Episode 120 - Wilbur Wants to Kill Himself (2002) - The Culture Swally

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Hello and welcome to the Culture Swally, a podcast dedicated to Scottish news and pop culture.
My name is Nicky and I'm joined as always by the man who is currently reading
the joy of pickling and now knows a lot about preserves. It's Greg! How are you today, buddy?
Yeah, very well. Very well. I just enjoyed a can of American cream soda before we started

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recording. I just like a can of cream. Cheeky. Cheeky. I've actually got, well, I've got
big honey, lemon and ginger drink because I'm still a bit under the weather. But I thought I'd
be a bit cheeky maybe later and I do have a can of Dr Pepper with me. So yeah, I thought it's
a big Dr Pepper to root beer fan. Does that kind of confectionery corner for this week or it's my

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soft drink? Soft drink sessions. Yeah. Well, I had a couple of, I've not really been
caning it for the last quite a while. I think it's been a while since I've had a bit too much
to drink. I would outlast night for a workstool and I only had four or five pints of like IPA. But

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when I came home because I guess because I'm a bit out of practice, I was a bit, I was a bit
pished when I came in. When I first woke up this morning, I felt like I'd had a drink and of
course I thought to myself, it's fine. I'll have a couple of bottles of beer and I'm doing the
podcast and that'll straighten me out. But then I thought, come on, you're better than that,
Greg. So I had a can of American cream soda instead. But yeah, I thought I'd spot a bunch just

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before, just before I joined you in Zoom. Yeah, you're better than that, Greg. Yeah, I have a
nice little cream soda that'll sort you right out. Yeah, it's all good. I know it's glad that I got
you here because obviously it's a minute on it issues this morning. Okay, well, solved. Yes, the whole
of, yeah, technology hasn't been my friend today, the whole of Dubai, for one of the, there's only

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like two providers in Dubai, but one of them, unfortunately, the one that I use went out all across Dubai
for about 45 minutes maybe an hour today, which was annoying. So I was in the middle of watching
something on the tele when I went off, but anyway, it's back on now. Hopefully we'll get through
a recording without any, any issues. Fingers crossed. I'm sure it'll be fine. I'm sure it'll be all fine,

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we'll let it be able to record with ease. And you're, you're, you're, take, you're being a brave
little soldier today as well, aren't you? Because you're not very well and yet you're still, you're still
the podcast must be recorded, even if you can only hear it one year. Okay, you don't, well,
left here. It's been like that for over a week now. So, yeah, the last episode I was
full of the cold. And then I think that turned into an even fiction. I was okay for a couple of days,

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that I felt like the cold was going. And it was good because our mutual friend was here for a night.
And I was okay for that. And then it was literally like the day after I blew my nose and both my
ears popped. And one of them was fine. And then the other one, I haven't been able to hear out of it
since. And when I went to bed that night, it was the worst pain I think I've ever had. And for

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the next, I'd say five days I was having to, I was double-dunting Paracetamol and I'd
reprofen every four hours just because of if I missed that four hour window, the pain would start
and then I'd be an agony for about half an hour. So, and I was waking up in the middle of the night
with it and stuff. But thankfully the pain's gone, but my ears still blocked. So I'm hoping

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that's progress and it's going to pop all of a sudden. So let's just see how that goes. But yes,
I am being a brave little soldier, Greg. The podcast must come first, of course. We need to let
our listeners know about the shite that's been happening in Scotland over the last couple of weeks.
Absolutely. And on that note, purely jingle.
Hello, this is the Outdoor Heavilys Broadcasting Corporation. And here is what's been going on

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Hey, Nanyu. Oh, okay, Greg, what have you seen that you'd like to share with me and our lovely
listeners? Well, my first story will appeal to you as a big wrestling fan that comes from Glasgow
live on the 1st of February, just over the last week because this is the, today is the 8th of February.
And the headlight means professional Glasgow wrestler to convert church, sorry, to convert

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chapel into church of wrestling with inventive plans. So this is David McCallum, not the guy from
the man from Uncle RIP, but another David McCallum 31, better known as Ravie Davie.
Oh, I know Ravie Davie. I know Ravie Davie. I'm very familiar with these work. He's
wrestled across Europe during a 10-year career and he now plans to convert a Lenthouse Church

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into a dedicated venue for his Glasgow School of Wrestling. So Ravie Davie, we will have
Ravie Davie rather in his partner, George Ernest, but I've now purchased Lenthouse Church
on Skipness Drive as a base for the school, as well as a permanent venue for shows with Ravie
dubbing it a church of wrestling. Both were, both were born on the adjacent Kennedar Drive and hope

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to complete the renovation and have the school moved into the building by match the 1st. David says
the church is in good condition, but in need of some alterations, including youth loading,
toilets, chairs and security measures like cameras as well as new signs and gym equipment.
The building was most recently used as a gym. David found wrestling
following the tragic death of his mother by suicide when he was just 6 years old. He said,

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"I saw a wrestling on a tally and it was the only thing that I could watch and it wouldn't
make me think of my mother and cry." My Nana noticed that, which has been all her money on wrestling to
try and keep me sane by me wrestling figures and wrestling toys and I had sky so I could watch
all the wrestling shows from the W.E. Be allowed to stay off school in Monday morning so I could stay
up and watch the pay per views on Sunday night while David described him as his upbringing

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in the trouble, saying he was in and out of secured units and police stations. He added,
"But when my Nana passed away, I wanted to screw my head and get out of trouble. I saw a
documentary on wrestling and I thought, 'I could do that and that it would probably make my Nana proud' as well.'
And it turned out, I was actually quite good at it. David embarked on a decade-long wrestling career
performing across the UK and Europe. They said opening the gym,

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wrestling's opening the dedicated wrestling school and venue right next to the street he grew up on
as a dream come true. He describes wrestling in the back gardens of Canada, of Canada,
drive on old, smelly mattresses and I think this is a full circle moment. The church was previously
being used as a gym before I went out of business in November. David and George are fundraising the

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renovation with more than £1200 donated to the effort in just the first 21 hours and there's a link
to the GoFundMe page. Maybe we'll share it on our ex from the known Twitter if anybody wants to
give David a bit of a bung for his church of wrestling, but you go and train there, you love wrestling,
don't you? I do, I fucking love wrestling. Yeah, I absolutely love it. I spent last Sunday. It was

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the Royal Rumble last Saturday night. So my girlfriend had just come back from a week away and she just
got back into the house and I was like, 'Right, do you mind if I watch the Royal Rumble?'
Face the later, 'Watch the Royal Rumble'. Just the women's in the men's, I didn't watch any of the
matches in between, but yeah, but it was great. I mean, it was great and I think it's a big thing. In

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fact, the Royal Rumble, there was in the women's, there was one Scottish female,
and in the men's, is that Ralford and says, 'Nice paper, never?' No, no, it's not. No,
it's Eilerdon, is Eilerdon, and it's nice. Yeah, she wasn't in it for some reason. And in the men's,
there was two Scots. It was Joel Hendry, who is current TNA World Champion and Drew McIntyre, of

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course. So, you know, there's a big Scottish contingent in wrestling and I think this is a great idea.
Obviously, to say I am a big fan and I do follow some of the Scottish stuff, so I know like the
ICW was a huge, I am a few years ago and that's kind of where Grado kind of came through. Yeah,
and I think Grado was probably the last, well, no, it seems the last big, you know, he was a celebrity,

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but still is in Scotland in terms of wrestling, but it's nice to see stuff like this. Like, I know
the comedian Mark Dallas that we follow on an Instagram, he's involved in the brand as well. So,
I think this is a great thing, and it kind of harps back to maybe the old of, you know, it's an old
trope, I suppose, you know, kids getting into trouble, you know, come a boxing gym. We know

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you can be like, let's get into some spandex and yeah, nice seam tune and you can pretend to do
pile drivers on your mates. I saw Mark Dallas posted a picture of himself getting a big boot in
the face off Drew McIntyre back in the ICW days, and he's Instagram the other day. And I saw Drew
McIntyre was getting a bit of a roasting online because he films himself walking out of the tunnel

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at Eyebrox, and he sort of, he was kind of, sort of talking about, you know, like if this was the,
if I was walking out to something the best as my wrestling tune, I would, I would come out of the
chorus, you know what, I mean, I wouldn't come out in the verse because it's like maximum impact,
and so somebody commented, "Hon down you going, I knew Drew McIntyre 20 years ago, when did

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he start talking like Gerald Butler?" Oh come on, to be fair, he's lived in the states since he was
like about 17 or something, so I would think that, and I think his well, a big part of it comes from,
if he's talking on TV every week, he can't talk in like a thick air accent, he has to maybe slightly

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pronounce, so if you're doing that and you're doing promos all day as rehearsals and stuff, it's
going to affect your accent a bit, you're going to go into it a little bit. Well, as a, as a glass
region who has spent the last 10 years living overseas, having to make himself understood, I can understand,
yeah, you know, I'll bet when he's back at air, when he's back in air, he's saying like, "Jai" and

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you know, that kind of stuff, you know, since he's back with his family. Yeah, because I did think that,
because I was like, "Well, what's going to buy it, Christmas?" And, but speaking to my sister,
and brother-in-law about podcasts, and well, he was like, "Oh, yeah, I've listened to a few episodes."
Yeah, you do your posh voice, and I was like, "Do I?" And I was like, "I suppose maybe I do,
but then I'm the same as you, but an ex-part of 17 years." Yeah. I think my accent, I don't know if

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it has changed, but it certainly doesn't, if I'm speaking, yeah, I bet, I speak to you probably quite
differently when just before we've started recording, from when we do start recording, but it's more
because we are, have lots of international listeners, so need to pronounce properly to our listeners.
I'm never quite prepared for how broad your brother-in-law and your sister are when I see them,

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when they're together, you know, they come sure. I'm sure when they're, when they're navigating to buy,
it's probably reigned in, they would, uh, not use that accent, but, you know, it's like,
when you know it here, like, a broad accent, like from anywhere, it doesn't matter where it's from,
but you know it here, a broad accent for a while. It's always a wee bit jarring for the first

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minute or two, like, whenever I'm back in Glasgow, and I'll hear like one of the ground staff
or something, say, "Tick me a finish pal!" You know, like, "Oh, fucking hell."
It's always a wee bit jarring, but, Wilco, I do like- Well, it's very much like when we were in
Brussels and we heard those guys' accent, you just, like, you feel so out of place, you're like, "What?"

