January 15, 2025 • 13 mins
As seen on Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson and more, Dillon speaks with Calley Means about the urgent need to reform America’s food and healthcare system. Means explains how incentives favor sickness, why processed foods are loaded with harmful chemicals banned in Europe, and how political leaders like President Trump and Bobby Kennedy are championing a healthier future. From personal stories of loss to the deeper systemic problems in our healthcare, this discussion spotlights simple but powerful changes that could transform the health of our nation’s children—and the country overall.
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Our mission is to provide our listeners with authentic conversation with interesting people, covering a wide range of topics from personal growth, entrepreneurship and lifestyle improvement, all while keeping it entertaining and informative.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-dillon-england-show--6370921/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It was funny when I sent my sister the list
of the one name she said, she said, can you
talk to Kelly Means?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And I said, well, I will try. I have zero control,
and so I really appreciate You're gracious, thank you, thank
you being on man. I really appreciate it all.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
So given time, I'd love to dive into a million
things with you. But I found the best thing with
just only having fifteen minutes is letting you decide really
where you want to go with this. So if you
wouldn't I just give in a quick just bio overview
of who you are. I mean, you talk about Truemed
and everything else, and then we can just kind.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Of jump in from there. Awesome. So quick background on me.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I was a lobbyist early my career for the food
department industry, working in politics, got out of that and
helped put the pieces together with my sister who I
wrote this book with, who is Stafford med School surgeon.
And what we've kind of come to the conclusion on
is that the biggest industry in our country is predicated
on the American.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
People being sick.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Now, we're free market people, but the market has been
ragged to where pharma companies, hospitals, med schools, insurance companies
just demonstrably profit when the America people are sicker for
a longer periods of time. And that's what's happening. We're
the sickest country in the world. I mean, I've got
a young child and and you know, kids are going
into a woodshipper right now. These thirty eight percent of
(01:17):
teens have pre diabetes, the obesity thirty Yeah, it's just
crazy and it's unique in America. So after the death
of our mom in twenty twenty one, my sister and
I decided to write this book Advocate. And you know,
through Tuckercarlson, Megan Kelly, Joe Rogan, this incredible Charlie, this
incredible independent media community, we met the Trump campaign and
(01:38):
Bobby Kennedy and people.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
From across Niles or care about this issue. I was
able to help facilitate.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
An introduction between President Trump and Bobby after the Butler
assassination attempt. And I've had a view into this burgeoning
MAHA coalition and I think we were what I you know,
what I'd love to talk about, but I think is
a big topic in the country right now, is that
would have expected this, but Donald Trump put the issue
of child to chronic disease at the top of the
(02:05):
national conversation. He painted a vision for American abundance and
thriving by getting these broken healthcare institutions out of the way.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
You know, picked Bobby Kennedy. It's a political.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Movement that brought women and independence and young people to
the Republican Coalition. And I think one of the biggest
opportunities we have as a country is for this movement
to be successful.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
So I'm very focused on that right now.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So I have I'm someone with acid reflux. I was
gonna my sister said, talked to him about this. I'm like, Okay,
I'm thirty years old, obviously fat because.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I married an Italian one.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
They're looking it's a silk suit, you know, your second
in a little bit. You just tried to make it happen.
