How She Built America’s Most Unique Rare Plant Business from Nothing | Jocelyn Ho | TDES - The Dillon England Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And we're talking one hundred thousand plants, not a couple.
We ship out over a thousand plants every week.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
At what point did you realize you had a business, Like,
at what point did you go to your husband be like,
I'm making money.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
So I looked at my plant collection. At the same
time my husband was complaining, and I'm like, you know what,
let me try to sell some plants. Like if I'm
buying this stuff, I can sell it right other people
are looking for it too. They sold two plants that
weekend and I made a thousand dollars. The fact that
I was in a new country with no one to
tell me no, No one was there to tell me
that this is a stupid idea. Go get a job

(00:31):
that actually helped me a lot.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Family and friends could hurt your journey because they don't
have the vision.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
You have, even with the best intentions.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
So you have more in your lab than exist in
the wild.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
But we started with like one.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
What kind of plants were you selling? No?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I no, Like people had their doubts.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
So rare your plant faery?

Speaker 1 (00:56):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Tell us?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
So we are a plant shop that specializes in rare
tropical plants. We sell online on our website we're plant
Faery dot com and we also have an app. Now, yeah,
and we ship all over the world, but mainly we
focus in the US.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
But this isn't any plant shop. I feel like plant
shop is not It's like people think of like a
lows like distribution store. That is not what you guys are.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, I do feel like any new description because every
people picture me in like a flora, like a flora,
right exactly, selling little pots in here there here's a rose. Yeah,
you know, but like think of yourself. It's We're in
an old truck factory too in Detroit, so we occupy

(01:47):
about twelve thousand square feet now and we grow vertically
so on racks, and we're talking one hundred thousand plants,
not a couple. We ship out over a thousand plants
every week.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
But it's like rare plants too. It's like the thing
that was interesting, It wasn't like we ship millions of
roses out. You're like, this is some Greek name. I
don't know what you're saying that the Latin name of
these plants. And you're like, like it was just you
have such a unique like buyers and perspective, and don't
you have rare plan Like that's the whole rare plant fair,

(02:21):
Like you have some very rare plants that you are
there too, right.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yes, we have plants that get up there to like
twenty five fifty thousand dollars each, and yes we do,
but not all plants are like that. So we have
plants from ten dollars to like right now twenty five
thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, and that was rare planet you have like right now?
And do you know if it's like so.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
There's like you can think about rarity in like two
ways though. Rarity could be like it actually doesn't exist
very much or it's very expensive and both could be
true or they don't both have to be true at
the same time too.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Well, yeah, well pick your definite. Like as far as rare,
I guess when I think of rare I think of
like there's a limited supply of them in the world.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, So the rarest ones we have are probably the
endangered ones, yes, that we're working on. So the ghost
orchid is the one that's endangered in the Everglades. So
there's I think there was a recent article about this.
There's fewer than a thousand now in the wild, and
most of them are juveniles too, So we have more
than that in our lab that we are cloning so

(03:28):
that we can offer them to the hobbyist market.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
So you have more in your lab than exist.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
In the wild. But we started with like one that, yeah,
one specimen in a test tube that we cloned. So
the reason that they're so rare in the first place.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Let's get nerdy. I want to let's get nerdy. I
love this.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
So the reason they're they're rare in the first place
is because of habitat like climate change of course, and
you know they're they're losing their habitat and the wild
in the Everglades, but also because they're so sought after
that hobbyists will go out and steal them, the coach.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Them almost like animals.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, I mean, there's a there's been a movie about
this to Work It Thief.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Really yeah, and a book and it's the same plant
that you're now cloning, creating and trying to save.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
And the funny thing is in that story that the
protagonist was trying to steal one to clone.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Interesting, so it was like it was trying to save it.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
No, he was just trying to make clone more for money. Yeah, yeah,
it wasn't that deep.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, I was like trying to be like that's creative.
I mean, do you ever just sit back and think
like like you're like you're so you're almost like a
plant conservationist and this in this instance because you're just
trying to save a species. And then that's incredible, Like
how did you how did you even get your hands
on the first one?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
So the first one was a trade with another lab
that they obtained it, you know, through the proper channels,
and we exchange plant materials so we could.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Pull sure you just didn't buy from the orchard thief.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Oh god, yeah, and you're.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, and we do it. I'm telling you guys, I like,
I'll we'll put up pictures or video. Would you be
willing to put up a picture of your lab or
something like and like give me that, okay, like it's
cool like literally think of like take your shoes off
like white like it was it was a I want
like I'm know and repeated myself, but it was such
a cool thing that like people do think Flora's shop

(05:32):
when you told when Dave was like, oh, this girl
like rare plant fairy, and I was thinking, like, what
do you what are the what are those things called
like those like little like fake little garden thing to terranns. Yeah,
I thought you were just like yeah, I thought you
were like a little terrarium thing. And then you're like,
here's this fourteen fourteen foot thing we have going on? Yeah,

(05:55):
what's your what's your favorite plant you have right now?
Do you have one?

Speaker 1 (05:59):
So our logo is a monster a leaf, and I
do love monsterras and there's so many different colors of them.
I look at them all.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I'm gonna look up a monster.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I love them all. So we currently have one that's
called the devil Monster.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Okay, is this what I'm looking at?

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yes, that's the green one, and then that's like the
normal one you see everywhere. And we have a monster
that's called the balbasar like the pokemon.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah that's amazing. Yeah, I'll zoom into that the editors.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
That's cool. Yeah, I'll send you photos.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, thank you, we'll pop them up.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah. I love them. They have split leaves.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
You know, we got you into this.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
It was my hobby that got like wild. Do you mean, like,
how do I get into this as a hobbyist.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, like yeah, like what It's just it's such a
unique thing that even even just as a hobbyist to
be in stream. I want to get to the entrepreneur,
but the side soon, Like how did you turn the
hobby into a business? I want to get there first,
but like, this is still a unique thing to begin with.
Not very many people do a lot of stuff with
this rare of plants, these types of plants, Like a
lot of people are gardeners or they're this this is

(07:08):
another level. What got you started and interested in these
types of plants?

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, at first I was bored. I just moved to
this country six years ago. I started this business five
years ago. Who wha, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm an
my grand I know that.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I no, no, no, I know. But I thought it was
like child that you've only been here in the States
for six years. Yeah, and you've built a like that's incredible.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
So I you know, I moved here six years ago,
just a little over six years ago from from Dubai.
But I'm from Hong Kong and Toronto. Yeah, I've been around,
but six years ago, I'm I came to Detroit site
and see never lived in the US before. Wow, And
I had no family here other than my husband and friends.

