Why So Many Athletes Go Broke, Tony Hills on Money, Faith, and Football | NFL Tony Hills | S2 EP 7 - The Dillon England Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Football was my father. My father wasn't in my life.
He didn't raise me. Football did. It taught me about adversity, perseverance.
It taught me how to listen to the message and
not the messenger. As a man, you cannot allow your
emotions to dictate your actions. With the one hundred and
thirtieth pick in the fourth round of Pittsburgh still to
select Tony Hills, tackle a lot of Texas, I walked
right into a Super Bowl championship alignment. God had me

(00:23):
in the right place at the right time. Troy is
the reason, honestly why as an athlete, I didn't become
a statistic He sat down after practice and we vibed
over Connect four. Reinvigorated my spirit to let me know, no,
I do belong and I can do this. And because
of that that when I retired, and that's the money
that I live on to this day. Hearing my name

(00:44):
called as a starter, that let me know that, which
is another lesson that I teach the young guys and said, man, look,
the work that you do in the dark, God will
position you in the life. Just keep working through the
best that you can do while you're here, because one
day you're gonna die. You don't get to hit the
reset button. You don't want to be your deathbed wishing
for more time.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Thirty years from now, when my daughter's married, lord willing healthy,
I'm just gonna wish I could go back to when
my bank account bounced and my daughter was too. That
is perspective. My kids are gonna have hundreds of hours
with Daddy amen for the rest of their life. Yeah, man,
And they're gonna see my mistakes. They're gonna see when
I was like passionately wrong about something. Twenty years later,

(01:23):
but they're gonna see it all.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
To walk into a hospital and see your child hooked up,
crying saying Daddy helped me, and there's nothing that you
can do.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
I'm a contract for parlor, so I don't I'm not employed,
I don't have a w two. Yeah, I have a
creator contract. Nice and so they fly me into Detroit
to use the studio for my show.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I retired in Detroit.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Did you know that I did a little research, Yes, sir,
all right, yeah, and so I Lincoln Park. It's fifteen
minutes south of the city. That's where I live. Like literally,
we get downtown in like thirteen minutes nice, and so
that's where we live, two kids, married, and literally I
love Isaiah so much that I tried to poach him,
Like I was literally trying to figure out how to
pay him myself to do my show when I'm not here. Yeah,

(02:10):
and so we're we're figuring that out. We're going to
make it happen. We're gonna make it happen.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
He can do it, Definitely, can do it. Yeah, definitely
do it absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, make sure everything's great. Yeah. So I'm
I'm yeah, I'm blessed.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
This is even the fact, Like, so I saw insurance
U Yeah, and then now I have a get flown
out to do interviews.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
And that's beautiful. Man. How did you build up your.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Practice for the insurance of the podcast?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
For the insurance? I know what product.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Calls in person businesses, twenty businesses a day, hundred a
week for three months in a row.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
That's a hustle.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
And that's how I got a book.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
That's a hustle.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I had no connections in Michigan. The way at Flack works.
They don't give you leads. You have to find them,
and they don't pay you. It's one hundred percent commission,
and so I was getting I started in June of
twenty eighteen. I was getting married in September of twenty eighteen,
and so I had three months to prove in my
wife I could make an income to a one hundred
percent comission. And I just finished serving on an evangelistic team.

(03:11):
We traveled across the country doing Irish music.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
So you know I play Irish mandolin, you know I Yeah,
I just tried the acoustic guitar a little bit. Yeah,
and so, but we made one hundred and fifty bucks
a week for two years. Okay, So I had no money.
I spent ninety seven percent of my cash on her
engagement ring.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
So when she married me, I had two hundred and
eighty dollars in my bank account, and our first month
of marriage in September, we made three hundred dollars basement
apartment Lincoln Park, and then we just started slowly climbing out.
By a year later she was working with me, and
then now she does real estate and we have two kids.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Does she do real estate and insurance? No?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
She left insurance. Of twenty twenty, COVID kind of came in.
We had his also mentum COVID kind of came in
and reset things a little bit for us. Michigan was
really tough. Whim We're kind of cracked down. It was
like California and Michigan were very similar when it comes
to so a lot of businesses closed down and then
a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, so that's what made when I saw when COVID,
When I saw COVID coming, and this has nothing to
do with me, this was all God. I was already
moving in the space of digital assets, and that's what
really carried me through all of that.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
What do you mean by that? For our listeners that
might not know what that means.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
So what I'm saying is you you have websites and
products and things of that nature, like things that I
created that I own. So most people when you know
they like, for instance, if you do commercial real estate,
right when COVID takes place, that shuts that down. You
can't get in front of people, you can't do certain things.
But on digital real estate aspects, for instance, if I

(04:48):
do a webinar or a livestream, I have a product
or have a training course, right, those to me, that's
digital assets, right assets and things they put money in
your pocket by by trade, right, So I started operating
in that space. And that's the thing. The products is
the thing that started carrying the business. And then once
I was able to align myself with what my purpose
is my proficiency in my calling. When I merged those two,

(05:11):
that identified the purpose. And that's how I moved into
the back into the athlete space. Because I left athletes
were getting on my nerves still, and it ain't gonna
lie to you their mentality. It was the professional athlete
because I understand them and I understand the mentality, and.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I didn't want to be by How long were you
in the league?

Speaker 1 (05:25):
About ten years? I retired year ten?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Okay, what year was that?

Speaker 1 (05:28):
When you're twenty seventeen, when inn and eight came out
in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
What position? For those that don't know, offensive line all
of them offensive.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Left to right, tack or all throughout the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
You have a favorite team? You played for New Orleans?
What made it special?

Speaker 1 (05:44):
That was the first place that I've ever been to
where everywhere I woke up, I seen myself that city.
Right when I went downtown, I seen me. When I
walked into a restaurant, I saw me when I walked
into the hospital, I saw me and the love, the
genuine love that they have not just for the team,
but for you as a human being. I really had

(06:06):
never experienced that before in professional sports. So I can
go to places and of course they love you. You're
oh you're my favorite player, right. Oh, I saw you
this or I saw you that. But when you go
into New Orleans and say, hey, baby, you ain't had
no need since you got back from that again, come
and shit down here. You're gonna put up the coffee
there too. Faith for you if you able to sit
down right here, Mama got you? You want that? Cool though?

(06:26):
You want that? Third? How you want it?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
It is different.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's love, Yeah, it's love. So I love I love
the people there. I love that city. It embraced me
and embraced my children. So by far, easy, easy answer, and.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
What up to? What are you up to now? Just
I want to start there so people know who you
are real quick now, and then we'll kind of backtrack
because I love hearing stories.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
M H.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I have a lot of entrepreneurs that listen to my show.
That's what it started as as an entrepreneurial show. And
if you're entrepreneurs in Michigan. It's kind of blossomed into
like you called it on this drink, you know, is
it good?

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay, perfect? So like what do you do now? And
I know you have a couple of things going on
and then we'll go from there.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, it's all aligned, like now everything to me. So
I just made I made forty in November and so
forty and then he break, Isaiah Joseph shought out to
my man. I j right. He break number for forty
represents transformation. So it's funny because that's when everything that

(07:28):
I started doing started to come together and I started
seeing certain things. And one of the main things that
I had always asked God was what is my purpose
on this planet? And so there was a man that
I was listening to on YouTube named Myron Golden, and
he said that your purpose is found at the intersection
of a proficiency in your calling. So for him, it
was just a lesson that he was teaching. For me,

(07:51):
it absolutely transformed my life, and so I went on
that journey. So when you say what am I doing now,
I'm teaching people how to identify their purpose, to position
themselves to be able to operate in their full power.
Now the tools that I'm using to do that insurance industry.
I wrote books, public speaking, those things, right, but that

(08:14):
is what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Were you, uh so what I want to do? Because
you're the first professional athlete I've ever had on the
show now and I listen, and when oh My texted
me because I asked her, was like, hey, I don't
know many people in Dallas, Like I'm trying to fill
Friday up. Who you know you were like number two?
I think, yeah, and like I'm got to work hill.

(08:41):
I don't remember who number one is. I think it
be Lose No, No, it was a doctor Cheryl.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Okay, I'm good. I'm good with that. I'm totally good
with that. She's phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, she's great. She was supposed to come on, she
is going to come on and and then I'm thinking
I'm going on there to whatever. But I I saw
your name. I know that name, like I've seen that
before another kid like oh yeah, And so I did
some research, but you're the first professional athlete ever runs
podcast awesome, And I was kind of trying to figure
out where I wanted to go because the way I am,

(09:10):
I don't really script questions good and uh, I personally
have so many questions, but there's so many things I
want to cover. But I wanted to start in the
league first because I don't know anything about the league,
and I know that you help right now.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
You do help athletes, correct, mostly any athlete, but mostly
our target market is collegiate athletes, high school and collegiate athletes.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
And how do you help them? Just so I make
sure I understand how you help them?

Speaker 1 (09:34):
First? Yeah, So decision making right, there's a book in
the book, there's a burst in Proverbs that says, to
you know, teach to teach subtility and give the youth
discretion and wisdom. So that's where I teach them at right,
to be able to make better choices, better decisions, because
decisions dictate everything. Right. And it's funny enough when you

(09:55):
look at the Latin term for the word decision to
see day here they means to cut, they means offer from.
So you're literally cutting off or cutting from anything that
doesn't align with your purpose. That's what most of these
kids are missing because they're still trying to find themselves
and they're being thrown a bag of materialistic you know
things that allow.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Did you have someone like that in your life?

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Did I have someone like that the Bible? I had coaches?
But when you talk about this in depthness, this comes
from experience, This comes from spending time with God. This
comes from failure right, falling forward, feeling a lot, felling
often right, and feeling in many ways right. And when
I say failure, not in the sense of like, oh
I failed, what was me like? No, failure in the

(10:38):
aspect of that didn't go the way that I intended.
I am the cause of that. I take responsibility for it.
I learn from it, and then I get up and
keep moving. And then from there the Bible is my
source to show me where I error. And so now
I have a decision. Do I accept that aspect of

(10:59):
what it is that I did that caused me to
move in that direction? And do I make the change?
Do I make the pivot or do I make excuses
I can't do both? Right?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Do you have like, would you mind sharing any of
those moments that you're talking? Absolutely, I'm an open yeah,
because I think I think, I mean, there's a lot
of people that would benefit from someone that I mean,
anyone that makes it to the league. Yeah, you're the
top yeah, zero point one percent of athletes in the world. Yeah,

(11:29):
and then to have the humility to come on and
just chat through. Like, man, I struggled with this. I
mean that if you had someone that came to you
like a mentor that deep like that what you're doing,
how do you think that would have changed your path?

Speaker 1 (11:43):
It would have changed my path. I would have become
a different person because I would have made different decisions. Right.
So the thing is, if you this is why I
don't believe in having regrets, regardless of how anything turns, out, right,
I don't. I don't believe. I don't believe in the
word regret because every thing that you've ever done in
your life has caused you to become the person that

(12:04):
you are. So it's like the butterfly fact. Right, if
you remove one thing, just one thing, everything everything around
you changes. And I like who I'm becoming and I'm
still doing the work. You know. That's one of the
reasons I'm talking about when I when I come across
stuff like this, I'm like, I got to write about this.
I wrote a book call The Alignment of Belief in Becoming.
I'm still becoming the person that God intended me to be.

