Dive deep into the world of drag with this electrifying episode of The Lemon Squeeze featuring Nocturna Lee Mission. Sasha, Lady and EO, Get an insider's perspective on her innovative approach to drag that has reshaped the Minneapolis drag scene and inspired a wave of alternative entertainers.
Learn about her popular show 'Ghoul Friends' and how it offers a platform to underrepresented sub-genres in drag. Hear her off-stage interests from anime to documentaries and her thoughts on popular drag reality shows. Our conversation also touches upon the rising challenges with the increasing number of performers, small choice of venues, and misconceptions about Drag Kings.
Our engaging discussion reveals the intricate art of costume-making and the significance of self-improvement in the glamorous yet competitive drag industry. We also share insights on the role of show directors, the importance of a positive online presence, and memorable drag experiences.
The episode concludes with an insightful dialogue on the need for self-care in the high-pressure entertainment profession, the changing drag scene, focus on local government and the local drag community. Tune in for an unforgettable exploration of the captivating world of Nocturna Lee Mission and modern drag culture.
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All right, children, welcome to another fabulous episode of The Lemon Squeeze.
Oh, I have a very, very special guest, another very, very special guest,
one of my dear friends, the Antichrist of drag, Nocturnal Lee Mission in the house.
Booyah! Yes. How's it going? It is going wonderful. Wonderful girl.
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I'm super excited to be here. You ready for this Lemon Squeeze?
I think so. Okay. I'm ready. And you know I can't do this show without my fabulous
co-host, Mysterio Castadine and Lady Camille Castadine.
Nocturna, how you been doing, girl? I've been doing well. I feel like I'm still
recovering from October and December.
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Doing like 50 different makeups kind of took it out of a girl,
so she's bouncing back slowly.
You do some incredible work, by the way. I want to give you kudos face-to-face
because I suck at social media.
Like, I'm still not at the place. By the way, if you didn't know,
listeners, I'm in my 40s.
I came out when Nokia had the, like, flashing battery packs in the antenna.
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I miss my brick phone. I know. Wasn't it nice? But, like, I'm horrible with it.
So I see the pictures and I'm like, oh, my God, I love this,
but I don't like it. I don't comment.
Oh, that's what we thought. Yeah, you know I love you, though. Yeah.
You're so talented. Octurna, how long have you, like, been doing drag? Yeah.
In March, it'll be my 11th year. 11? Oh, wow.
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I think I met you, like, we met at Lush. Yeah, we met at Lush,
so probably back in, like, 2015, 2016.
It's been so long. That's when I moved up here. Yeah. Yeah.
Wow. It's been a while. Yeah, I've been doing it for 11 years now,
and, man, I feel like I've been all over the city.
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I started off with Suck It, Victoria DeVille's show, and then went to being a cast member at Lush.
Probably a little too rough around the edges to be a cast member at that point,
but I'm thankful for it. Yeah, I think you're incredible.
And I don't know, just trying to always have fun taking any new opportunity that I can.
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Anything that challenges my makeup, my looks, I'm on board to do.
And you even started a wonderful show, Ghoul Friends, which I'm telling you,
I think you've done a great thing for the entertainers that like to play in that realm.
How's that been for you? One, it's been really rewarding.
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I remember coming up in the scene and being probably the only alternative performer
in Minneapolis, and there wasn't much of a space for that style of drag in Minneapolis at the time.
So i had to come up in like the
burlesque world and the dance party is doing
pop-up numbers so now to have an
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actual show that showcases alternative drag
of different kind of styles because alternative drag just isn't
spooky it's like the artistic side the creative side
anything that kind of steps out of that like norm that you would see we just
hit our year year anniversary oh it's a year already yeah girl damn time is
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a lot last november was our year or last october was our year mark so we're
already like four or five more shows into the year and we're booked through.
December at the saloon wow that's incredible though that's
a good show though you've done like a great thing for
the community creating the show and i think my favorite thing
about you is and i always express the
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entertainers like you can still make your
own way in this industry and stay true to yourself as a
performer and you've always done that and even dabbled
in a little glam drag along the way like yeah
you you've turned it out i honestly think being open
to taking other types of drag into your drag
is what will find you the most success i love
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going super bloody super scary all the
time but i also know that not
every show calls for that particular thing so it's like how do i take that and
that spooky vibe of nocturna but just like glamorize it or morph it into a different
way to like fit another producer's show and it's very inspiring Because I think
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under you, no matter what people say.
Nocturna opened the door for a lot of the alt entertainers here.
And you made it to me more mainstream here in the Twin Cities.
When, again, we didn't even have a scene like that. Because when we were coming
up, it was pageant, extra, super glam.
And if you weren't doing that, you weren't getting booked nowhere.
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You know, it was rough, honey. I remember back in those days,
I'd be like, you will never catch me wearing a rhinestone or a dresser trying to do pretty drag.
And now I'm like, you should probably throw some stones on that.
Thanks, Drag Race. No, I wouldn't even say it's like Drag Race.
I think it was all of like my sisters in the pageant world and just like.
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Them i think they definitely like kamari and
bad karma like really pushed me to
like get outside of my box of like kmart
black panties and a fishnet and be like hey girl try on
my dress and you're like oh oh you feel nice yeah
to see okay yes it was the exact opposite
for me because i did come up in a time when it
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was like pageant but like you go look at some old school sasha
your pictures and baby my colors like went all the way back i
consider myself alt in memphis tennessee but that
wasn't something that was popular so now like
i'm in your shoes i can't wait to do a girlfriends one day
so i can do some alt drag because people don't think that i
got it in me girl but i got it in me honey oh i
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feel like yeah i'm a i grew up watching horror movies as a
kid like like literally that's all my mom like did so
my thing was i want to be bloody i want
to be be gory i want to be bloody i don't want you
to even know that i'm sasha yeah wouldn't you
like that yeah that would be fun to watch you that's
also a really great deal because i get to watch the show yeah
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i host most of it oh so you don't even perform that
much i all i open the show every day
or every time we have a show and then i get
to watch pretty much like three quarters.
Of of it if i'm not changing and the next
theme is the next theme is the
heartbreak motel i am excited i'm actually
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gonna make my ass come out swollen feet and
all all i'm gonna say is i've
had a body bag in my closet for about a year now and it's finally getting put
they were they were like on sale on amazon so i couldn't pass up the opportunity
and it was in black mine throw some stones on it i had a well-being,
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Is that where you keep your trade?
It is. In the rhinestone body bag. Yep.
So tell us about, like, Justin outside of drag. I know, like,
we both share a love of, like, anime.
And just tell us some stuff about that.
It's so weird because Nocturna is such a crazy, like, introvert and can talk to anybody.
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But as soon as that makeup comes off, I want to be, like, on my couch with my
two fur babies, like, nerding out watching anime.
I also just get into like weird deep dives of like different things like this
past weekend It's been all documentaries either about cults minimalism or the dangers of social media.
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Girl like like mysterious my roommate like he will tell you my TV He thinks
my TV is boring, but like I like looking at documentaries about serial killer,
Holt's did you see the one on Netflix about the cults?
Yeah, which one are you talking about the twin flame?
Yes So good, yeah.
You need to check it out. Have you seen it, lady? No, the one I just watched
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is the one about the Duggars and how they're a religious sort of group,
how culty that is. There's another one called Mother God.
Mother God. Mother God was a lot. Yeah, I watched it twice. My God. You watched it twice?
Twice. It just came out. I had to watch it in portions.
Like literally I would pause it and like smoke a joint and just like breathe.
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I didn't watch the next thing it was it was it
was sad but it's i uh i oh i'm sorry
i was gonna say i i don't hate documentaries but yeah
i don't like watching them back to back to back all the time oh and normally
if he's watching a documentary all i have to do is watch it long enough and
then i'll fall into it too just because it's on that i could not watch it the
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mother god i was like i'm gonna just go on my own and like play switchers because
i refuse to watch this lady for another second.
Isn't that scary? Literally. The scary thing about those kind of documentaries
is that you almost get desensitized. So you watch one about a serial killer,
like blah, blah, blah, killed 27 people.
And then the next one you put on, like blah, blah, blah, killed five people.
And you're like, no. Next one.
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Not interesting. Not interesting. My God, don't be telling my secrets,
honey, because I'm the person.
You know, because it's, I think the reason why I watch, I'll speak for myself.
I watch a lot of them because I'm just fascinated by it.
