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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I got an email from the CEO of this bank
telling me I had to shut down all my account
because they overheard a conversation me talking on the phone
to one of my friends about crypto.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
They debanked me. I'm rich.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I got rich because I have a beautiful wife, I
have nine kids, I have a beautiful home. I wake
up every morning happy because I don't have an emotional
connection to my Our mission is to empower people. Right
how we're doing it, this is a new paradigm. Nobody
has ever thought this way. Data theft is one of
(00:35):
the biggest industries in the world. From a network perspective,
creating a vast decentralized network creates security. Ultimately, if you
wanted to mess with the data on a blockchain, you
would have to log into thousands of computers at exactly
the same time and in the exact same moment try
to make a change. It's very, very, very secure, and
(00:58):
that's kind of a cool thing to be a part of. Right, So,
like you said, why not why not us?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Why not us?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Today on the Dyllan England Show, we talked to Brian Ferry.
He was a co creator of a blockchain called Optio
and whether you're in a blockchain or not. This is
a perfect podcast for anyone that uses Facebook, x, Instagram,
any social media website. We also talk about what's next
in the social media world and why this blockchain called
Optio might have just changed everything.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Thank you guys so much for coming by. I grab
your cup of coffee. Enjoy this episode of the Dylan
England Show.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I was thinking, though, dude, it's just weird being this
is like weird for me now because because you know,
you and I kind of randomly met an Amfest because
I was going on Amy's show and then someone's like, hey,
you should interview Brian, and then I when I talked
to you, like, I had no clue that, like my life.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Would just be insanely different than it was when I Amfest.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
And then since then, you know, I saw you get
in Miami. Now I'm here at Parlor HQ and Dallas
talking to you again. Yeah, And I just had no
clue when we had that conversation that like we'd be here.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, I would feel the same way. I didn't realize.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's awesome that here.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yeah, it's it's it's just like you said earlier, it's
just crazy how everything works out. And I think what
I was just talking to Yaser about. And I don't
know what episode we're going to put out at this time,
but like the thing that drew me to you and
Yaser and the team.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I've been in sales since twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I know sales, and I know when people are bull crapping, right,
Like I know when people are just saying something to
try to create this hype, this fake what because you
see it an insurance all the time, right, People see
someone that made an insurance and they're just trying to
say whatever it takes to get a sale. But they
don't believe in the product. They don't believe in the project.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And when you were talking, and I because I recently
rewatched the Amfest thing to kind of prep for this conversation, Yeah,
you can since your passion for it, you believe in
what you created. It wasn't this like you didn't create
this because you're like, ooh, money making opportunity. You created
it because you saw a need. Yeah, you're like this
needs to exist and why not me?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
So I kind of wanted to start there today if
you wouldn't mind, I think that's a good starting point,
because I think the best things that are made are
the ones when someone sees something and they're like, this
needs to happen.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So what walk me through?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Start where you want, but walk me through, Like, why
create a blockchain called optio?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Where did that start for you?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Man?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Well, so I spent the last six or seven years
really diving into blockchain and where the technology is going.
It's it evolves really fast, just like all technology, right,
And a couple of years ago, I mean the whole
thing started when the pandemic started and we had this
(03:59):
just absolutely bizarre election cycle, and cancel culture was just
getting ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I went from I've always been a fan, like a
big fan of Bill Maher, and I've always traditionally been
a little bit more conservative than liberal. I fairly liberal
on social issues, and I always watched Bill because he
would always say things that I disagreed with, and I
(04:29):
just loved disagreement. Right, it was during twenty twenty one
twenty two that I realized that Bill is probably one
of the smartest guys in the country.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
He knows how to speak about the real problems that
are going on, and he was against cancel culture, and
so I became an even bigger fan. But it was
during that time that I really started to be concerned
with And when I say concerned, this is stuff that
I think about all day long. Right, It's not you know,
(05:00):
I'm in bed worried about.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It in the shower.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's stuff that that is concerning.
And so you know, if you're going to do anything,
if you're going to do a project, or you're going
to do a company, you should tackle stuff that is broken, right.
And that whole weird combination of what was going on
the the vaccines and the disinformation and misinformation and the
(05:28):
actual information that was getting brushed aside or canceled or whatever.
And you know, I've always said if it's on the internet,
it's true, right, And unfortunately that's what people believe, right
as the joke. Yeah, And it's like now it's you
can't believe anything that anybody says. And so I see
(05:50):
that as a major societal problem. And so when we
first started working on the Optio project, it was we
were motivated to create a way to incentivize people to
behave well, right, and that I think is going to
(06:13):
have a big impact in society and when we say behave, well,
that doesn't mean let's stop the banter. Let's make the
banter more constructive. And because the world is the world
and we are not going to always agree. In fact,
that's exactly why we have protections for freedom and.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
We shouldn't always agree. No, it's a scary place.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, And so I mean, really that was the genesis
of it. I believe that there are opportunities around the
world in many, many ways that blockchain and the ability
to incentivize behavior or choices or even and practices in business.
(07:02):
I believe that that is going to be the next
big thing. You combine what we can do now and
what we're going to be able to do very soon
with artificial intelligence and large language learning models, and even
beyond that, the ability to process information and validate that
it's true or validate that it's correct. I think it'll
(07:24):
impact every industry in the world. And that's kind of
a cool thing to be a part of. Right, So,
like you said, why not why not us?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Why not us?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
And since we last talked, if for the listeners that
are like, what the heck is a blockchain? We talked
about that last time, So you can go listen to
that show if you want more of the like why blockchain,
why parlor? Like why this relationship? Because we already talked
about that. So that is available everywhere, Play TV, YouTube, Spotify,
you can find that episode. I'll link it somewhere in
the description. But since we last talked, you guys made
(07:57):
an acquisition we did with a visd in Yeah, called
edge Cast.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And for my limited brain that I try to process
these these things, and I just talked to Jason a
little bit about the edge Cast and the pull side
for the person that made this thing, Optio and like
being the creator of a blockchain now having something like
edge Cast, could you break down in your mind the
importance of this acquisition, Like why is this such a
big deal?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
There's a number of different ways that it will impact
what we're doing to decentralize the blockchain. I want to
actually talk about that, right. You hear everyone in blockchain
talking about decentralized, decentralized, decentralized, right, And there's all these buzzwords,
just like there was with the Internet in the early days.
(08:44):
You know, it's all these buzzwords, and so let's unpack
what decentralized means. It really means a couple of different things.
If you're talking to one of the engineers, what it
means is that there's no one single point of storage. Right,
We're going to store all this data across this vast
network of nodes. And I don't know about you, but
(09:08):
I didn't go to bed last night worried about that.
That's not a problem, right. However, what it lets you
do is create a secure network that is virtually impossible
to hack. Now, data theft is one of the biggest
industries in the world that doesn't get reported on because
(09:29):
it's nefarious, right, So creating from a network perspective, creating
a vast decentralized network creates security. Ultimately, if you wanted
to mess with the data on a blockchain, you would
have to log into thousands of computers at exactly the
same time and in the exact same moment try to
(09:50):
make a change.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So it's very, very, very secure.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
However, when I talk about decentralized, it's more a about
decentralizing the governance of a project, decentralizing who makes the
decisions in an ecosystem, right, And so when you look
at the evolution of tech cloud hosting, content delivery, access
(10:16):
to account fintech products, and things like that. All of
those systems are centrally controlled, meaning that they're owned and
operated by a company or an organization or whatever, and
those companies organizations they stand as an intermediary between you
(10:39):
and whatever it is. I'll give you an example. I
have most of my career, I have been either on
the East Coast or the West coast, and I've spent
some time in Utah. But I have banked at the
same bank for almost twenty seven years, and it's a
great bank. Little banking in Utah. I think they have
(11:01):
three branches or four branches. And over the years I
built relationships at that bank and to the point where
my personal banker that I had there, I had her
cell phone number. I could call her on Saturday. I
was in Moscow, Russia, once and that my debit cards
wouldn't work. It was a Saturday. I called her. She
(11:23):
got it fixed and she was great. I took her
Christmas presents every year. She was you know, it was awesome.
A couple of years ago, I was in the lobby
of the bank and one of the tellers overheard me
talking on the phone to one of my friends who
(11:44):
is also in crypto, and we were talking about something
that was going on in the market or whatever, and
three days later I got an email from the CEO
of this bank telling me I had to shut down
all my accounts after twenty seven years of banking with
them because they overheard a conversation about crypto. They debanked me.
(12:08):
Why they don't lie crypto? I don't know why. I
have no idea. Well, I have my opinions. Crypto is
a big threat to the banking system, and it doesn't
have to be. But they decided to make an adversarial
(12:30):
relationship with this new decentralized finance. But so my point
that I'm getting at is a centralized bank, meaning and
a very small one. They probably have seven executives right right.
That group of people that felt like they needed to
control my life made one decision that it was a
(12:53):
shit show.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I had to.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You can't even imagine how hard it is to close
down your bank relationship after that long and re establish
new brand banking relationships. You can't even fathom how difficult
that was. And it was just for nothing, like it
was literally dumb. And so when I talk about decentralized.
(13:17):
If you look at these the big tech companies, the
companies that are collecting vast amounts of data, monetizing that data,
and we now found out that they're sharing that data
with foreign governments like it's it's.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
A it's a big problem.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Now, some might say that those companies are doing things
that are, if not illegal, they are nefarious at best. Now,
But are they? I think you and I talked about
this before. Mark Zuckerberg has a fiduciary responsibility, a legal
responsibility to do everything he can to make as much
(13:57):
money as he can for the shareholders. Doesn't do that,
then he gets ousted or in some cases could be
criminally charged, right or something. Yeah, you have a legal responsibility.
So that structure, that centralized structure and centralized governance is
(14:17):
what leads to actions that we might not think are
in the best interest of the people.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I'll give you another example. You and I, we both
I think you still have yours mind is over there.