And it's been interesting though, because like I feel like
we fairly healthy. We don't do fast food, but we're
still having like just things that my parents didn't really
deal with at my age. And I'm active, I do things,
and I'm still dealing with gut issues and this kind
of stuff. And then you jump into the Big Four
(03:00):
and everything else. So is it just processed foods? Is
it just is it? Is it one thing you can
point to. It's like if RFK could do this one thing,
or if Trump could do this one thing, or is
it just no, no, No, it's a complete systemic change that
needs to happen.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So at the highest level, there's a mass systemic attack
on our metabolic health, on ourselves.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
That's food.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
That's the fact that we're so sedentary that seventy seven
percent of Americans aren't eligible joined the military. The fact
that kids in schools get less time outside playing than
a maximum security prison, the fact that we're chronically stressed
all the time with our phones.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
There's a multitude of issues that are impacting our health.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But food and what Trump has talked about every single
rallies let's get the toxins out of our food.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I think what's so notable.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And we're conservatives, you know, I know, we're both into
you know, personal responsibility, guys, But when eighty percent of
the United States adults right now are overweight or obese,
and there's epidemic rates of every crime disease, I think
there's a systemic problem. Right There's something that's happened because
you know, one hundred years ago there was no obesity,
and you tall, you know, you go.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
To Italy, there's very little obesity.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
So I think one thing that Trump and Bobby have
really pointed is the differences between the US and Europe.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
And our food really is poisoned.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
There's ten thousand chemicals in our food that aren't allowed
in Italy.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Okay, you know, and you look at even.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
The pasta sauce that I was just looking at this,
the carbone pasta sauce, and you know, all the pasta
sauce in Italy is made with all of the here
At seed oils. You know, ultra processed food, which is
now seventy percent of our child's diet. It's made by
scientists to be ultra palatable, ultra addicting, for make us
want to eat more. So there's one thing we can
accomplish in the next four years. It's not even to
(04:38):
public policy. It's getting the scientific guidelines right to say
to America to have the incentive structure that we should
be eating whole food. We should be getting these this
process crap out of our food.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Because it is impacting our gut.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yes, and you know, our microbiome and our cells in
ways we don't even fully understand the ways what we
are born with, the innate ability and you know what's best
for us to thrive.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I think that's been hijacked by altroprocess food.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So some of the low hanging fruit, I mean, you know,
it's not all about the food colorings.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
We talked a lot about that.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
It's like starting to just say call bs on some
of these ingredients that aren't allowed in any other country.
All these pesticides you know that are predominantly come from
China that are in US agriculture.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Going after the low hanging fruit on our food chemicals,
that's a big believe.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So what do you say to the average consumer that's
maybe on the fence to this right now, and they're
concerned about food prices? So obviously we've built the whole
economy on using these fillers and these things to help
keep things cheap or at least so they tell us,
I don't know how dank. So they're like, well, I
can't afford I can't afford organic food. What happens they
(05:46):
cut all fillers, Like will we be able to afford food?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I'd ask them to step back and listen to what
that argument actually is saying. It's saying that we can't
afford not to poison ourselves. So that just on its
face is ridiculous argument. That's actually what food companies argue.
They say it's gonna the economy. They don't acknowledg they
don't They don't even dispute that the food that we
make in the United States is much less healthy than Europe.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
They don't dispute the fact that our food is so
talk to the.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
United States that we don't even we aren't even able
to export most of our food to Europe.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
They don't allow it. They don't allow it across the border.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
So that argument fundamentally is that we are too it's
too complicated, too expensive to stop poisoning our kids. Number two,
what I'd say is, let's break this down on the
executive branch with President Trump. I don't think President Trump
should be making many policies on bands or anything he controls.
The USDA guidelines now, the USDI guidelines right now say
(06:35):
that ninety three percent ultra processed food diet for a
child is healthy. They say that a two year old
can have added sugar as a healthy part of their diet.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
They're actually advising to eat this crap.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
One thing I think we can do very quickly that
everyone would agree with is let's just get the scientific
authorities to say the truth right now. This DEI stuff,
the affordability argument actually makes its way into scientific guidelines,
where the USDA Scientific guidelines are worried about affordability. The
scientists should not be concerned with affordability. They should be
saying what we should be eating is or is not healthy.
(07:07):
That then dictates a pot per process for the farm
bill and snap and all these agriculture incentives. We have
incentivized food trillions of dollars over the past ten years,
so you don't have a free market. But the first
step is scientists and the executive branch getting all the
crap out of the scientific guidelines and them saying the truth.
(07:28):
And then the second step is with that information is
a first step policymakers can make the right decision to
unwind the crazy incentives.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
In our farm bill.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So when you guys, when you and your sister wrote
this book, did you know what you're aboulready to get into?
Did you know, like was that before you got on
Tucker and all that kind of stuff. Did you realize
how just your lives would just completely just go hyperbolic,
and especially in the public eye.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Is this something you were prepared for?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
No. I had three hundred Twitter followers when I started
writing the book, and you know, no public presence. My
sister has been in the arena a little bit longer
on these issues. We felt like we had something very
important to say. Our mom abruptly was diagnosed with stage
four pancreatic cancer and at Stanford Hospital they said that
(08:14):
was unlucky. Now, the rates of cancer skyrocketing is unlucky.
