that coast, our normal downwind run, and usually we just fly right down the coast. 79 00:06:55,672.4005 --> 00:07:15,812.401 but this time when it was coming in, there was a bunch of, escort boats, friends that were, paddling and foiling and all the boats and traffic were going through and, there was a couple of areas where it got kind of light and if you was to come off foil, you just, you would have a hard time getting up. 80 00:07:15,832.401 --> 00:07:17,972.401 So you just got to turn and go back off. 81 00:07:18,32.401 --> 00:07:27,567.4015 And so you like offline, you know, yeah, it was, it was kind of, it was kind of frustrating, but, I guess last year they complained about our escort boats. 82 00:07:27,567.4015 --> 00:07:30,342.402 And I guess this year, it was, Payback, I guess. 83 00:07:33,32.402 --> 00:07:37,872.402 Yeah, I mean, most of the wingers didn't have escorts board, so that was kind of really nice. 84 00:07:37,872.402 --> 00:07:39,902.402 Actually, they didn't ask us. 85 00:07:40,182.401 --> 00:07:41,652.402 We didn't have to have escort boats. 86 00:07:42,327.402 --> 00:07:53,627.401 I mean, foiling and boats just don't, it doesn't go well together, you know, like even if the wave is like a half a mile in front of you, it's, you still feel it when you run through their wake, right? Through the boat wake. 87 00:07:53,657.402 --> 00:07:54,157.402 Yeah. 88 00:07:54,517.401 --> 00:08:05,547.402 I felt that on all the runs, but yeah, for like on the Maui to Molokai and on the Molokai to Oahu, I'd go through what was like a long gone boat wake. 89 00:08:05,607.402 --> 00:08:08,907.402 You could still feel the bubbles in the water, like way after. 90 00:08:08,907.502 --> 00:08:09,257.302 Yeah. 91 00:08:11,187.402 --> 00:08:14,17.402 I think Reza and I took the southern route too, which was interesting. 92 00:08:14,17.402 --> 00:08:34,507.402 We, I saw, kind of saw the same thing, like I thought there was more wind kind of down south and it was really interesting to watch the race, on the website afterwards and see all of the dots, like just a few of us go south and then a few go north and then they all like reconverged, kind of like three quarters of the way across, which was really interesting to see. 93 00:08:36,12.403 --> 00:08:49,722.402 yeah, Derek sent me a recorded screen recording of his track line and then I did one of mine too and compared it and did like a close up of the finish So I did some screen recording so I'm going to show that, right after this too. 94 00:08:49,722.403 --> 00:09:09,137.403 So definitely interesting to see kind of the different lines and how it looks like some people are way ahead but then they're just on a different track, right? So And then, yeah, like Cynthia Brown was, ahead of the other women, but then she, I guess she went down and couldn't get going again right away. 95 00:09:10,27.403 --> 00:09:17,947.403 so stuff like that, I mean, yeah, it was definitely light, light in the middle. 96 00:09:20,567.403 --> 00:09:20,787.4025 Yeah. 97 00:09:20,787.4025 --> 00:09:25,967.403 I think there was like a half hour where I was, I thought, oh man, like I can't go down. 98 00:09:26,207.403 --> 00:09:31,977.403 I, you know, won't be able to get back up, but, yeah, but then towards the end it got better. 99 00:09:33,417.403 --> 00:09:33,727.403 Sure. 100 00:09:33,727.503 --> 00:09:33,874.903 Sure. 101 00:09:33,874.903 --> 00:09:34,22.303 Yep. 102 00:09:35,82.403 --> 00:10:04,192.403 That definitely was one of those, like, if I fall here, or if I get off foil, I'm going to be pumping and hoping for the best, you know, for I don't know how long, so, yeah, there was a few times where it got light in the middle, and I was actually going upwind back to Molokai to stay up, and then another gust would come, or a bump, then I would ride that back to Oahu, but then, Yeah, I don't know if everybody else did the same thing. 103 00:10:04,252.403 --> 00:10:17,462.4025 there's a couple of times I had to go backwards to go forward, but yeah, that's 100 percent worth versus coming off a foil, you know, because if you come off a foil, you kind of sitting in, stuck in water, you know, in that deep sea. 104 00:10:17,462.5025 --> 00:10:25,582.5015 And there was times, have you, from Molokai, I mean, from Maui, he had that, I think the 325 Mike's foil, which is tiny. 105 00:10:26,62.5025 --> 00:10:27,402.5025 And he's kind of a bigger guy too. 106 00:10:27,402.5025 --> 00:10:43,952.5025 And I guess he came off well and took, he said it took him almost an hour waiting for Gus to get back on again, you know? So, yeah, it was, time was pretty slow, but yeah, here's the award ceremony. 107 00:10:43,962.5025 --> 00:10:50,2.4025 Afterwards, and winner did really well for, you know, for guys. 108 00:10:50,2.4025 --> 00:10:55,942.4025 And then Nani won the women's division by a hair, I guess. 109 00:10:56,12.4025 --> 00:10:58,582.402 Anna had to drive to get around the boat or something. 110 00:10:58,582.402 --> 00:11:00,332.4025 I heard pretty close. 111 00:11:01,817.4025 --> 00:11:03,297.4025 Yeah, just a few seconds, I think. 112 00:11:03,767.4025 --> 00:11:10,77.4025 Yeah, yeah, I got it on, I got it on video, I think, but I was, that was pretty cool. 113 00:11:10,77.4025 --> 00:11:12,647.4025 Oh, here's the tracking and stuff like that. 114 00:11:12,677.4025 --> 00:11:27,187.4025 So, midway of this, one of the escort boats that, they were kind of just going zigzagging, following their And they pushed me out of my, my line, you know, I was like, Oh man, I, you know, so I didn't want to go through their week. 115 00:11:27,197.4025 --> 00:11:33,37.4035 So I kind of was forced further up than what I wanted, but, yeah, it, it all worked out. 116 00:11:33,197.4035 --> 00:11:33,837.403 we finished. 117 00:11:35,337.404 --> 00:11:36,297.404 You were fast. 118 00:11:36,297.404 --> 00:11:37,847.403 You were a double all time, Derek. 119 00:11:40,337.404 --> 00:11:40,627.404 Yeah. 120 00:11:40,697.404 --> 00:11:41,757.403 I mean, Derek was. 121 00:11:43,612.404 --> 00:11:48,822.404 and for it looked actually like you were quite a bit ahead of me for a while. 122 00:11:48,852.404 --> 00:11:51,555.704 So like for me, like this is my track. 123 00:11:51,555.704 --> 00:11:53,642.404 So you can see here, I went way south. 