We both carry cell phones around. So how are those
cell phones powered?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Battery?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
What kind of battery? Cobalt, lithium.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
There's probably some cobalt in there too, but lithium is
the main thing in these batteries they're in cars.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Now, they're just like, how confidently wrong?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I was right there?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Well, so, how difficult is it to mind lithium?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Not easy?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I'm assuming it's actually really easy.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Lithium's everywhere. It's not it's not a it's not a
rare earth metal. It's everywhere. There's a very few lithium mines.
The biggest lithium mines are in Afghanistan and Western China.
And the average age of a lithium minor someone digging
(15:25):
it up about nine. That's the average. So think how
young they go right now? Why is it that corporations
would even stand for that kind of thing?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
It's the same problem.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
They have a legal responsibility to do whatever they can it. Now.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I'm not suggesting that companies do it knowingly.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Of course you wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
But these are the kinds of societal problems that we're
better than that as a people, right, as a as
a population of planet Earth, we're better than that. I
think you've heard me talk about my concerns with clean
water and the food supply and food insecurity. These are
(16:11):
all problems that are easily solved if someone would just
do it. I was listening to our friend Elon the
other day and he was talking about he was actually
having a debate with Bill Maher about climate change, and
he was talking about, you know, Bill Maher was saying,
you know, we have too many people on the planet.
There's an overpopulation.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Problem, Bill Gates. Bill Gates thing.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, and Elon responded with, we don't have an overpopulation problem.
We have plenty of resources to take care of the
people of the planet. We just aren't doing it. And
so for me, if now we circle back to what
is a blockchain and why does it matter? And the
edge cast thing, that's that was your question. This is
(16:54):
a very long way.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
To answer that.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I love long podcasts. We have time.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
We are taking a decentralized approach to everything, decentralized governance,
decentralizing the tech, decentralizing. And the reason that we believe
that that's so important and powerful is it's empowering to
our users, it's empowering to our community, it's empowering to
the enterprise customers that will come into EdgeCast. And we believe,
(17:25):
I would say fundamentally that our mission is to empower people,
empower individuals, and empower the companies that they work for,
and you might ask, well, what's in it for you?
If you know what's why are you putting all your
time into this? Well, the greatest thing that's in it
for me is I'm one of those people. So I
(17:48):
am being empowered as a member of the community. So
it's a it's a completely nuanced and yet very very
important distinction to understand that that's what and why we're
doing this and how we're doing it is this is
a new paradigm. Nobody has ever thought this way. And
(18:10):
if you look at you know, the growth of Ethereum
for example, Ethereum is is a foundation.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It's literally it was given to the world.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Now, did the creators of it make a lot of money, Yeah,
but so did everybody else that got involved, right, And
so it's just a it's just a different way of looking.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
At the world.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
So then I think that the cool part is like,
as this project continues to grow, one of the reasons
why this happened, and when we talk about decentralization, is
the whole parlor being banned from the app store, j
A six thing, blame Bland, all that kind of stuff. Right, Now,
you have an opportunity for an app like Parlor to
(18:51):
be proof of concept that this blockchain works, it functions,
it has utility, it's it does something like we talked
about this in Miami, right Like, it's not just like
a trans actional thing. It's there's actually value here. It's
not a pump and dump. It's not one of those
things where you know, we said, DOJ's cool for Eline
to say it on SNL and it skyrocketed for one second,
everyone makes.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
The money and then way forever.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yeah, So then with this whole like edge cast thing,
I asked, I text you this question.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I was curious about this.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
AWS not on blockchain, not decentralized, and I don't know
what if this is a right question to ask. This
is just me trying to learn and process information. Is
there a version where Optio and the blockchain that Optio
is can compete with AWS when it comes to like,
(19:42):
if there's a company or there's someone with an app
that just wants to be on the chain, Optio is
now or hopefully soon going to be that option for them.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah. Absolutely, it's built.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
We built it in a way that anyone with a
Web two or even a Web three app that wants
to leverage the rewards mechanism, the incentive mechanism. Anyone can
do that. And our whole is that hundreds, if not
thousands of apps will eventually be connected to it. And
(20:17):
that's a great question. But there's an even better question,
and that is why does creating a token or a coin?
How does that benefit the people and benefit the community
and everyone that's involved. And there's a lot of discussion,
and it's pretty much all the discussion when you talk
(20:39):
about crypto. There's a lot of discussion about your ability
to take a token, a coin and sell it for money.
So one of the things that I talk about a lot,
and this is a very nuanced thing. It's something that
you have to think about. I'm not going to say
it and you're just going to go, oh, I get it,
because you got to think about it. What is the
(21:01):
obsession with creating value in something and then trading it
for money, trading it for dollars? Let's say what drives
that obsession? Well, at the end of the day, what
drives our obsession with having money is that's how we
buy things, right, We pay our bills, we buy our car,
(21:23):
That's how we do it. That's the method of exchange.
But that's not the method of creating value. That's just
a method of exchange. The actual creation of value is
I have a car, you want it. We agree on
what it's worth and its value. The value of the
(21:44):
exchange is what matters. Now, what method of value exchange
we use in currently in most cases is a dollar, right,
But that method of exchange is a very very new
concept when you think about the history of humanity.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
We're not training a goat for a chicken. Yeah, it
used to be a lot more bartering and trade.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
But that's something to point out. It was an exchange
of value, not a currency. And what's interesting about currency
exchange is currencies can be manipulated and they often are,
right sure, And if you look at the history of
for example, the dollar, the US dollar, and you go
(22:29):
back to two thousand and eight, which is when bitcoin
was created, it was also the worst crash in our
lifetime in terms of commission, right, And that's why bitcoin
was created. Like financial system looked like it was going
to collapse, so the creators of bitcoin said, hey, we
(22:51):
better have a backup plan.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
But it was created as a currency, and if you
look at how the US dollar was created, very similar
to the way bitcoin was created. Interesting, nobody knows who
created it, right, We call it the FED, the Federal Reserve,
and the Federal Reserve Act is what authorized the creation
of the US dollar. And that wasn't that long ago
(23:16):
that it wasn't in my lifetime, but it was in
my grandpa's lifetime, and so it's not The currency system
hasn't been really tested over time other than it works
so far, right.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
But does it?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Like if you look at back to two thousand and eight,
if you look at the value of a dollar in
two thousand and eight versus the value of bitcoin. When
bitcoin first came out, it was worth zero, and the
US dollar has gone way down in valuecoin and Bitcoin
has gone.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Way up in value. Now.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Part of the reason for that is the macro economics
of the dollar, right. The macroeconomics of the dollar are
I can create as many as I want whenever I want.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Whereas everyone has a finite value of going.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
As a finance finite supply. So when you look at
the really simple basics of supply versus demand, you create
high demand for something with low supply, and the money
the value of it goes up and the US dollar
is just exactly opposite of that. And so when you
take a step back from that and you look at
(24:30):
the method of exchanging value, right, I could exchange value
with you if you had uh, you will go back
to the car. If I if you had a car
that I wanted and I had a house that you wanted,
and we felt like that that was the value age,
then we could do that.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
And so when we introduced this idea of a new currency,
you have to look at how how can that exchange
value occur?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Now?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I have argued that we human beings have We create
a lot of value just by being alive, sure, and
just by living our day to day life. And what
I mean by that is if you get up every
single morning and go to Starbucks and get a coffee,
and I know that, and I'm working with Starbucks, I
(25:25):
can use that information to make Starbucks more profitable, right
because I can drop offers to you, I can sell
to you whatever it might be.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
So the fact that you do something habitually is that
just that piece of data is valuable. Now, if you
go to the same Starbucks every morning, the same coffeehouse,
and you pass by ten other stores, you know, maybe
a Walgreens or whatever. I can use that data to
(25:55):
make those companies more efficient and more profitable. But you're
a to access that value that you're creating. You don't
have the ability to access that value, mainly because they
want to sell to you, right. But if you had
the ability to access that value creation, then I might
(26:19):
have something that you want, and you have this valuable thing,
your thoughts, feelings, emotions, fears and desires and all of
those things, and I could find a way to exchange
that value with you. Now you've got something that's really interesting.
Now we all create this valuable data, and all of
these other organizations are able to tap into that because
(26:42):
we have voluntarily given them tools to do that. Right
when you buy a Tesla car, everybody thinks Tesla is
a car company. Tesla is a data company. They monetize data,
and they use data in order to create more value.
And so when we look at put optio aside for
(27:04):
a second, and I've said this before, the value that
human beings create by being alive is the most valuable
thing on earth. Because if we both didn't agree, for example,
that gold or silver was worth something valuable. If we
weren't here, it wouldn't be right, it would be worthless.
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It would be another rock, oil would be another mud.
And so we create the value in everything that exists.
So if you can find a way to allow people
to access that value and own it, own that value,
and be able to exchange that value, now you've created
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something really amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
And now we just circle back to the reason why
tokens matter.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Correct and tokens done correctly inject value into the system. Tokens,
like part coin, I don't create value. They create price,
but they don't create value. I used to do a
lot of sales training, and when I would do my
sales training, I would focus on the creation of value
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because no one no one buy something because it costs something.
They buy something because they see a value in it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
So, if I'm a car salesman and you come in
and we're talking cars, it's my job to determine what
you value, and then it's my job to show you
how the price of this car is less than how
much you value it. I'll tell you an example, a story.
I've repeated this story in sales training one hundred times.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
In twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I moved my little family back to Utah, and I
had been living in southern California, and so the car
that I had in Southern California was very different than
the car that I want it in Utah, because in
Utah I value a truck with a six inch lift
in big ass tires right. And so I went to
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a show like an outdoor show, and Toyota had a
booth and they had this truck in the booth that
was exactly what I wanted, the same color, the same
lift kit, the same tires, everything. But they couldn't sell
it at the show. They said, you're gonna have to
go to the dealer and talk to the dealer. So
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I took a picture of the truck and I went
to the dealer and just down the street from my house,
and I walked in and a sales guy came up
to me and said, would you like some help? And
I said, yes, I want this exactly like that. That's
what I want. And he said, well, let me see
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what I got, and he went in the back and
came out and he said he found one that was
the right car. It didn't have the right tires, it
didn't have the right lift, kit, and he said, but
I can put all of that stuff on it. And
I said, great, give me the finance guy. I'm ready
to do it. And he goes, don't you want to
test drive it? I said, did I say I wanted
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to test drive it? I don't need to drive it.
