Balancing Marriage, Kids, and 4 Businesses | Real Talk with My Wife | TDES Season 2 EP 1

Season 2 of The Dillon England Show kicks off with my favorite guest—my wife, Anna! We dive into what life looks like with two kids, running a business, chasing dreams, and trying to keep a strong marriage through it all. We talk entrepreneurship, parenting, birth stories, and what it really takes to support each other when life gets chaotic.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
But sometimes they leave the coffee being in the cherry,
and that also will build more acidityd versus like popping
it out of the.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Did not like that getting it out of the cherry.
Cut cut to that. Well. I told my midwife this
at my postpartum visit and she was like, you're kidding.
She's like, are you sure it was a midwife And
I'm like, that's what they told me.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, she was the one running the whole thing, like
she was the one that caught the baby. I caught
the baby and passed out.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh my goodness, this kid every breath.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I feel like they should offer drugs to the.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Mid That's what I need. My partner passed out.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Like the very first kid. The husband's role is not
to that child as to his wife. I'm thirty, gonna
be thirty two next year. I'm eight years away from forty,
and I'm probably only going to live till fifty what
so I'm only like halfway there?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Bet or not.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
We did it.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
First Child on the podcast, First Child in the podcast,
Probably only child You'll out on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, we were talking about trying to get Madlin on
the podcast. But people are weird on the internet. So
I don't know if that's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
We'll record our own podcasts for our family.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, that'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I think I was pregnant when we did this last you.
It would have been January of.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Twenty three, yeap that I was pregnant. You were pregnant
our first you were the second episode ever, really sixty
episodes ago. And then after we did that episode it
went really well and everyone was like, you need to
get your wife back on, and we tried multiple times.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, then after we have a kid, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Like it was hard, and then we have a second kid,
and then eventually with the relaunch with season two, I
was like, there's no perfect guess. This is kind of
like the full circle moment for us of like, yeah,
you know, almost a fresh start, and I'm like, there's
no better guest to set us off than my wife.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
So well, and every time I'm come on, I brought
a child.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
So it's true. Well, yeah, technically the first time the
child was in your stomach, she was still there. She's
still there. Not making any political statements, but she was there.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
She was there, and he is he is definitely here.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, we've actually been in the studio for like an
hour trying to get this kid to sleep.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
You know, the stars aligned for him to take a nap,
and he was sleeping when we got into your office.
And then just we're here, it was like silent out there.
I think that's what made him upset, so he might
be grunty, and yeah, we'll just roll with it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
So if you're listening to this and you just hear
like a slight brunt sound, it is not me, It
is not my wife. It is our second child.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
So I thought it'd be fun to start off by
kind of picking up with the topic that we left
off the first one.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
And a lot's happened since then that first podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, link the links somewhere links to the description of
the very first podcast. We weren't even in this studio.
This is this is your first time even recording this.
I mean I've been in here, but yeah, but recording
so yeah, and now we're here, and uh, I mean,
I guess we could start here today. We're gonna talk
about a couple of different things. Let's start here, Let's
tell them what we're gonna talk about, and then we'll
jump into whatever we want to talk about. Okay, today like,

(03:28):
I wanted to give my wife the opportunity to talk
about what it's like being married to an entrepreneur, now,
what it's like to be married to someone like pursuing podcasting,
what that means for her. And now we have kids.
So the first time we talked, we talked about marriage
and entrepreneurship. You know, how do you still have a
strong marriage within the craziness of owning your own business.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
But since then, we have two kids now.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
And now the question is going to be, like, how
do we keep moving forward. We're figuring it out. But
maybe some advice that we could give to people that
having their first kid, second kid. Maybe there's someone listening
that's looking to pursue entrepreneurship but their wife or their
spouse is nervous about that jump. We're gonna talk about
that today and now with the extra twist of kids,

(04:13):
and then we can just go wherever else we want.
We could talk about stories, we could talk about how
I'm right all the time, m and you know, we
can talk about like that that's the key to our marriage.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Your viewers are going to agree with that, and.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
All the dudes are like yeah, all the women are like, no, honey,
that's so wrong.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
They know they know.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
So let me ask you this is the first question.
When I told you that I wanted to start a podcast,
what was your first thought? Like, what what did you think?

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Okay, don't take this personally. You know you're not kind,
but you have a lot of hobbies, so I kind
of thought it was another hobby, like you have what
what was some hobbies when we first got married.

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Speaker 2 (05:50):
Musical music. Yep, you've written some songs. Yeah, they're absolutely
certified bangers. You wrote me a song We're dating Peter
cry You've written in a beat I did. Yep, you've
written a number of songs that are amazing. But that
you were really into that, which is why you know
a little bit about you had a foundation of this
kind of stuff. Then you did streaming during COVID for

(06:14):
a while and that was really like that got you
on a camera, microphones, like that kind of stuff. So
then you told me you wanted to do podcasting, which
it just seemed like it was like another vibe of
those hobbies. And you know, everybody needs an outlet. I
think I think everybody should have an outlet. I think

(06:34):
especially men should have an outlet, you know. So I
was kind of like, go for it, Yeah, why not,
not that it would become a career, but that it
was just something that you could do and you really
wanted to. Sure, why would you suppress your spouse's like hobbies.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
You forgot the little section there where I try to
make like a finance YouTube channel too. That was like
between streaming and this. Oh yeah, it was like talking
on like credit cards and budgeting apps, and.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Well, you're just trying to find your flavor of where
you wanted this to go. Like YouTube, you knew you
wanted to to do something with the camera. You knew
you wanted to do something in this space, but you
didn't really know what vibe. And so I think you've
you're still finding exactly and you have dreams before you
check this to go. But yeah, I just thought it

(07:21):
was a hobby.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
At what point did it change for you?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Where it was?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
This has gone from like, oh, this is Dylan's hobby.
He probably won't stay with it, but I'll support him,
you know, I'll see, you know, see if this can
make sense. At what point in this journey did it
turn to like you and like, oh this might be
here to stay. Do you remember?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I don't know exactly when, but I think it just
you just didn't let up the pedal. I think sometimes
with other hobbies it kind of like fades, like your
desire for it fades, and this one just never really faded.
Like you just kept thinking of bigger things, and you
you know, bigger guests and you know, Brandon Tatum came on,
which is amazing, which was crazy how that even came about,