124 00:11:53,642.404 --> 00:11:55,622.403 I just kept going south cause I saw more wind. 125 00:11:56,142.404 --> 00:11:59,722.404 And then from there, I pretty much took like a straight beeline to diamond head. 126 00:12:00,152.403 --> 00:12:02,22.404 And that was a super fun run for me. 127 00:12:02,22.404 --> 00:12:04,407.304 Cause I was just kind of surfing the waves, you know. 128 00:12:04,817.404 --> 00:12:07,537.404 Like surfing bumps, like we're moving really fast. 129 00:12:07,537.404 --> 00:12:13,827.404 So no way I could go faster than the bumps, but I was just riding the bumps and I had almost no pressure in my wing. 130 00:12:14,517.403 --> 00:12:16,347.404 And then this is getting close to Diamond Head. 131 00:12:16,987.403 --> 00:12:20,737.404 So yeah, Cynthia Brown, you can see her kind of sitting in the water. 132 00:12:21,847.403 --> 00:12:28,147.404 And then Derek, like you were kind of ahead of me, but like you said, then you had to zigzag out of the way of the boats and stuff. 133 00:12:28,927.404 --> 00:12:40,147.404 Somehow I was able to pass you there, All of those guys that came up on behind of us, their boats were, they were cheering them on and stuff like that, and you're like, ah, man. 134 00:12:40,147.404 --> 00:12:55,457.403 So I was forced to go south, which is not progressing towards the finish line, You should be faster than that, but you know, it happens, it happens, but that was fun though. 135 00:12:55,507.403 --> 00:12:57,327.403 it was a great, great run. 136 00:12:58,847.403 --> 00:13:00,37.403 Another great race. 137 00:13:00,77.403 --> 00:13:02,407.403 Thanks for, joining me and talking about it. 138 00:13:02,717.402 --> 00:13:04,197.403 Always cool to share. 139 00:13:04,667.402 --> 00:13:15,207.353 so maybe we can talk a little bit about what your takeaways are, what did you learn from the race? Maybe Kevin, because it was your first time doing the race, right? Oh, yeah. 140 00:13:15,247.353 --> 00:13:21,667.353 For me, I would have took, if I'm doing it again, I would bring, different foil and different wing. 141 00:13:22,37.353 --> 00:13:23,57.353 I just want to finish. 142 00:13:23,137.353 --> 00:13:27,897.3505 So I just bought my guaranteed hand wing, five meter. 143 00:13:27,897.3505 --> 00:13:31,857.351 And then I use my, gold foil 850. 144 00:13:32,307.351 --> 00:13:39,277.351 And then I'm 17 inch tail just to be sure to get across towards the end by Kaimana. 145 00:13:40,67.351 --> 00:13:49,997.351 And, if I would do different, I would actually would, I would take your route, go south, actually come more, more south, and then take that line coming back down. 146 00:13:52,437.351 --> 00:13:53,227.35 I would have done that. 147 00:13:53,537.351 --> 00:13:59,922.351 And, make sure I'm going to get bigger foil and Bigger hand, wing and smaller foil. 148 00:14:01,672.351 --> 00:14:05,512.351 And really be more serious about it than just to finish. 149 00:14:06,562.351 --> 00:14:08,462.351 So I'm going to compete next year. 150 00:14:09,452.35 --> 00:14:10,82.35 Yeah. 151 00:14:12,312.351 --> 00:14:14,882.351 What about you, Matt? Yeah, for sure. 152 00:14:15,362.351 --> 00:14:18,262.351 I did the M2O crossing on a five meter, which. 153 00:14:19,507.351 --> 00:14:24,277.351 Seem like a good idea at the start, but it was probably not the best idea overall. 154 00:14:24,277.351 --> 00:14:27,7.351 So yeah, same learning, like I'm still figuring it out. 155 00:14:27,7.351 --> 00:14:30,327.351 I mean, kind of used to different winds at home in Northern California. 156 00:14:30,337.451 --> 00:14:37,967.451 I think here, I just always need to go a size bigger on the wing and a size smaller on the foil, same conditions, I had to do it again. 157 00:14:37,967.451 --> 00:14:40,67.451 I do a six meter and a 600. 158 00:14:40,677.451 --> 00:14:42,157.451 Or five 40 oil. 159 00:14:42,167.451 --> 00:14:44,697.451 So maybe even bigger than a six meter. 160 00:14:44,727.451 --> 00:14:45,67.451 I don't know. 161 00:14:45,67.451 --> 00:14:47,147.451 like everybody kept telling me, Oh, it's just downwind. 162 00:14:47,147.451 --> 00:14:47,797.451 Use a big wing. 163 00:14:47,797.451 --> 00:14:49,537.451 And I'm like, yeah, but it's a lot to handle. 164 00:14:50,727.451 --> 00:14:52,947.451 but yeah, out in the middle there, I really needed it. 165 00:14:52,947.451 --> 00:14:55,707.451 So kind of same learning from the previous race. 166 00:14:55,717.45 --> 00:15:04,967.4495 I thought this, you know, reading the water kind of the Southern route seemed good, so, you know, I don't know if that ultimately is the right path for us or not, but it worked out. 167 00:15:04,967.4495 --> 00:15:06,357.45 And next year, yeah, I'd know. 168 00:15:06,802.45 --> 00:15:07,782.45 No teams next year. 169 00:15:07,782.45 --> 00:15:08,472.45 I'm going for it. 170 00:15:08,502.45 --> 00:15:13,222.45 So solo now that we're resonant with the finishes. 171 00:15:16,822.45 --> 00:15:22,952.449 I will say like the, one of the most exciting things about that whole race was doing it on escorted too. 172 00:15:23,512.45 --> 00:15:28,822.45 Like, I just thought that was such an incredible feeling, you know, to be out on the ocean. 173 00:15:29,462.45 --> 00:15:40,582.449 Not have a boat following you, really just being kind of on your own, like we just don't get those kind of chances in life as much to kind of be alone in a wild place like that. 174 00:15:40,582.45 --> 00:15:43,932.451 So, that was just an incredible experience as well. 175 00:15:45,462.451 --> 00:15:45,852.451 Yeah. 176 00:15:45,922.451 --> 00:15:46,192.451 Yeah. 177 00:15:47,62.45 --> 00:15:52,992.45 When we went, Maui to Molokai, like you can see, you can see the island, you can see Lanai. 178 00:15:53,212.45 --> 00:15:54,172.45 Everything looks close. 179 00:15:54,172.45 --> 00:16:02,302.449 So, we weren't being escorted on that race, but it felt comfortable, like, oh, you know, it's not too bad. 180 00:16:02,302.449 --> 00:16:06,632.45 There was, there was things around, but on this, the Molokai to Oahu race. 181 00:16:07,132.45 --> 00:16:16,452.449 You barely can see the islands, you know, and it had, there were some points where the clouds block and you couldn't even see all when you're going, well, I just, the wind goes that way. 182 00:16:16,452.45 --> 00:16:18,22.4495 So I'm just going to follow the wind. 183 00:16:18,22.4495 --> 00:16:23,772.45 And, you know, it was just like, yeah, without being a boat, you just kind of trust your instincts. 