I Asked the Youngest Bitcoin Millionaire If Blockchain Can SAVE Free Speech | Erik Finman | TDES - The Dillon England Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My grandmother gave me a thousand dollars. I think she
thought she was going to die, you know, And then
I put that into bitcoin, and then I just kind
of spend every day trying to predict the markets.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
How much was bitcoin trading when you put in that there.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
It was like ten twelve dollars, so it was it
was really low, so it was like like a ten dollars,
and che got me like about one hundred bitcoin. I
was eighteen years old when I reached a million dollars
and this bitcoin as a bitcoin eighty. People get confused that,
I say, they think it's a million bitcoin.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
I wish. I wish. There's two versions of crypto. There's
the transactional one and then there's a utility one. He
just kind of dumbed it down for me. If that's true,
Like this accomplishes more than just people saying there's perceived
value in a coin. Because we say there's value and
a coin.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
X could easily be banned, you know, or shut down
or bankrupted. Even if you say, like you know what,
we have a website or a mobile website. Even if
we get banned off the app stores, there still exists.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Why wouldn't every social media website go to a blockchain.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I think it's a little bit of work to integrate. Yeah,
now I think that's the only thing. And then and
it's not needed because it's the same reason why people say,
you know, why do we need you know, bitcoin, when
you know the dollar works just fine on the back end,
Bitcoin works out any need for government. Yes, right now
your currency and your credit card and your banking system
all has to go through government and federal Reserve, and

(01:14):
like it really does. Right back then, I was probably
less political, so I was more crypto, and then it
was it was really all crypto back then. And then
and then you know, maybe like motivational contents, like crypto
motivational content, and then I switched more to you know,
still talking about cryptos, still occasional motivational content, but really

(01:36):
a lot of politics.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
So I think with a lot of switch happened.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
It was like in twenty twenty two, i'd say, so
it's like midterms.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, those aree the things I want to ask you about,
because you I want to hear about your story. I
know you've toured your story one hundred thousand times, but
I've never heard it from you. Yeah, I've read it
on news articles, but I'd love to hear your story today.
But that's we can talk about that in a second.
When you have been political online, I've created a political

(02:05):
subshow in some degree, so I know what it's like
to mark your flag somewhere. Yeah. Uh, did you kind
of when you when you started becoming political in twenty
twenty two, did you were you ready for like what
happened after that? Like have you noticed it to be like, oh,
this is I wasn't expecting this or this is different
than I thought.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I mean, you know, yes and no in the sense
like I definitely like I had a lot of journalists
that liked me for a good because I was always
doing a ton of press stuff and everything in the
lead up to that, kind of around crypto and and everything.
And then but I got really bored of doing press stuff.
And you know, I still do press stuff and everything,
but I kind of before like the goal was the article,

(02:47):
and now like you know the goal you know, it's
an article can be you know, a nice tool to
shine light on something you're really.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Deeply passionate about.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
But back then I was really really egotistical, Like I
really needed though, like Wow, this really feels good to
get an article. And then and it didn't. I got
I got good at it, and it didn't anymore. And
then I just, you know, I just kind of stopped
getting it. And then I'm like, you know, I don't
really care, you know, like I like it. Still a
lot of journalists, still friends with a lot of journalists
and everything. And then yeah, a lot of my a

(03:16):
lot of my lib journalists friends, you know, they reached it,
you know, you know, kind of like you're better than this, Eric,
because because I think I come across it's interesting when
I used to live in London, and this is interesting.
I think mark on kind of classism, which is bad.
You know, when I lived in London, it was interesting.
I lived in London. I'm a British citizen too, I'm
American British. And then in twenty fifteen, I lived in

(03:38):
uh London for a year twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen, lived and lived in London for a year,
and you know it was interesting to me because like, yeah,
they were all shocked at Trump and every oh Trump,
oh my god, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
But you know what was interesting was the.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
The level of discourse was I felt in the UK
at least in like elite circle. You know, it's a
very like UK is very class place, class classes place,
which I don't like. You know, you really it really
does matter kind of your family and it really does matter,
you know, like it's so much. It's really hard in

(04:15):
the US to make money from nothing here exceptionally hard,
but it's it's a lot harder in every other country,
and the UK is is like that unfortunately, just just
very classist, very classist, really paid it. You really cannot
wear be casual you really it's bad. So anyways, but
I did notice, like on the flip side of that,

(04:37):
you could be more politically extreme if you were in
the upper classes. Not not even like b politically extreme,
but you could talk politically extreme.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Without it being being canceled or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, but not but not in like a if you
sounded like lower class saying it, you would be canceled.
But if you sounded articulate and ornate and you used
ornate for cabular, you know it.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
It was acceptable.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
And then the US, you know, it doesn't matter how
you say it, it matters, you know, kind of you
said it, yeah, and and everything. So at Oxford you
would have really like, you know, especially me in twenty fifteen,
but wow, you know we're talking about this.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Wow okay, you.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Know, and and then you know, yeah, you'd have these
Oxford debates and it was I'm like, you know, people,
people freak out about Trump here, but yet yet they're
they're talking about some you know, it's actually very racial stuff,
you know, in like Oxford discussions and and and everything
that you know, republic and I think most of them
are public.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
And then and it was just interesting to me, is
that still going on or has that kind of conversation
just been squallshed recently? Because when I think of UK,
I think of the opposite of freedom of speech right now, Yeah,
for most people, yeah, it's the opposite of freedom of speech.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
But but I think when you're in in the the
upper classes, like if you're at Harvard, you can you're
you can't be you would not be able to say that.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
But if you're at Oxford you could.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
You could maybe talked about it if you talked about
it ornately, if you talked about it with the right words.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
And with the white phrase.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, if you had the wrong accent if you had
even the said the right vocabulary, you had the wrong accent,
you would be like you had a Cockney accent, which
is more of a you know, kind of working class accent.
You know that that you wouldn't you wouldn't get away
with it. So that was interesting to me that that
the UK is like that, like places are just so different.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
That's you travel a lot, Yeah, you travel a lot.
Like I know, I text you sometimes and off all
of your stories and I'm like, he's always on a plane,
You're always in a hotel room in your travels. Has
there been a place that you just love.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I'd say, like, you know, well, one, I love the
US because it's home and uh, and you know, it's
just kind of sad. I'm a big city person. I
love cities, and you know, the US has unfortunately the
very worst run cities in the world. No one's you know,
I mean, our cities are really authentically like sometimes worse

(06:57):
than like third world level. You know, it's pretty bad.
It's only gotten worse after COVID and everything, not that
COVID really had anything to do with that, just things
started falling apart.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Well, a lot of the boom.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
My theory why things kind of fell apart after COVID
was was a lot of the boomers retired, and there
was this kind of quiet boomer and I'll get back
to the original question, but there's this quiet Boomer mentality
of you know, just work quietly at a place for
forty five year, competently and quietly for forty five years,
you know, and get your pension retired.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yep. And that was it.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
And then a lot of the boomers retired. And you know,
I at least this could be totally antidotal, but I
noticed planes are always delayed. You know, nine times out
of ten it's delayed. There's a problem with the play
and like an obvious problem. And I remember I was
on one plane flying from Palm Beach, San Diego, and
there was a bunch of dead birds in the engine

(07:51):
and everything. And then the pilot was kind of complaining.
So they paid the pilots during COVID to just do
nothing right because they didn't want the pilots retire, but
they did not pay the maintenance people to just do
nothing right.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
So they all retired early or just retired.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
And so anyway, so the pilot said, you know, he
was like furious on the intercut, like really like sometimes
there's like pilot fears.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Oh I'm so mad, and I apologize, but he was
livid in.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
A way I've never seen the intercom on the intercoms
to us, to us, to the pastors, and he said,
there's you know, he was yelling, and I'll say it
nicer than he did, but you know, he said, there's
dead birds in the engine. This is the most oddous,
Like you can just walk outside and see the dead birds,
like it's not an easy thing to miss, it's impossible
to miss.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
So they didn't do the check.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
So he said, every every time when we pull in
an aircraft, and we you know, if maintenance people do
a check, that way, if there's any problems, they're taking
care of overnight, so that way it doesn't disrupt the
flow of traffic the next day. So so they they
missed a bunch of a bunch of bloody dead birds,

(08:55):
massive birds with feathers everywhere. So you know, they didn't
do the check. So I think, you know, the I
don't know what the classes. I look at my my
out my window, and I don't know if these people
look like you know, I want them maintaining an aircraft and.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Like they don't even care. And I think that's the thing,
Like there's a lot of people in those types of
it seems like our parents' generation was they took pride
in their work. It works somewhere for like I said,
forty five years they were like my grandpa, like we're
the same spot, who took pride in it, like he
loved it and it wasn't about the income, it was
about the like he just wanted to do the best

(09:31):
he could possibly make and obviously, yeah, provide for his family.
And now our culture is just like who's gonna pay
me more? Who's gonna do this? And there's just no
pride in your work and the quality of what you do.
Absolutely no, it's it's uh, it's I wonder what's all
the planes are crashing right now?