(08:06):
and the drope Berry podcast went really really well, and
you just kept having more and more opportunities. Yeah, that
kept coming up, and so we were like, I guess
we're still I guess you're still doing this, you know. Yeah,
so every opportunity I've kind of was waiting for the
opportunities to start dying. Not that I wanted your dream

(08:27):
to die, but like.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Thank you, but it's gonna be such a good clip.
I was waiting for your dream to die.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
No. The way that like I was that was when
I would be like, Okay, so this is just a hobby.
Like if the opportunity stopped coming and your desires to
do this stops, you know, then we knew chill out.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I was directed to the baby by the way.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
I forget this is going to go on Spotify too. Yeah.
The Audio Listeners Curtis is making his debut it's okay,
he's just wanted to talk to microphone. Okay, I should
be sleeping now.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
So you have like a date, like, I guess how
so I've had way more passionate hobbies that you've kind
of just said okay, let's try it. Yeah, did you
do you? Like, what would you say to spouse is
out there that like, you know, I'm a visionary, that's
my personality. I'll always trying new things. Right, So, if
there's a wife out there that her husband is always
just on the next thing, on the next thing, like,

(09:24):
there's challenges with that too, right now, Visionaries.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Can be very frustrating for people who aren't. I think
any like what's the opposite of a visionary non visionary?

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Okay, like an analytical person? An engineer?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, okay, Mike, take it. Well any engineer friends you have, right,
you know? But I think that, yeah, if you're not
in and if you're not a visionary, then it's just
it can be very frustrating to live with someone who is.
If there's like so like, there's no I'm a very

(10:00):
practical person. I feel like my creativity level is just here,
my practicality is just here, Like very even you know,
I can only do so much. So if there's a
lot of ideas coming at you at one time, I'm like, okay,
I practically you can actually accomplish any of those. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Like to give the perspective, like I go to Anna
probably like once a month with like some new even
if it's within once.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Every two days every day.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, I mean, even if it's not like brand new ideas,
it's changing idea or trying to improve something. Yeah, Like
it's not like I have a new hobby every day,
but like I'm trying to always improve.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
I think that's where the monotony of a nine to
five really doesn't speak to you. Yeah, and that's where
I think a lot of people find like the day in,
day out grind. I mean, what you do is day grind,
you know, every day, but that that can be really hard.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
So then like, how have you been able to live
with me? Like, and I know by the way, she's
doing an amazing job everyone balancing this kid and also
caring a conversation.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Man, been doing really good. It needs to chill out.
It's like it's talking. I think it's the second kid,
the first kid. This would really really make me anxious
but this one has just been It's just the way
life is a blessing. Like, honestly, my anxiety has been
so low.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
But sorry, we can we can side truck here, Like
we've rolled better with this kid, just gone with the
flow better, yea, like not try to make such rigid
like this is the schedule, this is this. We've been
a little more Yeah, we've been a little more roll
with it.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Madeline, I was I was crazy and I had a
lot of the hormones were a little bit crazy. With him,
I didn't even feel like which is not for every woman.
I feel like the majority of women experienced baby blues,
which I did with Madeline, I didn't other than being
sick when we came up from the hospital, I didn't
have any like a week of just being super hormonal, which,

(11:58):
praise the Lord.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
I've been more homonial than you have recently. Yeah, but
I have re since I'm going on in my brain.
But back to the visionary conversation, Yeah, like, how how
have you been able to like deal with my crazy
like I mean like recently, like this is new, no
one knows this, but like I'm working behind the scenes.

(12:20):
I'm trying to build some sort of golf show, right,
and like there's another new idea, and then there's I'm trying.
I just started a new business where I'm doing podcast consulting,
and all of this has happening at the same time.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
We've been married for almost seven eight No, this will
be seven in September.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
I sure it's not gonna be eight eighteen to twenty
six based. Oh yeah, it just felt like eight years.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
To me. It is.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, Like, I mean, you've had time to practice with
a little bit of my crazy. But like I think it's.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
A matter of just growing with with your spouse and
loving them. I mean, there's things about me that you've
had to grow and love through and.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Not as much as you've had to do with me.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
But it's there.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well you know, no, no, don't don't look into that
too deep.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
It's there. It's there.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Oh, go on, But like, is there is there been
something that you've like kind of just leaned into, Like
you've act like it took you a while to accept
in our marriage, but now it's like, oh, like this
is maybe just kind of who Dylan is, or maybe
there's just been trust built in our marriage where you're
like it will work out you.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Know, I think the majority of it has been trust
between me and God and not so much between me
and you, because I always trusted you, but between me
and God to be like the Lord will lead you
where he wants you to go, and I don't have to.
You know, sometimes when when your kids walking and you're
just right there like doing this. Sometimes I felt like

(13:54):
at the beginning of our marriage, I was kind of
like with all your ideas, kind of like okay, really
and really you know, But now it's just like, you know, A, yeah,
you're supporting our family and this is the path God
has you on right now. And I'm there too. But
I don't need to. I don't need to like put

(14:15):
it all in a box. Sure, yeah, I try to
put it in your box. Yeah right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
But on the flip side, there are times where you'll
practically like pull me out of it, like I'll give
you I'll give it. One a good example like when
when I reached out to Brandon Tatum. For those who
don't know who Brandon Tatum is, he's a political you know,
I don't know what the word is. Pundit could talk
show host his three four million subscribes on YouTube at
that time, by far, my biggest quote unquote celebrity guest

(14:41):
reached out to him rannimbly on his website.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
He said yes, and I came home on that Friday.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
I literally reached out to him Friday, a like four thirty,
right before I was going to leave, and I come home.
I'm hyped to tell you, and I'm like, we got
to figure out how to afford to fly to Arizona.
That's why I told it. I was like, we got
to figure it out. I know we don't really into
the budget right now, but like, I'm going to figure
it out. This is too big for me to pass up,
you know. And I'm like, I'm already like in Arizona
in my head, you know, just trying to do And

(15:09):
then you just didn't have peace about it. You You
were like, the we don't have it in the budget.
It's not a wise financial play, Like we just can't
do it. Yeah, and so you so even you know,
you are supportive, but there are times where you've kind
of grounded me.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
We're a team, and I feel like we're a team,
and I think you do too, and so it's not
offensive if I lean into yours.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Mad like the thing is like I it did I
think for the Visionaries kind of cross No, all right,
but it was frustrating because I was like I really
wanted to go and I knew you were right. I
think that's the thing I was frustrated at, like you
were being the logical one. Yeah, but but I.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Think you took your dad's advice when we first got married,
when your dad was like, listen to your wife about
ideas and stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, like lean into he said, just you know your
wife's intuition, like about women's and.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, I'll also say, and this is a sidetrack, but
I think dads have good intuition, and you've had good
intuition being it being a father.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
I think that's also just a you know, to bring
up religion, just just praying through it. You know, we
probably should pray more together obviously than we do, but
I pray a lot by myself, and I think that
that helps. I always tell I joke with Trevor that
like my gut, like when I pray through things like
normally like so far my intuition has been decent. I've
been wrong a lot too, and that's like there have

(16:35):
been times where we've been wrong we've made mistakes and
we bought something that was actually a poor decision to buy,
or we got lumped into some subscription that we shouldn't
have been lumped in. And but that's where the trust
in each other, but also the trust in the Lord
comes from. Yeah, but I wanted to finish the branditative story,
so you you told me not to. I was bummed.

