Tines’ Field CISO Matt Muller on security’s communications problem and the future of the SOC

In this week’s episode of The Future of Security Operations podcast, Thomas is joined by Matt Muller, Field CISO at Tines. With over a decade of experience at companies like Material Security, Coinbase, and Inflection, Matt’s got a strong track record of scaling SecOps teams, building threat detection and mitigation programs, and driving trust and safety initiatives. His knowledge impressed Thomas and the Tines team so much that they invited him to become the company's first Field CISO.

In this episode:

[02:41] The origins of Matt’s insatiable appetite for all things security

[04:05] Matt's path from business degree to Director of Trust at Inflection

[07:07] Scaling Coinbase’s security team from 3 to 50

[08:41] Addressing security’s long-standing communication problem

[10:55] Why “failure wasn’t an option” when managing risk at Coinbase

[14:14] What led Matt to a product role on Material Security’s phishing protection team

[17:31] Building what customers ask for vs. actually solving their problems

[21:14] How Matt stays up to date with industry developments

[22:35] Matt’s favorite use cases for security automation

[25:25] Matt’s go-to automation best practices

[27:33] Cutting through AI hype to drive meaningful adoption

[30:32] How Matt keeps himself honest as a Field CISO

[32:21] Why the traditional SOC is broken - and what needs to change

[35:30] The role of diverse hiring in building a resilient security strategy

[39:00] What security teams will look like in 2030

[41:35] How CISOs are evolving to become chief risk advisors to the business

[43:30] Connect with Matt

Where to find Matt:

• LinkedIn

• Building SecOps newsletter

Where to find Thomas Kinsella:

• LinkedIn

• Tines

Resources mentioned:

• Blue Team Con

• Material Security's Ryan Noon on the Future of Security Operations podcast