It's tied to our metabolic health. It's tied to our food,
it's tied to the increasing rates of diabetes and obco.
Those are all warning signs for the cascading rates of cancer,
heart disease, Alzheimer's that eventually kill us.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And bearing my mom, my sister and.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I really felt like we had this important message to say.
And I did feel like it was a society important message,
and I did.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Feel like it needed to be heard at the highest levels.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And I did have a vision that the left and
the right and Kennedy and Trump, you know that there
would be these big coalitions around those issues, because importantly
because of the political resonance, I.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Did feel that, hey, Joe, I did feel that there.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Was a missed opportunity politically where so many parents were
frustrated and angry at their kids being sick. So I
had this master plan in my head, and then you know,
my sister and I really just tried to speak from
the heart, right from the heart, and it caught on.
But I think there's there's this larger spiritual force happening
with Donald Trump talking about it, Kennedy talking about it.
(09:22):
You know, all these warriors who've been in this fight
for fifteen twenty years, who many of them you know,
were left wing hippies, and they're all kind of coming together,
and I think there's a moment right now for these issues.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
So I'm proud to be a part of it.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Let me ask you one more question, and I'm going
to be respectful of time. So I've been I've been
eyeing it the all time. I want to make sure
you're thank you one last thing to be doing.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What's it going to take?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Because I think every American regarding you're left, you're right,
and you're just talking about how some of the left
have even like even centrist have now been supporting Trump.
What's it going to take for both sides, to the
farthest right to the farthest left to say, our collective
health manners, we don't care about them. We can disagree
about everything else politically right, but we will come together
on our health. How do we get people to stop
(10:04):
being so divided and us say, you know what, our
health matters, So let's unify Congress, Let's unify Senate, let's unify.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
How does that happen?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Well, the voters actually do matter.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I mean, these people are susceptible and at the directive
of voters at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And what's clear is that voters on the.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Left and right care about this issue and really care
about a MAHAK platform. Once the MAHAK platform, more transparency
in our scientific research, giving patients the right information, cleaning
up our food, letting patients decide what the best route
for them are instead of top down medical incentives in
the you know, our CMS code system. The principles are
pretty unimpeachable when you really look at what Donald Trump
and Bobby Kenny are saying, and the voters agree with them.
(10:44):
It's why there was this new coalition with voters you
would have never expected to vote for Trump come over
to that side.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
So what I hope happens is that there's bipartisan deals
to be made.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
You know, I'm hoping people like Corey Booker, people like Fetterman,
people like Christin Villebrand and Bernie Sanders, they're all tiptoeing
around potentially supporting Bobby Kennedy.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I think there's already.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Action from the Biden administration right now on the FDA
trying to ban the food dice before Trump kids, and
so there actually already is some biparsonal action. What I
think we need to do is voters and American people
is really support and make sure Bobby and President Trump
were successful in getting some MAHA victories. And then I
think what that does is it changes the paradigm going
(11:29):
into twenty twenty eight. My prayer and hope and the
real sign of victory is that in twenty twenty eight,
both sides are arguing about how to be more Maha,
how to be more protective of kids. I think there's
a real winning message politically, it's kind of obvious, but
like standing up for sick kids and what I think
we will see a victory is if it changes the
(11:50):
paradigm of health. So that's really what I'm focused on,
and really what Bobby and Trump want. Bobby and Trump
would love for this not just to be a Republican issue.
Quite frankly, Trump wants this to be as legacy issue.
He wants when people look at the curve of chronic
disease among kids, to have that be going down. When
it starts going down being during his that's our future. Yeah,
and he wants Trump send this one term. He wants
(12:12):
that to be his legacy issue, and we need to
support him in that.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Well, Kelly, I want to you're about to speak.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yes, The last thing I want is for you to
be here when you should be in front of it
like ten thousand people.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So an honor to be here. Yeah, thank you very much, Kelly.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Last thing I want to say, any promos, anything that
you want to shout out. Where can people find you
to learn more about what you're talking about?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Well, my twitters and.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Instagrams at CALLI beans C A L l U Y
in the A N s. And this is the book.
Hopefully many people have read it.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
But we're you know, putting this is good energy where
we really lay out the problem and my company's true Med.
