April 19, 2025 • 24 mins
Twila Brase, RN, PHN, cofounder of Citizen's Council for Health Freedom joins me to discuss the RealID law, enforcement options, and your rights. She reviews the dangers this law poses, despite reassurances from the government it will be used properly.
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(00:05):
Welcome to a special episode of the Dr.
Mollie James show.
This is just in time for real.
Id coming out.
It's supposed to be launched in just a few weeks.
We are blessed to have Twila Brase with us.
She's the co-founder of Citizen's Council for Health Freedom, and she reached out to me long before this became popular in the media and said, we need to talk about this real ID thing.
So Twila Brase, welcome to the show.
(00:26):
So it's great to be here, Mollie.
Thank you.
Yes.
Give people a little bit of background.
We're gonna get into the real id.
But tell 'em a little bit about your background, because you have been a, an advocate for health freedom and personal health information for a long time.
So Citizens Council for Health Freedom started about 27 years ago.
I've been doing this for 30 years.
(00:47):
We had an organization for three years before this one, and so then this one is another 27 years and really started with the Clintons trying to take over healthcare and.
Nationalize the entire healthcare system.
And I just decided that must not happen.
'cause if they take over healthcare, they will take over the country.
And you know what, we all saw that in Covid, right? We know now how that works and that's just like truer than I wanted it to be.
(01:15):
And so one of the.
Our mission is to protect patient and doctor freedom.
And then a lot of what we do has to do with privacy because we say he who holds the data, makes the rules, and sometimes in order to get people to understand really where we are in healthcare today, I know we're talking about real id, but there are some connections here.
(01:36):
But where we are in healthcare today is to say what I always tell audiences.
That the mission of medicine has been taken over by the business of healthcare and patients.
And doctors feel that every day that they are together.
Yes, patients have really become a commodity for big medicine.
And doctors have become a necessary cog in their profit making system.
(02:01):
Yes.
If we didn't have healthcare, we wouldn't need a doctor, and they cannot have profit unless they have doctors and patients.
But it doesn't mean that doctors have to feel good.
Doctors have to feel like they're being respected for who they are.
Or patients get better.
It just doesn't matter.
It's just their profiteering system.
Yeah, and I always felt that way when I was in the system that I was just an inconvenience for the used car salesman that became administrators for the system and talking to me about how my business ran in the clinic.
(02:29):
When they said a patient can can't get into you for seven days.
I said a patient can get into me in about 30 minutes.
So if they choose not to get in for seven days, that's their choice.
So correct.
Your scale there, my, my friend, what's the deal with real id? Because I just went through the airport, I was flying out and they said, if you don't get a real ID by May 7th, you cannot fly.
(02:49):
And I said, you're lying to me.
And then I got chose for a random search.
Ooh, you used.
Fighting words.
Yes, it's true that they were lying to you.
So I think it's really important to understand a little bit about real idea.
I'm trying to think if I should just say, today or should people understand really what this thing is.
So lemme just start with a little bit of history.
(03:11):
So in 2005 on the floor of the US Senate Tennessee.
Senator Lamar Alexander cautioned about this.
He said, this is a national identification card, the first one that would ever happen in the United States of America.
And I'm not comfortable doing this without a public debate, but did they have a public debate? No.
(03:33):
They simply passed it into law.
And then what happened is that within three years in 2008, the Department of Homeland Security puts out this.
Rule telling states what they have to do to comply.
And that's when state legislators realize, hello, what on earth is going on here? You're going to take away our state's rights over identification and driving.
(03:57):
That's not gonna happen.
And so 25 states wrote laws and passed laws saying we will not comply.
And 12 states passed resolutions opposing real id, and there it sat.
Until late 2015 when Obama said, you can't fly.
And so that was a lie then.
(04:19):
It's a lie today.
But really what happened at that point was there were different legislators.
It became it came out in the media.
That people could not fly.
The media just carried this message, from one end of the United States to the other, and the people panicked, and then they called their legislators and their legislators caved.
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So over the next two years, in 20 16, 20 17, and even a little through 2018 all of the states passed laws to conform with the unconstitutional federal overreach called Real id.
That ID is a national a national a national identification system.
(05:01):
It is federal, it is not state.
Anyone who has a real ID has a star on their card.
In California, it's a bear with a star inside of the bear.
There are a few iterations, but almost all of them are stars and and it's not just your driver's license with a star.
It's part of a real ID system.
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You notice it's not called a real driver's license, right? No, it's a real id.
It's a federal identification system, a national id.
It's unconstitutional.
It's a suppression of state's rights, the 10th Amendment and individual rights, the fourth amendment, and I think I'll add right here so people understand really what the a really big concern is.