184 00:16:24,337.45 --> 00:16:27,697.45 And then every now and then you lift up your wing and you go, Hey, there it is. 185 00:16:27,737.45 --> 00:16:30,407.45 There's the island and you just make your way towards it. 186 00:16:30,417.45 --> 00:16:33,27.45 You know? You guys hit it on a head. 187 00:16:33,107.451 --> 00:16:33,207.451 Yeah. 188 00:16:33,207.451 --> 00:16:36,267.45 I'm on the, the wind was fake. 189 00:16:36,277.451 --> 00:16:38,587.351 There's a lot of false wind out there. 190 00:16:38,587.451 --> 00:16:43,147.451 You know, you, you would always see a little white cat here or further down or, or up north. 191 00:16:43,987.451 --> 00:16:45,477.451 And I always chase chase it. 192 00:16:45,477.451 --> 00:16:48,867.451 I was like, Oh, there's some wind and you come by and you make something. 193 00:16:49,87.451 --> 00:16:59,327.4505 Is there grass on my foil or something? Because I can feel cool, but I'm not, you know, I'm not accelerating, but I think it was just that that false wind. 194 00:16:59,377.4505 --> 00:17:06,7.4515 There was wind blowing over the surface of the water, but it wasn't blowing up high where we had our, you know, Our hand wings. 195 00:17:06,327.4515 --> 00:17:07,467.4515 Yeah, true. 196 00:17:07,647.4515 --> 00:17:08,67.4515 Definitely. 197 00:17:11,397.4515 --> 00:17:17,47.4515 Yeah, there was definitely moments where I was like, please don't come up for just keep going, keep going. 198 00:17:18,357.4515 --> 00:17:18,657.4515 Right. 199 00:17:19,47.4515 --> 00:17:30,127.4515 Like when there's these huge bumps to like when you go on the back of a bump like coming off and you don't have enough speed and then so you get on the next one and oh man, it's like sometimes it was pretty challenging. 200 00:17:30,307.4515 --> 00:17:32,847.4515 I think kind of in the trough, there's no wind and then. 201 00:17:33,682.4515 --> 00:17:40,312.4515 And there's no wave, and yeah, there's no pull in your wing, and you're trying to stay on, it was pretty tricky. 202 00:17:41,462.4515 --> 00:17:44,182.4515 And conflicting wave trains, too. 203 00:17:44,222.4515 --> 00:17:47,92.4515 I'm sure you guys experienced that, where you're like, Oh, I'm on this bump. 204 00:17:47,152.4515 --> 00:17:48,762.4515 Oh, it's going towards another bump. 205 00:17:48,872.4515 --> 00:17:54,422.4515 Like, what should I do when they meet, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 206 00:17:55,612.4515 --> 00:18:02,752.4515 And also the, being, seeing the island, like, it was comfort zone to see actually Oahu. 207 00:18:02,752.4515 --> 00:18:02,812.4515 Yeah. 208 00:18:03,102.4515 --> 00:18:10,952.4515 But when I saw it, it actually took a long time to actually, yeah, it's like, oh, it's there. 209 00:18:10,962.4515 --> 00:18:13,982.4515 It's like you feel like you're moving so slow. 210 00:18:14,592.4515 --> 00:18:18,132.4515 Like, I know I going fast but it just felt so slow. 211 00:18:18,957.4515 --> 00:18:19,707.4515 Getting there. 212 00:18:20,237.4515 --> 00:18:24,247.4515 And, once I get to outside for a lot, I was like, okay, I'm in the home zone. 213 00:18:24,277.4515 --> 00:18:28,137.4515 I know just don't fall, you know, just make it. 214 00:18:28,177.4515 --> 00:18:30,217.4515 And, I didn't have water with me. 215 00:18:30,957.4515 --> 00:18:32,697.4505 I didn't have a backpack with water. 216 00:18:32,697.4505 --> 00:18:34,537.4515 I had water in a bottle. 217 00:18:34,837.4515 --> 00:18:41,107.4515 So basically I won't able to drink it until I crossed the finish line. 218 00:18:41,507.4515 --> 00:18:42,567.4515 Then I opened a bottle. 219 00:18:42,567.4515 --> 00:18:44,437.4515 I just drinking that water. 220 00:18:46,297.4515 --> 00:18:57,177.4515 And, yeah, actually, I fell off at the orange buoy and, then somebody yelling, Hey, you're not, you're not cross the finish line yet. 221 00:18:57,437.4515 --> 00:19:05,587.4515 So I'm like, what? So I put my head down and I start kicking and paddling until I put my feet down until they honk the horn at me. 222 00:19:05,607.4515 --> 00:19:07,537.4515 And they go like on the megaphone. 223 00:19:07,537.4515 --> 00:19:07,747.4515 Yeah. 224 00:19:07,747.4515 --> 00:19:11,597.4515 You, you pass the line, you know? Oh, thanks. 225 00:19:17,182.4515 --> 00:19:19,432.4515 Get ski right coming in. 226 00:19:21,32.5515 --> 00:19:29,462.5515 I think your next for next year, Kevin, you need to master riding, racing, and drinking water with the water bottle. 227 00:19:29,812.5515 --> 00:19:34,782.5515 at the same time hooked in where you can get one of these. 228 00:19:35,627.5515 --> 00:19:36,337.5515 I need that. 229 00:19:36,437.5515 --> 00:19:40,197.5515 or get what they are trying to design for these kind of races. 230 00:19:41,487.5515 --> 00:19:53,487.5515 Hey, Rob, you said you and Derek took different routes or routes, but what was the mileage difference? Do you know? I think my mileage is pretty long. 231 00:19:54,517.5515 --> 00:20:06,227.5515 I compared it to, a couple other people and I think I took a little bit longer route, but I'm not sure, like, Derek, do you know how much miles we did total? I think I can look it up on my garment. 232 00:20:06,227.6515 --> 00:20:11,250.9181667 I think it was on, on the tracking with like 38 or something. 233 00:20:11,250.9181667 --> 00:20:14,537.5515 I compared it to Felipe's line and his, his was a little bit shorter, but. 234 00:20:14,997.5515 --> 00:20:17,607.5515 I guess it just depends on your angle that you have towards the wind. 235 00:20:17,607.5515 --> 00:20:33,847.5505 I mean, because basically the way I was thinking, even if I go super far solid, you know, you, I mean, you have to zigzag anyway, so it doesn't like on a regular standup paddleboard, you can go straight line A to B, but on a wing, you can't really do that anyway, so. 236 00:20:35,7.5505 --> 00:20:49,417.5495 It shouldn't really matter if you do one really long tack downwind and then really back, you know, if you're going super far south as long as you're not, you know, to me, I figure it doesn't make a difference, but maybe it did. 237 00:20:49,417.5495 --> 00:20:58,997.5495 That's what I thought too, because I thought the less we jibed the better, just because in the light air, it's like you, every time you jibed in those confused seas, you're kind of risking falling. 238 00:20:58,997.5495 --> 00:21:02,337.5495 So just doing longer tacks and then. 239 00:21:03,212.5495 --> 00:21:10,442.5495 Yeah, I figure if you stretch out the same line of short jibes, it's gonna be the same distance, but yeah, I don't know if that's true. 240 00:21:11,622.5495 --> 00:21:15,732.5495 Yeah, so I don't know if you can see this, but my, my mileage was 48. 