He goes, well, do you want to know what motor
it has in it? And I said, it's got one, right.
So he was going down all of these pathways to
things that I didn't value as much as he thought
that I should value them. He almost lost the deal.
I was like, dude, I don't want to sit here
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and talk to you. I want that truck, and I
want it by Friday and so. And the reason I
tell this story is when you look at tokenomics and
you look at crypto exchanges and cryptocurrencies, there's always this
talk of Like you go in any of the telegram channels,
there's always this talk of the price is fluctuating, it's
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it's hyper volatile, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Oh my god, it went down today.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
And I am fascinated by that conversation because what you
should be talking about, I think, is what value can
I get out of the crypto that I have? Not
how can I sell it for a dollar right or
sell it for ten cents or whatever? Because what are
you going to do with that? So, for example, let's
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say that the optiotoken price was five cents today and
you decided to sell all your tokens. I don't know
what you'd get because I don't know how much you have.
But well, let's say you got fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, and you are so what are you going to
do with that? Are you going to go spend it? Like?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Have you got something in mind that you'd like to
go spend fifty thousand dollars on? Most people don't, but
they move it, you know, they sell it, and then
they now they have all these dollars. And let's say
that you just decide, you know, I'm really glad I
got those dollars. I'm just gonna put those in the bank. Sure,
ten years from now they'll be worth less than the
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ten cents that you sold it for. So the idea
when you get into crypto should not be how do
I sell it?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
It should be how do I use it?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
How can I get extract value out of it without
converting it to dollars that continue to go down in value.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Sure, right, And so then, as as I guess, there's
gonna be two groups of people that watch this. You're
gonna have the optial community, people they're already in, they
believe in the project, and then you're gonna have the
majority audience that's like maybe they know some about crypto,
or maybe this was their first kind of like crypto conversation.
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They've been a fly on the wall for for people
that want to know more, follow more. You have a podcast,
I do, and it's a good one.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I enjoy you.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, you have the stamp of approval by the Dillan English.
I know it's what you really wanted. You came here
dying for that. So where can people get more information?
So where's your show? Like my shows aren't.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, my show is broadcast on PlayTV. I think it's
on YouTube too. I don't even know, to be honest, my.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Team does all of that for sure on PlayTV.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I know it's on PlayTV.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
And I would also say I'm not the only guy
you should listen to when talking about crypto.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I'm not a trader. I don't do a lot of trading.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Just this last week I thought to myself, why you
talk crypto, cryptocrypto, but why aren't you a like, why
don't you trade crypto? So I did buy some crypto
this week for the first time ever. It's the first
time I've ever bought crypto. Really, Yeah, I've been doing
this seven years, six seven years, and that's the first
time I've ever actually.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Looked at it.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Shows the focus on your project kind of well.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
And I believe it's smarter to earn it than to
buy it, right. So I run a lot of nodes
across a lot of different networks, and so I earn
a lot of crypto, but I don't I've never bought it.
Like all the crypto went on sale a couple of
days ago, so I bought some. I think the best
way to learn about crypto is to join a vibrant
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community that is talking about it in the right way.
Happened to no one. You don't have to join our community,
but we do. I think we have a different approach
to it. Before I started working on this project, I've
always been fascinated with natural health, and I think, yeah,
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you and I talked about that, and I spent about
six years doing learning how to be a coach, how
to be a life coach, and when it's gone through
that process, I learned a lot about our emotions and
how our emotions work. Right, most of us, and especially men,
most of us don't have any clue how our emotions
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actually work. Because of that, our emotions control a lot
of what we do, whether we are angry at someone
or we have a disagreement with someone, and the way
that we think about it and the way our emotions
respond to it is usually out of our control. I
think it's one of the travesties of life because if
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you actually control your emotions, then you get the outcome
that you want as opposed to the random outcome. We
even have words, we even have sayings for it, like
you know, shit happens for a reason, like well, yeah,
you're the reason, right, And.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
So that's how I would coach people.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
And the reason I bring that up now is we
have a bizarre I think bizarre emotional connection and emotional
attachment to money. And because of that, the the most
destructive force in the universe is fear. The most creative
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force in the universe is faith. So when you have
faith in a project, you create value, and it creates value.
When you have fear the value goes away, right, So
I think if you're going to try to learn about crypto,
you should be very careful about the sources that you
go to to learn from because there's a lot of
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gamesmanship in the industry and there's a lot of tokens
that rely one hundred percent on hype yep so, And.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
I think that's an interesting thing just to add a
little context, because I've done enough deep dive in the
crypto community that I know what some red flags are.
And generally, when it's always about money, it's always about
getting rich, it's always about run away, whereas, at least
in this community and others, it's about the value it's creating.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
So the excitement.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
And I've heard a couple of your your stories and
talks and things, and I've been in and out of
meetings and stuff and talking with Yaser and the company
and everyone else that I've met. It's not no one
ever says and this is like when I clipped this
and make sure I get the full context of what
I'm about to say, no one ever says you will
get rich off of this token ever, it never comes
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out obviously legal. But also because like the exciting thing
is what this does. It's the utility. That's what the
hype is. Not in Oh look the number is going
up on you know Couin Gecko. Yeah, the hype is like, guys,
we just got edge cast. The hype is like we
just and that's the that's the difference.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, and I would say too. I was having a
conversation last night. We had a dinner event.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
You were there.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Somebody was talking to me and I don't remember who
it was, and they asked me, you know, what's in
it for you? Like, what's your you know, what's your
exit strategy or what's you know? How do you benefit?
And my response was I already got it. I already
got everything that I expected to get out of it.
And they were like, oh wow, how did you do
that right? I said, well, because I'm rich. It was
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a lady. She goes, so did you get rich with
this token project? I said, no, I got rich because
I have a beautiful wife, I have nine kids, I
have a beautiful home. I wake up every morning happy.
And she was just dumbfounded. She's like, how could you
be all those things and not have lots of money?
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And I said, because I don't have an emotional connection
to money, and I get it.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
It's really really hard.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I got bills, I got first set down. I was like, hey,
what's stressing you out? What'd you say?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
I don't have stress. I don't get stressed.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
And part of the reason why is because I know
I've trained my mind how to process situations that I
come into. You know, there's a great book called Becoming Supernatural.
I recommend it to everyone on the planet Earth. In
this book, neuroscientist talks about this cycle that we go through.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
He calls it thinking and feeling and thinking and feeling
and thinking and feeling.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Most of us woke up this morning on the same
side of the bed, and we had the first thought
in our mind, and it was exactly the same as
the first thought we had yesterday morning.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I have to pee, whatever it is. Whatever that thought
is morning, Yeah, whatever the.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Thought is, though.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
But when you have that thought, every thought that you
have triggers an emotional response. And if that emotional response,
let's say you wake up in the morning and you say,
I have to pee. If that emotional response is and
I gotta do it.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Fast, that's fear, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Then that emotion is going to trigger an action, and
that action is going to trigger a result. Right now,
if you wake up every morning and go, man, I
hate my job. But if that's the same thought that
you had yesterday, and here's the same emotion that you
had yesterday, which triggers the same action that you did yesterday,
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which triggers the same result that you got yesterday, then
you're not even living today.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
You're living yesterday.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
And the only way you can actually grow and change
and become happy and rich is to change the way
you think and feel about things.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
So if I wake up every morning I go freak,
I gotta.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I gotta do all this stuff, and that triggers an
emotional reaction, then my actions are going to be the same,
and my result is going to be the same. So
the reason you don't hear us talking about you're gonna
get rich in this project is you're gonna get rich
when you change your mind.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
We have all kinds of people that are always talking
about when's it going to hit this price or when's
it gonna do it? And it's like that emotional response,
and that emotional reaction is what's keeping it where it is.
It's that that fear or that emotional connection. And you know,
I don't know when I was able to do it.
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It's probably in the last seven or eight years where
I just said, I'm not going to have a stress
response to money about anything. And I've had ups and
downs in my career. There's been times when I was like, Hell,
I don't know how I'm going to do this, you know,
but that's that's the ebb and flow of life. And
if you have an emotional reaction to it every time.
Then the same guy wrote another book called Breaking the
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Habit of Being Yourself. And we pretty much go through
life in an habitual way. We have the same you know,
coffee every morning and we say the same things. And
you know, you you habitually say to your wife, I
love you, have a great day. And the I love
you have a great day is a habit, not a feeling.
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It's a habit, not an emotion. And so you get
to the point in life where I say I love you,
you say you love me back. Now you're just being
You're just you, just fulfilling the habit. It's not you're
not becoming closer and more emotionally connected because you're just
doing You're just doing the thing checking the boxes.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Now, this is a.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Bizarre way to talk about cryptocurrency, but no, I love it.
But the connection to the idea that I'm going to
buy this crypto and it's going to become worth a
lot more and then I'll be able to sell it
and get rich, that emotional triad is what is preventing
you from making solid choices about when to sell and
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when not to sell.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
And so people treat crypto much the same way that
they treat the machines and the casino. When it goes
ding ding ding ding ding, they go, ah, it's exciting,
and I'm going to sell and take my I.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Mean, it's it's the same concept.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
It's funny you mentioned about like living for you know,
yesterday because I literally had a conversation with my wife
this weekend about because I'm an entrepreneur, I do sales
and since COVID it has been very tough on us.
Some good months, some bad months, but there's not been
a month in four years where I haven't been stressed
about making payroll for the staff. It hasn't existed like
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we haven't had And I'm very open on this podcast.