(08:01):
So I was bored.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
I was all checked out so far, and like, oh we.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Have we're in a new place. Let me get some
plants to fill it out. And I guess I just have.
You know, some people just like to collect. They have
the collector gene. They just want to want the best
of everything.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Like what, you're like a plant pack rat that makes
money off of it.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Well, I used to collect sneakers too, so like so
it's kind of tracks if you like. Yeah, yeah, you're
like I like, I like handbags, like sneakers and now plants, yeah,
now plants and yeah. And six years ago I was
new here, starting getting into plants, and of course the
pandemic hits, and not a great time to socialize. I

(08:43):
fall deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Everyone's just in your homes and you're just like this
crazy plant lady, you know how those like crazy cat ladies.
You're just crazy.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
True.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
You're like a venus fly trap by your bed, and
I like.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Every plant is named high door. How are you doing
this morning?

Speaker 2 (09:01):
You're just going crazy a little bit. You know, your
husband's like, am I needed in this relationship anymore? I
don't really know.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
I know maybe that was his real complaint.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, he felt replaced. This is the thing we should
call him.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
This is therapy.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
He needs therapy right now.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
So true, that's great.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
So were you an entrepreneur before this and du buy
any of your other stops in life?

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah? No, that's so funny. I started my my first
business when I was seven or six years old. Didn't
go very far, but I okay, when you were seven,
so I mean yeah, I mean I started this company
company called the Jocelyns All Things Club. Okay, I'm so

(09:46):
sick and tired of people borrowing my shit.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
That I would make people pay me like a dime
to borrow anything I own, like a patterner I didn't
have anything valuable, okay, it's like my stapler.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Like my eraser, and.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
I had stamp cards, and then people like borrow my
stuff like five times, like get a free one.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
It's geous. It's surprisingly didn't take off more.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Look, I saw a problem, a need.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
People keep taking my stuff. You want an eraser? Yeah,
I did the same thing, but I was all about food.
I would always be like, like if someone wanted something,
I'd be like, give me your sandwich at lunch and
I will let you borrow my pencil. But I never
turned into a business. I was just fat. Yeah, so
I was. So that was your first business, that was
my first Surprisingly didn't.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Take off unfortunately. Yeah. I think Costco stole my model.
I mean yeah, yeah, you were the original events, the
original like thread off.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yes, yes, my wife, Yeah, yeah, you're about that's great
first business. And then then what were you kind of
what was your job like, because I'm you're ey Entrepreneur
of the Year. That's a big deal. That's awesome. Yeah,
but to say I created this company in six years
with no little to no entrepreneur experience is also insane.

(11:21):
Did you have any other stops along the way of
other things you started or do you just kind of
found your niche and you just kind of grew with it.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well, okay, so my parents were entrepreneurs, So my parents
are small business owners. So I guess like kind of like, so.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
You were an entrepreneur in Dubui or you were Toronto
or anything like that. No.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
I was a speech language pathologist, so I worked with
special needs I helped them communicate and all that, and I.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Worked with Maybe that's why we're doing so well on
this podcast.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
I worked with children at all that.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
You're helping me out. You know, my wife says I
have problems, so maybe maybe you're helping me actually trying.
I know you're like Dylan, you're doing so good, good job,
good talk, this job. That's great, that's great. My wife
would be like, yeah, he has mental issues. Oh that's amazing.

(12:11):
So and you come here, you you get a bunch
of plants, you can start going a little crazy in
COVID and and have some fun. And eventually, at what
point did you realize you had a business? Like at
what point did you go to your husband be like hey,
like I'm making money. Yeah, it's like this this isn't
just a hobby, because there's that shift every entrepreneur that

(12:33):
starts with a hobby that gets to it, there's this shift.
There's like this moment that they're like, oh, like this
isn't this might not be a hobby anymore. When did
that happen for you?

Speaker 1 (12:43):
So like it was like it was like you have
to think about the time too, Like I was like
I was unemployed right like a being a speech language pathologist.
If I wanted to work, I'd have to work at
a hospital or a school, all of which weren't hiring.
And I wouldn't want to work anyway. With people's mouths
at the time about that, yeah, So like I basically

(13:05):
were like, oh, and I can't really be a speech
language pathologist right now, and you know kids are not
going to do the whole online therapy. Yeah, I'm not
going to respond to that. So I looked at my
plant collection. At the same time my husband was complaining,
and I'm like, you know what, let me try to
sell some plants. Like if I'm buying this stuff, I
can sell it right other people are looking for it too.

(13:27):
So that's that's how I started. Like I sold two
plants that weekend and I made a thousand dollars and
I was like, you know what, I got something here.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
That was the moment. Yeah, that was your first sale.
Your first sale was like, oh, this is real.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah. And my husband was so skeptical because I remember
this was a a doctor that came after her shift
and came to pick up these plants at midnight. She
rolled up with cash.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
What kind of plants were you selling?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
I know people had their doubts.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
You have like a trench crow. You open it up
with just a bunch of pots just in the in
the coat. So it was your first sale was underhanded,
like secretive. It was a parking lot Facebook.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
I put it on Facebook marketplace.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
That could be sketch. It could be so I was worried,
but you but but it just it was great. Just
a doctor that is like she works and we're still friends. Yeah,
She's like I work crazy hours. Yeah. And and then
when did you when did you start growing to where
you started needing staff? Like what was the next jump
for you guys?

Speaker 1 (14:33):
So let's see, that was around like March ish that
first sale, and then July I was like, oh, let's
create a name. It was like very so that that
became a company, a proper company. And then I actually
stuck it out by myself for another fifteen sixty months.

(14:53):
I don't know. I had this crazy idea that I
to be like a self made woman, I'd have to
be a self U. I had this crazy idea, and
I had that I had to make a million dollars
on my own before I hired someone.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Really, where'd that come from?

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I have no idea it doesn't make any sense. It's
kind of tough. I was working myself to death. I
was literally like growing the plants, taking pictures of them,
posting on social media, listing them, yeah, packaging them, dealing
with customer service. It was insane.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
What revenue do you get to before you hide your
first person? How close to your goal? Were you?

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Only three quarters?