Speaker 1 (09:45):
I mean I blame I tend to, you know, I
it depends, I guess on the situation. But I think
yet Boeing gets a lot of blame for for uh
for it. But I wonder if it's just really bad
maintenance people not maintaining these you know, the boat These
Boeing planes are really old, made to last forever, pretty much.
They're made to last for you know, over fifty years,
I think, I mean, you know, don't quote me on that,

(10:05):
but a lot of them have been operating for fifty years,
so I assume they're they're made to last that long,
I hope, And and but I look for one of
years past their expiration, like they're like, you know, I
go in there this place that this plane's like from
the seventies and eighties, and and then you look at
the planes from then, and obviously they've made changes, but
the overall plane itself is looks the exact kind of
same as it did. And then, by the way, we

(10:26):
had supersonic jets in the seventies and everything, we had
the Concord, and I have, you know, if you want
to get into conspiracies, I have total conspiracies over the Concord,
which was a British French you know, joint plane for
supersonic commercial travel. And I felt the US tried to
make a competitor that plane, and they they couldn't and
and you know, and then this was going to take

(10:48):
over Boeing, so America dominated, you know, every and still
to this day, every every you know, now Airbus is
coming up a lot, but like pretty much still the
America makes the world's planes.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
And and.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
You know they didn't want Europe being in charge of
that and having that type of as. But the the
complaint for the concord was, you know, there's all these
loud supersonic booms.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
That's fair, but it was a very solvable problem.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
So they had they had already a prototype of they're
prototyping the concord too, and then they had there was
no supersonic boom that would be you know, hearable to
people on the ground and and and then and in
any supersonic boom, you don't hear it when you're in
the plane because you're ahead of it. So but they yeah,
the complaint was the concord was loud booms, very solvable problem.
NASA has a a U a prototype of a plane

(11:38):
right now where there's no so you know, it's a
plane that doesn't boom that's loud enough where it uh
people on the ground here. So it's a very solvable problem,
even back in the seventies and eighties. And uh, and
then you know the fear was you know, to operate
you know uses, uh, it's so high altitude uses fuel
that they were. It's the ozone layer expack in the
seventies ozone layer and it was just horrible for climate
change and everything. But the US, you know or whatever

(12:00):
back then it was global warming or whatever. And I
think back then it was like really whole nose only
that was like really like that was gonna have an
av anymore. I mean, yeah, We're not gonna have an
atmosphere anymore. And you know, maybe I think aerosol cans
you know, had somebody to do with that, but you know,
and I and I think Reagan banned those or whatever,
but uh but it was, it was it was insane.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
So you know, I think I think that they lied
to uh uh not get beat out.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, to not get beat out. And that's and that's
the beauty of America. And I really mean it in
like such a positive way. Is you know, America is
just the best, uh pr place in the world and everything.
It's so true and I remember asking it. So I'm
a huge space person, like I you know, I have
friends that don't think the moon landing was I think
it was one hundred percent real. I don't, you know,

(12:48):
I'm just such a space you know. I love space.
And but I I had a friend, you know, who
didn't think it was real. And he was a smart guy.
He was a he was at Duke. He was a
professor at Duke for a while. And then he you know,
we were talking about the moon landing, and you know,
I just said what I just said to you, I
said to him, and he said, well, either way, it
doesn't He was trying to be diplomatic, but he said

(13:08):
something so true. He said, either way, it is so
quintessentially American. He said, we either went to the Moon
in this really tight period of time and beat the
Soviets in this heroic mission and went you know, and
got to Moon and got it back and humans like incredible,
or we completely faked it and the whole world believed
it and we forced the Soviets to spend all this
money time with this thing. Either way, it's just so

(13:30):
quintessentially American and in the sense. And you know, and
he was talking about Trump and he said, and he said,
that's what's so great about Trump, just you know, burgers
fries business, but you know, also kind of full of
of in a good way, bullshit and bravado.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
You know, sometimes you gotta you gotta.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
B s a little in this life and truthful hyperbole. Right,
So it's uh, that was that was interesting. So anyways,
but back to the boomer front. We I was working
at this investment group for a while and this company
which is actually very successful, and they were successful and
they came to us. So right now AI, Right, AI
kind of functions as a plagiarism machine. So you know,

(14:07):
it takes all the you know, right now the Internet's
content and you're basically like as the inputs yeah, user, yeah,
you prompt it, and then it searches a database of
the Internet and then you know, strings words together in
a way that flows, you know, which was the event
They actually Google had you know, modern day AI since
twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, and then they just didn't release it.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
It was internal, it was open AI.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
They were so desperate that they poached people from Google
and remade what people had internally.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
It was what's called the transformer. So the transformer was the.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Was the breakthrough of being of a you know, of
AI to be able to basically you prompt it and
then it can kind of form words together and convert
it into something that's relevant to you.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
And Google already had that and.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Google had that technology, but they held it back for
so long because they they they and I know people
Google they held it back for so long because of
just couldn't make it like not racist or something or
not do bad outputs.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
So it was and it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, they couldn't control it enough, so they kept trying
to put restrictions on.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
If I said, tell me a racist joke, it would
tell me a racist joke exactly right now. If you
do that, there's like, oh, we'd you know, we.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Don't exactly, and you see competition like like open ai.
You know, they they they released it and then just
everything accelerated. You know, it's if you haven't you know,
heard of the four minute mile. Nobody could break the
four minute mile, and then someone did it, then everyone
else did it, right, So that's what was you know,
sad is is you know, I don't think that they
even had I don't think Google had as like good

(15:35):
as like chatchapt three point five, but I think they
had as good as like chatchipt. You know, if they
would have released it, and it would have it would
have we would have just been so much farther, Like
how many, how many? You know, AI is so good
for medical research is only getting better and.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
And does AI scare you at all?

Speaker 1 (15:53):
No, I mean, you know, so far it's been a
blessing in my life. So I don't future.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I mean, because there are people that look at AI
and I love a like listening to podcaster using AI
to review transcripts, create titles, and I mean it is
a life changing thing for me. But there are a
lot of people that are concerned about the future of AI.
And I know, you know, you know, the doomsday people,
the sentient robots, that kind of stuff, Like, is that
at all a concern of like or just AI completely

(16:18):
taking people's jobs like that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Well, I look at it in ancient Greece, and you know,
in Athens they had the mindset of we don't want
to work, and then there they they their equivalent of
building robots was you know, I don't know, it's too
blunt for this podcast, and I don't agree with it.
It was it was they wanted to and this was
a very serious idea talked about.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
There's a very.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Seriously idea talked about where they talked about interbreeding humans
with monkeys to create this working class. So none of
the Greeks had to work really and and you know
that's terrible in practice. But now with robots, you know
that the ethics of that, you know, is it's now gone.
So so you can like, I don't want to work.
I don't want to work, you know, so you know,
I want to work on things that I love. Yeah,

