Episode 123 - Wild Rose (2018) - The Culture Swally

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Hello and welcome to the Culture Swally, a podcast dedicated to Scottish news and pop culture.
My name is Nicky and I'm joined as always by the man who has three pumps and the truth tattooed on his forearm.
It's Greg. How are you today buddy? Three pumps and the truth. Three pumps and the truth.
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you love your life but...
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Three pumps and a taxi home, more like...
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You wanted to get that but you were in too much pain with all the words so you just got true since then.
Yeah, how are you doing man, all good?
All good, yeah.
It feels like ages since I've spoken to you.
It was because we're... but I'm not really a schedule because I had to go away the weekend that we would...

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I know I came back, I had to wait and I was waiting for a week and I came back the weekend that we would normally record.
So we're actually sort of three or four days late which means it's been with ten days since the last spoke.
Did we not record early as well or am I making that up?
Did we record on the Friday night or something?
Yes, Friday.
Yeah, we took advantage of the Ramadan timings, we did.

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We did, at least.
Yeah, so it has been, yeah, it has been about like 11 days.
And at least this weekend the clocks are changing so we'll only be two hours apart from each other for future episodes which makes it a lot easier.
Does, that hour makes all the difference.
It certainly does, yeah everything good with you?
Yes, all as well here.
I bought my wife a Chinese car a few weeks ago.

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Because Chinese cars are big business hidden by.
Yeah, so cheek parts.
Yeah, she's gone from my Volkswagen to a GAC.
It's not really GAC, it's a GAC.
But okay, so she's not sure about it.
She was, you know, as usual.
I don't say typical woman because that makes me sound like an old carmudgeon-y shauvinist.

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But she went away off to see it. Of course the interior, it's got a few bells and missiles and things.
It's got like air-conditioned seats and stuff like that so she was immediately, immediately smitten with it.
And then after driving it for, I think it's been about two, three weeks now, she's missing her Volkswagen.
Oh, well, it just doesn't feel the same.

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But, you know, I mean, I'm going to drive it.
We're going down to Abitamborol, as you know it's about 45 minutes in a word, something like that down there.
So I'll be the longest I've driven it.
I've dipped it in the shops and it stopped, I don't really driven it, driven it, you know what I mean?
So, I mean, yeah, feels bad, but it's fine.
I'm not like a big car guy, as long as it goes and it's a decent ride, you know what I mean?

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It's a, if you're part of the expression, I'm kind of fine with that.
You know, I don't need to take a big fancy car.
And like evidently, the rest of my X-PAT peers in the human Dubai.
Yeah.
Oh, well, I'm sure.
Well, we'll look forward to your review of the GACC, and she's driven it for 45 minutes on the next episode.
Would you remind the listeners what you drove for a number of years when you lived in Dubai?

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It's a golf GTI.
And before that?
And a Jeep Wrangler.
And between that?
I don't, I'm Dodge Challenger.
I do, I mean, I do like those, I do like them, but they're, they're quite expensive.
I don't know, you're the only person I really know that's had one, so I don't know what the reputation is like, so for reliability and stuff.

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But they are cool.
They never let me down.
The pure reason was I sold my Jeep and I was going to get another Jeep.
And then I thought, I don't know.
And then I decided I was going to get the Volkswagen adjust relaunch the Shorocco.
Right.
And I was going to get the Shorocco.
And there was a guy I worked with.
It was a British guy.
And I remember him saying to me, you could have a Shorocco at home, get something you couldn't have at home.

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Yeah, yeah.
And I was like, you know what, I'm going to get a new Jeep.
So I went to the dealership and it just so happens that Jeep and Dodge were the same dealership.
And I walked through the sales people were busy.
I walked through and I saw this Challenger and I was like, I've always wanted one of these.
Like they're just so fucking cool.
It's the same price as the Jeep.
And yeah, got the weeks later.

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I went and collected my new Dodge Challenger.
Did you have the monologue from a vanishing point running through your head when you were the connoisseur?
Yeah, it comes the Challenger.
No, I did.
I love that car.
It was ridiculous.
It was ridiculous.
It was nice.
People moved out your way.
And she said, I had roads when you were coming behind them.
I remember being in it once.

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One of those, there was a guy in your body who had a Shelby Dodge charger, which is slightly bigger, slightly bigger model.
It was quite nice.
It was quite nice.
But it had like, the Shelby Cobra logo everywhere, the connigirus slick.
It was even ostentatious.
But it was a nice car.
Very nice.
Yeah.
Oh, Mr.
Oh, well, never mind.

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Never mind.
Yes, that's car chat.
That's car corner.
Yeah, car corner.
Confection corner, car corner.
Yeah.
Who knows what will come up with in the next episode to chat about?
Indeed.
In our wonderful intro.
Well, it has been such a long time since we've spoken.
So, should we have a catch-up in what's been happening in Scotland over the last couple of weeks?

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Surely, jingle.
Hello!
This is the Outdoor Heavilys Broadcasting Corporation.
And here is what's been going on in the new...
Oh, okay, Greg.
What have you seen in the last couple of weeks you'd like to share with me and our lovely listeners?
Well, big news from the world of Scottish soaps.

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Or Scottish soaps.
So, I think we've only got one these days.
Basically, River City is going to be disappearing from our screens in autumn next year for overseas listeners.
River City is, I think, the only Scottish soap opera that's been running for about 20, 23 years, 22 years, something like that.

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It's on the BBC, the London-centric BBC.
And, essentially, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's days are numbered.
So, this headline comes from the daily record on the 26th of March.
It's River City actors join campaign to save the iconic BBC Scotland soap from the axe.
BBC Scotland bosses confirmed that the show will come to an end in autumn, 20, 26 after more than 20 years on our screens.

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This week, some of the actors in crew impacted by the decision, by the decision.
Join local MSPs on the Dumbarton set to support the Save the River City campaign, which has been set up by the actor's union equity.
Some of the show's iconic faces, including actor Steven Purdon who has played Bobo Harrah, also known as Shellsuit Bob.
And, joined Jackie Bailey, Neil Bibby and Pam Duncan Glancey to back the campaign.

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Every time I see him out, I'll never, I'll always remember that night, beheading the garage when we met them.
And, in Glasgow, and then I saw him, I saw him the next night in my work with his girlfriend who obviously didn't know that he was out in a fucking st-at, in a ver-t-in-the-stuck-and-right-in.
They held up plaque-ards display in the Save River City message outside the soap-siconic pub, the tall ship.

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The show is set in the fictional town of Shield Inge, but it's actually filmed on a custom set at Lomongate in Dumbarton.
Following the announcement that the show will come to an end, equity, the UK performing arts and entertainment trade union, called in BBC Scotland to reverse the decision.
Calling the move "short-sighted" and a disaster for Scottish television, equity says the move would have a disproportionately negative impact on Scottish performers.

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Comments in last week, the equity general secretary, Paul W Fleming, don't know why he wanted the initial freeze-middle name to be mentioned, said, but it's probably because there's a Paul Fleming who's been a member of equity longer than him, who had the move, so he's had to be Paul W Fleming.
This short-sighted move from BBC Scotland would be a disaster for Scottish television.

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River City is a well-wobbed staple of TV schedules. It's a successful Scottish production which should be celebrated, not decimated.
Aksing River City would have a devastating effect on acting and production roles for Scottish talent.
There is simply no equivalent to a regular soap for getting your foot in the door of this notoriously cutthroat industry, especially for the many aspiring actors from working class backgrounds.

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The regular opportunities and wages simply do not exist in other show formats.
Hobie City, Doctors, River City, these cuts to members jobs are being made without a long-term strategy from the BBC.
Every penny from those productions should stay in producing scripted drama with significant casts, not funneled into cheap reality or factual TV.

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The best way to do that is to keep River City running for the audiences who love it. BBC Scotland must rethink this move and take action to safeguard investment in domestic Scottish continuing drama.
Back to the union supporting staff from freelancers across the creative industries echoed the calls for a rethink.
The head of Back to for the Patryl said the closure of River City is incredibly disheartening.

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The loss of such a long-running production is devastating for the workers impacted and the local industry.
The production served as a good training ground for industry talent and provided important work opportunities for TV crew in Scotland.
It's hugely disappointing to see creative jobs lost in Scotland, a place which reflects the fantastic diversity the BBC should be representing.

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Many of those who work in River City are freelancers for whom this news will be a particular blow given the ongoing uncertainty in the UK's production sector, amplicarius employment prospects.
I suppose that the sort of continued rise of streaming is maybe part of the problem, right?
Because the days of the National Grid spiking when programmes like Coronation Street had a big event or whatever it might be or extenders had a big event, I think those days are pretty much numbered, aren't they?

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I think everyone just watches on Cat Shop now or I think it is a demise of soaps effectively that I know like Holly Oaks is no longer on Channel 4, I think it's on E4 or something.
Yeah, it was news this week like Blue Peter is no longer going to be live, it's going to be recorded.
I think the big soap event is probably gone now and there's just too much choice out there and people will dip in and out and variably people just watch it the next day or something or watch the main clip on YouTube.

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So I do think it has suffered a little bit and yeah it's a huge shame that River City is going, it's an iconic show.
That's a shame, I mean the BBC have said that it's about value for money for the audience, we're not cutting our drama spend in Scotland.
In fact, we'll increase it to around £95m over the next three years but the Dumbart and Leese on the studio is coming to an end next year.

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And the overriding factor has been an audience driven one so to your point I guess people are tuning in in the same numbers as they were before. I think I read somewhere the week that even Coronation Street is registered in the amount of times at some TV.
I think it's going back.
Yeah, because when I was a little boy it was only on Monday night and Wednesday night and when I've been home over the last few years it seems to be on Monday Wednesday and Friday and sometimes if there's like a big story line that's on every night of the week.

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So they are cutting back and I think Emerdale is doing the same.
So yeah I think we were looking for something to watch a few weeks ago and it's really really difficult.
You know what I mean? Because there's so much to watch.
Yeah, I've got Netflix, we've got Disney Plus in the house, we've got OSN which is the sort of Middle East HBO screener.

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So it shows all the HBO stuff as you know and also movies and it's a pretty decent platform.
And we've got Apple TV and I've got that IP TV and you would think all that choice and I can I can I'll troll through for hours and just end up watching Bullseye on challenge or something like that.
Yeah, it's really difficult to choose anything to watch.

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Exactly.
Yeah, you kind of go back to what you know.
I'm very similar in terms of yeah, I've kind of just finished those severance last episodes on this week and I'm like, right, what do I watch now?
And there's too much choice. I've been watching the In-betweeners again for like the sixth time because it's easy.