Speaker 2 (15:35):
It's great, that's great. Yeah, you killed yourself in the process.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I kill myself in the process.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Nothing, you're like, I just probably took four years off
my life. That's the only thing I actually did.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
That's what it felt like.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
So you hired people. Now you're at almost thirty. Yeah,
you have an amazing team.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Your social media I mean just we were talking earlier. Instagram
almost as one hundred thousand followers. Yeah. Do you ever
just sit back, Do you ever just think if it
wasn't for the panic, Because it's really cool in life
to look back at a negative and be like, wow,
this negative spurt of positive It almost sounds like it
wasn't for the pandemic. Yeah, you might not be like
in this position right now, like that that like using

(16:16):
that just rough of it in our history as a
as a springboard into I mean that that really is
the American dream to me, is the ability to make
something out of nothing and then six years in it
as an immigrant, you're I'm assuming at this point you're
over a million, because you were at three quarters by yourself,
So a million dollar I mean, that's incredible, and that's

(16:39):
just great. That's that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, And I think this part I don't really get
to talk about much, but the fact that I was
in a new country with no one to tell me no, right,
no one, No one was there to tell me that
this is a stupid idea. I go get a job
that actually helped me a lot.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
You mean, like familiarly your friends and like that of
the stuff.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Because like if I were at home with in Hong
Kong or something, I'd be talking to my friends all
day every day, and they probably think it's a stupid idea,
because I mean it is kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, it's it's it's insane. Yeah, you're going to sell
endangered rare crazy plans for thirty forty grand yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
And you're gonna make a living out of us, like right,
and employ a bunch of people. Yeah. My parents were like,
when are you getting a job.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Like I have a job. It's eighty hours a week.
I don't sleep. That's that's an interesting point. And I've
talked about that on the podcast before. Like sometimes family
and spouses and friends can be exactly what you need
in your entrepreneurship journey, and other times, like family and
friends could hurt, yeah, your journey because they don't have

(17:49):
the vision.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
You have, even with the best intentions.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, that's incredible. Now walk me through. Now you were
still with your husband. Yeah, And I coach people all
the time they're like, I want to be an entrepreneur, Like
you need to have support by your spouse, Like your
spouse needs to support you. If they don't support you,
it's it's not worth it, right, And we had his
doubts at one point, but like he it sounds like

(18:13):
he was still like, hey, do your thing. It's kind
of weird. Do your thing, right, He was still supporting
by still kind of being like this kind of interesting call.
When did he When did he realize, oh, you're not crazy,
this is real and now he works for you?

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, you know, like I like he always like helps
me a little bit with like, uh, you know, the
taxes and the filings at the end of the year,
and then I hired my maybe first five employees before
he was like, you know, this is kind of like legit,
like this is like, you know, generating more income than
my own job. But we had to figure out you know,

(18:50):
the healthcare and all that first before.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
He like made jump.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, So it wasn't until actually after I hired my
fifth employee he really like come on board full time.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
That's crazy though, Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, yours is
just such a it's a great entrepreneurs story. Like it's
just like plants in apartment now twelve thousand square foot
warehouse in six years and growing too, or I'm still growing.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
We're gonna get like three thousand more square feet by
the end of the year, or in.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Genuine same building, in the same building. That's incredible. What
advice do you wish that you know now that you
wish you could go back time, back in time to
your former self in your first year of business that
like you wish you could give your former self that
would make life way easier.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Higher. You don't have all the answers, and you don't
need to have all the answers. It's okay it's okay
to not know.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
That's a great statement. It's okay to not know and
hire people smarter than you in certain areas for better
than you in certain areas.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
But it's like when you first who just don't know
how to hire? Like, like, who the heck is gonna
work for me? I don't even know what I'm doing? Like, right,
you know, there's all those doubts, but like sometimes you
just have to like take that step and then figure
it out.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
How do you So, what would you recommend to someone
that's looking to hire their person right now? What are
some qualities that you look for when you hire?

Speaker 3 (20:21):
So?

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I think you can teach skills to a certain extent, right,
I can teach anyone to pack a plant, anyone to
water a plant, But you can't teach core values. That
has to be innate. So right now, I hired according
to core values. So people that have that show integrity
and show a great work ethic, show ability to or

(20:43):
want to learn and be better. That's very important to me.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah. I had a buddy that made a higher of
somebody that was skilled, but the core values were not there. Yeah,
and you know I warned them. I was like, hey,
I know this person, you know. Yeah, but they were like,

(21:08):
oh but they're skilled, they know how died this job.
They're very qualified. They only lasted six months.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's so tempting, right because you as like the person
that's hiring. You have a problem you need to solve,
you need that seat filled, and hey, that's a perfect person.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
But just just do I don't have to onboard them.
I don't have to teach them much. They already know.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
They don't have to talk to me. That's how it works.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
How important is culture?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Oh? So so important? Yeah, that's why we lead with
core values. I hire according to core values, and we
we reward people by core values.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (21:46):
So? I mean just yesterday we actually had our Q
three State of the company, meaning so we reiterated our
core values, and we celebrated our wins, and we celebrated
each and every person send by the core values that
they exhibited. So thank you so and so for doing
this and you exhibited this core value.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Hm hmm.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
That's interesting because a lot of companies would just say
thank you, like celebrating this achievement. It's not so much
what they're doing, it's how they're doing it.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
It's both.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, it's both.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Because you stepped up and did something that was even
outside of what's expected of you. You you helped your
you helped your fellow co workers, and that exhibits the
help first core value.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
A lot of times when we have I've had a
lot of culture people on the podcast talk about importance
of culture. They always say it goes top down. If
the owner's not a good person, or the owner is
not it's tough for someone that is rude and mean
and nasty to develop a good company culture, right, And
so then if if you are an owner that struggles

(22:55):
with that stuff, focusing on yourself and trying to make
sure you are ready personally to develop a good culture,
have you found that it's harder at this point to
develop a good culture with a lot of people because
there's so many different personalities, or have you found that like,
you know, you yourself, you're taking care of yourself, your
mind's right, like that kind of stuff, and that that helps,

(23:16):
like when you're trying to develop a good company culture,
If that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, I mean, entrepreneurship is a personal development adventure. Yeah,
it really is. Like every day I have to be
my best self right, or I try to be, and
at least, you know, it's as much self help as
it is like learning out the skills of entrepreneurship. But
when it comes to culture, I think for sure it
has to like the top like leadership has to realize

(23:42):
and recognize the importance of culture. But culture really is
actually bottom up too, because like, if you can't force
it on people, it has to already exist, especially if
you have a company that has multiple people already, you
have to look at your team and see what are
the values that they exhibit that you love, what makes
them work. So when we looked at our core values,

(24:06):
we actually looked at the existing people, like the people
that we want to want to have more of, and
why why do we love them so much? Oh, it's
because they do this, X, Y, and Z. You know,
that's why these are the These are the values that
we actually hold deer and that's what we're hiring for.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's such a great way to think of company culture.
And because it's not so much what do we want
to be known as a company's like wait, we love
these people that are already here, why do we love them?