It's like how do you kill like john wayne
gacy you know i'm not giving the man any kind of credit how
do you kill 30 something plus people
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and like go home and be like uh
well they said that he was like he was an
actually good neighbor he did a lot for his one of
the leaders he was the clown at his birthday
party like he has a picture seriously yeah one of my high school teachers
he showed me he was like yeah so john wayne gacy used to
be the clown that my parents would hire for my
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birthday party how scary and they found out that he was like murdering all these
young boys now where my teacher got lucky was that he was under the age that
john wangasey was targeting so a few more years a few more years he would have been in that age range.
Right creepy right but to be like such a degree of separation from that is just
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so strange because because you see it and you're so, like you said,
desensitized to it, because it feels so away, like we're at home watching this
happen. But to be that close, I'm like,
Yeah, I can watch a few of the John Wayne Gacy documentaries,
especially being from Chicago and having grown up in those plains as well.
Because I used to go to summer camp out there. Yeah.
Wild. It is wild. That's why I love watching documentaries. It's so good.
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Wild, man. The Fyre Festival documentary on Hulu.
That's a good one. Now that one is stressful. That's a good one.
That's a good one. Fyre Festival was one of my favorite ones. That was a good one.
That gave me anxiety, baby. I was like, this stuff is crazy.
I like seeing scams go wrong.
And it went so wrong. And I was like, this is amazing.
And all you kids that spent your daddy's last dollar to go out there,
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this is what you get. I felt nothing. I didn't grow up rich.
I'm like, serves you right. Exactly.
I was just like, this is crazy. How are y'all allowing this to happen?
Like, the red flags were so apparent for me.
And that's what was giving me anxiety. I was like, this is just common sense.
And y'all just don't want to have common sense. You're making this choice.
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They just wanted that clout. That's all it was.
You want to go to a concert? Because they had like, they tricked those kids.
They said all these like headliners were going to be at the concert.
They had a few of them to do commercials that did not show up to do the concert.
That was just shady all the way around. I forgot about that.
Yeah, I live for that. That was fabulous. Doing videos and stuff.
Crazy. So wild. So would you ever, Nocturnal, would you ever do Dragula?
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So I was actually really set on auditioning and turning in my video this January.
And then I watched the latest season and it was so heavily produced with drama
and fighting that I was just like,
I feel like I've tried to spend like the past 10 years of my career not being that like.
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Bitchy person and i just can't imagine
going on tv and pretending to be a bitch just to get
airtime so i decided that fame
is not for me and i am going to be content and
happy doing what i can do in my local scene that's fantastic that is
fantastic and although i do think that if you
went on dragula you would be a oh my goodness like
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i'm sure they're like i'm sure the boulets are like
please now that you said it they're
gonna call you straight up up and be like oh really that's
how you feel yeah i i do think it
would be a lot of fun i just wish they focused more
on drag yeah that's like my issue like
i i feel like i posted something about
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this earlier on in the week that i feel like these drag
competition shows are so focused
on the drama and inviting like the
premiere episode of this past season i don't think i heard
anything thing that wasn't to read like true right when
they were walking in instead of being like all excited that they're all
there together to do this competition they're just like reading
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each other from like head to toe and i think
that's kind of spilling over into a
lot of new performers coming into the scene thinking that like
that like a tv show like dialogue
is how you speak to people in person and it's not
and honestly it's hard for me because sometimes like people.
Come out the gate and trying to read me up and down i'm like i don't even know your
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name literally like how are you already
reading me right we don't know hello first yeah nice
to meet you too i guess i think unfortunately you
know thanks to and drag race
will have to give you this credit they drag
race has turned their side of things into drama so i
think and i hate the bullies are getting affected by
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and allowing it into the dragular world because part
of what i did like about the show was just the creativity and
i know for a fact like blackberry love
you blackberry also expressed that they did not enjoy
that side of the show that they would have had more
fun if it was just about the art yeah yeah i've talked to a couple people that
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have been on past seasons and they've told me that they think i'm making the
right decision by like not auditioning wow because there have been contestants
that have been removed early because they were too nice backstage and they They
wouldn't go into the fighting.
It's like, why do you trick people into paying all this money to get ready for
these shows? And then if you don't fight, drag race is the same way.
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I've heard the inside scoop on a lot of those where a lot of people went home
early because they were unwilling to put up a fight with someone that the producers picked.
And by the way, half of these producers don't even do drag in any form. That hard.
But they want you to fight and do all this crazy stuff to get ratings.
It's insane. saying and like I don't want it to sound like I'm like oh all of
these kids that are like starting drag because of drag race because I am a drag
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queen because of drag race yeah like when I saw.
Sharon Needles for the first time, I was just like, whoa, I could do like spooky, creepy, cool.
And then that's how I got into it. But I also don't feel like they needed the
drama on those earlier seasons, like one through four to like sell because people
were just excited to watch this new show about drag.
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But now it's just like they need that like next crazy thing,
like this new Raida Queen system that's happening.
Girl, don't copy the circle. It wasn't that good. What was the potion?
Didn't there, there's a split premiere.
The winners of each episode got an immunity potion that they can utilize for
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any challenge in the future.
But the catch is they can only utilize it before they know how the way to rate a queen results are.
So you have to choose it before, you know, if you're in top and bottom.
So like you could easily use it and then end up being the one who won that episode.
So now you don't have your immunity potion anymore.
Did you watch Drag Race Canada this past season? No, I did not.
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No, I did not have to catch up.
They had a golden beaver that they kept on pathing around that was,
like, supposed to, like, save a queen from going into the bottom two.
And I was just like, can we stop with the plungers and the beavers and the potions and the chocolate?
You know, it's chocolate. Yeah, because was it last season or season before?
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All of them got a chocolate bar. the first episode they all just randomly chose
a chocolate bar and one of them had a golden ticket in it Willy Wonka and the
whoever had the golden ticket so every time you got eliminated you had to open
your chocolate and if you had the golden ticket,
no one went home that week but there was only one I think it was the same season
that Bosco was on because I think that Bosco was the one that had the ticket.
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Yeah craziness honey yeah oh my goodness I mean that season it worked because
no one wanted Bosco to go home like we really that and look at the bitch now
you know I think that one it worked but for these other seasons...
And all and the all winners cat the all winners one
was cute too i would actually like to see like one of
the normal seasons that aren't an all-star try to
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do that format where like no one goes just do like 10 people instead of like
the 15 16 and just no one goes home let's see like everything because even this
past season of dragula they got rid of like two people and they continued to
post their looks like on their social every week and it was better than than
a lot of the people that were still on the show.
And you're like, shout out to Irene Dubois.
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Cause all of her stuff was much better than a lot of the girls who stayed on
that season. She was the first to go home.
You know, I think I would be more entertained if I could watch the shows and all the entertainment.
Yeah. I think it would, for me, it would be like watching housewives.
None of them get booted off and it's way more entertaining.
Cause you get to follow them. And so rather than like a split judgment on the
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first three episodes, well, most of them are gone at this point.
I don't really know them that well.
I mean, I watched the season finale of Dragula this year within five minutes
because I fast forward through the first 45 minutes of the episode and then
through all of their sob stories.
Because I was like, oh, I've heard the queer sob story on this show like every single time.
It's so recycled. Yeah. What did you think of this season? I don't know.
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I felt like it was lacking a little grit to the season.
Like, I really miss that first season of Dragula where they,
like, had, like, the worst sound system.
They were filming it in a basement against a black garbage bag.
And, like, and that felt like honking spooky drag. And so I miss that.
It just needed a little bit more, a little bit more grit to it.
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It felt like a lot of people were, they're like, here's the assignment.
It's terror in the woods.
And then suddenly everyone dressed as a camper. And you're like,
did everyone misunderstand the assignment?
I did feel that way, too. Because I'm like, Terror in the Woods,
why are we all thinking about camping?
Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you on that. There's so many horror movies that you
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could just reference from there. Well, I would have wanted it to be like a scary
tree or something. Yeah.
There's so many options there. Yeah. I always wanted to go on Dragula because
I always thought I love pop culture.
I love horror and all of that stuff. it's like i may
not have the best drag but my ideas are phenomenal and i
put a lot of people to shame with something like that here in
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the woods there's there's so many there was so much there's just
so many this season was hard too because you could really see the financial
gap in between all of the contestants so like there was a contestant named jk
who i thought was incredible but like made their looks out of like foam and
cardboard and acrylic paint and like Like they all ripped that contestant to shreds.
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But I'm like, then there was people that were wearing $4,000 boots on the stage.
And I'm like, so where's the equal competition if someone's coming in with like
obviously a financial backing? You could tell.