241 00:21:15,852.5485 --> 00:21:17,932.5495 01 miles. 242 00:21:18,382.5495 --> 00:21:20,782.5495 So that's pretty long, long ride. 243 00:21:22,432.5485 --> 00:21:23,2.5495 Oh, wow. 244 00:21:23,632.5495 --> 00:21:24,422.5495 48 miles. 245 00:21:24,422.6495 --> 00:21:26,212.4495 Wow. 246 00:21:29,472.5495 --> 00:21:34,32.4495 In two hours? What was your finish time? My finish time was 2. 247 00:21:34,32.5495 --> 00:21:34,812.5495 18. 248 00:21:34,862.5495 --> 00:21:35,192.5495 2. 249 00:21:35,432.5495 --> 00:21:35,762.5495 18. 250 00:21:37,282.5495 --> 00:21:37,812.5485 Oh, nice. 251 00:21:37,812.5495 --> 00:21:37,932.5495 Okay. 252 00:21:38,582.5495 --> 00:21:46,352.5495 How was the guy that that took first? Huh? What did, what he doing under two hours from New Zealand? Did it in 1 48, which is just, wow. 253 00:21:46,712.5495 --> 00:21:46,952.5495 Yeah. 254 00:21:46,982.5495 --> 00:21:51,362.5495 Like the second fastest time was Bobo Gallagher, who did it in 2 0 2. 255 00:21:51,842.5495 --> 00:21:52,682.5495 So that's like Mm-Hmm. 256 00:21:52,922.5495 --> 00:21:56,822.5495 14 minutes behind Aiden so, wow. 257 00:21:57,302.5495 --> 00:22:03,362.5495 It's a, that's a huge difference at that kind, you know, he was miles ahead, you know, kinda Right. 258 00:22:03,367.5495 --> 00:22:03,447.5495 Yeah. 259 00:22:04,672.5495 --> 00:22:05,652.5495 Well, there you go, Matt. 260 00:22:05,882.5495 --> 00:22:06,992.5495 That's your goal next year. 261 00:22:07,312.5495 --> 00:22:08,242.5495 Under two hours. 262 00:22:08,822.5495 --> 00:22:09,732.5495 Yeah, that's the goal. 263 00:22:11,762.5495 --> 00:22:12,582.5495 I'm going for it. 264 00:22:16,212.5485 --> 00:22:19,792.5495 300 mice lab foil and a 7 meter. 265 00:22:20,472.5495 --> 00:22:21,822.5485 Better get my order in now. 266 00:22:21,822.6485 --> 00:22:26,922.5495 And make sure you get a 45 inch mask. 267 00:22:29,432.5495 --> 00:22:33,87.4495 What would you do different next year? Like, what would you take away? Next year. 268 00:22:36,817.5495 --> 00:22:37,457.5495 I don't know. 269 00:22:37,457.5495 --> 00:22:46,157.5495 I guess what ultimately would help me and a bunch of us guys as regular footers is learning how to switch stance. 270 00:22:46,887.5495 --> 00:22:55,487.5495 So, you know, we can lean on it a little bit more, but we always in a surf, so we just never switch stance. 271 00:22:56,367.5495 --> 00:23:00,287.5495 but I would just go maybe, maybe go with a bigger hand wings. 272 00:23:00,992.5495 --> 00:23:06,982.5495 And, go with a foil that I'm comfortable with on a day of the race or the day before Alex. 273 00:23:08,72.5495 --> 00:23:09,32.5495 Hey, try this wing. 274 00:23:09,42.5495 --> 00:23:10,132.5495 This, this one is good. 275 00:23:10,132.5495 --> 00:23:13,242.5495 This is a new tail and a new front wing. 276 00:23:14,442.5495 --> 00:23:16,252.5495 I said, yeah, might as well. 277 00:23:16,252.5495 --> 00:23:17,842.5495 You know, that's much, that's the latest. 278 00:23:17,842.5495 --> 00:23:22,852.5485 So I tried it and, I dunno, it was fast, but it wasn't something I was used to. 279 00:23:23,692.5485 --> 00:23:28,572.5495 So yeah, probably just use whatever you practicing with up to the race day. 280 00:23:28,702.5495 --> 00:23:29,672.5495 Just go with that. 281 00:23:30,222.5495 --> 00:23:33,352.5495 yeah, that's a good point to like it really does favor goofy footer. 282 00:23:33,352.5495 --> 00:23:58,877.5505 It's the races like I'm goofy foot So it was easy, but even switching like I got tired even just riding goofy But dude in the middle, so I switched which I do normally anyway But just to like, you know, cuz you guys probably felt it like one foot was in one legs doing a lot more work You know, so I switched a couple of times in the middle, trying to ride on my weak side. 283 00:23:58,907.5505 --> 00:24:01,617.5505 It is really hard to surf on your weak side. 284 00:24:01,617.5505 --> 00:24:02,847.5505 Going upwind is easy, but. 285 00:24:03,882.5505 --> 00:24:05,862.5505 going downwind was really tricky. 286 00:24:05,862.5505 --> 00:24:07,872.5505 Like it took a ton of focus. 287 00:24:07,882.5505 --> 00:24:26,112.5505 I talked to a few regular footers who that said that even though they can switch their feet, they feel like they're faster and, you know, like, and, whatever you want to call it, they're kind of the twisted stance because they got, you know, forward, then, they can go faster because they have better control, I guess, going downwind. 288 00:24:26,962.5505 --> 00:24:27,372.5505 So. 289 00:24:27,827.5505 --> 00:24:33,327.5505 yeah, we're done right now to be able to switch feet and just to not not get as exhausted. 290 00:24:33,377.6505 --> 00:24:36,467.649 yeah, maybe I'll leave it some of that pressure for a little bit. 291 00:24:36,507.649 --> 00:24:44,507.65 And then, once you get to that nice cooking area, you can just go ahead with your normal stance and and power up and try to get. 292 00:24:45,87.651 --> 00:24:46,197.651 As fast as possible. 293 00:24:47,37.651 --> 00:24:58,967.651 Yeah, you guys like when I approached Diamondhead kind of from the outside, I guess maybe because I was on the real southerly angle too, but it was kind of cool because it looked different. 294 00:24:58,977.651 --> 00:25:04,607.551 You know, like, because we always do the Hawaii Kai run where you kind of come from the Hawaii Kai side. 295 00:25:04,617.551 --> 00:25:07,637.551 But when you come out from further out, the Diamondhead looks different. 296 00:25:07,637.651 --> 00:25:10,27.551 It's like the whole view was kind of cool. 297 00:25:10,77.551 --> 00:25:26,27.551 And then the bumps were bigger and yeah, so that was kind of a cool experience for me to come in, come in from a different angle to Hawai'i Kai, you know, like from way outside or no outside, way outside Port Lock was cool to pass to, you know. 298 00:25:26,897.551 --> 00:25:27,97.551 Yeah. 299 00:25:27,97.551 --> 00:25:29,97.552 You're looking at the whole scenery. 300 00:25:30,497.552 --> 00:25:31,917.552 It looks different from that angle. 301 00:25:32,717.552 --> 00:25:33,57.552 All right. 302 00:25:33,97.552 --> 00:25:44,97.552 Anything else you guys want to share or talk about? just go with your instincts and what you had because during the race, like we was going out, man, I don't see anybody. 