April 14, 2025 • 15 mins
Are men finally waking up to truth?
In this powerful conversation, Shane Winnings — former Special Forces officer, police officer, and now leader of Promise Keepers — unpacks the rising hunger in young men for purpose, truth, and God. We dive into the surprising stats on Gen Z church attendance, how 2020 opened the eyes of a generation, and what biblical masculinity really looks like in today's world.
We also talk about Shane's national movement to disciple men, the legacy of Promise Keepers, and why Christians need to be bold in both faith and politics.
If you’re looking for hope, fire, and a challenge to live with deeper purpose — this is for you.
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IG: @shane.winnings
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In this powerful conversation, Shane Winnings — former Special Forces officer, police officer, and now leader of Promise Keepers — unpacks the rising hunger in young men for purpose, truth, and God. We dive into the surprising stats on Gen Z church attendance, how 2020 opened the eyes of a generation, and what biblical masculinity really looks like in today's world.
We also talk about Shane's national movement to disciple men, the legacy of Promise Keepers, and why Christians need to be bold in both faith and politics.
If you’re looking for hope, fire, and a challenge to live with deeper purpose — this is for you.
Follow Shane Winnings: Website: https://promisekeepers.org
IG: @shane.winnings
YouTube: Shane Winnings
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#TheDillonEnglandShow
ABOUT THE DILLON ENGLAND SHOW:
Our mission is to provide our listeners with authentic conversation with interesting people, covering a wide range of topics from personal growth, entrepreneurship, and lifestyle improvement, all while keeping it entertaining and informative.
Connect with Dillon:
🐦 https://twitter.com/dillonmengland
🔗 https://www.linkedin.com/in/dillonmengland/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Guys are looking for truth.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You know, there was a study that just came out
that gen Z males are now leading in church attendance
for the first time in history, more than females.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Why do you wake up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, you know, if you don't think about that actively,
then all of a sudden, you're just kind of doing
your thing. You're paying your bills or whatever. You're just
kind of getting through life. And it's like, no, there's
a deeper reason for why you were giving breath for
that day.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And as a Christian, I'm alive to shine for Christ.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
People wanted a human ruler over them, and the Lord's like,
all right, you know, here's the good things he's going
to do, and here's all the curses you're going to inherit.
And they're like, we don't care, we want it anyway.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I prefer if you wouldn't mind just letting my audience
know who you are. I know you have some exciting
new things going on right now. Yeah, and then that
will just kind of lead us into you know, the conversation.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Shane Winning some thirty four live in Florida. So I'm
an Army officer, former Army officer. I served with a
special Forces unit and deployed Afghanistan in twenty fourteen. After that,
I was a cop for five years south of Seattle.
So I worked night shift in like a really violent area.
So it was a lot of fun. Almost died in
(01:15):
twenty twenty. Someone tried to kill me.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Wow, So that was fun, you know, funs of word.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, it's just wild. You know, you find yourself in
these situations. You're like, dude, I never thought I would
be here. And you know, speaking of that, I never
thought I'd become a traveling preacher, but that's exactly what
God asked me to do after my police career, and
so I was a traveling preacher to America for like
four years and then a year ago this month, I
(01:41):
took over a national men's ministry called Promise Keepers. Yeah. So,
and I mean that's if anyone, you know, anyone watching,
just ask your dad, like, have you heard of promise Keeper?
Pretty much everybody has at least heard of it, yes, sir. Yeah,
So it was a huge honor to take that over.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
For those that don't know, give us the quick overview
of promise Keeper. And then I want to backtrack on
your story because that Hauple questions on those.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So Promise Keepers founded in nineteen ninety and it was
like men, there's not a lot for men in the
Christian space. You know, there's women's conferences all over the place,
but there wasn't stuff for men. And even still there's
not a ton of stuff just for men. And so
this football coach Bill McCartney, he coached the Colorado Buffalo,
so like Deon Sanders today, you know, it was that
team he won a national championship. But he started a
(02:26):
men's ministry. It was like forty guys and it kept
doubling until one year they did twenty two NFL stadiums
in a year, all of them sold out like insane.