Oh, yeah. You can tell it in the new seasons of Drag Race, too.
Like if you go back to those early seasons, it is like H&M dresses,
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hand sewing, hot glue. Ant suit. Yeah.
We love you we love you I love those seasons,
Bebe had a catsuit for almost every runway. And she won. She sure did.
So what do you think about, Nocturne, what do you think about Minneapolis drag scene now?
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What do you think, especially from where we've come from? What do you think?
I love how much diversity there is in the styles of drag and the backgrounds
of the performers themselves that are doing drag.
It's really beautiful. there's a lot of like different types of
self self-expression happening i wish we
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had more venues in the city because when i
started drag i maybe started with like 10 people
and like kamari like bad karma lady swallows was all a part of that and now
it's like every week it feels like there's 10 new performers we got like so
many queens here now performers here now we have so many and all of them want
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to make it a career i've been doing it for 11 years and it's still Still not my career. Yeah.
My choice. I'm a full-time hairstylist. I own my own business doing chair rental
at heart salon in Northeast.
And I feel like if you try to like make it your career too soon, you end up.
Losing the love for drag because now there's
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this like pressure that drag has to pay your bills which
like it can help you pay your bills
like the tips and everything are nice but i just
think it's like really important too to do drag for
the sake of just loving drag for as long as you
can do it yeah and also it's like i
mean even the people that are doing it like full time
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in the city it's still difficult because we're not a
city like new york or chicago or la where you
can do three bookings in a single night yeah it's tough yeah for being a full-time
performer i think the only downside people don't see this is you are always
working yeah you're always producing and creating and thinking about it you
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don't really get a break you have to make yourself take a break I mean,
I watch those documentaries because as a producer,
I'm like working on promos and getting the next show and like planning out all of my shows.
Like it's a lot of work. And there's so much work that goes into drag behind the scenes.
The amount of work that we put into for three minutes on stage is insane.
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And the amount of money we spent. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
What do you think about like all of the other, like, cause I asked Julia,
she was here last time about like, what did she think about like all of the
new shows that were popping up?
And I'm not talking about like stuff like girlfriends or like some of the more
seasoned shows, but what do you think about like a lot of the newer performers starting shows?
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Do you think that, cause I can see where it helps, but I can also see where
it creates a lot of like negativity in the community a little bit.
Because some of the newer performers are not as experienced.
So they're now taking shows from venues who are like literally paying them pennies.
Like, what do you think about it?
I think there are a lot of new shows that are accepting gigs with restaurants
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and not actually getting compensated the way they should be. And I...
I am all about like paving your own path.
I think what is happening is
people are like, oh, I can get a show at like all seven of these places.
I'm going to do a show at all of them. But they haven't like really built a
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following or support around that one single show to grow their brand off of.
So you have to get that like one audience, like really soaked in before you
start producing too many things.
Cause then you'll just get swallowed up by it too.
I i think there
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is a a lot of saturation in
minneapolis right now when it comes to drag and i think
that makes it like really hard to get our
audiences to focus in on certain shows
to attend so then like we're we have
a we have a large audience base but it's
it's not the same anymore like i feel like
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when we 10 years ago when i was doing drag like the audiences were primarily
queer yeah and now our audience primarily is straight people coming to see the
show and so if they if their attentions get put in too many different directions it's really hard to.
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Pull them in and to focus and keep coming back to
your show because and i also
feel like there's so many shows with the same exact cast everywhere
yeah i agree yeah i totally agree
to that yeah a lot it was a lot it was a lot more i could say yeah you're right
because we were performing we had like college shows and stuff that we can go
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to and it was a lot of different performers performing at these different shows
but do you think the reason why because i'll say this and And people always ask,
like Flip Phone, you all book the same people.
But Flip Phone, in a sense, is a different kind of show. It's more on the corporate side of things.
And we tend to book the best of the best for a reason because that's what people A to C.
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Do you think the reason why that happens is because there are so many entertainers
now that are out here that want to perform and they're not all.
I don't want to be mean and say like. Polished.
Polished. there you go for lack of better words polished i
mean what do you think about like that because i
know i hear a lot of people say oh they book the same people over and over again i
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mean i'm running into that a lot with ghoul
friends like people are like oh like i want a chance to do ghoul friends and
for me it's like if i've never seen you turn a look but you like and i'm not
if you're if you're primarily a dancing queen that it does like the leotard
body suits you're probably Probably not going to be the first person I look
to book for ghoul friend because when I'm booking ghoul friends,
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I'm looking for people that are able to play in different looks and step outside
like their comfort style that they normally do. I also...
I feel like everyone wants to be a part of every show, but it's okay.
And it's not an insult if like you aren't right for that show.
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It's not, it's not me saying like, I don't like your drag. Your drag is bad, blah, blah, blah.
It's just saying you're just not right for this one.
But I could end up producing a show that's like a different theme than that you would be great for.
Like I've done, I have ghoul friends, which I'm very protective of,
but then I've done stuff like Saw. I've done stuff like the Pokeball with Mishika Shadow.
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And that opens it up to a different type of performer.
But I sometimes think when it comes to here, because we run into this thing,
and I'll speak for myself, I ran into this thing where the kings all feel like
they're not as embraced by the queens.
I don't think that. I think that a lot of kings, and I'll say this,
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and I know this might sting to some people, don't put as much effort into it
as the queens do when it comes to their drag.
I think a lot of kings here have been comfortable for so long,
and they haven't had to do anything, or at least that's what they feel like.
But now that all these other fabulous shows are popping up that we are making
a little more money from, they're like, okay, I want this too.
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But I want you to take me as I am. And I don't, I don't know.
I don't, I mean, do you think that, do you, have you seen that more around the
scene that there's kings versus queens now?
I don't know if I've seen, seen like a versus as much as just like,
there is like an irritation on like both sides.
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And when it comes to flip phone, like I have done flip phone for years.
It's you can be creative but
like you said earlier it is a corporate style of drag so like if you're wanting
to come to do flip phone just to do you that's not what flip phone books you
for they book you to come be a gingerbread man or a dragon right you know so
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like you're going in to play a character to be like just yourself yeah.
I feel like kings, they don't get that big wow that the audience gives queens.
And I sometimes just think that can be just because of the visual spectacle.
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The hair is big, the fake body, the costumes.
And there are a lot of kings that have done that. I came up with Damien Deluxe.
Oh, he was wonderful. beautiful yeah just like big feathers everything hair
costumes jewelry like the true 100 commitment,
who else vincent the destroyer was another
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one that was really really good with visuals and like
do you remember like some of the first avenue shows that we
would do and vincent would like totally like i would
say i'll take my bow like kill the queens that
like we had some good kings kings that were working with us
once upon a time with flip phone and i think that's something i want to point
out it's like just elevate your drag because like you said visually when you
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look at a drag queen we have so many things going on that sells us right away
and the kings it's like i don't know and i'll speak for minneapolis kings because
i've seen some kings abroad that like,
they turn it out makeup hair costumes i think some of the minneapolis kings.
Some of them fit more of the burlesque scene and some
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of them some of them are just not i don't
know i don't want to be mean but i have to always be honest some of
them are just not meant to be performing on some
of the stages it might be something else in the arts that they're meant to do
but drag is not it do you ever feel like that sometimes i think it's more for
me just Just like not every venue or every show is for you because if you want like.
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To do the more corporate stuff. If you want to do the really big flashy shows,
like having those big flashy costumes and looks and stuff, are you going,
or is what you're going to have to start doing to like fit your drag into that world.
But if you want to do like more of the artistic side of drag,
there are shows like that where those audiences celebrate what you're doing.
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So it's just, it's being able to be a little bit of a chameleon when you're in drag.
And that, I think that is like the most like, successful
way that you can do drag that is being
is being able to play in all of
the i love that i definitely love that in my
experience here in particular when it
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comes to the kings in general when it especially when
it comes to kings versus queens i just feel like a lot
of the kings the male presenting performers
here it's not that they are not entertaining
painting but when it comes to drag like
your physical aspect of it a lot of them like you said nocturna
people want to come and be who they
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are like what i'm giving you is what i
want you to love and take in and want more of it
when the sad fact is if i'm not wowed i
don't want to see it anymore yeah and i feel like
a lot of the kings here when
you when they say hey what can i do to to be better and
you say you need to keep elevating you need to keep trying new things you need
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to keep embellishing adding more doing more they get offended and they take
it the wrong way and you're saying oh my stuff is cheap or my stuff isn't valid
because i'm not spending or i can't a hundred dollars no yeah i've read it that's
not what i'm saying i'm saying.