(16:57):
I'm like, I didn't want to do virtual Amen, Curtis.
If you do hear that heavy breathing in the microphone,
I promise we don't have like a dB acceptive or something.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
He's trying to fall asleep.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
He's a cute kid. Yeah, you're okay, it's a rough life.
We could do some baby ASMR.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
We were doing that earlier. Well. Yeah, And I I mean,
I'm not going to just if you're asking my opinion,
I'm not going to give it. I mean, I'm not
going to withhold it and then get bad at you
later because you know obviously, But you know, I think
we've we've developed a good friendship in our marriage and

(17:43):
a good teamwork that we respect each other in that
and also too, you don't want to Yeah, I think
that that's I think that that's fair. As we're as
we're developing different things, you'd want your partner on board
and supportive.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Right right, And that's the thing of up to try
to finish this story. Two days after you told me no,
the Babylon B videos started going viral on YouTube, Like
that's the that's what I'm trying to get to. Like you,
I was bummed. I wanted to do this very unwise thing.
I listened to you and I said, you know what

(18:20):
I was probably was probably right on this one.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
And then the Lord blessed that.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
And then two years later, I mean two days later
is when my channel actually like blew up for the
first time, like with those two videos just go absolutely
and then yeah, and then it ended up being even
better because I tried to get in virtually it didn't work.
There was tech problems, and he ended up being in
Detroit and then invited me to Amfest and so like.
But if I would have tried to force that, like,

(18:46):
I don't know how it would have right, It could have.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Been down, It could have been pretty poor. Sorry, just
checking on a babysitter.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Okay, Oh Malin is probably waking up if that's she's
good anyway, yeah, so this is such a chaotic podcast.
Like I feel like both of us were like trying
to like stay on script right now.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I'm just trying to keep He's struggling, but that's okay.
He's always been grunty. Yeah. In the hospital, oh man,
he was like an hour old and just the wheezing.
I remember. So when we had Madeline, complete brand new
parents hadn't done a lot of babysitting, very very fresh,

(19:31):
Like we're asking the nurses how to change diaper, you know,
all that kind of stuff. Went through it all with
the the first couple of months, we're pretty rough figuring
things out him. He's born, were I'm chilling.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, And it was a tub birth, which is water
water tub birth. It was in the tub, right, yeah, okay,
is that not what you say water birth?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
We weren't. Well, actually that was on you because I
hated the tub the first time around.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
No, no, no, it wasn't on me. You're welcome for this.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
No, I know, I'm saying thank you, thank you, but
it was I hated the tub because the nurses didn't
make the water warm enough, so it was just like
barely lukewarm, and like that's not going to help anything.
And so then when I told him I wanted just
to shower. I didn't want a tub in the room.
And you told the nurse.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Did you hear me say that?

Speaker 2 (20:26):
No? Through it?

Speaker 1 (20:30):
And I went to the nurse and I was like,
give us a dub room. She's going to change her mind.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Well, I remember, I had a couple of contractions on
the bed because we were doing this naturally, because I
have a phobia of needles. Remember the ante ces y'all
just comes in the room and he's like a student
antisys y'all just and he's trying to explain, like I
wanted if I had to sign something, because if I
had to get an epidural, I wanted to do that
before it was like really a problem. And he's like
trying to explain this and I'm like, you're gonna make

(20:56):
me pass out, dude, just let me sign whatever I
need to sign. And I'm having contractions. Had a couple
on the bed, horrible, had a couple in the bathroom
hanging on to you for dear life yep, and oh yeah,
and Hope was filling up the tub and the tub
turned out to be the best thing. And by the
time I felt pushy, which happened within like thirty minutes

(21:19):
of being in the tub. An hour maybe, no, it
was it was an hour, yeah, an hour, an hour
and a half, which with Madeline's labor it was hours
and hours and hours. But when I started feeling pushy,
I was like, I'm not leaving. We're just going to
deal with this right here.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, that'd be great.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I will say, didn't are the midwife passed out?

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Oh that's a good story, I.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Told yeah, that's that's a good story. Well, I told
my midwife this my postpartum is that. She was like,
you're kidding, and she's like, are you sure it was
a midwife? And I'm like, that's what they told me.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
She was the one running the whole thing, like she
was the one that caught the baby. I didn't come
in the baby and passed out.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
I didn't even know she was in the room because
my eyes were closed. I was totally air pods in
hypno birthing. App I was like.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Not also just screaming your head off, bloody murder. I
will say, yeah, Well, let me tell the story first
about the nurse, and then I'll also give advice for
husbands that ever have to deal with a wife that
doesn't want to get a epidural, which is fine, but
it is a different experience.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Because you're cut out to it.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Though yeah I am.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
I'm so cut out for it. I hate it though. Well, yeah,
it's not fun.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I mean, and I know the women's already gonna be
the comments being like, your husband's complaining and he didn't
have to go through labor, just saying it. It's just
not fun watching someone you love go through.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
That much pain. I was thinking to myself, it was
more coherent with this birth. You were a little bit
when when I was at the end pushing, there's all.
I mean, some women can do it without making a sound.
I don't know. I was fighting for my life or
not that one. I was fighting for my life, doing
a lot of praying and just you know, doing that.