(12:26):
There's no there there. It's an ever ending journey. Yeah,
you know, it's always growth, it is. That's the fun part.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, and then the fun part of getting to that
point where you can start giving back and teaching those lessons.
And that's what you're doing now. Correct.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
That's where we're at now.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
So walk me through. Where'd you get drafted?

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I got drafted in two thousand and eight by the
Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Okay, where'd you want to go if you had a choice?
Does that happens? Is? Like, I'm sure every Is it
like I just want to get drafted? And man, if
I could draft it, I'm happy? Or is it like
I want to get it? I kind of want to?

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah? So funny enough, I firmly believe that I was
going to San Diego, Okay, right, And the reason I
believe that is there was a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
The offensive line coach was Texas native. I spoke to
Nerve Turner. We sat in his office and went over
plays and all of these particular things. And then the
the stamp of approval was, hey, man, you kind of
just sit back on draft day, We're gonna go ahead.
And take you in the third round. That told, I
was told. So when we get to I keep that

(13:26):
to myself because in my mind, I'm going third round,
you feel me. So I'm like, all right, So I
thought I'm good. So here's what happens. Now, here's how
here's how the greed kicks in a little bit right
when you're looking at this cause you're like, all right,
all right. So Jake Long, okay, he won, He won
the Island Trophy. I was. I was a finalist. I was.

(13:47):
I was in the best offensive line in the country.
Kevin Banks just wanted for Texas and so I was
a top five finalist for that, right. So I'm like, okay,
I probably know I'm not gonna win this award, but
I was there. He went first round, so I know
I got third in the bag. Who I slip? Is
there a way for me to slip into this first

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and second round? So we go through it, and you know,
they start grabbing tackles. I'm like, okay, they're getting the
guys after the boards. I know, Brandon Albert winning, Jake Long,
some of those guys, all right, So now they ain't
go it didn't happen. I'm all right, so here we go.
Third round. I'm all right, this is my right.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
It went warm up to the clause coming through right now,
you know what I meant the phone next to me.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
And so we're going through. I'm like, oh, that's cool
that they're not at that pick. They're not at that pick,
you know. So then we two picks out right, So
I'm like, all right, here we go, get ready to
get jack. That's it. Yeah, the first pick goals. I'm like,
all right, we're good. Were good. Next pick goes, all right,
this San diego, hewy, y'all just wanted to let you.
And with the third pick, such and such said they
are gonna Chargers draft Jacob Hester. Who the hell is Jacob?

(14:51):
Who is Dylan? Who is Jacob Hester?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
They starting a soccer player.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
This dude is is an undersized full back out of LS.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
He sounds by the way, I just imagined this. So
that's perfect.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
No, man, you had a great career, brother, congratulations. Right,
God had other plans, right, And so I'm like, oh, dang,
what happens now? So now you just sit back. Boom
that happened. Another guy gets going, another guy's get going.
I'm all the way in the fourth round, and I'm like,
I don't know what's happening. And so I'll never forget

(15:24):
this because it's hindsight. When I was at in Indianapolis
for the the Combine, I didn't do any of the workouts.
I did all the workouts for my protect because I
had broke my ankle that year and so but I
remember being in the the meeting room with coach Tomlin. Yeah,
and we were like just really vibing, and they were

(15:44):
asking me a lot of questions and all of those
type of things, and so it was a really great meeting.
So as the fourth round comes, I get a call
from a four to one to two area code. I'm like,
I don't know four one two, so I I can
pick up the phone. Tony Hills. I'm like, yeah, it's
like you ready to be a stealer. I'm like boom

(16:06):
tears right because I'm like, okay, here we go. So
with the one hundred and thirtieth pick in the fourth
round of Pittsburgh, Stiller select Tony Hills tackle a lot
of Texas. Here's the thing. I'm so glad San Diego
didn't draft me, because you want to know what happened
in eight and o nine as a rookie, I walked
right into a super Bowl championship. So shut out to

(16:28):
all my bates and wait, yeah, I appreciate the work
y'all put in. But again, you know the word that
comes from that story, alignment. God had me in the
right place at the right time to have that experience.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
That team was Ben Roethlisberger.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
That beths No, he wouldn't. He came in ten. That
would have been my man. Navy Boo shot out to
Nate Washington. Hines wolf Ton.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Boy always smiled, right, don't think I remember how's ward?
He's always smiling. Yes, yes, yeah, that hair is beautiful.
Listen it is, man, it is gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Let me tell you about Troy though, I'll tell you
a story about Troy. Troy is the reason, honestly why
as an athlete I didn't become a statistic m M financially.
When I was in my rookie my second year. My
second year, Troy sat me down. He was like, hey, man,
you need to put your money up. I was like, what,

(17:30):
what's wild is?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
That's actually what it is, a massive dude, And when
he speaks you're.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Like oh yeah, one of the But he is a
beautiful spirit. Troy is a beautiful man. Like when you
when Troy walks into the room, you feel your spirit calm, right,
because that's just who he is. He's he's always been
that way. On the field, it's a whole different story,

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but in the room, it's like that. And so he
he kind of gave me. He was the one that
gave me some insight because I struggled my rookie year. Man,
I don't know what's going on, and so he gave
me some insight about his and just connected to me.
Here's the thing about that. He didn't have to do that.
You know, this guy's married, he's tp you know what
I mean, Like he got kids of his own. And
he sat down after after practice, like way after practice,

(18:17):
and we vibed over connect four yeah right, and we
just played for hours and he kind of reinvigorated my
spirit to let me know, no, I do belong and
I can do this. And then from there that's how
we got into the money situation. And it was because
of that that when I retired and I started you know,
doing certain things that now all of the money that
I had put up started paying me back, right, And

(18:39):
that's the money that I live on to this day.
So if it wouldn't have been for him giving me
that information, who knows where I'm going to because we
don't know these things. I don't know that, you know
what I mean. We learned these things later.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, And all it takes is one injury or one
thing too and life can I mean you think of
how many athletes like I think of like the NBA,
I'm a big NBA guy, Brandon roy Like Brandon roy Man,
he was o beast I mean yea, yeah, and like
it just takes one of two things that just completely
derail your career. What was a better highlight for you,
like if you had like what was like the more

(19:13):
like holy crap moment here in your name on draft
day when need a super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Actually, the holy crap moment was hearing my name called
as a starter. Yeah, when I when my third year
in the league, I was I came out as a
starting right guard for Pittsburgh and hearing my name called
emotional man coming out of the tunnel having all thousands

(19:41):
of because I've had that feeling at Texas And it
took me two and a half years to get it again. Right. Yeah, Now,
circumstance made it short lived, but I had right, And
so that would have been because that that let me
know that, which is another lesson that I teach the
young guys, and that man, look, the work that you
do in the dark, guy will position you in the light.

(20:03):
Keep working, Keep working.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
That was like a you belong moment.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well it's not only you belong, it
was it was the work that you did was not
in vain.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
All work work was all worth it.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
All work works, absolutely, it was all worth it. And
so I would say that would be the biggest moment. Look,
you win a national championship. That's beautiful. Man.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
I'm like, hey, man, like, look, so how do I
top this?

Speaker 1 (20:26):
You know what I mean? And you come back three
years later you win the Super Bowl. And here's the
thing that has has me tied to a lot of
my guys that I played with. In two thousand and seven,
Aaron Ross and the New York Giants won the Super Bowl.
In two thousand and eight, we won in Pittsburgh. In
two thousand and nine, my man David Thomason in one
in New Orleans, and then in twenty ten, we went back,

(20:46):
but we lost to Green Bay, but Jamichael Finley was
on that team. So we had a run where Texas
players from seven to twenty ten all became world champions.
These are all the guys that I played with. These
are all the guys that I went to battle with.
These are all the guys that I want a national
championship with. Right Like, just being in that group and
being in that circle and just being aligned with those

(21:08):
individuals and hearing those individuals speak, it does something to
you intrinsically. It puts you in a different world mentally
as well. So those are some of the lessons and
things that I've learned in those particular spaces.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
When you played, and did you have a person on
the defense that you were like when I like the
like he was the hardest person. James Harrison, James.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
James, I could say that unequippedly. I've I've practiced and
played against Cameron Wake, I've played against Rob Nikovich. I've
played against Howie Long's son, Chris Long. I've played against
some guys bro But James Harrison is a freaking anomaly
because he gonna hate me when I say this. He's
not six feet James, You're gonna if you catch this,
you could get this and Bro, we'll yeah, yeah, you

(21:54):
could be mad. You could be mad at me if
you want to. I love you, big bro. But but
he had built in leverage, right. First of all, he's
a phenomenal player. Secondly, he works. I mean you see
him now, he's almost fifty. Bro, he's doing all of
these pushing thousand pounds sleds bentioning you know, three hundred
and fifteen pounds for sex at almost fifty, right, So
what do you do with that? You know? And so

(22:17):
he would be the one that gave me fits, but
he's also the one that gave me in a different
type of work ethic because when I was in Pittsburgh,
he was like, Hey, Rookie, we're gonna answer here. Get
that speed machine. We're gonna do this in the sauna.
I said, Bro, we' finna do cycling in the sauna
with sweat pants on, and yep, you going first?

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, yeah, rookie.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Right. So, but watching him being around with him, and again, man,
the thing that I love about that team is that
these guys were established dealing like these guys, you know,
Casey Hampton, ten year pro Poalomlo eight year pro. Ike
Taylor seven to eight year pro. Like all of these
guys double digit are close to the digit years. James Ferry,

(23:01):
who we call Patzi, fifteen years as a as a
middle linebacker in the NFL. So like when we did
the Man, and then you got dig Lebow. Coach Lebau
one of my favorite coaches, seventy years old, fifty years
of experience, I think, with twelve or thirteen as a player,
another thirty forty as a coach man, you could not
help but want to elevate yourself because you didn't want

(23:24):
to let these guys down based off the work that
you saw them doing. And you coming in with fresh
eggs and a young mind. You better follow suit because
the train gonna run without you. It's gonna run. You're
gonna either get on it. You're gonna get ran over
by it, or you know what I mean, it's gonna
run through you.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, because I want to ask you about that, because
you kind of alluded it to it a little bit.
But like athletes go from being in college being the
man in the star, yeah, and then all of a sudden,
especially in football like basketball, it's a little bit different
because the teams are smaller, and a lot of times,
if you get dropped in the first round, you're probably
gonna play right. You might not get the ball, but
you're still gonna. You're gonna, You're gonna see the core.
Football is not necessarily like that. If you don't get
even if you do get drafted the first two rounds,

(24:02):
it's not locked, you know what I mean? Like and
sometimes teams draft three years ahead all that kind of stuff.
How do athletes get past that? Like I goes, I
was the guy. Game plan was for me, like I
had saying in what we do, and now all of
a sudden, I'm just a fly on the wall and
no one get a crap about me. Like it's just