And then they gathered one point four million in DC
at the Mall. It's the biggest gathering in US history
on that property. That was in ninety seven. So that's
our legacy. Hasn't been that for a long time. You know,
(02:48):
organizations lose their steam, they go through bad leadership. So
I'm honored to be taking it over. And you know,
we're bringing a lot of different things to men around
the nation to connect and to ultimately connect with God.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Why do you think that a lot of times there's
just not a lot of programs for men. Men men
seem that, you know, Jordan Peterson talks about a lot
in his book The Men Are Forgotten About and men
are a lot of times just suppress your feelings.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You don't talk about it. Yeah, man up tough enough,
you know, do your thing.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Why do you think there is a lack of programs
like you know, promise keep it from men.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah. I mean, you know, I think for us to
do what we need to do as men.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You know, when I was a cop, I couldn't like
try if I went in and I was dealing.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
With a child rape case or something like that.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I mean, you just naturally kind of block that off
so that you can do your job and then you
process it later. But I think as men, like we're
carrying the weight of the world on our shoulders. At
least we should be if we're in the right spot.
If you're managing a family and your work and everything there,
you should feel crushed. Yeah, that is what I think
manhood is about. But it's understanding.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Man. God is with you, and you know his burden
is light.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You know his yoka is easy, and so I say
that to say, to take a man who's used to
carrying the weight of everything and not talking about a lot,
and try to get him to gather with other guys
and do exactly that. Like, it's not easy unless you're
offering stake or pizza. You got a football player speaking, right.
So guys are trying. There's a lot of organizations out there,
but I think these last four years have really helped
(04:20):
because guys are looking for truth. You know, there was
a study that just came out that gen Z males
are now leading in church attendance for the first time
in history, more than females. So they're the itch is there,
and I think Promise keepers is the answer to scratch
that itch.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Well, I mean, it sounds like you're excited about trying
to take what was once.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Like the thing for me, it was a yeah, it
was crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And then now you're trying to not even reclaim that
but build it into something. Are you trying to take
it in a little bit new direction or is there
going to be opportunities to take what is good and
helpful and always make it practical for like twenty two.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I don't think we're gonna. I don't know if we'll
see stadiums filled again. That would be cool, but I'm
not trying to go book a stadium like Coach started
small and then it got big naturally, that's how any
organization works, you know, Charlie didn't just wake up and
here's having twenty thousand people. You know, I think it
started in a garage or something like that. And so
it's like I am starting where we're at, which is
(05:24):
we're standing up men's groups across the nation.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I want guys to be connecting on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And so we went from eighteen to almost one hundred
and just this last year. We've got digital stuff where
we're starting a college tour next year.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Where we're raising up young men on campuses to lead.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So really my heart is like, let's engage men with
the organization but pointing them to God, right, and it'll.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Build on the poll because that's the ultimate goal, exactly right,
because you could be part of an organization, but if
you don't have a relationship with kisus. So funny enough,
I traveled for two years as a traveling evangelist. No,
right on, Yeah, So when you said you traveled so
there was a team called the Coffee Ministry Team. We
played Irish music cool, so we had like Irish band
and that kind of broke down. We do Irish concerts
that people would show up and would give the gospel.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And I did that for two years right after college.
That's epic, dude.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And now I live in Detroit and you know obviously
started the podcast about a year ago. But yeah, so
when you mentioned you were traveling a feature and that's
why when you know your assistant reached out, I'm like, yeah, okay,
this is definitely who I want to talk to you
about what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Because well we need that.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And I traveled the nation in twenty twenty one. I
did a forty four city tour. You know, I just
leveraged my social media following no paid advertising, and I
was seeing who would join me in parks and fields
around the nation. In some places we had five people
show up on average.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It was probably fifty still fifty per city. I was
pretty pumped.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But then we had a few cities where we had
two or three or four hundred people come. Wow, And
so I would just preach a gospel and then pray
for miracles, and we saw radical stuff. But that showed me, man,
this is during a pandemic. These these people are coming out,
they're looking for truth and they're getting filled with hope,
and I'm like, this, this is the answer, this is
what we need.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Do you think that twenty twenty was because it was bad?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I mean the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, well, like I'm not trying to glorify that, But
I think one thing it did was obviously it made
people awake to the corruption and everything that was happening
in our government.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, people that were like, oh no, no, no, no, our
government's awesome. They did one of those guys like right, same.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But I also think it showed how empty we are,
and especially the amount of depression and when you're locked
in your own homes that had. Do you think that
twenty twenty has potentially been a catalyst for people searching
for truth where beforehand they were maybe just coasting in life,
and then twenty twenty was like, holy crab, life is final.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, A million percent, man, it was a I mean
even for me as a follower of Jesus, like my
eyes were open to stuff and that caused me to
look into everything, you know, And I think that's what
it did, and I think it was a gift from
the Lord that that happened.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
You know, obviously I think there were horrible things that.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Happened because of twenty twenty and and people lost their
lives and all these other things. But God uses the
things that the enemy means for bad and he flips
it on its head for good. So the way I
look at it is like, Dude, twenty twenty was gonna happen,
but God allowed this great thing to come out of it,
which was a generation of people who were like, that'll
never happen again, right, as long as I have anything
(08:19):
to say about it. And so that's why we've got
people digging into stuff. And one of the things they're
digging into is, well, what is the truth? Because I'm
getting lied to by the medium, getting lied to by
the government who I was taught to trust my whole life.