My listeners know, like there just hasn't been a month
and four years that has not been stressful.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Financially.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
I make okay money, but all of it pours right
back to the business. So like England family, Oh we're poor.
Oh yeah, it was terrible business.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
We're doing okay. My employees are loaded. Dude.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
I've found myself. I think this is the lesson I've learned.
I think this is what God was trying to teach me.
Is I found myself always like being like one day
I'm going to have an emergency fund and one day
I'm gonna and I like, and that's what I'm going
to be excited. Meanwhile, my daughter's too, I'm about ready
to have my second kid, and I was just as
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you know, again, we're okay, but we're not like thrive.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
I'm not driving.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
I have a twenty ten Ford focus, right or whatever,
But like who cares my daughters too? I spent two
years of her life searching for me to have enough
in the funds for me to maybe do this podcast
for whatever, right, plus two years life gone by. My
son's gonna be born next month, right, Like I know,
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we're not really talking crypto here, We're talking more philosophy,
which is fine, but like.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
But it's this same philosophy that you should use in
any endeavor, right, not not just in crypto, but any endeavor.
I'm gonna let you finish and then I'm gonna show
you how to fix it.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Okay, So the idea of living and enjoying the day
and focusing the priorities on what matter, because at the
end of the day, I should be just as happy
and a hundred thousand dollars home that's eight hundred square
feet in Lincoln Park, Michigan, with my healthy family, wife
and kids, then I should be just as happy, and
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I will be just as happy there. Then if these
things take off and I happen to have a high
number in a bank account. And so that's what I've
been really working on, is not letting the stress of
bills and stress of these things. And obviously, like stress
can encourage harder work or whatever, but like, really, I'm
just like I want to enjoy the good gifts that
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God has given me, regardless of the income of my
bank account. Funny you mentioned literally I just had my
website about that.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
You just we could play it back, and I took
mental notes as you were as you were journeying down
that path of self unempowerment.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Right. And I want to point out a couple of things.
And the reason I do this is.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Because I believe that the words that we say with
our mouth create the reality that we live in. Just
like God, God was the Word, and word was God.
The words that we use are our creative power. That's
how we create the reality that we live in. And
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you said a couple of words that I want to
point out. One of the words that you said was
I should be happy here as if I was also
going to be happy in this other place.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
And you've heard a million times that money doesn't buy happiness,
But but you don't believe that, right. You absolutely believe
if I had a lot more money, I'd be a
lot A lot everyone does.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
So the first word is should. And then the second
thing that you said and I took note of, is
in four years, there hasn't been a month where I
didn't worry out about payroll.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Right?
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Has there been a month that you missed it for myself?
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yes? Not for my employee?
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Okay? And were you more worried about your staff or
more worried about you? Oh? Staff.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah, And so this is what I want to point out. Worry, fear, doubt,
lack of abundance mindset created a reality of four years
of that because the reality, the actual reality, never came
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to pass. The reality that you envisioned in your mind
never came to pass. And isn't it interesting that in
scripture and in our conversations we talk about and it
came to pass.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Sure, everything that.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
We go through in life came to pass us by.
It's like we're just passing through things, right. So this
is where I go back to that emotional attachment to money. Now,
I'm going to tell you a couple things that you
might already know. But our brain, the way our brain
works is we have a lot of different systems in
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our brain. You know, the hypothalmus and all these different systems.
But you can oversimplify how the brain works by talking
about two systems. The limbic brain, which is the kind
of the core of your brain, and then the neocortex.
The neocortex is the outer layer of your brain. They
call it the neocortex or the new cortex because it's
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the most recent evolution of our brain. Right, It's the
newest part of our brain, And there's some interesting things
to understand about those two systems. The first is the
limbic part of your brain is where all your emotions
are generated from. That's where your emotions happen. The neocortex
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part of your brain is a difference engine. It understands
the difference between light and dark and up and down.
It's like a computer. It processes data. Right, the neocortex
has the capacity to formulate and conjugate and understand words.
The limbic brain has no capacity for language. So, for example,
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if you have a neocortical stroke and part of your
neocortex is damaged, you know exactly what you want to say,
but you can't say it because you don't have the capacity.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
To access the words.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Okay, Now, when you say words and you attach them
to emotions, those things, those thoughts, become habits.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
They are your reality.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
So if you look back on those four years and
you say I was constantly thinking about and emotionally reacting
to the lack of money, then what you actually created
was the lack of money because your thoughts and your
emotions combined to create this reality of a lack of right.
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So I would suggest that you never use the word should, ever,
because should is the biggest excuse or the biggest reason
we don't achieve what we actually want, because we say
things like I should feel better, or I should be happier,
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or I should hire this person, or I should right,
And all that's doing is making it so you don't
have to decide to do something else, because you can
easily say, well, I should have done that, right. So
that's another word decision. What does the word decision mean?
We say it all the time, but what does it
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actually mean. When you make a decision, you are cutting
off every other possibility because we live in a universe
of infinite possibilities.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Right, it's like the final choice.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
That's right, and when you decide, you cut off all
other possibilities. Now, most of us go through life thinking
that we've made decisions, but we're actually making incisions. We're
just we're leaving a little bit of possibility there. Right,
when you got married, did you cut off all possibilities
that you would ever be with someone else?
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Then you then you made a decision.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
But there's a lot of people that get married and
the are like, if it doesn't work out, we'll just
get divorced, right, And guess how many of those get divorced.
Almost because you've left that as a possibility, and so
when you make an actual decision, there's no other possibility
that could exist for that particular thing. And that's when
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we make the infinite possibilities become definite possibilities. They become definite.
So the biggest problem that we have is making a decision, right,
And so you might have said, I'm going to make
a decision to not feel.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
This way about my situation.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Okay, that's impossible because if the situation is that, your
emotional reaction to it is going to be that. Right,
So what you have to do is, I'm going to
make a decision to not think that thought anymore, because
the thought is what triggers the emotion. Right, So if
you suddenly stop using that language and allowing the thoughts
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in your mind to be that way, then you've made
a decision. You've cut off all the possibilities that there's
not going to be enough money. That's how we manifest
in reality. I think it's fun to include this in
this part of the show. But now take that and
think about your investments, your crypto, your car, your you
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know whatever, how you are emotionally connected to all of
those things dictates.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
The reality of the outcome. The dictates the reality the outcome.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
So I would encourage everyone to recognize that what we're
doing when we talk about free speech and parlor and
all of these different platforms that we're putting out to
the world, what we're doing is and how we're actually
going to benefit them is we're empowered them to think different, right,
or empowering them to be different. And at the end
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of the day, if they think different and they are different,
they'll get a different outcome. So we talk a lot
about I'm getting crypto and I'm gonna be able to
sell it and da da da da. But the reality
is what you're getting is freedom, right because I can
send you crypto and I don't need permission from the
bank that kicked me out of the bank, right, right,
This is.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
More than that. I appreciate that a lot.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
And I think it's also the difference of like Yaser
came on and it was such a good episode, and
it's a difference of having like a future focus and
a past focus too, because I think you can definitely
learn from the past. And my history teacher always to
say those who don't learn from history are destined to
repeat it. So I think there's value in looking learning
lessons from the past, but living there, you keep making
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your past your present. And if you stay in your past,
then it just becomes where you stay. In a way,
what you're saying obviously in the Crypto project, and then
in my life and in everything else, right, like the
ability to be content where you're at, but look forward
and not just being so wrapped up in Yeah, just
because I've experienced things that have been hard in the
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past doesn't mean this is where things need to stay either.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:12):
I think sometimes you can have this like defeatist attitude
of like, this is just my life, this is where
I'm at. You know, it's just it's going to be hard,
and you just stay there and wallow and just stupid unneeded.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
I would suggest that there's another way to look at that,
And I agree we should learn from the past, but
I think we should learn from the past of others,
not from our own past. But another way to look
at it is time is forward and backward. Don't think
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of it that way. Don't think about my past and
don't think about my future. Just think about today, because
Today is the only day you get to live and
take action. You can't live yesterday and take action.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
Yes, we're talking a lot about focus, like you can't
focus Tomorrow's focus, you can only focus today is today?
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yeah, just today.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4 (55:14):
I love our conversations every time I get the chat,
They're like, they're fun and you have a knowledge about
stuff I don't know anything about. But then also it's
just your fun person to talk to. So I appreciate
that a lot for those listening because I'm going to
wrap this up because I think you have a meeting
and my guess is we're getting close to.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
That meeting time.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (55:33):
Yeah, People go to play TV see the optio podcast
that you have going on optio dot community. I think
it's the website something like that dot com right, optio
dot community, updio dock community.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Okay, there's the website. You can read up some there.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
You can obviously follow my show because we're going to
have updates I'm sure throughout the week. Is there anything
that any nugget or anything that you'd want to leave
the listeners as far as like things that are upcoming
or things that are exciting you on the project. Maybe
I'm not asking you to like give some big thing,
but like, is there anything coming up that you're like, Hey,
we haven't really talked about this, this is there's some
exciting things coming Yeah, we're OPTI what excts you right now?
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Well, we have a lot of stuff that's going on
and all of it excites me. But one thing you
should check out is the conference that we're doing in November.
You can find that at cryptocruise dot com. I think
it's a crypt I'll put in the description. Yeah, but
love to have you on the cruise. We're gonna have
some amazing workshops, some amazing speakers, and some amazing fun times.
(56:32):
So if you want to learn about crypto, that's going
to be a great place to do it, all.
Speaker 4 (56:36):
Right, So I'll put the link in the description for
everything that you guys even know. Thank you, Brian, I
appreciate a lot.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
Thank thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (56:43):
Thank you guys for watching this episode of The Dylan
England Show. Make sure you subscribe, like share with your friends.