You can keep a budget but you can also tell when you're taking the time to elevate your drag Exactly.
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I've made costumes with $10 and a hope and a prayer that look like I bought
it. You know what I mean? So...
It's just, you have to try. And I feel like a lot of the Kings here,
they don't want to try. They think what I put together today is enough.
And if you don't like it, then there's something wrong with you.
Instead of saying, I want to grow and I want to continue to be better.
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I want to do something else. It's the grass is greener on the other side.
And it's like, it's not that the grass is greener on the other side.
You're just not taking care of your side.
Your side could be as lush and as beautiful, but you're not putting the effort
in to make it that lush. It's an investment, and a lot of people ignore that
fact when they see what everyone else has.
And Nocturna, to your credit, let's talk about your challenges that you do.
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Those looks, I think you pointed out that those looks were all inexpensive.
Yeah. Right? The construction coming up with that stuff, it just took time and
work. Yeah, it took a lot of time.
Yeah. And I think like, because like we're talking about like kings,
I think there are a lot of drag queens in this community too that are just as
guilty of like doing the same three numbers with the same three dirty costumes
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and being like, I should be booked in every one of your shows.
So I don't think that's specifically just a king thing.
And I love going to watch drag. And one thing I will like, not one thing,
but a thing I want to give the kings, especially the ones coming up in the scene
right now, is their concepts compared to the queen's concepts are wild.
Where like a lot of us like i'm a visual i my
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numbers aren't high concept or anything i'm going to
present a look and give you a number i think the
kings are really good at like creating that like storytelling yeah i definitely
agree that there are some that i've watched that you know are not necessarily
flip phone kings but like i go out i'm like man that was good like i enjoy I
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can see the story behind it. Love the costume.
I love the concept. I love all of it. There are a bunch of kings.
I just think what I think the kings need to do, and my advice,
because a lot of people don't know I was a king first before I was a queen. I was a pageant king.
Create it's time for them to me to create more shows
for themselves because those shows would be just
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accessible successful as some of the shows that we've
been i have a pleasure to be a part of and
to create is just have faith in your art form because i think that they i think
some entertainers rest on trying to be a part of something instead of saying
hey let me create something that people can be a part of like you've done with
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ghoul friends and because i think like Like you said,
a lot of these kings, there are really, really good kings.
And I think some of the next episodes, I'll name a few just to let them know
that I see them out there that are doing great for themselves in this industry.
It just sucks. There's not a lot of venues and not a lot of shows for them to be a part of.
And then some of the shows, because there are some king shows where I don't
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see a lot of these new creative kings that are able to be a part of.
Like, I love Dragged Out, but I would love to see some of the newer kings on Dragged Out.
I think a lot of the new kings didn't know about dragged out really aren't aware
because there's that like saint paul divide kind of deal oh yeah you've performed
in minneapolis like you don't really go over to saint paul kind of that's true
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that's true it's just also.
There's like a lack of like knowledge gathering when new performers enter the
scene being like Like, who were the performers before I came in?
Or who were the performers, like, deep after that?
Like, I was watching drag before I started it.
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So I was, like, sitting, like, 18, fresh from the country at the 90s,
watching CeCe Russell and Roxy Marquis and Marco West and all of them.
Like, just, I wish it was back in those days where I could just stand in one spot and have a line.
Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. See, Nocturna, yeah. See, a lot of people
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don't, like, because now it's, like, a struggle to get a tip at some of the shows.
But, like, I remember going to those shows, like, and watching them,
like, have lines of people that as soon as their song came on,
these people were, like, standing up ready to tip them. Oh, those were the days.
They were. I'm glad I got to perform shows like that. But those were the days. Like, that was nice.
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And you just felt like in those days your drag was, like, appreciated. Because even though.
And a lot of queens, oh, Sasha, you work flip phone, you're just... I do commercial drag.
We know that in commercial drag, we're like circus clowns.
They come to see us jump around and perform a dance, but those days,
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they were treating us like freaking gods, and it's a difference.
And yet, I've earned a nice little fan base from flip phone,
but still people come to see a circus clown.
They come to see somebody do tricks, honey. Oh, yeah. I feel like...
A lot of drag brunches are kind of just like the modern day freak show.
It is. You're like, oh man, I do feel like a clown.
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Like some of the most ugly moments of my drag career have been because of flip phone. Right.
Like Zach Morris for saved by the bell, which I pretty much just had to recycle
that costume to be Jane Lynch and the glee brunch a couple of years ago.
To hear you say how much you hated your look oh my
god that's a fun brush that memory pops up and
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i'm like i can't believe but i'm really happy the other two looks
don't ever pop up in my memory like i don't think
i reshared those ones mine's probably
definitely will be uh the sister act brunch when i have to do
whoopi goldberg oh you don't feel good during that
one no eyebrows no just bland
brown lips no yeah no my wigs
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i always complain when i have to do that one yeah yeah it's
not because how can you make looking like a nun look fabulous i'm
sorry no that that show is a beast too and i don't think i think people see
the videos of like us collecting tips yeah but they don't watch that like we're
doing this three times in a row in wet drag we're changing back into wet drag
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for the second and third round and you maybe have 10 10 to 15 minutes.
Like less to get into a costume and be, the elevator might be broken and you
might have to run up the stairs in a pair of heels.
Feet sore. Oh my God. Like you name it. That's why I'm like,
I would love performers.
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Like if you're new, enjoy it. Cause that's what it was when I was coming up.
I just liked being in drag.
I didn't care if I was getting booked a hundred dollars show.
I didn't even care. Sometimes I didn't even get show pay. I just wanted to perform.
I wanted to like create. Cause in those days I was creating some of my own looks
and I just wanted to wear something that I made on stage. It was fun.
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It's rare that I say no to a show these days. Cause I'm just like excited for
a new experience, especially being in the Minneapolis scene for so long.
And the city doesn't really grow. Yeah.
We didn't get any new venues. One just closed and then reopened with new owners.
You know, it still feels weird to be in there, but it's a lot of fun.
I just get excited to do like new things.
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And I think that's why I did those like those looks over October and December.
Because I was just like, here's an opportunity for me to just like focus on the makeup portion.
I see you doing a few other like newer shows that are popping up, which I'm not.
If you're listening, Sasha still likes to do that too. People don't ask me because
they think that I'm above taking a $40, $50 egg.
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If it's fun, I'll do it. I really will do it. I've been told that they thought
I would say no if they asked. And I'm like, wow.
And see, they don't know that we long for something like that when we've been
doing drag all these years.
And we have made it to a certain place where we can be comfortable in it.
But it's still, it's so much fun to go back and just enjoy being a part of a
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drag show. I just love that feeling.
Um oh go ahead no i'm sorry i was
saying the conversation is swaying me to say one
of my questions i actually had for you was about
this in particular the changes went off the track but about
uh recently someone made a mention
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of the top six oh my
god in our community and although they
didn't name any names as to who the top six were obviously
everyone made their own inferences but for the most part those of
us who know we know we do who we were
already so did you did you know nocturna did
you know i had a feeling okay so i
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mean i personally feel like it was already wild that the comment was made but
hey that's that person's opinion do you you know but i wanted to know one how
do you feel about that and do you think it's true like basically Basically,
are there a lot of shows or show directors or producers here that are gatekeeping,
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basically, for their friends or for their drag children or...
Like, like you were saying, you like seeing new people come up as long as they're
willing to work and grow and everything.
But do you think a lot of producers here are like, well, I already work with
this queen, so I'm only going to continue working with this queen.
You're fabulous, but since you're brand new, I'm just not going to work with
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you at all. I don't feel like it's that cut and dry, that that's what's happening in the city at all.
I think there are a lot of different things that go into being a producer,
and you won't realize it until you are producing.
Saying that when you're booking a performer, you want to know that they're bringing
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quality entertainment to your show, that you are going to be promoting that
show that you are booked for.
That you are going to bring your friends to that show.
There's a bunch of different levels
to it. I personally, if I see someone being a damn mess online 24-7,
I'm not going to book you because you are no longer a
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party to me online so why do i want to put that yeah
into the show yeah and yes
producers are going to have people that they really
like working with because that person proved to that producer that they are
reliable that they deliver every time that they get booked like i added cast
members to ghoul friends because they like stepped in and like helped me when
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we had like call outs or people back out and so those two like prove themselves And I was like, yeah,
I would love to have you on cast. Plus, they're amazing artists.
