August 14, 2024 • 62 mins
Welcome to another episode of The Dirty Lie Podcast, where we delve into facts, figures, and peculiar tales from history. Join hosts Dez and TMT as they discuss the intriguing and often bizarre events that shaped the past.
This episode centers on the curious case of Gerald Ford, the only unelected President of the United States, who faced multiple assassination attempts within a short span. Discover the peculiar stories of Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme and Sarah Jane Moore, two women with vastly different motivations who both aimed to end Ford's life.
Dez and TMT also touch on the broader historical context of assassination attempts in America, providing a riveting account of Richard Lawrence's failed attempt on Andrew Jackson's life. This episode offers a mix of historical facts, personal anecdotes, and insightful commentary, making it a must-listen for history buffs and curious minds alike.
Tune in for an engaging discussion that blends humor, historical analysis, and a touch of suspense as we uncover the dirty lies and truths behind these infamous assassination attempts.
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Hi my name is devs hi my name is tmt tmt tmt is clutch tmt your laptop sounds
like a small gen it's an old laptop it doesn't have an m1 chip it has fans inside
i see yeah so like once you open like this thing no this thing is hot steam
type what the hell your laptop doesn't get this hot,
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sometimes i use my clothes i was just going
to say that i don't think my hair straightener gets that's really aggressive
yeah hi everyone welcome to the dirty lie
podcast a podcast about facts figures and weird things from
the past i'm your host des and i'm
here with hi i'm a vintage electronic collector my name is tmt his name is tmt
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so if you have any vcrs 2019 macbooks you know sony cameras some people call
me arise now they call you they just call me arise as Has a nickname.
The funny thing about this. Is that everyone who does this. Seems to believe the uniquely created.
That's like TMT and TNT. I'm not the first person. You're not. How could you be?
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You have such a high opinion of your weight. Okay guys.
I know you have missed us. And I want to shout out to the people.
Who have personally harassed me for this episode. Should we name them?
Name and shame. You're welcome in advance. and
this episode was brought to you by donald trump not getting
shot in the air yeah as as the
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pictures have now shown he wasn't shooting there they
said it was shrapnel or glass from the
teller it was glass from the prompter yeah but the
thing is the next day because i was on air when it was like
breaking news right and i go on air and i'm like very possible
that it wasn't the bullet from an ar-15
that scraped his ear right yeah he
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doesn't even have bruise and this annoying woman but i will bring to you assassination
attempts this motivated by trump not dying about other failed assassination
attempts in american history now the thing is i I have like three episodes worth of gist here.
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So I think we'll just do a two-parter. Okay.
And I think I'll make this episode just about one man who like multiple people
tried to assassinate. Mm-hmm.
Which is like, honestly, I was looking at his life and times and I'm like,
why was it this guy who pissed y'all off the most?
But okay, we're six minutes in, so let's start.
Let's start. TMT, do you remember how this works? Because last time we forgot.
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I will tell you three facts and you have to decide which one is the dirty lie.
There'll be two true things and there'll be one. One true thing.
One dirty lie. Yeah. One dirty lie.
There'll be two true things. Do you understand this? Yes. Truth thing. Yes. The untruth thing.
Remember we used to be two truths in the A Dirty Land? Back in the day. Back in the day. Yeah.
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The young shall grow. Thank you. Yeah. I'm with you. I'm with you.
So I'm going to talk about three assassination attempts on the same president,
Gerald Ford. Do you know who Gerald Ford is? Yes. He was.
His real name is actually not Gerald Ford. It's something less manly and he
changed it to Gerald Ford.
Yes, but not because it was less manly. he changed it because his daddy
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was a drunk so he didn't like his daddy and then his stepfather
was lovely so he took his stepfather's name i thought it was because it
was less manly no no but i mean
fair but i mean nice theory on your
part his real name was jack lawson oh no
gerald ford he was president after nixon well
if you knew about his real name and if you
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know who he is then you might already know the answer to this to these questions
so which one is true which one is a dirty lie gerald
ford is fact one gerald ford there's
not even the well let me just say the facts fact one
a woman called lynette squeaky from
squeaky wore a red dress with a
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matching hood and tried to kill gerald ford in california because she was one
of charles Manson's cult members and she loved the environment and she thought
Gerald Ford was bad for the environment so she wanted to kill him and equal to her yes and,
And then in the same month, a couple of weeks later, another woman called Sarah
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Jane Moore tried to kill Gerald Ford.
Now, both of them shot him, shot at him. Right. So this is fact one is squeaky.
Fact two is Sarah Jane Moore, completely different woman, completely different
part of the country, completely different reason. She wanted to start a revolution.
And she was like, I think the way to do it would be to kill the president.
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And she shot him well she
shot at him it missed and before
she could shoot him again a retired marine saw
her and said this bitch got a gun jumped
on her and she couldn't kill the
president and she was like damn i would
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have gotten away with it if not for that meddling marine so
that's fact too yeah one you have a charles manson
tree hugging lover woman in
a red dress shoot try to
shoot the president the second one is you have a middle-aged white woman
who's like i'm bored let's start a revolution that was a good idea that that
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little squeaky girl had and then try to shoot the president and the third they
have a mentally ill man named richard who who used to dress really eccentrically
and kids in his neighborhood called him King Richard as a joke,
but in his delusion started to believe that he was actually secretly a member
of the British royal family and his money was being held from him by Gerald
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Ford and his economic activities.
So he then tried to kill Gerald Ford, shot at him and his gun jammed.
And the secret service were like oh okay that solves
that i want you to tell me which one is true which one's a
lie so i can't go into this just i just
want to say that this could have been so
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initially like i thought it was going to be like
three different assassination attempts for at
on three on three different presidents right yeah but i decided
to make it just one so that because people kept
trying to kill joe yeah so i decided to make it
just one and then we could do another episode with other
one was he republican yes of course he
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was all i know is that someone
could try to kill joel ford i don't know which and i don't know how many times
attempts were made and i know this because when they tried to assassinate trump
in the group chat you were listing like other assassination attempts and how
much cooler they were you were
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like oh they shot this guy teddy and he finished his speech before he went to
get medical attention yes,
And you mentioned Gerald Ford as well. So now in my head, I'm thinking,
does she give me any clue?
I actually did. In that conversation? Yeah. Oh, gosh. Don't check the group chat.
Oh, I can't see. Wing it. I think King Richard is the dirty liar. Why?
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You think women were trying to off presidents? Have you ever heard of a woman
assassin trying to off a president?
You gave me two women, so at least one of them. Has to be Eli?
Yeah, Eli. but you just said king richard is alive yeah
so you're voting that both of the women
are true stories so you do this and when i talk because
i did talk about how two women try to off gerald forger right i
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sent it to you yeah i sent it to you like whatever i feel like this is a cheat
i should have king richard is a real story by the way yeah the bible smith no
it was about serena williams that no it's about the guy who tried to kill another
u.s president i believe the first
no andrew jackson oh andrew
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jackson who was the seventh president of
the united states i think the first that people tried to like kill like that
should we talk about andrew first and then we'll talk about ford and all the
women who try to kill him yes should we also touch on teddy you have what i
have a question okay it's about the world post monarchies what country had the The first president.
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Like in the world? Mm-hmm. I don't know. You think it's America?
I mean, America is like, I think one of, is definitely one of the oldest democracies in the world.
Mm-hmm. Because Andrew Jackson was the seventh president in the 1800s.
Wasn't he a founding father, though? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So the founding fathers
were just taking turns, like...
Sort of. Actually, let's start with Andrew Jackson. Okay. Because we'll help
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you understand American politics post... Monarchy.
Post-independence from Britain, post-unification of the Federation.
Join in there. Mm-hmm. Fun times. So, Andrew Jackson was the 7th President of
the United States, and he served from 1829 to 1837.
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He was known for having a fiery temper and
very populist policies and he was quite controversial
and he's also the guy
who forced the relocation of native american tribes
that led to the deaths of hundreds or thousands
of native americans known as the trail of tears
some people see it as a genocidal event yeah
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he had very strong opponents including i
believe his vice president like under
his presidency a whole new party was formed you
know it's it's giving jej in 2015 like
apc appears because they hate your guts so.
Much kind of thing yeah interesting because he
didn't do anything it's so funny now because one.
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The deification of i'm good luck jonathan is.
A bit extreme on the interwebs it's a lot he was
a good man he hated him yes everybody
hated him was to be fair
like now looking back a lot of that hate was based
off of propaganda but the way the
reason that propaganda could thrive is because
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there was so much corruption like there was it was
corrupt it's just that buhari was worse and this is
i mean not shockingly looking like it
might even be worse but can i ask
a question yes do you think that like
all of these these things just to
briefly touch on nigeria do you think that like
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the countries get i mean we all know it's progressively getting
worse but do you think it's getting worse because it was
just going in this direction either way or are we
just get are we just picking worse managers i think
it's a bit of both like i feel like nigeria
needed somebody who snatched the wheel and literally jerk the
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car in the other direction right but when
if you do that like imagine you're speeding down the highway on
someone he pulls on the like yeah pull
something in the car right it's gonna cause issues even if you're trying to
change direction it's gonna cause issues so some people are like oh let's just
do it slowly but if you do it slowly you're still moving in that direction those
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who believe in the government believe that that's what they're doing like they
are trying to change the direction slowly.
Those who have no goodwill in the government or don't trust the government,
which is the majority of Nigerians, because majority of people voted against
this government, just going by the numbers, don't believe that.
And they just know that we are moving in the same direction, which is towards hell.
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And the numbers are not saying it's going slow because you just said subsidy
was removed. It's not been removed. Let's be frank.
But even with that fake removal of subsidy.
The Naira has tanked and inflation is insane
and seemingly uncontrollable and the
reason why nigerians everyday nigerians
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know the price of the dollar and number of inflation and
all these things because our actual day-to-day lives are untenable yes
we don't have money for tariffs anymore so
you reduce you remove some of electricity tariffs
we remove some of the fuel subsidy and there's
this whole idea like the government's posturing is
bullshit i'm so happy i'm not on air so i can't say
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the words i mean i'm so pleased to be off air so
i can't say that their posturing is bullshit okay it's
bullshit you are telling people these
are the toughest times ever and you
need to strap in and we're all going through tough times but
you're acting like it's not tough if it's
tough let me see it in your face again like
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i always tell people like imagine somebody owes you money and you see them in
fucking capri during in summer excuse the fuck
out of me sit down at home okay you're
like oh rent is more expensive than a trip to
capri i don't give a fuck i don't see a joy i don't
i don't see with a brand new plane i don't i don't want you to see i want to
see a bloated cabinet i don't want to see the first lady having an office that's
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funded by public funds i know if times are hard let it show for your face yeah
you can literally not tell me times i had and you are still plump.
That's like i just think you're posturing this bullshit i said
this on air today it's very weird now to
be in the position i'm in because i can
also see where there's propaganda against the government
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like this owando thing it is now so very believable
it's very believable because there's very low trust in tunabu or his government
right people are waiting to see the corruption should come out but you also
have like the whole danglity thing there's so much misinformation out there
and you have and misinformation is valuable to those who are spreading it and
they know why they are spreading it and you also have people who don't.