(24:24):
like I know, I know, I'm exactly, but like, how
how do athletes really kind of like that has to be.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Hard, right, You got to leave your ego at the
door before you walk into it. You haven't proven anything
at this level. And I think that's what happens, not
just in sports, but that's what happens in life. People
take on this mentality of they've done something somewhere else,
so therefore they should be treated a certain way. When
they walk into a different space. Nobody knows you, bro,

(24:48):
nobody knows you Sis. You have to bring that value again.
You have to reinvent yourself again until your value becomes
something and you've done something and executed something at such
a level in multiple places to where now your value
carries you. Right. So it's a hard though, it is,
and that's the reason why you have people flame out, right,

(25:11):
And there has to be a love for what you do.
Like man, the game of football. Man, Like I've said
this before in another podcast. Man, but football was my father.
Football My father wasn't in my life. He didn't raise me.
Football did because in that it taught me about adversity.
It taught me about how to overcome adversity. It taught

(25:32):
me about perseverance. It taught me how to listen to
the message and not the messenger. I know a lot
of you know, you know, in the black and brown community,
there's a big thing with how you talk to us, right,
But the reality is is that and I know, I
know I can see it now because see my business partner,
not like, oh you don't say that, but I gotta

(25:54):
say it. You say, as a man, there's a certain
way that you have to carry yourself right. You cannot
allow your emotions to dictate your actions. We see a
lot of that sometimes in our female counterparts. That's that's
that's how they're wired. We understand that. But as a man,
that's dangerous. And so because you're you're not listening to

(26:17):
what this particular individual is telling you to get you better.
By the way, he might not be saying it in
a way that's for you or it's helpful, it's just
not palatable, right because is he screaming at me? Is
he cussing at me? You just talk to me like that,
but you're not listening to what he's saying. He's telling
you something because he believes in you. And one of

(26:38):
the things my coaches told me because I was that way,
I'm speaking from my own experience, like, Bro, like you
talking to me like that again, Bro, I'm gonna slap
the taste out your mouth. And my coach had to
set me aside and sayd while you're so busy holding
on to that pride and that arrogance, you're missing the
message of what he's telling you to get you better.
Because you said you wanted to go to the next
level Now you might not like the way that he

(26:59):
presents himself, but he has already proven that he can
get people to the next level. So next time, decide
where you want to be. Do you want to be
the person that, yes, you can physically overpower this person,
but you'll no longer be a part of this team.
Or do you want to be the person that swallow
your pride and swallow you? And I'm so glad I
got that lesson because as you elevate, you're going to

(27:20):
come across all different types of people in life. You
cannot react the way that your environment caused you or
format at your mind to act when you're in different environments.
You have to understand how to adapt.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Right, do you think some coaches intentionally go overboard to
test to test you. Yes, and then even when it
comes to just mindset and game right, games are stressful,
so they're going to put you I think of a
little bit like the Marine Corps boot camp. Right, they're
screaming at you because when gunfire is going over your head,
you got to focus, you know, and you can't worry
about Oh they're shooting at me, Oh poor me, Like

(27:54):
you got to get past this.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Tell me to get down, and you didn't say it
in a nice way, right, Like, bro, the bullets are flying.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Like nice letter, Right, James Harrison is coming at me.
It doesn't matter now. So do you think some of
the nicest like, are there coaches that are actually really
nice guys? But man, when it's go time, they're just
yelling at you and there's like a switch that happens
or is it generally kind of like you can kind
of tell the coaches that have the personality.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
I mean it's a little bit of both, man, I think,
because you're dealing with humans. Right, So you had the
real good coach. One of the best coaches that I
ever had offensive line coaches. I ever had a couple
of them. One of them was Sean Coogler. Right. The
reason I liked him is because he would teach you technique,
but at the end of the day, it's like, Bro,
you whoop his ass, period and we're good. Right. Coach Callahan,

(28:40):
Bill Callahan. He was a technician and I had never
seen somebody control the sideline with the amount of calmness
that he did. So like you would we would be
in the game, and like you want to you want
to be there for your team. You don't want to
mess up, but you make a mistake and like you like,
I know, I got to get over this. But this
is eating at me, man, because we lost two because

(29:00):
I missed that block. And he comes and sit down
and he's making the adjustments and then he passed you
on the leg and be like, hey, I'm gonna need
to get past that play man. You got a whole
bunch of other players where youre gonna whoop this dude on.
It's like, man, you don't you don't see that at
this level. But what it does is is it shows
you his leadership style and it makes you want to
play for him that much harder because you don't want

(29:22):
to let him down. Right. So so yeah, and then
you got some coaches that just I'm a dicky. You're
just gonna have to deal.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
With it, and that's what kind of always So I'm
a Detroit Lion fan Dan Campbell. Ah right, what would
it be like for you to have Dan Campbell as
a coach.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I'll run through the wall for him. I met Dan
when he was a player. I was a rookie when
he was thinking about no. I was a rookie in
Pittsburgh when he was I believe he was still in
Detroit at the time. He was still playing, and so
you know, I was able to ask him certain questions.
But like the way that he is man.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Absolutely, Why don't you think more coaches are like Dan
and like and because it I think for me, you know,
I'm a thirty year old dude, and let's just say
I'm a really good coach and I have a twenty
five year old man sitting there.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Like, I just feel like the play is to treat
them with respect and to like how Dan does, how
Callaghan does. But you do have the coaches that are
the hot heads that feel like they get Matt Patricia. Yeah,
Lions fans know that that's a swear word. Yeah around Detroit.
Yeah yeah, yeah, we don't. We don't like that guy
at all. And like and you and Darius Lay will

(30:28):
tell you exactly how that man treated all of them, yep,
And it doesn't work. No, And so why do you
think more coaches aren't like Dan?

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I believe that it's again, it's about your environment. But
also Dan has experience as a player, so I know
how to treat my players because I can take myself
back to that experience of me being a player, right,
most coaches can't do that. I can only do what

(30:58):
I was taught, and it's been great coaches, right, But
I can only do what I was taught and what
I saw win games. So therefore from their mentor so
I'll take on their personality. Right. So now you look
at Mike Tomlin by far, one of the best head
coaches that I've ever had, right, But Mike Tomlin comes
from the Tony Dungee tree. So Mike Tomlin coaches a
different way, right, which is the reason why. And I

(31:21):
don't care what nobody says. One of the greatest coaches
of all time easily. No, I haven't had a losing
season yet.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
And Tony's and I know Tony's a Christian, correct. I
would love to get him on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Man, you you be that'd be amazing.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
I respect that guy so much. He strikes me as
a calm leader coaches. He is that how he.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Was well from what I've heard from people that play
from Absolutely he Mike's the same way Mike LEAs Mike.
I think Mike has his moments. Well. No, so here's
how Mike is. I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna show
you the parallels and the differences, the parallels based off
of just the books that I've read on time Tony
and then some people that have played for him. Right,

(32:03):
Tony leads with love. Right, He's a leader of men,
but he leads with love. Mike is a leader of men.
He also leads with love, but his love is led
with accountability. Right. So like like listen, two, you got
two gunfighters. Gunfighters get shot, right and the next man upright,

(32:24):
no excuse, you better be ready, So no excuses, no explanations,
only results. Like he gonna call you out, but then
he also gonna call you out because you get the
feeling he's not calling you out to embarrass you. He's
calling you out because I believe in you. You're not
playing to the standard, because the standard is not changing,
and I know that you can play to the standard.
That's the reason why you're here, so I need. I'm

(32:46):
going to help you, right, I'm gonna coach you because
he loves to coach. I'm gonna coach you on understanding
how to remove that limiting belief that you have by yourself,
by whoever put it there, so that you can overcome
that to become the best player that you can be,
because when you become better, we as a whole become better. Yeah. Right,
That's that's how Mike was right or is And so

(33:09):
I have never and and I had a real good
coach with Coach Brown. Coach Brown has a lot of
similarities in that space, but I had never seen it
done at the level like coach Tomlin.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Last coaching question. Move on. This is fact I want
you to know for me. Surreal moment for me. Yeah,
because like I grew up watching football. I love it,
and so to actually be able to like hear the
names you're talking about. I see this guy's on TV,
you know, and now I'm like I get it inside.
This is incredible. Like I'm really I'm like wrapped up
in this right now. So like, thank you. This is
incredible for me. And there's been a couple of surreal

(33:42):
moments like this. For me. Is when I interviewed Danika Patrick.
I watched her race and do Go Daddy commercials and
all this stuff, and all of a sudden she's sitting here.
I was like surreal. And then all of a sudden
I get to talk to athletes and obviously doctor on myia.
If you guys hear anyone laugh in the background, I
got doctor Omi sending back there audience exactly. And why
don't you drop names?

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:04):
But whatever your worst coach, well you can't drop the name.
But I don't care. What was the biggest personality difference
from your best coach, your worst coast.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
The worst coach that I ever have. And I'm not
gonna give them clout. But there's a lack of respect. Yeah, yah,
you're not getting no You're not getting no cloud, you
getting no name from me. There's a lack of respect.
Like at the end of the day, man, what you
got to understand is that we're men. And so the
one thing that our locker room is built off of
a few things, but one of the things that it's
built off of that it is huge, is trust and respect.

(34:38):
So if I feel like I can't trust you, and
I feel like you're disrespecting me, and you're disrespecting me
intentionally for me, right, that doesn't work. So therefore it's
best for me not to be here because I know
for a fact that if we remove you from this

(34:58):
position of power and we put us in a different environment,
you're not gonna act that way, and and and and
you know that I know that you're not gonna act
that way, right, Yeah, So I can't respect those type
of coaches, right, the ones that try to put on right.
Just be who you are, bro. Yeah, like and and
and athletes, we feel that we feel that we're gonna

(35:20):
go do our job anyway because we got family to
take care and we're getting paid, you know, and show up,
show up. But there is a thing where sometimes when
it comes to that extra push you might not get,
you might not give that. I've seen that with players
where it's like, yeah, you know what I mean, Like

(35:41):
I've seen.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Detroit there you go like we'd like let people walk
in the end zones, like I'm tackling this dude sucks now.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
But but now look at what they do with coach
coach Campbell. Right, you got bro listen, you got guys
playing with no ligaments.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
There's a reason why we lost thirty to five last year.
I mean, they don't care, dude, They're gonna walk in
gunfire man. Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, I don't like the
injuries that really hurt us. Yeah, do you do? Are
you a fan of a team like, do you have
like a fandom like you cheer for this team?

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Nah? Players, I'm I am pro player. Bro.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Who's your favorite players in the league right now?

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Hmm, well one of my One of them is my
guy he just retired, Man to ront Armstead. And the
reason being is I'm biased because I played with him,
but I saw his journey of battling injuries. One of
the toughest guys you ever meet. Man, this guy was
injured every year but somehow found a way on bone, knee, capped,
torn ligament, here, strain this, torn that, and he's still

(36:42):
out there battling every single week to the best of
his ability. I'll never forget and forgive me if you
don't want this story out, but I never forget. When
I was in New Orleans, I was the backup tackle
the New Orleans and I used to mess with him.
I called him Miss the Glass. I was like, Bro,
this is the best place I could have ever been.
You're gonna You're gonna give me at least six So
we joke about that, but I'll never forget Man. He

(37:05):
had uh. He was gone about a week and I'm like,
the hell is t So I text him and he
was overseas getting you know, PCP shots so that he
could come back to play. Like so when I tell you,
and he's a he's younger than me, so when I
tell you the mentality that he had, like you, it's
hard not to root for players like that. When we

(37:27):
look at the players that are active. Me, I'm always
in the interior, man, you know, I like I like
the interior guys. I like Trey Smith. We just got
paid real big, right, So I'm happy for him. You know.
I like Jordan Malado, that's how you said his last name.
Mal He's he's the left tackle for the Philadelphia the

(37:49):
dog dog. I love the way he plays.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
I love what do you think makes him special?