(05:45):
Is that the organization that is like the head or the trade group of the DMVs around the country, they testified to Congress on December 5th, 2023 about their plans beyond Real id.
That's what the testimony was called.
And they said that their plan is to digitize it.
Put it on our phones and have remote access to it.
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And and once it's digitized, really, it becomes a tracking system.
Every time you use it, it pings the DMV.
They know where you've gone, how you've used it.
They know everything.
So what we're really talking about here is the building of a system that could allow the China social credit system to take place in the this country called America.
(06:32):
This is really the personal identification equivalent of the central digital currency.
Correct.
That is a really good way to put it.
That is correct.
Okay.
So what do you say to those people? Because again, I feel like anytime you post on Twitter, you get the brain trust, you get the pros and the cons, and you know that the entire debate within 30 posts, the people that say they have your picture already, they have your driver's license, they're tracking you already.
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What do you say to those critics? What's the big deal? One is they're not.
So they're not, because your driver's license does not work.
Like the real ID is going to work once they digitize it.
They're not doing that today.
If they were doing that today, they wouldn't have this big push to make it happen.
They're pushing because they don't have it now.
(07:19):
If you're just talking about privacy.
Yeah.
There are a variety of ways and people.
Nexus Lexus, I think they can put together all this data about you.
And as a matter of fact, when I went to the airport one time and I had lost my ID in the airport and all my money but anyway, they let me fly.
After taking me into a little corner, having a discussion with me being on the phone with this place and this place, said, ask her what was her first email address? What was the color of her first car? What was the age of her first car? They have all of this kind of information, but that doesn't mean that they're like tracking you and every place that you go and every purchase that you make, and every person that you are with, right? And every travel or every place you go or every hotel that you rent it, that is not happening today.
(08:10):
But that is what will happen under the real id, and this is actually less.
About privacy than it is about the control that the lack of privacy allows.
It's not so much about do you care that you were with John Smith at the theater? Maybe you don't, but would you care if they decided that there are certain kind of movies you should never go to, and what do you doing at that theater? Or like during Covid, when they look at your phones and they bought that information from one of those collection folks, right? And then they knew if you were with another person and how many people, and how many people were at that event.
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And you know that.
So this kind of thing, we need to stop.
We do not need to say, oh no big deal, because this is all about your freedom, your autonomy.
And we say that privacy is the foundation of freedom, so we have to protect it.
Absolutely.
And we're on a slippery slope here because if you think about what Bank Amer of America did around January 6th, the J six, yes they looked at the credit card transactions.
(09:12):
So this is a very slippery slope.
If they have this federal id, then they know exactly who was there, and prosecutions can happen.
People think that this is way out there.
I just wanna say in 1997, the governor of Minnesota wanted us all to have a min card.
I'm in Minnesota, right? A min card.
And on that card would be access to your medical records, your phone, your workspace, your bank.
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All of this stuff was gonna be there with one 33rd party vendor.
And all the government would've had to do is to call the third party vendor and say.
Shut it down, and that'd be it.
No access to phone, no medical records, no access to your job, nothing.
No money, nothing.
So this is this has been happening for a long time and real ideas the way that they plan to finish the job, and we have to stop them.
(10:05):
And we saw this in China, we actually saw the video of people couldn't go to work because they hadn't had their swabs or they hadn't had their shots.
So they're using this for actual control in China right now.
Sad to think that they could do that here.
And the VAX passport, right? That is something that they tried to do in this country, and they just got all sorts of people who are like, no, you're not gonna do that to us.
(10:28):
And yet here we have all these people who are like, Hey, it's been a law for 20 years.
Get with it.
And they don't understand.
And a lot of them, when you look at their Twitter accounts, they're MAGA people.
They're MAHA people.
And so they tend to be more freedom.
People, and they have just been sold a bill of goods about what this is.
They're like, this is just an ID card with a star on, get over it.
(10:50):
Yeah.
No, it's not.
It's not.
It's not.
And the interesting analogy here, because Christie Nome came out through the Department of Homeland Security and said, you need this to fly as of May 7th.
First of all, that was a lie again.
Yes.
From the secretary of.
Yes.
What do you need to fly? Are there, are we going to be grounded if we don't have a real Id? Tell us about the enforcement of that.
(11:14):
So they came out with a rule in October and a proposed rule, and we there were 63 public comments when we found out about the rule.
And by the time we were done with it, there were 31,700 public comments.
And yet the department says only 11,000 people parti made comments.
And I'm like, I got the screenshot.
(11:34):
I got the screenshot of more than 30 comments.
But anyway, they said they, their plan was for the next two years, starting on May 7th to do progressive enforcement and progressive consequences.