(22:53):
I had to do it. And I'm screaming, clearly, yeah,
trying not to.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
It's like it's like the scream, like the spit scream,
like you're drooling, just very visual, just agony.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
It's agonizing, but it's very like. Yeah, but I remember
thinking to myself in that moment, I was like, this
is what I would sound like. If I was being tortured. Yeah,
and I don't really don't. I don't mean to scare
anyone that's planning an actual birth, because we will do
it's awesome. Yeah, we did it a second time. We'll
do it again. I don't know, we're crazy, but it was.
It was the best option for us.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
But the point of view saying, I mean, we don't
have to clarify everything, it's scary. Yeah, it's it's because
especially a lot of at least I like to control things,
and that's something you just can't control. And you're just
like I I'll do what I can to help.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
But I will say I felt very much in control.
Well Curtis's birth, like there was like I know it
sounds bad and there's it's it's painful, but like I
felt very in control, and I, well, you knew what
you were doing.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
You you knew what you were doing more. Yeah, yeah,
you knew what you were doing more. But go back
to the midwife anyway, So, uh, midwife is there. There's
two of them in there, two women, and then Hope
and then me crowded around this bathtub and then when
and when we made the decision because Anna was like

(24:08):
Anna helps her, Yeah, okay, hopes are doula. When Anna
says she's coherent, and uh, she thinks she is, but
she's really not. Like she's like I was cohering the
whole time, and it's like we had to talk ask
her nine times each time she wanted something because she
was out of it, so like I was focusing, you
were focusing. So she's just on her knees, facing kind

(24:33):
of like a corner ish area, right, And then we
make the decision that we're just going to deliver the
baby there in the water, which I was like, okay
that I just we just weren't. That wasn't the plan,
you know that that was new for me. And immediately
I think, like, how's the baby going to breathe? What
if it slips in the We didn't talk about water
birth because it was just not a not something we did.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
But so when it was happening, i'm i'm I got
kind of.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Crowded out because because Hope was it was I hadn't
been holding your hand. Then I had to switch because
my back was like I just couldn't do it, Like
there was no knee pads. So it was like he
was like Hope switch, so you were actually like I
was just squeezing, carrying.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
And like spitting all over it.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
And and then and then when you start like pushing
the babies coming like I was just like what do
I do? Because like I was like, you're holding Hope's hand,
you know, I'm just there, like and so I kind
of like kneel by you, like.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, I get.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I was like you got this, like this almost there.
And then the baby just kind of like came out.
And then the girl that passed out, she's like, it's.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Here, it's you.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
I see the head I had pushed, puch push, and
then the baby came out. She's like, I got it.
Cut it and they pull it up. And Curtis didn't
cry it first, right, they.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Gave rid of and they gave him to me. No, no, no,
he didn't cry.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
He didn't cry it first because he stilled water and
they like were hitting his back and then he coughed
it up and then he cried and it was a
beautiful moment. I start sobbing at like I've cried for
both kids, and it's it's wonderful. Yeah, And so I
make sure you're fine, so they give you the baby
in the water to make sure you can hold it.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Nurse help.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, everyone's good. And I look around and the midwife's
not there. And what happened was I had to I
had to go get a new towel, whole bass me
to grab something. I think it was like your robe
or something that like that we could help you get
you know, clothed and get you to the bed or whatever.
And I walk out and the midwife is in the chair.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Like passed out and seen her yet were the.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Nurses around, No, she just passed out And I was like,
guys like and then like all sin they were like
oh shoot, and she like so they get like much cold.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
So then like she's doing cold compress. This has been
a student because she caught she's the one that caught
the baby. But there were too there on my head,
I understand, bet you that was the the main midwife
and then she was in training, but she never introduced
herself as a student.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
No, But I'm just saying like, there wasn't you. When
you say this too, people think like, oh, there was
someone like kind of helping her.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
There was no one else back there, But she was
actually say like that, she just.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Passes out and like is like cold sweats and then
they like get her to leave the room before you
come out.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
So funny. I didn't know any of this until we
were in the recovery room.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, because I walk back in the bathroom and helps
like did she pass out? I'm like, dude, she's like
not in a good spot right now. I wonder if
that was her first like water bird. But to be fair,
it's also warm in there. It was very warm in
the bathroom and also the hot water. It's like it was,
you know, just a lot in you know.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
It's messy. It's in a tub.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, and it looks like stew when you're done.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
No, not right when I was there, Honey, I've got
pictures in clear water.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, I'm saying afterwards, Oh sure I went. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, it was very visual for your listeners.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
But it was awesome And shout out University of Michigan.
Really great. We love them.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Oh great experience. Right, the midwives had been phenomenal. His
birth was just easy. It Praise the Lord, it was.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, it was because we lived forty five minutes away
from the thing, and so I always get a little nervous.
But yeah, this one went and then we got Shakeshack
and that was really good. It was just like it
was pretty solid. But then sorry, back to his grunting.
So so that was.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Oh yeah, So literally he is out for like an
hour and oh my goodness, this kid every breath.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Imagine hearing that for it was so long night and
I remember I remember laying there on the like couch
thing and the thing, and I had a.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Sound machine with us and it didn't do enough. But
the nurse kept coming in and I was like, is
this normal, and she's like, some babies are just like
it might go away after a long period of time.
And I'm like, he's going to sleep next to us
for months and months and months. This is going to
be terrible. Yeah, it went away after like, but he's
still grunty. Yeah, but that was awful. That was funny.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, I just I didn't sleep but all the first
two nights because but then to turn out he had
an oxygen.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
No one goes to have a baby, and then is like,
you know what, that was the best sleep of my
life in that hospital.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I mean, you don't think people that get drugged up
sleep good or not.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I don't think anyone ever does. You got nurses walking
in offer drugs to the men. You know, that's what
I need. My partner passed out, Like, let us get
some morphine as I can't walk to the bathroom. He
can't hand me anything because he's it's like slobbering in
a corner. A heavy sleeper in them Gillan.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, that's like every night whenever you have to get
you're such a heavy sleeper. I am not when he's
cuckooing for eight hours.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
This time, you've been like if I'm good out of bed.
Sometimes you just sit up. You're like what what dude?

Speaker 1 (30:08):
When I have to when I like wake up, even
if you don't ask me to. And I like, like
last night he was crying. I feel like he was
crying every single time. Yeah, and I like would get up.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
I like, okay, I can help, Like, but I don't
know where I am. I don't know who you are.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, like I don't know who this child is, but
I'm here to help.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
One time, you like got up and you were like
I can help you. Then I was like great, and
then you were gone. I did it. One time he
was so tired, it was like four in the morning.
He went down and got in the shower.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah. Yeah, this is like because your mom was still here.
This was like who was born? I like slept walk
to the shower.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
You thought it was like morning. I woke up at like.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
And this was like a week after he was born.
And then we were also really sick. Yeah after that,
and I woke up and I don't know, I just
woke out of this rim cycle just like you know,
time to starting to go, you know, And then I
don't remember getting to the bathroom. I like, so I
remember like waking up in bed, thinking like all right,
I'm going to get a good start to this day.