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Do two fa like it seems like
honestly you have a journalist like a real journalist which
for me is actually crazy because it's like that thing we say like if
you if both of us hear the same just about the same person and we tell each other
we think it must be true because we've both heard it we could
have heard it from the same source yeah all this our sources could have heard
it from the same source doesn't mean it's true yeah like confirm
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shit before you publish it people aren't
doing that including professionals and i
don't know if the motivation is to trend i don't
know if it's elon bucks there's definitely i don't know there's there's
so much but we have so much information misinformation out
there so sometimes also i'm like i don't it's so weird if
you counter misinformation about the government people think you
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are being pro-government but i'm like actually no
if there is a blending plant in malta like dangute
said the first thing out of his mouth was
actually an npc was not any private nigerian.
You know he did not say tinubu he did not say this he's an
npc and i'm sure he said that for a reason he
did not say any uprc he did not say anything else like
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he knows what he said and he knows why he said it which is
also why malik yari came out himself to deny it
if we're going to like let's know let's know what
it is let's know what the actual tea is because if it's actual government officials
if it's civil so i can't i believe it heart
to chest i truly believe that it's
probably one pimp sick somewhere i
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promise you civil servants are doing dirty stuff like
they shock they shock i've seen
i've seen some civil service no no no they are
shocking no they are shocking if that is what it is let's know but also dango
t don't use i know your dirty dealings so don't have my own dirty dealings and
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pretend like you're either y'all give a fuck about what's going on to any of
us. This is gonna be about touching dangles here. Let's not.
Touching or teddy no i mean they're thinking very broad
they're thinking and they're thinking about their own personal
interests i decided not
to talk about any assassination attempts in nigeria
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maybe i'll do that next time but i said let
me let me make your assassination mom let's let's
shit because people really be trying it but
yeah so to your question i hope i don't even know i
answer because i was so mad i've been so mad lately just like
you know this windfall tax thing that's another problem
in nigeria it's like they're just no good guys like i don't i'm
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rooting for none of you all the good guys are
in private sector no they're not the private sector
is not like the banks right now being
shooketh i'm not saying there are
no bad guys in the private sector i'm saying all the good guys are just between
their own thing nobody even i don't even believe leave
that because i actually do know i know some good guys i
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know some really idealistic people even some who
have now quit but i know some idealistic people
who even went in with this government i know people
who mean well or want to do well or like you know they're like in a stage in
their careers where like maybe it's time for me to give something back and get
some level of exposure in public service however like i mean it's if so i'm
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not saying that everybody in person think it's bad I also don't believe that
I also think they're very different types of bad.
It's like I've interviewed for example now I've interviewed governors from the
north and some of them generally like don't believe in women leadership.
No they don't right and they're in the same party as
somebody else who fundamentally believes we need
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more women in government but you just see them as like
oh this is another governor they're both in apco they're both
in pdp and they both think the same no and this matters
in america they will not be in the same party and i think that's what helps
yeah the fact that we don't have party ideology based
parties is a huge problem because but like
i've interviewed a governor who introduced sharia into his
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state right and he will not he says you know he
abides by it he believes in it i haven't released this
i don't see the next one i can't i think i can talk about because it's my next
episode i interviewed senator samboa from sukutu and and i was asking him about
women representation in his government and he was actually ranked like number
one in the country he had more women in his cabinet than even in negos or whatever
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like So he was talking about the numbers.
I had only researched really how he improved girl child education and make sure
girls are put in school in Sokoto State.
But I didn't know about like down the ballot initiatives that he had put in.
But that's completely different stances.
And the governor I spoke to is from his exact same- Him is a North Sokoto?
Yeah, he was governor of Sokoto.
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Wow. And the governor I spoke to is from his exact same place,
like exact same region, right?
And they're in the same party. but their stances are completely different right
and i was surprised a little bit that he was even willing to go as far as talking
about like the legislation we need to put in place to make sure that more women
like he was like we need a constitutional amendment actually and i was like oh.
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I didn't even think you'd want to say that politically like do
you know what i'm saying like but some of these guys are different like
i'm not saying this one's hand is clean or this one's hand
is dirty i'm just saying that these actual ideological differences that
we don't really no one has really sat down
and drawn a graph for us and said this guy believes in this i
just want to believe in this yes but i don't think
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it's that like i think it's intentional educational obfuscation
is that the word like it's obscure and the obscurity
helps the bad guys but we also don't
even have targeted doesn't it doesn't help the
good guys as well it it doesn't help the good guys well because you know sometimes
maybe like it's like maybe you can slide in without people knowing like what
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your actual stance is yeah but i think for the most part But in the environments
we're coming into where people are more engaged daily in our politics,
like our policy right now is it's so dire that people want to know what you think about X, Y, Z.
And I think the only way we can move forward is if we have more intelligent
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ways of communicating policy stances,
because there's some things that like all of them will say, I'll give you light.
All of them will say, you know what I'm saying?
But they're actually small things that some of them differ on hugely.
There's some people who are tribalist. There's some people who are sexist.
Do you want to know who those people are? Clearly. Beyond thievery. True.
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Let's even go from the standpoint that they're all thieves. Yeah.
Let's see how they feel about human rights.
Yes. But let's, okay, let's go to assassination. Okay.
I'm going to edit so much of this out i mean
it's going to be good luck i mean it will don't i liked it
he liked it it was a bit lengthy but it was still worth it okay
let's talk about the guy who tried to kill andrew jackson
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his name was richard lawrence and he was born in england around
1800 or 1801 and then
his family relocated to america when he was
a teenager and it is said that he was
very normal as a kid but then he starts
losing it and people guess today that
maybe it's because he was a painter because back then
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the paint had like a lot of lead and all these
other toxins but it seems that his
mental health started to decline like when he was like a teenager and a young
man and he became very flamboyant a fashionista he would apparently Apparently
he changed his clothes multiple times a day and every outfit would be extravagant.
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It said that he would spend hours standing in the doorway, gazing out to the
streets, having conversations with children on the streets, who then started
calling him King Richard because of his extravagant outfits and eccentric behavior.
Apparently he starts having like violent outbursts at home towards his sisters,
like members of his family.
But this erratic behavior, I mean, they didn't think it would end up with him
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being like an assassin. they just thought, you know, Richard's a little kooky,
but he's all right. He's family, right?
Now, at some point in time, he starts believing that he's being owed a large
sum of money by the US government because he's a member of the English royal family.
In the days leading to the.
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People witnesses at the trial said that he
became fixated on president andrew jackson
and he was looking at his schedule and his habits so he
lived in virginia by the way just to give you some
background on where he was and he says that you would see him
like talking to himself about andrew jackson on the
morning of the attempted assassination
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it said that he was in his
shop and gross in a book and then
suddenly looks up and bursts out into laughter
stands up from his seat and says
to no one out loud i'll be
damned if i don't do it i think yeah
i think like for me what's really
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weird about this is that like nobody was like oh richard
what do you mean they're like okay i'm good
did you do that day andrew
jackson was attending a funeral for a
congressman warren davis who had just passed
at the u.s capital and as he exited the capitol building richard emerged from
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the crowd armed with two pistols he approached jackson and he fired the first
pistol at close range at jackson's heart miraculously the gun misfired.
Undeterred lawrence drew his second pistol and fired
again but this second pistol also
misfired it was later determined that there was some issue with moisture in
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the pistols he had chosen or whatever and the weather that day was very humid
which also added to the more moisture in his pistols because i'm sure these
are the pistols like back in the day you had to like it was It was really like fire.
Sparks would like come out of there. Like footlongs. Yes.
Now, Andrew Jackson was 67. Yeah.
At this point in time and i said he's known for his fiery temper right
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in politics or whatever he did not hesitate what did he do he took he charged
at richard and they started to beat the shit out of him with his game oh my
god witnesses had to quickly subdue lawrence and jackson.
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And he was there taking it into custody and
this is the first recorded assassination attempt
on a sitting u.s president two guns misfired
and the 67 year old president took his cane and started whooping the assailant's
ass and i think like yeah see this is what i was talking about trump's like
assassination attempt so like i mean okay the guns now are scary i mean also
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Be sure that it's scary. Yeah.
But putting a fist up and shouting fight is just not this heroic civil rights
movement we're trying to make it seem like. We're not trying to make it seem
like. Not we. Internity.
Here's the thing, right? For me, it's like, the Trump supporters see it as the
greatest foot to open history.
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Which is fine, because they're deranged people.
The Trump haters see it just
him trying to capitalize off the moment and co-opting
black power symbol symbolism yeah and
then you have people in the middle who are like man i'm
not a trump fan but that picture goes hard as hell the
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picture is like it's like a good picture like shout out to the photographer i
think for me it's this idea of little
joey photographer is the guy who's won a political yeah
i think so yeah so he just has like
good techers yeah oh that's good
yeah like it's like a very good picture it's
iconic it's gonna go down in history what's funny about the
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picture is that like only trump looks good every
other person like all the secret service agents look so stupid in it that's
kind of iconic because trump never looks good in pictures so I think that's
why I like the picture because I think it's like there's symbolism in it for
like how people around Trump look.
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They all look dumber than he is. IE1, JD Vance.
I.e. one Tim Scott I think somebody said Mike Pence yeah damn Pence went out
sad crazy sad like he went out so sad like this J.D.
Rouse thing do you think he might be dropped so I think it would be tough to
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drop him but honestly whoever is writing this season of America is having fun with the script,
they're in their bag they should have hired these
niggas for last game of throw season they are in their bag i think right now
trump does not want to show he's either shook scared or panicking he doesn't
want to show he's scattered and he definitely does not want to signal he makes
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mistakes so it'll be very tough to drop jd vance but again things are moving.
Chaotically as we tumble towards november so
never say never never say never ever i am
very excited about kamala harris ticket
i am expecting either the senator
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out of arizona or the governor
out of kentucky to emerge as
her vp picks there's this other guy now this
older guy i think is governor of minnesota former governor
of minnesota he's doing well on media runs his polling
numbers must be crazy i was looking at
the numbers yes of course of
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course no i've only named white straight to men yeah it's funny
thing is that like you know how all the top universities
in america have their presidents like obama was
the columbia one even though he's also harvard but it was columbia's you
know claim to fame and clinton duke has nixon so
they kind of like try and pretend that they
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don't so you know everyone would be like oh what president went
to duke and we're like we have one what president we
have one like no one wants to say the name the worst one
it's nixon oh god the only one
who's the worst nixon on trump nixon is worse than trump nixon trump is worse
long term for like the fabric of america nixon was moving like a nigerian governor
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he was what i get was crazy bro nixon was crazy blatantly so So...
Was Nixon the Vietnam president? I think one of, yeah.
I just... Honestly, my brain, the only thing I can think about with Nixon is Watergate.
My brain doesn't even allow me to process anything else. One of my favorite
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comedians once said that people complain about American politicians now,
but they don't know what guys were alive during the 70s, 60s went through.
People saw their president cry, apologized for his actions, and.
Gets into a helicopter and never and he was
never seen like he was again for the rest of his
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life like he just disappeared like he just weaved and
disappeared and no one saw him again and that
was the end of nixon you know so the next guy
we're talking about gerald ford he's nixon's vp but
he's not nixon's original vp because which i
actually kind of forgot nixon the original vp was
hung guilty of corruption and resigned even before watergate
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come on watergate scandal nixon had
lost his vp and so he went and got
the minority leader who was gerald ford and made
him vp and the thing about is that like at
this point in time gerald ford was just a guy who was like like blindly loyal
to nixon like so many people hated nixon
by this point like his own party opposition nobody liked the
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guy but then there was this little guy who he had forgotten his
boy boy from back then was in the house he then made
vp so gerald ford has the honor or
whatever he's the only unelected unelected american
president because he was not elected on vp tickets yeah
like the other presidents obviously that they you know the president was assassinated
and the vice president then becomes president different because they were on
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the original they were the og ticket john ford was never on any he only won
election i think in michigan or where
he's also Also the only one whose assassination attempts were by women.