The top six comment that was made and that it was made during a show, like during a number.
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During a competition. The top six that you were probably referring to were all
sitting in the audience supporting this show. And the contestants.
We're not dumb. We've been around long enough to know when someone is talking about you.
I think there is a way to create change in the drag scene without attacking each other.
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Oh, my goodness. Thank you. That's the big thing.
And I don't think there's a lot of thinking going into online fighting all the
time because we're also using those same platforms to advertise our show to people.
So if people are paying more attention to the the drama that's happening in the scene,
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they're probably not going to want to come to the show
that we're advertising that's so true that's true
very well said yeah that is very well i think
it goes back to what we were originally talking about like the way that drag
is portrayed on tv sometimes his swing how people talk to each each other and
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how they deal with each other because I personally feel like the comment was
entirely rude that's how I feel personally and I don't think it's something that,
Should have been said, especially during a competition and in front of,
like you said, the people that are actually here to support you and hope you do a great job.
But, I mean, I just feel like now a lot of people, like I said earlier,
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instead of trying to figure out how to fit into what they see going on,
they'd rather attack you and say that there's something wrong with you.
So, yeah, it is. It is sad. And I have to say, please don't waste your energy.
I'll speak for myself. don't waste it on me because i'd be so unbothered like
i and i when i do like if you see me like argue on the internet it's for fun
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i'm i want some entertainment i'm bored i've played all my video games i beat
them i'm waiting on new ones to come out and i have time,
so i'll speak just uh just as a producer of ghoul friends like i have had people
message me and be be like, you haven't booked me yet.
And I'm like, well, you don't get it just because you ask, but I,
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There's a reason that there are more cast member slots in a show than guest
spots, because the familiarity of going to a show and seeing one of your favorites
again is what has people keep on coming back.
And the guest is like the bonus to the show.
Like, this is the new, fresh, exciting thing that like you haven't seen with our cast before.
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Like i don't we've all gone to the like back in the day
i would go to the 90s and i wouldn't care if i saw monica west
do her superstar number a bajillion times i
was just excited to see monica west do her superstar and
that's how shows are built is having.
A consistent cast or a
regular performers that come through to
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help build that brand that's definitely how flip phone
achieved a lot of success because of the hard
work of me you you know and others
that work with the show and the people that come back and be like oh my goodness i
brought my friend back to see you and that you don't
realize that it's a business and you know if you're really trying
to make money from it i think that's what entertainers also
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have to understand it's either you're doing it for fun or
you're trying to make it a career and if you're trying to make it a career you got to do the right
things you have to promote your shows you have to
go out to other shows that you're not a part of that part if you
want to be in somebody's shows i'll i'll use
luna as a good example luna got into flip phone brunches because
we would do themes and luna would post herself
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in a theme like a whole look and
of course they got your got my attention after a while like
you know chad sent me hey did you see this i'm like
yeah i saw it that was incredible and that's how she got booked
that's exactly how and she came in as a cameo and she
took off from theirs same with Anya and others I just think that like instead
of just like going after our top six again cause the top six that you named
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were totally unbothered we've been doing drag so long like I don't think we
even like care to quarrel with anyone about like.
It's unnecessary. I'd rather you hit me up and say, hey, Sasha,
you know, can you help me? Sure.
I'll point you to a good designer. You know, I may not be available to like
help you rhinestone, but I'll make all kinds of suggestions.
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I'm very supportive in that way. If I have old drag and old wigs,
I'm not going to charge you for them.
I give stuff away because I don't feel like it has a value after we've worn it 10 or 20 times.
I think the top six that they're like naming, they don't realize how supportive
we are because we came from such a hard knock scene when we were coming up where
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we had people that were in power that told us, you're ugly.
I got straight up, you're ugly. I got introduced in a show as it doesn't fucking
matter. Just play her music. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yes.
She is not lying, honey. So I had to come out, perform my little song.
And you would like literally get red for like 20 minutes after you went off
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stage if you looked busted, you know, even if you had a hole in your stocking.
So it's like you don't realize the top six that you name.
We're like we under we know that feeling. So we don't want to treat you like that.
That's not something I get off up on, like going to see a new performer.
That's not the best. I don't enjoy tearing anyone down because you can dig some
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of Sasha's old pictures up. And I was my goodness.
My goodness. Drag was unfortunate, honey, back in those days.
I don't share my photos. I share them regularly. I think we should start there.
Back in my day, we didn't get good at drag before we started doing it.
I watched these 18-year-olds come out and I'm like, well, fuck you. You're beautiful.
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I call them some of the COVID babies. They're like incredible.
And I'm like, boo, I was...
Terrible in drag when i first started maybe that's
what it should i should post a picture and be like top six you have
to be like bad in your drag at least once oh
god yeah you learn from it that's the bad drag we're trying
to protect yes okay no but
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that brings my question because when i started coming around like you
julia mother genevieve y'all were y'all
were running circles you know around the city and then you
took a break which is something that is not not i
guess it's not and i say celebrated
because sometimes you have to take a step away from it and you
know i remember asking you like are you serious like are you leaving because
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you again like i think genevieve was the first person i
ever saw in drag and then the next time i went to a show it was you and julia
and like y'all three were the only ones that i knew of in the scene and that
i followed and kept up with and like so to see you go i was like no i'm just
starting like i want to learn from you but how necessary you like especially
when you came back and you talked I needed that.
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I needed that time. And so I guess my question is, if you could speak to that
break, why you felt it was necessary, if you're willing to share,
and how that has then brought you to where you are when you came back.
And you created all these phenomenal shows, whether they were one night shows or girlfriends.
There's so much more opportunity, especially for all entertainers, again, because of you.
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Work all of us work in
nightlife which is already a very
toxic environment to work in we
are constantly surrounded by drugs alcohol then
later on the pressure to perform which most of us are pretty introverted shy
people outside of drag the stress of getting to get getting shows together and
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we put so much emphasis into performing into making the look that we forget
get to take care of our mental health.
And I did not. It was, it was.
Eight solid years of me just like going from
like zero to a hundred and i there was a
point where i would be doing three flip
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phone brunches on a saturday morning go work at lush
that night then do another three brunches sunday
morning or sometimes a first avenue show or a first avenue
show and i got to the point that
i was having like mental breakdowns after
i got home like i was like keeping my shit
together to do the show but it was like killing me
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outside of drag and finally i was like i need
to quit and i i quit like
i did not have any intent on like coming
back to perform because i was just like
i'm just ready to step away from this environment i can't
handle it anymore and taking that year
off one rejuvenated me
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and two made me miss drag and made me love it again and crave to be in it it's
also easier for me to say no now or to know my limits because i took a break
like that and i think there are a lot of people you don't have to take a year
off but just take a full weekend off give yourself like a full weekend not to do a show,
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So I always feel like it's find your busiest time of the year and then take
a month off after that season.
I think it's the best thing that you can do for your mental health.
But I still struggle with it now. Like, I love performing, but there are also
times that I just sit and daydream about living in a little,
like, cabin in the woods.
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Just enjoying yourself. Just enjoying yourself. yourself
and doing i don't know if it's the same for
all of you but has doing drag made it feel like time
sped up like oh my goodness yes oh
yeah 2024 yeah it feels like
you just crank the time machine up and i know that's part of getting older i'm
35 years old like everything just starts feeling like it's going faster but
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like drag really cranks that up a level and i think it's because we're always
looking to that show that's a month from now that we're getting ready for so So it's like,
we're never really sitting back and enjoying the present.
I was telling my boyfriend, I think my favorite thing that I'm looking towards
with drag is retirement.
Yeah. And he was like, wow. I'm like, yeah, seriously.
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I've been doing it nonstop almost 16 years. I took a year off because I needed
to. But when I came back, it's just been constant.
And I think the thing I'm looking towards is facial hair. and
just oh i would love
to see what i look like like in a full beard covet gave me like a little taste
but then we started doing digital drag i'm so looking forward to my beard i
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decided because like i was trying not to like shave my chest like at any point
again that way like i wouldn't.
Have to sit and deal with everything but then like looking
at like my entire closet of drag like go to go work
at the 90s i was like everything's like kind of
slutty and so like i had to
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literally sit in front of the mirror and do some like deep breathing exercises
before i finally just turned on the clippers and it's like okay here we go it's
so sad it's like losing a friend it is like covet boo i'm gonna tell you i loved
my facial hair and then chad's like what What do you think about digital drag
branches? I was like, oh my God, no.
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I miss that digital drag. Weren't they fun, though? That first one was just like, what?