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And I still fucking laugh.
But yeah, there's just too much choice I think now it is.
I mean, I think about River City obviously being from Aberdeen.
I always think a Joyce Falkner.
Yeah, playing Rochene.
Because she was just such an iconic character and she was, she was like the Aberdeen pan to as well.

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But and then I was thinking I'll call it like Larry Macintosh was in River City for a long time as well.
I've just had a lick on the IMDB page and I am shocked at some of the names of people that have been in River City.
And you're like, these aren't, these are actors that have maybe been, and we've discussed this before on this valley.
Like I read an article and I meant to send this to you or I meant to share on the pod.

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And it was from like maybe 80 months ago and it was Matt Castello.
And he was speaking about how he was working as a fork lift truck driver to effectively like pay the bills because he was in between jobs.
And he did get in the fact that he'd been on Wonder Woman 84 of course Castello always does.
But it struck me that that's a interesting that you know that there's nowhere for actors to kind of go in terms of stuff like this.

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And like I had a look through as a list on Wikipedia of some of the actors that have been on River City over the years.
And it just astounded me of like some of the names that have been on there.
Obviously you have the likes of Jay Johnson for example, but then there's people that have been in River City that kind of shocked me like Andy Gray.
I remember him being in River City.

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And then you've got like Eileen McCallum, of course, Lorraine McIntosh, William Ruin.
Morris Roves was in River City playing Barbara Rafferties' husband.
I think there was a story arc. John Morrison was in River City. Steve McColl is been in River City.
But you ensure as well. But the ones that really surprised me was like Simon Webb from Blue was in River City.

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Would support a time. And do you remember Stefan Dennis was in River City for I think for about a year he was in.
Fucking Paul Robinson from Neighbors.
Yeah, I do remember playing a villainous doctor I believe with my memory serves.
Yeah, he was like a shocking. I mean neighbors pop career.

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I think you feel good and turn up in fucking River City. It's incredible.
So it is such a shame because we don't really have anything now like that.
I mean, what are the actors going to do now? River City is gone. Tiger it's gone.
That used to always be the joke about if you've been in Tiger.
Same I guess is UK wide. You know, people it was the bill that people cut their teeth in.

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Yeah. What are Scottish actors going to do now? What are they going to be in? There's no River City.
Well, I've said it before. I think it would be not just tonight.
I think it would be great if something like a play for today were to come back.
You know, because we've covered like some great plays for today that were filming Scotland.

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Like just a boys game just another Saturday. You know, I think between just a boys game just another Saturday.
Maybe half the list that you mentioned just there were on were in those programs.
You know what I mean? And it's a shame that it's a shame that we don't get that anymore because I think that was also good for creative people as well.

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Because, you know, like, right, like a lot of really famous television writers got the start on a play for today guys like him.
Well, will they rustle Peter McDougall famously? So yeah, I think I'd be good.
You know, I think I'd be really good to see that come back.
But I don't know if that's more expensive than a regular so per less expensive, I'm not sure.
And I'm asking it would be because obviously you're just filming one off shows.

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But you surely the BBC would see things like the success of like inside number nine.
And hey, is it next month the series seven of black mirrors coming out?
And okay, that's right. Not on BBC scale because obviously it's a huge production.
But the success of black mirror and inside number nine has to show there is a demand for something like this.
And a need for something like this. It's an incredible format.

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And something that you're right is long forgotten. And I think needs to come back.
Yeah, be watching because like in say number nine sort of started I think the year that I moved away from the UK.
I've seen like the odd episode here and there, but I haven't really really watched it.
So I've been working my way through it. And I think it's a good example of, I mean, that's on the BBC.

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I'm funded by the BBC. And I mean, I'm sort of astounded is because almost every single episode is really clever.
And it's Steve Pemberton and Reese Shearsmith who write it, who write all the stories and put it all together and stuff.
And they're all very different. But I think it's a great example of what the BBC can do.

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Yeah, I can't imagine that maybe some episodes of it may be quite expensive, but the Bernie Clifton's dressing room one.
I mean, that's just a two hander of those two guys acting opposite each other, like an assort of village hall.
You know, the one with the crackers and cheese.
Yeah, you know, so I can't imagine that that one would be as expensive as maybe some of the other ones that they did over the years.

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So I'm trying to think out, because I mean, I've watched every episode of inside number nine probably about twice.
And I would say I think the vast majority of episodes are all in one set and one setting.
Yeah, it's, yeah, it all filmed like in a flat or in a dressing room or in a call center or in a train carriage or in a hotel corridor.

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And yeah, they wouldn't be that expensive. You just hire that for a week. You know, the episode and it's done. It's probably cheaper than building a pub.
Yeah, it was apartments and yeah, street, yeah, probably, yeah, in the long run. So yeah, I don't know.
But it's something that I think needs to come back. You're right.
Well, you know, it's a long time until autumn, twenty-twenty-six. So let's see what happens. Maybe, maybe the BBC will have a change of heart.

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Yeah.
Well, let's wait and see. I wouldn't hold your breath. Anyway, it's my first story this week. What is, what's your first story?
Well, I'll jump in with Greg with a story about a new Scottish TV show.
So we'll give the BBC flag. This is STV. They're obviously committing to new Scottish talent and new Scottish shows.

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This is from the STV website last week. A former Glasgow Bouncer has created written and starred in a gritty gangland drama on STV player despite having zero filmmaking experience.
This is what we're here about. This is what we're wanting to talk about, Greg.
Anton O'Donnell came up with the idea for a 45 minute film while working on the doors of bars on Glasgow's Sucky Hall Street.

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John Crete Jungle tells the story of emerging Glasgow gangster Jamie McGregor, who, when double-crossed in a drug deal, must use any means necessary to repay a huge debt.
Under immense pressure from a ruthless underworld boss to recover the stolen money, Jamie turns to his family, the only people he can trust for help.

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Two weeks to repay the debt and a chilling threat to his life if he doesn't, Jamie is forced to carefully navigate a treacherous world of deception and danger with the unforgiving streets of Glasgow as the backdrop.
Crete Jungle has already shot to the top of the STV player's most watch chart and is the former Bouncer's passion project.
He had no prior filmmaking experience and a 39-year-old from Paisley co-directed an executive-produced concrete jungle himself and stars is the main character.

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He told STV news, "I always felt shows like the sopranos and the wire hadn't been done in Glasgow properly."
That's probably a reason for that.
The set is got that heart to it.
Glasgow was missing something, so he's saying that Glasgow has got the heart of New Jersey in Baltimore to drug deals and mobsters.

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I'm not saying that.
I spent many long nights writing away and I'd watched some of the shows in the TV and I thought that my idea was better.
A lot of people told me I was wasting my time in my money, but because it was my first time doing it, I had that naivety, delusion and the drive to do it myself.

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I was working 18-hour days between two jobs and I wanted to film the pilot in a week.
That was seven years ago.
I heard two talented lads to help me bring my vision to life, cinematographer Brian McIntyre and co-director Graham Watt, who also edited the film.
I realised in the first day it was going to be harder than I thought, but I came home high as a kite, I was obsessed about it 24 hours a day.

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The response has been unbelievable to have the back in the STV player and to be able to share the pilot with a wider audience is a dream come true.
And I hope to continue Jamie's story and make more episodes in the future.
Oh, so he's made it as a pilot, then.
Yeah, it's a 45-minute pilot on STV player.
A TikTok account was set up early this month to promote concrete jungles launch and it is comments describe it as "River City meets the craze."

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Which...
Sounds amazing. I haven't watched it, but I really want to see this show now.
Richard Williams, Manchin Director of Digital STV, said, "Along with major soaps, dramas and sporting events,
it's hugely important for us at STV to bring back a to back brilliant homegrown independent filmmaking and concrete jungle fits that bill to a tee."

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Antelun has created a compelling story with multi-dimensional characters and relatable glass-wee gen dialogue and admiral-a-blocked his vision to work on the screen through sheer tenacity and hard work.
We're delighted to give concrete jungle a home on STV player and continue STV's legacy of supporting emerging talent across Scotland. Fuck you BBC."

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I, my hat, comes off so much to Anton. He has come up with an idea. He says he's... People said he was daft and you know, that would be people's first reaction.
Like, "Oh, come on, you're never going to get a TV show made, Anton. Come on, stick to doing the doors."
He's fucking done it. Anton, fair play to you, my hat comes off to you and I can't wait to watch concrete jungle. I'm really excited about watching it. It sounds great.

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River City meets the craze. I got a lot of respect for that, you know, because it's not that easy to...
It's never been easy to get something made that you've come up with yourself, but to get something made and actually make it yourself.
You know what I mean? And get it on a platform and everything else. Like, you know, in STV, I mean, basically Scotland's channel three.

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Yes, so... Yeah, that's great. We really... Absolutely. Chuffed a bit, so far.
Yeah, no, I'm really pleased, really pleased for him. So, Anton, I'm sure we'll watch it and I wouldn't be surprised if we do do concrete jungle at some point on the culture, Swally.
Yeah, we're an expound, so we're gonna give that a very good review, obviously, in case you come in and stovar, yeah.

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Yeah, so you let us in the next time we turn up at the garage or whatever.
But yeah, it just shows that hard work pays off, that he's had this idea, he's come up with it. And, you know, fair play, I don't...
We spoke about that earlier, you're saying there's nothing to watch. He's been sitting watching stuff and then, "Can I do better than this?"
And he's fucking done it. It's funny, it's funny I mentioned in New Jersey, because I went to New Jersey last week for...

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Hmm, like, an afternoon to look at some bits and bobs for work. Yeah. And it's a fucking bland place.
Yeah, you kind of go through the hole in Tunnel from New York and you come out in, I think it's Jersey City, that you actually come out in this...
It's like you've crossed continents. You know what I mean, it really is. Yeah. But, I know, good for him.
I thought, you know, never really had like a... You know, because Glasgow, unfortunately, has always had a bit of a reputation as a city where...

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I was doing my research for this week's news. There seems to be like a big sort of gang, land, sort of violence and vendetta and stuff going on right here in the moment.
But, it's always had that, unfortunately, it's always had that sort of stigma about it. So, you know, we've had like a wall of...
...vondon-based gangland shows over the years. I think we've even had Liverpool as well, but we've never really had one set in Glasgow.

