December 28, 2023 • 32 mins
Disability does not define one's abilities. With the right mindset and practice, anyone can achieve success in photography. One photographer who has truly harnessed the power of this saying, is this week's guest Jen Reid, a disabled photographer from Folkstone, Kent in southeast England. Jen's disability, called Phocomelia, primarily affects her right arm, making it challenging for her to operate a camera. However, she has found creative solutions to overcome these challenges and despite facing physical challenges, Jen has not let her disability stop her from pursuing her passion for photography.
In fact, she has used her disability as a source of inspiration and motivation to create incredible images that capture the essence of her subjects. In addition to being a pet and wildlife photographer, Jen is also passionate about nature conservation. She is an active supporter of various charities and organizations dedicated to protecting and preserving wildlife. She emphasizes the importance of mindset and practice in achieving success. Jen also discusses her passion for capturing the personalities of pets and her dedication to providing free end-of-life sessions for animals. She shares tips for photographing dogs and she encourages disabled photographers to start and surround themselves with a supportive community. Jen's positive attitude and determination serve as an inspiration to all. Enjoy it!
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Timeline "A Photographer's Journey Beyond Disability":
00:01:38 Disabled But Not Unable
00:04:10 First Steps In Jen Becoming A Photographer
00:07:10 Tips For Great Dog Photography
00:10:00 Importance Of Nature Conservation
00:13:50 Capturing Your Pets Personality
00:17:11 Memorable Moments In Pet Photography
00:19:37 Memorable Moments Being A Disabled Photographer
00:21:15 Jen's Interview With The BBC
00:22:35 What To Start And Stop Doing
00:24:10 Building A Friend's Support System
00:29:51 Closing Thoughts
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>> Jen (00:00):
They are way more important than my camera
gear. I would happily go out of them any day of the
week without any devices. And I don't
know how many people can say that, that they can tolerate
human beings without technology now. But yeah, these
guys are really next level and I say I
can't thank them enough.
>> Dave (00:18):
Spanning the globe to bring great photographers
and their experiences directly to
you. It's 08:00 p.m. In Japan,
01:00 p.m. In Spain, and high noon
in our guests home in Folkstone, Kent
in southeast England. That means it's time
for the camera cafe show brought to you by
(00:38):
photographers.
Tom Jacob and Dave Payne. Hello there,
Tom.
Would you like to welcome our special.
Guests and introduce her to our listeners?
>> Tom (00:46):
Thanks, Dave, and welcome everyone with
us.
Today, an amazing, strong photographer.
I can say in a way that.
She has a physical impairment which would.
Be seen as making life harder
as a photographer, but she went out and.
Made it happen and that alone is.
Just a fantastic story you want to hear, right, Dave?
>> Dave (01:06):
Absolutely.
>> Tom (01:07):
Today we talk with Jen Reid from.
The UK and we will walk together through her
journey. How she unspired her disability,
became a great nature art, and pet photographer,
and hope she can inspire us all. So
welcome to the show today, Jen.
>> Jen (01:24):
Hi there, guys.
Thank you for having me.
>> Dave (01:27):
it's our pleasure. Our pleasure.
Jen, you mentioned in some of your descriptions
that you are, quote, disabled but.
Not unable, close quote.
That really strikes close to home for.
Me because I'm a fellow
disabled photographer as well.
What you've achieved and what you're doing is really
(01:48):
special. Can you tell us a little bit about
how your disability hasn't stopped you
and how you adapted your approach to photography to
create your incredible images?
>> Jen (02:00):
Well, first, I'm glad I could.
Inspire you as well.
We need to band together as a disabled community
and, push out, obviously, to bigger, communities that we're
still.
Completely able to do everything else.
I don't really know where to start.
With my m animal photography and my disability, though.
It's all the mindset, isn't it?
(02:20):
If, you have a good mindset, good things will come. But of course,
practice, practice, practice.
>> Dave (02:25):
Tell us, Jen, tell us a little bit,
just a little about your disability and
then how you've
adapted your approach.
You've already got the great
mindset. How did you adapt your approach to.
Photography to get those images of yours?
>> Jen (02:44):
Okay, so I have a disability called
phocomelia which mainly affects my right, arm.
It looks like a trex, arm for those trying to
imagine it. But I call it my lucky fin. My main
adaptions for my camera is one,
finding the professional camera that
has to be small enough to fit my only hand. And then
(03:05):
secondly, I have a cable.
Tie and some duct tape, which.
I use to get one of my.
Fingers on my fin in so I.
Can change my focal length because I.
Can'T grip the circular focus
plane.
And then I also have an adapter.
Which is basically a blue stick. And I line
the subjects animals,
(03:26):
plants.
In my frame using the notches on said stick.
So there's four. And if they're very small animals, like a
kingfisher, then that would be on notch one. But if they're bigger like
a lion or tiger, notch two.
And that really helps me.
>> Tom (03:41):
Wow, you got it all figured out, Jen.
There your working process.
>> Jen (03:46):
Yeah, it took me a while to figure it out and
sometimes I still.
struggle finding the animal in the frame.
Not all of them have the one.
Or two notch rules.
Sometimes it can be four. Three or
four.
>> Tom (04:00):
Let's go a bit back now, Jen,
how you decided to become a pet.
And, wildlife photographer?
>> Jen (04:08):
I had a situation arise with my.
Dog and that made me start
photography in general.
And then a few years later, we had our, ah, lockdown
here in the UK and I gave my pets
photography child syndrome, which every time I
pulled up my camera, they were like, please.
Mum, no, no more.
(04:28):
So I went out and started photographing
the wildlife instead. And now juggled both
very happily.
>> Tom (04:36):
Okay, and what's the situation that
triggered it with your dog?
>> Jen (04:41):
He nearly died.
I won't get into it because trigger warning, of course, but
yeah, it wasn't very pleasant. He thankfully is
very much alive and.
He'S healthy at six and a half years old now.
>> Tom (04:54):
And you started making pictures of him
from being afraid he would die and.
To have pictures of him.
>> Jen (05:01):
Yeah. when he was in the vets.
I had like a flash, basically like
life before your eyes kind of flash.
And I realized that although mobile
phone selfies are, incredible for capturing the
moment, but when you have a situation
like this on your hands and you're trying to find a photo
that really captures the true
(05:23):
personality of what your.
Pet is, I had nothing that
really.
Spoke to me and that broke my heart. So
my main goal in photography is to capture your
pet's personality to the fullest. So you never
have to go through.
What I went through.
>> Tom (05:40):
It's amazing. Also, I remember you
told us you will do free sessions for
people who.
Have animals in the last moments?
>> Dave (05:49):
No.
>> Jen (05:50):
yes, I do. Free end of life sessions for all
animals, even your turtles and your fish, just to
make sure that you do.
Have that one photo and on
an.
>> Tom (05:59):
Emotional level for you and
people is.
>> Jen (06:04):
A very touching subject.
I've had mixed opinions on
why I do this.
It, is very emotional on my.
Behalf as much as owners.
But that sadness and heartbreak does
eventually.
Turn into just pure magical
love when.