Who I thought, the FBI, CIA, Jason Booren, they're all
on my side, right, They're not right, And so why
they're digging into the truth.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
They're finding the word.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And that's what resonated I think even with voters, was
you've got one party that's doing the sectomies and abortions,
in one party that says, hey, you're at the right rally,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Right, So that was a clear choice, I think for
a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
When you live your life when there's no just like
set morality, when morality is fluid. Yeah, like that's what
the left tried to do. It's like no, no, no,
you're it's your truth. You can lay however you want to.
But even where I feel like being a conservative is awesome,
but being a conservative isn't the end goal. No, right,
it's a cool thing, and I think that it leads
(09:13):
people down the path the truths be like oh wait,
why why don't.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
We want to kill babies?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Right? That?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Because that's the question.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
It's like why don't we Well, we believe that there's
a power higher than us that has given us rules
and said this is wrong, yeah, exectively ef Yeah, And
so that's a mystery, right. And so that's the beautiful
thing about an event like Amfest and a bit people around.
It's like, even if a conservative is just a tipping point,
then the question start, well, why do we read this?
And then that's why missions like you and you know,
(09:40):
like I leave youth group at our church.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
And it's like so needed, man. Yeah, that's that's getting
people digging into what's the motive? Why am I?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You know, I say this all the time, like why
do you wake up in the morning? Yeah, you know,
if you don't think about that actively, then all of
a sudden, you're just kind of doing your thing. You're
paying your bills or whatever, You're just kind of getting
through life. And it's like, no, they're there's a deeper
reason for why you were given breath for that day.
And as a Christian, I'm alive to shine for Christ.
And there's a lot of people that vote correctly, but
(10:10):
their hearts are a mess. You know, there's people on
the right that are just as bad as people on
the left. They just vote the right way. And so
that's what I see. Yeah, that's not a popular thing
to say, but I'm not here to make friends like
I'm here because the truth is what sets people free.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
And so you could be voting for the right party.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And you could be dying on the inside because your
values are trash or you don't understand what life is
all about.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And so you know, when you.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Talked about suicide and depression, dude, that came for everybody
on the left and the right and in the middle.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
And so that's why we need the hope of Christ.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
So people understand like there's something better to live for
than just well, I hope my president gets elected and
I hope I get that promotion. I hope it's a
rat race, like it'll never end. Yes, you know you're
an evangelist. I'm speaking your language.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Show I'm it's the exact same thing. I mean, that's
why it's so important to have Christians and politics. I
think for a while Christians would be privately having conversations,
but they'd be a little bit like, well, I don't
want to be edgy. I don't want to offend people.
I don't want to do this.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
But when things Jesus never said, by the way right exactly,
Jesus is very bold.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
By the way I came to divide your family. Yeah,
that's pretty bold flipping some tables.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
That's an interesting perspective of or for total goals to
get people to christ Actually being bold with why we
believe in morals get it just helps get to that
new and it's why Christians, I think, should be involved
in politics.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, politics is the highest form of love. It is
how you love a nation. Politics is how you care
for a people on a macro level. I mean, you
want you have rules in your family and your house.