(31:14):
And then the next thing I remember, I'm in this
shower and I'm like, man, I am really.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Tired, like so it's really dark, like.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Shampooing my hair, I'm body wash. I'm like ready to go.
And then I get out of the bathroom was like
four fifteen, and I'm like, so I just draw off,
go back to bed, midnight shower. Yeah, so that happened.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
That's weird, the things that happened with a newborn. But
other than that, dead life, Dad, Life's good. How has
it been having Because I remember with Madeline, you took
a lot of time off, yeah, or you just came
back to help me. I mean I just didn't know
what I was doing.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
You you requested me home, and I feel like I
was just like I just remember the flat the first
three months of Madeline just to be a blur, like
I couldn't focus on work. I was so exhausted, Like yeah,
I just.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Remember it, even though it were hard because we were
trying to get her down. She didn't really want you
very much.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
And then when I would come home, it was just like.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Sorry, baby, but now you've got a second yeah, and
the first.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, this has been surprised, like so much better in
every way. Yeah, And so this is I think most
now all dads will resonate. I've said this before, I
says to you like a friend of mine Brandon is
actually the exact opposite of me, where he loves the
newborn stage. And I think it was the way we
did the newborn stage, like I've looked at this way more.

(32:51):
But like we were trying to get her down at
seven thirty every night, regardless of she was ready to
go to bed, and like just so before yeah, out
in her screaming.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
So I'd come home.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
I maybe would have an hour, and then it'd be
just fighting a you know.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
New boy, and sometimes you're making dinner. If I was
like right dealing.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
With her, yeah, So it was just it wasn't fun,
Like you got the snuggles during the day, yeah, and
then by the time I got home, it was just
like crabby baby every day.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
And so I just remember just being like, this isn't
to connect, you know, with you, you know, your breastfeeding,
and so she needs you, she needed you, she didn't
need me, and she knows you better because she smells
you and everything like that. And so like a lot
of times like I couldn't the only reason I was
even holding her was to give you a break, but
there was just no chance I was actually going to

(33:40):
get her down for a while. Eventually I did, but
for a while it was like I was just doing
it just to give you a mental break or just
so you get a shower. Yeah, And so that was hard.
I think this with the second kid, it like I
have bonded with Madeline way more than I thought. I was, Like,
I just never thought that that was going to happen.
But like the moment he was born, instead of me

(34:02):
being like and I don't get me wrong. I love
the fact I have a son. I love him to death. Yeah,
but I have been so much more like protective of
Madeline and even like her feelings. Like we were over
at a friend's house and she was sitting at the
kid's table and all the kids got up and left
her because they're older than her, and she was just
sitting by herself. So I just I couldn't help. I
just sat on the floor next to her and ate.
We both ate our sandwiches together, because like I just

(34:24):
couldn't help it, Like yeah, and like that was new,
like that level of like relationship with her, And now
she's just fun.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
And she's a daddy's girl.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Sure, you know. So that's been and so what you've
poured into him, I now have someone I can pour
into that needs me, And I think that's been really
enjoyable because like again he doesn't I mean, obviously he
needs his dad, but he really needs his mom right now.
And so now there's a child that I can just
absolutely pursue.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Well, And I feel like you've with this time around,
it's been more helpful because and you gave another friend
at this advice that like this is the time for
you to pour into your wife and necessarily the infant. Yeah,
because the infant doesn't need you, aren't like want you
very much, but like this is the time for your
wife to need you a lot more.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yes, yeah, and especially the first time, like the very
first kid, the husband's role is not to that child
as to his wife, Like like the wife got it, yeah,
like you, you had it under control. I didn't need
to worry about with you with Madeline. You're going to
keep her alive, You're going to change your diaper. But
like what could I do for you? Was it cooking?
Was it cleaning? Did you need me to help plan

(35:29):
meals at the grocery shop? Like that's how really a
dad could be the most the best dad early on,
especially on the first kid. Yeah, and so, but with
the second one, I felt like you your mom was
here longer, which helped, and she actually was kind of
like helping you in some respects. But since then, like

(35:49):
I feel like I'm helping you by just like helping
Madeline and watching Madeline.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
And I feel like maybe your listeners could could relate
to this. Who've got more than two kids, You've got
three or four kids. It's just like you learn how
to multitask, like you learn how to expand what you
can do. I think when you have the first kid
and you're doing one thing and you're just like, I
can't imagine my life being any more busy.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Now.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
I'm juggling too at home. You know, I'm still doing
real estate. You've got two extra businesses since we had
Madeline and your podcast and your day job. So it's
like expanding the range of what's possible. Obviously it's not
ideal to like stretch yourself thin when it comes to

(36:33):
having a new kid, but it's just our life right now. Yeah.
I mean, but he's been like the easiest part of
this whole time.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, he's been a blessing man. He's been a big blessing.
We're just we're thankful for it to the expansion business thing.
But like I some people say this is the worst
time for probably me, But is it? Because we were
talking about season in the car the other day and
I'm like, I don't feel the time to do all

(37:04):
the crazy stuff. Is when your kids have the memories, Yeah,
like when they're seven and they want you to go
to a recital or a game and you're not there.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Like as hectic as this season is, I feel like
this is kind of the last chance, like the last
good chance to jump into a new business and new
entrepreneurship space, like a new stretch that's going to hit
us financially for a couple months because I'm building something
new and like that, Like is it ideal when it
comes to finances and a new kid with new expenses?

Speaker 2 (37:36):
No?