Speaker 1 (37:55):
His one two? Yeah? You know. And then culturally, man,
those guys, you know, I played with a lot of
Tongans in some moments, so culturally, man like, they just
only know how to do things in that game one way, right,
and it's infectious, right, It's infectious. Uh. So I like him.
I gotta give my guys on the defensive side some

(38:17):
love too. Man. This guy's been around for a while,
but uh, David, he used to play for the for
the Buccaneers, vonte Levante. David Yeah, man, I love to
see I love to see how he's continuing to progress.
Even though he's an older guy. He's always looking to
get better. Yeah. So you got guys like that. The

(38:38):
young kid that's in Philly, now, I forget his name.
He was the defensive end.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Uh oh, the swift, some of this swift they just
traded for him. Yeah, listen, I want the lines to
get him.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
They weren't going to get him. Yeah, yeah, they weren't
going to get him.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
But like you know who, I want us to get
Max Crosby.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Can you imagine him and Hudginson on the other side.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I don't want to listen, I'm you want to know.
One of the reasons I knew I was gonna retire
because in the preseason, Uh, we played at Houston Texans.
You know who the Houston Texas drafted that year on
the preseason in two thousand, I was gonna say two.
I was on New Orleans. Then maybe twenty thirteen, twelve
somewhere runner they drafted Jadavion Clowney.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
I got the best hit in college. He just destroyed Michigan.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Correct, I got, I got the best of Jadavion in
the battle, but he was a rookie and I was
like a six seven year pro, so I beat him
with experience. When I felt his power, I said, I
got three years left three.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Two like him out two two or.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Three maybe because if y'all are building them like this,
we're going in different directions. So but yeah, these young guys, man,
uh you know.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
I just they just come out the womb with like
muscle tone.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Bro, like, come on, man, like Miles Garrett.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I'm pretty sure their moms are doing steroid shots. It's
like listen, man Freddy.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Or or grinding up the placenta and feeding it to
them with the brest field. It's something going on.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Man, Like how Miles spaghetti?

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Don't Miles Garrett look like he was concocted in the
same laboratory that Captain America was? Oh yeah, So like, bro,
how do you get like like, how do you get
like this? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
His his arms are bigger than my stomach, and that's
saying something. I'm married in Italian, so this dude is huge.
If there are people even when you walked in, I
don't get into like like I'm like, I look at
myself I'm like, okay, I have a dad bod. It
is what it is. You know. You walk in, I'm like, okay,
I got work to do. Miles Garrett walks in and
jumping out the building like there's nothing you know why.

(40:47):
I mean, it is crazy, there's no other building things.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
It's nuts. Bro. Michael Parsons his quick his quickness and
explosion man like like the way that these guys are
man before he retired. Man like Aaron Donald, Dude, like
how are you moving like this? Yeah? You know what
I mean. You got guys that's three hundred and thirty
pounds running four sixes and four sevens, Like, bro, what
is going on out here? Like these guys are manufactured

(41:11):
in labs, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Especially football is unique because basketball action's going, action's going.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
But with football there's that moment before the snap. Yeah
that everyone's like waiting. What's that moment? Like like what
goes through your head or a player's head right before
that snap and like everything like that calm, like what
are you thinking of? Are you thinking technical? Are you
thinking play? Are you thinking just don't die? Like what's

(41:41):
going through your mind?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Two minute drill? If we didn't ran seventy eighty plays,
you thinking like just hold on for sure, like you
know what I mean now For me, in those quiet moments,
it's it's technique, yeah, making sure you know, I'm talking
to myself, like you know, han hand placement, I level,
get off the ball, know, get there, get there, get there,
get to the point. You know. It's those type of things.

(42:05):
And the reflection point after the game is over and
you're sitting by yourself right in the darkness, you think
about those moments. Right when I retired, and that was
something else too, Like my story is so different and
I'm so blessed because I got to do what I
loved for so long. I went through the ups and flows,

(42:29):
the ups and downs being a starter and not being
a starter, being on the team for a few years,
being cut for a team, you know, for six months,
Like you know, I got the full NFL experience. But
the one thing that I also got, which I don't,
I don't take for granted. I know it's a blessing,
is that I chose to walk away. I was the
one that said, okay, I'm done right because I still,

(42:52):
like I said, talk about Detroit. I was signed with Detroit.
I had a contract, were ready to go. I was
gonna make the team. I already knew that, but I
just knew it was I wanted to do something else.
A lot of guys dealing don't get to experience that.
I will never forget. I will never forget this young man.
And and and I pray that he's doing well many

(43:14):
many years later. But Mike Heipel was a linebacker out
of Iowa. He was a sixth round pick that came
in with us. STU was he was a maniac when
I and when I mean maniac, I mean he stud
was making plays everywhere and like it was clear to see, like, yeah, bro,
he got he got that that factor and we get
it too. I think it was either the third or

(43:36):
fourth preseason game. This is old school preseason. Yeah, like wedge,
no rule change, you know, all that type of stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
There's no like we're understanding. We're trying to keep it
to the healthy nah.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
And the reason why they loved him is because he
was a L five and L fives on special teams.
For people that don't know, is this the fifth man.
It's the fifth man from the boundary, from the sideline,
the guy that's right next to the ball. They're the
wedge busters. So you put that guy in and you
go straight through and you're running. Yeah, you're running. You're running.
You're you're the gunner that's running. We're not the gunner.

(44:10):
You're the l five that's running to run straight into
two human beings that's running at you.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
To calls chaos like a bulling ball and bullying pens.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
That's it. And he loved it. Well. He goes down
there and this is probably one of his best ones. Dude,
like just I'm like, oh my god, they're dead. Yeah,
they're dead, right, and and he usually gets up and no,
got runs and makes a play. He didn't get up,
and so you know, the game goes on, we get
back or whatever. I see him the next morning and

(44:42):
he has tears in his eyes and I'm like, dang,
he hurt. You know what I mean. Injury is a
part of the game. The tears could have been Okay,
if I'm heard how I'm gonna make the team and
my eyes. I didn't think that they wouldn't grab him
because he was hurt. There. He'll him back, he'll play
because he proved it. His hurt was career ending. So

(45:04):
this man worked this hard, did everything the right way,
played the right way, went to practice the right way,
treated people the right way. All the stuff that you
hear about the things that quote unquote make you successful,
he did it, and in one moment it was all gone.
He tasted what it was going to be like to

(45:25):
be an NFL athlete and in one moment it was
all gone. That that taught me so much. It really did,
because a lot of times we have an expectation that
if we do things quote unquote the right way, it's
going to work out for us, and it sometimes it
just doesn't very much. So early early, so from here

(45:49):
for me to sit in front of you and say
that I played almost a decade in the league, I
don't take that for granted.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Man, It's a blessing.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
It is. Ryan Shazia was a great player, and now
he had to learn how to walk again. You know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
I mean then you have players like Delonte West from
the NBA that he played with some of the greatest
players in the world, and now he struggles with drugs
and is homeless. Yeah, you know, like it. It can
go like that, and that's what you're doing. So you're
trying to help people. Now, Yeah, but the experiences you've
had prep them for Hey, man, it's gonna be harder
than you think. Hey, this is how they're going to

(46:26):
treat you. And then also some financial literacy in there,
trying to help them how to deal with money. Why
do you think so many NFL players, not NFL just
athletes struggle with money?

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Because what nineteen twenty year old knows what to do
with hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars when you
have people that are in their thirty and forty don't
know what to do with a couple of thousand.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah, this is this system set up.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Just it's set up. It's this place is a place
that is set up for consumerism. But here's the thing too,
where you talk about economic elevation, this whole country is
in debt.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
So born in a place to which in your country
don't know how to manage money is probably you're probably
you're probably right. So at least so you're either going
to you're either going to learn about it because you've
come across something or you heard something. You're either born
into certain financial situations to where the parents or the
grandparents or some of that nature understood money and they

(47:19):
teach you, but non schools, you're not gonna get it
from school. No, no, no, no no. I've learned more
from going to networking events and going to seminars, and
I will ever learn from any school. Right. The problem
it is, it is, But I believe that the problem
is intentional because if you look at what college is,
college is a great hustle. Here. You're gonna go, You're

(47:42):
gonna go to this school. You're gonna learn this stuff
that's going to be four years outdated when you graduate.
And then when you graduate, we're going to get a
degree that said you went to this prestigious school. And
then you're going to try to get a job, and
then they're going to tell you, well, you don't have the.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Experience, and then your whole life is just trying to
pay off the debt that you started your life with.
Ain't they're crazy starting your life with debt? By the
guy Eric Finman, he's the youngest bitcoin millionaire ever. At
twelve years old, his grandma gave him one thousand dollars
he invested in a big cooin was ten dollars and
so he's only like twenty five and he just I

(48:14):
mean he is like he doesn't have to work anymore. Yeah,
And so we were talking about this yesterday, okay, and
we were just talking about how the system is set
up to snag you in debt before you even break
from the home.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
That's because that's how the that's how everyone makes place. Well,
that's how this place makes money, right when you look
at when you look at We were just having a conversation.
I forget the young man's name that John Willis, Yes, John, Yeah,
so he was he was getting ready to We were
having a conversation. We were talking about the Argentinian president

(48:51):
and the things that.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
He yeah, just cutting yeah right, yeah, So why.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Would he do something like that and see this success
and his people see this success. So that means you
have a proof of concept. You could literally go to
this person, right, you would think, but that's not that's
not so. You would have to read a book called
The Creature of Jeckyll Island. And if you read that book,
within that book, it would give you the understanding of

(49:16):
what happened to why they why the banks wanted to
move the dollar from the gold standard.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
That was Nixon, right, I think it was Nixon that
made that.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Yeah, well no Nixon. Nixon was the person that put
it that, that allowed it, but he wasn't the people
that put it into play. Right. So that's the whole
reason about the whole thing that took place at Jackal Island.
So when you started looking at uh JP Morgan job period,
Morgan was in that space.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
But here's the thing. It was interesting and people have
their philosophies, but it was interesting that the people that
were on the Titanic that had economic influence were the
ones that were against removing the money from the gold standard.
You had to have made the money more elastic to
be able to make more of it. If you haven't
connected to the gold then there's only a certain finite

(50:09):
amount of gold. So the currency is what the currency is.
Now it can be whatever we want it to be
because it's what we make it, right, it's our value.
So that's how they had to make the money. So
now that's the debt. So now can you see while
I can while and you got to think about America
as a mass media country, right, well technically corporation, but