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Like a proper sort of gangster sort of drama, you know? So, yeah, I'm interested to see this.
What you'll find is you'll get a lot of in those English shows, you'll get a lot of Glasgow hard men. I mean, the funniest part about...
I guess, has to be, um, Bricksite when they had the tough Glasgow gangster column, and it was played by Gerard Kelly.

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Like, that's fucking hilarious, but he was fucking brilliant, that's it.
He was a ruthless gangster. Gerard and Kelly. They then call them Kelly the comedian for nothing. He was amazing.
Yeah, you will find... You know, pop-up is like a gangster in EastEnders as well.
He might have done that. Yeah, probably.

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I think it did. Some sort of rami with film it, sure, I think. Probably, yeah.
That's a...
...pastinona.
Yeah, you always get kind of the Glasgow hard man that pops up in these shows, but yeah, it makes sense to have like a gritty sort of gangster show set in Glasgow.
Yeah, because it does have a bit of an underworld, so... Yeah, really excited towards concrete jungle.

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So, I say once again, good on your hands on.
The only thing is... He did see Peter.
He played the villainous Jimmy in EastEnders, and the villainous Calum Finnegan in Bricksite, three years later.
The only thing is, you know, for knowing like... or knowing a little bit of people who are very, very, very much on the fringe, they say very much on the fringe of the sort of Glasgow underworld.

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Like, fucking, you know that if there was a series like that, setting Glasgow, these guys have been a pub going, "Oh, that was based on something that my cousin did that time."
So, that was something that, yeah, that is based on something that I did and my dad did and all that sort of stuff, you know.
That's probably why it would just be so fucking tiresome for everybody in Glasgow.

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Listen to these fucking boring cunts.
Well, yeah, well, there you go.
So, Concrete Jungle is available on STV Player for any of our Scottish listeners or for any listeners that have a VPN and can access the STV Player.
You will have to go up there with Susan Calum and doing a lot of bank ad for this player.
Ah, she's still at, she's still doing them.

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I don't know what it's been a while since I've watched NSV and STV Player, but I do remember that it was, yeah, a lot of Susan Calum in the last time I was there.
I think the last thing I watched on it was Nesta Vipers, the Tiger CD's for that, that's very podcast.
Oh, that was a while ago, yeah, a while ago.
Oh, the Bank of Scotland, they'll get the money's worth it as soon as they come in.

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Anyway, what else have you seen this week, Greg?
Well, from Organised Crime to Petty Crime, this story comes from the Scottish Sun.
The head thane reads, "Hall of a cheek, coke top, Scots DJ, Steels boat, and there's no begging fans for 10 grand to avoid jail."
So this is Martin Dixon.

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He hauled off the Montauk Boston Weyler worth £22,000 from a remote harbor in Faith and then dumped it without its £6,000 engine.
There's a picture of Martin Dixon and he looks like he lives on the streets, to be quite honest.
Doesn't look like someone who makes their money as a DJ, but that way.

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Last week, a sheriff ordered a 52-year-old, which astonishingly is only five years older than I am,
to hand over compensation to Raging Owner Robert Green.
But hours later, Dixon launched an online fundraiser.
He claimed he needed the cash to keep his drum and bass party bus on the road and originally made known to mention of the bizarre heist.

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I think I come 10 grand to take his drum and bass party bus off the fucking road.
I can imagine anything worse.
Traveling drum and bass.
Dixon said, "I have to put my hands out now and ask for some major help, or it's going to be devastating."
I've been in court today and I'm now at the point where the judges tell him a four weeks to get myself 10 grand together

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or spend a long time in jail.
Three years and upwards.
My problem is, I never ask for anything in my whole life.
I love doing what I do and I get plenty of thanks for bringing in love to your town or city for all the big events.
Robert appealed for help after his brand new boat was taken from the fourth cruising club in limestone.

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He told Harry, "Don't even be doubting it once before."
And he was looking forward to a trip out in the boat with his son, Aj-9, and his pal.
Look out.
But the kids were devastated when they turned up and discovered the spot was empty.
Robert said, "We want to bloody hard and save for that boat."
We weren't ensured, thinking we were safe in the village and thinking the CCTV would be enough.

(31:00):
Dixon managed to break the wheel and the engine walks to take the boat.
It was caught on CCTV, towing it away in a silver Range Rover sport in the early hours of the morning.
Just sell your Range Rover.
I'll get you your tingland.
Rob's found that dumped nearby but without the engine.
Officers traced Dixon to his homing glass in brain after the incident in June 2021.

(31:23):
He appeared at Dunferland Sheriff Court last Wednesday for sentencing after earlier admitting theft.
The courier told how his lawyer, Ian Beatson, I think they've left out the words long-suffering between the word lawyer Ian there.
He revealed that DJ has linked to Scotland and had been abusing cocaine at the time of the theft.
Mr Beatson said, "He's completely bewildered as to why he did it."

(31:47):
He cannot provide any motivation other than stupidity on his part.
He very much regrets it.
Social worker suggested that Dixon get unpaid work, which was rejected by beak, soos and duff, I guess the sun means Sheriff.
Yeah, she postponed the decision to give him time to get a bank phone to comfort the compensation.
She said, "I'm not considering following the recommendation in the report, which is ludicrous,

(32:12):
when someone has stolen a boat worth £22,000 and left the owner of the boat with a bill of £10,000."
Dixon was hit with a backlash after the real reason for his fundraiser emerged.
In five days he's taken in just £333 of his £10,000 target.
It's still live, but Dixon suggested he was putting the bus up for sale to cover the compensation.

(32:36):
He said, "I know matey boy lost these boats, so it's only fair I lose my bus matey boy."
"Put the fuck?"
So that's him, Ian Dixon.
Honestly, I mean he looks rough as a badger's arse, so he does.
So did he get far in the boat?
Or... He put the boat on a trailer and towed it away, ripped the engine out and dumped the boat and sold the engine.

(33:05):
It's fucking... I mean... It's hardly a master criminal, like Axe is it?
So, what... No.
His defence was basically, he was coked up when he was doing it.
Yeah, he was being abuse in cocaine. He doesn't know why he did it.
He didn't know his motivation was. He actually his motivation was to get money to buy more cocaine.
Well, yeah, it doesn't take fucking share that Holmes to work that one out, you know?

(33:26):
I mean, I bought a big thing to be stealing. There's quite a lot of work goes into that, so...
Yeah.
I guess he owned her a coke.
The owner had been looking forward to the out in the water with his nine-year-old son and his friend.
Well, now that's a soap story if I heard what that's not true.
I doubt that. That's not true.
Red flag? Yeah, well, I don't know.
Anyway, so yeah, that's Martin Dixon.

(33:50):
I don't know who's getting on with this fundraiser, but I can't imagine that it's going to be going very well now after the Scottish son of...
I think, expose them.
But that's what happens.
That's a typical sort of swalley story, isn't it?
Yeah.
It's just ridiculous crimes.
It's got everything.
A ridiculous crime, drugs, jakey and a food excuse for covering up your crimes.

(34:16):
A jakey and... I think I'll be the funny final sentence with the accused cause of victim meaty boy.
That is a very good, that's a nice little part of the end. I like that.
Very good. I do like that a lot.
Anyway, that's old Martin Dixon. What's your next story this week?
I had a crap story Greg about three iconic Scottish dishes at the risk of extinction, but basically it was because I was struggling for anything else to have on the swalley.

(34:45):
But while we're recording, I have been looking at the Scottish son and a new story has popped up about...
What are you talking about?
We can use them.
We can use them.
We can use them.
The culture of swalley?
It's not really.
It's interesting to me.
I want to cover it.
It's about Pat McAfee, who is an X NFL football star.
He is one of the cool commentators on WWE Monday Night Raw.

(35:06):
And Raw was in Glasgow on Monday night.
And it was very well received and very good.
So this is some of the Scottish son about half an hour ago.
And the headline is very abnormal.
So WWE rolled into Glasgow this week for a huge Monday Night Raw show broadcast live from the Hydro.
But something else caught the eye of top star Pat McAfee.

(35:29):
Entirely.
So there's a whole article going into his background and about things.
So with the days counting down to WrestleMania, they headed to Glasgow for the buildup.
The biggest stars including Cody Rhodes, Seth Rollins, CM Punk and Liv Morgan were in town.
John Cena also made an appearance on his field work tour.
And also appearing was popular broadcaster Pat McAfee.

(35:52):
He became a household name in sports media.
He retired in 2017 after spending eight years with the Indianapolis Colts.
But he also has a show that he does the Pat McAfee show.
And this was released yesterday or today.
He's back in America now.
So yeah, now back in America and hosting his TV program.

(36:13):
McAfee waxed lyrical about his time in Scotland's biggest city.
However, he couldn't help but notice something he described as very abnormal.
That was the fact that he was the only person despite it being a sunny day that was wearing sunglasses.
On the Pat McAfee show he explained, "What a time over there. Shout out to Glasgow.

(36:34):
Active City, the sun was shining every local person I said, "Wow, what a beautiful day."
They said, "Douga, you stay."
I walked...
"Short set, yeah, doorbell."
I walked around for four hours.
A lot of people walking around.
I was the only person with sunglasses on because I don't think they sell them.

(36:56):
There were a couple of people that had these transition lenses.
So I saw a couple of those.
But I was like 15, 20 minutes into the walk and I was like, "Oh, nobody's wearing sunglasses."
Like literally, nobody had sunglasses on and it was perfect sun.
Maybe some vitamins that carried over from the flight or whatever.
And I was like, "Nobody's wearing sunglasses."
This is very interesting.

(37:17):
I had a 45 minute deep thought while I was walking around thinking, "Could I find sunglasses right now if I head to?"
I mean, I'm pretty sure you could pat easily.
Popping a river island or top shop or something, well, not top shop.
But I'm sure you could nip in and get some sunglasses somewhere.
I don't think it's even a thing because it's so abnormal.

(37:38):
And I guess for it to be such a perfect day, but it was.
The city, active, clean, people were very kind.
I mean, active, clean, you sure you would in Glasgow, Pat?
People were very kind, I'll give you that.
But hey, they speak the same language as us.
I tell you.
I don't know if you're not.
But I couldn't understand.

(37:59):
It's that, it's that true.
Were we speaking the same language?
I think we were.
Everyone's in a while, you hear something and a big laugh in the group.
And I felt really left out after a couple of things.
I'd recommend Glasgow, quick flight.
Only a four hour time difference.
But Kathy got into the spirit of Scotland by dawning full Highland dress for the live broadcast.