And so we have a document and I encourage people, I'm just gonna hold this up.
It's called the Yes, you Can Fly Without Real ID document.
(11:56):
Okay.
And and we have quotes in there from the rule itself.
And the thing to, to understand is, yes, you can fly for several reasons.
One, you can fly because.
Even if you didn't have a real id, even if they actually put the hammer down on May 7th, you could have a passport.
You could have a military id, you could have a VA medical id.
(12:17):
There are 15 other TSA acceptable IDs and so to just say.
A car blanc that if you don't come with a real id, you cannot fly from the highest echelons of our government.
To have her say that Boldfaced lie is just unbelievable.
She should be fired.
(12:37):
She really should be fired because you shouldn't lie to the American people like that.
And then on Fox.
Fox yesterday.
The Chiron, below that little message with words in that said, you need a real ID to fly on May 7th.
And I listened to her words.
'cause I, 'cause then she tweeted that out, right? And she said, you need a real ID or a passport or whatever.
(12:58):
And I'm like, did you say that in the Fox News interview? I didn't hear it in the Fox News interview.
And as far as Fox was concerned.
You need a real ID to fly.
So they put it on the Chiron, right? So much line to get the people to panic, to get them to conform and submit to this unconstitutional real id.
So you can on, here's what I was gonna say is this final rule that came out in January.
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I have specific quotes in this.
Yes, you can fly so that you know exactly what they said and what they said is if we, mandate this on May 7th.
We will have operational disruptions, we will have confusion, we will have backlash against the security agents.
So we're not going to do that.
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We're gonna give flexibility and by delaying the deadline, we will de, we will not have all these big delays at the airport.
And so this is what they said in their own rule.
In her rule, her department's rule said that this is what we're going to do, but yet out of her mouth.
Come these words to cause the panic that the rule doesn't even ask for.
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So it's really unbelievable.
So likely when you go to the airport, you're gonna get some kind of warning.
And they're gonna tell you that, you're going to have need a real id to fly.
But even this this rule says this, I just have to say what this rule says.
'cause it's so interesting they say that this, I'm quoting given the scope of potential phased enforcement plan.
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So that means over the entire government which range from full enforcement.
To non-enforcement through the two year period non-enforcement.
They're not gonna enforce it.
They're gonna intimidate you.
They're going to threaten you.
They're going to cause panic, but they're potentially not.
So some agencies, including the TSA for instance, could actually do non-enforcement.
(14:57):
They could actually just keep giving you warnings.
May 5th, 2027, we're gonna put the hammer down.
So for the next two years, they just give warnings.
Yet out of Christie's Christie Noam's mouth comes this.
If you arrive on May 7th with no real id, we will not allow you to fly.
It's so bring a passport.
(15:19):
I always tell people, bring a passport.
Don't take the real ID because the real ID is your submission to their power.
And it's unconstitutional.
And so don't do it.
It's meant for many other things.
You know when people say we already ha if we have a passport, they have our information already.
You're not going to be required to come to the pa, come with a passport to the store to show your identification, right? This real idea is meant for all sorts of purposes, and what people don't understand is what the law permits.
(15:51):
So the law itself says that there are three official purposes, access to federal buildings, access to nuclear facilities, and access to commercial flight, and then it adds these words and any other purposes that the Secretary of Homeland Security shall determine.
The sky is open.
(16:13):
She could decide that you had to show a real ID to buy a gun to open a bank account.
To get married to access medical care.
And I really believe as a health freedom organization, that if they wanted to get everybody to submit, she would put in the rule.
She would.
And she doesn't have to ask Congress or the president according to their own rules there they have set.
(16:38):
We don't think we have to ask anybody to simply expand the required uses.
So they would just tell people that now you need a real ID to access medical care.
And then everybody would submit.
'cause everybody doesn't have to fly, but everybody needs a doctor.
Yeah.
And so this is why we're in the fight.
Plus the fact is with digitizing it, the real I requires a biometric of your face.
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So here's the government mapping out your face and claiming that data your face for their own property.
But the rule says that they can expand the biometrics required so they could expand it to fingerprints, palm prints, iris scans your.
Voice if they did it all.
Digital, right? Your voice your gate, whatever, all the biometrics that they have.
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And so this is also a violation just of your body and the integrity of your body.
And the fact that the government wants to claim all of these things is theirs to control you and track you.
So you should never submit to the real Id get a passport if you're worried.
I think.
This is all a big scare tactic for May 7th to get as many people to get that real idea as possible.
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And then on May 7th, the TSA is going to say, we're just gonna hand out notices, but it will say on the DHS website, department of Homeland Security, exactly what the TSA is going to do whatever their enforcement plan is going to be.