(17:00):
and I don't think most people want to work and everything.
So I want to create a society where working is
kind of optional, you know, and people take advantage of
that whatever. And I don't know what that looks like.
You know, people talk about UBI. We saw a taste
of that with COVID.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
You know, what is that? What does that mean from
like so I'm more of a capitalistic mindset, yeah, you know,
and is that like is that more of a socialist
way of thinking? No, I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Maybe it's things the goods just get so cheap and
so you know, it's so easy to make money and
things are so cheap that you know, you make five
hundred dollars a month that pays for everything, you know,
Like I don't know, you know, and and you know,
I have no clue, but I think if you have
robots that can do all the work. There's a way
to not have humans do work, so or at.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Least the grunt work that take away. I think it
will replace everything.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
So I I you know, I mean I think I
think that you know, for humans, they'll definitely be a
lot to do.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
But it was.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
But anyways, but back to this company that was pitching
us as this investment group. I know, I'm going all
over the but you know, Trump's weave as this investment group.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
And then they had pitched us.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
It was so cool, and they basically said, like, right now,
like they've take you know, all these AI companies, they've
taken the Reddit data, they're taken the YouTube data whatever,
and they they can't you know.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
But right now there's a lot of niche data that
they need. So like so they said, one of the
things that we're doing is, you know, we're finding great
mathematicians that you know, just have not published anything on
the internet ever, and then you know, kind of paying
them to just you know, do their thing in front
of in front of cameras and in a key logger
in their computer and then they sell that data to

(18:43):
you know, open Aye, and they already had, you know,
businesses with opening eye and then but that applies to
they said they they were pitching us because they want
to explain to robotics. So they said, we want to
you know, photograph, you know, we want to record, you know,
Lebron James, you know, shoot a hoop whatever you may
think of him, or Michael Jorde whatever, you know, whatever,
great bath player. So a robot can do that, you know,
because a robot can learn that from YouTube videos, which

(19:05):
has been a recent breakthrough where it can learn from YouTube.
But it's just something about having just a full three
D cameras and telling you to do this and.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
That and then that.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
But that can also apply to what we were talking
about with airplanes and maintenance people.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
The boomers are still alive, they're just retired.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
So you can just pay them, you know, let us
record you do your thing and uh and you know,
kind of write up some manuals if you can, and
then we're going to take that data and then now
the robots are just as good as the best boomer
maintenance person.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, the previous guest said he thinks that we're going
to have in home robots in the next ten years. What
do you think about that?

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, I mean I hope so, I mean it's uh,
it's it's I think that will help fertility the fertility
rates so much because it's you know, cookie, you don't
have to cook, you don't have to clean.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
You know, don't you think, like I guess the the
problem maybe this is just like in my initial reaction, like,
but humans still need purpose of like doing something like
when you're like yeah, I like the I mean yeah
cookie and cleaning me the grout work, take it away.
But like a lazy like you know, if if robusted

(20:09):
everything and we just like existed, I feel like that's
a terrible way to live when you don't well that
but that but that's that's freedom, you know.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
I mean you have the freedom to freedom to to
to do nothing, the freedom, the freedom to enjoy the
sweetness of doing nothing, the freedom to have you know,
because you'll be able to just command. Like you know,
there's a service called replet and it's just incredible, like
it it is like the best coder, Like I have
to write scripts for me. It's incredible, Like I've I've
I've had to make all these you know scripts for

(20:36):
me that just automates so much of what I do
and it's amazing, so you'll you'll be able to just
like they'll be just like squar space for factories, where
you just say, I have this idea for a thing,
and then there'll be these factories that just kind of
loan out their robots for you know, ten dollars an
hour or something, and then they are not even ten dollars,
just a flat rate for your product, which might be

(20:57):
just so cheap to manufacture, and then they do it right.
So I mean, I don't think I think I think
there'll be one. I think, as you know, there's just
so many people in the world, and I think I
think the population will really boom with robots.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Just because taking all that grunt work.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
And then I don't know if I support this, but
like you know, I couldn't like having it. Like a
lot of parenting and why someone stays at home. You
don't always have to be there if you have kids,
well you do, you always have to do there, but
there's these five minute windows where you just you know,
like you can't watch your kids for five minutes or something, right,
and then robots can kind of, you know, maybe fill
that gap. I don't know if I support that, but yeah,

(21:34):
well they're going to be you know, they're going to
be doing that.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I think on the flip side, more I'm interested in,
like what it would do for the home if robots
did allow parents spend more time with their children than now. Yeah,
like that's that was what gets me more excited is like, Okay,
well listen, if I have these robots doing cooking and
cleaning this, now I can go on vacation. Now I
could take spend quality of time with my children because
I'm not having to mow the grass for two hours
each you know, yeah, exactly, Like no, and that's a
beautiful thing too. Yeah, that is an interesting thing. It's amazing. Yeah,

(22:01):
it's so exciting.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
And then and and I think it's I think I
look forward to it every AI event.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
I just feel like there's part of it still scares
me a little, like there's still a part like is
there no part of you that's just like this can't backfire.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
I mean, you know you're gonna use and it's already
being used to you, and you can use AI and
warfare and everything, but then you can use AI against
the day like people talk about drone swarms but you
know that you get like, uh, I think Anderill Palmer Lucky,
he's a great he's a great guy. And you know,
he just created this, you know thing that's on the
back of a truck and then it just shoots an
MP localized EMP at the drones and they all fall.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
So I mean, it's just it. I mean on the
podcast actually, yeah, well he's great. Well, uh, you know,
a great guy.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Met him only briefly a few times, you know, I
don't not not not really friends.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, I just watched like a talk I'm like, this dude's.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Oh, he's so awesome, He's so awesome. And then but
he uh yeah, so anyway, so that's cool. So I
mean AI and warfare, will you know, like if you
don't use AI for defensive purpose says you know obviously
they you know that can lead to bad things. But
but and then yeah, I mean, and there's so much
a I fakes it's bad, but I think it's net good.
You know, I really do think it's like just overly

(23:12):
net good. And then you have people fear, you know,
losing losing jobs, and then and then you know there'll
be maybe a transition period, hopeful, hopefully not a rough
transition period. Hopefully not any transition period where where you know,
maybe you know, there'll be people kind of like you
really do have to think of like what is going
to happen?

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Is it? Do you get into the the.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
High economics and the free market economics where just wow, actually,
you know, we don't we don't need any UBI type system.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
I don't want you BI to happen because I think,
you know, there's just.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
So much fraud and that what's you you'd be a
universal based income. So you know, the thinking is with robotics,
things will be so cheap, you won't have to you know,
there'll be so little work to do. You know that
that's that's you know only you know you can paint
or whatever whatever you want to do.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Right, think of.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Think of business ideas that robots can all do you
know you can and the fortune five hundred companies one person,
you know, level level business is one person. And and
you know, but ultimately like there will be people that
that just won't have a job and then won't kind
of have some like idea in this new kind of economy.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
And then you know, what do you do with these
groups of people?

Speaker 1 (24:17):
And and then I think, you know, you know, kind
of the prevailing thinking, which I don't agree with, is yeah,
you just everybody gets universal based income, and then and
then you might not have to uh send a lot.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Of universal based income. Like it just things are so cheap.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, universe base based income will be five hundred dollars
a month and get you more than five thousand dollars
a month gets you.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Now, so it's, uh, that's kind of the hope. I mean,
it's just massive changes that would have to happen worldwide
for that to actually happen, though, right, Like that just
seems like a utopian pipe dream to a degree.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
It's it's not I mean, things will just get so
cheap to manufacture.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
I mean just it'll just be insane. I mean, but
you're not a But then if it'll be cheaper than
China if you look at the actual like in bulk price,
like an iPhone costs like fIF t bucks to make,
but like that's and they charge a thousand. That's what
I'm saying though, So even if you do get robotics,
like people consumer ever feel that decrease in well ice though.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
I think they'll ultimately be a huge segment of the
population that makes less money. So that's thus, like I
think on paper, average average money making per person will
go down, but buying power will get you more. It's
kind of like it's kind of like like reverse inflation,
where like, you know, you can make more money now,
but it's but if you actually need less, you actually

(25:33):
need less money, you can you can make a sixteen
thousand dollars you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
You know, you can make six.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Thousand dollars now a month, and you're making less than
when you were making five thousand a month, you know,
relatively years ago.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
So that's what's crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
So I think that's what will happen, is you'll have
I don't know if it's like exact like effect on
the dollar, but you'll you'll have more buying power with
your with your dollar. Even though the dollar will be
slightly more devalued by the time this robotic stuff about,
you'll still have more buying power with it. And then
so and you know, so I think there'll be two
classes of people. I think they'll be kind of a
kind of the people that were starting AI companies. I think, honestly,

(26:11):
like influencers will will still be in a is. I
think politicians will be in a in a good place.
I think influencers will be in a good place. I
think you know, uh tech founders that are in Ai
uh and robotics will be in a really good place.
And you know, robotics was like a terrible thing to
start a company, and like for effects a third world country.