They see the final result. I've had people wanting
(06:24):
the photos within.
The week, and I've had other people.
That haven't wanted to see them for about a year.
It all depends on, of course,
where.
You stand in the emotional range.
But I am there for you, however long
it will take.
>> Dave (06:40):
Jen, a question real quick, just so that
our listeners are clear. You're doing wildlife
photography and also people's
pet photography, correct?
Yep. And I also do work in dogs as
busy, busy.
>> Jen (06:55):
Wow.
>> Tom (06:56):
Dave, I think it's the right person to ask. Maybe.
Jen, give me two or
three tips.
How I can make the best pictures from my dogs.
They never sit still.
>> Jen (07:07):
Okay.
So first, I would say if they're
food orientated, use their dinner.
A simple sit and stay.
You only need four to 5 seconds.
Minimum to get their attention. So, yeah, if they're
food orientated, use.
Their food next to your camera, and.
As soon as they look over, there's your photo. If they're
(07:28):
toy orientated, same thing, but
you have to learn as well. The second tip I'd give
you is.
When and when not to use food.
Or toys because too much preys will.
Bore them and get them uninterested and.
Not enough will also do the same thing.
And my second tip, my third tip. Sorry,
would be eye level.
(07:49):
If you can get eye level on.
Any animal that brings an
extra connection.
To the viewer of your photo, saying.
Eye level is 100% must go to.
But as a great starting point, always.
Try to get eye level. And if you have a chihuahua, then
unfortunately you're going to have to go on the ground.
>> Tom (08:09):
Yes. Well, the thing I started with their.
>> Dave (08:11):
Pet is a snake.
>> Jen (08:13):
Oh. Snakes are very cool to photo.
I have a very strict rule with my business that I
will not bring a snake out or any
animal that involves a tank does not leave a tank.
And like a snake that require a lot of heat, they
do not come.
Out of said heat source because it's very dangerous
for them. Those snakes. Yeah.
(08:33):
Ah, 50 50, you can get them.
On a good day.
But if you find someone especially
that.
Has, I'd say trained it. Trained a snake.
Some snakes only come out because they only
feed them. So every time there's food
around, they.
Can quite get quite snappy,
if that's.
The right word to do it. So if you find someone
(08:55):
that has a snake that is really good with being
handled, you can get some fantastic.
Shots just in their bavarium.
I think that's the correct word for.
>> Tom (09:06):
You do.
Well, this will be studio shots.
But if you do with the dogs Jen, you do outdoor shoots
or you.
Do them in a makeshift studio.
>> Jen (09:15):
I don't personally have my own studio. I
make a makeshift one, either at their house
or at my house with my own pets of course.
But yes, I would very much prefer them to be
outside living their best life, sniffing all the
leaves.
>> Tom (09:30):
These pictures I can make with mine.
I have the problem with. If I put them in a
studio, they will just never. I can do them one
by one.
But all the three together is very difficult.
>> Jen (09:42):
Yeah, I can imagine.
>> Tom (09:47):
Jen, let's go a bit to your wildlife.
Know, it gets obvious the more
photographers.
Dave and I interview, they
all walk.
From starting out in wildlife
photography and.
They end up in nature
conservation.
Is that also the case for you, Jen?
(10:07):
Are you active in it?
>> Jen (10:09):
yes, I was active in it before I became a
photographer anyway. But now I am a photographer and
I have a deeper respect for individual.
Species on this planet.
I am very much active in it. I'm
in support of and donate to quite a
few charities, the RSPB,
the Royal Society of Birds in the UK.
(10:30):
I'm part of Kent Wildlife Trust.
I'm also part of. And then I have
memberships to my local wildlife
conservation parks like the Aspinal foundation
who are in Portland Zoo and Howlettz
Wildlife park.
They are a key breeding
partner for.
Endangered species and they also release them into the
(10:51):
wild.
>> Tom (10:52):
Your main place is to go
shooting animals photography? I
mean, of course it's in your backyard,
in your town, or you.
Go also out to zoos or
wildlife places.
>> Jen (11:07):
Ah, I normally go to one of the wildlife
parks with my friends every Saturday. We
try to as best as we can and sometimes during
the week if I have a free day. But
usually I'm in either hive
canal, which is about a 20 minutes bus journey from my
town, or I'm in Kirsney Abbey, which
(11:27):
is Dover, the other.
Side of my town.
If I'm not outside then yeah, I'm in
focusing, catching up on the local.
Parks and the beach.
>> Tom (11:36):
And what's your favorite animal, Jen?
>> Jen (11:39):
My favourite animal as a whole will.
Always be a wolf. I'm, not particularly
picky on the.
Species of wolf, but wolves in general.
My favorite animal that I've personally
photographed.
So far, would be my kingfisher.
>> Tom (11:54):
What I find amazing is that
you.
Show people that, because most people will say that
you have to go to.
Nature to make the pictures, but
sometimes.
It's impossible to go or we don't have these animals.
So you have to go to a wildlife place
where you go and you make incredible pictures there and
you show.
The people that even you can go there, you can watch them there and you
(12:16):
can make good photography. I like it very much, Jen,
this aspect.
>> Jen (12:20):
Thank you. it can be quite a challenge
at the zoo to get a photo.
Of the animals that don't look like they're in a
zoo.
Credit to the designers of their enclosures.
Really, I have to say for that.
But, yes, definitely possible. But it adds that extra challenge
to it.
So it's good to see an animal in their natural
environment, even though it's.
(12:42):
Kind of not their natural environment, if.
That kind of makes sense.
>> Tom (12:46):
Yeah, no, I understand.
What equipment are you using now, Jen?
>> Jen (12:49):
I currently have a Nikon Z six.
And my sigma 150 to 600
mil rarely ever leaves my camera.
But I also have the Nikon 70 to
200, 2.8.
>> Dave (13:02):
Okay.
>> Tom (13:02):
And your most used is the 150 to
600. And you ever
bought something that you say?
I, wish I haven't bought it.
>> Jen (13:12):
And I'd like to say my tripod.
Because I have a really love hate relationship with it.
But, yeah, flash gun and tripod, I.
Wish I didn't invest in because I.
Work outside a lot and the
tripod.
Is solely because of, ah, my one arm. I have too
much freedom, just holding a camera. But when you add a
tripod to.
It, it's like 6ft of
(13:34):
weight.
>> Dave (13:35):
Jen, question for you.
I was thinking about our last conversation when we were
getting to know each other. And then again, in this one,
you try to capture in your pet
photography, you try to capture the pet's
personality. How do you do that? Do
you go to visit them and.
Get familiar with them like a day.
Before the actual shoot? Or how do
(13:58):
you work to bring.
Out their personality and capture it?
>> Jen (14:02):
First things I, do is every.
Single potential client I have has to
fill out a questionnaire.
And that questionnaire, gives me the basic information
of their animal. So obviously what animal it is, what
gender? Depending on the gender. Are they
newton or spayed solely if we're in a busy area
or not. So I know to keep an eye out. If they're in season,
(14:23):
they are not being photographed until after. And then
I have more in depth questions, like, if they have any
disabilities.