(50:30):
mass media, right. So if I can get you to
believe that, the only way that you're going to have
a successful future is by going to college. Then I
got you because I.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Need you're just creating customer base.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yes, yes, And here's the thing, I'm not mad at it.
I really not. Some people. I'm our rate. The hell
would be in our rate. What's the system? Then? How
can I tweak the system to where I take what
you meant for evil to do good? Like the story
of Joseph you know his brothers? Yes, right? How do
I do that? And then how do I not only

(51:06):
do I do that for myself, how do I create
a systematic way of doing that to then teach others
how to do it? Right? So I'm not for me,
I'm not a political person. Right to all the people
out there in politics, man do your thing. I ain't
never had none of these presidents come to my house
at forty five forty five quick road after a PM saying,

(51:28):
hey man, we're gonna just how we're gonna help y'all.
That ain't never happen, right, And so for me, I
just believe that God gave me gifts, hone in on
my purpose and my skill set, and then take these gifts,
create something and then sell that to people. Right. And
then here's the thing about that, Dylan. Everybody can do that,
but most people won't because they're so distracted.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, we talked about we talked about conspiracy theories, the.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Other oh Man be a good show, and I love
I love.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Me a good conspiracy theory. I mean with Titanic, you know,
I mean, it's amazing. JP wasn't on that boat. Shocking.
How do you not get on there? Mister Morgan, It's
kind of crazy, but so I love it. And but
I've been able to look at those as an opportunity
to have some fun, maybe explore some truth, and then
I'm done. Yeah, I don't stay up late freaking out
about us if we on the Yeah. But I've interviewed

(52:23):
like on you know, like I'm ready, No, I love it,
like you know, on My show Man. We've talked about Epstein.
We've talked about FK, We've talked about moon landing. We
talked about atmospheric beasts. You want to get a crazy one.
There's a bunch of translucent beasts. Yeah, the Reptilians, we

(52:43):
got Tartaria. I love all of it, right, I'm like,
it's fun for me, but it has its place, right,
it's like, Okay, I explored this, maybe there's some truth,
maybe there's some not it doesn't change my life. And
I think as a believer, when you believe that there's
a creator and he's the one that's actually pulling the
strings at the end of the day, I'm good and

(53:06):
I think, and I think that is so many people
live in the worry of you know whatever, Like maan,
I'm gonna get a little crazy real quick. Okay, if
this hurts your brand, we can cut the mid nine
to eleven. Kay, if let's just pretend that nine to
eleven wasn't inside job. Let's just pretend I don't I
don't know, I don't really whatever. But people are afraid

(53:27):
to even think that way because if that's true, Like
it's like it's it's paralyzing to think, like, would our
own country hurt our own citizens to gain access to oil?
Maybe I don't know, Okay, but that's a conspiracy. And
there are people that are so anti like, oh, you
don't talk like that, man, there are real people, real Americans.

(53:48):
I was like, because they're afraid of the what if
that's true? And I'm sitting here saying men are depraved
men in our sinful self will do really wicked things.
And when you start there, it's like, man, yeah, people
are people are evil, and that's what when he grace,
that's why, when he Jesus, that's just the reality, and

(54:08):
that's why I can live and explore these topics and
then go to sleep and have dinner with my family
and not you know, not whatever. So, oh, you're getting
a call.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah, no, you can turn that off. Yeah, that's mine.
So it's a it's an alarm.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
That's beautiful. Oh we gotta you got an appointment soon?

Speaker 1 (54:23):
No, no, no, you're good.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah, it's beautiful. That's actually very calming. I like that.
Find a way to use that nine to eleven. All
of a sudden, I'm in zen mode.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I gotta talk about that. You got in zen and
a left. Listen man on the dealing, Listen man on
the deal. In the show man, anything can take place.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We're read.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
You better recognize how we get down. No, but to
your point, man, you know, like a lot of subjects
are are touchy subjects for a lot of individuals because
it causes you to have to peel back layers of
truth and truth is like medicine, it might not always
taste good, but it does heal you. Right, And so
when you ask, you know, what the country do something

(55:03):
to hurt our own people, of there own citizens, it already
has a track record of doing right. There's there's there's
a bunch of there's a there's a group of people, there's.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
A there's something called the Project Orange in the Vietnam War.
Yeah and and yeah, and literally they knew, they knew
that when they sprayed this stuff, that those American soldiers
were going to have life changing effects. But this the
price you pay for war. They said that they oh,
we didn't know, and so like but like there's there

(55:33):
is track record of that happening. But like my point
in this isn't like my life is doomed. Yeah, at work,
I'm freaking out, I'm paralyzed. It's like, no, I'm going
to still take care of my family, love my wife,
love my kids, love my life, and it doesn't change
my outlook.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Correctly, What it is is that what you're speaking to,
I believe, is understanding what are the things that have
an impact on your life and what are the things
that are distractions.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
What you're point saying you're not political. That was my
point in saying.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
This, correct, because my thing is is that distractions, distractions
follow destruction. Right. So if I'm looking at this and
I'm saying to myself, okay, people will say something that
the application of knowledge, right, they talk about knowledge is
power and they oh, no, the application of knowledge is power. Okay, Well,

(56:24):
here's my thought. The Scripture says that my people perish
from a lack of knowledge. So however you want to
do it, learn it or apply it. If you don't
have it, you're gonna die right right right, And so
my thing is is, then why not spend your time
applying yourself to acquire the knowledge that moves the needle

(56:44):
in your purpose. Here's a question that I ask people
that they really have. They stutter and stammer over it,
and it's the simplest question. I look them in their
eyes and I just asked, like, all right, well, who
are you? And that's exactly what they do because they
haven't sat down enough to think about it. But then
here's the problem with that. Now you're trying to figure
out why these things happen in my life, it's because

(57:07):
you don't understand who you are. You don't know who
you are and who you are and who you're supposed
to serve, so therefore you're just doing everything. Oh, that
sounds like an opportunity. That sounds like an opportunity. Here's
a word that I learned very early in my life,
and it's a two letter word with a period. No,
And I don't explain myself because no, it's a complete sentence. Right.

(57:28):
Why do you feel the need to have to explain yourself? Well,
because I don't really know what I'm doing and I
don't want to hurt this person's feelings, so therefore I
need to explain the reason why I'm not going to
do this. But I'm not doing all that that makes
my brain hurt? Hey, can you No? Hey, I was
thinking that this could be aligned with It doesn't, right,
because I know what I'm supposed to be doing.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, I mean, you start your values, you start, you
start at the beginning, you start the base.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
But where do you gain your values from? If you're
asking me, you and I are aligned in this, right, Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. So, like, that's why, like atheist man,
y'all gonna have a hard time. Bro, You're gonna have
a hard time because at the end of the day,
whether you believe it or not, if the scripture says
that in the beginning that is the period of time

(58:13):
God created, that means that God is a creator. And
then he tells us that we are made in his image.
That means that we are people are creators. And then
you have evidence of people creating things that have seen
a wilder amount of success. Amazon ever heard of? Bezos
created something? Right? You look at my man from Facebook,
right created Zuckenberg right created something. Here's a guy that

(58:34):
most people probably don't know, Melvin Nunnery. You want to
know what he did. He created an app cost scholar
Me that allowed high school kids to upload their their
their tapes and highlight tapes so that colleges could see
their tapes even in places where they usually don't recruit. Right,
So he filled a gap need. And so now you
started getting these people coming out of you know, where

(58:56):
the heck is that Alabama? Right? Because I was able
to visually see them. Oh, let me take eyes on
this kid that I didn't know exist. So he created
a whole opportunity. Well, uh, I think it was either
China or Japan got a hold of that and was like, hey,
you know they always advanced. We want that. So they
brought him over there. Somebody got to turn that off, right, right,
we're coming back. So they got him. They got him

(59:16):
over that, right, They got him over there, and they
wanted him to sell it. He created something that they
wanted to sell. He said no, he came back, created scholar,
me International, and Solda to him for a billion dollars.
So when you tell me about creation, that's why I'm
locked in on it because I have I have God

(59:37):
saying this is what I'm supposed to do, and I
got visual evidence to saying that's what I'm supposed to do.
So I'm going to focus on That's That's that's my
point of all of this. Just focus focus.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah, And I think for me, it was really funny
last night. I got into it really crazy. It was
a fun conversation with Time and these these two guys.
We were having a blast. They were like, they were like, bro,
it is so much to believe that the world is fat,
flat and that space doesn't exist than there is to
believe that there's a God. And I'm like, I look
at him like they were like on the spectrum. We're

(01:00:10):
talking about spectors earlier. I was like, are you sure
your mammy and tell you something you're supposed to be
a little earlier in life. Yeah, you're in fourth grade
and you're thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
And so I look at him and I just said,
you're telling me it is easier to believe that there's
no stars, no space, but we're on a flat and
that there's that. They were like, there's like as guard
there's this all over surround. I'm like, that's easier to
believe then that there's a creator that created this and
that loves us, that we matter. I'm like, to me,

(01:00:39):
that's a pretty small leap of faith. What you're talking
about is like, Bro, that's that's some big faith right there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Faith.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah. Yeah, Like and we were laughing, we were having
a good time. But actually one of the guys like
that's a pretty good point. I'm like, dude, you have
more faith than I do. Yeah, you know, like in
a lot of ways. And uh. And they asked me
something else, and I said, my biblical worldview doesn't let
me think like that. And like I just because that's
the foundation for me, Like that's like when it comes
to this show. That's what I try to strive for.

(01:01:07):
You know, you ask me who I am, It's like, man,
I'm a child. I gotta say it by grace. I
want to do it for other people and like that's what.
That's it. And that's why I think with conspiracy theories,
my life isn't unraveling because I'm freaking out that, Oh
Trump just did this, Oh Obama did this. Oh that
I like. I think it's fun sometimes I like like
pushing it a little bit and seeing what people's reactions are.
My wife's always like, man, the line is here, other

(01:01:29):
people tow it, you jump, you know, and I just
don't know. I just I love the I enjoy it.
But you're right. I think when people don't have that identity,
that's what people search for. Yes, But when you can
start there and you can have that foundation, yes, I mean,
life starts working out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
It does. Yeah. And to your point, like one of
the things that I was I was having this conversation
with a buddy of mine and I was telling them,
I was like, you know, I believe the reason why
so many people speak on things that don't won't truly
impact their lives, it's because they really don't understand what

(01:02:04):
life is supposed to be for them, so then they
have to create their lives off of others.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yeah, like live vicariously through these other people.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
That's why the people comment so much.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Yeah right, and as we get so visceral too, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
For you to think that, well, is it dumb for
me to think that way? Yeah? Man, I would never
do such and such. Well have you ever done such? Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
It's like, how man, that dude's such a liar, like
you never even never lie? Yeah, let me ask your mama.
I'm a call her up right now. Yeah, I bet
you're back in a thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
You're lying right now? Right, But to my point, like that,
that's what I'm saying. It's like so many people are
focused on others and not focused on themselves and what
they can do to help their family. Right. And then
two for the people that are putting themselves out there,
like yourself and your team. You know you're doing this show,
you'll put this out is going to get comments. I

(01:02:56):
would say that you guys, which I don't think that
you have this problem, but I was talking to it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
I have a lot of problems.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Well, I was talking to a young lady. And one
of the things she talked about was I said, you'll
you'll do something. You'll have two thousand comments, five thousand likes,
one nine and ninety five people are like, oh my gosh,
this is so great. But the five people, just the
five are the ones that you go to and be like, well,
why would they say that? Oh? Man, So we thrive,

(01:03:23):
We thrive off the victim mentality and the the and
the real goal is to look at the positive, to
see the positive in all things.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Yeah, right, And that's not natural. It's not it's not.
And I'll tell you why. I had a video go
viral on YouTube. I interviewed it. Are you familiar with
the Babylon B at all?