We help enable medical hsa FSA spending on exercise, food supplements,
root cause interventions. So with expiring hsa FSA dollars, you
can go to true med dot com and figure out. Again,
it's all part of this thing. We need to drive
flexibility with where our healthcare dollars go, not just drugs,
(13:02):
but it can actually go to exercise if you're qualified.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
So that's what my company, trumed dot com does.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
All right, guys follow Cali please do. Thank you very much, brother,
I appreciate you coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Thanks, thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Thanks
It was funny when I sent my sister the list
of the one name she said, she said, can you
talk to Kelly Means?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And I said, well, I will try. I have zero control,
and so I really appreciate You're gracious, thank you, thank
you being on man. I really appreciate it all.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
So given time, I'd love to dive into a million
things with you. But I found the best thing with
just only having fifteen minutes is letting you decide really
where you want to go with this. So if you
wouldn't I just give in a quick just bio overview
of who you are. I mean, you talk about Truemed
and everything else, and then we can just kind.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Of jump in from there. Awesome. So quick background on me.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I was a lobbyist early my career for the food
department industry, working in politics, got out of that and
helped put the pieces together with my sister who I
wrote this book with, who is Stafford med School surgeon.
And what we've kind of come to the conclusion on
is that the biggest industry in our country is predicated
on the American.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
People being sick.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Now, we're free market people, but the market has been
ragged to where pharma companies, hospitals, med schools, insurance companies
just demonstrably profit when the America people are sicker for
a longer periods of time. And that's what's happening. We're
the sickest country in the world. I mean, I've got
a young child and and you know, kids are going
into a woodshipper right now. These thirty eight percent of
(01:17):
teens have pre diabetes, the obesity thirty Yeah, it's just
crazy and it's unique in America. So after the death
of our mom in twenty twenty one, my sister and
I decided to write this book Advocate. And you know,
through Tuckercarlson, Megan Kelly, Joe Rogan, this incredible Charlie, this
incredible independent media community, we met the Trump campaign and
(01:38):
Bobby Kennedy and people.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
From across Niles or care about this issue. I was
able to help facilitate.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
An introduction between President Trump and Bobby after the Butler
assassination attempt. And I've had a view into this burgeoning
MAHA coalition and I think we were what I you know,
what I'd love to talk about, but I think is
a big topic in the country right now, is that
would have expected this, but Donald Trump put the issue
of child to chronic disease at the top of the
(02:05):
national conversation. He painted a vision for American abundance and
thriving by getting these broken healthcare institutions out of the way.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
You know, picked Bobby Kennedy. It's a political.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Movement that brought women and independence and young people to
the Republican Coalition. And I think one of the biggest
opportunities we have as a country is for this movement
to be successful.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
So I'm very focused on that right now.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So I have I'm someone with acid reflux. I was
gonna my sister said, talked to him about this. I'm like, Okay,
I'm thirty years old, obviously fat because.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I married an Italian one.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
They're looking it's a silk suit, you know, your second
in a little bit. You just tried to make it happen.
And it's been interesting though, because like I feel like
we fairly healthy. We don't do fast food, but we're
still having like just things that my parents didn't really
deal with at my age. And I'm active, I do things,
and I'm still dealing with gut issues and this kind
of stuff. And then you jump into the Big Four
(03:00):
and everything else. So is it just processed foods? Is
it just is it? Is it one thing you can
point to. It's like if RFK could do this one thing,
or if Trump could do this one thing, or is
it just no, no, No, it's a complete systemic change that
needs to happen.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So at the highest level, there's a mass systemic attack
on our metabolic health, on ourselves.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
That's food.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
That's the fact that we're so sedentary that seventy seven
percent of Americans aren't eligible joined the military. The fact
that kids in schools get less time outside playing than
a maximum security prison, the fact that we're chronically stressed
all the time with our phones.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
There's a multitude of issues that are impacting our health.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But food and what Trump has talked about every single
rallies let's get the toxins out of our food.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I think what's so notable.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And we're conservatives, you know, I know, we're both into
you know, personal responsibility, guys, But when eighty percent of
the United States adults right now are overweight or obese,
and there's epidemic rates of every crime disease, I think
there's a systemic problem. Right There's something that's happened because
you know, one hundred years ago there was no obesity,
and you tall, you know, you go.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
To Italy, there's very little obesity.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
So I think one thing that Trump and Bobby have
really pointed is the differences between the US and Europe.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
And our food really is poisoned.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
There's ten thousand chemicals in our food that aren't allowed
in Italy.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Okay, you know, and you look at even.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
The pasta sauce that I was just looking at this,
the carbone pasta sauce, and you know, all the pasta
sauce in Italy is made with all of the here
At seed oils. You know, ultra processed food, which is
now seventy percent of our child's diet. It's made by
scientists to be ultra palatable, ultra addicting, for make us
want to eat more. So there's one thing we can
accomplish in the next four years. It's not even to
(04:38):
public policy. It's getting the scientific guidelines right to say
to America to have the incentive structure that we should
be eating whole food. We should be getting these this
process crap out of our food.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Because it is impacting our gut.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yes, and you know, our microbiome and our cells in
ways we don't even fully understand the ways what we
are born with, the innate ability and you know what's best
for us to thrive.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I think that's been hijacked by altroprocess food.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So some of the low hanging fruit, I mean, you know,
it's not all about the food colorings.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
We talked a lot about that.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
It's like starting to just say call bs on some
of these ingredients that aren't allowed in any other country.