If they've got a hip dysplasia, they've.
Three legged, et cetera, blind, deaf. And
then there's a little section at.
The bottom where I find out what.
Their fun words are, where they love.
To be, what part of the day do they think
(14:46):
that is the best?
Which one of the family members do.
They love the most?
Although you'd love to think that dogs love everyone,
there's always one individual person.
Isn'T there, that they love more?
And then going by that questionnaire, then, yeah, if
they are very nervous around.
New people, then, I will actively meet
them beforehand so they're comfortable with
(15:07):
me.
And then I never ask anything of any pets
until at the end of our session, because then they're fully
comfortable. They're tired because they've sniffed
leaves and stuff. And then everything ends in lots
of treats, toys, all the good stuff that you could ask for,
or nothing at.
All, if that's the type of personality.
>> Dave (15:26):
That's amazing. You've really got this
figured out. Do you do
pet portraits with the owner in
the shot?
>> Jen (15:36):
Yes, they ask me for it.
>> Dave (15:38):
Does that make.
>> Jen (15:40):
Wow.
>> Dave (15:40):
it's hard enough doing good portrait photography
of a single person standing there or posing.
What's it like? It's like shooting two portraits at one
time.
>> Jen (15:50):
Yeah. It can be quite challenging because now I have
to take into consideration the wind with their hair, especially
if long.
Hair, make sure they don't blink.
Sometimes, though, I have people that really do not want
a portrait with their dogs.
so what I do instead is.
I get a close up of their.
Dog'S eye with their reflection in their dog's
eye.
>> Dave (16:09):
Oh, great solution.
>> Jen (16:11):
Yeah. That is a lovely
touch.
>> Dave (16:15):
It's fascinating.
I never would have thought there was.
So much to do it.
You think of pets and they're around, you play
with them, they play with.
You, you feed them, they snuggle
up.
And fall asleep on you. End of story. But you've really
got this figured out extremely well.
Yeah.
>> Jen (16:32):
It's all about catching, the moments of love when
you add a person.
Into the picture with their dog, because
anyone can sit, and I do love.
Those photos as well. But that moment where they turn around and
smile at them, and then the dog's looking at them with
the utmost devotion, those moments come
naturally, and you've.
Just got to be there, ready and waiting.
>> Dave (16:54):
Boy, that leads to
a wonderful question.
Could you share with our listeners two.
Or maybe three of the most memorable.
Personal moments you've
experienced in, shooting pets.
And as a disabled photographer,
I would.
>> Jen (17:13):
Say this is kind of pets.
I photographed a pet cemetery
once, so.
That was an extremely emotional and
rememberable experience. So, of course, they're not obviously alive.
At this point, but to be in
such a sacred area was
definitely one of the top ones up there,
(17:34):
I'd.
Say another rememberable experience. My
friend's staffy, bless his heart, had to
be put to sleep.
His name was Blue. And for the week
before we were.
Going to have our session, he wasn't looking too good.
And we had doubts, obviously, that it would
happen. And I managed to push it forward a
few days.
(17:54):
And the day that we went out, to do our session,
he had this wonderful burst of energy,
which I don't know if you're aware
of this, but some dogs get very excitable just before
they pass. I don't know the scientific name for
it, but it is like a random burst of energy.
But he had the time of his life. And to see an
(18:14):
old dog who had been waddling and very upset
the last few days just come to life in this last
hour and a half before we went to the vet.
I still kind of get teary over.
It now because it's been two years.
And to make that session even
more.
Magical, we're both massive fans of
(18:35):
Marvel. So I edited his
silhouette shot with.
His owner, with the dispersion
edit.
You know, when Thanos clicks his fingers.
And everything fades off.
That's the image edit that I did for it. And it came
together so perfectly because he did fade off,
across Bridge.
>> Dave (18:53):
Well, your client must have just been
thrilled with that result.
>> Jen (18:58):
They cried and then I cried. And
it's happy tears, but I was like, I don't want you crying,
but.
You're making me upset.
>> Tom (19:07):
Jen, if you can, send me the.
Picture and we will put one of.
Them in the episode cover
interview.
>> Dave (19:15):
Oh, great idea. That would be wonderful.
Jen, same question, but
different subject.
What's one of your most memorable personal.
Moments as a disabled
photographer?
>> Jen (19:28):
I would say, actually, it, was.
Kind of an iffy situation, if you
will.
But I was in hive canal one time,
and I was photographing dragonflies that was
on the pond.
And this guy came up to me.
And he was very
snotty.
That's the only way I can really describe it.
(19:50):
He took one look at my fin.
And one look at my camera, and at the time, I had a
D 5300. And, yeah, at
first, he's very rude, honestly, one
of the most rudest people I've ever met, actually.
And then once he saw my
portfolio, I've never seen a guy change
so quick.
And, that really hit home for me. I don't know
(20:11):
why specifically this reason, because I'm normally pretty
bomb proof with my disabilities.
But, yeah, this one really had me. So not
entirely a great memory, but one that's
definitely helped me push forward to where
I am now.
>> Dave (20:26):
There's an old saying that really just
came to mind perfectly with what you
described. It's from the
US Navy SeaLs, and they
just do incredible things all the time.
But the saying is, you can
give up, give in, or
give it all you've got.
>> Jen (20:46):
Yep. You've got to give it all you got.
>> Dave (20:49):
That one is give it all you.
Got is what you're describing. That
is excellent. Jen.
>> Tom (20:56):
Jen, I think the BBC.
You have been with the BBC?
No.
Last week or.
>> Jen (21:02):
Oh, yes, last Friday.
Maybe the Friday before. Yeah, within two
weeks.
Yeah. I got shown on the BBC News.
On, both the radio, social media.
And on the national tv.
So I'm not going to lie.
I've been hiding since then and waiting for it to blow
over.
>> Tom (21:21):
But it came out already.
Yes, it came out on tv. yeah.
>> Jen (21:25):
Yes, it has.
It was shown Friday, the 20
something.
The tv at 630, which is prime time
for tv. I don't understand how I
managed to get such big.
I don't know what you call it. Achievement, if you will.
yeah, it hasn't settled in yet in my head, so. Sorry if I'm
rambling.
>> Dave (21:48):
Yeah.
You're looking at your television screen going, who's
that person?
That looks like me. Yeah, that looks like my
camera.
>> Jen (21:55):
Yeah, everything.
He even got my, little key.
Ring on the side of my camera, which is a lovely touch.
It's a little dog bone, but, yeah, I love it so much.
But not many people pick that out. And he spotted it straight.
I was, ah, well, I am an.
Animal photographer, so of course I've got to have
it.
>> Dave (22:12):
Amazing. Jen, there's one last
question that I'd like to ask you. Just to kind
of, pull things.
Together for today's episode. For
those people who are disabled but
want to get into photography
from your.
Experiences, what is one thing
you'd recommend they should start doing?
(22:34):
One thing they should stop doing
and why?
>> Jen (22:39):
Firstly, you start by starting.