(38:21):
And I killed shop to hire his Highland to wear for the night and he absolutely loved it.
He continued, "Megregorima duff was the place.
I guess I should expect this in Scotland.
It was a really happening spot."
A killed shop was a really happening spot.
Just like come from Happy Days or something.
There were like ten people who worked there.
They were acting like they were bar tenders, but they were actually killed tenders.

(38:45):
People were coming in and out and trying to rent everything.
They gave me all my measurements, sent it to a warehouse and I rented it for the evening.
That thing there, I guess there was a photo up on the screen of him.
That thing there, that's called a sparring.
And the co-host said, "Oh, what's in the sack?"
And McCaffey pointing it to the ski and do you explain, "Oh, that's a knife.

(39:08):
Yeah, I had a knife in my sack there all night."
So, there we go, that's Pat.
We're in a kill for the first time on board.
And walk around Glasgow being amazed that people don't wear sunglasses.
I remember them after we had been at Han McSobos wedding.
You never get old.
I'll never get old.

(39:29):
You went off home with your girlfriend and me and some of the chaps repaired to SB&Age.
And I was, I think everybody must have been in the higher kilts.
I don't know if they, I don't know if anybody was owning it,
I don't have any aid that was with us own there, gear, but my ski and do was a plastic ski and do.
Because I had, I had, at that time I didn't own my own highland wear.

(39:54):
And the, the bouncer was like, it wasn't sure if it was gov, I don't know.
That's a like show them instead of his plastic and sort of like stab myself with it in the chest to show them
it was a hired one and it was harmless.
But he was, he wasn't a Glasgow, but I had Glasgow bouncer with fucking, I've just told me to fuck off.
I've already been bouncer, a bit more, a bit more genial.
I remember I didn't get in to a club once.

(40:17):
It was Halloween and I was dressed as...
Oh fuck it.
I was him, I was him, me and, um, this is the other, um, guys, when I was a village people.
And I was dressed as the Indian.
And I had like a headdress, this like waistcoat, like full-sweight waistcoat.

(40:44):
And I think like some sort of scourry thing.
And I had on, um, the only tan boots that I owned.
They were like steel toe caps and the bouncer would lend me in because I was wearing steel toe cap boots.
And like, that's your reason.
I'm dressed as a fucking red Indian, but you're not letting me in because I was wearing steel toe cap boots.
I wouldn't mind that it was fucking Chicago rock cafe in Aberdeen.

(41:06):
I was like, "Oh no."
Do you know how much I will kill it in there as soon as YMCA plays?
I'll bring the house down.
No.
You wouldn't let me in.
I'm a fucking arsel.
Which I have to do, just have to go home.
Ah, it's Wednesday's 24 hour show.
I've got a pie, pouring over my room and home.
Something else got the heat dress ripped off at that night.

(41:31):
Yeah, so it took that.
Yeah, but yeah, sunglasses in Glasgow.
I mean, it must have obviously been a nice day on Monday in Glasgow.
Yeah.
So, the sun was out, but yeah.
I mean, I guess the thing is, is that, you know, you come to understand when you're living, when you're living in Scotland,

(41:52):
you're never quite sure which way the weather is going to turn.
So, I imagine when you're leaving the house in March, you probably not expecting a sunny day.
I bet, although the people who had parked in town were like, "Oh, fuck it, man, my sunglasses are in the car."
And deliberated whether it would go back to get them and thought, "No, I think I'm gonna go out."
So, I think it's probably more like pad.
I mean, what sunglasses are for, fuck's it?

(42:13):
I bet there was probably a lot of people walking around with an umbrella in their hand, or in their handbag, just in case it was going to rain.
But, as you said, I do love people like Glasgow, where he says, you know, every local person I say, "Wow, what a beautiful city.
What a beautiful day." They said, "Don't get used to it."
It's lovely.
Yeah, I know.
Do you know what I do? It's speaking of like, "Oh, so winter, seasonal wear."

(42:38):
Do you know what I saw in America last week that I had, I thought, "I've seen, okay, for fucking years."
I saw a moth.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
I saw a lady's moth.
You know the things that they put their hands in, it's like a sort of funny tube.
I know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, yeah, just in case there's some like, shit, there's some Gen Z-ers on the call, and this thing that don't know.

(43:04):
Yeah.
Wow.
What were they doing with their moth?
Just keeping their hands warm.
Just walking around.
Just walking around.
Walking around, moth on display for all the sea hand stuff, didn't it?
It was quite blustery in New York last week, because it was quite chilly.
And I only had the Hadlington jacket, I just, I did not pack, I did not pack sensibly.

(43:26):
You know what I did, but yeah, very good.
Well, there's Pat and what he thinks of Glasgow, so there you go.
If you're going to Glasgow, pack your sunglasses, listeners.
Yeah.
I get them off.
I get them off.
Yeah, I take them off just in case.
You can never be too careful.
Oh, okay.
Have you seen anything else this week, Greg?
No, that's, that's all the news.

(43:47):
No, okay.
Right, well, before we go on to what we're going to be talking about today,
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(44:08):
what we're going to be talking about today?
So, this week, I picked a movie.
I've picked the highly, highly acclaimed from 2018 Wild Rose, directed by Tom Harper,
starring Jesse Buckley, Julie Walters, and the aforementioned Wonder Woman 1984's Matt Castello,

(44:30):
J.A.G.
Gaudley as well, the late J.A.G.
And for some reason, fucking whisper in Bob Harris.
Wild Rose is the story of Rosalyn Harlan, just released from prison, with big dreams of
country music stardom, not country and western.
She needs to reconcile with her mum and her children, as she struggles to establish her

(44:55):
priority, whether it's aspiring musical success, or reconnecting with her family.
So, I remember this when it came out, and I remember a lot of people talking about it,
and how good it was, and I was surprised I've not done it before, actually.
Massively successful movie, as far as the awards go.
Jesse Buckley got nominated Best Actress at the BAFTAs.

(45:18):
The song won the critics' choice awards.
The Scottish BAFTAs won Best Feature Film, Jesse Buckley won Best Actress.
The British Independent Film Awards won for Best Music.
Even the Hollywood Critics Association gave Jesse Buckley Best Breakthrough Performance.
So, they're a big deal.

(45:40):
And although quite a few of the leads in the film are not Scottish, including Jesse Buckley,
who plays Rose, very much feels like a Scottish film.
And seems to be shot mostly on location in Glasgow.
So, I hadn't seen it before, as I just mentioned.

(46:04):
I don't think you've seen it before either, right?
No, I had not first viewing of Wild Rose.
I was aware of the film.
I didn't know too much about it, to be honest.
So, I kind of knew the rough storyline.
It kind of passed me by, but I was aware of it, but no, my first viewing of it.
I wasn't sure...

(46:25):
Whenever I think of that, I always think of the...
I wonder if it was going to be like the 1979 film The Rose starring Bet Middler.
Never seen that.
I remember my uncle had that on Beatamax, and used to watch it.
That's kind of based on the story of Janice Joplin, but...
It was obviously nothing like that.

(46:46):
But, first time watching it, I enjoyed it.
I did enjoy it, despite not liking musicals, because it's a musical,
but it's not like in a sunshine-unleased musical.
Yeah, it's more like a...
It's more like a...
No, it's more like a...
Yeah, at least for us, or more like a God help the girl.
Type musical, but...
Yeah, yeah.

(47:07):
The music serves a purpose rather than to advance the story.
I did enjoy it.
It was a good film.
I thought we could story, very well-acted, like the music.
I let a lot of the actors in it.
It almost felt a little bit Ken Loach light to me in a way,
like a kind of Di-E Ken Loach film, like almost like a sweet 16 kind of feel.

(47:29):
Much like the last episode, the Girl in the Picture,
which felt like Diathor Scythe, it felt a little bit like Diathor Loach.
Also, like the Girl in the Picture, I fucking hated the main character.
I hated her.
Yeah, I am forced to agree with you.
I mean, I don't... I wouldn't go as far as, say, as I hated her.

(47:50):
But she is quite difficult to root for a lot of the time.
It's how maybe the last...
Maybe the last sort of 15 minutes or so.
You know, she's quite difficult to root for.
And, you know, like...
So, Jessie Buckley, I didn't...
I knew of her.

(48:12):
I had seen her in Shenobyl, but I didn't really know her very well.
She's not from Glasgow.
She's some Northern Ireland.
Her accent slips occasionally in some of the more emotional moments.
But I was looking into her.
And it led me to her first appearance on TV,
which was in essentially a talent show that the BBC ran about 17 years ago,

(48:36):
called "I Do Anything."
And when I saw that in her Wikipedia, I thought,
"That sounds like some sort of desperate kind of talent show thing."
But, of course, I realised that that is...
They were trying to audition for someone to play the "Wood of Nancy" in Cameron Mac and Tosh's "Rivive of Oliver."

(48:57):
So, I ended up...
When I finished work today, I ended up watching...
Not the op-ins, sort of like, skimming through the last episode of "I Do Anything."
Oh, right.
Okay.
Where the winner was announced.
And Jessie Buckley was in the last two.

(49:18):
She ended up losing to a girl called Jody Planger.
Now, if you look at Jessie Buckley's career, she is definitely one, right?
Because she is incredibly celebrated and respected.
And together, I drew in this film.
She's got a fucking hell of a voice, right?
She's got a brilliant voice.

(49:40):
So, her Jody Planger is 10 years older than Jessie Buckley.
Well, how can I say this without getting cancelled?
I mean, you've already said that the words read Indy in on this episode.
And...
She's sort of...
Bucksum.
Is that fair to say?
Yeah.

(50:01):
Fuller-figured curvy.
As Nancy should be.
Having been in Oliver.
Right, as Oliver Twist.
Yeah.
And Nancy should be a Bucksum.
Well, the judges on "I Do Anything Are" - Andrew Lotsoy - Ward, Lloyd Weber.
Cameron McIntosh, who also famously is the originator of Lymnsarab.

(50:24):
Denise Van Outen, who I've always been.
I've always liked Denise and John Barrowman.
Right.
I've been in the club for a few years, and I've been in the club for a few years.
I've been in the club for a few years, and I've been in the club for a few years.
I've been in the club for a few years, and I've been in the club for a few years, and I've been in the club for a few years.

(50:50):
So they don't decide who wins. The people at home decided. And the people at home picked Jody Pranger.
Denise Van Outen, consummate professional.
Applauding, manage to get a tea in the eye and everything for her.
Jessie Buckley should expect very, very gracious in defeat.
John Barrowman, again, professional.