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:36):
And develop your core values from that.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
And add more people like like them, because the worst
thing that could happen is to have these like kind
of aspirational core values like integrity, you know, written, the discipline,
hard work. You know, they're so meaningless and people just
see them and roll their eyes.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yes, it means nothing. It's a word on the wall.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, I mean nothing. Like everyone has to exhibit it
top down, bottom up. Like leadership of course has to
care and then everyone else has to care too.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
And the leader has to have those same core values absolutely.
Like if you have integrity on the wall, but the
owner's a sleaves bag and everyone knows he is, it's
like why would we like, Yeah, exactly, you have to
act it, and yeah, you have.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
To show it. You have to you know, pay your
suppliers on time, that kind of thing. You can't like,
you know, ignore customers that need help. Yeah, you know,
you actually.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Have to live it, and it's hard. Sometimes it's not hard.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
If that's already a core value, that's the whole point.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
But there's still I think, like for example, like I
I want to be a disciplined person, Like it's a
core value for me, right, but I still there's still
parts of my life that I'm struggling with discipline, Like,
so it's a core value. I'm disciplined in some things,
but I still struggle with like being disciplined in every
single aspect of my life. And so I think that's
what I'm trying to say with like a company, Like,

(25:58):
at least for me, it maybe that's something that you
you don't struggle with yourself, like I like, I want
to be more disciplined than I am. Like I do
you feel like with your core values they're so ingrained
in who you are that like you're not trying to
attain to them better or do you think you've kind
of like they are who we are? We've made it
like this is what we are. We put our market

(26:19):
in the sand because I think for me, I'm like,
I have core values that I'm trying to get to,
If that makes sense, I would say the.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Core values that we have are core values that I
do embody like, they're like in my bones.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Like I can't separate it.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, I mean, are there times that you know I
slip up? Of course, sure, yeah, But I feel like
for the most part that's me. Yeah, And I feel
like as an entrepreneurial company, somehow it becomes an extension
of yourself.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Oh, one hundred percent. Yea one hundred percent. And I
think for good and bad, like I think some of
the good and some of the bad. Like I'm thinking
of my companies, like I'm like, we're really good in
this thing, and this thing we're not so good at.
And it's like a direct correlation of what I'm good at.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Right, and then you know it's like it's a mirror,
and then you know that's what you have to work
on for yourself.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah. Yeah, and that's where you ginue to hire someone
better than you, smarter than you, to help help you
with that personal growth. Absolutely, it's good deep therapy sessions.
This is great.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
How do you feel?

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Hungry?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Very hot?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Actually sweaty, But I feel great. Thank you, Thank you
for asking I should have a couch. Just talking about
my feeling.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
It's fan or something.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
It's ridiculous this building.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
I'm for the record, I feel fine.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, perfect, it was perfect. Yes, well you would have
been through like yesterday it was so it was so cold,
it was amazing, it was awesome. It's their optimum sixty
eight in a building sixty seven. Okay, yeah, I'm not
seventy nine.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
For me, it's somebody five.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
In Dubai too long. Its Hong Kong warm. I feel
like Hong Kong, Hong Kong? Is it really?

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:07):
What I always picture Hong Kong like rainy.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
It's not that rainy. I mean yeah, I mean there's
monsoon season.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
That's what I'm thinking of.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
It is hot.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
It's like sticky.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, so humid that the walls cry.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
What is it literally like like there's a conversation on
the walls.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I thought they were like screaming. I was like, I
would not live there. But the walls are actually like condensating.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, and then and then they're dropping, like the water
condensation is like literally bleeding down. Sounds great, yeah, amazing,
Like yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
It's actually how you get showers there. You just go
to a wall.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
You just have to shower like toys a day.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah. Yeah. How is Dubai weird?

Speaker 1 (28:55):
It's it's an awkward place to live, but you know,
I'm glad I had that experience.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
How long were you there?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Like a year? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:01):
What's the what's the awkward part?

Speaker 1 (29:03):
I mean it is very strange to be there as
an Asian woman. Yeah, they don't know if I'm the
help or you know, like literally well, I mean yeah, yeah, basically.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, and they don't know how It's very like I'm
gonna ask you a non.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Kosher question, Okay, but.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
We can Yeah, I'll be nice, all right. Generally, do
buy like the culture they don't value women as much
as other cultures. Yeah, and there's also a lot of
immigrant workers there that built you buy, Like how do
they know across the board, like did you feel because

(29:43):
I've also heard buys crazy safe. I've heard you could
leave your wallet, und your car and Dubai and it
wouldn't be stole stolen like I've heard, like, but I
also just don't know how they do you have to
prove yourself Like if you're, for example, an Asian woman
in Dubai, do you have to like prove of like, hey,
I'm here legally, I'm not. Like do you feel like
you got treated a different way or not? Really?

Speaker 1 (30:05):
So it depends how what kind of Asian you look like? Really? Yeah? Okay, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Like Korean versus Chinese versus like what you like.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Chinese are investors, so they're like, you know, at a
higher rung. Okay, if you look a little bit more
Southeast Asian. You might be.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Treated like a working class or something interesting. Yeah, or
like huh is it almost like a cat like an
India caste system. Almost?

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, very yeah, it's very clear.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Okay, that's intriguing.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
You'll do fine.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, that's what I've held before. Yeah, I'm gonna do great.
I'll go with you, so you'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
But I feel like it's it's better now. Like when
I was there, it was very it was much more strict,
but now it's much more open and much more western eyes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, would you recommend visiting.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Oh, it's very interesting.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
It's it's kind of crazy, like in the middle of desert,
it's just yeah, massive city.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, it's ridiculous. And and what they've done is insane,
like just thinking that it was it's all desert sand.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, and they built all this.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
I mean that in itself is a feat.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
It's an engineer in Marvel it is.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
It is crazy.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, I've always wanted to check it. Apparently, golf courses
in Dubai pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
There's there's a golf course and you can see all
like the Dubai city behind. I saw a video guy
playing it and I was like, that sounds awesome.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Oh that is crazy. Like the funnest thing we've done
was probably taking our our jeep and then just going
dune bashing.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
That sounds amazing your tires yeah yeah, yeah, that's incredible there.
So have you heard of the project called the Line?

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah and Abdabi.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah, they're trying to make this big city, Yeah, to
the middle.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Of the desert, except now they've shrunk it, have they. Yeah,
it's not instead of one hundred miles, it's like one mile.
But yeah, they try to get my husband on project.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Really, I swear I did a whole show on that project.
You did?