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Yeah, I know, I mean, I know. Brodest, broadest, wee-d-accent, as well.
As well, like, waiting, waiting to cross the road in Brussels, like, holy fuck.
Yeah, it's always lovely when you hear that accent abroad, but yeah, it's very nice.
It's amazing, I hope Ruby TV does well in the rest of the school,

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like, it's a really good initiative as well, I think. If it's going to be, was it kids five and
up? It's good. It gives us a nice outlet, and it gives kids a chance to do something, you know,
performative, but also active, as well, if you know what I mean, because it does take a
tremendous amount of energy and physical, you know, physical wellbeing to perform wrestling,

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those kinds of cutting promos and talking and stuff is, yeah, I think that does, well, you know,
like, presentation skills, for example, if they want to do later in life. Yeah, definitely.
No, I think that's a great thing, as long as they don't get injured or anything,
and they don't get on the gear, don't get on the steroids, my boys. But other than that, you know,

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I'm sure of it, I'm sure. I'm sure Ruby TV will be making sure that, let's say, there's no,
there's no web, but no edge, but they call it any jussin going on in the jansons, the trucks are
there. I had to, you know, occasionally I will watch, it'll just pop up on my feet, because I do
watch a lot of barrenistan clips, and it, I was watching something else unrelated, and then the video

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on the side was the turn to the drugs, and I had to just sit and watch the whole thing, because it's
so fucking cute, the drugs, it's such a simple premise, but it's just absolutely fucking bonkers.
It's something to crisp. Sweet on your mami's grave. Sweet on the virgin Mary. Sweet on the

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virgin Mary's mami's grave. I think we mentioned that a few weeks ago, when we were recording, but
the sketch that I've watched a few times, it just keeps popping up in my social feeds as well,
is the one where the boy goes round for his girlfriend, the mad uncles and all that.
Well, mad uncles, yeah, but the bit that really makes me laugh is when he's reading the

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review of the film and he's like, "Russell Brand, oh beast!"
Oh, geez, yeah, well, I have to do barrenistan's units, I'm pretty definitely.
Yeah, it's criminal that we've not.
Anyway, that was my first news story this week. What have you found going on?

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This is something that troubles me nowadays, Greg, and I think you've been juped by it in the past,
and I've been juped by it, and I'm going to be your friend's been juped by it, we've sent something,
and it is the craze of AI-generated film posters or trailers.
Yes.
Are being promoted on Facebook and you're like, "Oh wow, they're making this," and turns out not to be true.

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Now, I know that someone was juped by this because I was on the Aberdeen football forum,
and there's a little entertainment section in terms of films and stuff, and someone posted this,
and when, "Oh my god, I cannot wait for this." Now, I know the gentleman in question, he's in his
late 50s or early 60s, so he was obviously juped. But yeah, this is a trend that is coming up,

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so this is from the Scottish Sun last week, and the headline is, "Never fake our freedom."
Braveheart fans have been juped into believing a sequel will hit cinemas this year,
after a fake trailer racked up almost a million views on YouTube. The AI-generated clip shows Oscar
winner Mel Gibson returning as Malcom Wallace, the son of executed Freedom Fighter, William.

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Hoaxers are raking in Pay Per View Cash with claims Mel, 69, who portrayed the legendary
Scott in the 1995 blockbuster, will make a brief but poignant cameo in Braveheart 2.
The teasers, created using original footage and deep-fake trickery, also depict Paisley Bourne,
Hollywood Gerard Butler, as James Black Douglas, a knight who fought alongside Robert the Bruce

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at Barric Burn. It's claimed the sequel is set 20 years after Wallace's 1305 execution
and follows Bruce in his quest to reunite Scotland. There are dozens of other clickbait traps that
have been viewed more than 800,000 times. YouTubers can expect it around between £2.50 and £4.10
per thousand views they receive crack. One money-spilling trailer even mentions

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paramount pictures and claims a stellar cast will include Michael Fassbender and Robert Patterson.
A very small pint section at the end adds, "This has been created solely for artistic and
entertainment purposes." But many movie fans believed it was real, with a number asking for the release
date. One excited user wrote, "This is going to be a great movie. This trailer is incredible!"

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One channel posting the clips has almost 500,000 subscribers and around 500 videos.
Film industry expert Lachlan Grant said, "The trailer is as fake as Mel Gibson's Scottish accent."
It exploits our nostalgia while offering nothing of substance. They reduce cinematic
legacies to algorithm-driven cash grabs, wrecking up millions of views, and earning content creators

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thousands in ad revenue. Don't be fooled or believe everything you see. We have another professor,
Morella Lapita at the School of Informatics in Edinburgh, who said, "Some of these trailers are
terrible, but similarly good. On one hand, it's a good test of AI technology and fans can get a kick
out of this." But if you think about the ethical implications, Mel Gibson did not agree to be in this

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trailer. Mel Gibson was asked for a comment. So, with this guy posted Braveheart 2 coming out, and I was
like, "How the fuck do you think that's going to work?" Like, "How? Did you see the end of Braveheart?
I didn't realise until I read the article that it's meant to be his son, but still Braveheart 2.
I might mind you, they did gladier too, so, you know, which was a bit of a bomb, I think, by all

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a lot of people. Would you be interested in seeing Braveheart 2, Electric Bugle-A-Loo?" No, I don't think so.
When you said it was on the Aberdeen forum, Aberdeen FC forum, I thought it might have been like a
deep fake trailer for the Willie Miller story, stabbing, I don't know, fucking, what's his name of
"Game of Thrones" that the young guy Richard think make every second name, or maybe like,

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"Eon Jess" or "Nothing." That's what I mean. Wouldn't mind seeing that. Yeah, that'd be all right,
actually. Yeah, could do that, the Willie Miller story. But then, how are you going into all of his
wonderful glory days and then his Harry Ramston Zeera? Yeah, as you've got to say that as well.

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The Willie Miller story. When's the European Cup? Aberdeen. When's the League a few times,
Aberdeen? When's the Scottish Cup a few times? Bice the Batonji Bar. Fairly lack of lost their
career as a manager. Bice Harry Ramston's franchise. Julius End to that business as well.

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We don't mention that nowadays. Marys Ica-Dona makes a lot of money talking about the 40th
anniversary of Aberdeen 1 in the European Cup, talking about when Aberdeen 1 in the European Cup.
Yeah, I saw him. I didn't see him. I watched that documentary about the BBC did about Alex Fergus
and at the start of the year. It's a two-parter. Willie Miller probably expect as a talking head on that,

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so it was Gordon Shracking. It's worth a watch. Yeah, good. Yeah, I need to watch that,
actually. I'd heard it was very good. So, yes, I know, to Braveheart 2, you wouldn't fancy seeing that,
then. I don't think so. I mean, there was a bit of a sequel to Braveheart, like a real one,
where Angus McFadden plays the Bruce. And I think it might just, it's not the Bruce because the Bruce

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is the one with all of her read and will from Gladiator, then it came out a year after Braveheart.
But there is, I don't think it did very well, but there is, I think it came out when,
at the same time, it's the Outlook King, and I think the Outlook King sort of kind of buried it,
because it was the more higher profile film. It's just called Robert the Bruce. Yeah, Angus McFadden

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recrises his role as the King of Scotland. I hear it's not very good. Yeah, no, I don't think,
oh, do you have any Capaldi's in it? That would give you a good, a good frame of reference,
just don't get it. Well, that's how I found out about it, I think. I think I was trying to see
where the Foclish, yeah, any Capaldi came from, what we did. We did that movie last year,

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that he's in the Sammyville Jackson, the name of which I've forgotten. What's the Capaldi game?
Damage, that's it. Yeah, I think that's how I keep it, I think, I know it, but you know, I'm sure,
I'm sure when the, when the whale runs a bit dry, there's every chance, she'll be hidden as
talk about Robert the Bruce. Yeah, it's a point. Yeah, but yeah, everything annoys me when you see the,
the deep fake trailers, or posters, and you do kind of think, oh, is this true? And it leads

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to not believe things are true, but I'm positive, I can't remember which one it was, but I know you
sent one to me and it was, it was like a year or so ago, like the early days of this. And then I was
like, no, it's, I've fallen for this as well. I've seen the deep fake. Do you ever remember there was
years ago, I'm talking like 10, 12 years ago, there was a fan made trailer, and this was before AI,

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and it was for a ThunderCats movie. Yeah. And they did it really, it was like Brad Pitt was playing
like, ThunderCats and a camera was like Michael Clark Duncan or something, this live
control, I actually, you know, surely is good. Cheetah or something like that. Yeah, it was good.
Go back and revisit that. But yeah, I haven't watched the the Braveheart 2 trailer because I

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would just probably be disappointed and laugh, and because I kind of forgot at enough time. But
yeah, but Holywood Butler coming soon to Braveheart 2. Well, he's, he's, he's stars, Shady and
play right there at the moment. I think that Denathives 2 is doing quite well. Right? From right here.
Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I mean, I, I watched the first one for the first time, like the moment

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for last. I'm gonna say that. Oh, it's, it is brilliant, actually. It's, it's really good.
I think it's really good. I don't know what it's nice. I highly recommend it. It's, it's,
it's nonsense, but it is actually really good. Butler's fantastic in it. Yeah. And so is,
um, oh, Shade Jackson. He's, he's brilliant in it as well. Yeah. No, I highly recommend it. And 50 cent,

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too. Yeah. I do like about nonsense, as to be said. Yeah. It's, it's heat, but nonsense, if that makes us
okay. It's very good. So there we go. Braveheart 2, not coming to a cinema near you soon. Yeah. Just
as well. What, what else have you seen this week, Greg? Okay, so I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna tip through this one. So don't worry, I've found anybody, but it's quite funny. So the,