(26:33):
I mean, things will be so cheap to manufacture. I
mean you'll be able to build a Dubai in like
you know, a year, like a whole wells everywhere over Yeah,
wells everywhere.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
But the thing is is that in a lot of
these countries, they do you know, they do get you know,
wells everywhere, and then you know they.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
They just they don't maintain them. They don't maintain them,
or they steal steal parts of them. I mean that's true.
Like Paul, I have a friend named Paul. He's doing
a walk across Africa right now. He's Allo's note owner
for op too great dude, And that's what he said
the biggest problem when it came into the podcast. He's like,
people don't understand, like papers that we need more wells,
we need more well so we every one sets He's like,

(27:09):
that's not true, because companies are making more wells and
then they have to go back a year later and
make it again because either they're not these companies are
coming in and not training anyone. They're just actually just
building it and leaving, and so people just don't know
even if they'd want to, or they're just not maintaining it.
They're breaking it, they're taking parts.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
And there's bad people in the society where where Yeah,
if you if you give them solar panels, which is
self sufficient energy forever. In Africa's sunning all the time, right,
it's just infinite energy. So so you're in a winter place,
it's not infinite energy. If you're in Africa, it's infinite energy.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
True.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
So it's uh, but then you know, I mean you
know you're so that you're so, yeah, you have bad
actors in your.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Community and and a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
You know, Africa actually is like uh, indust you know,
it is industrializing, and then there's places that are getting better.
It's it's kind of interesting to think about. There's all
these other different groups in Africa. Like you talk to
a you talk to an African, they're like, don't say
I'm East, you know, don't say I'm West African, I
don't say I mean, you know, an East African will
say that, and West African will say the opposite.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
And there's a million different dialects.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
And yeah, no, Africans are some of the most racist,
like like Africa. Africans are like some of the most
other Africans to other Africans, not even not even like
African Americans. Although actually there's there's a funny story I
have about that, which I don't know if I want
to get into, but but it was, it was, you know,
it was, uh, I have a terrible joke.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
I'll tell you after this though, but it was, it was.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
It's not even a joke. I just saw this like
tweet thread in front of me and it was so funny.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'll tell you later.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
But yeah, but it's anyways, but it's interesting. There is
actually a lot of places, I actually like some areas
of Africa. They are being better in these places. And yeah,
and uh, I mean like like it's kind of like
Nairobi is getting better, I think. I mean, I forgot
I forgot all the names, so don't quote me, but
they're actually, you know, things are getting better in these places.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Some of it is working. But there also is a culture.
I remember reading the.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Story of this guy and he was, you know, saved
up to this guy in Africa, saved up to kind
of buy and buy an oven to make bread. And
he was selling bread in his area and he was
doing good business. But then his whole family you know, said,
you know, you've got to give me. You know, I
want free bread, you know. So and then you know,
normally family, you know, you have a you know, a

(29:28):
restaurant for the restaurant, but it was like literally like
every cousin everyone free bread, fruit. But so his supply
for his business was always being taken for free, and
he never said no. It just wasn't the culture. So
there's some bad actor part of it. There's a cultural
part of it where where it's just like I can't
say no. I can't say no to my father and
my mother, right, I can't say no, you know, I
can't say to my brother, my sister, I can't say

(29:50):
no to my cousin. And so some of it's like
that too. So so thus if you do build up
wealth and then they ask you for money, it's kind
of some some of the that wealth could just go right. Yeah,
that some of that culture because they won't say now
it's it's like, you know, it's it just it just
they just don't. I mean some areas definitely, I'm sure
you know something. But but but on net this was
a story and it wasn't an uncommon story.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
It wasn't always the rule, but it was. It's not
an uncommon story.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
So it's it's uh like like in kind of Western
culture and not all Western cultures. And I think this
air is kind of to an extent of on the
bad on the bad side of things is is you
know your your family like won't help you. You know,
it's like kind of popular for these billionaires to say,
I'm not giving my money to my kids.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, it's a very popular. And I don't know, if
I make billions dollars, they're going to my kids? Yeah?
Who better? Right, I don't.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
I don't want to give them some ng o. You know,
what are they gonna do with it? They're gonna give
to their kids. So you know, so I want my
all my money. I want to go to my kids.
So you know, I don't know what this weird, but
but it isn't you know, uh, a Western mindset.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
And I think there's some good in that mindset, but
I think the way it's carried out, like I'm nowhere
near to where like I have generational wealth right now,
Like we're building it, we're building businesses, we're trying to
get there. Right if God blesses me to where I
have that type of wealth that I need to, like
my kids would never have to work. Let's pretend like
it's that tough, funny, right, There's part of me that says,

(31:11):
as a father, like I want my children to learn
the lessons of hard work. I want them to learn
the lessons of meritocracy. I want them to learn that
like life isn't just given to you. So I can
see like trust or like after they've like worked for
x amount of time, they have access to Like I
just I do see the lessons that if you're not careful,

(31:32):
you're just raising entitled brats.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
That well, I agree, but I think I think a
lot of these people who like make this kind of money,
you know, it's tough to be be a good good
parent too, because it's just you know, you kind of
got to you know, find to make it right. So
so a lot of these when you see like spoiled
bradage kids out there.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
They they it's just their parents weren't there. Yeah, maybe
it's less about the money and it's more about Yeah,
he raised a ton of money.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
I want to make sure that I'm doing it in
a way where I'm spending my time with my kids
as possible, and to make sure because I want to
say my kids, I want you to use this money,
you know, I mean, do nothing if you want, I guess,
but like I think that's not a fulfilling way to
spend your time on this earth or you know. And
it's not like go start a business either necessarily. It's like,
go do something great with this money. Money is such
a money, you know, money runs the world, and for

(32:21):
better or for worse, go go do something really really
great with this money.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Maybe it's making great music, Maybe it's starting a great business.
Maybe it's creating a new invention.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Maybe it's just running a charity like.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah yeah maybe yeah, maybe a charity that actually helps
people in a real way, you know, systematically. So it's
a it's go do something great with the money, you know,
Go go run for office or something like, go go
do something great, you know, like Joseph Kennedy, he made
all those money and then you know his kids, you know,
whatever you think of the Kennedys, he you know, his
kids didn't do nothing right. You know, they had generational

(32:56):
wealth and his kids didn't do nothing.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
You know, he is.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
There was Joseph Kennedy junior who was fought fought in
World War Two and was killed, and that was the
person you know, JFK's father was grooming to be president
because you know, Joseh Kennedy's junior was the uh it
was the oldest. Yeah, and he kind of looked a
little bit like even more handsome than the JFK. Like
he looked a little more all American, a little more
Captain America. GfK looks very aristocratic, yes, GfK or Joseph

(33:22):
Kennedy junior, GfK's older.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Brother, more soldiery.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, it really looked like Captain America, soldier, rugged guy
in an all American was like with Kennedy, but like
a real square jaw.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
And it was really cool to he photos.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
But he died and then you know JFK was the
next oldest, so it's like you're gonna be president and
then Joseph Kennedy he paid he paid a million dollars
to a congressman to step down and in a safe
Democrat seat. And then JFK got to go to Congress
at I think it was twenty five, twenty six, wow,
somewhere around there. So his father bought the seat for him,
and then, you know, and then he went to Senate,

(33:55):
and then he went to President and then he was shot.
Then we go to the next kid, and then he
was shot and then and then and then we go
to Ted Kennedy. Oh he killed a woman, you know,
and then uh and then and then and then he died. Yeah,
you know, so then uh so it's center K Junior,
JFK Jr. I mean yeah, I mean gf K Junior
was was was going to run clearly in r f