What did we do? Tiger King?
No, wasn't the first one just an open? It was just, oh yeah,
it was just a regular drag. It was like the first time that we got to just do
something without a theme.
It was fun, yeah. I did like this because drag was like from here.
From the waist up. Oh my God. So fabulous, honey.
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I think I have a photo floating around of me in Elphaba makeup and a hat,
but it's a jockstrap and a Miller Lite.
Yeah wonderful i've
dragged from the waist up that is my kind
of drag let me tell you we got really
really creative that was really good so like nocturna
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like going forward what do you think you would
like to see in the scene the drag scene going forward because
i'm gonna tell you something especially after my little episode with
my facebook things i just would
love to see us come together no matter what even
the people that i beef with and i'm not
even going to call it beef have disagreements with i would just love to see
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us be a collective and a community and just come together because minneapolis
has so many good entertainers and artists here i just would love to see our
queerness shine bright together what about you.
I would love to see us be able to have conversations with each other and not
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arguments because nothing is going to be achieved when both sides are heated
and trying to defend themselves in that moment versus just sitting and talking with each other.
I would love to see like more opportunities pop up for drag and that is going
to be the creation of like more shows.
I think if we had one more weekly show like Hot Pink and Ladies of La Femme
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that was happening somewhere that was just multiple nights a week at the same
venue, I think that would create a lot more opportunities.
And I really want everyone to just feel safe and accepted in all of our spaces.
Says yeah same yeah i
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think that's like my biggest hope and to like
also just don't give some
one or two shows so much power over your drag career i
just think that was the difference we were
so different when it came to like shows and maybe
it was because we had so many to choose from in those times it
was not a lot of entertainers but it was just fun and
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i just don't want performers must to forget to have
fun with your drag because part of having doing good drag is having
a good time doing yeah i can never forget that my drag mother taught me that
she's like if you're not having fun why why even bother oh yeah if you don't
want to grow if you're not having fun doing drag and you're only doing it for
financial reasons like that's solely the only reason you do it,
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you shouldn't be doing it it's art first because it's your personal art that's
why you started it And then you get to take that and do what you want with it
and have it be doing those like super artistic shows, corporate style drag.
You get to choose, but always let it be like the reason that you love drag foremost.
All right. Yeah. Well, before we go, I always ask people about politics.
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I have to ask you really briefly. You don't have to give me like a, like who you voting for.
Trick question. Anybody but Trump.
Cause you know, Joe Biden is like, I mean, I'm not, if I have to,
I'm not going to be happy about it. I know.
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I know. Cause I don't, I mean, it's the same as last time. None of us really wanted to vote for.
Well, that's if in no shade to you, Joe Biden, I hope you make it to November,
but like, he's like, he can barely walk up the stairs, honey.
So like, hopefully he is alive to be voted for.
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Kamala Harris. I tend to, when it comes to politics, like world politics and
everything, I give myself...
Once a week to try to like sit down and catch up on everything.
Otherwise I feel like it's, we're not supposed as a human race supposed to be
plugged into everything that's happening throughout the world.
We were originally designed to have small communities without technology.
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And that's like the world that we kind of like functioned in.
So I feel like a lot of us who do have anxiety, depression, et cetera,
having that much constant knowledge coming can really just like ruin your day, day in and day out.
So I try to give myself one time, and lately I've tried to focus more on local
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government and what I can do local government, because I feel like it's easier
to make an impact locally than it is on a national level.
Amen. Even though I know you're not Christian, I'm not either.
No, I'm not even a Satanist. I'm stuck on it. I'm stuck on it.
We say amen down there, so sorry.
Amen. I'm not a Christian. Amen.
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Witches and gorgons,
he said gorgons it's a show wife swap have you seen wife swap before if you
haven't seen it you saw that i think like i've seen some reruns yeah that's
like my number one it's so great that woman is legend,
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Do you feel like when you walk, I know me, like I get my nails done.
I feel like a lot of times when I walk people, they look at me right away. She is not a Christian.
I turn and they're like, oh no, honey. Actually, that gives me an interesting
question for you, Knockers.
You have a lot of tattoos. Have you ever had people be like,
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What's up with your tattoos? My entire family? No. Well, okay.
I follow you. What have you done to God's temple today, Justin?
Well, I just put a burning steeple on my calf.
And my mom tries to justify everything. She's like, that upside down cross on your leg?
And I was like, yeah. And she's like, it's upright when you're looking at it. And I was like, okay.
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She's like, if you're going to do it, do it right. Yeah. Later.
Well, Nocturna, before we go, we do shout-outs to all the shows.
So we got shows coming up. I know if you want to go see some good drag around
here, there is shows at the Gay 90s, the Ladies of the Femme.
They have shows Wednesday through Sunday.
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Then we got Roxy's Cabaret. They have shows, I think, Thursday through Sunday.
I think it's Thursday through Sunday. day and then we got
karaoke on mondays with jenny v ramona love yes
you may catch mysterio castanet in the building yeah
and then we have uh we have haste
we have shows at lush we got hasis over at lush and then they have their weekly
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mirage show and their brunch shows on the weekends as well okay and then we
have a few other shows we got shows at saloon we got hot pink on tuesdays we
got hot pink on saturday and then when this comes out girlfriends is this this Sunday, is it not?
Or has it already happened? Oh, no, no, it should, not until February 21st.
That's February, it's already happened, not until February 21st.
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And that's Heartbreak Hotel, correct?
So excited for that one. Excited, that's a good theme.
And then we have, what other shows we have? It goes over at Blackheart as well,
over in St. Paul, make sure you go support them.
When this comes out is the same night that Booked, Evolve happens on the 26th, that's over at Saloon.
I'm trying to think, what else? We got a bunch of shows. Anyway,
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like if you don't know, Minneapolis has a vibrant drag scene.
Yeah. Go on social media. Soulful Sunday. Soulful Sunday.
Christina's show, Soulful Sunday. Shout out to Rooski.
I'm so excited for that one. I am excited for that. I love some good church music.
But like I said, go on social media and look. Don't make excuses like we don't
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have good shows around here. There are so many.
If you're not a part of them, go support them. Yes.
Advertise them. Because if you want people in them seats, honey,
we have to do the work as a community to make sure that all of these shows are very successful.
Support your local drag and also tip these performers. Tip your entertainers.
We don't do it for free. Hunty.
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Hunty. And as always, please like, share, and subscribe to Lemon Squeeze.
We love you so much. Nocturna, thank you for coming. Thanks for having me.
It was a pleasure. pleasure now when we go live i'm gonna
let nocturne to ghoul me out i would
love to still do a spooky yeah i have to do a spooky but it's been a pleasure
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sister thank you so much for joining us thank you thank you so much lemon cookies
for listening to another episode of lemon squeeze as always it is time for me
to go drink my juice shelby good night.
All right, children, welcome to another fabulous episode of The Lemon Squeeze.
Oh, I have a very, very special guest, another very, very special guest,
one of my dear friends, the Antichrist of drag, Nocturnal Lee Mission in the house.
Booyah! Yes. How's it going? It is going wonderful. Wonderful girl.
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I'm super excited to be here. You ready for this Lemon Squeeze?
I think so. Okay. I'm ready. And you know I can't do this show without my fabulous
co-host, Mysterio Castadine and Lady Camille Castadine.
Nocturna, how you been doing, girl? I've been doing well. I feel like I'm still
recovering from October and December.
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Doing like 50 different makeups kind of took it out of a girl,
so she's bouncing back slowly.
You do some incredible work, by the way. I want to give you kudos face-to-face
because I suck at social media.
Like, I'm still not at the place. By the way, if you didn't know,
listeners, I'm in my 40s.
I came out when Nokia had the, like, flashing battery packs in the antenna.
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I miss my brick phone. I know. Wasn't it nice? But, like, I'm horrible with it.
So I see the pictures and I'm like, oh, my God, I love this,
but I don't like it. I don't comment.
Oh, that's what we thought. Yeah, you know I love you, though. Yeah.
You're so talented. Octurna, how long have you, like, been doing drag? Yeah.
In March, it'll be my 11th year. 11? Oh, wow.
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I think I met you, like, we met at Lush. Yeah, we met at Lush,
so probably back in, like, 2015, 2016.
It's been so long. That's when I moved up here. Yeah. Yeah.
Wow. It's been a while. Yeah, I've been doing it for 11 years now,
and, man, I feel like I've been all over the city.
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I started off with Suck It, Victoria DeVille's show, and then went to being a cast member at Lush.