Appreciate you guys a lot, Love you guys, see you
on the next episode.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
Thanks
I got an email from the CEO of this bank
telling me I had to shut down all my account
because they overheard a conversation me talking on the phone
to one of my friends about crypto.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
They debanked me. I'm rich.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I got rich because I have a beautiful wife, I
have nine kids, I have a beautiful home. I wake
up every morning happy because I don't have an emotional
connection to my Our mission is to empower people. Right
how we're doing it, this is a new paradigm. Nobody
has ever thought this way. Data theft is one of
(00:35):
the biggest industries in the world. From a network perspective,
creating a vast decentralized network creates security. Ultimately, if you
wanted to mess with the data on a blockchain, you
would have to log into thousands of computers at exactly
the same time and in the exact same moment try
to make a change. It's very, very, very secure, and
(00:58):
that's kind of a cool thing to be a part of. Right, So,
like you said, why not why not us?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Why not us?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Today on the Dyllan England Show, we talked to Brian Ferry.
He was a co creator of a blockchain called Optio
and whether you're in a blockchain or not. This is
a perfect podcast for anyone that uses Facebook, x, Instagram,
any social media website. We also talk about what's next
in the social media world and why this blockchain called
Optio might have just changed everything.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Thank you guys so much for coming by. I grab
your cup of coffee. Enjoy this episode of the Dylan
England Show.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I was thinking, though, dude, it's just weird being this
is like weird for me now because because you know,
you and I kind of randomly met an Amfest because
I was going on Amy's show and then someone's like, hey,
you should interview Brian, and then I when I talked
to you, like, I had no clue that, like my life.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Would just be insanely different than it was when I Amfest.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
And then since then, you know, I saw you get
in Miami. Now I'm here at Parlor HQ and Dallas
talking to you again. Yeah, And I just had no
clue when we had that conversation that like we'd be here.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, I would feel the same way. I didn't realize.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's awesome that here.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yeah, it's it's it's just like you said earlier, it's
just crazy how everything works out. And I think what
I was just talking to Yaser about. And I don't
know what episode we're going to put out at this time,
but like the thing that drew me to you and
Yaser and the team.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I've been in sales since twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I know sales, and I know when people are bull crapping, right,
Like I know when people are just saying something to
try to create this hype, this fake what because you
see it an insurance all the time, right, People see
someone that made an insurance and they're just trying to
say whatever it takes to get a sale. But they
don't believe in the product. They don't believe in the project.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And when you were talking, and I because I recently
rewatched the Amfest thing to kind of prep for this conversation, Yeah,
you can since your passion for it, you believe in
what you created. It wasn't this like you didn't create
this because you're like, ooh, money making opportunity. You created
it because you saw a need. Yeah, you're like this
needs to exist and why not me?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
So I kind of wanted to start there today if
you wouldn't mind, I think that's a good starting point,
because I think the best things that are made are
the ones when someone sees something and they're like, this
needs to happen.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So what walk me through?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Start where you want, but walk me through, Like, why
create a blockchain called optio?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Where did that start for you?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Man?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Well, so I spent the last six or seven years
really diving into blockchain and where the technology is going.
It's it evolves really fast, just like all technology, right,
And a couple of years ago, I mean the whole
thing started when the pandemic started and we had this
(03:59):
just absolutely bizarre election cycle, and cancel culture was just
getting ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I went from I've always been a fan, like a
big fan of Bill Maher, and I've always traditionally been
a little bit more conservative than liberal. I fairly liberal
on social issues, and I always watched Bill because he
would always say things that I disagreed with, and I
(04:29):
just loved disagreement. Right, it was during twenty twenty one
twenty two that I realized that Bill is probably one
of the smartest guys in the country.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
He knows how to speak about the real problems that
are going on, and he was against cancel culture, and
so I became an even bigger fan. But it was
during that time that I really started to be concerned
with And when I say concerned, this is stuff that
I think about all day long. Right, It's not you know,
(05:00):
I'm in bed worried about.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It in the shower.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's stuff that that is concerning.
And so you know, if you're going to do anything,
if you're going to do a project, or you're going
to do a company, you should tackle stuff that is broken, right.
And that whole weird combination of what was going on
the the vaccines and the disinformation and misinformation and the
(05:28):
actual information that was getting brushed aside or canceled or whatever.
And you know, I've always said if it's on the internet,
it's true, right, And unfortunately that's what people believe, right
as the joke. Yeah, And it's like now it's you
can't believe anything that anybody says. And so I see
(05:50):
that as a major societal problem. And so when we
first started working on the Optio project, it was we
were motivated to create a way to incentivize people to
behave well, right, and that I think is going to
(06:13):
have a big impact in society and when we say behave, well,
that doesn't mean let's stop the banter. Let's make the
banter more constructive. And because the world is the world
and we are not going to always agree. In fact,
that's exactly why we have protections for freedom and.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
We shouldn't always agree. No, it's a scary place.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, And so I mean, really that was the genesis
of it. I believe that there are opportunities around the
world in many, many ways that blockchain and the ability
to incentivize behavior or choices or even and practices in business.
(07:02):
I believe that that is going to be the next
big thing. You combine what we can do now and
what we're going to be able to do very soon
with artificial intelligence and large language learning models, and even
beyond that, the ability to process information and validate that
it's true or validate that it's correct. I think it'll
(07:24):
impact every industry in the world. And that's kind of
a cool thing to be a part of. Right, So,
like you said, why not why not us?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Why not us?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
And since we last talked, if for the listeners that
are like, what the heck is a blockchain? We talked
about that last time, So you can go listen to
that show if you want more of the like why blockchain,
why parlor? Like why this relationship? Because we already talked
about that. So that is available everywhere, Play TV, YouTube, Spotify,
you can find that episode. I'll link it somewhere in
the description. But since we last talked, you guys made
(07:57):
an acquisition we did with a visd in Yeah, called
edge Cast.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And for my limited brain that I try to process
these these things, and I just talked to Jason a
little bit about the edge Cast and the pull side
for the person that made this thing, Optio and like
being the creator of a blockchain now having something like
edge Cast, could you break down in your mind the
importance of this acquisition, Like why is this such a
big deal?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
There's a number of different ways that it will impact
what we're doing to decentralize the blockchain. I want to
actually talk about that, right. You hear everyone in blockchain
talking about decentralized, decentralized, decentralized, right, And there's all these buzzwords,
just like there was with the Internet in the early days.
(08:44):
You know, it's all these buzzwords, and so let's unpack
what decentralized means. It really means a couple of different things.
If you're talking to one of the engineers, what it
means is that there's no one single point of storage. Right,
We're going to store all this data across this vast
network of nodes. And I don't know about you, but
(09:08):
I didn't go to bed last night worried about that.
That's not a problem, right. However, what it lets you
do is create a secure network that is virtually impossible
to hack. Now, data theft is one of the biggest
industries in the world that doesn't get reported on because
(09:29):
it's nefarious, right, So creating from a network perspective, creating
a vast decentralized network creates security. Ultimately, if you wanted
to mess with the data on a blockchain, you would
have to log into thousands of computers at exactly the
same time and in the exact same moment try to
(09:50):
make a change.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So it's very, very, very secure.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
However, when I talk about decentralized, it's more a about
decentralizing the governance of a project, decentralizing who makes the
decisions in an ecosystem, right, And so when you look
at the evolution of tech cloud hosting, content delivery, access
(10:16):
to account fintech products, and things like that. All of
those systems are centrally controlled, meaning that they're owned and
operated by a company or an organization or whatever, and
those companies organizations they stand as an intermediary between you
(10:39):
and whatever it is. I'll give you an example. I
have most of my career, I have been either on
the East Coast or the West coast, and I've spent
some time in Utah. But I have banked at the
same bank for almost twenty seven years, and it's a
great bank. Little banking in Utah. I think they have
(11:01):
three branches or four branches. And over the years I
built relationships at that bank and to the point where
my personal banker that I had there, I had her
cell phone number. I could call her on Saturday. I
was in Moscow, Russia, once and that my debit cards
wouldn't work. It was a Saturday. I called her. She
(11:23):
got it fixed and she was great. I took her
Christmas presents every year. She was you know, it was awesome.
A couple of years ago, I was in the lobby
of the bank and one of the tellers overheard me
talking on the phone to one of my friends who
(11:44):
is also in crypto, and we were talking about something
that was going on in the market or whatever, and
three days later I got an email from the CEO
of this bank telling me I had to shut down
all my accounts after twenty seven years of banking with
them because they overheard a conversation about crypto. They debanked me.
(12:08):
Why they don't lie crypto? I don't know why. I
have no idea. Well, I have my opinions. Crypto is
a big threat to the banking system, and it doesn't
have to be. But they decided to make an adversarial
(12:30):
relationship with this new decentralized finance. But so my point
that I'm getting at is a centralized bank, meaning and
a very small one. They probably have seven executives right right.
That group of people that felt like they needed to
control my life made one decision that it was a
(12:53):
shit show.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I had to.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You can't even imagine how hard it is to close
down your bank relationship after that long and re establish
new brand banking relationships. You can't even fathom how difficult
that was. And it was just for nothing, like it
was literally dumb. And so when I talk about decentralized.
(13:17):
If you look at these the big tech companies, the
companies that are collecting vast amounts of data, monetizing that data,
and we now found out that they're sharing that data
with foreign governments like it's it's.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
A it's a big problem.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Now, some might say that those companies are doing things
that are, if not illegal, they are nefarious at best. Now,
But are they? I think you and I talked about
this before. Mark Zuckerberg has a fiduciary responsibility, a legal
responsibility to do everything he can to make as much
(13:57):
money as he can for the shareholders. Doesn't do that,
then he gets ousted or in some cases could be
criminally charged, right or something. Yeah, you have a legal responsibility.
So that structure, that centralized structure and centralized governance is
(14:17):
what leads to actions that we might not think are
in the best interest of the people.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I'll give you another example. You and I, we both
I think you still have yours mind is over there.