(34:16):
K junior rf K Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well
JFK Junior nineties, I mean yeah, and he was friends
with Trump.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
He was cool and real.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, he kind of killed him. He was really cool.
He was like real handsome too and everything. And he
spoke at the d n C and he just had
a glamor about him and he was prepping to when Yeah,
he was already an elected office in New York.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
I think it was district attorney or assistant district attorney
or something. And and he but he.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Was a reckless guy in the sense of if you
if you don't believe he was murdered. And I'm not
sure if he was assassinated, I don't I don't think.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I don't really know the story at all. I don't
think he was.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
No. Well, yeah, in the nineties he was this, you know,
prince of New York and he did Trump John F.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Kennedy Junior, Yeah, John F. N junr Son.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Okay, so he was just a kind of a baby
toddler when when when his father was killed and the
end the nineties, he was in his twenties.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Thirties or whatever.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
And and he he uh, he was just this man
of total glamour, almost more glamorous than his father, and
but in a modern way. And he started like this
magazine Trump was on the cover. Was magazines they did
at all interview with him and everything. And he married
this this beautiful woman that was you know, just just
a you know, you know, classic classic look. Although you

(35:24):
know they fought he died. Yeah, well, he he flew
in a he was a pilot, but like in a
small plane like Esna. Yeah, and and then he flew
into a storm just because I guess he thought he could.
He was he was kind of reckless with his body,
you know. So like one time he was flying in
kind of a kind of one of those bicycle little
kite planes or something, and then he broke his leg.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
He felt like, you know, fucked it up and broke
his broke his leg.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
And but yes, he took his whole family to go
to Martha's vineyard in the Cessna through a thunderstorm where
other people were canceling their flight plans and then you know,
he was taking down the storm. And you know, that's
so the story goes. But he does have a history
of being reckless. And then yeah, RFK Junior is the
one that made it, made it the farthest, so it's yeah,
it's so cool. And then but he's been capped by

(36:11):
his voice.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know, I think R K.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Junior would be president if he didn't like, you know,
sound like yeah yeah, or sound like you're you know,
a vacuum king cleaner over a bunch of pennies.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
You know, that's kind of what he sounds. Like, so
it is it is. No, it sounds like a vacuum
cleaner vacking up like a hundred pennies. I don't think
it doesn't help him when he's before Congress and he
gets really amped up. Yeah, it doesn't help be cursed man. Yeah,
well maybe it's saved his life maybe, you know. Yeah,

(36:43):
and he's not all right for himself. Yeah, yes, yes,
And so I wanted to pivot back because you said,
you know, money ruled the world earlier, and then you
also mentioned your history with crypto. So before we wrap up,
for those that don't know who you are, I mean
in description, so the people that made it this far,
thank you. Think you like you've you've been a visionary
since you've been young. And then that's why I was

(37:04):
enjoying the conversation talking about what you think of the
world of AI, because like you've shown a track record
of being ahead of the times, and you were young
when you stumbled across bitcoin, and then that's changed your
life in a lot of ways. So if you wouldn't
mind telling us when did you first hear about bitcoin
crypto and just walk us through that quick story fueling

(37:25):
right now.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Absolutely, yeah, and happy to So how I got into
bitcoin was I was actually brought to this protest by
my older brother.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
I was just like a tween and some it was
a very footloose like protest.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Some people got arrested for dancing at the Jefferson Memorial,
which is actually illegal. So it was just like four
people with their you know, their iPods if you remember those,
and wired headphones, and then they were just in the
corner quietly dancing, and then the park ranger said, you know,
that's illegal, and then the other three kind of backed off,
and this one guy wouldn't And then again he wasn't loud,
it wasn't a boombox, and he was just there dancing,

(37:57):
you know, quietly, literally just doing this. And then they
slammed his head on the marble floor, knee on the neck.
You know, you could almost hear his skull crack when
it hit the floor, and it was on video and
he uh uh, you know that was terrible. That's why
is the legal dance to jeffs Moriles insane. So a
thousand of us came the we just descended on the
Jeffson Memorial. My brother brought me to protest all as

(38:18):
a kid, and and we all came the dance of.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
The Jeffson Memorial.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
But you know, you think, oh, it's a fun that's
a fun fun, funny thing, like makes me laugh right
thinking at you know, I thought it'd be funny too.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, And but no, they had riot police.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
They had cornered off all the exits, and they had
a black helicopter. This was in like two thousand. It
was like the Ron Pollier somewhere between eight to twelve somewhere. Yeah,
this is like the J six before J six.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, tell me.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Apparently that's how they were treated. They treated Yeah, that's
how they treated it. So even more so, actually wow.
And they had a black calicopter guy you know, circling
like just two stories high, like really low, with a
guy on the side with like you know, holding the
machine gun attached to it in military uniforms. Insane and
you can look up the videos of this. Then they
had riot police on horseback, so they blocked off all

(39:06):
the exits. That one so here are the steps of
Jeff's memorial and then and then they had one exit
there they blocked off everything, and then they had a
bunch of riot police all here. So things, you know,
kind of went down, you know, you run and then
they have orp bright police and they had like the
sticks and every yeah in the shields, yeah yeah, yeah something.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
And then so anyways, so and they's all for dancing.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
This was all just a thousand like weird you know,
kind of you know, weird people dancing the jeffs.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
How old were you at this time?

Speaker 1 (39:32):
I was around like twelve, so so it was crazy.
So I was again my brother brought me to all
these protests and and it was incredible. So things popped
off and you know, we all started running and uh
and then you know, I kind of was joking. I
asked this, you know, running and I asked this guy
next to me in this orange shirt on and with
a B on it that looked like a dollar sign,
and I said, what's the you know, kind of running

(39:52):
like what's that? You know, didn't expect him to respond,
and then he said, it's bitcoin, man, It's going to
end Wall Street, bro, and he ran off, and uh, anyways,
and that's how I heard about bitcoin, no way. So
and then we went up and looked it up later
and we thought it was this really cool thing that
could uh. Me and my brother looked it up later,
and you know, that was a really cool thing that
could change the world. And then you know, I had

(40:14):
my grandmother. You know, it was very kind to she
gave me a thousand dollars. I think she thought she
was gonna die. I thankfully she was actually my only
living grandparents still a lot. Yeah, but I think she
thought she was gonna die. She give me a thousand
dollars favorite grandson, I guess. And then and then you know,
not not the brand, but it's uh, it's uh, you know.
And then I put that into bitcoin, and then I
just kind of spend every day trying to predict the

(40:34):
markets to.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
How much was bitcoin trading. When you put it that
it was like ten twelve dollars, so it was uh,
it was really loined.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
So I it was like like a ten dollars and
change got me like about one hundred bitcoins. So it
was incredible at that time. So that was nothing at
the time, it was a thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
And then you kept buying and growing it.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, I kept buying and growing in you know, you
you you make your best to predict. Yeah, you wanna
wanna buy low, sell high, so you try to predict.
And then A lot of it was, you know, just
doing what I do and doing what I could as
a as a tween or teenager to pull in money
to put more money into it. So because I felt,
you know, you had nothing else to do as a child.
You know, my bills were bills were paid.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
So at what point did you table a million dollars?