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Babylon B is a Christian satire news like The Onion. Okay,
it's like that. So it's a funny spoof article. But
they're big. I mean, the Babylon B is like, I'm
like multi million million, Like it's big and really big
and getting Christian conservative circles. Uh. And they did an
article on somebody and I'll tell you what it is

(01:04:02):
in a second. I interviewed one of the writers of
the Babylon B that wrote this article, and this article
got the Babylon b account banned from Twitter. At that point,
they probably had half a million followers on Twitter. It's
a big account, you know. Turns out Elon Musk was
a massive Babylon Bee fan and when they got banned
this old Twitter like this is a while ago, you know,
twenty twenty, they made this, they made this article. Anyway,

(01:04:25):
I had this guy on and he told me this story.
And basically the story was he wrote the article that
got the Babylon b banned from Twitter, that caused Elon
Musk to buy Twitter. That story he told in my podcast. Wow,
true story. Yeah, I can believe it. And Elon Musk
called the Babylon Be's like yo, you guys banned, Like yeah,
we wrote this article. Basically, Rachel Levine was the Secretary

(01:04:46):
of Health for the Biden administration. He's a dude pretending
to be a girl, trans dude whatever, and fat, which
is really funny if you're gonna be the secretary of health.
Kind of ironic, Yeah, you know, fat, So this dude
that wore with that was pretending to be a female
one New York Times Woman of the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Year mm hmm. Kind of like, uh, dinner, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Yeah, same concept. Right. So the Babylon Bee, So my
buddy Joel thought would be funny to give him the
Babylon Be's Man of the Year award right after that,
and the whole article was talking about how brave he
was as a man, like a masculine man women like
beating the women out on their own award. So it's
like it was literally like men power, like let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
There's nothing we can't do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
It's like we are unstoppable, bro, you know, it was
the whole article. Yeah you can't. You can't even a woman,
you know. And so this article, but that's the message
that was given, right, And so Twitter said that hate speech.
So they when they posted on Twitter, like you can't
say that hate speech, right, and they're like it's comedy,

(01:05:54):
Like it's funny. Hen the truth. It's just like we're
like we're we make jokes. That's what it's satire. You know,
there's no rules in comedy, asked Chappelle. You know what
I mean? And so like ask Shane Gillis after the spis, right,
like that's what comedy's supposed to be. If you don't
like it, don't watch it. Move on. Grow up okay,
And so they banned them. The Babylon Be Seth Dill
and said no, he's the CEO. He's like, no, we

(01:06:15):
are gonna we will lose our accunt because we believe
in free speech and we believe that comedy should be
like if you don't like, that's what comedy is. And
so when when they got banned, Elon Mustop setting on
their feed on his feet, so he reached out to them.
He called Kyle Man, who's the managing director. And on
that conversation, you know, Elon is you know, probably autistic
and just doing his like oh, I don't know whatever. Yeah,

(01:06:37):
and he's like, man, they moved. They were my movies.
They're doing this, but they're woke stuff in this and
and he goes, I wonder if I should just buy
Twitter on the conversation with the Babylon Be And the
next day is when he posted on Twitter should I
buy Twitter?

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Yes or no?

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
And so is my buddy Joel, who was sitting across
from He told me this story that it was his
article that was kind of the straw that broke the
camel back for Elon must pursuing Twitter. Elon must very
first item that he did when he walked into the
boarderroom holding that kitchen sink. The very first thing he
said is unbanned b M. So anyway, Joel tells his
story about a year ago. It's a year of me podcasting.
I had two hundred subscribers on my channel. Yes, right,

(01:07:16):
and you all want to talk about a servant. I
have two hundred subscribers. My average podcast was getting like
fifteen to twenty views. Joel Barry drove an hour north
to my house to take time away from his family
on a Saturday to spend some time doing an interview
with me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
He's gonna get absolutely nothing from this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
It didn't do anything for his career. I'm a nobody podcaster.
It just so happened. I grew up with his brother, though,
and he did to me as a favor, but he
took it. He did it as a favorite, right, And
that one went viral. Five hundred thousand views on a
ten minute story. Wow, And I mean you're talking like
three thousand comments. And that was my first like viral
moment where it was like it was overwhelming. But I

(01:07:53):
found myself like, oh negative comment, ooh wow, oh negative comment.
There were three thousand positive comments, and it was the
negative ones that were like oh man, yeah, oh man,
and it's is And that video was actually with the
one that I finally was like it kind of like
created the callous Like that was it. That was the

(01:08:15):
callous moment for me. Yeah, and then it released the
next video, ten minutes sigma from that three hundred thousand views.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
And so in two ten minute clips from a podcast,
we had seven hundred thousand views on YouTube. Yeah, and
it was like it was the moment that I think
God was like, if you're going to pursue this career,
the more people that hate you, the better that you're
going to be doing well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Didn't he tell you that, you know, not to be
not to be fearful of the world. Yeah, they hate
you and and talk about you and despise you for
They hated me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
First, Yeah, so like why are we surprised?

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
But yeah, like, bro, listen, they hated an innocent man. Yeah,
I know, I'm not that Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
So like I was like, you can't be much better
than Jesus and they hated him.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Yes, yeah, Like like literally was perfect the models literally
what the walking model of perfection and they still got
them right. So so for me my level, I say this,
and I want to make sure that the context is
there when it comes to the people that I'm aligned
with and that I care about and that God has

(01:09:14):
placed me, you know, just to serve, not over but
to serve. There's a level of care that I care
about you, and there's nothing you can do about it
if you're not in that. There's a level of like
the it gaff that I don't even think. It's like,
it's like X version it gaff, like rocket launching it gaff,
you know what I mean, Like, I don't care, bro,

(01:09:36):
because here's the reality. I'm going to still be a
servant to the people, helping them and changing their lives
and changing the trajectory of their lives with the words
that were spoken. Because words are powerful and they move people. Right,
They're the life and the power of the tongue, and
they that love it should eat the fruit. There were
words move people. So my communication is going to affect
people in a positive light. For you, when you're done

(01:09:58):
typing all of the stuff that you're going to type,
you're still going to be in your mom's basement. And
the only reason why you're there is because you spend
so much time worried about what I got going on,
and I don't even know you. Therefore I'm not even
going to respond. And that's the thing that I've learned
that kills most people when you don't respond, because there's
a level of insecurity to where if you respond to them,

(01:10:19):
then they feel like okay, now one, it's not even
they one. Here's the thing that I figured out, d
When you respond to their negative comments, now they have
a sense of validation because of what you've built. I
feel validated that Dylan spoke to me. It's like a
child that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Wants your attention, Like Daddy responded, yes, right, So.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
I'm doing these things that I'm not supposed to. I'm
depends on well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
I mean earlier, I'm going home tomorrow night. Yeah, anyway,
I got two kids, make it three multiply.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Yeah, anyway, that's it. You know what O Man said,
I've been feeling some Yeah, yeah, if you feel like right,
But but they're they're validated because of something that you've
built that is great and they truly know that. And
so the only way that they're going to be able
to validate valid bringing you down correct correct, bro, and

(01:11:22):
so like, like, I see Ryan Clark deal with this
a lot. And Ryan is a good, a good buddy
of mine. People know who Ryan Clark is, Yes, Ryan Clark, Him,
Channing Crowder, Fred Taylor, great, great dudes. Many they host
the Pivot podcast. He was a safety for the Pittsburgh
Steelers of Washington Redskins play with Troy So talking about

(01:11:43):
career undrafted free agent, played with Sean Taylor and Washington
R Peter the great Sean Taylor and then play with
Troy Polamalu. So He's played with some great you know,
counterparts and so but I've watched his rise and his
climb and him go through this maturation possess of understanding
the power of his voice, and like like it's it's

(01:12:05):
it's his calling. So it's good. I don't know that
I would be able to handle or articulate the way
that he does with the level that he's at because
of my mentality. My mentality is not that I'm going
to process every single word that I say, so I
can make sure that I am not offending anybody if

(01:12:29):
I offend you with the truth and just be offended yep, right, Yeah,
But I can move like that, because when I look
into scriptures, the person that I followed.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
People happy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
They did not in the Sadducees.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Yeah, when you get called a snake and a viper, yes, yeah,
that's not very nice words.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
No, and especially if you understand the context these were.
These were holy men that led an entire people. So
they were seen as you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
It's like us walking to a priest or pastor and
saying That's like me going.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Up to T. D. Jason being like say, bro, you snake.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Where do we You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
He's not a snake. So let me let me verbatize.
I'm just I'm using them as an example. Sorry was
it shots fired? Right? But but like it's so that
people that are listening this, so people that can listen
can understand in this context what it was like when
Jesus was doing that to those people. But the truth
that he was speaking is is that you you you

(01:13:34):
go all throughout the world, you know, creating proselytes, but
making them two times the level of hell than they
were before you got to them. So that's a truth.
So here's the truth. You're not if you're a man
dressed as a woman. You're not a woman.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
If you're a woman that thinks that has done all
of these things to be a man, you're not a man. Right.
It's it's I look at that because that's the easiest
thing to talk about. But like I'm you going, I've
seen this video where this woman was at the doctor's
office and she's she's done all of this stuff to
become a man, the surgeries and everything, and she's pregnant,

(01:14:12):
and so she's like, well, I'm confused because I'm a man,
and she's like, well, before you was a man, you
was a woman, and you're pregnant, right, it's not confusing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
And I'll tell you what. There's a girl named Chloe.
I met her. She's a d transitioner. She oh those
people I love them, Yeah, because the numb and we're
gonna get her on the podcast and she is her
life was destroyed, yeah, as a team. Yeah, she cut
off her breast, yes, she like and it was all
parent It was all doctors, yeah, people pushing her. And honestly, like, bro,

(01:14:44):
what kid isn't kind of weird? Dude, Like you know,
like my if my daughter all of a sudden like
likes trucks. You know, we used to call girls like that.
You're talking yep, yeah, you can work on trucks. I
don't care. You can be a mechanic girl. I don't care.
But you're a girl. It's okay. You know, if my
son wants to do art and music, and I mean,

(01:15:05):
I might come a little gay, but it's fine. Like
I mean, like he's my boy. I love music, by
the way, so I guess that's it. But like he's
a boy, and so that is. But it is interesting
when you say that. It's and even for me that
I believe that hardly. It's always like to see, oh man,
we're getting on touchy water, but like, how is that
even touchy?