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, so like that that's what my husband did.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Because it's more than just the Line. There's other They
were trying to make resorts and ski resorts, like it's
like a massive Yeah, there's like six different things are
trying Yeah yeah, yeah, I saw the Line is just
one of them.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, that's like the living like Quarders, right.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, So my.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Husband was doing all that stuff. Like he's a structural
engineer by training, and his old boss actually came to
our facility at Rare Plant Ferry and she even tried
to get him to work on the line, like literally
because we have friends and that with Dabbi working on
the line.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
No way, Yeah, that's huh, gotta get them on the podcast.
What if they could tell what's going on? That sounds
it's I just feel like it's just one of those
things where you have just so much money you don't
know what to do, and you're just like, oh, absolutely,
let's just build this city through the desert. Why not? Yeah,
I just don't know how it's gonna How does that?
I just I just don't know how it works. I

(33:00):
saw the renderings, I saw their vision, but I'm just
kind of like, it's kind of it's just yeah, I mean,
even just to keep it sustainable, it seems crazy.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
I mean it's it's yeah, it's bizarre. But at the
same time, without this kind of these kind of projects
and this kind of money, like people, there's no way
to really test out the limits of architecture, right, So.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
How you grow, like, it's how you learn.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah, I mean I feel like otherwise we just ail
be built.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
It's like what NASA shouldn't be instead of just not
send anyone to space for thirty years. Yeah, it's a
personal opinion.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
It's fine.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, yeah, and you're like, we're not gonna.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Go down that Hell, I don't know enough to talk
about it.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, I mean, uh, what was it after one of
them was like, then we didn't send anyone up to
space forever? Yeah, and I'm like, what do you guys
do again? I don't really know, look at stars or something,
because I feel like space travel was like this hot,
big thing and then it just kind of we stopped.
We had the space station and that was kind of enough,
yeah for a while, and just like yeah, why were

(33:56):
we doing up there? Right? And we were just or
we didn't try to do anything else. It's like we
ended on the moon or did we nom kidding big conspiracy,
and and then after that it was kind of like
we kind of achieved our our goal, I guess, and
then they just kind of stop. But I feel like
there was this like segment or history that was like
all about space and then just yeah, like the six Seasons, Yeah,

(34:19):
just stop becoming important. I guess. Like I want to know,
like is it possible for a human to leave the
Milky Way or something like that, Like that's like that's
the kind of stuff, like are black holes portals? To
other stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
I gotta ask.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Neil he did a thing on it. It came here Detroit,
did he?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, I went to the show. I think it was
two years ago.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah. There's a theory that about black holes that basically
like I don't want to come out on the other side. Yeah,
really just like like wraps around like this, and then
the black holes is the connector and it's just like
because time, yeah, because time doesn't do this. Time is yeah,
and so it just is connecting you between to I think.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
I might have read it in a Stephen Hockey book.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah. Anyway, I was like, it was an eight minute tangent.
That was fun.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
That's how the show Goesents are great.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
That this is I think why my podcast is done
fine because we have very interesting, random compos of people
that you don't like. It's fun. That was that was
very interesting to me. Entrepreneurship though, Okay, fact, where were
we Yeah we were we were talking about uh culture
and now we're talking about black holes. That's a yeah,

(35:36):
that's a bit of a leap. So basically the connection
is don't hire a black hole that's going to suck
all the culture out of.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Your Yeah, and then threw you back in a different time.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, don't do that. Hire people with the same core values.
That's how it all connects.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Period.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
That's great. Oh man, okay, so really quick, talk to
me about what your what your aspirations are for your company,
Like what's the next you say you're growing?

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Are you trying to like are you like, hey, we
get to X revenue or good? Are you just kind
of like I just want to perpetually grow this thing. See,
I'll bute, we can get it.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
So our goal is to in ten areas to ship
out one million pots of happiness.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Nice. That's so cute.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
But actually, like in terms of revenue, I don't know,
I don't really think that way. I just want to
build something super cool. Yeah, I just want to do
something really wild, which we have already built something really wild,
but I want to push the vult further and just
like do something like people don't expect. I want to
keep surprising people.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Have you considered to do anything outside of plants, like
rare something else, like other types of rarity items other
than plants.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
We could possibly expand to like plant lifestyle, Like what
is it to be a plant mom? Because pets are
the new children and plants are a new pet.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Interesting, Yeah, like educational, educational.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Or lifestyle, Like you know, what would you need as
a plant parent? All the things you need for a
plant parent.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Sounds like a good podcast. Yeah, it'd be fun. That's
that's interesting. You could so do you know in the
like because I was thinking, like, would you like ever
sell like exotic animals to like people that like a
sketchy business. Yeah, it sounds like a sketchy business to me.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
It's no. Animals are are in the wild only Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I do have a dog, I guess, but they're domesticated.
I'm a wildlife photographer, so I feel very strongly about.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
About like no, like you're like anti zoo, I'm anti zoo.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
I'm anti any like animal tourism sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Even if the animals would die like in the wild,
you're like, just don't touch them.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, well they should be in a conservancy, not in
like a not in like a petting zoo or right
or not like not an elephant giving rides, yeah you
know that kind of thing, or like dolphins swimming with
dolphins and like you no note will will no, I
mean even when I take photos in the wild I

(38:13):
feel very strongly about baiting, like no baiting at all.
If I know a guide baits animals that will never go,
why is that a problem, Well, you shouldn't be feeding
the animals, right, you're like altering their.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, teaching them to be dependent on you or like.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Well that and sometimes or baiting or calling both are bad.
You know, some people do make like a bird calls. Yeah,
together the birds account for what for a better photo?
But then the bird what what happens is they they
they reveal their position, they reveal their their hiding spot,
and predators find them. So you could be you know,

(38:47):
it could be inadvertently.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Helping the predator changing behavior. Oh yeah yeah, or the
predator was hungry, maybe you help them out.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
No changing behavior because now the predator doesn't know how
to find their food unless there's a human calling it.
You see where I'm going, Like, it's better to be
a fly on the wall.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah. And so you're you're like when you do photography,
you're just like, I'm going to try to be as like,
not change anything as much as possible, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
And not not making the animal like scared or anxious,
just really observing their their behavior to make sure that
I'm not causing any.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Stress, gotcha. Yeah that's cool. Yeah, it's great. So you
wouldn't do animals.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Then I wouldn't sell animals.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, that makes sense, That makes sense. Yeah, I was
just thinking because of other I was thinking of, like,
what are other rare things you guys could potentially do?
But plants kind of sound like.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Plants are plant related things, like you know, fertilizer. There's
a lot of plants here.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Oh yeah, that's an interesting thing. Like how is the
could you can't I'm assuming you can't use normal fertilizer
and some of these very rare plants, right.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
You can use you can't. Just depends on the the
numbers I guess call them NPK, like the nitrogen, phosphorus
and potassium ratio.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
So if you're gonna buy an exotic plant, like one
of these plants that are very rare you have, there
has to be some education involved, like to keep the
plane alive in some cases.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah, and thriving. I mean, they could probably do okay
without fertilizer for a bit because the soil that we
send the plants out in already have a little bit
of nutrients. But you want to like you know.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
But are certain plants like they have to be under
a certain type of light or a certain like because
like that person would need to know that, right.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yes, so our customers generally already know like what's needed.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
And I guess that's true. If you're gonna drop fifty
grand on a plant, you're probably gonna already know what's needed. Yea, yeah,
that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
We have very general guidelines, but but like for the
most part, you kind of have to read the plant,
Like the plant will tell you what it needs.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, if it looks like it's dying, it's probably dying.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
If it's droopy, it probably needs a drink. If it's
like bleaching out, you're probably giving it too much light.
You know, you kind of have to You have to
see and adapt and we all we we you know,
offer customer service and help.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
That's awesome. That's great. Well, I'm telling you, I think
what you guys have built is incredible. Where can people
find more of you and your business and education and
all that stuff? Like where do you want to point
them to? So?