Probably you've got rules at your job. But then when
we talk about rules and regulations for the nation, we're like,
(11:49):
do want to get into that political and yeah, it's like, well,
then you haven't read the Old Testament.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's a very highly political book.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, so yeah, And you know what, the reality too
is that we have politics, and there are consequences too
even having politics, because we turned away from God.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
The people cried out for Saul. You know this is
in First Samuel.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
The people wanted a human ruler over them, and the
Lord's like, all right, you know, here's the good things
he's gonna do, and here's all the curses you're gonna inherit.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
And they're like, we don't care, we want it anyways.
Now we have rulers. Now we have presidents, and you
know what, God uses them.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And I believe we have a great nation and we've
got a great president elect, Donald Trump. But the reality
is there are consequences to having human leaders. They're still sinners,
human mistakes, yep. And man, that should just show us
all the more. Like my allegiance is not to a
nation or to a party or to a person. It's
to Jesus, and then it's to a nation. And if
(12:48):
that ever gets out of order, well, my allegiance is
always to God. That's who I fall back on. That's
who I've built my life on. And to what you're saying,
there's people who build their lives on everything else. It
doesn't have this. They don't have the steam to run
the race. You know, it'll be about the next candidate
and the next candidate instead of Dude, I don't care
(13:09):
who's president. We shouldn't kill children, right, I don't care
who's president. You know, it's like the truth that never changes.
That's the word of God.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Absolutely as we I could talk to you for an hour, Yeah,
same man, This is fun. I just feel like we
should just vibe some time and just check because this
would be way longer conversation, but due to time, Crutch
want to be spectral of your time and we have
more interviews coming up. How can people could support you?
How can people support what you're doing and obviously promise
keepers and everything else. Would you mind just give it?
(13:36):
You feel free shout out. So Souls is your opportunity
whatever you want to do, totally. Thanks, Yeah, promise keepers
dot org. That's our website.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You find everything basically on the homepage and then we're
on all socials and then I'm at Shane dot Winnings.
And then another thing I'll say is, starting in January
on my YouTube Shane Winnings, I'm going to read the
Bible live every day in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
We're going to go through the whole Bible.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
So the goal is like massive Biblical exposure and literacy
because there's three point two billion people that have never
heard the Gospel, and a lot of.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Those people are on social media.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah and so, and we can't assume that just because
everyone has a phone that they've seen the Bible act
or whatever. So man join me. Yes, you know, fifteen
minutes a day or so, and we're gonna read the
whole Bible. If you've always wanted to read the Bible
cover to cover but never have, this is your year.
Oh really for you?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
What platforms are you gonna do that on?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm gonna do it on YouTube live.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Okay, then we'll have the replay obviously, but then we'll
have a podcast so you could listen to audio on
all the podcast per platforms.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Well, we'll make sure we get each other's information that
we can promote and try to help you guys grow swather.
Thanks coming the show, bro. I I love meeting another
brother in Christ here as much as I love conservatives,
and I love what we stand for. Having a deeper
connection to that is. It's kind of awesome and man
and so appreciate you guys. Follow Shane. We'll we'll include
all the social stuff. Thank you brother for coming on
the show. Man Best Hierrol Cool
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Bustom of the Buckston
Guys are looking for truth.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You know, there was a study that just came out
that gen Z males are now leading in church attendance
for the first time in history, more than females.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Why do you wake up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, you know, if you don't think about that actively,
then all of a sudden, you're just kind of doing
your thing. You're paying your bills or whatever. You're just
kind of getting through life. And it's like, no, there's
a deeper reason for why you were giving breath for
that day.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And as a Christian, I'm alive to shine for Christ.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
People wanted a human ruler over them, and the Lord's like,
all right, you know, here's the good things he's going
to do, and here's all the curses you're going to inherit.
And they're like, we don't care, we want it anyway.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I prefer if you wouldn't mind just letting my audience
know who you are. I know you have some exciting
new things going on right now. Yeah, and then that
will just kind of lead us into you know, the conversation.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Shane Winning some thirty four live in Florida. So I'm
an Army officer, former Army officer. I served with a
special Forces unit and deployed Afghanistan in twenty fourteen. After that,
I was a cop for five years south of Seattle.
So I worked night shift in like a really violent area.