So I guess we will see.
It's gonna be utter chaos because I go to the airport fairly regularly.
(18:14):
I have clear, which some people argue you already have your biometrics.
I'm like that's a private company.
So yes, I do, but every time I go, it's a different story every time I go.
'cause I declined the photo.
I'm like, I just had my photo.
I don't need another photo at your booth.
And oh, it creates all kinds of havoc.
But every single agent tells me something different.
(18:35):
Yes.
So I can't imagine standardizing this across an entire nation worth of a useless agency such as tsa.
The TSA in Miami told me that you wouldn't be able to opt out of that camera, which by the way, they tell me that too all the time.
They said on May 7th, and I said, oh, you mean real id? And I didn't bother to tell them that, that won't even be real, on May 7th.
(19:00):
But they said no.
The camera because they bought all these cameras and people are opting out of them.
And it's a waste of money if people don't do this.
So they intend to capture everything.
Yeah.
And we have to opt out and refuse.
So some of the interesting critics or parallels to this, it says you and maga, you're okay with a real id, which we're again, we're not, or you want No, let me flip that.
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You want an ID to vote, but you don't want an ID for real Id.
So that's some of the criticism from the left is you're okay with this, but you're not okay with that.
So what do you say to those critics? Okay, so voting like driving, like identification has always been within the state purview.
(19:43):
The states could do this.
The fact that states like Minnesota and California are letting illegals get driver's license is a state problem.
All we have to do is have a Harris administration, for example, at the federal level, and for them to decide that, oh, illegals can get real IDs too.
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That's all right.
This is not about, this is not about, oh, if we have a federal id, we will solve the problem with illegals.
No.
This is about a federal takeover in this country of everyone and every state.
And those 37 states that said no because they saw that this was a usurpation of state's rights in the 10th Amendment.
(20:26):
It's still.
And all it has to do with is an administration.
The wonderful thing about 50 states is that the 50 states can check each other, as it were, right? But once you have a federal law and then the administration says, oh, I think we'll let illegals in.
Okay, what are you gonna do now? Now you're gonna pull yourself out of real id.
(20:47):
You're gonna extract yourself from real id.
The time to fight is now the time to stop it, is now.
You have always brought attention to issues that are really important that we maybe don't know about and don't understand, so I appreciate you breaking that down for me.
Any last thoughts regarding people out there who may still be on the fence? Obviously we're gonna say no to real Id, we're gonna get a passport.
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How, what do you say to people to protect their privacy and their freedom? In this case, one of the things that I would say is tell your state legislator you wanted them to extract you from this federal law.
And there are about 10 or 11 states that ha have legislators that have introduced repeal.
A real ID in this state.
(21:34):
So the movement is there.
You're not gonna hear about that in the news, to ask your legislators to do that, send them to our organization.
We know the states that are doing this.
We're helping the states.
Then the other thing I would, this is a really big deal.
You see this right here? So it says lose the real id.
Switch back to freedom.
(21:55):
So make the switch.
There are 45 states that allow you to have a state, a standard state driver's license.
So get your passport switch back to a standard state driver's license.
When they get enough real id, they're going to want to flip the switch and suddenly say.
Everybody's gotta have it.
So don't let them, don't let them do that.
Start flipping back to your standard driver's license and don't let them have this opportunity to pull you into the net and take power over your life and track you, monitor you, make judgments about where you go.
(22:28):
Where do you use that card of yours? Where have you been? What are they gonna know about? Where you've been? So the go to Refuse real id.org,
and that is our website.
If there's anybody out there that wants to put up a billboard, we have a fantastic billboard that says Refuse real id.org.
Real id, no national ID threatens freedom.
(22:49):
And then we have this wonderful little, triangle Red triangle at the top that says you can't fly is a lie.
And so our first billboard went up in just east of downtown Dallas.
And the next billboard is going up in Kentucky, land of Rand Paul.
And Rand Paul is the only one.
Senator Rand Paul is the only one who's ever had a repeal real ID Bill.
(23:11):
You can contact him as well.
Contact your members of Congress and say, shut this down.
We understand now what this is, shut it down, and and if you want a billboard in your state, we would be more than happy if, we're looking for people to fund them, but we'd be more than happy to do the work to get it up.
We just need the funds to get up wherever you'd like it.
Thank you so much, Twila.
(23:31):
Tell people where they can follow you and find you so that they can stay on top of information that you bring to light every day.
Sure.
So if you're on X, you can go to my name, Twila Bras, T-W-I-L-A, and you can go to CCH Freedom.
CCH Freedom that are, those are the Twitter or X handles.