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Which I was eighteen years old when I reached a
million dollars and that's in bitcoin as a bitcoin. Yeah, yeah,
eighteen year get confused that, I say, they think it's
a million bitcoin.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
I want to I wish, I wish million dollars at
the age of eighteen. Was it weird growing up in
school with this? Did your friends know that you had
this investment with this big cooin? And because early on
no one really knew what it really was, I don't.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
I don't know if they did. I think I think
some did. You know, there was one other guy. So
I was a freshman in high school at the time,
you know, like later, like I you know, not not
at first when I first came to bitcoin, but you know,
I dropped at a high school actually, so I uh,
but you know, kind of my last year of high school,
I was a freshman and then I started like the
beginning of my soft more year and then i'd like

(42:00):
skipped the grade earlier. So I was kind of freshman
age in the beginning of my sophomore year when I
dropped out. But when I was in my freshman year,
I was friends with My friends were more like the seniors,
so and one of those, one of those guys was
in bitcoin. So people would hire him to build out
bitcoin mining rigs, you know.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Back in the day.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, this was like twenty thirteen or something, and then
and then you know, so anyways, but he was he
was he was a character. So I don't know if
we saw side eye and everything, but you know, at
the time, he was the only one that would kind
of talked about bitcoin. I don't I don't remember if
I talked about bitcoin to anyone. If I did, like,
no one really like oh whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, and so your secrets like a fair response, like yeah,
because it's a fair response. And I just don't people
think even understood like what this was. And then when
you you reached a million dollars at age eighteen, and
then since then you said you've done media stuff. I know,
I believe you started other companies in organizations. No, I
ended U.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
I started coming when I dropped out of high school.
I started this ed tech company which I later sold,
ironically an education tech company because I love learning, so
that was cool. And then sold that company and put
that money kind of back into bitcoin too, which was cool.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
So so what do you do now? Like, because so,
if I'm understanding correctly, you don't have to give numbers
on the show, Like that's fine, Like you're doing well
and and and bitcoin is doing very well right now,
so I'm sure that's behoving to you. How do you
fill your time right now? How do I feel my time? Well?

Speaker 1 (43:23):
I believe in optial Yes, time to shill, Yes, time
to shill, so time to show.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
No.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Well, you know, my friend came to work here. He
had actually I had hired him a long time ago
to do a project for me.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
You know, he has his own business.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
So and I'll say, actually work with him and and
then yeah, and then he kind of he invited me
this party where you and I met and as Jason
so and anyways, so anyways, he he he brought me on.
He introduced me to Yoser here, and Yaser is incredible.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
He's an a player.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
I only want to work with a players, and I
think he's incredible. I think he feels the same, so
you know, anyways, and yeah, I saw the vision and
then yeah, I know, uh, you know, I really I'm
a huge believer in crypto obviously, and I'm a huge
believer in the potential of you know, kind of blockchain
based social media platforms for free speech purposes. And I
have known every owner of Parlor since the beginning, since

(44:20):
they were kind of in a booth at Sea Pack
doing their first booth, just trying to get the word out.
And so you know, so I've known I've known every
owner of Parlor, and I you know, these are this
is the this is the end all be all. You know,
y'alls is the end all be all owner of Parlor
and everything. And then yeah, and kind of separately what
he's doing in opt you and how he's integrating that
with Parlor, So that that was kind of what got

(44:40):
me into it, because yeah, I had a friend here
that I that I love and trust, and then a
big fan of Parlor and seeing it seen it all
and it's it's just incredible. So I love Optio because
I I just I just believe in the power of
a free speech social media platforms.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I mean, it's incredible and it's incritical because it's a
it's a blockchain that the something. It's a coin that
does something. It's not just a transactional it accomplishes real
utility in the world. And I think, I'm not a
crypto guy, and I'm kind of dumb, Like I like
to think I can have decent conversations with people, and
that's about where my brain power is done. But like
when Brian explained it to me, like there's two versions

(45:18):
of crypto. There's the transactional one and then there's a
utility one. He just kind of dumbed it down for me.
I don't know if that's true. Like this accomplishes more
than just people saying there's perceived value in a coin
because we say there's value in a coin. It actually
does something. It houses apps, it powers apps, and I
was like, Oh, that's that's cool. So it's almost like

(45:39):
the stock of a company, like it does something, you know,
and that's I agree, and that that's what got me
personally excited about the project. Is there anything specifically for
the people listening that are like, what is optio, Like,
is there anything that you were like, man, this specific
thing when when Jason presented this to you, that you
were like, this is awesome. O. I think it's what
I already said.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Yeah, just blockchain based like you look at x, X
could easily be banned, you know, or shut down or
bankrupted or whatever, right like, it's uh, it's any any
of these platforms are still very vulnerable. Even if you say, like,
you know what, we have a website or a mobile website.
Even if we get banned off the app stores, there
still exists, right Like, it's uh, they can ban your website.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Why wouldn't every social media website go to a blockchain?

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Well, I don't know, you know, I think I think
that's the question. I think just people kind of haven't.
I think it's a little bit of work to integrate.
Now I think that's the only thing. And then and
it's not needed because you know, you live. It's it's
the same reason why people say, you know, why do
we need uh, you know, bitcoin when you know the
dollar works just fine? Why what I don't you know
how to you know people at the time I remember

(46:43):
saying to me and maybe still some people say like
paying for my coffee is fine.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Why do I Why did I need bitcoin? Right right?

Speaker 1 (46:50):
And and it's because bitcoin works on the back end.
Bitcoin works without any need for government. Right now, your
currency and your credit card and your banking system all
has to go through government and federal reserve, and like
it really does.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Right.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
So it's uh so it's it's kind of a privilege
to not to not especially back then, it's a privilege.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
To to not know why it's needed.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
And and I hope people, I hope that privilege exists forever.
I just want, uh you know, I hope that X
is free speech forever and no one does anything to
it again, you know, I think it unfortunately, I think
a Democrat will win again at some point, and then
they're going to go after X. Are going to go
after true social They're going they'll go after something else.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
You know.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
I mean it's uh, you know, maybe maybe it's uh
you know, maybe they go after pro Palestine platform. May
they go after pro Israel platform. Yeah, who knows, it's
it's uh, it's it's the you know, the point is
to make it so you can't go after anyone.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
And and and.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
I see, you know, I think one of the The
bullish case for optio is that, you know, the the
United States, uh, the United States doesn't isn't necessarily guaranteed,
and the West at large is not guaranteed to maintain
free speech as a value forever. Trump getting re elected
I felt like, you know, was a nice save. But

(48:09):
if he didn't, you know, then, I think is free
speech would have been pretty much gone at that point
and you just have to work within the confines of
you know, uh, you know, no free speech.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
And that's it with Parlor in twenty twenty one when
they zag off it's from AWUS because they blame it
for j six, like it can be that fast, and
it's so interesting how they do it. They do it,
and there's.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Such a you know, such a such a free market
approach to government banning you where it's it's uh and
again I'm very pro pro free market, but it's it's funny,
like I feel like there's a little bit more honesty
in the government that just as your website's banned versus
like the like you know, as as Elon released in
the Twitter files. Back in the day, you know, the
FBI was actively pressuring yes, social media companies.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Zuck said the same thing on Rogan that like literally
the Biden administration should be calling them, like yelling at them,
like take these posts out exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
I know a guy named Mike Ben's pretty good on Twitter,
and I think he said this publicly. He said it
to me personally, but I think he said it publicly.
So I don't think I'm saying anything that you wouldn't
want me to say. But you know, he was working
in the State Department. So State department was also a
big hub for all the censorship stuff because you know,
the the United States State Department is that is that
if a the fear is is that if a domestic

(49:20):
political movement wins power that doesn't want to engage in
you know, any kind of you know, foreign you know,
you could frame it as foreign interventionism, you can frame
it as an you know, empire building, ever you want
to think about it. They're they're afraid of a domestic
political party rather on the left or the right, winning
and like pulling out of all of America's military bases

(49:40):
around the world. So they want to you know, and
you know, these people aren't good at making like great arguments.
They're just kind of like, let's just set for them.
That's just easier as their mindset. So I remember, I
think I think Mike Benn said this. He was at
State Department and he said, I think he was on
the phone with Google or something or maybe it was
Facebook or something, and he he said, you know, I

(50:01):
think you brought up on the call, like why are
you censoring so much? And then I and I think
it was Google, and they said, we thought this is
what you wanted, you know, So was what Mike ben said.
So it was interesting. He's like, we thought this was
what State topar wanted, you know, and then it was
censoring Trump.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Trump is them and stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
So it was it was it just goes to show,
you know, Trump was such a and is an incredible
new political movement. But you know, the problem with like
I think Biden did a lot more damage than Obama,
unfortunately because Biden as not cognitive as he was, but
his team has just been in Washington just for so long. Yeah,