Speaker 1 (37:37):
But is it better that we wait till they're ten? Yeah,
and for debt, you know, for.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Dad's life to be a little crazy working late. Yeah, No,
probably not. So it does make sense obviously ideal that
you would wish you would have done this, You wish
that before children, this is what happens. I mean, that's
just not how life goes.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
No, and you can't think that way either, because but.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Didn't you think that way out of college? You were like,
you know, I'll grow my business, then I'll be like
at a point and I'll have kids. Yeah, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I was going to be a millionaire by thirty.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I remember you mentioned that multiple Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Because and I mean just because we hit it so
strong with insurance, Yeah, like we saved more than people make.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
But you found out that through that particular career in insurance,
you were like, this is not my long term career, right,
Like You've enjoyed it, yeah for the most part for
what it is, but quickly you learned I don't want
to do this rest of my life. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
But I also learned it's not a waste. It wasn't
a waste, and that was something that took me because
for a while I was thinking it was and I
got really frustrated because you know, we have the podcast
is growing. I'm literally flying out to Dallas next week
to you know, parlor, which is that's just crazy that
that's even happening, you know, in our life and now

(38:53):
just trying to start new businesses and create more types
of content and all this kind of stuff. Like I
was like, man, if I should have just made of
five years ago. But the lessons that we've learned.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Oh yeah, and the confidence that you've built. I think
that's the biggest thing is seeing confidence through sales and
in something that has helped a lot of people. You've
had some really amazing stories and insurance specifically, but that
has given you such confidence from when we first got

(39:24):
married to be able to do something like this and
then like randomly like your hobby of streaming, you know that,
we were like, oh, that could be a waste for
a year, and like it absolutely was not because you
learned about being on camera and conversational skills and stuff
like that. So not at all. And these doors just
keep opening and we are actively praying through each of them,

(39:48):
what do we where is this going? And it's exciting.
It's really exciting, and I feel very fulfilled being a
mom in real estate and holding that down. Want to
delay this? Yeah for a career?

Speaker 1 (40:03):
No, you no, And I think we delayed it probably
too much, you think, so, I don't know. I think
now that I have them, I.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Was like, what was I waiting for?

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, yeah, you know, that could be the thing, But
I think it was the right Like I don't think
we were ready, but well, at the same time, you're
never ready, and that's the thing. Like, No, we would
have figured it out.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
We would have.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I think we would have grown faster. I think that
it would have pushed them to grow. It would have
pushed us to grow faster than we did.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Possibly, I think there's a big fear when it comes
to children nowadays. The majority of people are waiting way
later to have kids. And for me, it was a fear.
That's why we were We got married at twenty two,
twenty three, Yeah, and waited like five years before we
try to have kids. And I think that I was
just an our dentist. I was talking to her, and

(40:48):
you know, she was saying that, like I'm nervous. She's
older than me, right, but she was like, you know,
talking about should I have kids? Should I not? I'm
nervous about what this will do to my relationship with
my husband m because I think maybe they have friends.
You know, you've got people in your life that have kids,
and it just changes this dynamics so much that it's

(41:08):
like do I even want that. I know that their work,
I know that there, I know that all the challenges
that they'll bring and the delay to a couple of careers,
you know, but and this relationship could really deteriorate. I
mean if you let it. And I was telling her,
I was like, don't wait, like, yeah, have they been married?

(41:31):
I didn't ask, but I was just like, you can
be intentional with your spouse.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, yeah, No, there's two you know, there's a there's
two sides of this coin. Because I think I want,
if you're married, have a bunch of kids, you know,
populate this earth. You know, we need We're in a
population decline. Go crazy. I have eight kids, you know,
and I think God blesses those that love on their kids,

(41:59):
that have kids and their children.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, but there are people that will jump the guns
that you should get married and have your honeymoon baby
and just jump into family planning.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
And I think the first a minimum, the first two
or three years for our marriage was pivotal. Our first
year of marriage was rough. Yeah, we fought a lot. Oh,
I couldn't imagine getting pregnant right. And then and then
the next two years twenty nineteen was sweet. Twenty twenty
was sweet in its own way because we got Athena
or our dog, and then we stayed at home together,

(42:30):
and like we had built through COVID together, it was
getting into real estate, right, And so I think those
were just really pivotal years to anchor our marriage and
just love on each other. And we went on multiplifications,
you know, we went too, We went to Vegas, we
went to Tuloom, we went to wherever else we went to.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I didn't feel a big pressure to have kids right
away to do.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
My point is when you say, don't wait, have kids,
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
If she's been married for a year, Oh no, we're
talking about pushing it into your thirties because of your
career and stuff like that, right or just or mostly
just the fear around what will a child do to
my life?

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Because and that's just selfishness. Yeah, I think I don't
know if that's even fear.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
I think it's just No, it's fair and a fear
of like, I've got a good thing going with my
husband right now. We have a good rhythm. A child
will ruin that rhythm and they do.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, but she make you fat. Children
make you fat.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah, so fat I was when Madelin got born.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Oh listen, men deal with sympathy weight, okay, sympathy nausea,
And that's probably been my problem. I don't know if
it's just I don't really know what the issue is.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
But but your life is so much richer and joyful.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah, and you have higher cholesterol.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I think you're just aging.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
No, no, I'm telling you you're getting old.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
I thought you were thirty this year. Thirty.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
I'm thirty, gonna be thirty two next year. I'm eight
years away from forty and I'm probably only going to
live till fifty, so I'm only like halfway there, bet
or not? Well, the way my health is better going, Dude,
I should buy some more life insurance.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
I don't know the guy that sells it. Hey, yeah,
did you get commissioned off of your own Yeah? Yeah, ye.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Anyhow, I don't know where we're going with that.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Now, kids are blessing. Sorry, do you have to have
it on vibrate? I always have it on vibrate in
a podcast Rule number one. Thank you for this.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
If you're a guest on a podcast, don't put your
phone on vibrate. Okay, I've got a babysitter and you
can see if it pops up on the screen.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Sorry, no.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
I actually when I was recorded a parlor last in April,
my phone was buzzing the whole time because somebody I
was on some group chat and I forgot to turn
it off vibrate and I was talking to I think
it was Yaser or something, and it was the whole time.
It was just driving me insane.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Was your budgets vibrating the whole time? Yes, the whole time,
at least no one heard it, and you were just like.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
I felt it.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I'm sorry, very present, lovely, I'm gonna mute this.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
See that I was asking you to do that without
actually asking you.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
To do that. Oh well, this is the babysitter. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Checking to see if our children is still alive.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I moved the a little bit more time, but her
mom wants to pick her up in a little bit.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Okay, so should go.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
No, we're fine, We'll just make sure it's fine. Oh cool,
leave that right there. Cool. Gurtis just sighed, Wait, it's
finally asleep. They're texting perfect. Yeah, about fifteen minutes left, yeah,
ten minutes, three minutes. So exciting things I have been

(45:58):
hearing y'all don't know. I know all the things with
the podcast, upcoming future plans mm hmm, golf content.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Oh yeah, that's that's exciting.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Every couple of days you're like, man, I just wish
we could do like get me to do golf with
you and stuff, And I'm like, can I have a
koala with us? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:21):
So for those is it.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Fine to golf with an infant?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
So I see a lot of people do it, and
in every comment oh yeah, like like they golf with
an infant and every single time people are like, what
are you doing?