It's okay to, fail. It's okay to mess
up and unfortunately you are going to miss those
awesome shots. And it sucks, but it happens. But
keep going.
I can't remember the name of
the.
Man who said the most legendary quote that your
1st 10,000 photographs are your worst.
(23:00):
And, that is very true, other than the golden tickets every so
often. And the thing I would recommend you.
Don'T do is do not hang
around.
With people that do not respect you
enough.
And I say that lightly because obviously.
Everyone has a different relationship with everyone.
But if they're not pushing you forward and
(23:21):
inspiring you, then do not be.
Around them because you don't want the negativity.
Life is hard as a disabled person.
As it is, and life is hard.
Enough as an artist.
Now, you put them two together.
With a bad support system and
you won't get very far. And it's heartbreaking because
you do have to leave some people behind.
(23:41):
But as I said in the beginning.
Mindset is everything and you need to be surrounding yourself
with people who understand.
>> Dave (23:48):
You just raised an excellent
point.
You talked about support system.
How important is your
support system and what makes it
up?
>> Jen (24:00):
Goodness me, I have the most
fantastic friends. I'm emotional because I love them.
All so much, but I had a very bad
year last year and they.
Completely saved me in so many ways. I
don't know if I'm allowed to say their names, but I'll say their first
names.
But my friend Kate, Jason, Chris,
Kevin.
Anne, and my other disabled friend Natasha.
(24:22):
Who I love dearly, I, would.
Not be in the position I was today if I did
not have them every day in a group chat
cheering.
Us all on, all helping each other.
And they're also the type of people.
That will tell you, no, you've missed
something that's very bad.
So it's a balanced criticism.
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You get all the good stuff and.
You also get the learning
negative, which.
Is better than just obviously negative, as we said
earlier. But, yeah, but I can't fault my
support system.
So get yourself one and love them
because they will do you great things.
>> Dave (25:00):
So your support system, those people
that.
Are behind you, helping
you, motivating you, challenging
you to do better, that support.
System is as important as
your camera gear.
>> Jen (25:15):
To you, they are way more important.
Than my camera gear. I would happily go out
of them any day of the week without any
devices. And I don't know how many people
can say that, that they can tolerate human beings
without technology now. But, yeah, these guys are
really next.
Level and I say I can't thank them enough.
>> Dave (25:36):
Well, that's excellent advice for disabled
photographers and for people who want to get into the
system.
I've had, folks, it's interesting, one
of your stories just triggered a memory
real quick.
I use a four wheel walker
so that I can hold myself upright and move around.
Then I'll sit down in the seat and shoot.
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And I had another photographer
at a rose garden here who
was just. The look on their face
was, disdain.
Is probably too polite a word for it. Like,
what are you doing here? You're taking up space.
yeah.
You've seen that, no doubt. And I
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smiled at him in my
pathetic japanese, which is only a little bit. I told
him, I said, chotamate.
Wait a second.
And I whipped out my phone and I showed
him some portfolio shots that.
I'd prepared in the phone just for
roses and bees. It was macro.
And he looked at it and the
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expression, not only on his face, but
the expression of his personality just
completely changed.
>> Jen (26:46):
Yeah, I could imagine.
So.
I bet he ate his own words.
When he got home.
>> Dave (26:51):
It's amazing.
>> Jen (26:53):
You never judge a book cover.
>> Dave (26:54):
yeah.
The support system is important from your.
Friends, but you've also got to be.
Strong enough to deal with those who don't understand
your physical limitations or
maybe are not respectful of them and
just stay neutral and maybe show them your
work.
Who knows?
>> Jen (27:13):
That is the best thing you can do. Stay neutral, like you
say.
>> Dave (27:16):
Yeah, change people's thinking one mind at
a time.
>> Jen (27:20):
One at a time, too.
>> Dave (27:22):
Yeah, it really does make a difference. And
I've run into that photographer at that same
location about two weeks later, and
he walked up to me with.
A big smile and said,
hello.
And we ended up shooting next to each other for
maybe 20 or 30.
It was really special.
>> Jen (27:41):
Oh, amazing. I'm glad to hear that.
thankfully, haven't met my dude from hive Canal
again.
>> Dave (27:47):
Well, it sounds like you've done some tremendous,
tremendous stuff, Jen, and I,
love your photography. I'm going to have to look up
your BBC show. I'm going on the Internet when we.
>> Jen (27:58):
Get off, I'll send you the link.
>> Dave (28:01):
Oh, excellent. Thank you.
That's a good idea.
Yeah. Can we put that in the show notes, Tom?
>> Tom (28:09):
Yeah, we can put it inside, of course.
>> Dave (28:11):
Oh, that'd be wonderful. Then our guests
can see you as well as hear you on our show.
>> Tom (28:17):
That's great, Jen, I was wondering, you.
Ever give talks in schools, or.
In groups about photography?
>> Jen (28:24):
I haven't done anything for, about a
year and a half because I.
was ill last year.
But yeah, I have done it before and I'm
always happy to answer any questions. So
if anyone wants to message me, feel free because I do love a
chat.
>> Tom (28:39):
Okay, good. We still have to talk about
the tattoo.
When are you going to put the.
Logo from the podcast?
>> Jen (28:48):
have you got the forms? I don't want any
copyright issues.
>> Tom (28:53):
I think Dave and I will sign it.
No problem.
>> Jen (28:55):
Okay, absolutely. You're going to have
to choose a tattoo artist though, that you think will do
your logo the best.
>> Tom (29:02):
I think so. We will discuss it.
>> Jen (29:05):
Okay.
>> Dave (29:07):
I might have to go out and.
Get our show tattoo logo too. I
mean, why not?
>> Jen (29:13):
You might as well.
You love photography and, you got.
Your little headphones to rock it with as well.
>> Dave (29:19):
Little free advertising.
That works well.
>> Jen (29:21):
That would be amazing.
>> Dave (29:23):
Great idea, Jen.
This has really been an
enjoyable conversation and a great
learning experience. Is there anything else
you'd like to add about your
photography, your approach to life?
To our listeners?
>> Jen (29:41):
As a very broad subject, I say.
Just laugh a lot, I guess is.
Probably the best more advice I can give you.
Find some good humor, watch a good tv show.
Just make sure you relax because it's.
Very easy to get into impostor
syndrome, even when starting as a professional,
anywhere.
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In any career, really.
>> Dave (30:03):
Ah.
>> Jen (30:04):
So make sure you look after yourself as
much as you physically and mentally.
>> Dave (30:09):
Wow. Great advice. Great
advice.
Well, we'd like to thank Jen Reed for her time
today, her inspiring
journey.
And her wonderful insights that she shared with
us. Jen, hope to hear more.
I'm looking forward to seeing your
BBC interview, so thank
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you again.
>> Jen (30:31):
I hope you guys have a wonderful day.
>> Tom (30:33):
thanks for talking.
Bye. Wow,
Dave, I love how
joyful she.
Sounds in our interview. I think
it's amazing how people can be so strong
to change their way.
Of living in spite challenges that
life.
Has thrown against them in a way.
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And I love her positive stories.
To hear people like Jen explaining, full.