(51:12):
At least on camera at least.
Lloyd Weber, he didn't quite do the Dennis, that was said, the Dennis Waterman, the Pete Waterman of walking off.
Like Michelle MacMannis, one poor pido, but he didn't look very impressed.
So then when I read about the programme, apparently Cameron Macintosh,

(51:36):
they've been in the mean, this is 17 years ago, and you know, attitudes have changed. But apparently during the programme, Cameron Macintosh was quite vocal about the fact that he thought that Jody Pranger was too boxum,
to, to, to be his Nancy.
Okay.
But yeah, I mean, it was, I mean, you don't, I mean, it's been years since I've sort of watched a programme like that.

(52:01):
The BBC did it for, to get a Maria for the Sound of Music and I think a Joseph for, yeah, Joseph and Tech Lodging.
This was the last one they did.
I think, yeah, because Denise van Aout and ended up marrying the guy that won the Joseph won, right.
And then, but they're broken up now because he was, yeah, he was, he was up to some 30 business with some,
a lot of young ladies apparently.

(52:22):
Yes.
So, yeah, so yeah, I mean, so for her to come from there, and you know, she really, I don't think,
apart from she's not a book, and I saw that little bit of a film one night when I was in the hotel and I was
thinking through the channel, she was in a hotel with Olivia Coleman called, I think, nasty little wetter,
or something like that, like, right, recent film.
I only watched a bit of it.

(52:43):
I didn't watch it all.
But it's just clearly very, very talented.
Coming back to your point, you know, that whole sort of rough diamond thing, it, it wears a wee bit thin, you know what I mean?
I said hate, hate's a strong word, I don't hate her, much the same as it didn't hate Alan in the girl in the picture.
I liked Alan.
He just, I find it hard to, to root for him.

(53:05):
Yeah.
I find it really hard to root for Rose.
Like, she, I'm just gonna list what I've written down here, and okay, spoiler if you haven't seen it,
because I'm gonna go through everything here.
She shows absolutely no remorse for what she's done.
And, until the very, very, very, very, very, very, very end of the film with that.

(53:30):
Yeah, it's too late for me by that point.
She, she spent 12 months in prison away from her kids, and she feels that she's hard done by, but she's, she, she was no remorse for what she's done.
The, what, got her into prison.
She doesn't seem to give a shit about her kids.
Okay, until later, Kiara, Yada, yeah.
Or her mum, she even goes to visit her fucking boyfriend and get pissed and stoned before she goes to see her kids.
I get it.
I go in Nashville and become a country singer is her dream, but it's all a solo dream for her.
Not once does she mention it's to give the kids a better life or a better future.

(53:55):
It's all about her.
Yeah.
She just seems to assume that her mum's gonna continue looking after them.
She gets a job that her mum's friend has helped her get, and she doesn't even seem grateful for it.
On her first day, she steals, gets pissed, and then she was no graduate when her employer, who for some reason,
seems to like see something in her and wants to help her.

(54:16):
She, she was no graduate for that.
And at the end, she takes her mum's money, which was probably put aside to fucking bury her mother,
and just fucks off to Nashville, and then comes home after a couple of days, 'cause she didn't like it.
Like, fuck off.
Like, at the end, I felt no like, oh, I'm so glad she's done it.
No, I was like, ah, for fuck's sake, I was annoyed that she did it in the end.

(54:38):
Like, no, she's not a likeable character.
Nothing against, I don't know, I will put this, just to say this.
Obviously, there's nothing against Jessie Buckley's performance is incredible, and she is fantastic.
But the character of Rose, I don't like Atal.
I mean, I don't think I wasn't quite as triggered as you ever did anywhere, but I really was.

(55:01):
I'm gonna buy you, buy Rosie's journey, you know what I think?
I think the last sort of half, between 20 minutes, 25 minutes,
but the sort of strongest part of the film, because, you know, she sort of realises that she's got her priorities all wrong,
and even when she goes to Nashville, she sort of achieves her dream,
because she gets to sing a wee song in the stage at the Harlan Theater,

(55:24):
which apparently is like a big deal in country music.
You know, I just realise that she's missing her kids, and everything else, and sort of goes back again.
I didn't get that part, I, I, I have a different reputation.
It's too busy fucking kicking the teleover clearly.
So, you know, there is, there's a degree of, you know, there's that, I guess,

(55:46):
the sort of, the kind of messages, you know, like, be careful, you know,
whilst you've got your eye in your dream, don't take your eye off what's right in front of you,
because maybe that's all you need, you know, maybe everything you need's right here, you know, that kind of thing.
I suppose that's the sort of subtext, but yeah, I mean,
and, and, because with the character, although Jesse Buckley's, you say,

(56:10):
please, please, please, the character really, really well, there's a,
there's something a bit contrived about it, and I was trying, because like, as I was watching that,
I was kind of thinking, well, I feel like I've maybe seen this story before, you know,
like, maybe through slightly different lands.
I couldn't quite put my finger on exactly where I've seen it before,
but a lot of it felt really familiar, you know what I mean?

(56:33):
The journey that Rose goes on as a character, and people's attitudes toward her,
and everything else, and you know, when she goes to London to meet Bob Harris,
and she's on the train, and she's, you know, she's on the cans with the boys in the buffet cart,
and then her jacket and her bag go missing, although, I know what's her, she's wearing a jacket again later on in the film.

(56:56):
Yeah.
You know, like, can you just, like, for fuck's sake, and then she manages to run right from,
I assume, Houston station, having never been to London before, with a map to where the BBC radio offices are,
which don't, I don't know if it's Shepard's Bush or Victoria or somewhere like that,
and make it in and everything else and stuff.
And I'm just, like, I kind of feel like this is all, and when you think that things are going to go really wrong,

(57:20):
you know, you think that she's not going to make it to meet Bob Harris,
and she does, you know what, when she's out late, and she's rushing home because she's got to be in for the tag curfew,
you think, oh, she's not going to make it, and she just makes it just in time, you know what I mean,
and all these other things, and it's all a bit kind of well.
You know, there's nothing really original here.
I think if it wasn't for the fact that the cast are really, really good, you know that,

(57:45):
and I think they're all really good.
I think Julie Walters is really good as her mum, she's a really good Scottish accent.
Yeah, Jamie Syves, even though he's not really in it very much, is good in it, so for you,
is it Okinedo? Okinedo?
Yeah, it's good.
You know, and even this other smaller part, so even Jenny Godley, I mean, she's in like, you know,
very, you know, I think her credit is barmaid, I don't even think Bob let me give the character a name,

(58:10):
but she's great in it as well, in the small bit, time that she's there.
And I think, you know, unless, unless sort of skilled hands,
I don't think this film would have been as successful as it was, because I don't think there's really anything
all that original.
I think maybe the only original thing is the ending, because you know, she doesn't achieve her dream.

(58:31):
Maybe that's, maybe that's where the originality comes in perhaps.
It is a film that you wouldn't want to watch if you've got anxiety, because it is quite an anxious film,
because someone seems to go wrong for like every five minutes.
Yeah.
It's like, you know, she gets her bag and her jacket lost or stolen from the train.
She has to run back, because her tags not there.

(58:52):
She, you know, something else happens.
It's all her fucking fault.
It's all her doing.
It's, it's her fault that these things have happened.
So I find it difficult to sympathize and to be anxious of, oh, God, I hope she makes it home before the tag goes off.
Well, she shouldn't have sat in the pub getting pissed.
She, like, I find it really difficult to like her and these things are building up and building up.

(59:15):
Like, like, say it, exactly as you said, like she gets her jacket back.
But it, it's just, I find it really difficult to, to kind of root for her in that way.
She seems so self assured and so full of herself.
You know, oh, there's only nobody else in this whole country knows country music apart from Bob Haley.
That's it.
A fuck off.

(59:39):
Why have you got in for one of those TV talent shows?
I'm not for a fucker again, singles programs.
I was for a fucker who wanted to sit in on a Saturday night and watch the TV.
Yeah, but isn't it a way of making someone here who couldn't introduce you to someone over there?
There's nobody here! That's one more way!
No one in the whole of Britain knows anything about country music.
Except me?
Except you?

(01:00:00):
Yeah.
And Bob Harris.
Who's that?
What is it, DJ at BBC Radio 2?
You're a legend, man.
Ain't you a weak guy?
And he knows everything about country music.
All this does.
And it's pounds.
That's great.
That's who you need to write to.
And when you're saying, you know, in terms of my golden Nashville, I interpret it as a completely different way.

(01:00:23):
She went to Nashville and she was...
What was she expecting? Like she's going to step off the plane and suddenly be discovered.
Like it's fucking 2018, not 1952.
Like surely she cannot be that naive that she thinks she's just going to make it straight away.
Like we also have this invention called the internet.
Like she could have surely planned ahead, maybe booked some open-mic spots and demo reals or something.

(01:00:46):
I found...
Your interpretation completely different.
I found her going in Nashville.
I didn't think she'd give a shit about her kids and thinking she missed her kids.
I found her as she was like, "It's just too difficult. There's too many people here.
I'm never going to make it."
And okay, she sinks in the stage, gets hiked out by security.
I took it as she's like too lazy to try and make it there.

(01:01:07):
Okay, you're right at the end.
She doesn't justify herself because she's obviously started to learn to play the guitar.
She's written one song, well done, you have a fucking Mars bar.
But I really didn't interpret that as her missing her kids.
I realized that she realized this is too much hard work.
I can't be done with this. I can't be arsed. I'll just go back home.
Yeah, I didn't see it that way.

(01:01:30):
I think it's difficult to root for her when she seems...
She seems sort of hell-bent on ruining her own chances.
She doesn't really...
You don't get the feeling that she really shows gratitude in a very healthy way to begin with.
She's picked towards the end. She's much more sincere, I think, and much more genuine.

(01:01:51):
But early on in the film, when Susanna's helping her, you know, she does.
I wouldn't say she comes across as entitled, but she doesn't really react.
She would expect somebody to react to someone making that a gesture like that for her.
Yeah, because I mean, Susanna helps her to record the video, to send to Whispering and Bob.

(01:02:13):
She doesn't see that arsed about it, really.
Yeah, you know, and even this sort of crowdfunding thing that she tries to do for her,
which obviously comes after her reboies, lost a fight with a wardrobe.
But she's still determined, at least initially, she's still determined to go and do the... the conegarding gig.
Because she has to...
She's got to get to Nashville to better herself, fuck her kids.