303 00:25:44,97.552 --> 00:25:46,247.551 I don't even know where everybody's at. 304 00:25:46,267.552 --> 00:25:52,787.552 So, in the meantime, my phone, we're making noises. 305 00:25:52,937.551 --> 00:25:54,157.551 I think the alarm went off once. 306 00:25:54,167.551 --> 00:25:55,417.552 So I could stop and turn it off. 307 00:25:55,737.552 --> 00:25:57,737.552 And then one time I pulled it out as we were going. 308 00:25:58,467.552 --> 00:26:00,907.552 I seen a message from some of our guy, our friends. 309 00:26:00,907.552 --> 00:26:01,797.552 I'm Eddie. 310 00:26:02,192.552 --> 00:26:05,952.552 Mario and they were texting and I'll go, I look at that. 311 00:26:05,952.552 --> 00:26:08,292.552 They said, Oh, they showed a tracking of everybody else. 312 00:26:08,332.552 --> 00:26:15,582.552 Like where Kevin was, Matt, where Robert, you know, and then it's, they messaged me and they said, Hey Derek, you're way north. 313 00:26:15,632.553 --> 00:26:17,462.553 What are you doing up there? And I'm looked at it. 314 00:26:17,462.653 --> 00:26:20,441.516 Okay. 315 00:26:20,727.6155 --> 00:26:23,7.6155 Yeah, they told me drop down, drop down. 316 00:26:23,7.6155 --> 00:26:23,957.6155 I go, Oh, shock. 317 00:26:24,137.6155 --> 00:26:24,567.6155 Okay. 318 00:26:24,567.6155 --> 00:26:36,107.6155 So took some pictures, some videos of the fish and then I started making my way down, but, actually should have, you know, and then I was texting them, Hey, how's the wind at time? And they go, Oh, the wind is solid, strong. 319 00:26:36,167.6155 --> 00:26:36,417.6155 Yeah. 320 00:26:36,467.6145 --> 00:26:38,497.6155 You can stay close and blah, blah, blah. 321 00:26:38,547.6155 --> 00:26:43,897.6155 Just read them at the same time, but I should have just stuck to my instincts and what I wanted and went. 322 00:26:44,462.6155 --> 00:26:52,702.6145 Straight, you know, because, we got to Manalua Bay and when I got over there, the guys on, that was escorting, they was like, hey, the wind is light, stay outside. 323 00:26:52,702.6155 --> 00:26:59,712.6165 I was like, shit, what, what now? Now I got to go all the way back outside and then try to avoid the boats and all of that. 324 00:26:59,712.6165 --> 00:27:06,312.6165 So, yeah, I think you just got to get a game plan and try to stick with it, but, you know, just be ready for any kind of variables. 325 00:27:06,572.6165 --> 00:27:13,242.6165 A lot of times that influence from others like in your head and going, Hey, do this, do that. 326 00:27:13,302.6165 --> 00:27:23,882.6165 you just should go with what you know, and what works for you every day that you've been practicing, you know? Yeah. 327 00:27:23,932.6165 --> 00:27:28,142.6165 Probably looking at your phone and texting while you're winging is probably not a good idea either. 328 00:27:30,52.6165 --> 00:27:31,912.6165 Or at least really hard. 329 00:27:31,962.7165 --> 00:27:32,402.7165 Yeah. 330 00:27:34,442.7165 --> 00:27:35,642.7165 Fortunately, I never fought. 331 00:27:35,642.7165 --> 00:27:58,142.7165 I don't even know what happened, but I mean, It was, it was good to see, you know, like, okay, how's the wind, like I was able to, at one point, check the weather, you know, the high wind surface and go, oh, we got wind, and oh, okay, here, here's your track, you know, boom, boom, and started going, but once we got close, just everything, went against everything that, we practice. 332 00:27:58,142.7165 --> 00:28:05,742.7155 So yeah, definitely stick with your guns, stick with what you know, and go for it, you know, next year, next year, everybody for sure. 333 00:28:07,522.7155 --> 00:28:08,132.7165 go for it. 334 00:28:08,782.7165 --> 00:28:22,972.717 I wonder, I was just thinking it might be kind of cool to have someone, like a coach or someone that's like land based and can check the tracks and whatever, check the wind and whatever, and give you you know, talk to you over some headphones or whatever, give you some coaching while you're waiting. 335 00:28:23,372.716 --> 00:28:24,72.716 That might be cool. 336 00:28:24,932.716 --> 00:28:25,392.717 I don't know. 337 00:28:25,482.717 --> 00:28:29,752.717 A lot of the guys use their phone, their, wireless waterproof earphones. 338 00:28:30,297.717 --> 00:28:32,747.717 And they play music and they sync to their phone. 339 00:28:32,747.717 --> 00:28:45,997.716 So I think that could be one of those things, you know, like, hey, you're in six, but you're North, you got a better line, blah, blah, blah, you know, you could definitely could use that. 340 00:28:46,347.717 --> 00:28:51,387.716 I don't know if you would call it cheating or using technology as your. 341 00:28:54,632.717 --> 00:28:57,872.717 Yeah, I mean, that's what everybody does in pro sports, right? They talk to their coaches. 342 00:28:58,952.717 --> 00:29:05,462.717 Coaches get points along the way, so I wouldn't be surprised if that happens as it becomes more professional, you know. 343 00:29:06,782.717 --> 00:29:07,852.717 Yes, Yeah, for sure. 344 00:29:09,537.717 --> 00:29:10,627.717 They got money and stuff. 345 00:29:10,627.717 --> 00:29:14,417.717 and, I didn't know there was categories. 346 00:29:14,417.717 --> 00:29:18,367.717 I thought it was just winner take all, you know, like the fast, three fastest guys. 347 00:29:18,377.716 --> 00:29:24,647.717 But when we went to the award ceremony, there was like age groups and, all kinds of stuff. 348 00:29:24,647.717 --> 00:29:25,687.7165 So that was pretty cool. 349 00:29:26,307.7155 --> 00:29:27,687.7165 I'm glad they included that. 350 00:29:28,977.7165 --> 00:29:29,347.7165 Yes. 351 00:29:29,447.7165 --> 00:29:33,367.6165 But whoever win the, who's 49 years old, won that category. 352 00:29:33,547.7165 --> 00:29:35,637.7155 Next year they will be in the 50 year old category. 353 00:29:35,777.8165 --> 00:29:39,605.6698334 That's going to be my category, if I get a chance. 354 00:29:39,605.6698334 --> 00:30:02,675.6698334 and then they also have that combined rating for the first time, the Koa'i Triple Crown, so that was the Palimu'a, the Maui to Molokai, and then the Molokai to O'ahu, like a combined rating, whoever had the fastest time in all three races, so that's pretty cool too, that's like another challenge to do all three races, right? Yeah, so I'm going to do my best in every single race, because everything counts. 