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this, I got this off the Sun website today. So the headline is, you got to love a Sun headline.
Barney Farmy. Uh, Farmer's issued with new woke guidelines, urging them to attend pride marches,
and warning against traditional phrases. The recommendations were approved at the Union's
National Conference. Uh, members of the National Farmer's Union of Scotland have also been told

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to make sure quiet people feel empowered to speak at meetings. Hmm. And a warning was issued
over using the well-used phrase, Farmer's Wife. I don't really know what that means. You know what that means?
I've heard that phrase, but I'm not quite sure what it means to be honest. Now, I don't want to get
myself into any trouble by... I'm speculating. Seeing that. I mean, I guess we should probably go to

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our prediction. Find out. Would that be the best thing? I'd be the best thing. Just because we want to
inform and educate on this podcast as well as on our team. Just, just as someone who's
married or partner to a farmer. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Um, yes. Um, usually a family member before marriage,
that's just cousin or even a sister. Oh, dear. That makes it go. Again, as a missionist to educate

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and inform its brothers and her team. So the woke push comes. The woke push comes after a
surgery alleged that farmers have been making sexist and racist remarks in public, shocking, that even
referred, even referring to former First Minister Nicholas Sturgeon's legs. A poll of National Farmer
Union for Scotland members found it was common to come across discriminatory practices at gallerings

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which could leave the Union open to legal action or exposure in the press. The report highlights
members indulging in pub chat in appropriate for a board meeting, but okay, for a night out at 10
o'clock in the Friday. It states at some meetings there can be inappropriate comments, for example.

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I mean, I'm sure this is the tammest comment they could find. Nicholas Sturgeon, the only good thing
about hurries or legs. Oh, no. I bet I bet there's much worse. Much worse. Yes. Of course. The
report written by the Union's diversity and inclusion lead, a lady called Caroline Miller, adds,
"The farmer is not a man. It can be a man or a woman. People in leadership positions need to

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use correct terminology. Don't use farmer's wife." And don't ask how many acres he has. It might
make others feel inadequate about their small holding. Fun or fun or. To make others feel included,
meetings should be arranged for times other than evenings when people with when people with

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childcare needs can't attend without securing a babysitter. Before meetings start, the person in
charge should provide a word of reassurance to anyone thought of as nervous. The report adds,
" Ensuring quiet people get a chance to speak, so people who are anxious might not get put on the
spot." It concludes that the NFU Scotland could make a consistent effort to support initiatives

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such as taking part in a pride march to give a clear message to gay people who may assume that the
National Farmers Union of Scotland is not for them. Talks by openly gay speakers connected to
agriculture. All of Ms Miller's recommendations were accepted at Thursday's National Conference
in Glasgow. Last night, conservative, rural fair secretary Tim Eagle said, "While it is vital,

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farming encourages entrance from all backgrounds, serious questions must be asked as to why this was
such a priority." Farmers would have hoped those who claim to speak for them to be focused on
the SNP's cuts to the rural budget and the impact of Labour's family farm tax. NFUS Chief Executive
John Davieson said, "We really said I'm sure, publishing this report and fill and committing to

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its recommendations sends a strong and positive signal that the NFU Scotland is serious about
diversity and inclusion across the organisation." Our membership is full of inspiring people in
creating an environment where more of them are willing to get involved directly with the organisation
can only be a good thing and that will focus on in the weeks and months ahead. Now I used to live

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in the countryside in NFUS Scotland in a bar and I knew quite a lot of farmers, I suppose,
who used to be coming? I can't see the pretending a pride march any time soon.
Well, I mean it's just a recommendation, it's not anything that they're being forced to do. I

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don't see anything hugely wrong with this, it's just about educating, I mean, both worked in offices
or in places of work that you are maybe told terms that aren't acceptable to be used.
One would think that just fucking common sense would prevail that but some people do need to be
educated and talked about what they can and can't say or can and can't do and people still do it.

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I mean, it's just constant in the news nowadays. Yesterday and today it's all about
Genoa de Campo and stuff that he's been getting up to. So he's cancelled, but yeah, you have to maybe
educate people and I think that is, yeah, they've maybe seen an area and maybe they want to make farmers

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more not so much inclusive but maybe it's a two way street then people are more, you know, it gets
rid of the connotations of farmers or farmers' wives or asking how many acres they have.
Oh, the small holdings. Yes.
Yeah, you know, I mean, the world's moving on. It's just, when I read it and I think back to sort of

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30 years ago, sort of pub chats of these guys and things, yeah, I mean most of these guys are probably
retired by now anyway because they were a good age when I was 18, you know what I mean. So they're
probably hung up their rakes with the farlet toes, the farmers' shoes, the spades, the tractor,
the tractor keys, their hose, and then, you know, living a quieter life, but it just may be laugh.

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Just the speculation is to what the, I mean, if the, if the, the only sort of team enough thing for
the sun is a comment about Nicholas Sturgeon having nice legs, you can only imagine some of the other
comment, some of the other comment. Yeah, I don't want to begin to imagine, but I can imagine that
they would have been, yeah, pretty brutal in terms of not holding back. But yeah, yeah, I'm glad the

(29:50):
sun just chose to print that one. Anyway, that's my second story. Good luck to the National Farmers Union.
What's your second story this week? My second story is from the daily record this week, Greg, and the
headline is "Man battered by onion in Edinburgh as cops hunt electric bike net." If that is not,

(30:11):
I'd say 20 to 85 headbainer fucking don't know what it is. A drive-by attack is being investigated by
police after a thug on an electric bike hurled an onion. A shopper was hit by the vegetable outside
a bunch of gregs in Edinburgh. It's not known if the victim was brought to tears by the onion,

(30:32):
but a witness said it hit him like a rock. It would be sore getting hit by an onion. Yeah,
it would be. They said, "I was walking down Gorgi Road, then two teens in electric bike zoom pass,
and one through an onion at some guy standing opposite us." Happened right opposite the gregs
around 9.20pm on Wednesday. Sounds silly, but the onion disintegrated on impact and hit the guy

(30:55):
right in the back of the head. It made a loud sound, both the impact and the bloke.
And the guy dropped to his knees looking dazed, so it looked a bit more serious than it actually reads.
He was with his mates, so I left him to it, but the man thought he was hit by a rock.
We do get pricks on bikes here, but it's the first time I've seen something as blighted as this.

(31:19):
It's so bizarre. The shane thing is, nets will never see the consequences of this,
and it's scary to see them going this far to attack people. So if anyone's around the area,
look out. They said the officers had received an report of an assault on Gorgi Road,
and enquiries were ongoing. So, man, hit by onion. My kid's an electric bike.

(31:41):
This is so hard. Where did they find the onion? Where did they get the onion? Was this a,
you know, was this a planned attack? Or was it just the final onion?
We just decided to launch it at this guy. Some sort of vegetable related drive-by.
Maybe a farmer. He had a rumoured hit by a vegetable. I don't think so. I feel like I remember,

(32:03):
because most vegetables that's going to cause you some level of pain, right?
Yes, you see a head. You see a onion, that's if it's thrown in full force at speed from an electric
bike and it hits you, like, right in the back of the head, that's going to hurt.
And the guy thought he was hit by a rock, so yeah, it must have been caused a fear of a damage,
you would think? Yeah, for sure. I mean, when you were telling me about it, it just made me think

(32:28):
of that chapter in the book. I can remember the guy's name, it's not. It wasn't Jay Allen,
but the other guy who used to run about with the Aberdeen Casuals in the 80s.
What I say, Dan Rivers, that sounds bang-one, but he'd talk about getting hit in the head with
a tenor beans. I would say, I would say Tana Dice.

(32:55):
I mean, I guess that's his thing, if you're leaving for the day and you're off to have a rock,
you're just looking for any available implement and you can't find anything,
then I'd turn a bean inside. That would be hard. Definitely.
Sure. Yeah, definitely.
It's not nice getting hit in the head with anything, because you always end up feeling
a bit sick, you know what I mean? I remember, I think I've mentioned it in the podcast before,

(33:17):
but I think we only had concussion twice in my whole life.
And the first time was at the time capturing Co-bridge when I leapt out the water to
attack my father and hit my head on a bridge just a puff.
Oh, ow!
And I'd proper concussion and felt really sick, you know what I mean?
I just walked a light out and it was horrible.
And then the second time was in Q8 when I was but I was hammered on Hoots and I smacked

(33:42):
not the Alcopop, but like Homebrew and I hammered my face off a wall with not myself clean out.
So I've got sympathy for the victim here, but it feels like I've edited it for centuries.
They crime that to me through it.
It's like having your phone stolen by a kid in an electric bike.

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But you just want to know, maybe struck by an edit vegetable?
No, that I can think of. I don't think of it as anything.
No, I can't think of an occasion where I've been hit by a vegetable.
Probably over the years, maybe.
Like I don't know, working in a kitchen or something,
you know, mucking about, but I don't know, not anything.
I mean, we did get into a trouble in a bar in Glasgow for throwing limes around, didn't we?

(34:25):
They had too many limes, didn't they?
Was it Maggie Maze, I think the pub is, or I think it was Maggie Maze,
and they had a massive basket of limes just sitting in the bar.
Just asking for trouble.
Yeah, I don't mean.
Did you, did that, what happens?
I know that line went to Parkhead the next day for the final.
What happened to it after that?
Did it just work or something?

(34:46):
Yeah, it got thrown away after the match.
I think it'd been in, obviously, we'd picked it up in the bar.
It'd been thrown around.
It was in my pocket.
And then during the match, it was in my mouth.
It was in Willie's mouth.
It was in Scott's mouth.
I've got full of it, a graphic evidence of it in all our mouths.
And yeah, I think it just got, I don't think I launched it on the picture anything.