(01:02:35):
And that's the sort of turning point, I guess, for her when she has a bit of...
She seems to have a bit of an epiphany that actually... she's making the wrong choice.
Yeah, that's fair. She takes her kids to the beach, whoopie, mother of the year.
And then...
Fuck it now.
Julie Buller's gives her her burial money and she's like, "Okay, see you later. I'm after Nashville."

(01:02:58):
Like, I'm sorry, I just didn't get that.
Yeah, Buckley, amazing performance though. I cannot take anything away from that.
Great singing voice. And the music in the film, great.
I mean, there was, okay, there's one original song, which will come back to later, the end.
Interesting, but...
Mostly covers. I have to... I have had Country Girl by Primal Scream stuck in my head all fucking weeks.

(01:03:21):
All fucking weeks since watching this.
Because it's...
Well, it's not a cover of Country Boy by The Charlotteons.
No, but they changed the name to Country Girl instead.
No, because Country Boy by The Charlotteons is North Country Boy.
Where is Primal Scream's Country Girl?
Take my hand.

(01:03:42):
Yeah, of course.
Totally different song.
Yeah, that's a good song, the family's feeling very different.
But I'm not... the whole country music.
I like Johnny Cash.
And I've always liked Johnny Cash.
I wouldn't even say everything of Johnny Cash's.
But I really liked that last, the last sort of few albums that he did.

(01:04:04):
He did the covers.
You know, he did an English nails cover.
Yeah.
Which, you know, when you see the video, I think it came out just after he died.
And it was actually quite emotional.
And the video for it.
And, you know, he does a cover of it.
I think it does a cover on a red right hand by Nick Cave.
And, you know, so I like the fact that he...
I like the fact that he was a bit of a character when he was famous and, you know,

(01:04:29):
and all that kind of thing.
But it's...
Can a Country Music music otherwise?
And I think there's a type of Country Music that seems to attract these kind of weird people.
We see... we see him.
You know, we see him.
That was shit.
I don't know.
There's something weird about someone from Scotland, shall we say.

(01:04:52):
Putting on a paint of rainstorm.
Like a guy from Scotland.
Putting on like a...
Like a...
A paint of rainstorm boots.
And a played shirt.
And a cowboy hat.
And going down the Granville Opera.
And the line dancing.
And, you know, that's kind of thing.
I just...
I don't know.
So I was just seeing the bit weird thing.
What's wrong with that?
I mean, hey, it's not my scene, but I don't see...

(01:05:15):
What's wrong with that?
What's different from that?
From a guy wearing black t-shirts and eyeliner and hanging out in a graveyard?
There's...
There's something...
Well...
It's something that someone enjoys.
I do not see it that way.
I think it's because Country Music is...
It's so American, eh, Country Music.

(01:05:36):
It's so, so, so American.
Even though, I think it's...
It's the sort of mythology of Country Music as it was...
Like the first people to play it were Scottish immigrants.
So maybe it is...
Maybe it's a Scottish-ish-ish-ish-sotty-score.
And I don't have no idea.
But, you know, and it's fought with the whole Nashville thing and all that, and all that stuff.

(01:05:58):
It just...
It feels just like so American.
And so white American as well, you know what I mean?
I don't know.
I've just always found it a bit problematic.
It comes in waves though, I think.
There's no escaping it.
And it's something that's always been kind of part of us.
Like, you know, when we were kids, I think my mom listened to Dolly Parton.

(01:06:20):
And...
Yeah, you know, yeah.
Everybody loves Dolly, though.
Yeah, of course, everyone loves Dolly.
A fucking icon.
But, you know...
She's an international friend.
Willie Nelson.
And I think if you think about it even when we were kids,
like, well, you're Billy Reys...
Billy Reys Cyrus.
I was gonna say Billy Reys Cyrus.
And I guess you couldn't really count him as kind of country.

(01:06:43):
Country-ish, though, really.
But then...
It's pretty country.
And through to like Garth Brooks, he was big.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
He was fucking huge.
And then, even through to like...
people like Keith Urban and Blake Shelton and Tim McGraw.
Right, no.
Nowadays and Carrie Underwood.
Like, country music's had a...
It's always kind of a huge kind of thing.
And, yeah, of course, and Johnny Cash.

(01:07:05):
Famously, I'd like to point out,
not a felon, even in jail a couple of times.
Never convicted of a felony.
But she...
Rose does say that he was a convicted felon.
He's not.
However, Rose, you are convicted of a drug conviction.
Not quite sure how you got into the US.
But, anyway.
So...
I'm about to...
I'm about to wait for it, like...
They have an oversight there, but yeah, let's wait and see.

(01:07:28):
No, I've never been in a big country fund.
Oh, Kenny Rogers, of course.
Kenny Rogers, he'd be...
Yeah.
Yeah, just not my vibe.
Like, sort of Glen Campbell, guys like that.
Just...
Yeah, just...
Not my jam, country music and my...
Never a fight.
I've seen you dance to fucking Chennai a twain on "S.P."
And I just dance floor.
I...
I'm pretty sure that is not true.

(01:07:50):
No, unless I was dancing with...
I was dancing with a young lady that I was hoping to...
get a kiss and a cuddle with at the chippy that I've seen you...
Shaking your booty to their tone and pressing me much.
Well, we would talk about what I've seen you shaking on the SVN at that time...
over the years.
I was thinking about that.
I was thinking about the other day.
I remember...

(01:08:11):
I think I mentioned to you, right?
But, without you and I, probably your mutual friend.
And, as was our want in those days, sort of checking out the young ladies in whichever pub or club we're in.
And I remember saying that there was one that I thought that nice...
getting a bit of static because clearly my companions did not agree...

(01:08:33):
and I said she had a nice smile.
Oh, yeah.
I did the absolute cut ripped out of me for like, a cheese, for say...
just because I was mature and sensitive.
And you three were like, "You two were like, "Ahhh, bro!"
And I was, uh, old, uh, heart of a poet sensitive, right?
So I could definitely see her, Michelle-friend was never.

(01:08:54):
"Arrrrrrrrr"
You had to know my massive surface there.
Say that.
You were like "Oooooh"
I have been like "Arggrrr".
No, I can't say anything though, because one of my favorite musical artists started off country.

(01:09:15):
So -
- Tills, Tills -
Toeswift.
But yeah, the music anyway, I've had Promo Stream stuck on my head.
Whisper and Bob Harris is all right, isn't he?
He's not one of the bad ones?
Yeah, no, I think it's okay.
Here, I know that he has,
because I actually fall at Whisper and Bob on Instagram,
because country music is not the only music,

(01:09:36):
but I think probably mostly these days,
it is, occasionally he does the odd documentary in BBC,
about music from the 60s and 70s,
which is very much my jam, is on the Snot Country.
And I know he's been quite poorly,
he's sort of being a struggle in the cancer and stuff like that,
but it seems to be in the men, so good luck to him.

(01:09:56):
Yeah, he does see, there's not many of those guys that probably,
I think there's just him and Tony Blackburn that it's okay to still be all right with,
because even John Peel, I think,
because there's some questions in terms of...
Yeah, I love this.
And then how highly respected John Peel,
I think we'll just leave that there.
But I think one of my favourite songs when I was a kid,

(01:10:18):
would that be Classes Country, was Jean Pitney,
24 hours from Tulsa, like that would be a...
Nah, that's not Country, is it?
- That's not Country, is it? - No, he's not Country.
- That's, that's pop. - Yeah.
- You can't beat a better Pitney.
- That's that song that he did with Mark Almond.
♪ Something's gonna hold 'em hard ♪
♪ That one you know ♪ - ♪ A couple of pints ♪
♪ And we'll get to the start ♪

(01:10:40):
(laughing)
- Jessie Buckley is great.
Julie Walters, playing her mum.
A fantastic Scottish accent.
- Yeah, I mean, can you expect anything less
from Julie Walters?
- You can go, you just can't go wrong with Walters.
- No, the first thing I ever saw her in was

(01:11:04):
the secret idea of Adrian Moulton,
where she plays Adrian's mum,
that sort of, should have,
that kind of lester accent.
And I think she said,
it should be from Lester, actually.
Julie Walters, but, yeah,
I mean, just phenomenal.
She's like, I think I live here.
Coleman's a bit like the new Julie Walters
in the sense that they both started off
doing a lot of broad comedy.

(01:11:25):
And I've become like, incredibly distinguished dramatic actors.
- It's a great show.
- I'd never thought about that, but you're right, actually.
- Yeah.
- Coleman's followed the,
Walters has belazed the trail for Coleman to come behind her.
- I try to think, I mean, I think Julie Walters,
probably from you would have been Victoria Wood or Buster,

(01:11:47):
would have been one of the first things I seen her in.
- Yeah, Buster.
- Yeah.
- I'd go for it.
- I'd go for it.
- I love Buster.
My mum had the soundtrack to Buster.
It's quite a good mix of classic 60s stuff
like the Holies and a better calling, as well.
- My mum had that as well.
And I think, I'm sure she had the VHS of Buster as well.
I remember always used to love watching it.

(01:12:08):
'Cause that one, the only thing seen,
he's like just throws the fucking garbage can
through the window and steals the dress that she wants or
like that, oh.
- Yeah.
- Cracking film, Buster.
But we're not speaking Buster, but yeah, Julie Walters,
for my opinion, she's the only character,
apart from Jamie Sive's character, in this film,
that makes sense.
And even then, Walters changes her mind

(01:12:31):
and gives her the money that, as I said earlier,
she's probably spent 20 years working in the bakery,
scutting away for her headstone.
But no, she's just gonna be burned in a box
because our daughter is fucked off the Nashville for a jolly
and spent her money.
Not happy about that.
But yeah, Julie Walters, great.
You can see the scene where she,

(01:12:54):
no, again, she's effectively giving her daughter
all the instructions for, you know, this is for the water,
this is for the gas, this is for the TV license,
she like to pay this.
Yeah, like, she's only been in prison for 12 months.
Surely she knows how to do all this stuff.
Like, it's not like she's been inside for, you know, 30 years.
Yeah.

(01:13:15):
But the pain in her, it's, because I had written down,
like she does not give a shit,
she's like desperate to get rid of these kids
to pass them back off to their mum and get her life back.
But there's a beautiful scene where she's walking along
kind of the balcony bit, and you can see the pain in her face
of thinking, "Ah, fuck, how is she gonna get on,
"but how are the kids gonna get on a wonderful performance?"