Probably a little too rough around the edges to be a cast member at that point,
but I'm thankful for it. Yeah, I think you're incredible.
And I don't know, just trying to always have fun taking any new opportunity that I can.
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Anything that challenges my makeup, my looks, I'm on board to do.
And you even started a wonderful show, Ghoul Friends, which I'm telling you,
I think you've done a great thing for the entertainers that like to play in that realm.
How's that been for you? One, it's been really rewarding.
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I remember coming up in the scene and being probably the only alternative performer
in Minneapolis, and there wasn't much of a space for that style of drag in Minneapolis at the time.
So i had to come up in like the
burlesque world and the dance party is doing
pop-up numbers so now to have an
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actual show that showcases alternative drag
of different kind of styles because alternative drag just isn't
spooky it's like the artistic side the creative side
anything that kind of steps out of that like norm that you would see we just
hit our year year anniversary oh it's a year already yeah girl damn time is
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a lot last november was our year or last october was our year mark so we're
already like four or five more shows into the year and we're booked through.
December at the saloon wow that's incredible though that's
a good show though you've done like a great thing for
the community creating the show and i think my favorite thing
about you is and i always express the
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entertainers like you can still make your
own way in this industry and stay true to yourself as a
performer and you've always done that and even dabbled
in a little glam drag along the way like yeah
you you've turned it out i honestly think being open
to taking other types of drag into your drag
is what will find you the most success i love
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going super bloody super scary all the
time but i also know that not
every show calls for that particular thing so it's like how do i take that and
that spooky vibe of nocturna but just like glamorize it or morph it into a different
way to like fit another producer's show and it's very inspiring Because I think
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under you, no matter what people say.
Nocturna opened the door for a lot of the alt entertainers here.
And you made it to me more mainstream here in the Twin Cities.
When, again, we didn't even have a scene like that. Because when we were coming
up, it was pageant, extra, super glam.
And if you weren't doing that, you weren't getting booked nowhere.
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You know, it was rough, honey. I remember back in those days,
I'd be like, you will never catch me wearing a rhinestone or a dresser trying to do pretty drag.
And now I'm like, you should probably throw some stones on that.
Thanks, Drag Race. No, I wouldn't even say it's like Drag Race.
I think it was all of like my sisters in the pageant world and just like.
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Them i think they definitely like kamari and
bad karma like really pushed me to
like get outside of my box of like kmart
black panties and a fishnet and be like hey girl try on
my dress and you're like oh oh you feel nice yeah
to see okay yes it was the exact opposite
for me because i did come up in a time when it
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was like pageant but like you go look at some old school sasha
your pictures and baby my colors like went all the way back i
consider myself alt in memphis tennessee but that
wasn't something that was popular so now like
i'm in your shoes i can't wait to do a girlfriends one day
so i can do some alt drag because people don't think that i
got it in me girl but i got it in me honey oh i
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feel like yeah i'm a i grew up watching horror movies as a
kid like like literally that's all my mom like did so
my thing was i want to be bloody i want
to be be gory i want to be bloody i don't want you
to even know that i'm sasha yeah wouldn't you
like that yeah that would be fun to watch you that's
also a really great deal because i get to watch the show yeah
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i host most of it oh so you don't even perform that
much i all i open the show every day
or every time we have a show and then i get
to watch pretty much like three quarters.
Of of it if i'm not changing and the next
theme is the next theme is the
heartbreak motel i am excited i'm actually
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gonna make my ass come out swollen feet and
all all i'm gonna say is i've
had a body bag in my closet for about a year now and it's finally getting put
they were they were like on sale on amazon so i couldn't pass up the opportunity
and it was in black mine throw some stones on it i had a well-being,
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Is that where you keep your trade?
It is. In the rhinestone body bag. Yep.
So tell us about, like, Justin outside of drag. I know, like,
we both share a love of, like, anime.
And just tell us some stuff about that.
It's so weird because Nocturna is such a crazy, like, introvert and can talk to anybody.
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But as soon as that makeup comes off, I want to be, like, on my couch with my
two fur babies, like, nerding out watching anime.
I also just get into like weird deep dives of like different things like this
past weekend It's been all documentaries either about cults minimalism or the dangers of social media.
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Girl like like mysterious my roommate like he will tell you my TV He thinks
my TV is boring, but like I like looking at documentaries about serial killer,
Holt's did you see the one on Netflix about the cults?
Yeah, which one are you talking about the twin flame?
Yes So good, yeah.
You need to check it out. Have you seen it, lady? No, the one I just watched
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is the one about the Duggars and how they're a religious sort of group,
how culty that is. There's another one called Mother God.
Mother God. Mother God was a lot. Yeah, I watched it twice. My God. You watched it twice?
Twice. It just came out. I had to watch it in portions.
Like literally I would pause it and like smoke a joint and just like breathe.
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I didn't watch the next thing it was it was it
was sad but it's i uh i oh i'm sorry
i was gonna say i i don't hate documentaries but yeah
i don't like watching them back to back to back all the time oh and normally
if he's watching a documentary all i have to do is watch it long enough and
then i'll fall into it too just because it's on that i could not watch it the
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mother god i was like i'm gonna just go on my own and like play switchers because
i refuse to watch this lady for another second.
Isn't that scary? Literally. The scary thing about those kind of documentaries
is that you almost get desensitized. So you watch one about a serial killer,
like blah, blah, blah, killed 27 people.
And then the next one you put on, like blah, blah, blah, killed five people.
And you're like, no. Next one.
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Not interesting. Not interesting. My God, don't be telling my secrets,
honey, because I'm the person.
You know, because it's, I think the reason why I watch, I'll speak for myself.
I watch a lot of them because I'm just fascinated by it.
It's like how do you kill like john wayne
gacy you know i'm not giving the man any kind of credit how
do you kill 30 something plus people
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and like go home and be like uh
well they said that he was like he was an
actually good neighbor he did a lot for his one of
the leaders he was the clown at his birthday
party like he has a picture seriously yeah one of my high school teachers
he showed me he was like yeah so john wayne gacy used to
be the clown that my parents would hire for my
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birthday party how scary and they found out that he was like murdering all these
young boys now where my teacher got lucky was that he was under the age that
john wangasey was targeting so a few more years a few more years he would have been in that age range.
Right creepy right but to be like such a degree of separation from that is just
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so strange because because you see it and you're so, like you said,
desensitized to it, because it feels so away, like we're at home watching this
happen. But to be that close, I'm like,
Yeah, I can watch a few of the John Wayne Gacy documentaries,
especially being from Chicago and having grown up in those plains as well.
Because I used to go to summer camp out there. Yeah.
Wild. It is wild. That's why I love watching documentaries. It's so good.
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Wild, man. The Fyre Festival documentary on Hulu.
That's a good one. Now that one is stressful. That's a good one.
That's a good one. Fyre Festival was one of my favorite ones. That was a good one.
That gave me anxiety, baby. I was like, this stuff is crazy.
I like seeing scams go wrong.
And it went so wrong. And I was like, this is amazing.
And all you kids that spent your daddy's last dollar to go out there,
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this is what you get. I felt nothing. I didn't grow up rich.
I'm like, serves you right. Exactly.
I was just like, this is crazy. How are y'all allowing this to happen?
Like, the red flags were so apparent for me.
And that's what was giving me anxiety. I was like, this is just common sense.
And y'all just don't want to have common sense. You're making this choice.
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They just wanted that clout. That's all it was.
You want to go to a concert? Because they had like, they tricked those kids.
They said all these like headliners were going to be at the concert.
They had a few of them to do commercials that did not show up to do the concert.
That was just shady all the way around. I forgot about that.
Yeah, I live for that. That was fabulous. Doing videos and stuff.
Crazy. So wild. So would you ever, Nocturnal, would you ever do Dragula?
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So I was actually really set on auditioning and turning in my video this January.
And then I watched the latest season and it was so heavily produced with drama
and fighting that I was just like,
I feel like I've tried to spend like the past 10 years of my career not being that like.
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Bitchy person and i just can't imagine
going on tv and pretending to be a bitch just to get
airtime so i decided that fame
is not for me and i am going to be content and
happy doing what i can do in my local scene that's fantastic that is
fantastic and although i do think that if you
went on dragula you would be a oh my goodness like
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i'm sure they're like i'm sure the boulets are like
please now that you said it they're
gonna call you straight up up and be like oh really that's
how you feel yeah i i do think it
would be a lot of fun i just wish they focused more
on drag yeah that's like my issue like
i i feel like i posted something about
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this earlier on in the week that i feel like these drag
competition shows are so focused
on the drama and inviting like the
premiere episode of this past season i don't think i heard
anything thing that wasn't to read like true right when
they were walking in instead of being like all excited that they're all
there together to do this competition they're just like reading
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each other from like head to toe and i think
that's kind of spilling over into a
lot of new performers coming into the scene thinking that like
that like a tv show like dialogue
is how you speak to people in person and it's not
and honestly it's hard for me because sometimes like people.