(35:06):
I think it just, I really hope nobody clips that last little bit there.
Damn it.
I'll have to carefully edit this episode.
But yeah, I think I just left.
I got a funny feeling it was still in my pocket,
and it, like, I woke up in the hotel the next morning,
and then I'm like, well, I'll just bend this,

(35:27):
what am I going to do?
I'm not taking it back to Dubai, so I'll just leave it here.
You don't leave it in the bar in Diamond Dolls or anything like that.
No, maybe.
Yeah, because it did end up at Diamond Dolls at the end.
No, I don't think I did.
It was a Sunday night.
There wasn't really anyone else open.
Oh, dear.

(35:50):
Yeah, that's my excuse.
Snipstick into it.
Well, I hope the last thing damage was done to this,
that this fella with a,
struck in the head with a line.
The M2.
Yeah, me too.
Yeah, terrible, terrible tragedy.
So I hope he's okay.
Lovely.
Right.
Have you seen anything else this week, Greg?
Nope, that's all.
Wonderful.
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So, it was your choice this week, Nicky,
so why don't you introduce the movie we'll be watching.
Thank you very much, Greg.
We don't do this often on the podcast,

(37:59):
but we'd just like to give a little trigger warning for this episode.
We'll be... what we're going to be talking about today.
We're going to be heavily talking about the topic of suicide
and people taking their own life.
So, if you've been affected by anything like that
or find that upsetting, please switch off now.
We won't be offended at all.
Go and listen to one of our other episodes and, you know, won't be offended.
However, today we are looking at the 2002 film,

(38:21):
which was a collaboration between Scottish and Danish cinema,
directed by Lonna Scherfik,
and starring Jamie Syves, Shirley Henderson, Adrian Rollins,
and Mads Michelson.
The film follows chronically suicidal Wilbur,
and his good-hearted brother, Harbour,
who are in their 30s when their father dies,
and leaves them with nothing but a worn-down,
second-hand bookshop in Glasgow.

(38:42):
We are, of course, discussing the film Wilbur wants to kill himself.
So, Greg, had you seen this film before?
I hadn't, and I was really surprised that I hadn't seen it
because I came out in 2002, and that was probably it.
I was probably at the height of my sort of cinema obsession,
then, you know what I mean?
And there we go, the GFT, and still when I was in Glasgow,

(39:04):
and I was going to see independent films,
and the independent movie scene was really vibrant
in the late 90s and early 2000s.
I think, probably, they off the success of, like,
Shalgrave and Train Sport, and then some English movies,
but, like, sort of, really a lot of good stuff.
Well, we did the American cousins a few months ago,
and that came out maybe a year after this,

(39:27):
or two years after this.
So, I mean, the surprise that I hadn't seen it,
when I saw what the film was called, I thought,
"This is going to be a laugh."
You know what I mean?
But, you know, it's somewhat, you've mentioned the issues
that it deals, not only does it deal with suicide,
but, you know, it's also like a big terminal cancer story,

(39:48):
that, as well.
True.
But, you know, despite all of that,
there's some really nice, light moments,
and it's a kind of weirdly uplifted film.
It is.
And I think it's no easy task to try and make humor out of death.
And, you know, Black comedies do it.

(40:10):
I instantly think of orphans when you think,
kind of, something like this,
that, of course, the main theme is death,
but it is a very funny film.
But, Wilbur is different.
It's kind of, as you said, it's like a gentle,
like a romantic element going through it.
And it's, it's full of just bizarre humor, as well, in places.
And I think there's a very dry sense of humor in this,

(40:31):
which I think works well,
and it's a combination, I suppose, of Scottish and Danish.
It's in a month.
Yeah.
Because the script was written in Danish,
but then translated to English.
But I did read, I watched an interview with Jamie Syles
and said that, you know, there were quite a lot of input
from the actors, because they were like,
that doesn't work in scones.
Like, there has to be some different elements.
They did tweak things.

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And you're right.
And we, like, somehow this film manages to combine suicide
and terminal illness and a betrayal, as well, really.
Yeah.
But turns it into like a touching, sensitive
and quite uplifting experience in the end.
Like, you are kind of, I don't know,
there are moments that you are uplifted.
And it's something bad happens,

(41:11):
but then something quite nice happens.
And it's, it's an odd film, but it worked.
I mean, I really enjoyed it.
I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed it.
They were, when I, because it's, it's by your standards.
It's quite a long film.
You know what I mean? It's almost about this.
Yes.
Yes.
You know, perhaps in, perhaps in like modern cinema

(41:31):
that would be considered short.
Because I don't think you get many movies these days
that are less than two hours.
But, you know, they get, Jamie Syles in a lead role.
I don't know why we haven't seen more than that.
You know, really, over the years,
he always seems to be in support and roles.
It's odd.
And I was thinking that as well, watching this.

(41:52):
Because this would have come off,
this is one of his first films.
And then just after this, he landed a role in Rockface,
which, I need to try and find out, actually,
wonder if that is any good and whole time.
I think so.
I'd drama about Rockfamous.
Yeah.
In Scotland.
For me, you're right.
Like his, his kind of peak now will always be guilt.

(42:12):
Yeah.
And as Duckey Gilman in crime,
which he's just fucking phenomenal.
Yes.
But, yeah, I agree.
I'd like to see more.
So it's because he's brilliant in guilt.
And that is quite a, compared to Duckey Gilman,
it's a very understated role.
It's, you know, the character in guilt is a bit more like
Wilbur, really, in terms of, you know,
dry, sarcastic, relaxed humor.

(42:34):
But, yeah, I agree.
I'd like to see more of Jamie Syles.
Because he is great.
He's really good in this.
You know, he's got a really good face, you know what I mean?
They can really good looking guy.
You know, when all the women are sort of thrown themselves
at Wilbur, you know, like, you sort of see why.
You know what I mean is, you know, I think it'd be about 29 or 30
or something when he did this.
So, you know, it's a really good shape.

(42:56):
And, you know, but really, really charming.
And, you know, it's, really, you should be frustrated with Wilbur,
you know what I mean?
Because everyone's trying to help him.
And the first sort of two-thirds of the movie
has got his brother, Harbert, just living on his nerves,
trying to protect him.
You know, we realize that Harbert is significantly older than Wilbur.

(43:19):
And, you know, there's the nurse played by Julia Davis,
who, you know, she fancies him, but she's also trying to help him.
And then Alice, when she comes into the picture, you know,
she saves his life essentially when he tries to hang himself in a bookshop.
And, you know, in the horse, played by Mads Michelson, I never thought we'd have him in a,

(43:40):
an episode of something of a Scottish thing.
But they're all trying to help him.
And he's sort of selfishly just determined to try and, you know,
and when we get to this scene, they think the worst thing he does is the night of Harbert
and Alice's wedding when he cuts his wrist in the back.
They, on their wedding night.

(44:00):
And you just think it's fucking so selfish.
But I think it's the, it's, it's performance that you end up even though he's sort of actively pursuing
his brother's wife and everything, there's something about his performance,
where you do, by the end of the film, you're really kind of warm to him, you know what I mean?
And you're glad that he seems, so, so, spoiling the end of the film,

(44:22):
but he's no longer suicidal by the end of the film.
And it's, you know, like, I was kind of, you know, I'm, I'm, but,
I kind of felt quite a strong sense of relief at the very end, um, when they're, when they're,
just for the credit's role, when they're, the family are walking away across the cemetery.
Because you can't, I think, well, it's, could've be all right for all those guys, you know?
And, and, and Wilbur is, could've got over this suicidal sort of mission that he was on.

(44:47):
And that's one thing we don't really know. I mean, it's touched upon, of course,
is to do with the fact that his mum died when he was five and he had a bad relationship with
his father, but it's in delvin to really hugely why he is so determined to, to take his wife.
Really. But that's, but that's harbors. He's going to speculate, right?
He sort of tells us, he, he, he's saying why he thinks, but at, at no point does Wilbur

(45:11):
actually show any, about any kind of vulnerability and say, you know, um, it's because of
this, or because of that, you know? Yeah. No, very true. And you're completely right.
I, I, I think Wilbur is a very selfish character. And I would argue the worst thing he does is
cut his wrists on their wedding night. The worst thing he does is sleep this brother's wife really.
Well, yeah. But there is a, it, she said, it's, it's not really like he's pursuing her, but then he

(45:35):
kind of is, there's, there's just that scene. There is a, a, a mutual kind of attraction there.
And it's something they can't maybe fight. And they've kissed and they apologize, but then they,
they have to give in to their desires, I guess. Yeah. Um, whereas, whereas harbors, like the
epitome of selflessness, you know, he takes Allison Mary in. He's always trying to help Wilbur. He's,

(45:56):
you know, he's been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. And, but he's like, no, I need to get home,
you know, I need to get home to, to Allison Mary. It's, it's not a case of he's putting everyone
else before himself. And to, to his detriment, I mean, to be fair, you know, pancreatic cancer,
obviously, you know, it's, there's no coming back from that, but he can still do things to,

(46:17):
to help make his life a bit more comfortable, but he'd rather just go in and be with his family.
And that's what he wants, because I think he thinks they, they need him. And he is the, the kind of,
the stable part of the, the group, the core, really. Well, he, you know, they really, he kind of,
he does the, even his last act is the benefit to the benefit of his brother. And, yeah.