And then our website is CCH freedom.org.
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CC CCH freedom.org.
I know we've got an Instagram too, but I can't remember what it is.
We'll find it.
I get in the show notes.
So thank you so much, Twila, for being here and thank you.
Tuning in for this special episode of the Dr.
Mollie James show.
Catch us next time.
We'll keep you updated on all the important news that's breaking.
Welcome to a special episode of the Dr.
Mollie James show.
This is just in time for real.
Id coming out.
It's supposed to be launched in just a few weeks.
We are blessed to have Twila Brase with us.
She's the co-founder of Citizen's Council for Health Freedom, and she reached out to me long before this became popular in the media and said, we need to talk about this real ID thing.
So Twila Brase, welcome to the show.
(00:26):
So it's great to be here, Mollie.
Thank you.
Yes.
Give people a little bit of background.
We're gonna get into the real id.
But tell 'em a little bit about your background, because you have been a, an advocate for health freedom and personal health information for a long time.
So Citizens Council for Health Freedom started about 27 years ago.
I've been doing this for 30 years.
(00:47):
We had an organization for three years before this one, and so then this one is another 27 years and really started with the Clintons trying to take over healthcare and.
Nationalize the entire healthcare system.
And I just decided that must not happen.
'cause if they take over healthcare, they will take over the country.
And you know what, we all saw that in Covid, right? We know now how that works and that's just like truer than I wanted it to be.
(01:15):
And so one of the.
Our mission is to protect patient and doctor freedom.
And then a lot of what we do has to do with privacy because we say he who holds the data, makes the rules, and sometimes in order to get people to understand really where we are in healthcare today, I know we're talking about real id, but there are some connections here.
(01:36):
But where we are in healthcare today is to say what I always tell audiences.
That the mission of medicine has been taken over by the business of healthcare and patients.
And doctors feel that every day that they are together.
Yes, patients have really become a commodity for big medicine.
And doctors have become a necessary cog in their profit making system.
(02:01):
Yes.
If we didn't have healthcare, we wouldn't need a doctor, and they cannot have profit unless they have doctors and patients.
But it doesn't mean that doctors have to feel good.
Doctors have to feel like they're being respected for who they are.
Or patients get better.
It just doesn't matter.
It's just their profiteering system.
Yeah, and I always felt that way when I was in the system that I was just an inconvenience for the used car salesman that became administrators for the system and talking to me about how my business ran in the clinic.
(02:29):
When they said a patient can can't get into you for seven days.
I said a patient can get into me in about 30 minutes.
So if they choose not to get in for seven days, that's their choice.
So correct.
Your scale there, my, my friend, what's the deal with real id? Because I just went through the airport, I was flying out and they said, if you don't get a real ID by May 7th, you cannot fly.
(02:49):
And I said, you're lying to me.
And then I got chose for a random search.
Ooh, you used.
Fighting words.
Yes, it's true that they were lying to you.
So I think it's really important to understand a little bit about real idea.
I'm trying to think if I should just say, today or should people understand really what this thing is.
So lemme just start with a little bit of history.
(03:11):
So in 2005 on the floor of the US Senate Tennessee.
Senator Lamar Alexander cautioned about this.
He said, this is a national identification card, the first one that would ever happen in the United States of America.
And I'm not comfortable doing this without a public debate, but did they have a public debate? No.
(03:33):
They simply passed it into law.
And then what happened is that within three years in 2008, the Department of Homeland Security puts out this.
Rule telling states what they have to do to comply.
And that's when state legislators realize, hello, what on earth is going on here? You're going to take away our state's rights over identification and driving.
(03:57):
That's not gonna happen.
And so 25 states wrote laws and passed laws saying we will not comply.
And 12 states passed resolutions opposing real id, and there it sat.
Until late 2015 when Obama said, you can't fly.
And so that was a lie then.
(04:19):
It's a lie today.
But really what happened at that point was there were different legislators.
It became it came out in the media.
That people could not fly.
The media just carried this message, from one end of the United States to the other, and the people panicked, and then they called their legislators and their legislators caved.
(04:40):
So over the next two years, in 20 16, 20 17, and even a little through 2018 all of the states passed laws to conform with the unconstitutional federal overreach called Real id.
That ID is a national a national a national identification system.
(05:01):
It is federal, it is not state.
Anyone who has a real ID has a star on their card.
In California, it's a bear with a star inside of the bear.
There are a few iterations, but almost all of them are stars and and it's not just your driver's license with a star.
It's part of a real ID system.
(05:22):
You notice it's not called a real driver's license, right? No, it's a real id.
It's a federal identification system, a national id.
It's unconstitutional.