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Negative about it?

Speaker 1 (46:34):
It's most some people like that's the cutest thing ever,
Like that's so creative. Like one guy I created like
a it was like a push thing, but it was
like a stroller. And then build a golf clothes, you
know whatever. And so some people are like, man, that's awesome.
Other people are like, you're putting your kid in a
death trap. I think it's golf.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Have you ever been hit by a golf ball?

Speaker 1 (46:49):
We've been close. Our car just got to hit one
like two times ago.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
I don't really feel like it's a dangerous sport.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
You don't golf enough to talk into this. Though it's
south Gate par three, down River Golfers. It is a
death trap maybe because when it's packed, no normal courses,
when people are good.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
No, it's not that big of a golf with my
daddy when I was Madeline's age, so you're a here pro,
You're like, I'm ready when I was three. All I
remember my father died at a young age, so I
didn't golf with him very long tragic, yes, but I
remember he'd let me go drive the golf cart. Yeah,
he told me not to tell mom.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
With three, I.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Must have been two or three. I was, and I
remember chatting a bunch and he was like trying to
and he's like, Anna, gotta be quiet. That is the
hard part with golf.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Like if you do take a child and they're just
screaming the whole time, like that.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Would yeah, you need to go to a quiet course. Yeah, yeah,
I know.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
I Anyway, I found to really enjoy golf, and I've
found to really enjoy golf content. And I am working
on an idea of trying to bring these type of
conversations out on the golf.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Course telling people about you're telling about.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
It not really, No, I'm not when I actually have
real when I'm ready to really pull the trigger, I
don't want to promise something and then it gets lot.
So we're working through the ideas. We're working through it.
We've recorded a bunch of content and trying to get
it better. But before we actually like announce or release something,
I want to have a little bit more ready.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
It's exciting now, but it is exciting and we have
some amazing guests, so uh other updates. I'm flying to
Dallas next week. Yeah, which by the time this gets out,
you know, this is coming out the week I get back,
so I'll have I'm doing like nine interviews in Dallas.
It's gonna be it's gonna be amazing. It's gonna be awesome,
love interviewing the studio there, and then after that we

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have another like thirteen guests scheduled here in Michigan in
the next month.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
It's gonna be great.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
So a lot of yeah, a lot of exciting things,
a lot of busy things, and.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah, I think I'm excited for it.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
I'm excited for this.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
I'm excited for I think.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
If I could give any like piece of advice when
it comes to podcasting, is you mentioned earlier the fact
that I've like stuck to it and I've had the
motivation stick to it this whole time, And the first
part is true, the second time parts not true. Like
I've definitely gone through waves of like what am I doing?
Thinking I can make a successful podcast, and then like

(49:22):
I don't want to record And this is actually we're
six months in. This is the first sit down in
person interview I've done since Amfest. Well, and it's not
just been because of motivation, right, I mean, I've been
really sick, but yeah, that doesn't help with motivation. And
there are other things like you know, when when the
jol the Babylon b stuff took off YouTube, I'm like,

(49:43):
this is it, Like we're big. We're a big show now,
and then to have podcasts go back to hit thirty
views like that, Yeah's it's tough to swallow. And if
you don't have someone supporting you, it makes it so
much harder. And having your support throughout all of this
has Like if you would have been like, why are

(50:06):
you wasting time on podcasting? And every time I talk
to you about it, you're like, this is going to fail,
Like I probably would have made ten episodes have been done,
you know, because but I think once you came on
the show and you enjoyed the conversation and you were like,
wait you I remember you saying after you're done, like
you could actually do this, you know. And so that's

(50:27):
been just really important to me. And so I appreciate
that through kids and picking up the slack and allowing
me to travel while we have a new born and
doing all this stuff. So yeah, I appreciate you doing
this for me and I think the content is going
to get a lot better. Yeah, And I think it
was almost nervous to start again because I just felt

(50:47):
like maybe my momentum was over in a way, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
And that's not how this industry works, No, and you
can't think that way.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
But that's the point is when you have anchors in
your life and you have support and then and then
you have people now asking me to help their podcast
and grow, and the lessons I've learned in two years
to be able to share that with other people and
actually potentially support our family fully off of podcast related work, yeah,
is like in two years is insane.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
I think you need to have a strong bond, a
strong friendship and trust in each other to support someone
who's going to support your spouse going through new things
or new job changes and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
A lot of communication, yeah, I think the communications and.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Being careful with what you like. You know, even if
I have thoughts that are just like m because this
is not my hobby, right, this is not my world
and I don't find it as fascinating as you do.
I guess maybe that's the word I'm looking for, Like
this isn't my cup of tea as far as what
I would put my time into. Doesn't mean that I

(52:00):
don't find it that what you're doing incredible, right, but
it's just you know, not it's not my thing. Right,
But that doesn't mean that you can support someone, love someone, yeah,
and learn and yeah, I mean that's a good lesson.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
You don't have to understand it or even like it
to be able to support your spouse if they do.
And I think you see more of my passion and
what other people have said about it too that you're
like and just the results, right, like you know it's
it's worth. I mean, you've made just as many sacrifices
as I have. Because for all the time we put

(52:35):
into this is time I'm not doing sales.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Like you know, we've the same sacrificed a lot.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
To do this and build this and and what We've
also had a lot of wins in the same.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
But in that same vein I am a stay at
home mom right for the most part, I'm still doing
real estate.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
But shameless plug.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Shameless plug. But that hasn't you know. The way that
we've oriented our lives is that you are the breadwinner.
We joke about that there.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Early on in our marriage, when I was making no
money with insurances of one hundred percent comission, she was
getting paid a salary, and so we were joking she
was the breadwinner.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Early on which month and then he would have always
lost it one month where's commission was just higher than
mine at that point, and so it was like I
was one month of not being the breadwinner.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
I was like, never again, it's my trophy.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
I am the breadwinner, which might offend some people, but
grow up.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
You can grow the freak up.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Oh yeah, well, it's just the way that we've oriented
our lives. I cannot imagine being a full time mom
and a full time employee. Yeah that's way too much work. Yeah,
but you've kept like the way that this works is that, yeah,
you're pursuing other other things, but you're still taking care
of the responsibility of taking care of a family. Think