And both of those women we can quickly talk about. Let's go.
There's like this clip of Gerald Ford that's been going viral from,
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I think, like 1974, where he says the only way a woman can become president
is if she's vice president and
the president dies, that America will never elect a woman to be president.
And he's answering, I think, a little girl's question. Do you know?
And i was like well gerald doesn't know anything about winning elections and
he also doesn't know anything about women that's why they were trying to off him but
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it's so funny because you every time i see
history being consumed it's like
sometimes people just consume it as
oh that is knowledge from the past no that's
gerald ford guys i don't know like you know what i'm saying it's like
somebody watching trump 20 30 years down
the line and being like yeah you know like he that
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that it's not enlightening just because the color is
different the color grading it's not because of his haircut guys
it's gerald ford he didn't do anything he
was a very bad president for three years and he america
has really been through this they have but that's also sometimes when people
are like i don't want to why must i live an unprecedented time i'm like shut
up yeah you're cooling like what why do the people who live when they drop two
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atomic bombs down on japan how
do you process the people who lived through Vietnam and the crack crisis,
I want like I have my thoughts on Japan in World War 2 as well I hear you yeah I hear you.
Japan look Japan before for
like we're better off that they've chilled yeah it had
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to happen on a crazy level no not like that not like
that but they had I can never agree with that I don't
agree I don't think the bomb had to happen I don't
agree with I know but something had to happen they had to calm down but someone
had to say guy chill and america
unfortunately was the only one i think
america is like that america is a country that like they're excessive in every
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single thing if you if you tap america they will shoot you and that's exactly
what happened yes the scale between Pearl Harbor and Nagasaki and Hiroshima is insane,
it's it's so unbalanced but at the same time.
Obviously, these are all human rights violations, so I can't speak to what would
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have been an appropriate response,
but I'm telling you now, if you read the history of Japan in the Russo-Japanese
War or the Indo-Japanese War, everything Japan had done to just Southeast Asia
as a whole, it's over a hundred years.
Crazy i think it was after world war
one something got into their sake and they
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were like you know what this asia side there's something
wrong here and we're the only ones that can fix it
i think for me right is that i want to know how island like japan and the uk
just tiny pieces of can wreak havoc like no i think about japan and the uk as
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unique they're very specific.
Because they're very tiny because how did england do
that yeah like england how did the great
british how do y'all do that shit from your
tiny little island how did japan japan japan
put china on because even if you
look at china bro if you look at
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like like by the end of the day the british empire is from
the roman empire but at least
the roman empire seat was massive it was spread it was multiple emperors at
the same time it was a the triumph triumvirate or whatever it's called you know
it was spread out and it was massive but england is so small not just in terms of.
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Mass as an island just in terms of personnel working
parts but they just i don't know how they do it
so good on them i wonder i went to do like a breakdown of
the british empire and it's working it's going to take me a
while to figure it out but when i figure it out i'll come here let's
quickly run through this gf just yes
the two babes who try to kill gerald ford
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and then we'll call it a day because both of
us are tired why did i choose this one because like i want to do a whole episode
on telly i think that might be your favorite american president not just in
terms of but just like how he looks and how he presented how his mind worked
everything I love I can't say this I can't because I'm an adult,
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my top two Americans no no no my top two Americans of all time.
All time nancy pelosi and teddy
roosevelt they battle for first position and
i can't tell you how exciting i find them i think somebody else who is aligned
with me is cardi b because i was watching a clip i don't know if it was fdr
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teddy but i think it was teddy but she was just like that that nigga was hard
as shit i'm teddy and i guessed dead or alive for me Yes.
I don't know, man. Man, Teddy Roosevelt.
Teddy's crazy. Not just like... It makes sense. It makes perfect sense.
Bro, I would get a Teddy Roosevelt tattoo if he wasn't a white man.
Seems, you know... There's this book I read when I was a kid.
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I wasn't even that young. I think I was like 19. So what's the book called?
It's called The Five Fists of Science. And it was basically like historical fiction, right? Right.
So it's basically because just because of the fact that like that era had like
a bunch of really brilliant people.
So the whole idea was like, oh, the rise of fascism in Europe. Right. Yeah.
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And who are the people that would correlate?
So it's basically Mark Twain, Nikola Tesla, Teddy Roosevelt.
And I can't remember. There's a woman and one more person. It was just Zoe Fitzgerald.
And like one more person. There's a bunch of people that happen to live in the same time. Okay.
And they were very good at what they did. So they came together to stop fascism as a group.
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I can't believe I said I had two favorites, Americans and they were both white
people. I take that back.
Oh, no, no, no. You know, it's funny. Like when he said, whenever I think of
Pelosi, it's just her and Kente doing the kneeling.
That's the first thing that comes to mind i don't know how you go past that but
good for you good on you man hey you know what i'm sure there's way more to
her life than that nancy pelosi is one of the most legendary organizers in the
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history of america like she just gets her dad was something i think a governor
or something her dad was like a mafia type of politician.
But like she used to like sit at his feet and
that bitch learned and i appreciate he does other listeners because
i'm one of those like taking notes like she
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was literally like she knew the ledger of who owed her dad
and who her dad like had supported like and with
how much he had supported them and who their nephew was and who their
uncle was and where their child went to school and that level
of you know i just
love it gr martin world building
where she does have like the charts of everyone like this is
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the targaryen dynasty how do we leverage but nancy
is just back in my book because right now she's in my periphery based
off of jay biden stepping down because again she's the
leader of this crew and i like it i like it for her i
like it okay but no teddy that's my g but let's quickly talk about two women
who tried to kill gerald for the first one's called squeaky the reason why she's
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called squeaky very uncomfortable reason what so she was kicked out of home
for being apparently promiscuous and insubordinate by her father when she was
in her first year of college.
And so after her first year of college, she is homeless on the streets of LA,
or somewhere in California.
And she becomes the second member of the Manson family.
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Apparently, Charles Manson saw her sitting outside on the road and said,
your parents kicked you out, didn't they?
And she immediately concluded that he was a psychic. Oh, God.
Because it's not obvious.
How did he know? How did he know? no, you are a young woman who doesn't look
poor, who's now homeless. Like, girl.
Okay. So she becomes a member of the Manson family.
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Ironically, she's not indicted or said to be involved in any of their horrible crimes.
If anyone listening doesn't know about the Manson crimes, maybe let us know
and we can do an episode on that.
The reason she was known as Squeaky is because, you know, the Manson family lived on a ranch.
It was called the Span Movie Ranch right outside of of Los Angeles and they
didn't really have money because again a bunch of bandits and the owner of the
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ranch was 80 years old he was a man called George Spann George Spann yes okay
that's a good name yes but in exchange for the.
The free rent george span was allowed to
have sexual relations with any of this
manson family wives when he wished and his
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favorite was squeaky who would
squeak whenever he pinched her thigh yeah
god oh my god yeah i told you
the nickname is it's just yeah now following
the murders in 1969 by the
manson family and the arrest of charles manson
from squeaky never stopped
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but what should i call her should i call her lynette let
me call her lynette calling her squeaky is a bit odd it feels weird
it feels yeah it feels kind of creepy but after
the incidents obviously charles manson was found guilty
of murder sentenced to life and lynette did
not leave his side so actually she moved
with him near the Folsom prison where he
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was she moved to Sacramento so she could stay close to
him and visit him in jail that's what I was like the Manson
family was that's the very freaky cult
where the wives all what do they do like cut off something I
don't even know well I mean they were planning murders yeah
planning murders but even after he was arrested they like did something to him
he became like a very oh yeah they were
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sending him like a lots of letters with like body parts attached to it
yeah very bizarre times so anyways
she was in sacramento and while she was in sacramento she was chilling one day.
She was watching the news and she realized oh gerald ford is in town and he.
Will be speaking at the sacramento convention center on the 5th of september.
1974 and he had just asked congress to relax provisions of the clean air act.
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Why lynette was like that is really
bad that's really bad for the environment so
let me save the environment i like white
people man they like saving shit they do that
they do so she strapped an antique 45 caliber
colt pistol holy shit to her left thigh
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dressed up in a bright red
dress which is certainly a choice she was not.
Trying to of blending it was looking like an emoji yeah bright
red dress with a matching hood and she headed to the
grounds outside the state capitol building where the
president was heading for his breakfast speech this is
on the morning of the 5th of september she pushed her
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way all the way to the front aimed the 45 caliber
colt semi-automatic pistol at joel
ford but then was immediately basically subdued
by secret service agents when her gun failed
to fire although the gun was loaded it
was later revealed that there was no round in the
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chamber when she was arrested she was apparently shouting it
wouldn't go off it wouldn't go off can you believe
it it wouldn't go off they later
found the round that should have been in
the chamber on her bathroom floor that's crazy
she she loaded everything but the one that's that
man won russian roulette she forgot the bullets
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she forgot the bullet but it was loaded with
other bullets but like the the last shape yeah that
is just to prove how lucky gerald
ford was i mean oxford lynette goes to prison right for
attempted assassination she should yeah while
in prison she attacked another inmate with
a hammer and then she escaped
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she escaped from prison you
want to know where she was headed the manson family ranch.
No the manson family prison she was trying to
go to charles manson's prison okay she escaped her
prison to go and meet charles manson
in his own prison no because she
didn't make it she was found after two days but like again why
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you want to know something very unique about this
story apart from the fact that women are trying to kill gerald ford apart
from the fact that somebody shoots him one bullet
is missing one and it's the one that counts is that that was the 5th of september
on the 22nd of september another woman tries susan sarah j more sarah j also
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escapes from prison sarah j is a female sponsor,
Okay. Sorry, go on. I'm glad I didn't know that, and you did. It's not even a fan.
It's entire. Sorry, I'm done. I'm done for you. So, yeah, Lynette was in prison
for 34 years, and she was released in 2009.
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And when she was interviewed in 2019, she said she was still in love with Charles Manson.
That's really all she has to say. Is he in there? I don't even know. Oh, man, I don't...
He should be dead. I mean, he... I would hope the fuck so. I think he was shot.
Oh, well, so that is Lynette Squeaky.
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The first woman who tried to kill Gerald Ford. What year was this? 1975.
That's not a long time ago. No, she got out in 2009. The second attempt was
17 days later, on the 27th of September. He was having a September to remember.
Do you remember? Ma-pa-pa.
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Bro first of all like why are
people trying to kill you so badly you ain't even do
nothing he was not doing much was gerald ford remembered for being a sucky president
but yes sergey moore was a woman from west virginia and she was an accountant
a nursing student and married five Five times with four children all before the time she was 30.
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Nice. She's active. Yes.
Now, Sarah Jane is real interesting because at some point in time,
first of all, she was like born a Christian and then she goes like spiritual
earth, you know. You know how that goes.
At some point in time, she volunteers to be an informant for the FBI to join
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like, to spy on leftist groups.