So it was a lot of fun. Almost died in
(01:15):
twenty twenty. Someone tried to kill me.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Wow, So that was fun, you know, funs of word.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, it's just wild. You know, you find yourself in
these situations. You're like, dude, I never thought I would
be here. And you know, speaking of that, I never
thought I'd become a traveling preacher, but that's exactly what
God asked me to do after my police career, and
so I was a traveling preacher to America for like
four years and then a year ago this month, I
(01:41):
took over a national men's ministry called Promise Keepers. Yeah. So,
and I mean that's if anyone, you know, anyone watching,
just ask your dad, like, have you heard of promise Keeper?
Pretty much everybody has at least heard of it, yes, sir. Yeah,
So it was a huge honor to take that over.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
For those that don't know, give us the quick overview
of promise Keeper. And then I want to backtrack on
your story because that Hauple questions on those.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So Promise Keepers founded in nineteen ninety and it was
like men, there's not a lot for men in the
Christian space. You know, there's women's conferences all over the place,
but there wasn't stuff for men. And even still there's
not a ton of stuff just for men. And so
this football coach Bill McCartney, he coached the Colorado Buffalo,
so like Deon Sanders today, you know, it was that
team he won a national championship. But he started a
(02:26):
men's ministry. It was like forty guys and it kept
doubling until one year they did twenty two NFL stadiums
in a year, all of them sold out like insane.
And then they gathered one point four million in DC
at the Mall. It's the biggest gathering in US history
on that property. That was in ninety seven. So that's
our legacy. Hasn't been that for a long time. You know,
(02:48):
organizations lose their steam, they go through bad leadership. So
I'm honored to be taking it over. And you know,
we're bringing a lot of different things to men around
the nation to connect and to ultimately connect with God.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Why do you think that a lot of times there's
just not a lot of programs for men. Men men
seem that, you know, Jordan Peterson talks about a lot
in his book The Men Are Forgotten About and men
are a lot of times just suppress your feelings.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You don't talk about it. Yeah, man up tough enough,
you know, do your thing.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Why do you think there is a lack of programs
like you know, promise keep it from men.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah. I mean, you know, I think for us to
do what we need to do as men.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You know, when I was a cop, I couldn't like
try if I went in and I was dealing.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
With a child rape case or something like that.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I mean, you just naturally kind of block that off
so that you can do your job and then you
process it later. But I think as men, like we're
carrying the weight of the world on our shoulders. At
least we should be if we're in the right spot.
If you're managing a family and your work and everything there,
you should feel crushed. Yeah, that is what I think
manhood is about. But it's understanding.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Man. God is with you, and you know his burden
is light.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You know his yoka is easy, and so I say
that to say, to take a man who's used to
carrying the weight of everything and not talking about a lot,
and try to get him to gather with other guys
and do exactly that. Like, it's not easy unless you're
offering stake or pizza. You got a football player speaking, right.
So guys are trying. There's a lot of organizations out there,
but I think these last four years have really helped
(04:20):
because guys are looking for truth. You know, there was
a study that just came out that gen Z males
are now leading in church attendance for the first time
in history, more than females. So they're the itch is there,
and I think Promise keepers is the answer to scratch
that itch.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Well, I mean, it sounds like you're excited about trying
to take what was once.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Like the thing for me, it was a yeah, it
was crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And then now you're trying to not even reclaim that
but build it into something. Are you trying to take
it in a little bit new direction or is there
going to be opportunities to take what is good and
helpful and always make it practical for like twenty two.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I don't think we're gonna. I don't know if we'll
see stadiums filled again. That would be cool, but I'm
not trying to go book a stadium like Coach started
small and then it got big naturally, that's how any
organization works, you know, Charlie didn't just wake up and
here's having twenty thousand people. You know, I think it
started in a garage or something like that. And so
it's like I am starting where we're at, which is
(05:24):
we're standing up men's groups across the nation.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I want guys to be connecting on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And so we went from eighteen to almost one hundred
and just this last year. We've got digital stuff where
we're starting a college tour next year.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Where we're raising up young men on campuses to lead.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So really my heart is like, let's engage men with
the organization but pointing them to God, right, and it'll.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Build on the poll because that's the ultimate goal, exactly right,
because you could be part of an organization, but if
you don't have a relationship with kisus. So funny enough,
I traveled for two years as a traveling evangelist. No,
right on, Yeah, So when you said you traveled so
there was a team called the Coffee Ministry Team. We
played Irish music cool, so we had like Irish band
and that kind of broke down. We do Irish concerts
that people would show up and would give the gospel.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And I did that for two years right after college.