355 00:30:05,185.6698334 --> 00:30:05,495.6698334 Yep. 356 00:30:07,210.6698334 --> 00:30:09,400.6698334 So Bruce this year and Ray's next year. 357 00:30:09,620.6698334 --> 00:30:12,650.6688334 This is a learning year for, for everybody, you know? Yeah. 358 00:30:12,710.6698334 --> 00:30:15,650.6698334 And, Matt, Rezo said he's coming back next year as well. 359 00:30:15,780.6698334 --> 00:30:16,0.6698334 Yeah. 360 00:30:16,0.6698334 --> 00:30:19,30.6698334 He said, okay, nice. 361 00:30:19,80.6698334 --> 00:30:20,130.6688334 That's good to get him over here. 362 00:30:20,170.6688334 --> 00:30:25,720.6698334 But the piece of this, every year, it just so amazing. 363 00:30:26,80.6698334 --> 00:30:28,120.6698334 Just everything was just. 364 00:30:28,655.6698334 --> 00:30:30,735.6698334 Everything was so good. 365 00:30:31,395.6698334 --> 00:30:32,275.6698334 So much fun. 366 00:30:32,275.7698334 --> 00:30:42,5.6688334 How can you not go back? I guess one thing we should mention is that they limit the amount of spots that are available. 367 00:30:42,5.6698334 --> 00:30:55,875.6698334 So if anyone's interested in entering, you have to enter really early, right? I think this April 1st! Within the first day, right? All 100 spots they had were gone already. 368 00:30:56,385.6698334 --> 00:30:56,845.6698334 Yeah. 369 00:30:57,910.6698334 --> 00:30:58,390.6698334 That's true. 370 00:30:58,410.6698334 --> 00:31:00,340.6698334 I registered, I was waiting. 371 00:31:00,340.6698334 --> 00:31:02,820.6698334 I registered as like less in the first five minutes. 372 00:31:02,870.6698334 --> 00:31:07,40.6698334 and then I called Reza at work and I said, Hey, you know, you got to get on your computer right now. 373 00:31:07,680.6698334 --> 00:31:09,320.6698334 And so we both got registered. 374 00:31:09,320.6698334 --> 00:31:11,150.6698334 Like, yeah, as soon as it opened. 375 00:31:11,150.6698334 --> 00:31:13,280.6698334 And I think in a few hours it was sold out. 376 00:31:13,970.6698334 --> 00:31:14,780.6688334 The M2O. 377 00:31:15,550.6688334 --> 00:31:19,190.6698334 Maybe we should, on YouTube we should just say, don't, don't do it. 378 00:31:19,260.6698334 --> 00:31:20,70.6698334 This race sucks. 379 00:31:21,495.6698334 --> 00:31:27,225.6698334 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, yeah, I think lucky for all of us, you get priority if you already did it. 380 00:31:27,245.6698334 --> 00:31:36,375.6698334 So when, I mean, we all got our radios, we already got everything we need for the race. 381 00:31:36,385.6698334 --> 00:31:42,545.6698334 So like next year is going to be cheaper because we don't have to buy a, all the safety requirements, you know, we got it. 382 00:31:42,635.6698334 --> 00:31:51,485.6698334 So yeah, definitely make sure, make sure you tether. 383 00:31:53,185.6698334 --> 00:31:53,895.6698334 Oh, Yeah. 384 00:31:54,265.6698334 --> 00:31:58,535.6698334 Tell him what, Pilot John did with this brand new Garmin Instinct. 385 00:32:00,465.6698334 --> 00:32:03,555.6698334 Or no, he, he lost the, he lost the, E Purb. 386 00:32:03,565.6688334 --> 00:32:06,55.6698334 He rented an E Purb and lost it the first day. 387 00:32:07,425.6698334 --> 00:32:07,935.6698334 Yes. 388 00:32:09,795.6698334 --> 00:32:12,235.6688334 It's in the ocean somewhere, floating. 389 00:32:13,825.6698334 --> 00:32:20,25.6698334 So always tether all your electronics to, double tethered to something that's not going to get loose. 390 00:32:21,255.6698334 --> 00:32:25,665.6688334 Remember? And that was good, but he should have done that. 391 00:32:26,605.6698334 --> 00:32:30,85.6678334 And he was just jokingly, Oh, you have dental floss to, to hook it up. 392 00:32:30,95.6678334 --> 00:32:31,355.6688334 But nobody had dental floss. 393 00:32:31,365.6678334 --> 00:32:33,15.6688334 Otherwise he would have still have it. 394 00:32:34,435.6688334 --> 00:32:34,615.6688334 Yeah. 395 00:32:34,615.6688334 --> 00:32:38,405.6688334 And you had it like in a zippered case that was like attached to his backpack. 396 00:32:38,475.6688334 --> 00:32:41,415.6688334 But then I guess when he crashed, the zipper came open or something. 397 00:32:41,415.6688334 --> 00:32:41,685.6688334 Right. 398 00:32:41,765.6688334 --> 00:32:41,985.6683334 Right. 399 00:32:41,985.6683334 --> 00:32:43,65.6688334 Is that what happened? Yes. 400 00:32:43,675.6688334 --> 00:32:44,95.6688334 Yes. 401 00:32:45,235.6688334 --> 00:32:53,345.6688334 But you still could like tether it like a dental floss into into it like a leash, you know, but he didn't have it. 402 00:32:53,645.6688334 --> 00:32:58,85.6688334 So we talked about it doing that was jokingly saying that he should have done that. 403 00:32:59,665.6688334 --> 00:33:02,965.6678334 And I did mine and he didn't do his and he lost it. 404 00:33:05,115.6688334 --> 00:33:14,355.6688334 Wife or girlfriend and she had to get one from West Marine, take it to the airport, ship it to Molokai, so they arrived the next day for the race and time for the race. 405 00:33:14,365.6688334 --> 00:33:14,795.6688334 Yes. 406 00:33:15,585.6678334 --> 00:33:17,985.6678334 That was a pretty good effort of her to do that. 407 00:33:18,875.6678334 --> 00:33:19,905.6688334 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 408 00:33:20,415.6678334 --> 00:33:20,555.6678334 Definitely. 409 00:33:20,555.6688334 --> 00:33:21,385.6678334 Safe is race. 410 00:33:22,465.6678334 --> 00:33:23,305.6678334 Safe is race. 411 00:33:23,305.7678334 --> 00:33:24,40.5688334 Yeah. 412 00:33:25,70.7688334 --> 00:33:35,630.7688334 What about you, Rob? any changes for next year or any, equipment things? Somebody mentioned, hey, Robert didn't use his own wing. 413 00:33:36,400.7688334 --> 00:33:51,470.7698334 why was that? can you give us any, insights on why you chose another wing? I know you was going to use, The seven meter blue planet, right? Yeah, I was going to use a seven meter, but then the strut ripped on the day before. 414 00:33:52,120.7698334 --> 00:34:11,440.7688334 so I had another backup wing was my ozone fusion, which is actually a really fast wing and it's like that double profile wing, but I think for the downwind race and the lighter wind, I guess, I think my blue planet wing would have been better, just has a little bit more low end power. 