(01:13:37):
So you really, she really cares those kids.
And then when Rose offers them, you know,
promises them a pizza night and then just decides to go
and get pissed in the law, or instead,
and comes home and the mum says, you know,
"What happened to pizza?"
And takes the kids out for a pizza.
You're like, "She has the kids, that's her main focus."

(01:13:58):
Which is what Rose's main focus should be,
but no, it's about getting to Nashville.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, she's really good at it, Julie Walters.
And a really good Scottish accent, you know, I have to say,
very, very good Scottish accent.
I don't think it's quite, I mean, that house looks like,
it's supposed to be a priest hill on a south side,
but the house that Julie Walters lived in looks like

(01:14:19):
the houses on Cumberan Old Road,
and they're sort of east end up towards,
up to the farm looks, sort of direction,
top of Denison, to me.
So she doesn't really have the accent, somebody,
who lives in that area, that, however, the Wies McAfee,
the Wies McAfee, who lives next door,
it's perhaps her character is perhaps more typical

(01:14:41):
of that part of it.
No, yeah, she's good.
An actor who's in this, who I think is,
I don't really understand why he's in it, is Craig Parkinson.
And unless that role was bigger and is being cut down,
and I have no idea, I couldn't find anything
in my research to suggest that,
but Craig Parkinson's a fucking great actor.

(01:15:03):
And I don't know, this is after Laney June,
and he's got two that was short scenes,
and they could've just got a Scottish actor at a play,
his part is not a mean,
and as you know,
Mississippi Tundra is his stage there.
Yeah, I think,
Craig Parkinson first came to me, probably in teachers,

(01:15:25):
and then, he's popped up in quite a few things,
Laney June, he's got a great podcast actually,
not that I should be promoting other podcasts,
but he does a good podcast,
re-interviews other actors and stuff,
and very good actor.
And yeah, I was really surprised when he popped up
in this tiny little role.
I can only presume he was maybe in Glasgow for a couple of days,
and did something,

(01:15:46):
'cause--
He's friends with Tom Hark, maybe Nate's with Tom Hark,
or something like that, probably could be something.
'Cause I'd imagine all those scenes in the Grand Ole Opel
were filmed on the same couple of days,
so it would have been like a days' work for him to do that.
Yeah, it was a really good thing about,
poor, about 15 years ago called White Chappell,

(01:16:07):
none of you ever saw that.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It was, it had the fucking poshist named actor
in the world,
Rupert Penby Jones,
and Phil Davis,
by brilliant English actor,
and basically,
I think the first series that somebody recreating
the crimes of Jack Dipper,
and the second series is,

(01:16:28):
turns out that Regie,
Cray had had twin boys
who were raised in secret,
and Craig Parkinson plays,
like the new Cray Twins,
in which was about my stretch for me.
They're the Jack Dipper series was quite good.
I think, what's his name?
Fucking,
he's in the very first black mirror.

(01:16:50):
He plays the prime minister who has to shag the pig.
He's died as a famous actor.
I know who you mean, I can't think.
His name now, but I know he means.
It was at an episode of,
of, and said number nine,
that watch the night as well.
Yeah, so I think he was in it as well.
It was pretty good,
but yeah, the second in the third series,
didn't really do it for me.
So yeah, about Strange having him in this little
blink in your miss at role.

(01:17:11):
And you mentioned her a couple of times,
but Sophie Okenehdo as Susanna,
a wonderful character,
so lovely, generous,
nice, takes Rose kind of under a wing,
and yeah, Rose does what Rose does
and fucks her over effectively,
but not fucks her over, but I mean,
she does,

(01:17:31):
her bees, her trust,
I mean, the first day she's tanning Jamie Syves
this whiskey collection,
and she was no gratitude,
you know, in first,
you know, when she gets her the audition
with, well, the meeting with Bob Harris,
she buys her a first class train ticket.
The first thing that Rose is about,

(01:17:52):
isn't, oh, how can I pay you back?
It's like, I hope you're not expecting me to pay you back.
And yeah, come on,
and then just gets pissed on the train
and gives me a big enrols to all the football fans.
Oh, thank you very much.
What, first class?
I hope you're not expecting me to give you the money for that.
Of course, this is it,
there you go, just in case.

(01:18:13):
Oh, God.
Thank you, thank you,
fuck,
fuck, this is fucking me off the plops.
Right, I'll see you when I come back.
Yeah.
Huh.
It's such a shame because she's so invested in her
and seems to really like her and wants to help her.
She's fair in terms of when she says,

(01:18:35):
Rose effectively asks her for money
and she says, look, I'm not gonna give you money,
just, well, just drink tap water instead.
And it's horrible.
Rose, I would be like,
fuck off your fired, get to fuck.
But she sees something in her.
She wants to help her, wants her to better herself.
Despite the fact she doesn't even know by this point
that she's a single mother of two kids,

(01:18:56):
but she still wants to help her and wants to help her achieve her dream
and Rose just doesn't, you know, just self-destructs, really.
Yeah, that's a bit of a suggestion.
Well, that isn't really explored with Susanna's character,
that, you know, that maybe she's got a few unrealised dreams of her own.
You know what, I mean,
that of that she's gonna put behind her

(01:19:19):
because she's got her kids with Jamie Sives, you know?
But it doesn't really,
there's about a suggestion of this, you know,
that hard and Jamie Sives just to, you know,
love the single life and their little flat on Clydeside
where the fuck that is.
You gotta tell you something, if you've got a flat,
if you've got a flat next to the Clyde in Glasgow,
you're probably doing a rake, so fucking expensive.

(01:19:40):
And, yeah, and this perhaps a degree of vacatious action
in helping Rose get to realize her own dream, you know what I mean?
And of course, Jamie Sives, only in a couple of scenes,
but fantastic as her husband.
- You're good, don't you? - And I genuinely thought
when he stops the car, I thought,

(01:20:02):
"I was gonna try and come onto her."
And of course, that's what Rose says as well.
And when he effectively tells her to fuck off,
like, I don't want you anywhere near my kids, my wife, my home,
I fucking applauded and that was my favorite part of the film
when he just basically puts her in her place and tells her,
"I know what you did, I know it was drugs, fuck off."

(01:20:24):
Do you a little concert and get to fuck?
I was like, "Yes, finally!"
Someone's fucking seen through her shite.
I love, there's a phrase that he uses
that is such a Glasgow phrase when he says,
"I know you've done the jail."
I've not heard that for fucking years.
(dramatic music)

(01:20:45):
(laughs)
Why is this the one where you trained,
stick up to daily woman?
No, no.
This is the one where I tell you that I'm on to you.
I know you did the jail.
And I know what you were in for.

(01:21:10):
Susanna's bought in whatever it is you're selling
and I'm not about to take that away from her now.
But I don't want you anywhere near my kids, so...
Do you see them all?
Sing your song, get your money, then you're gone.
Yeah, he's really really good in it,

(01:21:32):
Jamie Syles for all the time that he's on the screen.
Yeah, he's not in the concert at the end,
there's a watch no one's danger,
no he's not.
No, no, no, no.
Stuck these guns, he's a man of conviction.
He certainly is.
So I guess, oh yeah, the concert at the end,
we'll talk about two.
So I have to admit, okay, because Bob Harris,

(01:21:56):
who is fine, he does say to her,
"Do you play? Do you write?"
And she doesn't do any of that.
And I guess that maybe is her realising
that she doesn't do any of these things, she only sings.
And oh, that's a good point by the way.
She's doing, I'll come back to this.
She's doing the Susanna's party, the fundraiser,
and she's giving her a band, like, they're rehearsing,

(01:22:18):
they're playing, is she giving the band a cut of the money?
Or is she just taking it all to fuck off the Nashville for her jolly?
The band expect to play for free.
That was something I wondered.
Well, maybe the band with the winners and that,
and that they get to keep all the credit for the money.
That's a good point.
Yeah, maybe they played a whole down afterwards, yeah.
But she obviously realises that's the fact,
she comes back to Scotland,

(01:22:39):
and we go to a year later,
she is on stage at Celtic Connections,
singing a song, Glasgow, no place like home,
and with her band that she's writing herself,
and she's playing the guitar.
And at that moment, I should have been like,
"Oh, fuck, she's done it."
Whereas I was like, "Oh, fuck, she's done it."
And...

(01:23:00):
(laughs)
Some difference to my cadence there.
But Fair Play, okay, she's realised this is the way to do it.
And I admire that she's realised,
"No, it's hard work.
"In dedication, it's gonna get me there,
"not just stepping off the plane to Nashville
"and suddenly being discovered.
"She realizes it's gonna take hard work."
And Fair Play threw her for that.

(01:23:21):
So I know you'd said the last 15 minutes or so,
you realised she's kinda found it for me,
it was the last like 30 seconds.
But good honour for that.
And great song as well.
Yeah, it's a good song.
And when I first read this, I thought,
"That's, someone's made that up."
But then I watched an interview with Miss Clara

(01:23:42):
from Backthew Future 3, Mary Steinberg,
who co-wrote the song.
Because apparently she's been writing songs for about 20 years or so.
And she's got a little team that she writes songs with.
There's a bit of a side gig.
She's published and she submitted the song for the film.

(01:24:03):
And it was picked.
Did she go into explanation in that video
as to how she started writing songs?
She didn't, but she said,
"But this song, she says her best friend is from Glasgow."
Okay.
And she'd been there a couple of times.
And she read the whole script for the of Wild Rose.
You know what I mean?
She wasn't just given a sort of synopsis of the plot.
She asked for the script,

(01:24:24):
so she could read the whole script.
So, you know, to help her write a good song.
So how did she get into writing songs?
Old Mrs. Danson.
And ex Mrs. McDowell as well.
You know, she used to be married to Malcolm McDowell.
Yes, I think it is.
Before Ted Danson.
She went in for surgery on her arm about 20 years ago

(01:24:45):
and got put under general anesthetic.
And then she woke up and all of a sudden she could hear music
in a different way.
Wow.
Just had all this music in lyrics in her head
that she never had before and started writing music.
So, wow, fancy.
But so, yeah, it's a great story.
Yeah, it's a nice positive thing for general anesthetic there.

(01:25:05):
But, yeah.
Yeah, amazing story.
And I was amazed.
I was like, it's not actually the Miss Clara.
Is it?
But, yeah, turns out it is.
Yeah, that's indeed.
Yeah, fantastic.
So, yeah.
So, do you think it's time to put Wild Rose through her smiley awards?
Is this because you're worried that your computer is going to...
Pack it again?
Yes, I do.