It's an anti-vietnam war peace love movement post you know climates tree loving tree hugging era,
while spying on the leftist movement she was
like they have a point she converted she not only converted she then became
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extreme and then tried to kill the president you know this was like a christian
lady sometimes i look at these stories and i feel like i'm being lied to she
was like Like in these leftist political groups.
And she was just like, okay, I was spying for the FBI, but now I'm on the side
of the people I was spying on. And now I have to do something drastic.
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She believed that the only way to fix the problems that were going on with Vietnam,
with, you know, the climate and whatever, was to kill the head of the U.S. president.
Because she was like, it's America's fault. And if I kill the guy on top,
everything will fix itself.
Which is like the idea of most assassinations and also why they don't work. True.
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Like, very rarely are you like, if you kill the guy on top, everybody will fall in line.
It doesn't work like that. that i just what gives me that
idea i don't know only crews work like
that yeah like unless you are taking over
like just killing somebody no it's
not effective his second in command is taking over and
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he's second in command because they have the same opinions usually so
basically following the attempt
on java 4's life by lynette squeaky
the secret service were like let's take our jobs a bit more seriously so they
started investigating some people sarah jane was one of those people in fact
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the day before she tried to kill the president they had actually seized a gun from her.
Yes so i think like the secret service has sent local police out to bc like
investigate her they They found an unregistered weapon with a .44 caliber revolver
and 113 rounds of ammunition.
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That's a lot of rounds. That's a lot of rounds. And they seized the .45.
13 would be a lot of rounds.
113. Yeah. So they seized the revolver and the ammo. But this is America.
Okay, wait. She went to Target and bought more ammo. Yeah, she just went and
bought another gun. She went and bought another gun the next morning.
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Okay no so this is the thing she this is
so crazy because america why are you like this like why seize
the gun if you can't go and get one in walmart
you can literally get guns in walmart you can
get jello you can get t-shirts
you can get a car saying get well soon for your auntie
that has malaria and you can get the gun for
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your uncle that didn't take care of your auntie when exactly so she
had meticulously planned her attempt on Gerald Ford's life she was not gonna
make the mistake Lynette made she had was doing shooting practice she had practiced
well her marksmanship had was but what happened they seized her 44 caliber revolver.
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And so she ends up acquiring a 38 caliber revolver.
The newly fired revolver had misaligned sights on the gun.
So on the morning of the 22nd, when Jalford walks outside of the St.
Francis Hotel in San Francisco.
She was standing 40 feet away from him
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and she fired a single shot at
him and missed him by five inches she then
tried to raise her arm to fire again
and that's when oliver sipple the former marine grabbed
her arm as she was firing and said
this bitch got a gun he said that
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in an interview you in like recording in
the reports i see it says that he said i saw her
out there with a gun and i grabbed for it i earned i lunged and
grabbed the woman's arm and the gun went off but i
saw a clip online of him saying that bitch got a question was he secret service
no just a retired marine that was out there to just see the president just out
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with the crowds hoping to see a president right the second shot that was fired
i think either hit the limousine or the hotel door i'm.
Not entirely sure apparently gerald ford was then you just
thrown into the limousine and secret service agents were lying
on top of him and he was shouting at
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them saying i'm going to be crushed to death this is
an armored plated car get off of
me like he shots me already they shot ass
me already he missed we're in the fucking car already
which is like so funny because everyone's like oh my god the
secret service was always an exceptional organization how
did they fuck up with trump it looks like they have been fucking up for
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a minute i'm sorry american exceptionalism
was to key americans everything that
we have been taught to believe by hollywood has come crashing down
okay my favorite is just like how especially with
this podcast we've realized how dumb the cia were bro like
they're like everyone's like how could the secret service do that
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like they were so highly respected they don't
know it seems like yeah there are
people who make mistakes like humans do
all around the world so yeah but also sarah
jane moore also went to jail by the way like at her trial she was like no regrets
she just pled guilty she was like i'm guilty no regrets for do it again funny
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funniest bit about this is that i watched an interview they interviewed her
after the trump incident and they're like how do you feel about this and she was like.
I'm expected so she was like you want me to say I learned something in prison
like her energy was killing me.
She was like yeah she was like I mean,
if i if i suck she generally seems like she
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generally believes that like if i succeeded it would have done
what i wanted to do which is killed your foot nobody else died so i don't feel
bad like i went to jail i'm out i think she's like in her 90s now or something
where you see something she's old but in 1979 like four years after the incident
she escaped from prison but
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only for like four hours four hours yeah
from prison if
you could would i escape from prison if i could
that's a very tough question like i'm
not built for prison yeah but also part
of me is because like one thing i hate doing is talking
to people so like some boys some part of
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me feels like if i was left alone by myself for a long period of time i would
feel at peace i'll be be like this is a sabbatical it depends on my prison term
right if you're giving me like 90 days i'm like this is the time to write the
book i think so this is the time write the book okay.
But if it's like 15 years i'm escaping bro yeah because i will die mentally
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have you seen what happens to people when they come out of like solitary and
stuff they're like literally messed I see you're escaping.
I will. The thing about it is that, like, I will escape, okay? I will. I don't know how.
It will happen. But I will make alliances.
I will give you guys Prison Break Season 7. That's what it's going to be.
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They're going to be like, how did she do it?
I will learn the pipes, the vents.
I would know the warden's wife's name. I would know his favorite high school
subject. I am escaping, okay?
I'm out of there. i'm out of there because why am i
an animal cage me there's no way but
also like you know i don't believe in violence i don't i
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don't see why i'll end up in prison the only thing
i can see for some family political prisoner because these
days it seems like more likely you know yeah
this government likes picking up people yeah
i'm yeah i'm starting to seem
like me and dss's yellow loo
house might meet before my 40th birthday i hope
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not i don't like stressful situations somebody
messaged me yesterday like i like your bravery i said what did i say now what
did i say that requires you to think this is brave because why am i like this
when someone first started i used to be so anxious like the first week after every episode like damn
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what did i say what have i done and now i'm just like yeah i i think like for
me sometimes like one time i said something and someone dm me like you can't
see this now that you're a journalist on our eyes and i text them back i said
please put on your tv i'm about to say you don't.
I don't know what you think this is put on it put it
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on right i said put it on right dsv youtube are you joking what are you what
are you telling me i can't say that philip shibu is lacking philip shibu said
my mind is in apc but my body is in pdp and i said well i wonder where his sense is.
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And said you can't say like sense i
said of course you can of course i can't of
course an adc died a policeman
died nobody cares for him his family
his name nothing they've gone about nothing has changed
nothing has changed now his mind and body then
the next day well i maybe i took it too far because of
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that statement the next day when he officially decamped to
the apc i said it seems philip shibu's mind and body
have been reunited yeah i maybe should
not have done that but again nothing has changed somebody has
died if i can't say that is a senseless act what what what can i say i was like
bro yeah gag me not oh my god no dead ass will you escape from prison 100 first
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day first day i feel like you're too tall i don't know i think like No,
but tell our guys that I'm in prison. I don't know, man. I've been to prison.
Have you been to prison? I've been to Kiri Kiri. I've been to Kiri prison.
I've been to Kiri prison. Have you been to the FCC holding? Yes.
Okay. We go to the same prison, you? No.
I mean, guys, if you're listening, that's also where I went.
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I was working for somebody who had a mother client.
I had a client who was this extremely wealthy woman.
And he was Cameroonian and he was also a French citizen
and he had a deal he was
so his business was importing and exporting stuff right yeah and he had it he
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had an issue with customs yeah so they should have used their connections and
they got him in jail now this is a guy who had committed no crime he had done
nothing wrong like it was just very clearly abuse of power and one with
the court trying to explain everything and the customs people had brought in the FCC to,
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carry him to carry him and to like just help us keep
their case as well and eventually we say oh he's not
feeling well and we have to get him out of here and the
FCC say oh it's a lie this that three weeks later
he dies in prison wow wow yeah
and I was going to I was going to go to
prison like every couple of days just
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to talk to him to give him some provisions and stuff like
that was it was a mess did that affect you emotionally it affected my i mean
i won't lie like a part a big part of why i don't practice law i mean beyond
a myriad of other reasons it's just like a lack of belief in the legal system
if anything is going to make me do law again it has to be money.
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And just like it'll be money it'll only be money money
is the only and that money is not for everyone that's the thing but
it's only money that can make me go and do law again i hear
you yeah i hear you sometimes like i feel as though nigeria is breaking my spirit
in terms of there's so many times that i want to do something either it's like
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and you get this ugly voice in your head that says what's the point.
It's not an ugly voice it's an evil voice evil
evil what's the point there's a
point to and there is like it's a point like and
i don't know this is going to sound very dumb and i'll end the
episode here because obviously my brain is needs rest but it's
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like when i do my makeup and i underpaint i'm
like i wait for it to dry before i blend i do
my i take certain steps so it comes out
looking a certain way and it would not look that
way if i just slapped it all on at once it wouldn't right but
like these like steps and these things that
you do these little processes that matter that
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nobody else sees that takes slightly longer time that
it's not necessarily even hard it might just be tedious this tediousness of
life we don't have that in our leadership
and we don't it seems like we don't even have that
or support that in our culture like people are looking
for every corner now to cut in every way
that that's why we drive the way we drive no it's
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true like if they can't cut they
will cut when when is the route for soon as and someone just
comes and makes it third lane and then someone else comes and makes it yeah
like people are just trying to
and in all those lanes there are
still people that are running up and down and like chance moving between them
it's just it's insane it's so much chaos and it's like can we just do the tedious
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proper thing can we do follow the process can we line up wait can we wait and.
When you were in law school didn't you have that thing where like.
Thumb prints thumb prints and you just see the people waiting in line and you're
like what happened to you guys like did they ever make a line king like,
You know what a lion king is? Like, somebody who's in charge of the lion numbers.
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So, basically, this is a real thing.
It's called the rat king. And it happened a lot in Europe.
Okay. And it's where, in the sewer systems and just, like, disgusting areas.
Trigger warning for people listening. This gets a bit gross.
But, like, Europe was so dirty that, like, rats would, like, just pile on each other.
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And they would be together. And their tails would stick.
And they could only move together as a unit oh that's
oh that's disgusting like i see
in night i see like line kings
like cute like people trying to queue but
there's no actual line so they're just like stuck together and like
this kind of crowd and it's disgusting i'm
(01:00:48):
like how can you be touching like it's just like why oh yeah i
went to law school and to thumbprint yeah
out it was always the worst experience of my life every day and i was just like
how can you live like this you're adults yes but they don't they don't even
like i hate to really put it like this because one of the scariest things for
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me as a foreign student was actually seeing how.
Infantilized university graduates were like the fact that you would stand up
i told somebody this and i'm like for me if the most like maybe dystopian out-of-body
experience was the first time they told a section to stand up and start reciting
reciting whatever it was please,
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of agreement i dash of dash on dash
of that i don't even remember that
i feel like my brain has blocked out most of those memories
like and i'm just like this is how you're teaching
the law to people over 24 25
grown-ups they're 30 years
here they're 40 i did dino
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bio at duke that was my joke class freshman year i
did dinosaur biology even that class was taught more
seriously that corporate corporate law in nigerian law school like it was taught
with more seriousness and order and sophistication dino bio about stegosaurus
okay it was taught more seriously than nigerian law school strange people anyways
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thank you guys for working with us.