That's epic, dude.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And now I live in Detroit and you know obviously
started the podcast about a year ago. But yeah, so
when you mentioned you were traveling a feature and that's
why when you know your assistant reached out, I'm like, yeah, okay,
this is definitely who I want to talk to you
about what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Because well we need that.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And I traveled the nation in twenty twenty one. I
did a forty four city tour. You know, I just
leveraged my social media following no paid advertising, and I
was seeing who would join me in parks and fields
around the nation. In some places we had five people
show up on average.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It was probably fifty still fifty per city. I was
pretty pumped.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But then we had a few cities where we had
two or three or four hundred people come. Wow, And
so I would just preach a gospel and then pray
for miracles, and we saw radical stuff. But that showed me, man,
this is during a pandemic. These these people are coming out,
they're looking for truth and they're getting filled with hope,
and I'm like, this, this is the answer, this is
what we need.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Do you think that twenty twenty was because it was bad?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I mean the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, well, like I'm not trying to glorify that, But
I think one thing it did was obviously it made
people awake to the corruption and everything that was happening
in our government.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, people that were like, oh no, no, no, no, our
government's awesome. They did one of those guys like right, same.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But I also think it showed how empty we are,
and especially the amount of depression and when you're locked
in your own homes that had. Do you think that
twenty twenty has potentially been a catalyst for people searching
for truth where beforehand they were maybe just coasting in life,
and then twenty twenty was like, holy crab, life is final.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, A million percent, man, it was a I mean
even for me as a follower of Jesus, like my
eyes were open to stuff and that caused me to
look into everything, you know, And I think that's what
it did, and I think it was a gift from
the Lord that that happened.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
You know, obviously I think there were horrible things that.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Happened because of twenty twenty and and people lost their
lives and all these other things. But God uses the
things that the enemy means for bad and he flips
it on its head for good. So the way I
look at it is like, Dude, twenty twenty was gonna happen,
but God allowed this great thing to come out of it,
which was a generation of people who were like, that'll
never happen again, right, as long as I have anything
(08:19):
to say about it. And so that's why we've got
people digging into stuff. And one of the things they're
digging into is, well, what is the truth? Because I'm
getting lied to by the medium, getting lied to by
the government who I was taught to trust my whole life.
Who I thought, the FBI, CIA, Jason Booren, they're all
on my side, right, They're not right, And so why
they're digging into the truth.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
They're finding the word.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And that's what resonated I think even with voters, was
you've got one party that's doing the sectomies and abortions,
in one party that says, hey, you're at the right rally,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Right, So that was a clear choice, I think for
a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
When you live your life when there's no just like
set morality, when morality is fluid. Yeah, like that's what
the left tried to do. It's like no, no, no,
you're it's your truth. You can lay however you want to.
But even where I feel like being a conservative is awesome,
but being a conservative isn't the end goal. No, right,
it's a cool thing, and I think that it leads
(09:13):
people down the path the truths be like oh wait,
why why don't.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
We want to kill babies?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Right? That?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Because that's the question.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
It's like why don't we Well, we believe that there's
a power higher than us that has given us rules
and said this is wrong, yeah, exectively ef Yeah, And
so that's a mystery, right. And so that's the beautiful
thing about an event like Amfest and a bit people around.
It's like, even if a conservative is just a tipping point,
then the question start, well, why do we read this?
And then that's why missions like you and you know,
(09:40):
like I leave youth group at our church.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
And it's like so needed, man. Yeah, that's that's getting
people digging into what's the motive? Why am I?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You know, I say this all the time, like why
do you wake up in the morning? Yeah, you know,
if you don't think about that actively, then all of
a sudden, you're just kind of doing your thing. You're
paying your bills or whatever, You're just kind of getting
through life. And it's like, no, they're there's a deeper
reason for why you were given breath for that day.
And as a Christian, I'm alive to shine for Christ.