Of passion, how they just thought one day,
come on, I can do this. Let's give photography
a go.
And she has some amazing pictures and.
I'm sure we will hear a lot.
More about her in all these years to come.
>> Dave (31:11):
I think your word joyful pretty well
sums it up. Energy is
just phenomenal and
there's a drive.
You sense when you're listening to her and
talking with her that there's nothing
that's going to stop her and her photography.
Like you say, anyone who looks at.
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Her portfolio, you're going to be touched.
I mean, she adds the
special sauce.
So to speak, that I think only she can
do like that.
She's an inspiration.
I mean, she makes me think about how
I approach things, and I can do better.
She's the way to do it. Well, listeners
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will leave you with a.
Quote from the renowned disabled
indonesian professional.
Photographer Ahmad Zulkarnian,
born without hands or legs,
who said, I don't let my
limitations limit my steps forward
or limit my dreams.
Thank you so much for listening today. Now pick
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up your camera, get out there and
follow your dreams.
They are way more important than my camera
gear. I would happily go out of them any day of the
week without any devices. And I don't
know how many people can say that, that they can tolerate
human beings without technology now. But yeah, these
guys are really next level and I say I
can't thank them enough.
>> Dave (00:18):
Spanning the globe to bring great photographers
and their experiences directly to
you. It's 08:00 p.m. In Japan,
01:00 p.m. In Spain, and high noon
in our guests home in Folkstone, Kent
in southeast England. That means it's time
for the camera cafe show brought to you by
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photographers.
Tom Jacob and Dave Payne. Hello there,
Tom.
Would you like to welcome our special.
Guests and introduce her to our listeners?
>> Tom (00:46):
Thanks, Dave, and welcome everyone with
us.
Today, an amazing, strong photographer.
I can say in a way that.
She has a physical impairment which would.
Be seen as making life harder
as a photographer, but she went out and.
Made it happen and that alone is.
Just a fantastic story you want to hear, right, Dave?
>> Dave (01:06):
Absolutely.
>> Tom (01:07):
Today we talk with Jen Reid from.
The UK and we will walk together through her
journey. How she unspired her disability,
became a great nature art, and pet photographer,
and hope she can inspire us all. So
welcome to the show today, Jen.
>> Jen (01:24):
Hi there, guys.
Thank you for having me.
>> Dave (01:27):
it's our pleasure. Our pleasure.
Jen, you mentioned in some of your descriptions
that you are, quote, disabled but.
Not unable, close quote.
That really strikes close to home for.
Me because I'm a fellow
disabled photographer as well.
What you've achieved and what you're doing is really
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special. Can you tell us a little bit about
how your disability hasn't stopped you
and how you adapted your approach to photography to
create your incredible images?
>> Jen (02:00):
Well, first, I'm glad I could.
Inspire you as well.
We need to band together as a disabled community
and, push out, obviously, to bigger, communities that we're
still.
Completely able to do everything else.
I don't really know where to start.
With my m animal photography and my disability, though.
It's all the mindset, isn't it?
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If, you have a good mindset, good things will come. But of course,
practice, practice, practice.
>> Dave (02:25):
Tell us, Jen, tell us a little bit,
just a little about your disability and
then how you've
adapted your approach.
You've already got the great
mindset. How did you adapt your approach to.
Photography to get those images of yours?
>> Jen (02:44):
Okay, so I have a disability called
phocomelia which mainly affects my right, arm.
It looks like a trex, arm for those trying to
imagine it. But I call it my lucky fin. My main
adaptions for my camera is one,
finding the professional camera that
has to be small enough to fit my only hand. And then
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secondly, I have a cable.
Tie and some duct tape, which.
I use to get one of my.
Fingers on my fin in so I.
Can change my focal length because I.
Can'T grip the circular focus
plane.
And then I also have an adapter.
Which is basically a blue stick. And I line
the subjects animals,
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plants.
In my frame using the notches on said stick.
So there's four. And if they're very small animals, like a
kingfisher, then that would be on notch one. But if they're bigger like
a lion or tiger, notch two.
And that really helps me.
>> Tom (03:41):
Wow, you got it all figured out, Jen.
There your working process.
>> Jen (03:46):
Yeah, it took me a while to figure it out and
sometimes I still.
struggle finding the animal in the frame.
Not all of them have the one.
Or two notch rules.
Sometimes it can be four. Three or
four.
>> Tom (04:00):
Let's go a bit back now, Jen,
how you decided to become a pet.
And, wildlife photographer?
>> Jen (04:08):
I had a situation arise with my.
Dog and that made me start
photography in general.
And then a few years later, we had our, ah, lockdown
here in the UK and I gave my pets
photography child syndrome, which every time I
pulled up my camera, they were like, please.
Mum, no, no more.
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So I went out and started photographing
the wildlife instead. And now juggled both
very happily.
>> Tom (04:36):
Okay, and what's the situation that
triggered it with your dog?
>> Jen (04:41):
He nearly died.
I won't get into it because trigger warning, of course, but
yeah, it wasn't very pleasant. He thankfully is
very much alive and.
He'S healthy at six and a half years old now.
>> Tom (04:54):
And you started making pictures of him
from being afraid he would die and.
To have pictures of him.
>> Jen (05:01):
Yeah. when he was in the vets.
I had like a flash, basically like
life before your eyes kind of flash.
And I realized that although mobile
phone selfies are, incredible for capturing the
moment, but when you have a situation
like this on your hands and you're trying to find a photo
that really captures the true
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personality of what your.
Pet is, I had nothing that
really.
Spoke to me and that broke my heart. So
my main goal in photography is to capture your
pet's personality to the fullest. So you never
have to go through.
What I went through.
>> Tom (05:40):
It's amazing. Also, I remember you
told us you will do free sessions for
people who.
Have animals in the last moments?
>> Dave (05:49):
No.
>> Jen (05:50):
yes, I do. Free end of life sessions for all
animals, even your turtles and your fish, just to
make sure that you do.
Have that one photo and on
an.
>> Tom (05:59):
Emotional level for you and
people is.
>> Jen (06:04):
A very touching subject.
I've had mixed opinions on
why I do this.
It, is very emotional on my.
Behalf as much as owners.
But that sadness and heartbreak does
eventually.
Turn into just pure magical
love when.
They see the final result. I've had people wanting
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the photos within.
The week, and I've had other people.
That haven't wanted to see them for about a year.
It all depends on, of course,
where.
You stand in the emotional range.
But I am there for you, however long
it will take.
>> Dave (06:40):
Jen, a question real quick, just so that
our listeners are clear. You're doing wildlife
photography and also people's
pet photography, correct?
Yep. And I also do work in dogs as
busy, busy.
>> Jen (06:55):
Wow.
>> Tom (06:56):
Dave, I think it's the right person to ask. Maybe.
Jen, give me two or
three tips.
How I can make the best pictures from my dogs.
They never sit still.
>> Jen (07:07):
Okay.
So first, I would say if they're
food orientated, use their dinner.
A simple sit and stay.
You only need four to 5 seconds.
Minimum to get their attention. So, yeah, if they're
food orientated, use.