I mean, this is a long one. I wonder how.
I think people like it. People enjoy the long episodes. So, I will leave it then.
But thank you guys for sticking with us, for working with us and it's good to
be back. See you soon. Adios.
Hi my name is devs hi my name is tmt tmt tmt is clutch tmt your laptop sounds
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i see yeah so like once you open like this thing no this thing is hot steam
type what the hell your laptop doesn't get this hot,
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sometimes i use my clothes i was just going
to say that i don't think my hair straightener gets that's really aggressive
yeah hi everyone welcome to the dirty lie
podcast a podcast about facts figures and weird things from
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You have such a high opinion of your weight. Okay guys.
I know you have missed us. And I want to shout out to the people.
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Name and shame. You're welcome in advance. and
this episode was brought to you by donald trump not getting
shot in the air yeah as as the
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pictures have now shown he wasn't shooting there they
said it was shrapnel or glass from the
teller it was glass from the prompter yeah but the
thing is the next day because i was on air when it was like
breaking news right and i go on air and i'm like very possible
that it wasn't the bullet from an ar-15
that scraped his ear right yeah he
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doesn't even have bruise and this annoying woman but i will bring to you assassination
attempts this motivated by trump not dying about other failed assassination
attempts in american history now the thing is i I have like three episodes worth of gist here.
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So I think we'll just do a two-parter. Okay.
And I think I'll make this episode just about one man who like multiple people
tried to assassinate. Mm-hmm.
Which is like, honestly, I was looking at his life and times and I'm like,
why was it this guy who pissed y'all off the most?
But okay, we're six minutes in, so let's start.
Let's start. TMT, do you remember how this works? Because last time we forgot.
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I will tell you three facts and you have to decide which one is the dirty lie.
There'll be two true things and there'll be one. One true thing.
One dirty lie. Yeah. One dirty lie.
There'll be two true things. Do you understand this? Yes. Truth thing. Yes. The untruth thing.
Remember we used to be two truths in the A Dirty Land? Back in the day. Back in the day. Yeah.
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The young shall grow. Thank you. Yeah. I'm with you. I'm with you.
So I'm going to talk about three assassination attempts on the same president,
Gerald Ford. Do you know who Gerald Ford is? Yes. He was.
His real name is actually not Gerald Ford. It's something less manly and he
changed it to Gerald Ford.
Yes, but not because it was less manly. he changed it because his daddy
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was a drunk so he didn't like his daddy and then his stepfather
was lovely so he took his stepfather's name i thought it was because it
was less manly no no but i mean
fair but i mean nice theory on your
part his real name was jack lawson oh no
gerald ford he was president after nixon well
if you knew about his real name and if you
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know who he is then you might already know the answer to this to these questions
so which one is true which one is a dirty lie gerald
ford is fact one gerald ford there's
not even the well let me just say the facts fact one
a woman called lynette squeaky from
squeaky wore a red dress with a
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matching hood and tried to kill gerald ford in california because she was one
of charles Manson's cult members and she loved the environment and she thought
Gerald Ford was bad for the environment so she wanted to kill him and equal to her yes and,
And then in the same month, a couple of weeks later, another woman called Sarah
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Jane Moore tried to kill Gerald Ford.
Now, both of them shot him, shot at him. Right. So this is fact one is squeaky.
Fact two is Sarah Jane Moore, completely different woman, completely different
part of the country, completely different reason. She wanted to start a revolution.
And she was like, I think the way to do it would be to kill the president.
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And she shot him well she
shot at him it missed and before
she could shoot him again a retired marine saw
her and said this bitch got a gun jumped
on her and she couldn't kill the
president and she was like damn i would
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have gotten away with it if not for that meddling marine so
that's fact too yeah one you have a charles manson
tree hugging lover woman in
a red dress shoot try to
shoot the president the second one is you have a middle-aged white woman
who's like i'm bored let's start a revolution that was a good idea that that
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little squeaky girl had and then try to shoot the president and the third they
have a mentally ill man named richard who who used to dress really eccentrically
and kids in his neighborhood called him King Richard as a joke,
but in his delusion started to believe that he was actually secretly a member
of the British royal family and his money was being held from him by Gerald
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Ford and his economic activities.
So he then tried to kill Gerald Ford, shot at him and his gun jammed.
And the secret service were like oh okay that solves
that i want you to tell me which one is true which one's a
lie so i can't go into this just i just
want to say that this could have been so
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initially like i thought it was going to be like
three different assassination attempts for at
on three on three different presidents right yeah but i decided
to make it just one so that because people kept
trying to kill joe yeah so i decided to make it
just one and then we could do another episode with other
one was he republican yes of course he
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was all i know is that someone
could try to kill joel ford i don't know which and i don't know how many times
attempts were made and i know this because when they tried to assassinate trump
in the group chat you were listing like other assassination attempts and how
much cooler they were you were
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like oh they shot this guy teddy and he finished his speech before he went to
get medical attention yes,
And you mentioned Gerald Ford as well. So now in my head, I'm thinking,
does she give me any clue?
I actually did. In that conversation? Yeah. Oh, gosh. Don't check the group chat.
Oh, I can't see. Wing it. I think King Richard is the dirty liar. Why?
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You think women were trying to off presidents? Have you ever heard of a woman
assassin trying to off a president?
You gave me two women, so at least one of them. Has to be Eli?
Yeah, Eli. but you just said king richard is alive yeah
so you're voting that both of the women
are true stories so you do this and when i talk because
i did talk about how two women try to off gerald forger right i
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sent it to you yeah i sent it to you like whatever i feel like this is a cheat
i should have king richard is a real story by the way yeah the bible smith no
it was about serena williams that no it's about the guy who tried to kill another
u.s president i believe the first
no andrew jackson oh andrew
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jackson who was the seventh president of
the united states i think the first that people tried to like kill like that
should we talk about andrew first and then we'll talk about ford and all the
women who try to kill him yes should we also touch on teddy you have what i
have a question okay it's about the world post monarchies what country had the The first president.
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Like in the world? Mm-hmm. I don't know. You think it's America?
I mean, America is like, I think one of, is definitely one of the oldest democracies in the world.
Mm-hmm. Because Andrew Jackson was the seventh president in the 1800s.
Wasn't he a founding father, though? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So the founding fathers
were just taking turns, like...
Sort of. Actually, let's start with Andrew Jackson. Okay. Because we'll help
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you understand American politics post... Monarchy.
Post-independence from Britain, post-unification of the Federation.
Join in there. Mm-hmm. Fun times. So, Andrew Jackson was the 7th President of
the United States, and he served from 1829 to 1837.
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He was known for having a fiery temper and
very populist policies and he was quite controversial
and he's also the guy
who forced the relocation of native american tribes
that led to the deaths of hundreds or thousands
of native americans known as the trail of tears
some people see it as a genocidal event yeah
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he had very strong opponents including i
believe his vice president like under
his presidency a whole new party was formed you
know it's it's giving jej in 2015 like
apc appears because they hate your guts so.
Much kind of thing yeah interesting because he
didn't do anything it's so funny now because one.
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The deification of i'm good luck jonathan is.
A bit extreme on the interwebs it's a lot he was
a good man he hated him yes everybody
hated him was to be fair
like now looking back a lot of that hate was based
off of propaganda but the way the
reason that propaganda could thrive is because
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there was so much corruption like there was it was
corrupt it's just that buhari was worse and this is
i mean not shockingly looking like it
might even be worse but can i ask
a question yes do you think that like
all of these these things just to
briefly touch on nigeria do you think that like
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the countries get i mean we all know it's progressively getting
worse but do you think it's getting worse because it was
just going in this direction either way or are we
just get are we just picking worse managers i think
it's a bit of both like i feel like nigeria
needed somebody who snatched the wheel and literally jerk the
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car in the other direction right but when
if you do that like imagine you're speeding down the highway on
someone he pulls on the like yeah pull
something in the car right it's gonna cause issues even if you're trying to
change direction it's gonna cause issues so some people are like oh let's just
do it slowly but if you do it slowly you're still moving in that direction those
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who believe in the government believe that that's what they're doing like they
are trying to change the direction slowly.
Those who have no goodwill in the government or don't trust the government,
which is the majority of Nigerians, because majority of people voted against
this government, just going by the numbers, don't believe that.
And they just know that we are moving in the same direction, which is towards hell.
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And the numbers are not saying it's going slow because you just said subsidy
was removed. It's not been removed. Let's be frank.
But even with that fake removal of subsidy.
The Naira has tanked and inflation is insane
and seemingly uncontrollable and the
reason why nigerians everyday nigerians
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know the price of the dollar and number of inflation and
all these things because our actual day-to-day lives are untenable yes
we don't have money for tariffs anymore so
you reduce you remove some of electricity tariffs
we remove some of the fuel subsidy and there's
this whole idea like the government's posturing is
bullshit i'm so happy i'm not on air so i can't say
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the words i mean i'm so pleased to be off air so
i can't say that their posturing is bullshit okay it's
bullshit you are telling people these
are the toughest times ever and you
need to strap in and we're all going through tough times but
you're acting like it's not tough if it's
tough let me see it in your face again like
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i always tell people like imagine somebody owes you money and you see them in
fucking capri during in summer excuse the fuck
out of me sit down at home okay you're
like oh rent is more expensive than a trip to
capri i don't give a fuck i don't see a joy i don't
i don't see with a brand new plane i don't i don't want you to see i want to
see a bloated cabinet i don't want to see the first lady having an office that's
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funded by public funds i know if times are hard let it show for your face yeah
you can literally not tell me times i had and you are still plump.
That's like i just think you're posturing this bullshit i said
this on air today it's very weird now to
be in the position i'm in because i can
also see where there's propaganda against the government
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like this owando thing it is now so very believable
it's very believable because there's very low trust in tunabu or his government
right people are waiting to see the corruption should come out but you also
have like the whole danglity thing there's so much misinformation out there
and you have and misinformation is valuable to those who are spreading it and
they know why they are spreading it and you also have people who don't.
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Do two fa like it seems like
honestly you have a journalist like a real journalist which
for me is actually crazy because it's like that thing we say like if
you if both of us hear the same just about the same person and we tell each other
we think it must be true because we've both heard it we could
have heard it from the same source yeah all this our sources could have heard
it from the same source doesn't mean it's true yeah like confirm
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shit before you publish it people aren't
doing that including professionals and i
don't know if the motivation is to trend i don't
know if it's elon bucks there's definitely i don't know there's there's
so much but we have so much information misinformation out
there so sometimes also i'm like i don't it's so weird if
you counter misinformation about the government people think you
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are being pro-government but i'm like actually no
if there is a blending plant in malta like dangute
said the first thing out of his mouth was
actually an npc was not any private nigerian.
You know he did not say tinubu he did not say this he's an
npc and i'm sure he said that for a reason he
did not say any uprc he did not say anything else like
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he knows what he said and he knows why he said it which is
also why malik yari came out himself to deny it
if we're going to like let's know let's know what
it is let's know what the actual tea is because if it's actual government officials
if it's civil so i can't i believe it heart
to chest i truly believe that it's
probably one pimp sick somewhere i
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promise you civil servants are doing dirty stuff like
they shock they shock i've seen
i've seen some civil service no no no they are
shocking no they are shocking if that is what it is let's know but also dango
t don't use i know your dirty dealings so don't have my own dirty dealings and
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pretend like you're either y'all give a fuck about what's going on to any of
us. This is gonna be about touching dangles here. Let's not.