We both carry cell phones around. So how are those
cell phones powered?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Battery?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
What kind of battery? Cobalt, lithium.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
There's probably some cobalt in there too, but lithium is
the main thing in these batteries they're in cars.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Now, they're just like, how confidently wrong?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I was right there?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Well, so, how difficult is it to mind lithium?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Not easy?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I'm assuming it's actually really easy.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Lithium's everywhere. It's not it's not a it's not a
rare earth metal. It's everywhere. There's a very few lithium mines.
The biggest lithium mines are in Afghanistan and Western China.
And the average age of a lithium minor someone digging
(15:25):
it up about nine. That's the average. So think how
young they go right now? Why is it that corporations
would even stand for that kind of thing?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
It's the same problem.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
They have a legal responsibility to do whatever they can it. Now.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I'm not suggesting that companies do it knowingly.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Of course you wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
But these are the kinds of societal problems that we're
better than that as a people, right, as a as
a population of planet Earth, we're better than that. I
think you've heard me talk about my concerns with clean
water and the food supply and food insecurity. These are
(16:11):
all problems that are easily solved if someone would just
do it. I was listening to our friend Elon the
other day and he was talking about he was actually
having a debate with Bill Maher about climate change, and
he was talking about, you know, Bill Maher was saying,
you know, we have too many people on the planet.
There's an overpopulation.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Problem, Bill Gates. Bill Gates thing.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, and Elon responded with, we don't have an overpopulation problem.
We have plenty of resources to take care of the
people of the planet. We just aren't doing it. And
so for me, if now we circle back to what
is a blockchain and why does it matter? And the
edge cast thing, that's that was your question. This is
(16:54):
a very long way.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
To answer that.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I love long podcasts. We have time.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
We are taking a decentralized approach to everything, decentralized governance,
decentralizing the tech, decentralizing. And the reason that we believe
that that's so important and powerful is it's empowering to
our users, it's empowering to our community, it's empowering to
the enterprise customers that will come into EdgeCast. And we believe,
(17:25):
I would say fundamentally that our mission is to empower people,
empower individuals, and empower the companies that they work for,
and you might ask, well, what's in it for you?
If you know what's why are you putting all your
time into this? Well, the greatest thing that's in it
for me is I'm one of those people. So I
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am being empowered as a member of the community. So
it's a it's a completely nuanced and yet very very
important distinction to understand that that's what and why we're
doing this and how we're doing it is this is
a new paradigm. Nobody has ever thought this way. And
(18:10):
if you look at you know, the growth of Ethereum
for example, Ethereum is is a foundation.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It's literally it was given to the world.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Now, did the creators of it make a lot of money, Yeah,
but so did everybody else that got involved, right, And
so it's just a it's just a different way of looking.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
At the world.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
So then I think that the cool part is like,
as this project continues to grow, one of the reasons
why this happened, and when we talk about decentralization, is
the whole parlor being banned from the app store, j
A six thing, blame Bland, all that kind of stuff. Right, Now,
you have an opportunity for an app like Parlor to
(18:51):
be proof of concept that this blockchain works, it functions,
it has utility, it's it does something like we talked
about this in Miami, right Like, it's not just like
a trans actional thing. It's there's actually value here. It's
not a pump and dump. It's not one of those
things where you know, we said, DOJ's cool for Eline
to say it on SNL and it skyrocketed for one second,
everyone makes.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
The money and then way forever.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yeah, So then with this whole like edge cast thing,
I asked, I text you this question.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I was curious about this.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
AWS not on blockchain, not decentralized, and I don't know
what if this is a right question to ask. This
is just me trying to learn and process information. Is
there a version where Optio and the blockchain that Optio
is can compete with AWS when it comes to like,
(19:42):
if there's a company or there's someone with an app
that just wants to be on the chain, Optio is
now or hopefully soon going to be that option for them.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah. Absolutely, it's built.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
We built it in a way that anyone with a
Web two or even a Web three app that wants
to leverage the rewards mechanism, the incentive mechanism. Anyone can
do that. And our whole is that hundreds, if not
thousands of apps will eventually be connected to it. And
(20:17):
that's a great question. But there's an even better question,
and that is why does creating a token or a coin?
How does that benefit the people and benefit the community
and everyone that's involved. And there's a lot of discussion,
and it's pretty much all the discussion when you talk
(20:39):
about crypto. There's a lot of discussion about your ability
to take a token, a coin and sell it for money.
So one of the things that I talk about a lot,
and this is a very nuanced thing. It's something that
you have to think about. I'm not going to say
it and you're just going to go, oh, I get it,
because you got to think about it. What is the
(21:01):
obsession with creating value in something and then trading it
for money, trading it for dollars? Let's say what drives
that obsession? Well, at the end of the day, what
drives our obsession with having money is that's how we
buy things, right, We pay our bills, we buy our car,
(21:23):
That's how we do it. That's the method of exchange.
But that's not the method of creating value. That's just
a method of exchange. The actual creation of value is
I have a car, you want it. We agree on
what it's worth and its value. The value of the
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exchange is what matters. Now, what method of value exchange
we use in currently in most cases is a dollar, right,
But that method of exchange is a very very new
concept when you think about the history of humanity.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
We're not training a goat for a chicken. Yeah, it
used to be a lot more bartering and trade.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
But that's something to point out. It was an exchange
of value, not a currency. And what's interesting about currency
exchange is currencies can be manipulated and they often are,
right sure, And if you look at the history of
for example, the dollar, the US dollar, and you go
(22:29):
back to two thousand and eight, which is when bitcoin
was created, it was also the worst crash in our
lifetime in terms of commission, right, And that's why bitcoin
was created. Like financial system looked like it was going
to collapse, so the creators of bitcoin said, hey, we
(22:51):
better have a backup plan.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
But it was created as a currency, and if you
look at how the US dollar was created, very similar
to the way bitcoin was created. Interesting, nobody knows who
created it, right, We call it the FED, the Federal Reserve,
and the Federal Reserve Act is what authorized the creation
of the US dollar. And that wasn't that long ago
(23:16):
that it wasn't in my lifetime, but it was in
my grandpa's lifetime, and so it's not The currency system
hasn't been really tested over time other than it works
so far, right.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
But does it?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Like if you look at back to two thousand and eight,
if you look at the value of a dollar in
two thousand and eight versus the value of bitcoin. When
bitcoin first came out, it was worth zero, and the
US dollar has gone way down in valuecoin and Bitcoin
has gone.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Way up in value. Now.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Part of the reason for that is the macro economics
of the dollar, right. The macroeconomics of the dollar are
I can create as many as I want whenever I want.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Whereas everyone has a finite value of going.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
As a finance finite supply. So when you look at
the really simple basics of supply versus demand, you create
high demand for something with low supply, and the money
the value of it goes up and the US dollar
is just exactly opposite of that. And so when you
take a step back from that and you look at
(24:30):
the method of exchanging value, right, I could exchange value
with you if you had uh, you will go back
to the car. If I if you had a car
that I wanted and I had a house that you wanted,
and we felt like that that was the value age,
then we could do that.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
And so when we introduced this idea of a new currency,
you have to look at how how can that exchange
value occur?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Now?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I have argued that we human beings have We create
a lot of value just by being alive, sure, and
just by living our day to day life. And what
I mean by that is if you get up every
single morning and go to Starbucks and get a coffee,
and I know that, and I'm working with Starbucks, I
(25:25):
can use that information to make Starbucks more profitable, right
because I can drop offers to you, I can sell
to you whatever it might be.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
So the fact that you do something habitually is that
just that piece of data is valuable. Now, if you
go to the same Starbucks every morning, the same coffeehouse,
and you pass by ten other stores, you know, maybe
a Walgreens or whatever. I can use that data to
(25:55):
make those companies more efficient and more profitable. But you're
a to access that value that you're creating. You don't
have the ability to access that value, mainly because they
want to sell to you, right. But if you had
the ability to access that value creation, then I might
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have something that you want, and you have this valuable thing,
your thoughts, feelings, emotions, fears and desires and all of
those things, and I could find a way to exchange
that value with you. Now you've got something that's really interesting.
Now we all create this valuable data, and all of
these other organizations are able to tap into that because
(26:42):
we have voluntarily given them tools to do that. Right
when you buy a Tesla car, everybody thinks Tesla is
a car company. Tesla is a data company. They monetize data,
and they use data in order to create more value.
And so when we look at put optio aside for
(27:04):
a second, and I've said this before, the value that
human beings create by being alive is the most valuable
thing on earth. Because if we both didn't agree, for example,
that gold or silver was worth something valuable. If we
weren't here, it wouldn't be right, it would be worthless.
(27:25):
It would be another rock, oil would be another mud.
And so we create the value in everything that exists.
So if you can find a way to allow people
to access that value and own it, own that value,
and be able to exchange that value, now you've created
(27:46):
something really amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
And now we just circle back to the reason why
tokens matter.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Correct and tokens done correctly inject value into the system. Tokens,
like part coin, I don't create value. They create price,
but they don't create value. I used to do a
lot of sales training, and when I would do my
sales training, I would focus on the creation of value
(28:14):
because no one no one buy something because it costs something.
They buy something because they see a value in it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
So, if I'm a car salesman and you come in
and we're talking cars, it's my job to determine what
you value, and then it's my job to show you
how the price of this car is less than how
much you value it. I'll tell you an example, a story.
I've repeated this story in sales training one hundred times.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
In twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I moved my little family back to Utah, and I
had been living in southern California, and so the car
that I had in Southern California was very different than
the car that I want it in Utah, because in
Utah I value a truck with a six inch lift
in big ass tires right. And so I went to
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a show like an outdoor show, and Toyota had a
booth and they had this truck in the booth that
was exactly what I wanted, the same color, the same
lift kit, the same tires, everything. But they couldn't sell
it at the show. They said, you're gonna have to
go to the dealer and talk to the dealer. So
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I took a picture of the truck and I went
to the dealer and just down the street from my house,
and I walked in and a sales guy came up
to me and said, would you like some help? And
I said, yes, I want this exactly like that. That's
what I want. And he said, well, let me see
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what I got, and he went in the back and
came out and he said he found one that was
the right car. It didn't have the right tires, it
didn't have the right lift, kit, and he said, but
I can put all of that stuff on it. And
I said, great, give me the finance guy. I'm ready
to do it. And he goes, don't you want to
test drive it? I said, did I say I wanted
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to test drive it? I don't need to drive it.