(46:40):
And, unconsciously, though, there's that be moment when he's saying goodbye to Mary, um,
Alice's daughter, and she says, well, she says, how are you going to sleep in Wilbur's old bed? And,
yeah, it's such a good performance from Adrian Rollins, who's not, who's not Scottish, by the way,
which I was shocked at, and we'll come back, we'll come back to that, I'm sure, but, um, you know,
there's, he just let something kind of set of over his face. And then, you know, he knows that he's,

(47:04):
he's going to die. He's got terminal cancer. So, the save his brother's life, essentially,
it takes his own life, you know, so Wilbur, so he gets out of Wilbur's way and Wilbur and Alice can
be together and, you know what, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's incredibly poignant, you know what,
I mean, like, I, I felt, I felt a bit emotional just talking about it now, you know what, I mean,

(47:25):
like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's whole life has been in service to this, this wayward little brother,
try to keep him alive. And, you know, he, he makes the ultimate sacrifice to, to guarantee that
that will happen. Yeah, no, very true. That is, it's, yeah, as you say, his last kind of thing that,
that he's, he's trying to do and it is, he's right, trying to, to help everyone again, that they're,

(47:49):
they're gonna have a better life without him and maybe make things easier for when he, he passes,
yeah. No, very true. Yep. So, yeah, Adrian Rollins, that's Harbour, English actor, great,
Scottish, great Scottish accent. Yeah, I had no idea, I had no idea. Yeah. He plays a
Harry Potter's dad in the Harry Potter movies, but I didn't recognize him from them because I think

(48:09):
he's, he's not on the screen very much because it's all flashbacks and stuff in the Harry Potter films,
but it was interesting to read about them because it's very highly respected theatre actor and stuff.
But I, I thought he was fantastic at this. He's got some great one liners as well, as much as,
a lot, as can see, as much as a lot of the comedy comes from Wilbur, but it doesn't really,

(48:31):
because Alice has some great lines as well, but it's, it's Harbour. And it's, it's the delivery of
some of them that had me in stitches and it, it's something so simple, and it's after one of Wilbur's
suicide attempts, and Alice, you know, did, and Harbour are speaking and she says to me,
what does the psychologist say? And he seems upset, Wilbur threw Brussels sprouts at him,

(48:51):
he had a TVF and, the delivery of that lied and the other one that cracked me up was when he's,
it's home from him trying to clean Fatima's dress and so Fatima's mother was completely calm.
Seems the whole family's name Fatima except for her younger brother Bob.
But the calmness of his performance is wonderful, but also has some, he gets to show his acting

(49:19):
chops when he finds Wilbur in the bath, or even one of the opening scenes when he gets the call
and he's running round to Wilbur's and comes rushing in and opening the windows and
that immediately, you know, how much he cares for his brother. Like, he just cares from so much and
it's, yeah, it's a wonderful performance from him to, to have such a range of, it's not even anger,

(49:41):
you never really see him lose his temper, it's, it's more anguish and pain that he's feeling in those
moments, but normally he's just such a calm and he does get, okay, he doesn't get angry in the hospital,
but he gets kind of agitated and anxious that he needs to get home. And it's, yeah, there's a real
subtlety to his performance, but it's, yeah, it's wonderful. He's, he's, there's the ultimate,

(50:04):
sort of, selfless character, you know, that you see everything he does is in service to somebody,
you know, like he feels, initially when he meets Alice, he's, you know, he's buying, he's buying any
books offer that she brings in, that she faints and that she faints in her job. And he, you know,
like he's, his instinct is to look after her, you know what, I mean, like, when they get to, you know,

(50:28):
just before they get together, you know, like she, she looks after the shop forum and stuff where he
has to run round to rescue Elber again and all that. Yeah. And it, it's like, he's so accepting of this
horrendous diagnosis, there's no sort of, kind of weeping and wailing and anger or whatever, it's just

(50:48):
something else that he has to, that he has to deal with, you know, well, but I think he's in denial
for a lot of it because yeah, he does, the one kind of part that he does show is when he has the
medical textbook and he does show it to, to horse and, yeah, yeah, that he's finding the shop and
horse like, well, that's completely different. That's chronic pancreatic. And even up to that point,

(51:08):
you don't know what is wrong with it. You know, something's wrong with Harbor, but you haven't,
do I actually know what it is. And as soon as they mentioned chronic pancreatic, it's like,
ah, fuck, he's got pancreatic cancer, isn't he? Yeah. And it's something that, you're right. So I think
it is a case of he's maybe in denial or he's put it to the back of his mind. That's the one part that
you kind of think, okay, maybe he is trying to cling on to something, but then it, yeah, just goes back

(51:32):
to normal. And you're right, he's so completely selfless. Sometimes without even thinking, the scene
you mentioned there where Alice looks after the shop and he comes back with Wilbur and Alice like,
oh, no, I'm going to be late because she's falling asleep in the chair and he's like, oh, I'll give you a lift
and Wilbur's like, hey, we don't have a car. It's because he wants to do something to kind of help Alice

(51:56):
and without even thinking, oh, yeah, shit, don't have a car. How are we going to get there? It just shows
the, yeah, the character of just being so selfless and so willing to help others. Yeah, yeah,
no, I really enjoyed, I really enjoyed the Asian Roll and South to try and find some other stuff
that he's been into, watch because I thought he was really good in this. And then, you know, the next

(52:18):
sort of lead is Shirley Henderson, who I mentioned, American cousins earlier. She pops up and she pops
up on that. I mean, I think she's so good at playing this type of character, you know what I mean, the,
you know, the sort of, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can,
go, she's we, right? And so you can understand Harbors instinct to kind of protect her and look after,

(52:40):
yeah, you know, I think, yeah, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's a, it's a very calm and distant in a way
and you're right, that is kind of a Shirley Henderson, yeah, but kind of character plays, but, you know,
the scene where she comes in to sell books and harbors like you've got tune gum in your hair. And
she's just nonchal, oh, I fell asleep on the bus and it's that kind of sums up her character. The,

(53:02):
the one time she does get to really break the kind of mold of the character is the scene after
the Chinese restaurant where they find out about Harbors condition and she just fucking loses it at
him and that you just, yeah, it's so great because you don't expect, you know, someone so we to come out
with this ferocity, but again, it shows how much she cares for Harbors and she, she does say to

(53:24):
well, we're at one point, you know, I don't want to lose him like she loves everyone. She wants
them all to kind of be together, but yeah, the, the, it's a real switch in that scene where she just
goes crazy at Harbors and then the next bit there, there come is anything as they come into the
lounge. We're going to the hospital. And it's, yeah, a wonderful performance from Henderson.
That's always really. Yeah, she's so good. That, that, that moment there, we should,

(53:48):
Bushy, she could have changed his channels if you like. I'm sure we've seen her do stuff like that
before. I think you can't, but you can't spend some time right now. It's that they walk, but you
feel like there's a lot that is just, you know, there's a, she's obviously had a tough life, you know,
before she, before we, when we first met her, she's single-parent with a, sort of tenacious young

(54:10):
daughter, you know, she loses her job and everything and, you know, I think it's, you sort of feel like,
it's the, the culmination of all this injustice, you know, finally, finally, she's found somebody to
do love her and was taking care of her and love her daughter and just taking care of her, only for
now this card to be dealt, you know what I mean? Like this frustration and anguish and everything and

(54:32):
yeah, it's just this sort of all in that woman, but then they, then as you see, she just, she just
comes right back down again, you know, and the next scene that's just right, right, that's
that's going in the hospital. Yeah. Yeah. And I think her, her wistful approach fits in well with this
film because I felt, overall, film, like it almost feels like kind of, and I love films like this,

(54:53):
like it's set out of time in a way, like you wouldn't watch this and say that's 2002. Yeah. Because
it's almost like a, it's almost like a fantasy Glasgow, but the characters don't really interact
and I know the exterior was filmed in Glasgow, but all the interior shots were filmed in Denmark.
Right. But I know it's, it just feels like a, a strange, even the hospital, it feels like this

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weird fantasy element, if you say any time anywhere, it's almost like these characters are in kind
of like a vacuum and just preserved like it's like the joy of pickling, they're just kind of preserved
in this, this area and these few sets and scenes, but it just works so well in terms of being,
as I say, almost like a fantasy kind of romantic wistful, which again fits well with

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Shirley Henderson's character, Rivalis. You don't see anybody using a mobile phone? No.
And by 2002, most people had phones by then, you know, you know, yes, for sure.
Does Carbohus want to start? Oh, he's, is it a shop phone? Hosh is the shop phone. Yeah, shop phone.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, no, that's, that's a good point. It does seem like, because the, the other

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thing is, like, although they, we're, it's a Scottish film, you know, the cast are, it's,
it's setting Glasgow. We've got a Scottish, two Scottish lead actors in it, but they, they don't really,
it could be the lead. It could be anywhere really to your point. You know what I mean? I mean, you know,
if you, if I, I, I recognised the exterior that they use for the bookshop, I noticed that

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where that is, it's at the bottom of the high street in a setty centre, because the anger there's
rendezvous shop across the road is a place where my dad used to go to get fishing stuff when we were
in town. And this, there's a pet shop next door to that, or they used to say it would be a pet shop
next door to the, to the, the unit they're using for the bookshop. But, you know, they, apart from

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the Scottish accents, we see the Clyde, obviously, I mean, nothing would compel me to get into the
fucking Clyde. I'll be quite honest with you. I don't know. They, they managed to get poor,
they're in Macintosh in there, but you know, it could be anywhere to your point. It's, you know,
there's, there's no sort, and it doesn't, although it's, was made in 2002, it's a fashion and everything,

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you know, like the way the characters dress, not, it's all very kind of, you know, like, that, as you
say, could be anywhere, anytime. I mean, the one thing that did put it in Glasgow, and I don't know if I
can say this, you can let me know if I should cut this out, but it's windowed in the Chinese
restaurant, and it cuts to the waiter, and it just goes in the broadest accent, you know,
in one, they put in, and I was not expecting that accent to come out of that general, but I burst out

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laughing. Thank you. So cute. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And, and it's wonderful, because again, that breaks
the tension of that scene. They've just found out the harbor has terminal cancer, and then bang,
you have this comedy element, speaking about banana fritters, and stuff like that, the pudding,
and it just kind of, yeah, breaks it down so well. So yeah, I did really like that part.