Touching or teddy no i mean they're thinking very broad
they're thinking and they're thinking about their own personal
interests i decided not
to talk about any assassination attempts in nigeria
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maybe i'll do that next time but i said let
me let me make your assassination mom let's let's
shit because people really be trying it but
yeah so to your question i hope i don't even know i
answer because i was so mad i've been so mad lately just like
you know this windfall tax thing that's another problem
in nigeria it's like they're just no good guys like i don't i'm
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rooting for none of you all the good guys are
in private sector no they're not the private sector
is not like the banks right now being
shooketh i'm not saying there are
no bad guys in the private sector i'm saying all the good guys are just between
their own thing nobody even i don't even believe leave
that because i actually do know i know some good guys i
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know some really idealistic people even some who
have now quit but i know some idealistic people
who even went in with this government i know people
who mean well or want to do well or like you know they're like in a stage in
their careers where like maybe it's time for me to give something back and get
some level of exposure in public service however like i mean it's if so i'm
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not saying that everybody in person think it's bad I also don't believe that
I also think they're very different types of bad.
It's like I've interviewed for example now I've interviewed governors from the
north and some of them generally like don't believe in women leadership.
No they don't right and they're in the same party as
somebody else who fundamentally believes we need
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more women in government but you just see them as like
oh this is another governor they're both in apco they're both
in pdp and they both think the same no and this matters
in america they will not be in the same party and i think that's what helps
yeah the fact that we don't have party ideology based
parties is a huge problem because but like
i've interviewed a governor who introduced sharia into his
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state right and he will not he says you know he
abides by it he believes in it i haven't released this
i don't see the next one i can't i think i can talk about because it's my next
episode i interviewed senator samboa from sukutu and and i was asking him about
women representation in his government and he was actually ranked like number
one in the country he had more women in his cabinet than even in negos or whatever
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like So he was talking about the numbers.
I had only researched really how he improved girl child education and make sure
girls are put in school in Sokoto State.
But I didn't know about like down the ballot initiatives that he had put in.
But that's completely different stances.
And the governor I spoke to is from his exact same- Him is a North Sokoto?
Yeah, he was governor of Sokoto.
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Wow. And the governor I spoke to is from his exact same place,
like exact same region, right?
And they're in the same party. but their stances are completely different right
and i was surprised a little bit that he was even willing to go as far as talking
about like the legislation we need to put in place to make sure that more women
like he was like we need a constitutional amendment actually and i was like oh.
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I didn't even think you'd want to say that politically like do
you know what i'm saying like but some of these guys are different like
i'm not saying this one's hand is clean or this one's hand
is dirty i'm just saying that these actual ideological differences that
we don't really no one has really sat down
and drawn a graph for us and said this guy believes in this i
just want to believe in this yes but i don't think
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it's that like i think it's intentional educational obfuscation
is that the word like it's obscure and the obscurity
helps the bad guys but we also don't
even have targeted doesn't it doesn't help the
good guys as well it it doesn't help the good guys well because you know sometimes
maybe like it's like maybe you can slide in without people knowing like what
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your actual stance is yeah but i think for the most part But in the environments
we're coming into where people are more engaged daily in our politics,
like our policy right now is it's so dire that people want to know what you think about X, Y, Z.
And I think the only way we can move forward is if we have more intelligent
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ways of communicating policy stances,
because there's some things that like all of them will say, I'll give you light.
All of them will say, you know what I'm saying?
But they're actually small things that some of them differ on hugely.
There's some people who are tribalist. There's some people who are sexist.
Do you want to know who those people are? Clearly. Beyond thievery. True.
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Let's even go from the standpoint that they're all thieves. Yeah.
Let's see how they feel about human rights.
Yes. But let's, okay, let's go to assassination. Okay.
I'm going to edit so much of this out i mean
it's going to be good luck i mean it will don't i liked it
he liked it it was a bit lengthy but it was still worth it okay
let's talk about the guy who tried to kill andrew jackson
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his name was richard lawrence and he was born in england around
1800 or 1801 and then
his family relocated to america when he was
a teenager and it is said that he was
very normal as a kid but then he starts
losing it and people guess today that
maybe it's because he was a painter because back then
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the paint had like a lot of lead and all these
other toxins but it seems that his
mental health started to decline like when he was like a teenager and a young
man and he became very flamboyant a fashionista he would apparently Apparently
he changed his clothes multiple times a day and every outfit would be extravagant.
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It said that he would spend hours standing in the doorway, gazing out to the
streets, having conversations with children on the streets, who then started
calling him King Richard because of his extravagant outfits and eccentric behavior.
Apparently he starts having like violent outbursts at home towards his sisters,
like members of his family.
But this erratic behavior, I mean, they didn't think it would end up with him
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being like an assassin. they just thought, you know, Richard's a little kooky,
but he's all right. He's family, right?
Now, at some point in time, he starts believing that he's being owed a large
sum of money by the US government because he's a member of the English royal family.
In the days leading to the.
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People witnesses at the trial said that he
became fixated on president andrew jackson
and he was looking at his schedule and his habits so he
lived in virginia by the way just to give you some
background on where he was and he says that you would see him
like talking to himself about andrew jackson on the
morning of the attempted assassination
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it said that he was in his
shop and gross in a book and then
suddenly looks up and bursts out into laughter
stands up from his seat and says
to no one out loud i'll be
damned if i don't do it i think yeah
i think like for me what's really
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weird about this is that like nobody was like oh richard
what do you mean they're like okay i'm good
did you do that day andrew
jackson was attending a funeral for a
congressman warren davis who had just passed
at the u.s capital and as he exited the capitol building richard emerged from
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the crowd armed with two pistols he approached jackson and he fired the first
pistol at close range at jackson's heart miraculously the gun misfired.
Undeterred lawrence drew his second pistol and fired
again but this second pistol also
misfired it was later determined that there was some issue with moisture in
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the pistols he had chosen or whatever and the weather that day was very humid
which also added to the more moisture in his pistols because i'm sure these
are the pistols like back in the day you had to like it was It was really like fire.
Sparks would like come out of there. Like footlongs. Yes.
Now, Andrew Jackson was 67. Yeah.
At this point in time and i said he's known for his fiery temper right
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in politics or whatever he did not hesitate what did he do he took he charged
at richard and they started to beat the shit out of him with his game oh my
god witnesses had to quickly subdue lawrence and jackson.
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And he was there taking it into custody and
this is the first recorded assassination attempt
on a sitting u.s president two guns misfired
and the 67 year old president took his cane and started whooping the assailant's
ass and i think like yeah see this is what i was talking about trump's like
assassination attempt so like i mean okay the guns now are scary i mean also
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Be sure that it's scary. Yeah.
But putting a fist up and shouting fight is just not this heroic civil rights
movement we're trying to make it seem like. We're not trying to make it seem
like. Not we. Internity.
Here's the thing, right? For me, it's like, the Trump supporters see it as the
greatest foot to open history.
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Which is fine, because they're deranged people.
The Trump haters see it just
him trying to capitalize off the moment and co-opting
black power symbol symbolism yeah and
then you have people in the middle who are like man i'm
not a trump fan but that picture goes hard as hell the
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picture is like it's like a good picture like shout out to the photographer i
think for me it's this idea of little
joey photographer is the guy who's won a political yeah
i think so yeah so he just has like
good techers yeah oh that's good
yeah like it's like a very good picture it's
iconic it's gonna go down in history what's funny about the
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picture is that like only trump looks good every
other person like all the secret service agents look so stupid in it that's
kind of iconic because trump never looks good in pictures so I think that's
why I like the picture because I think it's like there's symbolism in it for
like how people around Trump look.
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They all look dumber than he is. IE1, JD Vance.
I.e. one Tim Scott I think somebody said Mike Pence yeah damn Pence went out
sad crazy sad like he went out so sad like this J.D.
Rouse thing do you think he might be dropped so I think it would be tough to
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drop him but honestly whoever is writing this season of America is having fun with the script,
they're in their bag they should have hired these
niggas for last game of throw season they are in their bag i think right now
trump does not want to show he's either shook scared or panicking he doesn't
want to show he's scattered and he definitely does not want to signal he makes
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mistakes so it'll be very tough to drop jd vance but again things are moving.
Chaotically as we tumble towards november so
never say never never say never ever i am
very excited about kamala harris ticket
i am expecting either the senator
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out of arizona or the governor
out of kentucky to emerge as
her vp picks there's this other guy now this
older guy i think is governor of minnesota former governor
of minnesota he's doing well on media runs his polling
numbers must be crazy i was looking at
the numbers yes of course of
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course no i've only named white straight to men yeah it's funny
thing is that like you know how all the top universities
in america have their presidents like obama was
the columbia one even though he's also harvard but it was columbia's you
know claim to fame and clinton duke has nixon so
they kind of like try and pretend that they
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don't so you know everyone would be like oh what president went
to duke and we're like we have one what president we
have one like no one wants to say the name the worst one
it's nixon oh god the only one
who's the worst nixon on trump nixon is worse than trump nixon trump is worse
long term for like the fabric of america nixon was moving like a nigerian governor
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he was what i get was crazy bro nixon was crazy blatantly so So...
Was Nixon the Vietnam president? I think one of, yeah.
I just... Honestly, my brain, the only thing I can think about with Nixon is Watergate.
My brain doesn't even allow me to process anything else. One of my favorite
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comedians once said that people complain about American politicians now,
but they don't know what guys were alive during the 70s, 60s went through.
People saw their president cry, apologized for his actions, and.
Gets into a helicopter and never and he was
never seen like he was again for the rest of his
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life like he just disappeared like he just weaved and
disappeared and no one saw him again and that
was the end of nixon you know so the next guy
we're talking about gerald ford he's nixon's vp but
he's not nixon's original vp because which i
actually kind of forgot nixon the original vp was
hung guilty of corruption and resigned even before watergate
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come on watergate scandal nixon had
lost his vp and so he went and got
the minority leader who was gerald ford and made
him vp and the thing about is that like at
this point in time gerald ford was just a guy who was like like blindly loyal
to nixon like so many people hated nixon
by this point like his own party opposition nobody liked the
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guy but then there was this little guy who he had forgotten his
boy boy from back then was in the house he then made
vp so gerald ford has the honor or
whatever he's the only unelected unelected american
president because he was not elected on vp tickets yeah
like the other presidents obviously that they you know the president was assassinated
and the vice president then becomes president different because they were on
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the original they were the og ticket john ford was never on any he only won
election i think in michigan or where
he's also Also the only one whose assassination attempts were by women.
And both of those women we can quickly talk about. Let's go.
There's like this clip of Gerald Ford that's been going viral from,
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I think, like 1974, where he says the only way a woman can become president
is if she's vice president and
the president dies, that America will never elect a woman to be president.
And he's answering, I think, a little girl's question. Do you know?