All these pesticides you know that are predominantly come from
China that are in US agriculture.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Going after the low hanging fruit on our food chemicals,
that's a big believe.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So what do you say to the average consumer that's
maybe on the fence to this right now, and they're
concerned about food prices? So obviously we've built the whole
economy on using these fillers and these things to help
keep things cheap or at least so they tell us,
I don't know how dank. So they're like, well, I
can't afford I can't afford organic food. What happens they
(05:46):
cut all fillers, Like will we be able to afford food?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I'd ask them to step back and listen to what
that argument actually is saying. It's saying that we can't
afford not to poison ourselves. So that just on its
face is ridiculous argument. That's actually what food companies argue.
They say it's gonna the economy. They don't acknowledg they
don't They don't even dispute that the food that we
make in the United States is much less healthy than Europe.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
They don't dispute the fact that our food is so
talk to the.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
United States that we don't even we aren't even able
to export most of our food to Europe.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
They don't allow it. They don't allow it across the border.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
So that argument fundamentally is that we are too it's
too complicated, too expensive to stop poisoning our kids. Number two,
what I'd say is, let's break this down on the
executive branch with President Trump. I don't think President Trump
should be making many policies on bands or anything he controls.
The USDA guidelines now, the USDI guidelines right now say
(06:35):
that ninety three percent ultra processed food diet for a
child is healthy. They say that a two year old
can have added sugar as a healthy part of their diet.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
They're actually advising to eat this crap.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
One thing I think we can do very quickly that
everyone would agree with is let's just get the scientific
authorities to say the truth right now. This DEI stuff,
the affordability argument actually makes its way into scientific guidelines,
where the USDA Scientific guidelines are worried about affordability. The
scientists should not be concerned with affordability. They should be
saying what we should be eating is or is not healthy.
(07:07):
That then dictates a pot per process for the farm
bill and snap and all these agriculture incentives. We have
incentivized food trillions of dollars over the past ten years,
so you don't have a free market. But the first
step is scientists and the executive branch getting all the
crap out of the scientific guidelines and them saying the truth.
(07:28):
And then the second step is with that information is
a first step policymakers can make the right decision to
unwind the crazy incentives.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
In our farm bill.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So when you guys, when you and your sister wrote
this book, did you know what you're aboulready to get into?
Did you know, like was that before you got on
Tucker and all that kind of stuff. Did you realize
how just your lives would just completely just go hyperbolic,
and especially in the public eye.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Is this something you were prepared for?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
No. I had three hundred Twitter followers when I started
writing the book, and you know, no public presence. My
sister has been in the arena a little bit longer
on these issues. We felt like we had something very
important to say. Our mom abruptly was diagnosed with stage
four pancreatic cancer and at Stanford Hospital they said that
(08:14):
was unlucky. Now, the rates of cancer skyrocketing is unlucky.
It's tied to our metabolic health. It's tied to our food,
it's tied to the increasing rates of diabetes and obco.
Those are all warning signs for the cascading rates of cancer,
heart disease, Alzheimer's that eventually kill us.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And bearing my mom, my sister and.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I really felt like we had this important message to say.