And there's a lot of people that vote correctly, but
(10:10):
their hearts are a mess. You know, there's people on
the right that are just as bad as people on
the left. They just vote the right way. And so
that's what I see. Yeah, that's not a popular thing
to say, but I'm not here to make friends like
I'm here because the truth is what sets people free.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
And so you could be voting for the right party.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And you could be dying on the inside because your
values are trash or you don't understand what life is
all about.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And so you know, when you.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Talked about suicide and depression, dude, that came for everybody
on the left and the right and in the middle.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
And so that's why we need the hope of Christ.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
So people understand like there's something better to live for
than just well, I hope my president gets elected and
I hope I get that promotion. I hope it's a
rat race, like it'll never end. Yes, you know you're
an evangelist. I'm speaking your language.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Show I'm it's the exact same thing. I mean, that's
why it's so important to have Christians and politics. I
think for a while Christians would be privately having conversations,
but they'd be a little bit like, well, I don't
want to be edgy. I don't want to offend people.
I don't want to do this.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
But when things Jesus never said, by the way right exactly,
Jesus is very bold.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
By the way I came to divide your family. Yeah,
that's pretty bold flipping some tables.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
That's an interesting perspective of or for total goals to
get people to christ Actually being bold with why we
believe in morals get it just helps get to that
new and it's why Christians, I think, should be involved
in politics.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, politics is the highest form of love. It is
how you love a nation. Politics is how you care
for a people on a macro level. I mean, you
want you have rules in your family and your house.
Probably you've got rules at your job. But then when
we talk about rules and regulations for the nation, we're like,
(11:49):
do want to get into that political and yeah, it's like, well,
then you haven't read the Old Testament.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's a very highly political book.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, so yeah, And you know what, the reality too
is that we have politics, and there are consequences too
even having politics, because we turned away from God.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
The people cried out for Saul. You know this is
in First Samuel.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
The people wanted a human ruler over them, and the
Lord's like, all right, you know, here's the good things
he's gonna do, and here's all the curses you're gonna inherit.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
And they're like, we don't care, we want it anyways.
Now we have rulers. Now we have presidents, and you
know what, God uses them.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And I believe we have a great nation and we've
got a great president elect, Donald Trump. But the reality
is there are consequences to having human leaders. They're still sinners,
human mistakes, yep. And man, that should just show us
all the more. Like my allegiance is not to a
nation or to a party or to a person. It's
to Jesus, and then it's to a nation. And if
(12:48):
that ever gets out of order, well, my allegiance is
always to God. That's who I fall back on. That's
who I've built my life on. And to what you're saying,
there's people who build their lives on everything else. It
doesn't have this. They don't have the steam to run
the race. You know, it'll be about the next candidate
and the next candidate instead of Dude, I don't care
(13:09):
who's president. We shouldn't kill children, right, I don't care
who's president. You know, it's like the truth that never changes.
That's the word of God.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Absolutely as we I could talk to you for an hour, Yeah,
same man, This is fun. I just feel like we
should just vibe some time and just check because this
would be way longer conversation, but due to time, Crutch
want to be spectral of your time and we have
more interviews coming up. How can people could support you?
How can people support what you're doing and obviously promise
keepers and everything else. Would you mind just give it?
(13:36):
You feel free shout out. So Souls is your opportunity
whatever you want to do, totally. Thanks, Yeah, promise keepers
dot org. That's our website.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You find everything basically on the homepage and then we're
on all socials and then I'm at Shane dot Winnings.
And then another thing I'll say is, starting in January
on my YouTube Shane Winnings, I'm going to read the
Bible live every day in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
We're going to go through the whole Bible.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
So the goal is like massive Biblical exposure and literacy
because there's three point two billion people that have never
heard the Gospel, and a lot of.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Those people are on social media.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah and so, and we can't assume that just because
everyone has a phone that they've seen the Bible act
or whatever. So man join me. Yes, you know, fifteen
minutes a day or so, and we're gonna read the
whole Bible. If you've always wanted to read the Bible
cover to cover but never have, this is your year.
Oh really for you?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
What platforms are you gonna do that on?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm gonna do it on YouTube live.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Okay, then we'll have the replay obviously, but then we'll
have a podcast so you could listen to audio on
all the podcast per platforms.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Well, we'll make sure we get each other's information that
we can promote and try to help you guys grow swather.
Thanks coming the show, bro. I I love meeting another
brother in Christ here as much as I love conservatives,
and I love what we stand for. Having a deeper
connection to that is. It's kind of awesome and man
and so appreciate you guys. Follow Shane. We'll we'll include
all the social stuff. Thank you brother for coming on
the show. Man Best Hierrol Cool
Speaker 1 (15:00):
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