(50:37):
and you learn all these buttons and leverage.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
And Obama was just running it when Biden was in office.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
I think he had to say I think there was
a lot of different factions. I think that it's it's
too simple to say Obama was running it and but
it it as to my point is in the sense
by the time you got to the bidendministration with either
Obama having more experience or Biden having decades of experience,
but he has to mention but his staff having decades
of experience, right, like they just have so like like

(51:05):
in that term, they caused a lot more damage than
they I feel that Obama's eight years in that four
years because so many more illegal immigrants came and everything.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
And yeah New York penthouses, like yeah, it's because at
the same time Obama brought in Obama Careen. So it's
oh absolutely.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
And you know if if you know, people talk about
Luigi shooting this health insurance guy in the head, and
you know it that guy, that type of person has
to work within the insurance system, you know, I mean that,
you know, I think there's one man to blame for
everything that you hate about health insurance. And I don't
know if it's the guy that was killed. Yeah, And
I don't think anyone should be killed, but I think

(51:45):
that there should be, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
One that people don't think is the one that should
be blamed.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Yeah, I think that there should be some uh you know,
at least a reputational or legal accountability for for you know,
I think the person that ruined the entire health insurances I.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Mean similar kind of situation to Fauci too, Like yeah,
like you ruin a bunch of stuff and that, Yeah,
what's going on with him? Is he like he's not
jail right, Like he's still just guind got pardoned. Isn't
that crazy? That really went? Right?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
I think if I didn't believe it, I kind of
didn't believe he got part Like, at first I didn't
believe it.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
I was like, is that another Fauci Trump's nominee? Right?

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Well then been there forever? Okayauchi just been he he
I don't know whether his position was civil.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Trump this was the one that like when said Fauci,
we're going to rely on what you say, right, Yeah,
I know he was. But but then Biden is the
one that ended up partying him.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yeah yeah, no, Well, well the thinking with Fauci was
at first found SHEI was this this kind of guy
who's just existed in government what forever? And then and
then he had kind of not been he'd been he'd
definitely been. I mean, you can read a book r
KG and you did a whole book about him, but
you know, just for someone that like didn't know his
whole history, you know, you think, oh, there's a guy
Center for Disease Control, you know or whatever. It wasn't CDC,

(52:58):
it was I forgot where he was. Did Center for
Infectious Diseases or something whatever, whatever group he was in
charge of. And then you know, at first he's kind
of just doing the interviews, and I think Fauci was
in the beginning just doing the interviews actually against locking
down because you know, I think people see those clips
because Trump was initially smart to use it as an
immigration play, which was because he said, we're you know,

(53:19):
we're shutting down im you know, immigration from these countries
due to COVID. So thus all the left.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Came out and we're like, no, no, it's.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Great, go have dinner and shine it down everything, which
is but you know, build a Blasio said. And then
and then Fauci was part of that group as well,
So people go, Fauci's hypocritical, Well, it was because Fauci
didn't want Trump to do this immigration thing, you know.
And then and then and then and then I think
it was seen as an opportunity to uh take out
you know, kind of an incumbent president. So I mean

(53:47):
I think if I think the timing of it was wild, yeah,
Like well, I think that they go like, let's like
they go, we got like maybe swineful, maybe it's a
worst strain or anything, we got a worst strain of lines.
How can we how can we how can we spend
this to our advantage? Because I think it's election season
and everything, Like you look in two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight, you know, people all blame, you know,

(54:10):
and there's definitely a lot of blame to go around
Wall Street. But you know, like you can, like a
bunch of head fund hedge funds that are politically active
can get together and sell everything and then that nuke's
the entire market for everyone. And you can even do
things that are more clever than that, which is you
could cause you know, you could buy up things and
then really tank it. You can stage you know, options trading,

(54:32):
you can corrupt that like people they'll lose.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
These people have no problem.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Losing billions of dollars a lot of the times, because
you know, it's like anyone who makes a movie. You
spend so much time on your movie. You know you're
going to put a political message in that, whether you're
left or right. This do you put so much time
into it?

Speaker 2 (54:48):
I would. You're gonna put your person, like what you
believe into that. Yeah, and same for you know, a
lot of Wall Street people are about the money. But
a lot of Wall Street people go, I want to
do something with this money. I don't want to just
make money. And then you get so good at making
money that it's okay you can lose two billion because
you'll get you know, you'll get two billion back eventually.
So you know, So I think a lot of two
thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, there was a

(55:10):
there was a purposeful tanking of the uh, you know,
I think a lot. I think you know, George he
takes the pound, you know in the UK, and the
pound sterling is you know, was kind of seen as
a more stable currency than the dollar for a long time.
I mean it just the price of gold is still
set in London. So I mean it's, uh, it's it's interesting. So,
you know, I think that they have no problem hurting people.

(55:32):
I think I think in whose day I think a
lot of powerful people in this country that you know
you're about left wing causes that that and and maybe
even some of those are you know right wing people
too that that go. You know, this election is so important.
Whoever becomes president so important. You know, you know, the
the ends justify the means. Let's go do this because

(55:54):
they're capable of doing it. You can just get me. Yeah,
I mean, you could look at a lot of wars
and other situations that have happened in our country, be like,
it's not a far fetch to say that was government
or people that want to control. Have you seen a
movie called The Amateur It just came out. I haven't, Okay,
So it's basically it was a terrible movie for me
to watch. Right now, I was leaving my wife because
it was basically wife goes to London, wife gets killed,

(56:15):
and it's like this like decryptor guy is like nerd, right,
And here I am on the plane watching this movie
of like this dude's wife getting killed, and I'm like
leaving my wife and kids. So I'm like texting herm
like lock the doors, like I'm like paranoid whatever. Whatever.
So I'm watching this movie and basically it's the whole
thing that this guy just find all this government decrypted
documents of lies of wars that they said were terrorist strikes.

(56:38):
They were don't drown strikes and like thing and all
that kind of stuff. And like you look back at COVID,
is it too simple to be, like, it is not
infathomable to believe that the Wuhan lab was run by
America that was released because they did not want Trump
in office again that bad, I know it? That is
it too simple to be my take on it.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
And this was my no facts, no evidence, you know,
opinion you know on it is is you know they
they test diseases and everything, so you know the hope
is like a really like you know, death defined disease happens,
that you have tested it ahead of time with weaker
strains to to get out of it so it doesn't happen.

(57:19):
And then I think that just got out. So I
don't think it was intentional that it got out, but
I think that this was this was about to get
to is My take is is I think, let you know,
I think there's some people that go COVID was entirely fake.
I think COVID definitely killed people. Yes, I got COVID
twice and I was like, I could see this could
kill like a nine year old like this, this is terrible.
But you know, I didn't go to the hospital or anything,

(57:42):
but it was I was like, I guess, see this
could kill like some someone in a weak state, and
then some people get it, you know, extra bad. But
I think my if Hillary Clinton were president, if she
had won in twenty sixteen and were presentry and then I.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Think they wouldn't even tell people. I think they just
let people kind of I think, go through and it
was a straight of pneumonia. Yeah, I think it would
just be like how swine flu was in the news,
and swine flu was a little scary. I mean I
just question everything now after COVID, like did he bola
really go away? Like or is it just like I
mean it like, does a bola just kind of affect
people that like live in diseases? Because I look at

(58:14):
San Francisco on the streets and I'm like, you know,
if you put up a photo of a bola, a
guy with a bola, yeah, this person looks no different, right,
And so people that die from pneumonia each year, yeah,
and it's like, oh, it just happens, and you can
get a vaccine if you want to or not. And
I think the thing that lost me with COVID is
so we have people on a church that passed away,
We have people in a church that like are very

(58:35):
sensitive about the COVID subject just because they had family
members passed away, and and then other people that completely
think as a hoax. And so you have the complete
far ends of it. But it was a real disease
that killed people. That was bad. But what lost me
is when they said old people are high risk. Okay, okay,
I get it, So they should be the ones that
should get the vaccines, right, No children should now And

(58:59):
you're like, well wait, I thought you said are the
children at risk? No? No, no, not really. Well I'm like, oh,
so I have a two year old and a six
week old. Part of the vaccine schedule is the COVID vaccine.
That's what they're niece and like that they do it.
But when they do that, what they don't want. What
the government doesn't understand that she doesn't understand, is they
put now distrust in every other vaccine now, like pre COVID.