Their food next to your camera, and.
As soon as they look over, there's your photo. If they're
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toy orientated, same thing, but
you have to learn as well. The second tip I'd give
you is.
When and when not to use food.
Or toys because too much preys will.
Bore them and get them uninterested and.
Not enough will also do the same thing.
And my second tip, my third tip. Sorry,
would be eye level.
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If you can get eye level on.
Any animal that brings an
extra connection.
To the viewer of your photo, saying.
Eye level is 100% must go to.
But as a great starting point, always.
Try to get eye level. And if you have a chihuahua, then
unfortunately you're going to have to go on the ground.
>> Tom (08:09):
Yes. Well, the thing I started with their.
>> Dave (08:11):
Pet is a snake.
>> Jen (08:13):
Oh. Snakes are very cool to photo.
I have a very strict rule with my business that I
will not bring a snake out or any
animal that involves a tank does not leave a tank.
And like a snake that require a lot of heat, they
do not come.
Out of said heat source because it's very dangerous
for them. Those snakes. Yeah.
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Ah, 50 50, you can get them.
On a good day.
But if you find someone especially
that.
Has, I'd say trained it. Trained a snake.
Some snakes only come out because they only
feed them. So every time there's food
around, they.
Can quite get quite snappy,
if that's.
The right word to do it. So if you find someone
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that has a snake that is really good with being
handled, you can get some fantastic.
Shots just in their bavarium.
I think that's the correct word for.
>> Tom (09:06):
You do.
Well, this will be studio shots.
But if you do with the dogs Jen, you do outdoor shoots
or you.
Do them in a makeshift studio.
>> Jen (09:15):
I don't personally have my own studio. I
make a makeshift one, either at their house
or at my house with my own pets of course.
But yes, I would very much prefer them to be
outside living their best life, sniffing all the
leaves.
>> Tom (09:30):
These pictures I can make with mine.
I have the problem with. If I put them in a
studio, they will just never. I can do them one
by one.
But all the three together is very difficult.
>> Jen (09:42):
Yeah, I can imagine.
>> Tom (09:47):
Jen, let's go a bit to your wildlife.
Know, it gets obvious the more
photographers.
Dave and I interview, they
all walk.
From starting out in wildlife
photography and.
They end up in nature
conservation.
Is that also the case for you, Jen?
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Are you active in it?
>> Jen (10:09):
yes, I was active in it before I became a
photographer anyway. But now I am a photographer and
I have a deeper respect for individual.
Species on this planet.
I am very much active in it. I'm
in support of and donate to quite a
few charities, the RSPB,
the Royal Society of Birds in the UK.
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I'm part of Kent Wildlife Trust.
I'm also part of. And then I have
memberships to my local wildlife
conservation parks like the Aspinal foundation
who are in Portland Zoo and Howlettz
Wildlife park.
They are a key breeding
partner for.
Endangered species and they also release them into the
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wild.
>> Tom (10:52):
Your main place is to go
shooting animals photography? I
mean, of course it's in your backyard,
in your town, or you.
Go also out to zoos or
wildlife places.
>> Jen (11:07):
Ah, I normally go to one of the wildlife
parks with my friends every Saturday. We
try to as best as we can and sometimes during
the week if I have a free day. But
usually I'm in either hive
canal, which is about a 20 minutes bus journey from my
town, or I'm in Kirsney Abbey, which
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is Dover, the other.
Side of my town.
If I'm not outside then yeah, I'm in
focusing, catching up on the local.
Parks and the beach.
>> Tom (11:36):
And what's your favorite animal, Jen?
>> Jen (11:39):
My favourite animal as a whole will.
Always be a wolf. I'm, not particularly
picky on the.
Species of wolf, but wolves in general.
My favorite animal that I've personally
photographed.
So far, would be my kingfisher.
>> Tom (11:54):
What I find amazing is that
you.
Show people that, because most people will say that
you have to go to.
Nature to make the pictures, but
sometimes.
It's impossible to go or we don't have these animals.
So you have to go to a wildlife place
where you go and you make incredible pictures there and
you show.
The people that even you can go there, you can watch them there and you
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can make good photography. I like it very much, Jen,
this aspect.
>> Jen (12:20):
Thank you. it can be quite a challenge
at the zoo to get a photo.
Of the animals that don't look like they're in a
zoo.
Credit to the designers of their enclosures.
Really, I have to say for that.
But, yes, definitely possible. But it adds that extra challenge
to it.
So it's good to see an animal in their natural
environment, even though it's.
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Kind of not their natural environment, if.
That kind of makes sense.
>> Tom (12:46):
Yeah, no, I understand.
What equipment are you using now, Jen?
>> Jen (12:49):
I currently have a Nikon Z six.
And my sigma 150 to 600
mil rarely ever leaves my camera.
But I also have the Nikon 70 to
200, 2.8.
>> Dave (13:02):
Okay.
>> Tom (13:02):
And your most used is the 150 to
600. And you ever
bought something that you say?
I, wish I haven't bought it.
>> Jen (13:12):
And I'd like to say my tripod.
Because I have a really love hate relationship with it.
But, yeah, flash gun and tripod, I.
Wish I didn't invest in because I.
Work outside a lot and the
tripod.
Is solely because of, ah, my one arm. I have too
much freedom, just holding a camera. But when you add a
tripod to.
It, it's like 6ft of
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weight.
>> Dave (13:35):
Jen, question for you.
I was thinking about our last conversation when we were
getting to know each other. And then again, in this one,
you try to capture in your pet
photography, you try to capture the pet's
personality. How do you do that? Do
you go to visit them and.
Get familiar with them like a day.
Before the actual shoot? Or how do
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you work to bring.
Out their personality and capture it?
>> Jen (14:02):
First things I, do is every.
Single potential client I have has to
fill out a questionnaire.
And that questionnaire, gives me the basic information
of their animal. So obviously what animal it is, what
gender? Depending on the gender. Are they
newton or spayed solely if we're in a busy area
or not. So I know to keep an eye out. If they're in season,
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they are not being photographed until after. And then
I have more in depth questions, like, if they have any
disabilities.
If they've got a hip dysplasia, they've.
Three legged, et cetera, blind, deaf. And
then there's a little section at.
The bottom where I find out what.
Their fun words are, where they love.
To be, what part of the day do they think
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that is the best?
Which one of the family members do.
They love the most?
Although you'd love to think that dogs love everyone,
there's always one individual person.
Isn'T there, that they love more?
And then going by that questionnaire, then, yeah, if
they are very nervous around.
New people, then, I will actively meet
them beforehand so they're comfortable with
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me.
And then I never ask anything of any pets
until at the end of our session, because then they're fully
comfortable. They're tired because they've sniffed
leaves and stuff. And then everything ends in lots
of treats, toys, all the good stuff that you could ask for,
or nothing at.
All, if that's the type of personality.
>> Dave (15:26):
That's amazing. You've really got this
figured out. Do you do
pet portraits with the owner in
the shot?
>> Jen (15:36):
Yes, they ask me for it.
>> Dave (15:38):
Does that make.