(53:59):
if somebody is pursued their hobbies, slash maybe long term ventures,
and it's not keeping up their end of the bargain
as far as what it means to their family, Yeah,
that's a problem. Yeah, but there's some reason date.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
There needs to be a date, like a timeline, because
I think that you can give someone a chance but
then come up. But that needs to be set at
the very beginning. So like we've done this with our
with our podcast thing, like I'll show like it's like, hey,
if we're if this by December, if this is all
working out, then we're going to have to relook at options.
So then I know I have like my wife's full,

(54:33):
like no resentment, like you're all in. But once December hits,
if things aren't, I shouldn't be shocked if you're like, hey,
we need to change something or to drop this, because
we have already discussed that, we have already put that
in plan. It's not like a shock like oh you
don't support me. It's like, yeah, no, we've talked about this.
So I know, going into twenty twenty six, if my
podcast consulting business doesn't take off and everything else doesn't

(54:55):
take off, you're probably gonna be like, hey, like your
stress levels are too.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
High, sick.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
It is doing amazing, But I'm just saying if for
whatever reason, that was what we talked about, Like, if
it doesn't take off, come to twenty twenty six, like
you know, like we might have to make some hard decisions.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
So like Entrepreneur and my point inted that like.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
We're not gonna be surprised if you are coming to
me and being like, hey, you should get a full
time job, yeah, quit your podcast or whatever, because like
we've already discussed those timelines. And I think where couples
get it in trouble is one spouse just once forever
grace of like I know we're broke and we're millions
of dollars of debt, but why won't you just let
me pursue my dreams and the dreams Like why won't

(55:35):
you just forever support me? Versus being like, hey, i'll
give you know, two years, let's dive all in, but
if this isn't better in two years, may make Yeah,
that's what we've done almost every year or two, like
we just kind of like relook and reassess where we're at,
and then you're like, do we think we can change
things in a year. Yeah, Okay, let's let's talk about
this again next year. And I think that's been why

(55:59):
we've been able to balance the like resentment and the
support throughout everything. Because that's just some advice for some
married people on how to support their spouse's just build
some timelines in.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Yeah, and you do a really good job about being
a very present dad, Like your home every single night
playing with Madeline. She knows, she knows you're coming home.
That's like literally her first question in the morning, Dad,
like he's at work, she just asks about you. You know,
Dad go to the park. Yeah, which is super sweet.

(56:32):
I think it's important.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
It's you know, if you know, if you're the working spouse,
like because that's my that's the cond Like, that's where
I can find joy in each day. Is even if
deals fall through, even if this, like I can know
I can go home and my two year old is
just like yeah, pumped the seamen.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
But I mean and two your you come home to
a working mom, right, who's been working all day and
will work all night. Yeah, and so you come and
help pick up the slide.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
And give and give you a break or try to.
Maybe I cause more messes, but no.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
You've been really good. There's been a lot of times
where I'm like, hey, Curtis is good for an hour
and a half. I'm going thrifting. That's my hobby. Yeah,
I'm going thrifting. I'm leaving you with both of them.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah, it's been great. Yeah, yeah, be present.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
You can handle yourself.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Be present?

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Is it? You know? In that even that's why I
love traveling.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
But I hate traveling because it's like it's fun to
do once a quarter, you know. But we're just talking
about what happens if this turns into like a full
time travel gig, and it's like, that's just something we
have to walk through that that'll be another podcast. How
do we deal with travel and running a family? That'll
be a podcast year from now. Yeah, but well, hey,
I think our babysitter needs us. We should probably start

(57:51):
wrapping up a couple of quick shameless plugs. You are
still a real esta agent. You did like four deals
in the past two months, right.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Amazing, which isn't a lot, but first, stay at home mom,
it's just amazing. Yeah, it was a wonderful blessing.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
If you're local Michigan and you need a real estate agent,
that is amazing, call her hilarious. But other plugs. Okay,
Kooban's coffee bruery. Ooh, I'm glad, it's amazing coffee.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I told you for the last nine months, and I've.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Just said it every time, and I keep pretending that
I don't say it, but go ahead, oh the promo.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You know what, having a low acid coffee during pregnancy
phenomenal for each because the first trimester, your whole, at
least for me, didn't want coffee at all. Speaker, I
love my coffee, but having a low acid blend when
I could have coffee again, it was really helpful for
acid reflux that you have their pregnancy. So, whether you

(58:51):
struggle with acid reflux on the daily or you were
pregnant and you want something that won't cause you a
lot of pain, a Losa coffee blend, like the Broadcast.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Brew, that's perfect. I feel like this is the fat
person's coffee. You mean, like, whether you're fat and you
have acid reflux just because you're fat.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
And you're pregnant and you're fat because you're pregnant. No,
it's a perfect coffee for me. And it's clean.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
The Broadcast Brew perfect for fat people.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
No, the American's cup. No, that's folders. No, but it's clean. Drinking.
You're not drinking. You're not drinking mold in your coffee. Yeah,
you have a video that showed idea. She roasts it
and everything.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
One fact, most coffee is moldy by the time it
gets to the roaster. Yeah, and climates that are more
rain saturated are gonna mold more. And that's actually what
builds a lot of the acidity up.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
And you can also mold. Yeah, the mold. That's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
And it depends on what climate it is and what
country it is. But sometimes they leave the coffee being
in the cherry and that also will build more acidity
versus like popping it out of the like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
That getting it out of the cherry hut cut to that.
I can't believe Bill, want me to do that? Please?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Got that we're not cutting that. The charity needs to
be released from the coffee bean. Know, the coffee being
needs to get out of the cherry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
The point is the longer you leave it in, the
more esthetic gets. But the point is this good coffee.
Should buy it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
It's amazing coffee.

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Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I can't. I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
I know them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Probably don't know all of them either.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
I don't, but I know a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Me. Oh, you don't know. No, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
No, you don't even know all of them. And there's
some really really exciting things coming. So that's that's our cue.
But thank you guys for listening to episode one of
season two. I'm honored and it was the best guest
I could possibly have. Love you baby, all right, guys,
thank you for watching this episode of The Dylan England Show.

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Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Thank you, peace, Bye,