(01:25:26):
Yes, Greg.
Let's put Wild Rose through our smiley awards.
What's the first award?
So, the first award is the Bobbi the Barman award for the best pub.
And I was gratified to see that not only did they use the exterior
but they also use the interior of the famous "Loriston Bar" in Glasgow

(01:25:47):
which I think has remained pretty much unchanged since the light
maybe the 1960s or earlier.
I'd love a pint in there.
I've had to pay it in there before but you used it like a long, long, long time ago.
I'd had, obviously, it's Glasgow's Grand O'Lopra,
the bars in Nashville, but yes, the "Loriston Bar" of course.
But I would not be going for a pint and the fucking "Gradle Lopra"

(01:26:09):
and the fucking "Fuck that"
but when I saw the pub they were in, I was like, that looks like a cracking pub
and then when she runs out, I was like, "Oh, fuck, who's the "Loriston Barman"
like, oh, yes.
That's the Bobbi the Barman award sorted.
So, yes, definitely.
Ironically, when I worked at Frankie and Ben he's a Glasgow key on Pays the Road
when I would get the bus from Langside, I used to go past the "Loriston" every day

(01:26:34):
and sometimes, when we were heading back, if we were finishing at 5 o'clock
some of my colleagues and I would sometimes go and get a quick one in there
before we got the bus up the road.
The other half of that irony is that the key leisure parks
it's almost right behind the Grand Old Opera, right near the top of Pays the Road

(01:26:55):
so, there you go.
Irony.
Next the words are patron saint, it was definitely a part for Cosmo in this film by the way,
for fuck's sake.
Who looks better in a check shirt?
You know what I mean?
And I pay the jeans with a big belt buckle on.
Who looks better than James Cosmo?
He would have been great as like, "Janey Godly's husband"
behind a bar.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

(01:27:16):
He would have been great as like, "Janey Godly's husband" behind a bar.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
But James Cosmo award for being an Everton Scottish.
So I think there's one sort of fairly clear winner in Matt Costello.
But I think it's worth giving a wee special mention to the wee, the wee smacarte as well.
Yeah.
She's been in quite a lot of stuff lately, isn't she?
I had written Costello, but obviously it's a very blinkin' you'll miss it,

(01:27:38):
a role as well.
Yeah.
Iron car also, isn't it?
Do you know what's in the car?
Yeah.
She's one of the prisoners that just, "Scoon yourself, Hen!"
Yeah, I would agree, I think, yeah, I think it's, yeah, fighting to give them.
Next one then, the Jake McQuillan Award for the Teezu Award for Southern Violence.

(01:28:01):
There's not a huge amount, but I would say when she beats up Mississippi Tundra near the
beginning.
Yeah, but she's lucky she shouldn't get put back inside after that, because all they would
take for him to call the police and she'd have been back off the tag off back in jail and
that's her Nashville Dreams fuck.
You don't phone it.
Oh, nobody likes it, that's.

(01:28:22):
Especially in the Grand Ole Opry.
Yeah, I mean, I had that.
I also had them when they, although we don't see it, unfortunately, when the war shall
be tries to fucking kill the most annoying little boy in the world.
So, what about you, Harlan?
Next award then is the Yuma Gregor Award for Ishim Yudate.

(01:28:45):
No Yudate?
No, I don't think it was anybody.
What, see whether it was close off in it anyway, really, to be honest?
We see him.
Boyfriends Bear R's.
Oh, yeah, you do, and get us a bath.
That's right.
And then, yeah, but I had written down him, Shaggin in the park, 'cause that was close to,
close to that.
Do you have anything else just to bear the boyfriends Bear R's?
The Bear R's, yeah, that was it.
What's your go-for-here, the Frank Begbe Award for Extreme Language?

(01:29:08):
I like to stick with the classics, and I just really enjoyed the way she delivered it.
And it's the first swear word of the film, really, but it's when she got started to tag on,
and she's walking out of prison with her cow-a-boots, and it's just the way she delivers the fuck's sake.
I just, I really liked that.
But yeah, there is a lot.
What did you pick?

(01:29:29):
Well, I mean, it's not a good shirtist, but I liked, you mentioned it earlier on, but the scene where
I think, Mrs. Sipitundra says nobody wants to see a convicted criminal on stage, and she says,
"Johnny Cash was a convicted criminal, you're a ballbag."
So, not the most gratuitous swearing, but I thought, "Nice use of the word.
Nice use of the term ballbag."

(01:29:51):
Okay, next one then, "Aketype, Scottish moment, what did you go for for this?"
So, raging at an inanimate object seems quite Scottish, she has a fight with a security gate.
But I also had men's and tattoos for deep.
Oh, yeah, of course.

(01:30:12):
Oh, yeah.
I did like that.
Yeah, I don't have men's, my men's is your men's.
Yeah, I like that.
Yeah.
That was a beautiful line, actually, yeah.
My man, he's men's.
Yeah.
What did you go for?
I went with, really, I was in your dreams, or just that, dreams.
And let's be more realistic about things.
Oh, you just be fucking doer.
Yeah, suppose there's something.

(01:30:34):
We're not the most optimistic people collectively, no more of the roof.
It's like that, or obviously, Celtic connections would be a big thing as well.
Yeah, just, yeah, realizing your dreams are just that, dreams, just fucking knuckle down,
get that job at the bakery and fucking talk yourself out.
You see, you know, when you spend thousands of years getting it right up the arse
from your English neighbors that will take away your sense of optimism.

(01:30:56):
And then, last, lastly, who, the big time awards, who wins this for you?
Look, I hate it, Rose.
I said earlier, I hate to strawboard.
I did a really fucking dislike, Rose.
Jesse Buckley has to win it.
She's incredible.
Like, she's so good.

(01:31:17):
Amazing performance.
Amazing voice delivers it so well.
Yeah, Celtic that way from the beginning.
Celtic that way from her.
I don't like the character, but, yeah, Jesse Buckley for me, will that doubt yourself?
Yeah, the same.
I mean, the absolute, the thing is, like, Jesse Buckley's story, her journey is almost a more
compelling one than Rose's because she's, you know, like, she's grown up in a fairly musical household,

(01:31:43):
otherwise I don't think her parents were professional musicians, but she's, you know, she's gone,
she's, she's, she's gone to Radha, she's appeared on a fucking Saturday night talent show.
You know, albeit me, maybe one whether we, but they're touch more class than the, the ex-factors
and the Britons got talents and the voices and stuff like that.
But, sort of going on to become a really distinguished actress and musician, you know, she's got an album out with, with Bernard Butler,

(01:32:10):
that downloaded.
Yeah.
I'm going to have to give it a listen, and then we give it a listen, because she does have a phenomenal voice.
But, that's a, what a fucking great story. That is, you know, she's not even 40 and she's fucking, you know,
God, that is not a conventional road to the sort of success that she's achieved.
And, you know, sort of how it expected to be like an Oscar winner at some point in her future.

(01:32:35):
Yeah.
So, fucking good owner, I say.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Anyway, so that was where Rose is pretty available when you want to watch it.
If you want to pay for it, you can find it on Apple, you can find it on Amazon.
You might be on Netflix, depending on where you live in the world.
If you don't want to pay for it, it's always fucking pirate B.

(01:32:56):
I'm sure you'll find it on there.
So, Weld Rose was my choice.
If I'd known how fucking triggered it was going to make you make a part twice.
But that means, that means that it's your turn for the next episode.
So, what are we watching over the next couple of weeks?
I'm going to stick with a musical theme for the next episode, Greg.

(01:33:19):
For a new musical month.
Go like this in the list.
Oh, well, I'm going to take us forward a year to 2019 when the film was released.
But the film is set in 1994 in Livingston.
When best friends, Jono and Spanner are going to arrive for the first,
or perhaps the last time together, starring Christian Ortega, Lord McDonald, Laura Fraser, Brian Ferguson, and Steven McCull,

(01:33:46):
we're going to be looking at the 2019 film Beats.
I might have seen this before.
It's in black and plastic.
Why?
If you've seen it.
No, maybe not.
There is also, just to make you aware, there's a bit of you aware, Greg.
There's also an American film about hip hop, which is also released in 2019.
The whole "Beats".

(01:34:08):
Just to make clear, it's a black and white Scottish film about Jono and Spanner going to arrive.
It's not about drugs in hip hop in America.
But yeah, 2019's Beats.
It's on daily motion, if anyone wants to watch it, for free.
But yeah, so there we go.

(01:34:30):
That is what we're doing on the next episode of The Culture Swiling.
Oh yeah.
Alright, well thank you very much for listening.
I hope you enjoyed the show.
If you want to get in touch with this with anything you've seen online, anything you'd like to request,
or if you just want to say hello, you can email us.
Cultureswally@gmail.com
We are on Instagram @cultureswallypod.
We're on the toxic platform X.

(01:34:52):
We're on our posts there @spallypod.
It's been on my to-do list for the last three weeks to do like Blue Sky or Threads.
And we are on Threads, but I don't even know what the social is.
We're going to sort that in the next couple of weeks and get that sorted.
But we have a wonderful website that you could go to to contact us as well, don't we Greg?
You can find us at www.cultureswally.com

(01:35:15):
and with links to our socials, links to all the episodes, and a few features.
Come and give us a bit of traffic.
Wonderful, right?
Well, Greg's about to have a nervous breakdown because we, this episode has been fraught with technical issues.
I about to have a nervous breakdown because I need to try and edit this episode.
And because we're recording it a week before release, I need to get it done.

(01:35:36):
So we are both off to have nervous breakdowns.
Are you up to anything else tonight, Greg? Exciting?
Maybe if anyone's up for it, watch the third episode of Adolescence,
which I'm sure listeners will be all over.
That's big news, the new Netflix, Stephen Graham, Jack Thorne vehicle.
Although the only thing is, actually, what was his in it?

(01:35:57):
And every time I see him coming to screen, 21 seconds by, so I saw the crew come sent to my head,
somewhat ruining the serious nature of the drama.
I'm sure a lot of people are aged have that issue as well.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they're doing it.
Oh, well then.

(01:36:18):
Wonderful.
Have a lovely evening, until next time.
Until next time.
For 12 months for attempting to smuggle a package of heroin into a cornfield
by throwing it over the periniti.
I didn't know it was heroin.
But you were reckless as to what the package contained.
Well, if you mean was it off my face and didn't ask what was in it, then I...

(01:36:41):
bad kids and everything, and they put me in jail. It's pure ridiculous.
And actually, my advocate said at the time is no my fault.
No, whose fault was it?
What was the judges obviously for gaming this sentence?
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