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Oh man? So we have, of course our website where
a plant faery dot com. We have blogs, we have
a private Facebook group Rare plant Fairy we have we
have ten thousand people in this in this private group.
We will launch a podcast.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
One of these days. One of these days, it's gonna
be amazing.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yes, and Instagram or a plant Fairy. Yeah, we're everywhere if.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
You look, were plant Faery on Instagram? Yes, worpilfare dot com, Yes, TikTok.
Where can people buy? How do people buy?

Speaker 1 (41:57):
So? You can buy on the website or you can
come in person. We're open Fridays to Sundays.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
So it's really cool if you're I'm telling you guys,
if you are in Michigan or in Detroit, you should
definitely go. Do you want me to put the address
on the description or not?

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, Bellevue, There you go. People come from all over,
Like people drive from like upstate New York. We've had
someone drive really Yeah, people drive over all over the time.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
I mean it kind of makes sense, especially if they
don't want something to happen in shipping or do you
think people like come because they're nervous about like transportation
and they want to transport it themselves.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
I think they've they've followed us for so long, they've
already purchased from us, and they just want to come
and see us, meet us and just see the facility
and then make a whole vacation out of it.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Since.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, so Detroit's really cool.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Detroit's great. Yeah. Yeah, I was just telling somebody one
of my editors, well, we have people all over the world,
but I just hired one from my personal podcasts because
I use my podcast as like testing to make sure
that they're good for clients.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Anyway, so he just hired a guy from Argentina's amazing.
And I was just on a video call with him
yesterday and he's like, I've never been to Detroit. He's like,
it's Detroit cool, and like Detroit's awesome, dude, Like super cool.
It's great coming back, great fun downtown.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
There's so much happening all the time.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yeah, there's always something to do, sports or not whatever,
like this cool.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
It's just everything even from business life to personal life
to family. Like, it's it's a good it's a good place.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
It's the it's the smallest big city I've ever lived in.
It's got like big city amenities, but like a village vibes.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yes. Yeah, And because the downtown's not crazy, like it's
not some skyscrapers on Woodward.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
But but then at the same time, you have everything.
You have all the teams, you have hockey, you have basketball, yeah,
every football and everything's there, Baseball, like it's all there,
like we have all the things with wild Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Because the interesting thing about it Detroit, it's mainly houses.
That's the thing about people don't know, like the the
it's such a big land mass that the actual city
doesn't take up the majority of actually Detroit.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, I mean this is still Wayne County where we
are at. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah, even the city itself even has ham Trammick, which
is his own city inside of the city of Detroit.
Like that's how big even just the city borders are
of Detroit.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
But the actual like city city, like downtown is awesome.
It's super fun. Corktown's great. Oh yeah, I love yeah
all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
There's so much new stuff. There are a lot of
new restaurants.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Try out Great City Detroit sponsored this podcast. This is
great free promo Visit Detroit. Well, anyway, I appreciate you
coming on Visit Detroit. That's funny. I just had a
voiceover for like a Visit Detroit thing. Actually, it's pretty
cool coming out soon commercials coming out soon.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Oh cool, yeah, be awesome.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Do you know Ethan Lloyd? No, yeah he does. No,
I mean I don't know. He's just a Detroit media
company owner. Doesn't want to work for the city in
the state anyway. Yeah, we're for the Mayor's office for
a while for their media and stuff. So anyway, cool,
All right, well guys, thank you. We're wrapping up. I
almost been an.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Hour already, has it? Really? Holy moly.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
That's why I told you when you were like, should
I go to the bathroom before? I'm like, you might
want to because the it just goes, it goes so fast. Yeah. Hey,
we have fun though, that's true.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah. And this is actually a more Normally they get
close close fifty to an hour. My longest ever was
two twenty two hours and twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Should we keep going?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Then we can do whatever you want. I just don't.
I just don't know what your time you had. I
think the assistant was, like the time was we were
supposed to end U eleven technically the counter invite eleven.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
No, I'm good, I mean I could stay if you
still want more. Sorry, I was still eleven thirty. But
I think I don't have anything until like one.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I love when I look sorry, I just like I
love when you look at your phone. You just get
so jarred because you're just like, I'm so confused. You
forget why you're well, no, I just get it. You
get a text and you're like, just it's just so
off the wall of like you just weren't expecting to
get that text.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah. Yeah, did you read a recent article that humans
now have a shorter attention span than goldfish?

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Then goldfish? Yeah, it just doesn't shock me. No, social
media's ruined us.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, yeah, that's horrible. Yeah, what's that?

Speaker 2 (46:18):
That's so, that's actually why I love podcasting, because I
think podcasting is one of the last long form things
that can grab people. Still like it doesn't now it
doesn't always, but like I I will very rarely ever
listen to one thing for more than five minutes other
than a podcast.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
That's true, And.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
So that's what I think. There's an art to conversation.
I think you were talking about being a fly on
the wall and conservationists, like I love about being a
podcast is like you get it feel like you're flying
the wall of a conversation. And that's why I love podcasting.
That's where you're like, can I show my coffee on camera?
I'm like, yeah, cause I they're just flies on the wall.
They're here, like, and that's why I love podcasting, because like,

(46:59):
my list is get to feel like they're here with us.
And a good host you're gonna be mount tangent now.
But a good host is the one that can ask
the same questions his audience is thinking. So then the
audience is to listen, listen vicariously, and live vicariously through
the host. It's like the best thing for a podcast.
When I listen to it, I'm like, the host asked
the question, like I was thinking that question. You just
asked it, Like thank you, because that's a good host.

(47:19):
And the only way you get there is you get
people on that you're actually really curious about. That's why
I'm excited for you, because I'm like, I love your story.
I want to know more, And so then it just
becomes a good podcast because I'm personally invested in the story.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
I think one of the worst, like the worst podcasts
are ones that like you're like, I'm just trying to
make money. I'm trying to like, if there's no passion
or excitement about it, you're your listeners will know they're like,
this is boring. But if the host is very passionate
and interested, then that's what you have the great conversations
and hopefully like put it in the car, slow down, listen,
like in the world that's just so like reals and quick,

(47:54):
and this podcast is one of those few things that's limited.
It's not very stimulating, it's not very crazy, but people
will still tune in. And to me, that's why I
love the art form because I think it's the adverse
of everything that's being pushed, which is flashy and yeah, yeah,
it's just two people chatting and it just I just

(48:14):
I don't know, that's why I love it.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
No, I agree. I mean I listened to podcasts, so.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, but it's one of the few things that you'll
listen like. Even songs are three minutes like everything that's true.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Songs are shorter though, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
I mean songs, songs are three to four minutes or
even two to two and a half minutes sometimes, and
even six minutes in six minutes sounds very long, but
most are like three and a half minutes. Right, every
three and a half minutes you get a new dopamine
hit with a new song, and then every even most
people don't even finish songs anymore, you know, if you're
listening on Spotify, if you don't like the song, oh,
doesn't hit next song? Right, Radio is dying because people