It's a suppression of state's rights, the 10th Amendment and individual rights, the fourth amendment, and I think I'll add right here so people understand really what the a really big concern is.
(05:45):
Is that the organization that is like the head or the trade group of the DMVs around the country, they testified to Congress on December 5th, 2023 about their plans beyond Real id.
That's what the testimony was called.
And they said that their plan is to digitize it.
Put it on our phones and have remote access to it.
(06:09):
And and once it's digitized, really, it becomes a tracking system.
Every time you use it, it pings the DMV.
They know where you've gone, how you've used it.
They know everything.
So what we're really talking about here is the building of a system that could allow the China social credit system to take place in the this country called America.
(06:32):
This is really the personal identification equivalent of the central digital currency.
Correct.
That is a really good way to put it.
That is correct.
Okay.
So what do you say to those people? Because again, I feel like anytime you post on Twitter, you get the brain trust, you get the pros and the cons, and you know that the entire debate within 30 posts, the people that say they have your picture already, they have your driver's license, they're tracking you already.
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What do you say to those critics? What's the big deal? One is they're not.
So they're not, because your driver's license does not work.
Like the real ID is going to work once they digitize it.
They're not doing that today.
If they were doing that today, they wouldn't have this big push to make it happen.
They're pushing because they don't have it now.
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If you're just talking about privacy.
Yeah.
There are a variety of ways and people.
Nexus Lexus, I think they can put together all this data about you.
And as a matter of fact, when I went to the airport one time and I had lost my ID in the airport and all my money but anyway, they let me fly.
After taking me into a little corner, having a discussion with me being on the phone with this place and this place, said, ask her what was her first email address? What was the color of her first car? What was the age of her first car? They have all of this kind of information, but that doesn't mean that they're like tracking you and every place that you go and every purchase that you make, and every person that you are with, right? And every travel or every place you go or every hotel that you rent it, that is not happening today.
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But that is what will happen under the real id, and this is actually less.
About privacy than it is about the control that the lack of privacy allows.
It's not so much about do you care that you were with John Smith at the theater? Maybe you don't, but would you care if they decided that there are certain kind of movies you should never go to, and what do you doing at that theater? Or like during Covid, when they look at your phones and they bought that information from one of those collection folks, right? And then they knew if you were with another person and how many people, and how many people were at that event.
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And you know that.
So this kind of thing, we need to stop.
We do not need to say, oh no big deal, because this is all about your freedom, your autonomy.
And we say that privacy is the foundation of freedom, so we have to protect it.
Absolutely.
And we're on a slippery slope here because if you think about what Bank Amer of America did around January 6th, the J six, yes they looked at the credit card transactions.
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So this is a very slippery slope.
If they have this federal id, then they know exactly who was there, and prosecutions can happen.
People think that this is way out there.
I just wanna say in 1997, the governor of Minnesota wanted us all to have a min card.
I'm in Minnesota, right? A min card.
And on that card would be access to your medical records, your phone, your workspace, your bank.
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All of this stuff was gonna be there with one 33rd party vendor.
And all the government would've had to do is to call the third party vendor and say.
Shut it down, and that'd be it.
No access to phone, no medical records, no access to your job, nothing.
No money, nothing.
So this is this has been happening for a long time and real ideas the way that they plan to finish the job, and we have to stop them.
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And we saw this in China, we actually saw the video of people couldn't go to work because they hadn't had their swabs or they hadn't had their shots.
So they're using this for actual control in China right now.
Sad to think that they could do that here.
And the VAX passport, right? That is something that they tried to do in this country, and they just got all sorts of people who are like, no, you're not gonna do that to us.
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And yet here we have all these people who are like, Hey, it's been a law for 20 years.
Get with it.
And they don't understand.
And a lot of them, when you look at their Twitter accounts, they're MAGA people.
They're MAHA people.
And so they tend to be more freedom.
People, and they have just been sold a bill of goods about what this is.
They're like, this is just an ID card with a star on, get over it.
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Yeah.
No, it's not.
It's not.
It's not.
And the interesting analogy here, because Christie Nome came out through the Department of Homeland Security and said, you need this to fly as of May 7th.
First of all, that was a lie again.
Yes.
From the secretary of.
Yes.
What do you need to fly? Are there, are we going to be grounded if we don't have a real Id? Tell us about the enforcement of that.
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So they came out with a rule in October and a proposed rule, and we there were 63 public comments when we found out about the rule.
And by the time we were done with it, there were 31,700 public comments.
And yet the department says only 11,000 people parti made comments.
And I'm like, I got the screenshot.
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I got the screenshot of more than 30 comments.
But anyway, they said they, their plan was for the next two years, starting on May 7th to do progressive enforcement and progressive consequences.