(59:23):
I was very like, yeah, we're gonna vaccinate. Obviously, we're
gonna get our kids back. I don't like to get it.
But now it's like, if you're telling me COVID is
a good vaccine for my five week old to get,
why should I believe you on all the others Now,
I'm not anti vaccine, like we like, we still believe
that there are good things that have happened in herd immunity.

(59:43):
But I've now been like, wait a second, if you're
telling me, as a doctor, my child should get this vaccine,
that my child has no risk of this disease, why
should I believe you? On the resk and they're just
shooting themselves in the foot. It totally is.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
And you know, no, I look at it as no
medicin in a sacer saint, whether it be a pill
or a liquid or an injection, right, you know, like yeah,
when I was a kid, U I they released this
vaccine and it caused me a lot of pain. And
then they you know, they got sued for it. It even
killed some babies because it caused them so much pain.
Thankfully I was fine and all good, but well, I

(01:00:20):
mean I wasn't a lot of pain as a kid.
Because of it, but it ended up being okay, but
it killed some babies and uh, and then they got
sued for it, and then recalled it and they said
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Oops, sorry, and then they and then they do pay out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
But that's baked in, right, So it's uh, but you know,
but yeah, but my mom got the pneumonia vaccine and
she said, best thing of it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
I swear by that best thing I've ever done.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Yeah, and everything and and then so I just look
at it where here, whether it be a pill, like yeah,
you know, some people after COVID people talk about like vaccines,
but if you talk about them pills, suddenly they have
a different attitude. But it's like, well, you know, it's
just a delivery method.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
It's not it's like it's medicine. It's uh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
It's whether some pills are good, some pills are bad,
depends on your situation, depends on your health, depends on
the products. Some pills are just bad for everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Some liquid medicines are good, bad or bad for everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Uh, some vaccines or injections are are like that. So
I mean it's it's uh. I I have nothing against
the concept of medicine. I have nothing against the concept
of liquid or or a tablet or a injection as
a delivery method. I get that there's maybe some you know, uh,
you know, there's there's different pros and cons to each
delivery method that you have to think about, and and

(01:01:32):
and then that's why they choose various delivery delivery methods.
So I mean, it's a you know, no, no medicine
is Sacer saying. But it's just the lack of openness
across exactly. And I think also real quick, but also,
the COVID vaccine isn't a cure, so it's a different game.
But I said it was, yeah they did, and and
that's that's the thing is, it's just they kept lowering
the bar.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
That's the vaccine is going to be a cure.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Yes, okay, what time, Yeah, yeah, the vaccine. Okay, Okay,
you might get COVID, but you're not going to get
it bad at all, Like you won't have any bad symptoms. Okay,
you'll get vaccine, you'll, you'll, you'll you'll still get covid, you'll,
you'll you actually will get bad symptoms, but you won't die,
right and then and then now it's like, ah, you
might die, Actually might di have a heart attack?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Yeah, But but that's it, Like if it were a
cure and then maybe there was some heart risk or
some other risks, you know, and then and then maybe
you were taking risk if you're an seventy five year
old overweight, diabetic individual. It's like, I'm going to take
the risk on the vaccine because I'm probably gonna die
if I get COVID.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
You might, yeah, you might take That makes sense, and
that's a fair trade. That's that's you're allowing people to say,
I'm going to make the best decision for my family.
But when you're like not allowing people to work places
and you're not allowing people to play on sports teams
or show up and like or have you make a
five year old wear masks in kindergarten?

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Well, ultimately it was a very And I love the
boomers because the boomer people insult the boomers and they go, wow,
the boomers are the reason why housing costs. I get
why people say that, but it's not a boomer's fault.
They won't sell their house, like, yes, they're forever home.
They build more houses, I don't tell you, and then
they don't like, you know, and they don't because it's
it costs so much money too, because of endless regulation.
You know, you need to basically like just fix zoning regulations,

(01:03:08):
so much regulations and then you can and build more housing,
you know, and do a real initiate about it. And
then you know, then you like, I have sympathy for
some nine year old that goes like, yeah, I don't
want to sell my home for you know, I want
to die here, you know, and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
So I get that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
But at the same time, COVID was very you know, selfish,
you know, like like, you know, I talked to old
people and they say, you know, I don't I don't
want kids to lose years of their education for me,
and I had I had, you know, people in their seventies, eighties,
nineties say this to me just to say, you know,
I'm willing to, you know, have a little bit more

(01:03:43):
risk in my life so that way, like kids don't
get a bad start. Yeah, because a lot of kids
got a bad start and lost education. And you know,
I'm not like pro sending your kid necessarily to all
these schools or whatever, but you know that people did
just do nothing for those years.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
A lot of times you just did nothing. Yeah, admin
was like trying, like just had college from his house
and it was and they didn't go and they didn't
go outside. So you you you you you know, they
lost socialization. Suicide rates are up every Yeah, that was
just a terrible So I I I don't know like that.
I liked the old old some of the older people

(01:04:17):
I talked to, they they said, you know, it's it's uh,
you know. I I I don't know if this was
a common thing. I don't know if it was an
uncommon thing. I wish it was a common thing, which
is to say, you know, we're we're we're in.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
We're willing to take a little more risks to help
the lives of younger people, of children, of people just
starting their careers, to not miss out and to not
be held back years and everything, because that's what happened,
held back people years, as you said, suicide rates and
I and you know, maybe like I think I like
the idea of grocery stores opened an hour earlier for
just old people. Like I think those were those were

(01:04:50):
good options. And I wish that they had developed an
actual cure, and they still haven't. They don't even try it.
I think they gave up on trying and and then yeah,
but it was a very it was very self fish
for people to say, you know, you at the start
of your career have to you know, kind of because
you lose so much networking opportunities for jobs and there's
no job fares and everything that's all online, and you know,

(01:05:13):
it's hard enough to find a job in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
More ways than just schooling, just relationally communication, and then
you people just go crazy when they're just locked in
their house like it was anyway, crazy time crazy. Well,
last thing I want to do because we could talk
for an hour. Yeah, yeah, and this has been a blast, absolutely,
maybe around two sometime next time we work from career together.
Is there anything that you when we just wrap this
up for your sake, because I'm sure you have other

(01:05:35):
things that you need to get to, anything you want
to promo, anything you want to plug. I always give
my guest an opportunity to like shout out something anyone
people can follow you that kind of stuff. I'll give
you that option to whatever you want. Opt you go
go check out Optio. Free speech.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
I want more, I want more people to care about
free speech. And this is a way that it puts
it puts parlor or anyone uses that as blockchain ahead
of everyone else.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
I hope that places like x or places like true
Social or random social media networks around the world integrate
this technology because I want I want more free More
speech is better than less speech, yes, you know, the
free market of ideas, and I want that to survive
because right now we're just one bad president away or
you know, or one you know, kind of a billionaire

(01:06:21):
away from from some some someone wanting to restrict free speech.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
You know. So that's my plog. Yep, So go ahead
download Parlor, check it out, and yeah, check out Optial.
If you're a crypto investor a business guy, there are
opportunities that you can take part in this movement as well.
And uh well we'll include all those links in the description.
People can find out the white pages and all that
kind of stuff. Well, bro, this has been fun. Thank you.
I've been looking for this for since Miami, Like, thank you. Yes,

(01:06:48):
it's really fun. We talked about a lot of random
stuff today and I know my listeners are gonna love it.
This is how my shows go. They're a little bit
like I like it it's the best kind of show.
It's fun. But anyway, thank you man, and thank you
guys for listening to this episode of The Dillan Englis Show.
Please subscribe like share with a friend. As always, Eric's
stuff will be in the description, so if you want
to follow him, check out his stuff and opt you
on Parlor of Being description as well. Make your Parlor

(01:07:08):
account today. Thank you guys for watching this episode of
The Dylan England Show. Thanks Man,

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