415 00:34:12,115.7698334 --> 00:34:23,625.7698334 a little bit more, um, um, but that Ozone wing is really nice for course racing, like where you have to go upwind, because it has less drag, it's really smooth and fast. 416 00:34:23,655.7698334 --> 00:34:29,605.7688334 especially going upwind or going downwind, I think it's not as much of an advantage, but I don't know. 417 00:34:29,645.7698334 --> 00:34:33,355.7698334 I think, it's mostly about the foil really where the speed comes from. 418 00:34:33,405.7698334 --> 00:34:36,675.7698334 the wing provides the power, but the foil is what goes fast. 419 00:34:37,135.7698334 --> 00:34:51,655.7693334 Just seeing like Alan Cadiz and Ken Winner, they were on those, Microsoft 325s and they would just kind of walk away from me really quickly, So to me, that's kind of, my thing is like, okay, I got it. 420 00:34:52,90.7693334 --> 00:34:55,390.7693334 Order another foil, I guess, if I want to compete with those guys. 421 00:34:56,500.7693334 --> 00:34:58,700.7693334 So gotta get out the credit card again. 422 00:34:59,290.7693334 --> 00:34:59,560.7693334 Yeah. 423 00:34:59,620.7693334 --> 00:35:13,350.7673334 We better get our, you know, like in the Maurice and Molokai race, it actually ended up being good that it didn't have a small foil, you know? So I think on the 325, I would have struggled to get to the finish line, you know, without coming off foil. 424 00:35:14,10.7673334 --> 00:35:16,610.7683334 So, you know, it's always a trade off. 425 00:35:18,150.7683334 --> 00:35:18,500.7683334 No. 426 00:35:18,510.7683334 --> 00:35:18,730.7683334 Okay. 427 00:35:18,930.7683334 --> 00:35:51,600.7673334 Would an 8 meter have been too much, or maybe it might have been with a 300 foil, would that have been kind of a great recipe for success? well, I mean, Derek, you know, like I tried a few 8 meter wings, like I did a couple of different designs and stuff, At some point it seems like there's kind of a point of diminishing returns where the extra drag from the bigger wing, also if it has a wider wingspan it can actually make it harder to take off with the bigger wing, you know. 428 00:35:52,870.7673334 --> 00:36:03,610.7673334 so I don't know like once you get over seven meters I don't know if it really helps like helps that much to go much bigger than that. 429 00:36:03,830.7673334 --> 00:36:06,460.7673334 It seems like seven meters for me is like a good size. 430 00:36:07,345.7673334 --> 00:36:10,675.7673334 Once I go bigger than that, it starts to be kind of too big. 431 00:36:10,675.7673334 --> 00:36:15,595.7673334 You know? I don't know, but maybe it's just I haven't found the right design yet. 432 00:36:16,605.7673334 --> 00:36:22,95.7673334 I think Alex is aware of on, in the M two M, he was on a really big wing too, I think a 7.5 433 00:36:22,95.7673334 --> 00:36:22,755.7673334 or something like that. 434 00:36:22,755.7673334 --> 00:36:32,115.7673334 Or was it an eight meter? Do you know Derek? I think he had a seven five for the M two M And which is huge. 435 00:36:32,655.7673334 --> 00:36:34,265.7673334 It was kind of struggling with it. 436 00:36:34,515.7673334 --> 00:36:36,995.7673334 He told me afterwards, like, yeah, it was kind of too big. 437 00:36:37,395.7673334 --> 00:36:39,355.7673334 so then the channel, it was much lighter. 438 00:36:39,355.7673334 --> 00:36:42,85.7673334 So then the bigger wing by the top there. 439 00:36:47,425.7663334 --> 00:36:48,445.7673334 Yeah, definitely. 440 00:36:48,465.7673334 --> 00:36:53,935.7673334 When I grabbed Eli's seven meter, it didn't feel that the tips are always touching. 441 00:36:53,935.7673334 --> 00:37:03,625.7673334 I guess it depends on your height, you know, like taller person, like for you, the seven meter would be perfect, but for shorter people, like it was always touching the water. 442 00:37:03,885.7673334 --> 00:37:05,405.7663334 Oh, gosh, it's happening. 443 00:37:07,135.7663334 --> 00:37:12,825.7663334 Yeah, I mean, like, if you have your wing at an angle, and you can't really power up. 444 00:37:12,855.7663334 --> 00:37:15,825.7673334 So, like, you really want to get the wing more vertical. 445 00:37:16,280.7673334 --> 00:37:20,810.7673334 But yeah, the water level, if it touches the water, you can't bring it down as much. 446 00:37:20,810.7673334 --> 00:37:21,960.7673334 So that's the thing. 447 00:37:21,960.7673334 --> 00:37:26,270.7673334 If the wing is big and the wingspan is too wide, you can't create as much power. 448 00:37:26,270.7673334 --> 00:37:34,450.7673334 I feel like sometimes I can actually create more power with a slightly smaller wing because I can bring it lower to the water and kind of pump myself up. 449 00:37:35,50.7673334 --> 00:37:39,780.7663334 And I know, Derek, like I've seen you use a four meter wing and almost. 450 00:37:40,275.7663334 --> 00:37:45,775.7663334 Super, I mean, it's super light wind where I'm using a seven meter and you're still able to pump up on foil. 451 00:37:45,795.7663334 --> 00:37:54,65.7663334 So, yeah, some of it is still, I guess, but I guess we're going down when you do need the pressure. 452 00:37:54,375.7663334 --> 00:38:00,945.7663334 And as you, the more you go down, when the less wind you have in your wing, right? So kind of a different game for sure. 453 00:38:02,765.7663334 --> 00:38:13,75.7673334 Oh, Matt, did you use a different wing or you had the five or you had the seven meter? so I had a five and Reza had a five seven. 454 00:38:13,785.7663334 --> 00:38:23,875.7683334 And then at one point, for the Maui to Molokai, we actually borrowed a six meter from Felipe because it was too light. 455 00:38:24,635.7683334 --> 00:38:26,345.7683334 I used the five, seven for that. 456 00:38:26,935.7683334 --> 00:38:30,425.7683334 And he used Felipe six meter, which was good. 457 00:38:31,25.7683334 --> 00:38:44,935.8673334 And then, but like kind of to Rob's point on the Kamala around the next day, I was on a five and I felt way more efficient on that because it was just, easier for me because I'm not tall, trim a smaller wing, and make a lot of speed. 458 00:38:45,585.8673334 --> 00:39:10,225.8663334 But then, yeah, there's a point where, you know, I probably should have been on a 5, some 5, 7, the 5, 7 for the M2O, or probably a 6, but then, because I'm not tall, it's kind of diminishing returns, you know, like anything bigger than a 6, I trip over it, So yeah, I think for next year, I'm going to practice a lot more of the 6 meter, you know, so that if I end up using a 6, then. 459 00:39:11,295.8663334 --> 00:39:19,535.8663334 I'll be better at it, but I don't think I can go bigger than that without basically falling over it, you know, because I hit the tips and then I fall. 460 00:39:19,555.8663334 --> 00:39:30,135.8663334 So this is kind of my maximum, right? What's the practice practice with what you're going to do? Sorry, go ahead. 