He goes, well, do you want to know what motor
it has in it? And I said, it's got one, right.
So he was going down all of these pathways to
things that I didn't value as much as he thought
that I should value them. He almost lost the deal.
I was like, dude, I don't want to sit here
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and talk to you. I want that truck, and I
want it by Friday and so. And the reason I
tell this story is when you look at tokenomics and
you look at crypto exchanges and cryptocurrencies, there's always this
talk of Like you go in any of the telegram channels,
there's always this talk of the price is fluctuating, it's
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it's hyper volatile, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Oh my god, it went down today.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
And I am fascinated by that conversation because what you
should be talking about, I think, is what value can
I get out of the crypto that I have? Not
how can I sell it for a dollar right or
sell it for ten cents or whatever? Because what are
you going to do with that? So, for example, let's
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say that the optiotoken price was five cents today and
you decided to sell all your tokens. I don't know
what you'd get because I don't know how much you have.
But well, let's say you got fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, and you are so what are you going to
do with that? Are you going to go spend it? Like?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Have you got something in mind that you'd like to
go spend fifty thousand dollars on? Most people don't, but
they move it, you know, they sell it, and then
they now they have all these dollars. And let's say
that you just decide, you know, I'm really glad I
got those dollars. I'm just gonna put those in the bank. Sure,
ten years from now they'll be worth less than the
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ten cents that you sold it for. So the idea
when you get into crypto should not be how do
I sell it?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
It should be how do I use it?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
How can I get extract value out of it without
converting it to dollars that continue to go down in value.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Sure, right, And so then, as as I guess, there's
gonna be two groups of people that watch this. You're
gonna have the optial community, people they're already in, they
believe in the project, and then you're gonna have the
majority audience that's like maybe they know some about crypto,
or maybe this was their first kind of like crypto conversation.
(32:43):
They've been a fly on the wall for for people
that want to know more, follow more. You have a podcast,
I do, and it's a good one.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I enjoy you.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, you have the stamp of approval by the Dillan English.
I know it's what you really wanted. You came here
dying for that. So where can people get more information?
So where's your show? Like my shows aren't.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, my show is broadcast on PlayTV. I think it's
on YouTube too. I don't even know, to be honest, my.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Team does all of that for sure on PlayTV.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I know it's on PlayTV.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
And I would also say I'm not the only guy
you should listen to when talking about crypto.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I'm not a trader. I don't do a lot of trading.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Just this last week I thought to myself, why you
talk crypto, cryptocrypto, but why aren't you a like, why
don't you trade crypto? So I did buy some crypto
this week for the first time ever. It's the first
time I've ever bought crypto. Really, Yeah, I've been doing
this seven years, six seven years, and that's the first
time I've ever actually.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Looked at it.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Shows the focus on your project kind of well.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
And I believe it's smarter to earn it than to
buy it, right. So I run a lot of nodes
across a lot of different networks, and so I earn
a lot of crypto, but I don't I've never bought it.
Like all the crypto went on sale a couple of
days ago, so I bought some. I think the best
way to learn about crypto is to join a vibrant
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community that is talking about it in the right way.
Happened to no one. You don't have to join our community,
but we do. I think we have a different approach
to it. Before I started working on this project, I've
always been fascinated with natural health, and I think, yeah,
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you and I talked about that, and I spent about
six years doing learning how to be a coach, how
to be a life coach, and when it's gone through
that process, I learned a lot about our emotions and
how our emotions work. Right, most of us, and especially men,
most of us don't have any clue how our emotions
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actually work. Because of that, our emotions control a lot
of what we do, whether we are angry at someone
or we have a disagreement with someone, and the way
that we think about it and the way our emotions
respond to it is usually out of our control. I
think it's one of the travesties of life because if
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you actually control your emotions, then you get the outcome
that you want as opposed to the random outcome. We
even have words, we even have sayings for it, like
you know, shit happens for a reason, like well, yeah,
you're the reason, right, And.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
So that's how I would coach people.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
And the reason I bring that up now is we
have a bizarre I think bizarre emotional connection and emotional
attachment to money. And because of that, the the most
destructive force in the universe is fear. The most creative
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force in the universe is faith. So when you have
faith in a project, you create value, and it creates value.
When you have fear the value goes away, right, So
I think if you're going to try to learn about crypto,
you should be very careful about the sources that you
go to to learn from because there's a lot of
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gamesmanship in the industry and there's a lot of tokens
that rely one hundred percent on hype yep so, And.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
I think that's an interesting thing just to add a
little context, because I've done enough deep dive in the
crypto community that I know what some red flags are.
And generally, when it's always about money, it's always about
getting rich, it's always about run away, whereas, at least
in this community and others, it's about the value it's creating.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
So the excitement.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
And I've heard a couple of your your stories and
talks and things, and I've been in and out of
meetings and stuff and talking with Yaser and the company
and everyone else that I've met. It's not no one
ever says and this is like when I clipped this
and make sure I get the full context of what
I'm about to say, no one ever says you will
get rich off of this token ever, it never comes
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out obviously legal. But also because like the exciting thing
is what this does. It's the utility. That's what the
hype is. Not in Oh look the number is going
up on you know Couin Gecko. Yeah, the hype is like, guys,
we just got edge cast. The hype is like we
just and that's the that's the difference.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, and I would say too. I was having a
conversation last night. We had a dinner event.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
You were there.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Somebody was talking to me and I don't remember who
it was, and they asked me, you know, what's in
it for you? Like, what's your you know, what's your
exit strategy or what's you know? How do you benefit?
And my response was I already got it. I already
got everything that I expected to get out of it.
And they were like, oh wow, how did you do
that right? I said, well, because I'm rich. It was
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a lady. She goes, so did you get rich with
this token project? I said, no, I got rich because
I have a beautiful wife, I have nine kids, I
have a beautiful home. I wake up every morning happy.
And she was just dumbfounded. She's like, how could you
be all those things and not have lots of money?
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And I said, because I don't have an emotional connection
to money, and I get it.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
It's really really hard.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I got bills, I got first set down. I was like, hey,
what's stressing you out? What'd you say?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
I don't have stress. I don't get stressed.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
And part of the reason why is because I know
I've trained my mind how to process situations that I
come into. You know, there's a great book called Becoming Supernatural.
I recommend it to everyone on the planet Earth. In
this book, neuroscientist talks about this cycle that we go through.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
He calls it thinking and feeling and thinking and feeling
and thinking and feeling.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Most of us woke up this morning on the same
side of the bed, and we had the first thought
in our mind, and it was exactly the same as
the first thought we had yesterday morning.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I have to pee, whatever it is. Whatever that thought
is morning, Yeah, whatever the.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Thought is, though.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
But when you have that thought, every thought that you
have triggers an emotional response. And if that emotional response,
let's say you wake up in the morning and you say,
I have to pee. If that emotional response is and
I gotta do it.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Fast, that's fear, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Then that emotion is going to trigger an action, and
that action is going to trigger a result. Right now,
if you wake up every morning and go, man, I
hate my job. But if that's the same thought that
you had yesterday, and here's the same emotion that you
had yesterday, which triggers the same action that you did yesterday,
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which triggers the same result that you got yesterday, then
you're not even living today.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
You're living yesterday.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
And the only way you can actually grow and change
and become happy and rich is to change the way
you think and feel about things.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
So if I wake up every morning I go freak,
I gotta.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I gotta do all this stuff, and that triggers an
emotional reaction, then my actions are going to be the same,
and my result is going to be the same. So
the reason you don't hear us talking about you're gonna
get rich in this project is you're gonna get rich
when you change your mind.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
We have all kinds of people that are always talking
about when's it going to hit this price or when's
it gonna do it? And it's like that emotional response,
and that emotional reaction is what's keeping it where it is.
It's that that fear or that emotional connection. And you know,
I don't know when I was able to do it.
(41:04):
It's probably in the last seven or eight years where
I just said, I'm not going to have a stress
response to money about anything. And I've had ups and
downs in my career. There's been times when I was like, Hell,
I don't know how I'm going to do this, you know,
but that's that's the ebb and flow of life. And
if you have an emotional reaction to it every time.
Then the same guy wrote another book called Breaking the
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Habit of Being Yourself. And we pretty much go through
life in an habitual way. We have the same you know,
coffee every morning and we say the same things. And
you know, you you habitually say to your wife, I
love you, have a great day. And the I love
you have a great day is a habit, not a feeling.
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It's a habit, not an emotion. And so you get
to the point in life where I say I love you,
you say you love me back. Now you're just being
You're just you, just fulfilling the habit. It's not you're
not becoming closer and more emotionally connected because you're just
doing You're just doing the thing checking the boxes.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Now, this is a.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Bizarre way to talk about cryptocurrency, but no, I love it.
But the connection to the idea that I'm going to
buy this crypto and it's going to become worth a
lot more and then I'll be able to sell it
and get rich, that emotional triad is what is preventing
you from making solid choices about when to sell and
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when not to sell.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
And so people treat crypto much the same way that
they treat the machines and the casino. When it goes
ding ding ding ding ding, they go, ah, it's exciting,
and I'm going to sell and take my I.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Mean, it's it's the same concept.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
It's funny you mentioned about like living for you know,
yesterday because I literally had a conversation with my wife
this weekend about because I'm an entrepreneur, I do sales
and since COVID it has been very tough on us.