(48:49):
want control over what dopamine hits them.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Crazy. But remember in the nineties when intros were over
a minute long. Yeah, it's just like Instagram.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
You know, and just like, dude, now we'd go crazy,
you know, You're like, get to the song, dude.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
We should bring it back a minute and a half.
We're just living so.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Fast, yeah, yeah and again. Like so, I just think
podcast is one of those very last forms of long form,
one tracked type of entertainment that isn't constant dopamine hits.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Don't want to upset you, but there's ai podcast.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I know. I just got sent one.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
They sound really incredible, I know, but they don't have
tangents though.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
No, they're always on targe. You can still tell. It
took me about thirty seconds to know I got sent
one from one of my sponsors because they're working on
like a marketing thing and they're like, hey, what do
you think about this? And so they sent to me
and I was listening to it and they get told
me about thirty seconds like wait a second, but it's
getting good.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
It's good, Like okay, So I was just at Harvard
last week for a business program and uh, you know,
we get case studies and you can read it, but
no one likes to read anymore. So one of the
case studies they actually turned it into a podcast so
you can listen to the case instead. Yes, and they
were trying that out to see if it would be
better for students. And I'm like, oh my god, this

(50:17):
is so weird.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
But I don't think it will ever Excuse me, it
won't replace. It won't replace connection. Yeah, yeah, Like it's
the connection, the equips, the jokes, the like our human
brains are so weird. Like we were laughing about the
fact that you start like just those like random dumb things,

(50:40):
or the fact like the speechthologist jokes were making earlier
about like I won't do that like they yeah, I
mean maybe eventually, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Stumbles and stuff like that could be funny. Like that's
just very it's very human.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
It did a podcast releas to one of the ladies.
Her eyelash kind of fell off, Like you know, we're
just die lavish trying to like fix it. You know,
I can't do that, you know, like that just those
real human interactions. Yeah, a, I can't replace. But it's
getting weird. It's getting really weird. It's one of those
things like I don't know how to use like I
use AI a lot, like, but I'm also kind of

(51:16):
like I don't want to feed the monster.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
I know it is. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm just
using it in its most basic forms like hey, chat APT.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Help me with copy, or help me with this, give
me some texts or whatever. But still I'm like my feeding.
You know, you watch out, what's the what's the movie? Uh?
The Second Avengers? When like, if you watch any of those,
I'm not a superhero movie.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
I just got tired of them. They're all the same.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
I'm just gonna pretend you didn't say that they up
until endgame they were all great when in game once Endgame,
oh they've all been terrible since then.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
I thought was probably the last one I watched then. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it's just like, uh, the hero finds themselves
conquers the day.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
It's the best. I love it.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
I love the dirtdog.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yes, give me an underdog story. I'll watch Rudy like
forty times, like I love an underdog story. Yeah, I'm
a very simple creature. I cry and Frozen. You haven't
even seen Frozen? Heavn.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
I know I have because I worked with kids. You
know that year Frozen came out, everyone was.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Also Yeah yeah me, I was over also, No, I
was all lot I So I watched Frozen in high
school with my best friend because we went to a
movie theater and.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
You were in high school and Frozen came out? Yeah,
how old are you?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Thirty one? Winded? No, this listen shadow. It came out
in twenty thirteen. I was a freshman in college. Yeah, look,
has it been that long? November twenty seven, twenty three.
It's come about thirteen years ago. Yeah, it's almost twenty six. Yeah,

(53:07):
twelve years ago for real?

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, oh my god, it's been that long since I
was a therapist.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah shit. Yeah. And we walked into a movie and
we're just there's no good movies, and we were like,
I'm a big animated movie. Like I love animated movies.
So I was we were just like, what's this Froze?
Like we walked in and it was before the hype.
It was like it like we had no clue what
Frozen was. We knew it was a Disney we had
no idea because it was. It was like like pretty

(53:35):
much like the day after release, and we were like
big fans. We're like, what's this movie? And me and
another like I was a freshman I guess in college
at this point, we're like, this movie is incredible, like hooked. Yeah,
I loved it. So my two year old's a massive
Frozen fan. But Frozen two is better than Frozen one.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Really.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Oh it's so good. Oh oh it's so good. Have
you seen it? No?

Speaker 1 (53:57):
I have not so good. Oh yeah, I think I
briefly saw it. It. I saw that it came.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
It's so good. The music's better, oh yeah, the storyline's better.
The Yeah, it's great. I love it. If my daughter
wants to watch Frozen, I prefer Frozen two.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yeah, it's great. And I'll tell you this story. I
cried in front of my boss watching Frozen two on
the plane on the way to Vacas. Once. No, because
listen I know, so this is weird about me. When
a little weird thing about me, I don't cry. You're
an adult, like real person movies. I only cry for
some reason you're in animated movies.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
That is very strange.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I don't know what I'm really weird. I don't know well.
And I also don't cry in sad moments. I only
cry in happy moments. I'm not a sad crier. If
it's a sad moment like old Yellow Dies or something
like that, I'm just kind of like. But if it's
like a happy heartwarming moment, that's what gets me. Now
that I'm a dad too, any type of like dad

(54:59):
daughter type videos and it they just wreck me. Yeah,
I'm a mess, an emotional mess. Yeah, but I don't
cry on sad things. It's only like happy heartwarming like
the Soldier come home videos, you know, like when they
surprise a family member. I'm a mess, absolute mess.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
My wife sends them to me just because she knows
I'm just gonna tear up. I'm gonna be like fifty
year old Doo that.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Cries like that's okay.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Yeah. But you know Frozen two, we were watching it
and there's this moment that I'm not gonna spoil it.
There's a very heartwarming, like emotional moment at the very
end of the movie. I'm sitting right next to my
boss on a plane on the way to Vegas, and
I just like, I'm like, he looks at me, he
looks at what I'm watching. I'm watching this little kids
show and I just have tears just streaming down my face,

(55:45):
like this is terrible.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Bamby must have ruined youre but.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Again, baby was sad, so I got it. It didn't
kill me. Like it's like, fine, we'll kill Bamby, but.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
So Land before time.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
No, no, no, I'll feel it. I'll feel it, but
I'm not gonna like i'll feel sad or I won't
let you know. I won't like the tension or like
I feel.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Like a memo when he was found.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, that's fine. It's just you have to you have to.
Just when you watch Frozen two, there's a moment you'll
know when it is.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
That's the Dulin moment.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Oh man. Every time, every time it gets been thirty,
Like my wife still just looks at me. She's like,
you're crying about five minutes, aren't you? And I'm like, yes,
are you crying in movies?