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So it's all, though, it's those little moments, like Julia Davis as the nurse. And again, excellent
Scottish accent from Julia Davis. Yeah. Yeah. So every time we see her, she's got a different
haircut. She's got her hair cut, like, I hear, I hear, cut, like, toya in one scene, then she's
got a cut, like, early Madonna at one point. So just, she is such a bizarre character, and I loved

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it. I loved you, the Davis. Nighty-Legs is up there, one of my favorite all-time shows.
She's great. You're right. An amazing accent. And I love the, again, the Chinese restaurant scene
that she's wearing, you know, Chinese dress, because that's what people did. So they're going to a
Chinese restaurant. But a great character, I say, I loved her hairstyles. I love the, again,

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she said earlier, she does, she cares for Wilbur immediately. And she's wonderful in the group
setting at the beginning trying to keep everyone calm. And, you know, the great line, you know,
which she says to Wilbur, what would happen if everyone went around killing themselves? And Wilbur,
well, there'd be no more group. Wilbur, what do you think would happen in a broad,

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sociological sense if we all went around killing ourselves?
We know more group. Just a really good performance and just keeps popping back randomly. And you can
tell she's really cares as well. Like towards the end, she's sitting with Harbour in the hospital and

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they just have an attract about, you know, she's speaking about her weight and trying to get a man
and again, Harbour is speaking so nicely to her and concerned about her. And it's a, yeah,
a really good performance from her. And when you had every reason to be pissed off at her because she's
because she lets the cat out the bag about his diagnosis before he's ready to tell the family

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she cushions that everybody knows. So they, if he's got a right to be annoyed at anybody other than
Wilbur, it's definitely her. And, you know, it's just kind of true to form. He's kind.
Such a strange and offbeat job for Wilbur as well. He works in a daycare, looking after kids.
And it's just ludicrous and it's bizarre. That scene when they're in the museum and the poor kids,

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like, can I hold your hand on the bus? Oh, it's fuck off. Nancy boy.
When they catch a bus, can I hold your hand? Fuck off. Nancy boy. They all love him because,
even though it's not because he's, you know, he's so combative with them and evidently just doesn't like

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children. But yeah, he says he's been three to four hundred kiddie's birthday parties when he
decides to hold a birthday party for Mary. And he's like, wow. And he's true enough. He's like,
look, it doesn't matter. You just let them go on with it and stuff. And then he, you know, stands on
his head and that entertains all the kids. And that's his party piece done effectively.

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The week in a week, those Mary, I thought, is really good. And she's, you know, she sort of, she
can't get better and better as the film goes on, I think. But the week in a week that they are
friends, they end that party scene when she's sitting in the, all given her gifts. There's a cut,
the way that a couple of the girls speak. Obviously, they've gone to a, like, a kids drama school

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in Glasgow to find these three girls to do something. There's something about, they've got a way of
speaking young girls in Glasgow. And it's not about this sort of nadi way, it's just, it's the accent.
It's like, they're incredibly fucking confident. They speak like little women, you know what I mean?
They even, when I, when I was at school in Glasgow, the girls were like, my cousins were all like that

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when they were young girls, you know, they come out, they were exactly like that. They just talk,
like their mum's talk, you know what I mean? They, they talk to each other like they're talking to adults
and just the way they say things, like even the way one of the big girls, when she's, when she's
handing the presents and me, she's like, here you go, Mary. And the way she says it, it's not like she's
given a gift to our repile from school. It's like she's given a gift to like a, a woman she knows at work.

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Yeah, I mean, yeah, I know what you mean, actually, that does, I never thought about that, but you're
right. It is a specific way of talking that, yeah, little glass region girls have. Now I think
about it. And I would try to think of other previous films, like they, they aforementioned Orphans,
you know, is the, the young girls and that and that's the same kind of way. But you're right,
Mary is a bit different. She's older than her years, I guess, because they're upbring them

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with Alice. She reminded me a little bit of Gregory's creepy little sister in Gregor. Yeah, I never
thought of that. She does relate that. She's, you know, she's, she's kind of wise, isn't she? You
know what I mean, you know, she's the one that wants, she wants to, I think because she said I can
ask tough life grown up as a, in a single parent family, she's incredibly grateful and receptive to

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her situation after they get, after they move in with Harbour. You know, like she, but it's
even a moment when they're talking about, well, I can't remember the scene that she talked to
Wilbur and it's something like, he says something like, well, you can't have everything. And she's like,
I've got everything or something like that, you know what I mean, you know, she's, she fully appreciates
how lucky she is to be surrounded by all three of them, not just our mum and Harbour. And I thought

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it's a shame because I was looking at the IMDB for the actress who plays Mary, her name's Leeson
McKinley and this seems to be her only, her only acting credit, which I suppose is quite common
for child actors, but yeah, she's very good. She's really, really good in it, I thought. Yeah,
no, really good, really, really good, I would say. There's a running theme throughout the film as well

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about, and I'm just bringing this up because it'll give you an excuse to tell your story.
About Wilbur, Wilbur getting his ear licked and, that's up. It made you have a time we were out in
Glasgow and I got my eye licked, one night. It does. It reminds me, well, I actually, well, we're

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going to the Shed in Charlons, which closed down last year, but it was announced that it should be
opening as a Malbra very soon. Yeah, I think it used to be the Malbra hotel, before it was like,
okay, that makes sense. Yeah, but that night when you, you got in a lumber, then you were having a
bit of a dance and a kiss and a cuddle, and I was just, as usual, just kind of witnessing the,

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the sort of success with the opposite sex with my friends rather than having any success of my own,
and I just, yeah, sort of, rubbing your eye, looking confused, before sort of walking away from her,
coming back to joy and keep up running into proceedings, licked my eye, Jesus.

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She, you mentioned her earlier, Lorraine McIntosh, Lorraine from Dick and Blue. I totally didn't expect
her, but quite soon in the film she appears, and then she appears, you know, a few times, right?
Yeah, very angry woman, fucking hates Wilbur. And, you know, she just say it at one point,
why do you just fuck off and die? It's like, I'm fucking suicide, awareness group. And, but again,

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she's brilliant, just feisty and just angry, and you can just really get the venom from her, but yeah,
it's just, she just hates Wilbur. It was a good part of her, because, you know, I think often she
gets cast as like, the female leads friend, or, you know, or something like that, and she was
in River City for a long time as well. So it's here, you know, playing a much grittier,

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kind of character was, was good, you know what I mean? And, I didn't recognise her straight away,
you know, the, the first thing the camera cuts to her and she's speaking, and I was like, I don't know,
that's a kind of wind it back and, sure enough, that's, I don't know, you guys. And it's still absolutely
criminal that the Ray McIntosh does not have a photo profile picture, where I am, D.B. criminal,

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I am absolutely shocking, pull the finger out. Yeah, because I was trying to think, it's a good,
as you're saying there, she plays like the friend, because what was it? Well, my name is Joe, of course,
yeah, she plays the Maggie, yeah, the friend, so yeah, you're right. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah,
great. And of course, I'm one really spoken, but of course, he's not Scottish, but Mads Michelson,

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again, yeah, she said it's bizarre that he pops up in this, but, you know, very accomplished
Danish actor. Well, I think that's what he's f*cking. He's f*cking funny. It became, because I guess his
big break was the James Bond film, wasn't it? Was it because he had a Royale? What do you play? Yes,
plays the villain. L'Chefra. L'Chef, yeah, yeah, but he, yeah, he's big star, no? Yeah. But he's good,

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I like him in this, because when everything like you see him in, because he also plays Hannibal,
doesn't he? In the Hannibal TV series, that sign so I'm spinoff. Yes. And he's in like Doctor Strange
and he's in a lot of stuff, but it's good to see him playing a sort of, he's a pretty whimsical
character, you know, because he obviously can't be ballers with a support group, you know, like he's,

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he's every time he's seeing him, he's smoking a fag. Yeah, he's kind of, you know, he seems, he's
sort of JDden and he's got a bit of a dry sense of humor as well, like when Wilbur says,
"Well, I want to ask you a question, are you related to a man called, to the man called Horst?"
And he's like, "Yeah, yeah, I think so, my mother's side."

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I was wondering if we could have a little chat at some point.
Yeah. I do have a question I'd like to ask you. Yes.
If you've got the time. Yes, I have.
Are you in any way related to the man they called Horst?
I believe so, yes, somewhere on my mother's side, yes.

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Yeah. In that case, I've 175, quite.
You can tell if he's been naive or if he's, if he's just sort of given a little jab back, you know.
And again, it's the deadpan humor that he has. As you say, you know, the introduction is when he's
he's looking out the the window, he's smoking fags, and then the first thing he does is he comes over

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to Wilbur effectively, and he's like, "So, Wilbur, what did you try this time?"
Yeah. He's a little pills and gas, and he's like, "You could have killed yourself."
Very deadpan humor. However, he comes to the forefront, really, of when he's dealing with Harbour,

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and he convinces Harbour, and he's like, "I've got a bottle of bourbon in my office."
And that's a very touching scene in a way as well, and that's the time that you see that he does have
time for him. Yeah. It could be right, he's maybe just jaded and fed up of the group, but in terms of
Harbour, who he sees, maybe just doesn't want help, he is offering to, to, you know, lend an ear and speak

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to him about that. It's a very nice scene that I thought. Well, that's, you know, like I said, I think
every character that we come into contact with, maybe with a possible exception of, well, no,
even hard to even show the Davies his character, they're all sort of damaged in one way or another,
you know, Wilbur and Harbour are both damaged by their mother-passing away, their father being
lumbered with a bookshop. See, it's not really discussed, but it's clear that Alice is, you know,

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carrying some damage from, you know, being left alone to braze her daughter.
Even like Horst has a bit damaged as well, he talks about his dad getting his dog put down when
it was nothing wrong with them, and forcing them to become a, forcing them to become a psychologist,
when he, um, he wanted to be a jazz musician, and even the character, forget her name, who,

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like, sure, these are Alice's, rather colleague, it finds a bit of romance with towards the end,
and he's like, "Oh, didn't you lose a daughter?" And she's like, "Yeah, eight years ago, so even she
is damaged, but everybody in the film is just, but the, with the exception of Wilbur, from most of
the film, is just trying to get on and make their way in life, you know?" Yeah, you're right, yeah.

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Sophie is the name of the, yeah, the, the girl you get, you're right, I hadn't made that thought
great, but you're right, every single person has been damaged in some way, and you're right,
everyone's getting on with it, apart from Wilbur, who is just trying to, to end things,
and everyone else is rallying around him to try and, you know, get him better and stop from,
from doing that. Despite their own, uh, their own baggage, you know, their own emotional challenges.