461 00:39:31,695.8653334 --> 00:39:37,845.8653334 No, I just practiced what you're going to use for. 462 00:39:40,815.8653334 --> 00:39:42,205.8663334 Yeah, you're kind of breaking up, Derek. 463 00:39:43,215.8663334 --> 00:39:48,605.8663334 But yeah, what I was gonna say, what I find amazing is that when it's windy and you got a lot of speed. 464 00:39:48,965.8663334 --> 00:39:53,725.8663334 It's amazing that you can be fully sheeted in while you're going almost straight downwind. 465 00:39:53,725.8663334 --> 00:40:00,505.8658334 So it's like the apparent wind is coming from, even though you're going straight downwind, the apparent wind is kind of coming towards you. 466 00:40:00,505.8658334 --> 00:40:02,905.8663334 So you can totally sheet in. 467 00:40:03,605.8663334 --> 00:40:17,285.8663334 Sometimes it's kind of weird because it feels like you're riding kind of like with a clue toward, towards the wind, right? The back of the wing is pointing almost straight into the wind, but somehow the wind is still, you still got pressure in the wing. 468 00:40:17,285.8663334 --> 00:40:17,655.8663334 So. 469 00:40:18,975.8663334 --> 00:40:33,565.8663334 And that's, I think, the most efficient if you can keep the wing powered up, but go almost straight downwind, you know, that's, that's what you, that's the ultimate goal, right, I just felt like I could really sheet in and just go faster and faster and faster. 470 00:40:34,95.8663334 --> 00:40:35,115.8663334 Which was super fun. 471 00:40:35,245.8663334 --> 00:40:36,755.8663334 You know, that was a good feeling. 472 00:40:38,745.8663334 --> 00:40:46,505.8663334 Oh, another thing I wanted to mention was, especially I noticed in the Kamala run, the bumps were not super fast. 473 00:40:46,505.8663334 --> 00:40:54,615.8663334 So you like on a wing flow board, you can actually pass the bumps and that, you know, to go really fast, you basically have to go faster than the bumps. 474 00:40:55,205.8663334 --> 00:40:58,115.8663334 what I kind of learned on just doing the run was. 475 00:40:58,880.8663334 --> 00:41:01,950.8663334 That you don't want to get on the steep parts of the bump. 476 00:41:01,990.8663334 --> 00:41:05,10.8663334 Like you don't want to go down this steep part of the bump. 477 00:41:05,30.8663334 --> 00:41:12,830.8663334 Cause then we can either go too fast and over foil, or you kind of hit this trough and then get into the steep bump in front of it. 478 00:41:13,670.8663334 --> 00:41:24,170.8663334 So it's kind of more like angling on the steep parts and trying to find spots where it's kind of a little bit more flatter, or there's like kind of a bump between the bumps that you can, it's almost like a bridge. 479 00:41:24,180.8663334 --> 00:41:28,90.8663334 You can take a bridge from one bump to the next bump, stuff like that. 480 00:41:28,170.8663334 --> 00:41:45,250.8643334 It was really focusing on the water surface and always adjusting the course to kind of try to go as fast as I can without, over foiling basically not going too fast, but at the same time keeping up the speed and trying to overtake the bumps, right? So it's a cool game. 481 00:41:45,260.8653334 --> 00:41:48,670.8653334 It's, it takes a lot of, it's like, Really fast. 482 00:41:48,720.8653334 --> 00:41:51,843.4153334 It's like probably like car racing or something like that. 483 00:41:51,843.4153334 --> 00:41:57,553.4153334 That's why that race was so fun because it was so short, I don't know if I can concentrate that hard for like two hours. 484 00:41:58,693.4153334 --> 00:42:09,123.4143334 one of the biggest challenges I think of the mobile kinds of our race because it's like, so yeah, for two hours to have that level of concentration and go at that full max out speed is almost impossible. 485 00:42:09,133.4153334 --> 00:42:24,193.4153334 sometimes you just have to Slow down a little bit, right? well I guess that's what it takes to win, and Aiden was probably dialed in the whole time going as hard as he could, you know? All right, well cool. 486 00:42:24,283.4153334 --> 00:42:28,123.4143334 I hope everyone enjoyed this, little voiceover for our video. 487 00:42:28,233.4153334 --> 00:42:35,253.4153334 I know we kind of went rambling on a little bit, but I'm sure some people are still listening, so thanks for sticking around. 488 00:42:35,303.4153334 --> 00:42:37,253.4153334 Mahalo to the organizers. 489 00:42:37,993.4153334 --> 00:42:39,333.4153334 Mahalo to everybody else. 490 00:42:39,583.4153334 --> 00:42:46,913.4158334 Mahalo to Eli, everybody, all you guys for being part of our great team and making it happen. 491 00:42:49,388.4158334 --> 00:42:50,358.4158334 thanks for including us. 492 00:42:50,368.4158334 --> 00:42:51,48.4158334 That was awesome. 493 00:42:51,818.4158334 --> 00:42:52,238.4158334 Yes. 494 00:42:52,428.4158334 --> 00:42:53,458.4158334 Thanks Eli. 495 00:42:53,728.4158334 --> 00:42:54,688.4158334 Appreciate you. 496 00:42:55,408.4158334 --> 00:42:56,638.4168334 Thank you so much Eli. 497 00:42:57,158.4158334 --> 00:43:06,828.4168334 You're the man who's going to let me stay at this condo again this weekend for the, I'm on Sunday, I'm doing the same race again on a standard paddleboard at like a third of the speed. 498 00:43:06,828.4168334 --> 00:43:15,898.4168334 So Kevin, how you were saying it takes forever to get closer to imagine going like a third of the speed that we're, we're going when we're foiling. 499 00:43:15,928.4168334 --> 00:43:18,408.4168334 So It feels like you're stuck in quicksand. 500 00:43:18,408.4168334 --> 00:43:24,568.4168334 Sometimes like you're not moving, but it's a mental game too. 501 00:43:24,568.4168334 --> 00:43:26,158.4158334 You know, he's kind of kind of pushed through it. 502 00:43:26,198.4168334 --> 00:43:28,18.4158334 So yeah. 503 00:43:28,18.4168334 --> 00:43:29,338.4158334 Good luck and have fun. 504 00:43:29,478.4168334 --> 00:43:34,148.4158334 yeah, Rob, we'll see you at the finish line. 505 00:43:34,828.4158334 --> 00:43:35,398.4168334 All right. 506 00:43:36,188.4168334 --> 00:43:36,858.4168334 Definitely. 507 00:43:38,288.4168334 --> 00:43:38,848.4168334 Okay. 508 00:43:39,218.4168334 --> 00:43:39,678.4668334 Thanks guys. 509 00:43:39,678.4668334 --> 00:43:40,668.4168334 Have a good night.