And I did feel like it was a society important message,
and I did.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Feel like it needed to be heard at the highest levels.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And I did have a vision that the left and
the right and Kennedy and Trump, you know that there
would be these big coalitions around those issues, because importantly
because of the political resonance, I.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Did feel that, hey, Joe, I did feel that there.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Was a missed opportunity politically where so many parents were
frustrated and angry at their kids being sick. So I
had this master plan in my head, and then you know,
my sister and I really just tried to speak from
the heart, right from the heart, and it caught on.
But I think there's there's this larger spiritual force happening
with Donald Trump talking about it, Kennedy talking about it.
(09:22):
You know, all these warriors who've been in this fight
for fifteen twenty years, who many of them you know,
were left wing hippies, and they're all kind of coming together,
and I think there's a moment right now for these issues.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
So I'm proud to be a part of it.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Let me ask you one more question, and I'm going
to be respectful of time. So I've been I've been
eyeing it the all time. I want to make sure
you're thank you one last thing to be doing.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What's it going to take?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Because I think every American regarding you're left, you're right,
and you're just talking about how some of the left
have even like even centrist have now been supporting Trump.
What's it going to take for both sides, to the
farthest right to the farthest left to say, our collective
health manners, we don't care about them. We can disagree
about everything else politically right, but we will come together
on our health. How do we get people to stop
(10:04):
being so divided and us say, you know what, our
health matters, So let's unify Congress, Let's unify Senate, let's unify.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
How does that happen?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Well, the voters actually do matter.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I mean, these people are susceptible and at the directive
of voters at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And what's clear is that voters on the.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Left and right care about this issue and really care
about a MAHAK platform. Once the MAHAK platform, more transparency
in our scientific research, giving patients the right information, cleaning
up our food, letting patients decide what the best route
for them are instead of top down medical incentives in
the you know, our CMS code system. The principles are
pretty unimpeachable when you really look at what Donald Trump
and Bobby Kenny are saying, and the voters agree with them.
(10:44):
It's why there was this new coalition with voters you
would have never expected to vote for Trump come over
to that side.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
So what I hope happens is that there's bipartisan deals
to be made.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
You know, I'm hoping people like Corey Booker, people like Fetterman,
people like Christin Villebrand and Bernie Sanders, they're all tiptoeing
around potentially supporting Bobby Kennedy.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I think there's already.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Action from the Biden administration right now on the FDA
trying to ban the food dice before Trump kids, and
so there actually already is some biparsonal action. What I
think we need to do is voters and American people
is really support and make sure Bobby and President Trump
were successful in getting some MAHA victories. And then I
think what that does is it changes the paradigm going
(11:29):
into twenty twenty eight. My prayer and hope and the
real sign of victory is that in twenty twenty eight,
both sides are arguing about how to be more Maha,
how to be more protective of kids. I think there's
a real winning message politically, it's kind of obvious, but
like standing up for sick kids and what I think
we will see a victory is if it changes the
(11:50):
paradigm of health. So that's really what I'm focused on,
and really what Bobby and Trump want. Bobby and Trump
would love for this not just to be a Republican issue.
Quite frankly, Trump wants this to be as legacy issue.
He wants when people look at the curve of chronic
disease among kids, to have that be going down. When
it starts going down being during his that's our future. Yeah,
and he wants Trump send this one term. He wants
(12:12):
that to be his legacy issue, and we need to
support him in that.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Well, Kelly, I want to you're about to speak.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yes, The last thing I want is for you to
be here when you should be in front of it
like ten thousand people.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So an honor to be here. Yeah, thank you very much, Kelly.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Last thing I want to say, any promos, anything that
you want to shout out. Where can people find you
to learn more about what you're talking about?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Well, my twitters and.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Instagrams at CALLI beans C A L l U Y
in the A N s. And this is the book.
Hopefully many people have read it.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
But we're you know, putting this is good energy where
we really lay out the problem and my company's true Med.
We help enable medical hsa FSA spending on exercise, food supplements,
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can go to true med dot com and figure out. Again,
it's all part of this thing. We need to drive
flexibility with where our healthcare dollars go, not just drugs,
(13:02):
but it can actually go to exercise if you're qualified.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
So that's what my company, trumed dot com does.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
All right, guys follow Cali please do. Thank you very much, brother,
I appreciate you coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Thanks, thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Thanks
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