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
It's not touchy? Yes, that's don't bring me on if
you think that me telling you what is what? What
the difference is of logic? Yeah, don't bring me on
because I'm going to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
And that's my point of right. And I love rhyme right,
like I'm not trying to but I think back to comedy.
We live in a world where everyone is like egg
shells egg shells, and I think when I when I so,
I coach creators, I coach podcasters, and I warned them.
I say, hey, just you know, when you post the
videos on there forever, Internet's forever. Yep, Okay, it could

(01:15:53):
be overwhelming when you think of it that way, but
when you admit that you're probably gonna be wrong sometimes,
you know, you just were all mys back there for listening.
So we're talking about owning it accountability.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
I've said things that I've been wrong on the podcast,
and you know what, you know what I do. Hey, guys,
I was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Ain't that crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
It's like that is It's that easy and it's okay,
But it doesn't mean you shouldn't have an opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yeah, Like that's the thing. Like I wish everyone's opinionated,
but set it in love and then you know what,
Like I've had people on that they've talked and I'm like, man,
you're an idiot, But you know what, I love you.
You're an idiot, and we're going to talk about it
and at the end they we're going to give each
other a big hug and we're going to go on
our way and that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
It doesn't have to be my it doesn't have to
be divisive the way that I view things can be
different from the way that you view things, right, But
the one thing that we have to be able to
stand on is that there are just certain things that
are troops and we all have to be.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Is objective not subjective. And the thing is, like, sometimes
it hurts and I'd much rather be the type of
person that I'm generally a pretty nice guy, chill guy.
But are certain things that, man, I get riled up.
And I feel like there are I think there are
some people that they're like, I'm just being truthful. I'm like, no,
you're just a dick, right, Like okay, you can't maybe so,
But at the same time, like you know, everything doesn't

(01:17:15):
have to be phrased in a way that like correct. Man,
just like and you know what, like I uh, this
guy came on the show. He's talking about a comedian
and he's like, man, I love him because this comedian man,
he's like really sacrilegious and it's funny. And I was like, man,
I don't think that's funny, but you know what, he
has the freedom to do that, and you know what,

(01:17:36):
I'm just not going to watch him. Isn't that crazy?
And like moved on, like you know, and and then
and that's just and like, that's what this show is
built on. That's why I have the word like authentic
across my chest. It's like that that's what I try
to do and I've been learning and honestly, man like
it stressed me out. Like I did a political subshow

(01:17:56):
where I racked to current events and I try to
do it what is a Christian, common sense, conservative white
male in Detroit think about the world, And it did
really well. It was like fifty percent increase in viewership
over this show. It was just me but talking about
those things so consistently, like I don't think it took
a toll on me. So I had to put a

(01:18:18):
pause in the show that I think I was ready
for because even the people that I voted for or
there's just it was like the corruption was like overwhelming
when I started to get into it. But on the
show it was like, listen, I'm gonna be kind and loving,
but I'm also gonna be unapologetic. And I think if
everyone because you can do both. You can be loving

(01:18:38):
and unapologetic at the same time. I think some people
are just on and there's no love, and I think,
like the reason why what you said is like men
should not be in women's sports. That's a fact, right,
And you know what, like you can say that, you
know why I have love for my daughter when I
say that, right, Like because between you and me, bro, Yeah,

(01:18:59):
you know Riley Gaine Rolly Gaines is a swimmer from Kentucky. Yeah, okay, he.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Was like trash when he was swimming against the man.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
And Riley was the real girl. Lea Thomas was the
trans dude and Riley got beat by like eight tenth
of a second whatever. Okay, So she's they just so
the school that let Leah Thomas state as a report
that just came out where they's basically the school was
forcing the girls to change in front of a dude. Wow,
because you were trying. They would be off the team
if they didn't, because then it'd be transphobic.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
And so I'm like, as a father, it enrages me.
I'm like, if my daughter ever gets put in that situation, yeah,
Like I don't know what I would do. It wouldn't
be pretty. Like It's like, but like that's what when
we say objective truths like this is because we're protecting
our daughters. It is because we're protecting our sons, and

(01:19:49):
it is out of love. And so we can say
objective things and it might come across harsh, but there
is still the backing of love.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Well, what is the point of conversation? The point of
conversation is to be able to share different objectives, different
thought processes, different ideologies, and to be able just in.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
The definition of the word correct.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Yeah. Right, So when somebody says, hey, we need to
have a conversation, are you know, Okay, all right, we're
going to have this. This must be something more, let's go.
My thing is I don't like to be caught off guard.
So I'm saying, okay, well, what is it about. I
need context because I need to prepare my mind for
what we're going to talk about. Right, But I'll talk
to anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Like my business partner. Yeah, I send him an email
twenty four hours before we have a hard conversation. If
it's about business, yea, And I let him know. I
give him the blueprint. We had a big disagreement in
our company about a month ago, and so I sent
him an email with bullepuns and said, hey, I love you,
I want and I want you to have time to
work through this. So you don't feel caught off guard. Yeah,
and it was the most beautiful four hour conversation in

(01:20:46):
the world we ever had, and we left and we're ready,
like yeah, and that's how I know, that's how he functions.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
So I don't want to just you know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Hey man, But that's because you care about your partner, right, right,
You care about your business partner. And when I say cares, like,
you're able to get outside of yourself and how you
feel in the moment to look at it subjectively from
their perspective and say, Okay, if somebody was coming at me,
how would I want them to come? Right? And that's
the thing that I love about business man. You know,
business like business is a biblical construct. I don't think

(01:21:16):
people know that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Yeah, I mean you got to proversorty want women too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
You got a lot talents you go into you go
into Deuteronomy and look how Moses orchestrated all of the tribes. Right,
that's a systematic approach. Right. So it's a whole bunch
of things that take place in there. Right, you look
at certain you look at certain things, like when you
look at business, you you you were wanting to be
inspired to create things. One of the most inspiring things
is Ecclesiastics ninety ten that says, whatsoever your hand find

(01:21:42):
out to do, do with all your might, for there's
no device, no work, no knowledge in the grave where
that that goes, Meaning what do the best that you
can do while you're here, because one day you're going
to die. Yeah, and when you die, it's not Mario Brothers.
You don't get to hit the reset button it. And
that's what I'm wanting people to understand about their life,

(01:22:03):
is that wherever you're at, one day you're going to die.
And so if you're not going after the thing that
your purpose to go after, you will be sitting on
that bed right prime example. And I read this and
I was like, that brings it home when we think Apple,
who is the name that we say.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Well, not Tim Cook, the other guy, the Steve Jobs.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
He didn't create anything, right, right, he didn't create anything.
I mean what stole or whatever? The reality is, you
know Jobs because Job was put in the forefront and
he made people feel a certain right and he was
maniacal about it, right like that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Yeah, that's a good word. That's a great word.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
That's the second time you use that because you also
use that like maniac and sam when I talk about politics.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
All in one, it's all of that, right. Put it
in the book, Webster.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
That should be the name of the book maniacal.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Okay, all right, we're calling I love it. So I
say that to say he did all of this stuff right.
But then when he was on his deathbed, you know
what he wished for? More time?

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Time, more time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
M hmm. You don't want to be on your deathbed
wishing for more time because you didn't go after the
purpose that you were designed for.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
You know what every father wishes when his daughter's getting.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Married, He wish he had more time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
I watched this Instagram video, so I'm just I'm an
emotional crier. I cry a lot, mainly only during animated movies.
I don't know what Frozen two, yeah, brox me, it
takes you back. I cried for the first time on
the way to Vegas next to my boss Frozen two,
sobbing like a little girl, and he's looking at me like, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
We gotta figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
But to be fair of my wife's dad has died,
and so it was a little anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Cried in the locker only after we won.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Yeah, that that's real, dude. It's the positive cries. I
don't cryd the sad moments. I crying like the heart
I'm adopted. We talk about there, Lucas, and so whenever
there's like father like ud moments, and now that I'm
a father, so whenever there's like reconciliation, like, oh man,
my wife just knows. So anyway, there's an Instagram little

(01:24:22):
real as I was doom scrolling and probably should be
working instead, but whatever, we're not gonna talk about that.
And I, uh, there's this grandpa. He was like seventy
years old and he's he's holding his grand his granddaughter,
and his child was recording and the caption will and
and they just had his eyes closed like this. He
was holding his granddaughter and in that moment, you know,

(01:24:46):
he was imagining his daughter. Correct, and he's like, I
get to do this one more time.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Like I don't think. I don't think people understand why
grandparents understand or get so excited about being a grandparent. Yes,
it's because they just gotta do it one more time, correct,
And that's good. And like so I watched that video
and oh I talked a little bit about like June
was really hard for us, just with a lot of stuff,

(01:25:16):
and like, man, I'm gonna miss it, like thirty years
from now when my daughter's married, lord willing, healthy, my
son's married, healthy, all I'm and I'm rich and I've
made it and all this stuff. I'm just gonna wish
I could go back to when my bank account bounced

(01:25:36):
and my daughter was too, you know, and so like
that like is the moment. I don't even know how
it got on this, but I'm just saying like it man, Yeah,
like that is perspective, right, Yeah, I'm just saying, like
perspective on life. Yeah, and it's just why like this
show exists and as I learn as I mess up,
as we mess up, like helping people through that. I

(01:25:58):
watched that video. I told my wife like I was sobbing, dude,
like ugly crying, and I'm like, I can't miss this.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Man. Yeah, you know that hits different for me because
I only have one daughter, right, and she had sickle cell.
So for me, it hits harder because her older brother
has it too. And so I you want to you
want to know a powerless moment to which like for me,

(01:26:27):
when it comes to being having to have control, people like, bro,
you're not a controlling person, not at all, because I
know it's an illusion. Bro. Like dude, you know, I
squat five hundred and something pounds for sets.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
I stand up out of the church exactly right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
I bench pressed, you know, four hundred something pounds for sets.
I move sleds with you know, I've put I know
what it feels like to have these hands on somebody
and literally see their will leave their body, like their
spirits say, I don't want to do it anymore, against it.
I know it. That feel like I may not to
piss you off, right, Yeah, okay, good, I'm better now. Yeah,

(01:27:04):
I've done the work. But I've literally been able to
take a man against his will and move him to
a place he didn't want to go, and place him
on his back, and look him in the eyes and
know that he knows that there's nothing that he can
do about it. That's a particular type of power. So
when you have that mentality and you've you've been in
that space, and you've been in that world to walk
into a hospital and see your child hooked up crying

(01:27:27):
saying Daddy helped me and there's nothing that you can do.
I don't care about that. That to me, that's where
the dgaff muscle really got strong, right, because these are
the things that people don't know that I deal with,
that he deals with, right. So for me, if you're
not moving into space to where you want to help somebody,

(01:27:47):
then to me, you're you're a hindrance. And I just
don't have the time to deal with hindrances, don't. I
don't have the time to deal with your thought processes.
I don't have the time to deal with your ideologies.
I'm not in there helping you figure life out. That's
why I put it on camera. Go watch my episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
You're gonna suck time away from me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Go watch my episodes. Figure it out, right, because there's
people like my children and other kids and other young
young people that need what I have. So let's not
waste our time on the people that that don't right,
which is why I believe that in the Bible when
Christ talks about if you go into a town and

(01:28:27):
they don't accept you, the dust of the shake and
keep moving right. So I'm only locked in on serving
those who I'm supposed to serve. Bro literally That's what
I'm locked in, right, because why cast your pearls to swine?
You know what I mean? Why so waste the time?