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I think they mix as well his, his suicide attempt with, with humor, but also horrific scenes as well.
So of course, the opening is quite funny, hustling pills, and then when he puts the oven on,
and then it, oven packs in, and he has to come, money in the meter, and funny, when he jumps into
the duck pond, and it's, you know, only up to his waist, and he just gets frustrated. But then of course,

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the, when he decides to hang himself from the washing line, that's horrific, but as you mentioned
earlier, the scene in the bath where he's, where he cuts wrists, that is just horrible. It's shocking,
comes in and finds in, yeah, horrible scene, and that's when it, it really hits home of like, holy
shit. This is, you know, this is bad, and, and you're feeling for all the other characters
around as well. But you'll see it doesn't have, because we see him at one point on top of a building,

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on a ledge, but you're evidently, doesn't jump. I wonder if that, and that was kind of the last
time you see him contemplating it, is that, you know, something switched because he comes home,
immediately to Alice and Mary. And that's the next time you see him, and I wonder if that
something has switched at that point in his head that he's decided maybe not to. Yeah, well, that's
what I thought, you know, it's, it's sort of like, it has kind of R, because in that, you know, he,

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really, he's obviously, this is him falling for Alice at this point, you know? And,
it's this, and this is, this is before he finds out about Harbors diagnosis as well, isn't it?
Yeah, you know, yeah, I took that to be, when he did, when he doesn't jump, I was, you know,
again, I was a bit of a sense of relief. I was like, right, he's, because I thought he's, he's

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going to jump and he's going to get like blown into the window below or something,
daft like that, or he's going to land on a balcony and party slag or something, a little bit,
a little bit, this, along the lines of him jumping into the point. But, um, but yeah, he seems to have
a bit of an epiphany up in the, up the ledge. Well, it's just after the birthday party,
where he announced kiss, but before they, you know, go further. So, yeah, it is, I guess the,

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that is the, he has an epiphany and that's the thing, yeah, he has decided that he maybe is in love
with Alice and that's something that he maybe has to live for. Yeah. Yeah. And I think also maybe he's
considering, you know, before the person that would be the most affected would be Harbors,
but starting to realize that there's other people that are going to be affected too, that he cares
about, you know, I think, including Mary. I mean, he does technically succeed, you know, he does die,

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from the, the rest instant, but then, you know, it's brought back to life. I could see your laugh
again in his description of what death is like. Did you appreciate that? Maybe laugh, yeah,
this blackness sirens absolutely nothing. You are a fucking moron. Well, but,

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now when you, you're dead, what was it like? Harbors, you've got hangover. He's not going to die.
Yeah, of course I'm not, I know that, but what was it like? What do you mean? Is there anything there?
There's just some kind of huge white light. This is dull as dishwater. There's nothing. Just

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blackness and utter silence. It's probably been in wheels. Sorry to our well-solicener,
so yeah, it's funny. Harbors also mentioned at one point that a good pair of pajamas is a nice thing
to have. How do you feel about pajamas? To sweaty. I get, I get too hot in bed at night. I can't,
you know, like the, the, the most I can go is a t-shirt. If I'm like, I'm in the UK in winter,

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you know, but even then, if I'm, if I'm usually in my mum's and my mum favors, like, thick do
these, you know what I mean? So even, even in the winter, you're still pretty toasty, even if you're
just in your, in your boxers. Wait, you, you think I'd pair a picture? I don't mean to pair
pajamas for like hanging about the house, but, yeah, but not to sleep in. Wait, you, um, in the winter,
yeah, pajamas bottoms, but just a t-shirt and then in the spring, pajamas shorts and a t-shirt,

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and then in the summer, nothing, because it's, yeah, two more. So yeah, nothing, nothing, nothing at all.
Nothing at all. Nothing at all. Nothing at all. It's the best way. Definitely the best way.
Nice. Let's be free and easy. It's all, it's all good, it's all good. At one point, we see
Wilbur drink soup out of a tin. You ever drank soup out of a tin? No, no. Cold soup has got to be
like, it's disgusting. Like, it's supposed to be, yeah. And that's just a spatula, but otherwise

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it's disgusting. I didn't pause to see what it was. I mean, it was a tin-acamble soup, so I presume
it was like, you have chicken or something, or, yeah, it was horrible. Yeah, no, it's disgusting.
Not a fan of that. Not a fan. No. And I, I, I am a soup guy. I do like a soup. Yeah. Yeah,
like, like a good soup. Yeah. But no, I'm not sure why he's drinking it. Again, it's just one of these
little sort of ideal syncratic moments in the movie. You know, there's no reason whatsoever why

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Campbell should be drinking, why Campbell, why Wilbur should be drinking super-atint. You know what I mean?
There's no reason at all why he should stand on his head. Why they should have the kids birthday
party in a bookshop with no music. And it's just a little bit of a kidsol kind of hanging around in
the bookshop. You know what I mean? But yet they said it was the best party they'd ever been to
because Harbour threw up and they, they're going to try and get all that people, the, what,

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the other girls is going to try and get her bad to throw up all over her birthday party.
And of course, you do have the, with the bookshop, the annoying customer that always comes in looking
for a Kipling and stuff, which is, is, is a nice little callback that he keeps going back in Wilbur.
Like that guy is so fucking annoying. It's, it's a nice little kind of touch points as well of

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just showing that I guess there are customers that come into the shop but there's the one guy
and then there's the random guy that comes in just to sell those two books from a pint and
how these, you know, I don't know if that was to maybe show a moment between Wilbur and Alice
because when he's like your husband, well yeah, boyfriend then whatever, does he want to look at them
and maybe that was, I did wonder if there was going to go something further with that of Alice

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being confused or a joke about oh, you know, he thought we were together but kind of doesn't get
touched upon really that that scene. Yeah, but no last kind of beginning of the track of Wilbur's
attraction I think isn't it? Yeah, I tell you what, I tell you what, I fucking love, love to own a
bookshop. Yeah, yeah, a bookshop or a record shop or even like a video game shop, just any kind of

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shop selling something that I like. Yeah, I agree with you that would be my kind of, it would be,
yeah exactly the same as you, a bookshop or record shop, video game shop or a toy shop would be
exactly. Yeah, yeah exactly. But then a toy shop, you've got a cater for all the stuff as well,
that's the problem so, you know, you can't just exclusively go wrestling figures and turtles and

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stuff to have. You'll go spister, you know, poke them on and like, yeah, manga stuff in there as well.
Fucking funcopops, yeah, hundreds of funcopops. I was thinking about this last night because I was in
an Irish pub in Dubai for a night out and the music that was being played in the pub was music that I

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quit like and I thought, fuck an hell, I'd love to be, how cool would it be to be like a DJ and a
pub just playing music that you like? But the thing is, I could only play music that I liked.
You know, if anybody come up and, if somebody come up and ask me for a song that I didn't like,
I'd be like, yeah, I'm not playing that. Just to say no, I don't, I don't have it and then of course,
nowadays everyone can have everything. You can't do that anymore, yeah. No.

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You've kind of screwed actually, you're right. Yeah, you'd have to just play the music you like.
Speaking of which, the music in this film is also very good. It's quite wistful at times. The
opening scene where Will Burr is taking pills and trying to get his head in the oven, just this
lovely wistful music playing in the background. Can you play okay? What's happening here? This is

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quite nice. I like this, but yeah, good choice in some of the music and it did evoke quite a lot of
emotions and especially at the end as well when they're in the graveyard. Yeah, yeah, little points.
I think it did. I was a big fan of the music in here, yeah. I've never, ever watched a film or a tv show
with a love triangle where I've wanted it to kind of work out well for everybody. You know what I mean?

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You know, like when you think about the tragedy of Harbour's character, you know what I mean? He's
just got married. It's in the feels that he's just got married. He's in any dies of terminal cancer.
He dies knowing that his brother has been sleeping with his wife. Yeah. And yet it's still that very
last shot of them walking across the graveyard after being at Harbour's grave and talking about

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you know having a wedding in the Chinese restaurant again and or will we just get a takeaway and
everything? You know what I mean? It's all, it's against all odds. It shouldn't be a happy ending,
but somehow it's a happy ending. You know what I mean? Does it make any sense? Yeah, it's just kind of
like that's it. They're now there about to go and get on with their lives and start the next chapter.
In fact it's kind of, it's refreshing when a film tries to sub their like sort of the stereotypical

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tropes and actually pulls it off. You know what I mean? And it works, you know, like I think it's not
something that you would necessarily get in like a Hollywood film. I think there's too many people
involved, I think, in big Hollywood films. Like, oh no, this character has to end up this way or

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this has to happen. That has to happen. I think one of the joys of independent films, I think particularly
you repeat independent film is, you know, like they don't, when the writers and the filmmakers,
they don't feel like they have to make a film satisfy an audience, you know what I mean? Because I'm
sure is satisfying as I found the end of this film. I don't doubt the way people that

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make fame that quite unsatisfying, you know? Which is fine, you know, a film is their subjective thing.
But yeah, it was just that it was, I was surprised that how happy I was for everybody at the end
of the film, you know, just felt like everything was going to be okay. I think it may be because they
don't, okay, they are having an affair, but it doesn't glamorize it. You can tell they're both ashamed

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of what they're doing, but they just, they know it's wrong. And neither of them want a heart harbor,
but they just have to give in to it. And it's, you know, they're not bad people, really,
although Wilbur is selfish times, but I think it's like they're both wounded and just need some comfort.
And that's why it's, it's difficult to demonize them in a way of what they're doing. And that's why

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we at the end, you are kind of happy that everything's, everything's worked out, you know, obviously
harbors passed away, but things are going to be okay for everyone else, hopefully. Yeah, yeah,
maybe split our four grand in the bookshop, so that should keep it open for another couple of weeks.
Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, just a partner now. So yeah, exactly, exactly.

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So anything else you want to mention about Wilbur's trying to kill himself?
What do you think so? I kind of covered most of it. Anything from your side?
No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I mean, I was, I'll be honest, like, I wasn't
being looked forward to watching the film. So it's always nice to be presently surprised. And I think

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if you haven't seen this film, we've obviously ruined it for you know, but I would urge it to go out
and watch it if you haven't seen it. Was it, was it the title when I told you that put you off
instantly? Well, it didn't put me off as such. I just, I was kind of like, oh, fucking hell, what's,
you know, doesn't suddenly come off. But you know, I should have, you could you seen it before?