Some good months, some bad months, but there's not been
a month in four years where I haven't been stressed
about making payroll for the staff. It hasn't existed like
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we haven't had And I'm very open on this podcast.
My listeners know, like there just hasn't been a month
and four years that has not been stressful.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Financially.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
I make okay money, but all of it pours right
back to the business. So like England family, Oh we're poor.
Oh yeah, it was terrible business.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
We're doing okay. My employees are loaded. Dude.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
I've found myself. I think this is the lesson I've learned.
I think this is what God was trying to teach me.
Is I found myself always like being like one day
I'm going to have an emergency fund and one day
I'm gonna and I like, and that's what I'm going
to be excited. Meanwhile, my daughter's too, I'm about ready
to have my second kid, and I was just as
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you know, again, we're okay, but we're not like thrive.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
I'm not driving.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
I have a twenty ten Ford focus, right or whatever,
But like who cares my daughters too? I spent two
years of her life searching for me to have enough
in the funds for me to maybe do this podcast
for whatever, right, plus two years life gone by. My
son's gonna be born next month, right, Like I know,
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we're not really talking crypto here, We're talking more philosophy,
which is fine, but like.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
But it's this same philosophy that you should use in
any endeavor, right, not not just in crypto, but any endeavor.
I'm gonna let you finish and then I'm gonna show
you how to fix it.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Okay, So the idea of living and enjoying the day
and focusing the priorities on what matter, because at the
end of the day, I should be just as happy
and a hundred thousand dollars home that's eight hundred square
feet in Lincoln Park, Michigan, with my healthy family, wife
and kids, then I should be just as happy, and
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I will be just as happy there. Then if these
things take off and I happen to have a high
number in a bank account. And so that's what I've
been really working on, is not letting the stress of
bills and stress of these things. And obviously, like stress
can encourage harder work or whatever, but like, really, I'm
just like I want to enjoy the good gifts that
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God has given me, regardless of the income of my
bank account. Funny you mentioned literally I just had my
website about that.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
You just we could play it back, and I took
mental notes as you were as you were journeying down
that path of self unempowerment.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Right. And I want to point out a couple of things.
And the reason I do this is.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Because I believe that the words that we say with
our mouth create the reality that we live in. Just
like God, God was the Word, and word was God.
The words that we use are our creative power. That's
how we create the reality that we live in. And
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you said a couple of words that I want to
point out. One of the words that you said was
I should be happy here as if I was also
going to be happy in this other place.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
And you've heard a million times that money doesn't buy happiness,
But but you don't believe that, right. You absolutely believe
if I had a lot more money, I'd be a
lot A lot everyone does.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
So the first word is should. And then the second
thing that you said and I took note of, is
in four years, there hasn't been a month where I
didn't worry out about payroll.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Right?
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Has there been a month that you missed it for myself?
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yes? Not for my employee?
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Okay? And were you more worried about your staff or
more worried about you? Oh? Staff.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah, And so this is what I want to point out. Worry, fear, doubt,
lack of abundance mindset created a reality of four years
of that because the reality, the actual reality, never came
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to pass. The reality that you envisioned in your mind
never came to pass. And isn't it interesting that in
scripture and in our conversations we talk about and it
came to pass.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Sure, everything that.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
We go through in life came to pass us by.
It's like we're just passing through things, right. So this
is where I go back to that emotional attachment to money. Now,
I'm going to tell you a couple things that you
might already know. But our brain, the way our brain
works is we have a lot of different systems in
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our brain. You know, the hypothalmus and all these different systems.
But you can oversimplify how the brain works by talking
about two systems. The limbic brain, which is the kind
of the core of your brain, and then the neocortex.
The neocortex is the outer layer of your brain. They
call it the neocortex or the new cortex because it's
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the most recent evolution of our brain. Right, It's the
newest part of our brain, And there's some interesting things
to understand about those two systems. The first is the
limbic part of your brain is where all your emotions
are generated from. That's where your emotions happen. The neocortex
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part of your brain is a difference engine. It understands
the difference between light and dark and up and down.
It's like a computer. It processes data. Right, the neocortex
has the capacity to formulate and conjugate and understand words.
The limbic brain has no capacity for language. So, for example,
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if you have a neocortical stroke and part of your
neocortex is damaged, you know exactly what you want to say,
but you can't say it because you don't have the capacity.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
To access the words.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Okay, Now, when you say words and you attach them
to emotions, those things, those thoughts, become habits.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
They are your reality.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
So if you look back on those four years and
you say I was constantly thinking about and emotionally reacting
to the lack of money, then what you actually created
was the lack of money because your thoughts and your
emotions combined to create this reality of a lack of right.
(49:50):
So I would suggest that you never use the word should, ever,
because should is the biggest excuse or the biggest reason
we don't achieve what we actually want, because we say
things like I should feel better, or I should be happier,
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or I should hire this person, or I should right,
And all that's doing is making it so you don't
have to decide to do something else, because you can
easily say, well, I should have done that, right. So
that's another word decision. What does the word decision mean?
We say it all the time, but what does it
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actually mean. When you make a decision, you are cutting
off every other possibility because we live in a universe
of infinite possibilities.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Right, it's like the final choice.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
That's right, and when you decide, you cut off all
other possibilities. Now, most of us go through life thinking
that we've made decisions, but we're actually making incisions. We're
just we're leaving a little bit of possibility there. Right,
when you got married, did you cut off all possibilities
that you would ever be with someone else?
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Then you then you made a decision.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
But there's a lot of people that get married and
the are like, if it doesn't work out, we'll just
get divorced, right, And guess how many of those get divorced.
Almost because you've left that as a possibility, and so
when you make an actual decision, there's no other possibility
that could exist for that particular thing. And that's when
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we make the infinite possibilities become definite possibilities. They become definite.
So the biggest problem that we have is making a decision, right,
And so you might have said, I'm going to make
a decision to not feel.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
This way about my situation.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Okay, that's impossible because if the situation is that, your
emotional reaction to it is going to be that. Right,
So what you have to do is, I'm going to
make a decision to not think that thought anymore, because
the thought is what triggers the emotion. Right, So if
you suddenly stop using that language and allowing the thoughts
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in your mind to be that way, then you've made
a decision. You've cut off all the possibilities that there's
not going to be enough money. That's how we manifest
in reality. I think it's fun to include this in
this part of the show. But now take that and
think about your investments, your crypto, your car, your you
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know whatever, how you are emotionally connected to all of
those things dictates.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
The reality of the outcome. The dictates the reality the outcome.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
So I would encourage everyone to recognize that what we're
doing when we talk about free speech and parlor and
all of these different platforms that we're putting out to
the world, what we're doing is and how we're actually
going to benefit them is we're empowered them to think different, right,
or empowering them to be different. And at the end
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of the day, if they think different and they are different,
they'll get a different outcome. So we talk a lot
about I'm getting crypto and I'm gonna be able to
sell it and da da da da. But the reality
is what you're getting is freedom, right because I can
send you crypto and I don't need permission from the
bank that kicked me out of the bank, right, right,
This is.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
More than that. I appreciate that a lot.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
And I think it's also the difference of like Yaser
came on and it was such a good episode, and
it's a difference of having like a future focus and
a past focus too, because I think you can definitely
learn from the past. And my history teacher always to
say those who don't learn from history are destined to
repeat it. So I think there's value in looking learning
lessons from the past, but living there, you keep making
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your past your present. And if you stay in your past,
then it just becomes where you stay. In a way,
what you're saying obviously in the Crypto project, and then
in my life and in everything else, right, like the
ability to be content where you're at, but look forward
and not just being so wrapped up in Yeah, just
because I've experienced things that have been hard in the
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past doesn't mean this is where things need to stay either.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:12):
I think sometimes you can have this like defeatist attitude
of like, this is just my life, this is where
I'm at. You know, it's just it's going to be hard,
and you just stay there and wallow and just stupid unneeded.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
I would suggest that there's another way to look at that,
And I agree we should learn from the past, but
I think we should learn from the past of others,
not from our own past. But another way to look
at it is time is forward and backward. Don't think
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of it that way. Don't think about my past and
don't think about my future. Just think about today, because
Today is the only day you get to live and
take action. You can't live yesterday and take action.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
Yes, we're talking a lot about focus, like you can't
focus Tomorrow's focus, you can only focus today is today?
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yeah, just today.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4 (55:14):
I love our conversations every time I get the chat,
They're like, they're fun and you have a knowledge about
stuff I don't know anything about. But then also it's
just your fun person to talk to. So I appreciate
that a lot for those listening because I'm going to
wrap this up because I think you have a meeting
and my guess is we're getting close to.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
That meeting time.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (55:33):
Yeah, People go to play TV see the optio podcast
that you have going on optio dot community. I think
it's the website something like that dot com right, optio
dot community, updio dock community.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Okay, there's the website. You can read up some there.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
You can obviously follow my show because we're going to
have updates I'm sure throughout the week. Is there anything
that any nugget or anything that you'd want to leave
the listeners as far as like things that are upcoming
or things that are exciting you on the project. Maybe
I'm not asking you to like give some big thing,
but like, is there anything coming up that you're like, Hey,
we haven't really talked about this, this is there's some
exciting things coming Yeah, we're OPTI what excts you right now?
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Well, we have a lot of stuff that's going on
and all of it excites me. But one thing you
should check out is the conference that we're doing in November.
You can find that at cryptocruise dot com. I think
it's a crypt I'll put in the description. Yeah, but
love to have you on the cruise. We're gonna have
some amazing workshops, some amazing speakers, and some amazing fun times.
(56:32):
So if you want to learn about crypto, that's going
to be a great place to do it, all.
Speaker 4 (56:36):
Right, So I'll put the link in the description for
everything that you guys even know. Thank you, Brian, I
appreciate a lot.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
Thank thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (56:43):
Thank you guys for watching this episode of The Dylan
England Show. Make sure you subscribe, like share with your friends.
Appreciate you guys a lot, Love you guys, see you
on the next episode.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
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