And so we have a document and I encourage people, I'm just gonna hold this up.
It's called the Yes, you Can Fly Without Real ID document.
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Okay.
And and we have quotes in there from the rule itself.
And the thing to, to understand is, yes, you can fly for several reasons.
One, you can fly because.
Even if you didn't have a real id, even if they actually put the hammer down on May 7th, you could have a passport.
You could have a military id, you could have a VA medical id.
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There are 15 other TSA acceptable IDs and so to just say.
A car blanc that if you don't come with a real id, you cannot fly from the highest echelons of our government.
To have her say that Boldfaced lie is just unbelievable.
She should be fired.
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She really should be fired because you shouldn't lie to the American people like that.
And then on Fox.
Fox yesterday.
The Chiron, below that little message with words in that said, you need a real ID to fly on May 7th.
And I listened to her words.
'cause I, 'cause then she tweeted that out, right? And she said, you need a real ID or a passport or whatever.
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And I'm like, did you say that in the Fox News interview? I didn't hear it in the Fox News interview.
And as far as Fox was concerned.
You need a real ID to fly.
So they put it on the Chiron, right? So much line to get the people to panic, to get them to conform and submit to this unconstitutional real id.
So you can on, here's what I was gonna say is this final rule that came out in January.
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I have specific quotes in this.
Yes, you can fly so that you know exactly what they said and what they said is if we, mandate this on May 7th.
We will have operational disruptions, we will have confusion, we will have backlash against the security agents.
So we're not going to do that.
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We're gonna give flexibility and by delaying the deadline, we will de, we will not have all these big delays at the airport.
And so this is what they said in their own rule.
In her rule, her department's rule said that this is what we're going to do, but yet out of her mouth.
Come these words to cause the panic that the rule doesn't even ask for.
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So it's really unbelievable.
So likely when you go to the airport, you're gonna get some kind of warning.
And they're gonna tell you that, you're going to have need a real id to fly.
But even this this rule says this, I just have to say what this rule says.
'cause it's so interesting they say that this, I'm quoting given the scope of potential phased enforcement plan.
(14:32):
So that means over the entire government which range from full enforcement.
To non-enforcement through the two year period non-enforcement.
They're not gonna enforce it.
They're gonna intimidate you.
They're going to threaten you.
They're going to cause panic, but they're potentially not.
So some agencies, including the TSA for instance, could actually do non-enforcement.
(14:57):
They could actually just keep giving you warnings.
May 5th, 2027, we're gonna put the hammer down.
So for the next two years, they just give warnings.
Yet out of Christie's Christie Noam's mouth comes this.
If you arrive on May 7th with no real id, we will not allow you to fly.
It's so bring a passport.
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I always tell people, bring a passport.
Don't take the real ID because the real ID is your submission to their power.
And it's unconstitutional.
And so don't do it.
It's meant for many other things.
You know when people say we already ha if we have a passport, they have our information already.
You're not going to be required to come to the pa, come with a passport to the store to show your identification, right? This real idea is meant for all sorts of purposes, and what people don't understand is what the law permits.
(15:51):
So the law itself says that there are three official purposes, access to federal buildings, access to nuclear facilities, and access to commercial flight, and then it adds these words and any other purposes that the Secretary of Homeland Security shall determine.
The sky is open.
(16:13):
She could decide that you had to show a real ID to buy a gun to open a bank account.
To get married to access medical care.
And I really believe as a health freedom organization, that if they wanted to get everybody to submit, she would put in the rule.
She would.
And she doesn't have to ask Congress or the president according to their own rules there they have set.
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We don't think we have to ask anybody to simply expand the required uses.
So they would just tell people that now you need a real ID to access medical care.
And then everybody would submit.
'cause everybody doesn't have to fly, but everybody needs a doctor.
Yeah.
And so this is why we're in the fight.
Plus the fact is with digitizing it, the real I requires a biometric of your face.
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So here's the government mapping out your face and claiming that data your face for their own property.
But the rule says that they can expand the biometrics required so they could expand it to fingerprints, palm prints, iris scans your.
Voice if they did it all.
Digital, right? Your voice your gate, whatever, all the biometrics that they have.
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And so this is also a violation just of your body and the integrity of your body.
And the fact that the government wants to claim all of these things is theirs to control you and track you.
So you should never submit to the real Id get a passport if you're worried.
I think.
This is all a big scare tactic for May 7th to get as many people to get that real idea as possible.
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And then on May 7th, the TSA is going to say, we're just gonna hand out notices, but it will say on the DHS website, department of Homeland Security, exactly what the TSA is going to do whatever their enforcement plan is going to be.