>> Jen (15:40):
Wow.
>> Dave (15:40):
it's hard enough doing good portrait photography
of a single person standing there or posing.
What's it like? It's like shooting two portraits at one
time.
>> Jen (15:50):
Yeah. It can be quite challenging because now I have
to take into consideration the wind with their hair, especially
if long.
Hair, make sure they don't blink.
Sometimes, though, I have people that really do not want
a portrait with their dogs.
so what I do instead is.
I get a close up of their.
Dog'S eye with their reflection in their dog's
eye.
>> Dave (16:09):
Oh, great solution.
>> Jen (16:11):
Yeah. That is a lovely
touch.
>> Dave (16:15):
It's fascinating.
I never would have thought there was.
So much to do it.
You think of pets and they're around, you play
with them, they play with.
You, you feed them, they snuggle
up.
And fall asleep on you. End of story. But you've really
got this figured out extremely well.
Yeah.
>> Jen (16:32):
It's all about catching, the moments of love when
you add a person.
Into the picture with their dog, because
anyone can sit, and I do love.
Those photos as well. But that moment where they turn around and
smile at them, and then the dog's looking at them with
the utmost devotion, those moments come
naturally, and you've.
Just got to be there, ready and waiting.
>> Dave (16:54):
Boy, that leads to
a wonderful question.
Could you share with our listeners two.
Or maybe three of the most memorable.
Personal moments you've
experienced in, shooting pets.
And as a disabled photographer,
I would.
>> Jen (17:13):
Say this is kind of pets.
I photographed a pet cemetery
once, so.
That was an extremely emotional and
rememberable experience. So, of course, they're not obviously alive.
At this point, but to be in
such a sacred area was
definitely one of the top ones up there,
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I'd.
Say another rememberable experience. My
friend's staffy, bless his heart, had to
be put to sleep.
His name was Blue. And for the week
before we were.
Going to have our session, he wasn't looking too good.
And we had doubts, obviously, that it would
happen. And I managed to push it forward a
few days.
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And the day that we went out, to do our session,
he had this wonderful burst of energy,
which I don't know if you're aware
of this, but some dogs get very excitable just before
they pass. I don't know the scientific name for
it, but it is like a random burst of energy.
But he had the time of his life. And to see an
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old dog who had been waddling and very upset
the last few days just come to life in this last
hour and a half before we went to the vet.
I still kind of get teary over.
It now because it's been two years.
And to make that session even
more.
Magical, we're both massive fans of
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Marvel. So I edited his
silhouette shot with.
His owner, with the dispersion
edit.
You know, when Thanos clicks his fingers.
And everything fades off.
That's the image edit that I did for it. And it came
together so perfectly because he did fade off,
across Bridge.
>> Dave (18:53):
Well, your client must have just been
thrilled with that result.
>> Jen (18:58):
They cried and then I cried. And
it's happy tears, but I was like, I don't want you crying,
but.
You're making me upset.
>> Tom (19:07):
Jen, if you can, send me the.
Picture and we will put one of.
Them in the episode cover
interview.
>> Dave (19:15):
Oh, great idea. That would be wonderful.
Jen, same question, but
different subject.
What's one of your most memorable personal.
Moments as a disabled
photographer?
>> Jen (19:28):
I would say, actually, it, was.
Kind of an iffy situation, if you
will.
But I was in hive canal one time,
and I was photographing dragonflies that was
on the pond.
And this guy came up to me.
And he was very
snotty.
That's the only way I can really describe it.
(19:50):
He took one look at my fin.
And one look at my camera, and at the time, I had a
D 5300. And, yeah, at
first, he's very rude, honestly, one
of the most rudest people I've ever met, actually.
And then once he saw my
portfolio, I've never seen a guy change
so quick.
And, that really hit home for me. I don't know
(20:11):
why specifically this reason, because I'm normally pretty
bomb proof with my disabilities.
But, yeah, this one really had me. So not
entirely a great memory, but one that's
definitely helped me push forward to where
I am now.
>> Dave (20:26):
There's an old saying that really just
came to mind perfectly with what you
described. It's from the
US Navy SeaLs, and they
just do incredible things all the time.
But the saying is, you can
give up, give in, or
give it all you've got.
>> Jen (20:46):
Yep. You've got to give it all you got.
>> Dave (20:49):
That one is give it all you.
Got is what you're describing. That
is excellent. Jen.
>> Tom (20:56):
Jen, I think the BBC.
You have been with the BBC?
No.
Last week or.
>> Jen (21:02):
Oh, yes, last Friday.
Maybe the Friday before. Yeah, within two
weeks.
Yeah. I got shown on the BBC News.
On, both the radio, social media.
And on the national tv.
So I'm not going to lie.
I've been hiding since then and waiting for it to blow
over.
>> Tom (21:21):
But it came out already.
Yes, it came out on tv. yeah.
>> Jen (21:25):
Yes, it has.
It was shown Friday, the 20
something.
The tv at 630, which is prime time
for tv. I don't understand how I
managed to get such big.
I don't know what you call it. Achievement, if you will.
yeah, it hasn't settled in yet in my head, so. Sorry if I'm
rambling.
>> Dave (21:48):
Yeah.
You're looking at your television screen going, who's
that person?
That looks like me. Yeah, that looks like my
camera.
>> Jen (21:55):
Yeah, everything.
He even got my, little key.
Ring on the side of my camera, which is a lovely touch.
It's a little dog bone, but, yeah, I love it so much.
But not many people pick that out. And he spotted it straight.
I was, ah, well, I am an.
Animal photographer, so of course I've got to have
it.
>> Dave (22:12):
Amazing. Jen, there's one last
question that I'd like to ask you. Just to kind
of, pull things.
Together for today's episode. For
those people who are disabled but
want to get into photography
from your.
Experiences, what is one thing
you'd recommend they should start doing?
(22:34):
One thing they should stop doing
and why?
>> Jen (22:39):
Firstly, you start by starting.
It's okay to, fail. It's okay to mess
up and unfortunately you are going to miss those
awesome shots. And it sucks, but it happens. But
keep going.
I can't remember the name of
the.
Man who said the most legendary quote that your
1st 10,000 photographs are your worst.
(23:00):
And, that is very true, other than the golden tickets every so
often. And the thing I would recommend you.
Don'T do is do not hang
around.
With people that do not respect you
enough.
And I say that lightly because obviously.
Everyone has a different relationship with everyone.
But if they're not pushing you forward and
(23:21):
inspiring you, then do not be.
Around them because you don't want the negativity.
Life is hard as a disabled person.
As it is, and life is hard.
Enough as an artist.
Now, you put them two together.
With a bad support system and
you won't get very far. And it's heartbreaking because
you do have to leave some people behind.
(23:41):
But as I said in the beginning.
Mindset is everything and you need to be surrounding yourself
with people who understand.
>> Dave (23:48):
You just raised an excellent
point.
You talked about support system.
How important is your
support system and what makes it
up?
>> Jen (24:00):
Goodness me, I have the most
fantastic friends. I'm emotional because I love them.