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Don't do it?

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Yeah, a pig sees a diamond in the slot, you
know what I mean, that's just food. We see it
with that pig gonna be on somebody play the slaughterhouse
because we're going after that diamond.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Right, That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
So value, produce, create, create value, and then give that
value to others.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
And you know what conversations do They create perspective don't they? Right?
Like you can live in your own bubble and then
all of a sudden you have a conversation with someone
that floors you. Yeah, and that's why we need more
of this. Yeah, Like, this is why this exists. It's
not about the name who gives a crapout Dylan England's
about how people. It's like people just remember how you
make them feel, how you make it felt. And then

(01:29:31):
that's the goal of this. And like for me, like
five o'clock to seven thirty, no one touches those two
and a half hours. That's my time with my kids. Yeah,
like and and and then I'm also right now trying
to figure out how I can build something by the
time they turn six or seven, because that's when their
memories are formed. If I could do anything, it would
be Lord. I will work my absolute bhooky off. I say,

(01:29:54):
I say bohook because I have a two year old
daughter and no one to swear indication, see cause she's
totally watching my podcast slowly. Yeah she does though, whenever
anyone's on the screen the TV, She's like, daddy, yes,
And uh, this is something I've nursed on the podcast before,
and you're gonna laugh at me. Oh no, I don't know.
I don't want to bring this up now, but I did.

(01:30:15):
I said I was going to so uh in high
school and college, I made a lot of rap music.
Come on now, Okay, people don't know this about me.
I say, I told you that, right and uh so
my church made an album. They asked me to dust
off the cob web and it turned out pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
Where can we get this?

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Yeah, I mean I've been telling you that thing. Oh yeah,
that thing is locked away. But my daughter loves it,
loves it. And I don't know if you guys know
the artist n F, but I kid you not. I
played an NF song and She's like, Daddy, Daddy, you
talk about validation. Yeah, come on, yeah, yeah, you know,

(01:30:57):
but it's just at the moment, like that's why. And
I'll tell you one more thing and we'll wrap up
because we could talk for another hour. A son called
me of a guest that I had. His name's Jim Heller.
Jim is a mentor. He's an entrepreneur. He has a
group called Vistage Group where basically it's like AA for

(01:31:18):
CEOs and as a place where CEOs can go and
just talk to other CEOs. As a peer to peer
advisory group. They just be honest with what they're struggling with,
their marriage, their business, like all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
It's great.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Beautiful had him on the podcast. His son reaches out
to me and he's like, hey, man, oh, you don't
know me. I got, you know, for my dad whatever.
I just want to thank you because now I have
an hour long conversation I can watch with my dad
when he's gone. His dad's like seventy and I never
thought about that before. And then I thought, my kids

(01:31:51):
are going to have hundreds of hours with Daddy Amen
for the rest of their life, and they're going to
see my mistakes. They're going to see when I'm an idiot.
They're gonna see when I was like passionately wrong about
something twenty years later. But they're gonna see it all. Yeah,
And like if that's not enough to make you want
to make some sort of content or get in front
of a camera, even if you never post it. My buddy,

(01:32:14):
he was my best friend. He passed away when he
was twenty five. He had a wife and two kids.
He was when I traveled at Irish Music. We were
actually on break and he died and his wife didn't
know this, but he had been recording voice memos for her.
Oh wow, and he had passed away. It had been
about a month and she had sinked all of his
stuff to her phone right just to go through files

(01:32:36):
and pictures and everything. And you want to talk about
chills and a god story. It's like a month after
he passes, she turns on her car and somehow a
voice memo played that she didn't know that he made
and just started playing through the car speakers. Wow, and
the first was like hey Caroline, and she like broke down,

(01:32:58):
like crying, and there was a last message to her
that he ever recorded. And she didn't know what existed.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
And so she got to hear his voice one more time.
We made a CD called We made a song called
you Are Good and uh, why am I gonna cry?

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
I don't even do this. It's all good, but you
are good? She sing it, Wow, And we started the
album by him that voice memo.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
And so you know, it's just a sweet moment man,
Like you just don't know the memories you're going to
give your kids, and it's sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
That's why you can't tell me that God doesn't exist,
you know what I mean. And you can't tell those
people that have had that experience. And so my biggest
takeaway from what you're talking about is just the spiritual
and the human nature of us as people coming together
in a positive way. Like, Bro, we have an enemy

(01:33:53):
that's not.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
And it's not each other.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
That's my point. Man, Let's not let's not do his
job for him, you know, I mean, let's find a
way even if he factuals big facts, absolutely, because this
creates continuity. This is a creation, and he hates anything
that's made in the image of God. So when you're creating,

(01:34:15):
he can't stand that. Here's something else, I'll tell you
a great idea, something that I'm actually in the process
of doing. You're talking about the voice memos. I'm going
to get another phone and I'm just going to talk
to my kids on that phone, and that's the only
thing that that phone's going to be for. And then
I'll upload that into something, right and then share it
for him so that when I pass away, they'll have it. Right.

(01:34:38):
And my man, a buddy of mine, were supposed to
be doing this together for both of our families, right,
So you reminded me of that. So that's I'm going
to make them doing that, getting that started. Come tomorrow,
will Lord will do it. I'm doing that because it's important.
Especially it's so funny we share a commonality, yeah right,

(01:35:05):
in the sense of you didn't have a father in
your life, neither did I, but somehow God allowed us
to become fathers. So what we have to be careful
of is not placing looking at the lack of what
we didn't have when we have so much abundance. Right.
If we have positive male influences in our life, regardless

(01:35:28):
of what that looks like, let's focus on that, yeah right,
so that we can give those lessons to our children.
Mike Tomlin is such an inspiration to me that the
things that he taught me when I was in my twenties,
I teach my kids. When I tell you that you
asked me about my favorite coach, that is by far.

(01:35:49):
I could go up to Coach t today in his
office and sit down and say, in the midst of
him game planning, I take a flight to Pittsburgh. Walk
in the building. Oh sorry, sir, Coach Tomlin, I don't care,
Walk straight in the room, close the door, and be like, coach,
we gotta talk. I need your help, and he will
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
And you know what, when you're saying coach, yeah, it's
another way of saying that we need to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Yeah, because that was the father figure exactly. That's my point, yep.
I believe the reason why Adam and Eve got kicked
out of the garden wasn't from just their action. It
was because the enemy got them to focus on the
lac as opposed to all of the abundance. And we

(01:36:32):
still carry that. He's still using that same trick on
us today. At some point we have to stop getting
distracted by the lack and focusing on the abundance and
when you do that, that in itself will then align
you on the pathway to find your purpose. It's going
to always come back to.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
That and what you're doing. And then when God gives
you the abundance, yes, yes, that's exactly what you're doing.
And that's exactly like when we had Lucas on we
were talking about like how blood it's not about blood,
it's about relationship. You choose to live. And when I
got adopted, I was actually adopted into a two parent
family home. My dad didn't want me. My mom was eighteen,

(01:37:13):
drug malnourished, got rid of me. It was like, that's
how that's how my life started. And but it like
the parents that like, I'm not blood related to them
at all, they're my parents. I don't have a mo.
I don't I don't even say biological mom. I have
a woman that gave birth to me that I'm grateful
that she gave birth to me for. But I don't

(01:37:35):
have two moms. I got one mom.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
You had a pathway to get here.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Yeah, I have a mother, that's it and I'm grateful
for it. But that's where it stops. And then the
parents that adopted me they're my parents. There's no blood there,
but they're my parents. And I think like now, like
just trying to be a father figure to my kids.
And we led youth group in our church for eight
years and doing that the same for kids there, And

(01:37:58):
now that's what you're doing in a lot of ways.
In a lot of ways, that's what you're doing. A
lot of these kids in college and trying to figure
out the NFL, figure out their next steps. Yeah, you're
that to them, and you can be. And I think
that's really really cool. It might be a deeper thing
than you've realized. Like, that's a really cool thing. Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
It's so deep because I have a young guy that
I that I talk to that I'm mentoring him and
his girlfriend just got engaged and to know, like and
I called him, I said, all right, all right, you
will be now, Bro, that's a big responsibility. And like
just sat on the phone for fifteen twenty minutes talking
about what that looks like, you know what I mean,

(01:38:36):
Like I didn't have that right. And so the ebs
and flows, the ebbs and flows, ups and downs, all
of the things that I've gone through in my relationships,
potentially by me giving him information, yeap, it can strengthen
the relationship that he wants to build with this young lady.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
And I'd argue, it's not about the information that you
give him. It's about that he feels as a mentor
that he can trust. Funny enough, as a boy in
a really really great kid named Bishop black dude, Okay.
I met him in the inner city when I did
a lot of inner city working Detroit. He wanted to
be a cop, you know, that's where he wanted to be.
He made it to mall security. He almost got it.

(01:39:16):
You know, he's getting there. He joined the forces and
we talked like once a year. But where I like,
he didn't have a dad group, single mom. He calls me.
He called me. I didn't talk to him for two years.
He calls me. He's like, hey, man, I just broke
up with Mikayla. I talked to him in two years.
Called me yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
On the way here on the plane, I was got
an invite just he's having his kid. He's going to
a gender reveal party. I haven't talked to him in
three years. Wow, that's got a gender reveal invite. Two
days ago. Because Bishop looks at me in a way
that we won't talk for three years, two years, but
the moment something bad happens, whenthing good happens, he knows

(01:39:52):
who to call and so and I was blessed.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
I don't know, man, it's just more of that. We
need more of that in this world. We need more
of that. We do because there's so many people that
are searching for it and yearning for it, right and
there's people that have it or have learned it. And
if we as a collective hole man, it'll be good.
Well I'll tell you what, man, this has been Yeah, man,
I appreciate it. This has been fun. Thank you, Thank
you for taking the risk. I know when you can

(01:40:18):
invite it too, you're like, oh, I know what I'm
walking into. No, I appreciate you taking the time. And
I always do this as we wrap up, I always
give the guests an opportunity to plug something. Yea, where
can people find whatever? You want to plug whatever and
tell people about This is your opportunity to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, it's easy. Man. If everybody just
goes to Tonyhills dot com, that's what they can learn
about me. I know, people like to give you know,
social media, this and social media. Listen, it's all on
Tonyhills dot com, right. And the reason why I send
people there is because there is a piece of me
in that you can learn about who I am, what
my thought process is, and what I believe. And if

(01:40:53):
you ever come across me, you'll know that I'm a
person that is always going to have a conversation to
be able to help people identify purpose. There is power
and understanding your purpose, and so that's who I am. Man,
That's what it is about. Mom.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Man, I appreciate you a lot. Thank you, and thank
you guys for tuning in this episode of The Dylan
England Show. We appreciate you guys. I was always like
common subscribe show with a friend and family member. Thank you, guys.
I really hope you guys were blessed. I was blessed
by this episode, and thank you. Shout out our producer
Isaiah by running the switch there. Thank you, oh my
for being our crowd during this podcast. And we'll see
you guys in the next episode of The Dylan England Show.

(01:41:26):
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