So I guess we will see.
It's gonna be utter chaos because I go to the airport fairly regularly.
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I have clear, which some people argue you already have your biometrics.
I'm like that's a private company.
So yes, I do, but every time I go, it's a different story every time I go.
'cause I declined the photo.
I'm like, I just had my photo.
I don't need another photo at your booth.
And oh, it creates all kinds of havoc.
But every single agent tells me something different.
(18:35):
Yes.
So I can't imagine standardizing this across an entire nation worth of a useless agency such as tsa.
The TSA in Miami told me that you wouldn't be able to opt out of that camera, which by the way, they tell me that too all the time.
They said on May 7th, and I said, oh, you mean real id? And I didn't bother to tell them that, that won't even be real, on May 7th.
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But they said no.
The camera because they bought all these cameras and people are opting out of them.
And it's a waste of money if people don't do this.
So they intend to capture everything.
Yeah.
And we have to opt out and refuse.
So some of the interesting critics or parallels to this, it says you and maga, you're okay with a real id, which we're again, we're not, or you want No, let me flip that.
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You want an ID to vote, but you don't want an ID for real Id.
So that's some of the criticism from the left is you're okay with this, but you're not okay with that.
So what do you say to those critics? Okay, so voting like driving, like identification has always been within the state purview.
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The states could do this.
The fact that states like Minnesota and California are letting illegals get driver's license is a state problem.
All we have to do is have a Harris administration, for example, at the federal level, and for them to decide that, oh, illegals can get real IDs too.
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That's all right.
This is not about, this is not about, oh, if we have a federal id, we will solve the problem with illegals.
No.
This is about a federal takeover in this country of everyone and every state.
And those 37 states that said no because they saw that this was a usurpation of state's rights in the 10th Amendment.
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It's still.
And all it has to do with is an administration.
The wonderful thing about 50 states is that the 50 states can check each other, as it were, right? But once you have a federal law and then the administration says, oh, I think we'll let illegals in.
Okay, what are you gonna do now? Now you're gonna pull yourself out of real id.
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You're gonna extract yourself from real id.
The time to fight is now the time to stop it, is now.
You have always brought attention to issues that are really important that we maybe don't know about and don't understand, so I appreciate you breaking that down for me.
Any last thoughts regarding people out there who may still be on the fence? Obviously we're gonna say no to real Id, we're gonna get a passport.
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How, what do you say to people to protect their privacy and their freedom? In this case, one of the things that I would say is tell your state legislator you wanted them to extract you from this federal law.
And there are about 10 or 11 states that ha have legislators that have introduced repeal.
A real ID in this state.
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So the movement is there.
You're not gonna hear about that in the news, to ask your legislators to do that, send them to our organization.
We know the states that are doing this.
We're helping the states.
Then the other thing I would, this is a really big deal.
You see this right here? So it says lose the real id.
Switch back to freedom.
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So make the switch.
There are 45 states that allow you to have a state, a standard state driver's license.
So get your passport switch back to a standard state driver's license.
When they get enough real id, they're going to want to flip the switch and suddenly say.
Everybody's gotta have it.
So don't let them, don't let them do that.
Start flipping back to your standard driver's license and don't let them have this opportunity to pull you into the net and take power over your life and track you, monitor you, make judgments about where you go.
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Where do you use that card of yours? Where have you been? What are they gonna know about? Where you've been? So the go to Refuse real id.org,
and that is our website.
If there's anybody out there that wants to put up a billboard, we have a fantastic billboard that says Refuse real id.org.
Real id, no national ID threatens freedom.
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And then we have this wonderful little, triangle Red triangle at the top that says you can't fly is a lie.
And so our first billboard went up in just east of downtown Dallas.
And the next billboard is going up in Kentucky, land of Rand Paul.
And Rand Paul is the only one.
Senator Rand Paul is the only one who's ever had a repeal real ID Bill.
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You can contact him as well.
Contact your members of Congress and say, shut this down.
We understand now what this is, shut it down, and and if you want a billboard in your state, we would be more than happy if, we're looking for people to fund them, but we'd be more than happy to do the work to get it up.
We just need the funds to get up wherever you'd like it.
Thank you so much, Twila.
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Tell people where they can follow you and find you so that they can stay on top of information that you bring to light every day.
Sure.
So if you're on X, you can go to my name, Twila Bras, T-W-I-L-A, and you can go to CCH Freedom.
CCH Freedom that are, those are the Twitter or X handles.
And then our website is CCH freedom.org.
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CC CCH freedom.org.
I know we've got an Instagram too, but I can't remember what it is.
We'll find it.
I get in the show notes.
So thank you so much, Twila, for being here and thank you.
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