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Is this first time you've seen it? No, man, first time I'd seen it. I was aware of it purely because I
think looking up Jamie's eyes, probably for guilt, right? So I was aware of it a couple of years ago.
I'd first heard about it and I'd found it online and had kind of bookmarked it. And it was one of
those I'd always thought about coming back to and for some reason just never had and it just, I don't

(01:22:35):
know why it just felt kind of a few of the same. You have things that you think I need to do that at
some point and then it just like, right, okay, I'm going to do that. We'll do that for this next episode.
So yeah, that was the reason I picked it. I think maybe because we had not Jamie Sives and anything
for a while and or Shirley Henderson and thought it would be good to kind of have a look. And it's
always nice when it's something now that I was have seen as well that we could we can talk about it.

(01:22:58):
So I'm glad I could pick it and I'm really glad I enjoyed it. I don't think it's going to be a film
I'll watch again and again, but maybe revisit at some point, but it's definitely a film I'm very glad
that I've watched and that I'm glad could introduce you to. And I certainly hope introduce some listeners
too as well. Absolutely. So let's put Wilbur once they kill himself through our Svallia Awards.

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The first award would usually be the Bobby the Barman award for the best pub. But the close
to them we've got to have pub is the Chinese restaurant, right? Yeah, I had Chinese restaurant or I
mean horse's office with the Jack Daniels, but not pubs. So no, there's no pubs in it. So no.
Next one then, the James Cosmo award for being in everything Scottish.

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Surely Henderson. You remember Shirley Henderson? I remember Jamie Sives.
Oh really, okay, I guess it could be either really, but I think to your point, I think Shirley Henderson
is a bit more prolific. And it's just certainly was when this film was released. You know, it's
a lot of stuff, both north and south of the border. Next one, the Francis beg be a award for

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gratuitous swearing. I mean, the day that telling a wee-boy to fuck off, stop being funny.
It's the delivery of it as well. It's just unexpected. Completely. Yeah, that's what I went for as well.
Tell them to fuck off and calling him a Nancy boy. It's just, it's so unexpected and just maybe laugh so much.

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Next then, the J. McQuillan Your Tees Out Award for Southern Ingrituruth's Violence.
I fit, apart from the times when Wilbur is track mitzvahside, I feel the gentle film,
really, it's not. Yeah, the worst I could really find or think of was Harbour Puking on Fatima's dress.

(01:24:51):
Because Fatima had been a bit of a dick up until that point, so I thought it was kind of deserved.
There's Golden Party Throck. Next one, the Yume Gregor Award for gratuitous nudity. There's only
really Harbour at the kind of side of the bath when after Wilbur's cut his wrists. Yes, that's it. You

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do get to see Little Harbour, so it's, yeah, I'd put that down, but that's really it, really.
It's a Little Harbour of Jettie. He gets to see his Jettie. He gets to see Harbour's Jettie.
And then the next one, archetypal Scottish moment. I'm interested to hear what you picked for us.
I went, there's a scene where Wilbur and Harbour in the kitchen and Wilbur's drinking a can of

(01:25:39):
iron brew and on his over his shoulder on the counter is a bag of Scottish blend tea bags.
I went with that. Yeah, that's pretty good. Well, you mentioned it earlier. There is something about,
whenever I meet anybody from an ethnic minority in Glasgow, particularly in Glasgow, who has

(01:26:01):
adopted the vocal accent, it always really makes me smile. And we've got a friend called Milka
in Glasgow and she's from Nigeria. She's from Nigeria and her accent is African accent, but she's
been in Glasgow for such a long time that she does have some inflections in the way she says

(01:26:22):
some things that are very Glasgow region. There was something about that Chinese waiter. It's just
absolutely brilliant. You know what I mean? Because he's still, he's still got a bit of an Asian
tone in his accent. He's not like 100% Ouija. He's just got enough of
a kind of Asian tone in his accent combined with his Glasgow region.

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It's like when I was a kid in the Italian, there was the old Italian guy who had a screen
van, so they'd been in Glasgow and they still had a bit of that melodic Italian in their accent,
but they were really Ouija. So that just felt really Scottish to me. I liked it. Yeah.
Yeah, I was good with that. Yeah. No, it was just wonderful. Just maybe burst out laughing, which

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I felt bad about for a little bit, but then you've described it very well there, I think. So yeah,
no, I don't think you'd feel bad about it. I think it's fine. You know what I mean? It would be,
you know, my daughters have lived in the Middle East for almost 10 years now, so their accents
are weird sort of transatlantic accents that go with being Scottish and American,

(01:27:32):
but a little bit English and stuff that's, I guess it's the same experience for anybody when they move
to a new country, right? Okay. And then the last one, that's the word then, the big time awards,
the Sean Coindy award, who wins the film for you. I had to give it to Adrian Rawlings.
Yeah, for a purely, I think, as explained earlier, Jamie Syves is great, but Rawlings delivers a

(01:28:00):
more rounded kind of extreme in parts, performance and his, yeah, I just thought he was fantastic in
this and could us for the Scottish accent as well. Yeah, excellent. Very good. But if you had to
watch, Wilbur, what's the Kevin Cell if it is on iTunes? You can, you can buy it for $2.99,
or you can rent it for $1.99 if you're an Apple merchant. I'm sure you'll find that on Amazon if it's

(01:28:25):
on iTunes. Yeah, wonderful. Get it, get it, get it, watch it. Right then. Well, that was Wilbur
wants to kill himself, which was my choice. So why don't you tell us what we're going to be watching
next time on the culture, Swallygric? Well, I am so excited for this. I can't tell you, right?
I've got an idea. You didn't tell me what it is, but you did say where I could find it,
and I've got a fair idea what it's going to be. But let's go. Well, I don't know. You may be

(01:28:50):
surprised. So over the last, when I was a kid on the TV, there was, it's quite famous. There was an
adaptation of John Windom's The Day of the Triffids, right? And I remember seeing bits of it when I was
a little kid, and it scared the absolute fucking bjz us out of me, right? Because it should have
repeated a few times. And so I watched it, I rewatched it all over the last couple of weeks, and I

(01:29:12):
really enjoyed it. And the obsessive part of my nature, of course, not enough just to watch
Day of the Triffids. I have to know everything about everybody who's in it. You know, and all that
kind of sort of thing. And it brought me to something that came out at the same time, 1981, same year,
the year you were born. It stars James Warrick, Celia Emory, Morris Roves, Tom Watson, James Cosmo.

(01:29:39):
And it is the BBC television's The Nightmare Man based on the book Child of Vody and Oye. I've
never seen it. I'm told that by people who are into these going to scarred for life type things,
that it's very, very good. It's available to watch on Daily Motion, if you want to watch it before,

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well, you obviously don't need to watch it before we record, but if you want to watch it before you
hear it, it'll help. If you want to watch it before we talk about it, it's a four-parter. The book was
written by David Wilkshire, but the TV shows written by Robert Holmes, who was a prolific writer
on Doctor Who in the 1970s. So yeah, I fucking cannot wait to watch this. Okay, yeah. This

(01:30:25):
sounds very interesting. I'll look forward to that. What a cast. I imagine that you weren't expecting me to
pick a latin. I was not expecting you to pick that at all. No, I was expecting you to pick something
with James Cosmo in it, but it's not that. I can tell you that for sure. Wow, okay. The Nightmare Man

(01:30:47):
from 1981. Okay, that is a very deep cut. You might have bad dreams. I'm supposed to be super scary
by 1980s standards, which often are more frightening than 24 century standards, but I'll
get me forward to seeing that. Yeah. Okay, well, I'll let you know if I
push the bed or anything and have Nightmare, so I'll blame you. I'll send the bill for the sheet

(01:31:09):
to you after the next episode. Brilliant. Looking forward to that. Fantastic. Okay.
Right. Well, thank you very much for listening. Everyone. I hope you enjoyed the show. If you'd like
to get in touch with us on anything you've seen in the news or anything you'd like us to cover on
the podcast or if you just want to drop us a line and say hello, you can email us cultureswalley@gmail.com.

(01:31:30):
You can follow us on Insta @cultureswalleypod or on X, formerly known as Twitter @swalleypod.
And we have a wonderful website as well. Don't we, Greg? We do. You can find us at cultureswalley.com
for links to other socials or email, some blog posts and articles about Scottish
media and pop culture. And I'm wondering if maybe, obviously, you know, I don't maybe we'd

(01:31:55):
need to consider going on to Blue Sky or Threads, just Twitter seems to be the home of the right.
I did see something about Blue Sky picking up a little bit, so yeah, maybe you need to have a look at
that. I'll put it all on my to-do list for the next week to try and start up our social media, but
yeah, I think X is a bit of a cesspit, so maybe we are on Threads, we just never use it, but I think

(01:32:19):
maybe we should... I wonder if the first stuff gets posted to Threads anyway, automatically, because
of course, it's not an Instagram, so it does click also automatically to Facebook as well. I think it
was the all-the-meta platforms. Okay, well, we'll have a look into that. We can discuss that off.
Great! Well, enjoy the rest of your weekend, Greg. It's an exciting plant. No, I have to fly

(01:32:41):
to Saudi Arabia tomorrow evening. I've got a meeting first thing on Monday morning, but otherwise,
just a restful weekend, I think, this chill out at home. Very nice. That sounds very... Watch the
nightmare, man. Yeah, definitely. Sounds very good. Oh, wonderful. Okay. Right, well, okay. I hope you
don't have any bad dreams in Saudi there, now after watching the nightmare, man. If I do it,

(01:33:01):
we'll be because of the nightmare, man. It's a quiz, man. I'm fucking Saudi Arabia. And I'll look
forward to discuss that with you. Till next time! Till next time! Hey, what was that?
Well, I just thought I saw some cream on it. You just liked my ear? Yeah, I just liked your ear.
I could have bought a dog if I wanted my earl-hacked. Get up here yourself.

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