And i was like well gerald doesn't know anything about winning elections and
he also doesn't know anything about women that's why they were trying to off him but
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it's so funny because you every time i see
history being consumed it's like
sometimes people just consume it as
oh that is knowledge from the past no that's
gerald ford guys i don't know like you know what i'm saying it's like
somebody watching trump 20 30 years down
the line and being like yeah you know like he that
(31:29):
that it's not enlightening just because the color is
different the color grading it's not because of his haircut guys
it's gerald ford he didn't do anything he
was a very bad president for three years and he america
has really been through this they have but that's also sometimes when people
are like i don't want to why must i live an unprecedented time i'm like shut
up yeah you're cooling like what why do the people who live when they drop two
(31:53):
atomic bombs down on japan how
do you process the people who lived through Vietnam and the crack crisis,
I want like I have my thoughts on Japan in World War 2 as well I hear you yeah I hear you.
Japan look Japan before for
like we're better off that they've chilled yeah it had
(32:13):
to happen on a crazy level no not like that not like
that but they had I can never agree with that I don't
agree I don't think the bomb had to happen I don't
agree with I know but something had to happen they had to calm down but someone
had to say guy chill and america
unfortunately was the only one i think
america is like that america is a country that like they're excessive in every
(32:38):
single thing if you if you tap america they will shoot you and that's exactly
what happened yes the scale between Pearl Harbor and Nagasaki and Hiroshima is insane,
it's it's so unbalanced but at the same time.
Obviously, these are all human rights violations, so I can't speak to what would
(33:01):
have been an appropriate response,
but I'm telling you now, if you read the history of Japan in the Russo-Japanese
War or the Indo-Japanese War, everything Japan had done to just Southeast Asia
as a whole, it's over a hundred years.
Crazy i think it was after world war
one something got into their sake and they
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were like you know what this asia side there's something
wrong here and we're the only ones that can fix it
i think for me right is that i want to know how island like japan and the uk
just tiny pieces of can wreak havoc like no i think about japan and the uk as
(33:46):
unique they're very specific.
Because they're very tiny because how did england do
that yeah like england how did the great
british how do y'all do that shit from your
tiny little island how did japan japan japan
put china on because even if you
look at china bro if you look at
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like like by the end of the day the british empire is from
the roman empire but at least
the roman empire seat was massive it was spread it was multiple emperors at
the same time it was a the triumph triumvirate or whatever it's called you know
it was spread out and it was massive but england is so small not just in terms of.
(34:33):
Mass as an island just in terms of personnel working
parts but they just i don't know how they do it
so good on them i wonder i went to do like a breakdown of
the british empire and it's working it's going to take me a
while to figure it out but when i figure it out i'll come here let's
quickly run through this gf just yes
the two babes who try to kill gerald ford
(34:55):
and then we'll call it a day because both of
us are tired why did i choose this one because like i want to do a whole episode
on telly i think that might be your favorite american president not just in
terms of but just like how he looks and how he presented how his mind worked
everything I love I can't say this I can't because I'm an adult,
(35:18):
my top two Americans no no no my top two Americans of all time.
All time nancy pelosi and teddy
roosevelt they battle for first position and
i can't tell you how exciting i find them i think somebody else who is aligned
with me is cardi b because i was watching a clip i don't know if it was fdr
(35:41):
teddy but i think it was teddy but she was just like that that nigga was hard
as shit i'm teddy and i guessed dead or alive for me Yes.
I don't know, man. Man, Teddy Roosevelt.
Teddy's crazy. Not just like... It makes sense. It makes perfect sense.
Bro, I would get a Teddy Roosevelt tattoo if he wasn't a white man.
Seems, you know... There's this book I read when I was a kid.
(36:04):
I wasn't even that young. I think I was like 19. So what's the book called?
It's called The Five Fists of Science. And it was basically like historical fiction, right? Right.
So it's basically because just because of the fact that like that era had like
a bunch of really brilliant people.
So the whole idea was like, oh, the rise of fascism in Europe. Right. Yeah.
(36:24):
And who are the people that would correlate?
So it's basically Mark Twain, Nikola Tesla, Teddy Roosevelt.
And I can't remember. There's a woman and one more person. It was just Zoe Fitzgerald.
And like one more person. There's a bunch of people that happen to live in the same time. Okay.
And they were very good at what they did. So they came together to stop fascism as a group.
(36:48):
I can't believe I said I had two favorites, Americans and they were both white
people. I take that back.
Oh, no, no, no. You know, it's funny. Like when he said, whenever I think of
Pelosi, it's just her and Kente doing the kneeling.
That's the first thing that comes to mind i don't know how you go past that but
good for you good on you man hey you know what i'm sure there's way more to
her life than that nancy pelosi is one of the most legendary organizers in the
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history of america like she just gets her dad was something i think a governor
or something her dad was like a mafia type of politician.
But like she used to like sit at his feet and
that bitch learned and i appreciate he does other listeners because
i'm one of those like taking notes like she
(37:34):
was literally like she knew the ledger of who owed her dad
and who her dad like had supported like and with
how much he had supported them and who their nephew was and who their
uncle was and where their child went to school and that level
of you know i just
love it gr martin world building
where she does have like the charts of everyone like this is
(37:55):
the targaryen dynasty how do we leverage but nancy
is just back in my book because right now she's in my periphery based
off of jay biden stepping down because again she's the
leader of this crew and i like it i like it for her i
like it okay but no teddy that's my g but let's quickly talk about two women
who tried to kill gerald for the first one's called squeaky the reason why she's
(38:16):
called squeaky very uncomfortable reason what so she was kicked out of home
for being apparently promiscuous and insubordinate by her father when she was
in her first year of college.
And so after her first year of college, she is homeless on the streets of LA,
or somewhere in California.
And she becomes the second member of the Manson family.
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Apparently, Charles Manson saw her sitting outside on the road and said,
your parents kicked you out, didn't they?
And she immediately concluded that he was a psychic. Oh, God.
Because it's not obvious.
How did he know? How did he know? no, you are a young woman who doesn't look
poor, who's now homeless. Like, girl.
Okay. So she becomes a member of the Manson family.
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Ironically, she's not indicted or said to be involved in any of their horrible crimes.
If anyone listening doesn't know about the Manson crimes, maybe let us know
and we can do an episode on that.
The reason she was known as Squeaky is because, you know, the Manson family lived on a ranch.
It was called the Span Movie Ranch right outside of of Los Angeles and they
didn't really have money because again a bunch of bandits and the owner of the
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ranch was 80 years old he was a man called George Spann George Spann yes okay
that's a good name yes but in exchange for the.
The free rent george span was allowed to
have sexual relations with any of this
manson family wives when he wished and his
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favorite was squeaky who would
squeak whenever he pinched her thigh yeah
god oh my god yeah i told you
the nickname is it's just yeah now following
the murders in 1969 by the
manson family and the arrest of charles manson
from squeaky never stopped
(40:08):
but what should i call her should i call her lynette let
me call her lynette calling her squeaky is a bit odd it feels weird
it feels yeah it feels kind of creepy but after
the incidents obviously charles manson was found guilty
of murder sentenced to life and lynette did
not leave his side so actually she moved
with him near the Folsom prison where he
(40:31):
was she moved to Sacramento so she could stay close to
him and visit him in jail that's what I was like the Manson
family was that's the very freaky cult
where the wives all what do they do like cut off something I
don't even know well I mean they were planning murders yeah
planning murders but even after he was arrested they like did something to him
he became like a very oh yeah they were
(40:51):
sending him like a lots of letters with like body parts attached to it
yeah very bizarre times so anyways
she was in sacramento and while she was in sacramento she was chilling one day.
She was watching the news and she realized oh gerald ford is in town and he.
Will be speaking at the sacramento convention center on the 5th of september.
1974 and he had just asked congress to relax provisions of the clean air act.
(41:18):
Why lynette was like that is really
bad that's really bad for the environment so
let me save the environment i like white
people man they like saving shit they do that
they do so she strapped an antique 45 caliber
colt pistol holy shit to her left thigh
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dressed up in a bright red
dress which is certainly a choice she was not.
Trying to of blending it was looking like an emoji yeah bright
red dress with a matching hood and she headed to the
grounds outside the state capitol building where the
president was heading for his breakfast speech this is
on the morning of the 5th of september she pushed her
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way all the way to the front aimed the 45 caliber
colt semi-automatic pistol at joel
ford but then was immediately basically subdued
by secret service agents when her gun failed
to fire although the gun was loaded it
was later revealed that there was no round in the
(42:21):
chamber when she was arrested she was apparently shouting it
wouldn't go off it wouldn't go off can you believe
it it wouldn't go off they later
found the round that should have been in
the chamber on her bathroom floor that's crazy
she she loaded everything but the one that's that
man won russian roulette she forgot the bullets
(42:42):
she forgot the bullet but it was loaded with
other bullets but like the the last shape yeah that
is just to prove how lucky gerald
ford was i mean oxford lynette goes to prison right for
attempted assassination she should yeah while
in prison she attacked another inmate with
a hammer and then she escaped
(43:05):
she escaped from prison you
want to know where she was headed the manson family ranch.
No the manson family prison she was trying to
go to charles manson's prison okay she escaped her
prison to go and meet charles manson
in his own prison no because she
didn't make it she was found after two days but like again why
(43:27):
you want to know something very unique about this
story apart from the fact that women are trying to kill gerald ford apart
from the fact that somebody shoots him one bullet
is missing one and it's the one that counts is that that was the 5th of september
on the 22nd of september another woman tries susan sarah j more sarah j also
(43:52):
escapes from prison sarah j is a female sponsor,
Okay. Sorry, go on. I'm glad I didn't know that, and you did. It's not even a fan.
It's entire. Sorry, I'm done. I'm done for you. So, yeah, Lynette was in prison
for 34 years, and she was released in 2009.
(44:14):
And when she was interviewed in 2019, she said she was still in love with Charles Manson.
That's really all she has to say. Is he in there? I don't even know. Oh, man, I don't...
He should be dead. I mean, he... I would hope the fuck so. I think he was shot.
Oh, well, so that is Lynette Squeaky.
(44:34):
The first woman who tried to kill Gerald Ford. What year was this? 1975.
That's not a long time ago. No, she got out in 2009. The second attempt was
17 days later, on the 27th of September. He was having a September to remember.
Do you remember? Ma-pa-pa.
(44:56):
Bro first of all like why are
people trying to kill you so badly you ain't even do
nothing he was not doing much was gerald ford remembered for being a sucky president
but yes sergey moore was a woman from west virginia and she was an accountant
a nursing student and married five Five times with four children all before the time she was 30.
(45:22):
Nice. She's active. Yes.
Now, Sarah Jane is real interesting because at some point in time,
first of all, she was like born a Christian and then she goes like spiritual
earth, you know. You know how that goes.
At some point in time, she volunteers to be an informant for the FBI to join
(45:45):
like, to spy on leftist groups.
It's an anti-vietnam war peace love movement post you know climates tree loving tree hugging era,
while spying on the leftist movement she was
like they have a point she converted she not only converted she then became
(46:05):
extreme and then tried to kill the president you know this was like a christian
lady sometimes i look at these stories and i feel like i'm being lied to she
was like Like in these leftist political groups.
And she was just like, okay, I was spying for the FBI, but now I'm on the side
of the people I was spying on. And now I have to do something drastic.
(46:29):
She believed that the only way to fix the problems that were going on with Vietnam,
with, you know, the climate and whatever, was to kill the head of the U.S. president.
Because she was like, it's America's fault. And if I kill the guy on top,
everything will fix itself.
Which is like the idea of most assassinations and also why they don't work. True.
(46:51):
Like, very rarely are you like, if you kill the guy on top, everybody will fall in line.