All so much, but I had a very bad
year last year and they.
Completely saved me in so many ways. I
don't know if I'm allowed to say their names, but I'll say their first
names.
But my friend Kate, Jason, Chris,
Kevin.
Anne, and my other disabled friend Natasha.
(24:22):
Who I love dearly, I, would.
Not be in the position I was today if I did
not have them every day in a group chat
cheering.
Us all on, all helping each other.
And they're also the type of people.
That will tell you, no, you've missed
something that's very bad.
So it's a balanced criticism.
(24:43):
You get all the good stuff and.
You also get the learning
negative, which.
Is better than just obviously negative, as we said
earlier. But, yeah, but I can't fault my
support system.
So get yourself one and love them
because they will do you great things.
>> Dave (25:00):
So your support system, those people
that.
Are behind you, helping
you, motivating you, challenging
you to do better, that support.
System is as important as
your camera gear.
>> Jen (25:15):
To you, they are way more important.
Than my camera gear. I would happily go out
of them any day of the week without any
devices. And I don't know how many people
can say that, that they can tolerate human beings
without technology now. But, yeah, these guys are
really next.
Level and I say I can't thank them enough.
>> Dave (25:36):
Well, that's excellent advice for disabled
photographers and for people who want to get into the
system.
I've had, folks, it's interesting, one
of your stories just triggered a memory
real quick.
I use a four wheel walker
so that I can hold myself upright and move around.
Then I'll sit down in the seat and shoot.
(25:58):
And I had another photographer
at a rose garden here who
was just. The look on their face
was, disdain.
Is probably too polite a word for it. Like,
what are you doing here? You're taking up space.
yeah.
You've seen that, no doubt. And I
(26:18):
smiled at him in my
pathetic japanese, which is only a little bit. I told
him, I said, chotamate.
Wait a second.
And I whipped out my phone and I showed
him some portfolio shots that.
I'd prepared in the phone just for
roses and bees. It was macro.
And he looked at it and the
(26:39):
expression, not only on his face, but
the expression of his personality just
completely changed.
>> Jen (26:46):
Yeah, I could imagine.
So.
I bet he ate his own words.
When he got home.
>> Dave (26:51):
It's amazing.
>> Jen (26:53):
You never judge a book cover.
>> Dave (26:54):
yeah.
The support system is important from your.
Friends, but you've also got to be.
Strong enough to deal with those who don't understand
your physical limitations or
maybe are not respectful of them and
just stay neutral and maybe show them your
work.
Who knows?
>> Jen (27:13):
That is the best thing you can do. Stay neutral, like you
say.
>> Dave (27:16):
Yeah, change people's thinking one mind at
a time.
>> Jen (27:20):
One at a time, too.
>> Dave (27:22):
Yeah, it really does make a difference. And
I've run into that photographer at that same
location about two weeks later, and
he walked up to me with.
A big smile and said,
hello.
And we ended up shooting next to each other for
maybe 20 or 30.
It was really special.
>> Jen (27:41):
Oh, amazing. I'm glad to hear that.
thankfully, haven't met my dude from hive Canal
again.
>> Dave (27:47):
Well, it sounds like you've done some tremendous,
tremendous stuff, Jen, and I,
love your photography. I'm going to have to look up
your BBC show. I'm going on the Internet when we.
>> Jen (27:58):
Get off, I'll send you the link.
>> Dave (28:01):
Oh, excellent. Thank you.
That's a good idea.
Yeah. Can we put that in the show notes, Tom?
>> Tom (28:09):
Yeah, we can put it inside, of course.
>> Dave (28:11):
Oh, that'd be wonderful. Then our guests
can see you as well as hear you on our show.
>> Tom (28:17):
That's great, Jen, I was wondering, you.
Ever give talks in schools, or.
In groups about photography?
>> Jen (28:24):
I haven't done anything for, about a
year and a half because I.
was ill last year.
But yeah, I have done it before and I'm
always happy to answer any questions. So
if anyone wants to message me, feel free because I do love a
chat.
>> Tom (28:39):
Okay, good. We still have to talk about
the tattoo.
When are you going to put the.
Logo from the podcast?
>> Jen (28:48):
have you got the forms? I don't want any
copyright issues.
>> Tom (28:53):
I think Dave and I will sign it.
No problem.
>> Jen (28:55):
Okay, absolutely. You're going to have
to choose a tattoo artist though, that you think will do
your logo the best.
>> Tom (29:02):
I think so. We will discuss it.
>> Jen (29:05):
Okay.
>> Dave (29:07):
I might have to go out and.
Get our show tattoo logo too. I
mean, why not?
>> Jen (29:13):
You might as well.
You love photography and, you got.
Your little headphones to rock it with as well.
>> Dave (29:19):
Little free advertising.
That works well.
>> Jen (29:21):
That would be amazing.
>> Dave (29:23):
Great idea, Jen.
This has really been an
enjoyable conversation and a great
learning experience. Is there anything else
you'd like to add about your
photography, your approach to life?
To our listeners?
>> Jen (29:41):
As a very broad subject, I say.
Just laugh a lot, I guess is.
Probably the best more advice I can give you.
Find some good humor, watch a good tv show.
Just make sure you relax because it's.
Very easy to get into impostor
syndrome, even when starting as a professional,
anywhere.
(30:01):
In any career, really.
>> Dave (30:03):
Ah.
>> Jen (30:04):
So make sure you look after yourself as
much as you physically and mentally.
>> Dave (30:09):
Wow. Great advice. Great
advice.
Well, we'd like to thank Jen Reed for her time
today, her inspiring
journey.
And her wonderful insights that she shared with
us. Jen, hope to hear more.
I'm looking forward to seeing your
BBC interview, so thank
(30:30):
you again.
>> Jen (30:31):
I hope you guys have a wonderful day.
>> Tom (30:33):
thanks for talking.
Bye. Wow,
Dave, I love how
joyful she.
Sounds in our interview. I think
it's amazing how people can be so strong
to change their way.
Of living in spite challenges that
life.
Has thrown against them in a way.
(30:54):
And I love her positive stories.
To hear people like Jen explaining, full.
Of passion, how they just thought one day,
come on, I can do this. Let's give photography
a go.
And she has some amazing pictures and.
I'm sure we will hear a lot.
More about her in all these years to come.
>> Dave (31:11):
I think your word joyful pretty well
sums it up. Energy is
just phenomenal and
there's a drive.
You sense when you're listening to her and
talking with her that there's nothing
that's going to stop her and her photography.
Like you say, anyone who looks at.
(31:32):
Her portfolio, you're going to be touched.
I mean, she adds the
special sauce.
So to speak, that I think only she can
do like that.
She's an inspiration.
I mean, she makes me think about how
I approach things, and I can do better.
She's the way to do it. Well, listeners
(31:53):
will leave you with a.
Quote from the renowned disabled
indonesian professional.
Photographer Ahmad Zulkarnian,
born without hands or legs,
who said, I don't let my
limitations limit my steps forward
or limit my dreams.
Thank you so much for listening today. Now pick
(32:15):
up your camera, get out there and
follow your dreams.
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