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, crazily yeah, I like these. I have
bad drainage.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Right here, she get it checked out.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
I already know.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
No, you get it fixed. You're like, I already know
I have a problem. I'm good.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
I'm good. I just cry.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
It's crazy you have bad drainage. You know you're start starty.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
So it goes into your signs. But my sign is
I get like blocksinus, that's too much information right now.
And then my tears don't drink properly.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
So I well up, yes, yes, I don't have that problem.
I just min my tears come here. Yeah, well I should,
so they just don't drop. They just like stay there.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
No, they like even if I'm not actually like crying crying,
but like I'm a little emotional. Then then I start
to kind of cry. I should be in Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Oh that's true. I know, think of something minorly sad.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
I know onions.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, I've always wondered how they can just do so
good crying on command. It's incredible. I wonder if they're
hurting themselves actually, like someone's just like stabbing them, or
they're stepping on a pin or they're pinching themselves or something. Hmm,
this is what everyone that wants to hear. You're like,
how long are we going? You're like, yeah, we can

(57:47):
go forever.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
I don't know. I mean I have always covered everything.
We've covered a lot.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
I think what I really wanted people to understand is
your cool story, the fact you're an immigrant. In a
couple of years you built this really cool thing. I
think it's hopeful for anyone wanted to start a company,
and I think it's great. So I think we accomplished that.
I think people know who you are and where to
find you. I think we covered all the fun stuff,
and we covered the line, and we covered Dubai. We
cover the fact you hate zoos.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Yeah, I love scuba.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Yeah yeah, No, No, I'm too busy being at zoos.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Just kidding.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
I remember the last time I've been to a zoo.
I really don't, But now that you said that, I'm
probably just going to buy a zoo pass just despite you. No,
if I like seeing you like a selfie at like
the zoo next time.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
No, what I mean, people do what they want them in.
The zoo's already there, animals.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I'm just trying to figure out how I can annoy you.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Oh, it's pretty hard, actually, You're.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Like, I'm a business owner.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
That's kind of hard.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
I mean, you do you?

Speaker 1 (58:54):
I mean, I just do whatever you want. I don't
want to control anyone's lie. So that's just why I
do the things I do.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Yeah, I like, I like controlling just everyone. I don't know,
I've I have felt always felt the tension with zoos
and like not loving it.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
I just feel sad when I've seen like these animals
in the while, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Yeah, but I also understand like not all, but some
of them have also been like they were gonna die. Yeah,
So I'm like for like conservation and stuff like that,
or trying to help animals survive or like Steve r Win,
did you watch Are You Dancing with the Stars? Person?
But I did see a clip of so yeah, Robert
I was on and he's killing it by the way,

(59:41):
my wife's making me watch this season. Yeah, and he
killed it. But there was like an emotional moment where
we dance with his mom and I was a massive
stever when fan growing up, massive Like I pretended like
my animals were crocodiles and I would wrestle them like
I loved them. And so when he died, it was like.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
It was larger than life.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Yeah, it was so then watching Robert dance with his
mom that so that was a crying moment for me
and my wife. We were both just like if you like,
everyone was in tears there. But anyway, who he's a conservation.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
So yeah, you know, and Jane Goodall and piece she
was here in Detroit. I don't know who that is
Jane Goodall. Of course you don't. The old lady that
you know does research, did research with chimpanzees and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Girl, Oh I didn't know her name. Yes, and know
who you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Yes, So she passed, Oh she did. But I saw
her like two weeks before she passed it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Really that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Yeah, she had like a a talk at the Fisher.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Oh that's cool. Yeah, I like that would have been
me and Steve Irwin. I just think it's so dumb.
He died by a sting ray. That's so dumb. Whenever
whenever I like see a stingray, just like flip them off,
just just because of Steve, like screw you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
But Steve wouldn't have been mad about it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
I am though, see what would have been. No, no,
I don't like seeing I love crocodiless Yeah, I think
they're great. I I legit like as a kid, would
like love to like jump in after a crocodile and
like do what he did. Now I'm like too fat
and slow. But as a kid, I thought that was

(01:01:20):
so crazy. Yeah, never crossed my mind to do that. No, no, no,
I think crocodiles are really cool. But you know, I
think I think what Roberts doing is awesome. It's like
it was dad's legacy and just yeah, doing a lot
of great work with animals. And at that moment when
he was made dance with his mom, dude, it was like,
all right, it was awful, Like it was so sweet.
But I was like because I hadn't seen his mom

(01:01:42):
since the last time I watched like a Stever one
episode and now she's like twenty years older dancing with
her son. And it was like, and he does look
like he does, talks like him super like you know,
crookey mate, you know, just like super like passionate about
it all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
So awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Yeah. Well, I'm excited to get your podcast going, so
we'll have to maybe by the time this episode's out, Yeah,
your podcast will be out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Maybe, and then we could plug the rare Plant Fairy podcasts. Yeah,
unless we have a better name for it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
I think it's a good name, the rare Plant Fairy podcast. Yeah.
I think dude, you have ten thousand people on a
Facebook thing. You just have to Hey, guys, here's a
podcast and you can learn everything. I think your podcast
would be the perfect media to do the teaching of
what it's like to be like repaying fair lifestyle and
in teaching people, Hey, you want to learn how to
take care of these plants. You're new to this, You're like,

(01:02:33):
listen to our podcast. We talk through what it's like
to these different plants, and we pick a couple different
plants each episode talk about. You know, I think that's
the perfect medium to do that too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Yeah, we want to talk about plant care of course
education and also like plant culture. Yeah, culture is its
own subculture.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Interesting. I don't know what that means.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Well, it's like we got our own like lingo. Oh yeah, yeah,
it's like a new world yeah or new inside joke.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
That sounds great, tea, I think I think yeah, like
or even like what's coming up or new things you
guys are doing. Yeah, I think it'd be great.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
People always asked me what's the next it planned?

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
And you're like, listening to our podcast, that's what you
need to say. Plug all Yeah, Well anyway, this has
been fun, guys. Thank you for coming to this episode
of Dyllan England Show. Thank you to Jocelyn for coming
on and hope you had fund have fun.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Thanks for having me. Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Different than what you thought. Did you know what you expect?

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
I didn't know. Really. I don't like to overprop myself anyway.
I feel like conversations better.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
That's the way it works. Yeah, yeah, I love it. Well,
thank you for coming on. They can make the drive
the fifteen minute I know, crazy drive you had to make.
And then you guys for listening to this episode of
Dilan English. So as always, please share it with a friend,
comment like, share, subscribe, subscribe, thank you all that stuff.
Do that right now here and check out the Rare
Plant Fairy dot com. Check them on Instagram, give them

(01:03:57):
a follow. They have some really cool stuff and we'll
see you guys the next episode of.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
The Dylan England Show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Thank you

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