It doesn't work like that. that i just what gives me that
idea i don't know only crews work like
that yeah like unless you are taking over
like just killing somebody no it's
not effective his second in command is taking over and
(47:12):
he's second in command because they have the same opinions usually so
basically following the attempt
on java 4's life by lynette squeaky
the secret service were like let's take our jobs a bit more seriously so they
started investigating some people sarah jane was one of those people in fact
(47:34):
the day before she tried to kill the president they had actually seized a gun from her.
Yes so i think like the secret service has sent local police out to bc like
investigate her they They found an unregistered weapon with a .44 caliber revolver
and 113 rounds of ammunition.
(47:57):
That's a lot of rounds. That's a lot of rounds. And they seized the .45.
13 would be a lot of rounds.
113. Yeah. So they seized the revolver and the ammo. But this is America.
Okay, wait. She went to Target and bought more ammo. Yeah, she just went and
bought another gun. She went and bought another gun the next morning.
(48:18):
Okay no so this is the thing she this is
so crazy because america why are you like this like why seize
the gun if you can't go and get one in walmart
you can literally get guns in walmart you can
get jello you can get t-shirts
you can get a car saying get well soon for your auntie
that has malaria and you can get the gun for
(48:39):
your uncle that didn't take care of your auntie when exactly so she
had meticulously planned her attempt on Gerald Ford's life she was not gonna
make the mistake Lynette made she had was doing shooting practice she had practiced
well her marksmanship had was but what happened they seized her 44 caliber revolver.
(49:05):
And so she ends up acquiring a 38 caliber revolver.
The newly fired revolver had misaligned sights on the gun.
So on the morning of the 22nd, when Jalford walks outside of the St.
Francis Hotel in San Francisco.
She was standing 40 feet away from him
(49:26):
and she fired a single shot at
him and missed him by five inches she then
tried to raise her arm to fire again
and that's when oliver sipple the former marine grabbed
her arm as she was firing and said
this bitch got a gun he said that
(49:47):
in an interview you in like recording in
the reports i see it says that he said i saw her
out there with a gun and i grabbed for it i earned i lunged and
grabbed the woman's arm and the gun went off but i
saw a clip online of him saying that bitch got a question was he secret service
no just a retired marine that was out there to just see the president just out
(50:08):
with the crowds hoping to see a president right the second shot that was fired
i think either hit the limousine or the hotel door i'm.
Not entirely sure apparently gerald ford was then you just
thrown into the limousine and secret service agents were lying
on top of him and he was shouting at
(50:28):
them saying i'm going to be crushed to death this is
an armored plated car get off of
me like he shots me already they shot ass
me already he missed we're in the fucking car already
which is like so funny because everyone's like oh my god the
secret service was always an exceptional organization how
did they fuck up with trump it looks like they have been fucking up for
(50:49):
a minute i'm sorry american exceptionalism
was to key americans everything that
we have been taught to believe by hollywood has come crashing down
okay my favorite is just like how especially with
this podcast we've realized how dumb the cia were bro like
they're like everyone's like how could the secret service do that
(51:09):
like they were so highly respected they don't
know it seems like yeah there are
people who make mistakes like humans do
all around the world so yeah but also sarah
jane moore also went to jail by the way like at her trial she was like no regrets
she just pled guilty she was like i'm guilty no regrets for do it again funny
(51:32):
funniest bit about this is that i watched an interview they interviewed her
after the trump incident and they're like how do you feel about this and she was like.
I'm expected so she was like you want me to say I learned something in prison
like her energy was killing me.
She was like yeah she was like I mean,
if i if i suck she generally seems like she
(51:53):
generally believes that like if i succeeded it would have done
what i wanted to do which is killed your foot nobody else died so i don't feel
bad like i went to jail i'm out i think she's like in her 90s now or something
where you see something she's old but in 1979 like four years after the incident
she escaped from prison but
(52:14):
only for like four hours four hours yeah
from prison if
you could would i escape from prison if i could
that's a very tough question like i'm
not built for prison yeah but also part
of me is because like one thing i hate doing is talking
to people so like some boys some part of
(52:35):
me feels like if i was left alone by myself for a long period of time i would
feel at peace i'll be be like this is a sabbatical it depends on my prison term
right if you're giving me like 90 days i'm like this is the time to write the
book i think so this is the time write the book okay.
But if it's like 15 years i'm escaping bro yeah because i will die mentally
(53:02):
have you seen what happens to people when they come out of like solitary and
stuff they're like literally messed I see you're escaping.
I will. The thing about it is that, like, I will escape, okay? I will. I don't know how.
It will happen. But I will make alliances.
I will give you guys Prison Break Season 7. That's what it's going to be.
(53:25):
They're going to be like, how did she do it?
I will learn the pipes, the vents.
I would know the warden's wife's name. I would know his favorite high school
subject. I am escaping, okay?
I'm out of there. i'm out of there because why am i
an animal cage me there's no way but
also like you know i don't believe in violence i don't i
(53:46):
don't see why i'll end up in prison the only thing
i can see for some family political prisoner because these
days it seems like more likely you know yeah
this government likes picking up people yeah
i'm yeah i'm starting to seem
like me and dss's yellow loo
house might meet before my 40th birthday i hope
(54:07):
not i don't like stressful situations somebody
messaged me yesterday like i like your bravery i said what did i say now what
did i say that requires you to think this is brave because why am i like this
when someone first started i used to be so anxious like the first week after every episode like damn
(54:30):
what did i say what have i done and now i'm just like yeah i i think like for
me sometimes like one time i said something and someone dm me like you can't
see this now that you're a journalist on our eyes and i text them back i said
please put on your tv i'm about to say you don't.
I don't know what you think this is put on it put it
(54:51):
on right i said put it on right dsv youtube are you joking what are you what
are you telling me i can't say that philip shibu is lacking philip shibu said
my mind is in apc but my body is in pdp and i said well i wonder where his sense is.
(55:13):
And said you can't say like sense i
said of course you can of course i can't of
course an adc died a policeman
died nobody cares for him his family
his name nothing they've gone about nothing has changed
nothing has changed now his mind and body then
the next day well i maybe i took it too far because of
(55:36):
that statement the next day when he officially decamped to
the apc i said it seems philip shibu's mind and body
have been reunited yeah i maybe should
not have done that but again nothing has changed somebody has
died if i can't say that is a senseless act what what what can i say i was like
bro yeah gag me not oh my god no dead ass will you escape from prison 100 first
(56:02):
day first day i feel like you're too tall i don't know i think like No,
but tell our guys that I'm in prison. I don't know, man. I've been to prison.
Have you been to prison? I've been to Kiri Kiri. I've been to Kiri prison.
I've been to Kiri prison. Have you been to the FCC holding? Yes.
Okay. We go to the same prison, you? No.
I mean, guys, if you're listening, that's also where I went.
(56:24):
I was working for somebody who had a mother client.
I had a client who was this extremely wealthy woman.
And he was Cameroonian and he was also a French citizen
and he had a deal he was
so his business was importing and exporting stuff right yeah and he had it he
(56:44):
had an issue with customs yeah so they should have used their connections and
they got him in jail now this is a guy who had committed no crime he had done
nothing wrong like it was just very clearly abuse of power and one with
the court trying to explain everything and the customs people had brought in the FCC to,
(57:05):
carry him to carry him and to like just help us keep
their case as well and eventually we say oh he's not
feeling well and we have to get him out of here and the
FCC say oh it's a lie this that three weeks later
he dies in prison wow wow yeah
and I was going to I was going to go to
prison like every couple of days just
(57:28):
to talk to him to give him some provisions and stuff like
that was it was a mess did that affect you emotionally it affected my i mean
i won't lie like a part a big part of why i don't practice law i mean beyond
a myriad of other reasons it's just like a lack of belief in the legal system
if anything is going to make me do law again it has to be money.
(57:51):
And just like it'll be money it'll only be money money
is the only and that money is not for everyone that's the thing but
it's only money that can make me go and do law again i hear
you yeah i hear you sometimes like i feel as though nigeria is breaking my spirit
in terms of there's so many times that i want to do something either it's like
(58:13):
and you get this ugly voice in your head that says what's the point.
It's not an ugly voice it's an evil voice evil
evil what's the point there's a
point to and there is like it's a point like and
i don't know this is going to sound very dumb and i'll end the
episode here because obviously my brain is needs rest but it's
(58:34):
like when i do my makeup and i underpaint i'm
like i wait for it to dry before i blend i do
my i take certain steps so it comes out
looking a certain way and it would not look that
way if i just slapped it all on at once it wouldn't right but
like these like steps and these things that
you do these little processes that matter that
(58:55):
nobody else sees that takes slightly longer time that
it's not necessarily even hard it might just be tedious this tediousness of
life we don't have that in our leadership
and we don't it seems like we don't even have that
or support that in our culture like people are looking
for every corner now to cut in every way
that that's why we drive the way we drive no it's
(59:18):
true like if they can't cut they
will cut when when is the route for soon as and someone just
comes and makes it third lane and then someone else comes and makes it yeah
like people are just trying to
and in all those lanes there are
still people that are running up and down and like chance moving between them
it's just it's insane it's so much chaos and it's like can we just do the tedious
(59:42):
proper thing can we do follow the process can we line up wait can we wait and.
When you were in law school didn't you have that thing where like.
Thumb prints thumb prints and you just see the people waiting in line and you're
like what happened to you guys like did they ever make a line king like,
You know what a lion king is? Like, somebody who's in charge of the lion numbers.
(01:00:05):
So, basically, this is a real thing.
It's called the rat king. And it happened a lot in Europe.
Okay. And it's where, in the sewer systems and just, like, disgusting areas.
Trigger warning for people listening. This gets a bit gross.
But, like, Europe was so dirty that, like, rats would, like, just pile on each other.
(01:00:26):
And they would be together. And their tails would stick.
And they could only move together as a unit oh that's
oh that's disgusting like i see
in night i see like line kings
like cute like people trying to queue but
there's no actual line so they're just like stuck together and like
this kind of crowd and it's disgusting i'm
(01:00:48):
like how can you be touching like it's just like why oh yeah i
went to law school and to thumbprint yeah
out it was always the worst experience of my life every day and i was just like
how can you live like this you're adults yes but they don't they don't even
like i hate to really put it like this because one of the scariest things for
(01:01:09):
me as a foreign student was actually seeing how.
Infantilized university graduates were like the fact that you would stand up
i told somebody this and i'm like for me if the most like maybe dystopian out-of-body
experience was the first time they told a section to stand up and start reciting
reciting whatever it was please,
(01:01:30):
of agreement i dash of dash on dash
of that i don't even remember that
i feel like my brain has blocked out most of those memories
like and i'm just like this is how you're teaching
the law to people over 24 25
grown-ups they're 30 years
here they're 40 i did dino
(01:01:52):
bio at duke that was my joke class freshman year i
did dinosaur biology even that class was taught more
seriously that corporate corporate law in nigerian law school like it was taught
with more seriousness and order and sophistication dino bio about stegosaurus
okay it was taught more seriously than nigerian law school strange people anyways
(01:02:15):
thank you guys for working with us.
I mean, this is a long one. I wonder how.
I think people like it. People enjoy the long episodes. So, I will leave it then.
But thank you guys for sticking with us, for working with us and it's good to
be back. See you soon. Adios.
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