Come out the gate and trying to read me up and down i'm like i don't even know your
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name literally like how are you already
reading me right we don't know hello first yeah nice
to meet you too i guess i think unfortunately you
know thanks to and drag race
will have to give you this credit they drag
race has turned their side of things into drama so i
think and i hate the bullies are getting affected by
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and allowing it into the dragular world because part
of what i did like about the show was just the creativity and
i know for a fact like blackberry love
you blackberry also expressed that they did not enjoy
that side of the show that they would have had more
fun if it was just about the art yeah yeah i've talked to a couple people that
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have been on past seasons and they've told me that they think i'm making the
right decision by like not auditioning wow because there have been contestants
that have been removed early because they were too nice backstage and they They
wouldn't go into the fighting.
It's like, why do you trick people into paying all this money to get ready for
these shows? And then if you don't fight, drag race is the same way.
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I've heard the inside scoop on a lot of those where a lot of people went home
early because they were unwilling to put up a fight with someone that the producers picked.
And by the way, half of these producers don't even do drag in any form. That hard.
But they want you to fight and do all this crazy stuff to get ratings.
It's insane. saying and like I don't want it to sound like I'm like oh all of
these kids that are like starting drag because of drag race because I am a drag
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queen because of drag race yeah like when I saw.
Sharon Needles for the first time, I was just like, whoa, I could do like spooky, creepy, cool.
And then that's how I got into it. But I also don't feel like they needed the
drama on those earlier seasons, like one through four to like sell because people
were just excited to watch this new show about drag.
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But now it's just like they need that like next crazy thing,
like this new Raida Queen system that's happening.
Girl, don't copy the circle. It wasn't that good. What was the potion?
Didn't there, there's a split premiere.
The winners of each episode got an immunity potion that they can utilize for
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any challenge in the future.
But the catch is they can only utilize it before they know how the way to rate a queen results are.
So you have to choose it before, you know, if you're in top and bottom.
So like you could easily use it and then end up being the one who won that episode.
So now you don't have your immunity potion anymore.
Did you watch Drag Race Canada this past season? No, I did not.
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No, I did not have to catch up.
They had a golden beaver that they kept on pathing around that was,
like, supposed to, like, save a queen from going into the bottom two.
And I was just like, can we stop with the plungers and the beavers and the potions and the chocolate?
You know, it's chocolate. Yeah, because was it last season or season before?
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All of them got a chocolate bar. the first episode they all just randomly chose
a chocolate bar and one of them had a golden ticket in it Willy Wonka and the
whoever had the golden ticket so every time you got eliminated you had to open
your chocolate and if you had the golden ticket,
no one went home that week but there was only one I think it was the same season
that Bosco was on because I think that Bosco was the one that had the ticket.
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Yeah craziness honey yeah oh my goodness I mean that season it worked because
no one wanted Bosco to go home like we really that and look at the bitch now
you know I think that one it worked but for these other seasons...
And all and the all winners cat the all winners one
was cute too i would actually like to see like one of
the normal seasons that aren't an all-star try to
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do that format where like no one goes just do like 10 people instead of like
the 15 16 and just no one goes home let's see like everything because even this
past season of dragula they got rid of like two people and they continued to
post their looks like on their social every week and it was better than than
a lot of the people that were still on the show.
And you're like, shout out to Irene Dubois.
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Cause all of her stuff was much better than a lot of the girls who stayed on
that season. She was the first to go home.
You know, I think I would be more entertained if I could watch the shows and all the entertainment.
Yeah. I think it would, for me, it would be like watching housewives.
None of them get booted off and it's way more entertaining.
Cause you get to follow them. And so rather than like a split judgment on the
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first three episodes, well, most of them are gone at this point.
I don't really know them that well.
I mean, I watched the season finale of Dragula this year within five minutes
because I fast forward through the first 45 minutes of the episode and then
through all of their sob stories.
Because I was like, oh, I've heard the queer sob story on this show like every single time.
It's so recycled. Yeah. What did you think of this season? I don't know.
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I felt like it was lacking a little grit to the season.
Like, I really miss that first season of Dragula where they,
like, had, like, the worst sound system.
They were filming it in a basement against a black garbage bag.
And, like, and that felt like honking spooky drag. And so I miss that.
It just needed a little bit more, a little bit more grit to it.
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It felt like a lot of people were, they're like, here's the assignment.
It's terror in the woods.
And then suddenly everyone dressed as a camper. And you're like,
did everyone misunderstand the assignment?
I did feel that way, too. Because I'm like, Terror in the Woods,
why are we all thinking about camping?
Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you on that. There's so many horror movies that you
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could just reference from there. Well, I would have wanted it to be like a scary
tree or something. Yeah.
There's so many options there. Yeah. I always wanted to go on Dragula because
I always thought I love pop culture.
I love horror and all of that stuff. it's like i may
not have the best drag but my ideas are phenomenal and i
put a lot of people to shame with something like that here in
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the woods there's there's so many there was so much there's just
so many this season was hard too because you could really see the financial
gap in between all of the contestants so like there was a contestant named jk
who i thought was incredible but like made their looks out of like foam and
cardboard and acrylic paint and like Like they all ripped that contestant to shreds.
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But I'm like, then there was people that were wearing $4,000 boots on the stage.
And I'm like, so where's the equal competition if someone's coming in with like
obviously a financial backing? You could tell.
Oh, yeah. You can tell it in the new seasons of Drag Race, too.
Like if you go back to those early seasons, it is like H&M dresses,
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hand sewing, hot glue. Ant suit. Yeah.
We love you we love you I love those seasons,
Bebe had a catsuit for almost every runway. And she won. She sure did.
So what do you think about, Nocturne, what do you think about Minneapolis drag scene now?
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What do you think, especially from where we've come from? What do you think?
I love how much diversity there is in the styles of drag and the backgrounds
of the performers themselves that are doing drag.
It's really beautiful. there's a lot of like different types of
self self-expression happening i wish we
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had more venues in the city because when i
started drag i maybe started with like 10 people
and like kamari like bad karma lady swallows was all a part of that and now
it's like every week it feels like there's 10 new performers we got like so
many queens here now performers here now we have so many and all of them want
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to make it a career i've been doing it for 11 years and it's still Still not my career. Yeah.
My choice. I'm a full-time hairstylist. I own my own business doing chair rental
at heart salon in Northeast.
And I feel like if you try to like make it your career too soon, you end up.
Losing the love for drag because now there's
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this like pressure that drag has to pay your bills which
like it can help you pay your bills
like the tips and everything are nice but i just
think it's like really important too to do drag for
the sake of just loving drag for as long as you
can do it yeah and also it's like i
mean even the people that are doing it like full time
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in the city it's still difficult because we're not a
city like new york or chicago or la where you
can do three bookings in a single night yeah it's tough yeah for being a full-time
performer i think the only downside people don't see this is you are always
working yeah you're always producing and creating and thinking about it you
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don't really get a break you have to make yourself take a break I mean,
I watch those documentaries because as a producer,
I'm like working on promos and getting the next show and like planning out all of my shows.
Like it's a lot of work. And there's so much work that goes into drag behind the scenes.
The amount of work that we put into for three minutes on stage is insane.
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And the amount of money we spent. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
What do you think about like all of the other, like, cause I asked Julia,
she was here last time about like, what did she think about like all of the
new shows that were popping up?
And I'm not talking about like stuff like girlfriends or like some of the more
seasoned shows, but what do you think about like a lot of the newer performers starting shows?
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Do you think that, cause I can see where it helps, but I can also see where
it creates a lot of like negativity in the community a little bit.
Because some of the newer performers are not as experienced.
So they're now taking shows from venues who are like literally paying them pennies.
Like, what do you think about it?
I think there are a lot of new shows that are accepting gigs with restaurants
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and not actually getting compensated the way they should be. And I...
I am all about like paving your own path.
I think what is happening is
people are like, oh, I can get a show at like all seven of these places.
I'm going to do a show at all of them. But they haven't like really built a
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following or support around that one single show to grow their brand off of.
So you have to get that like one audience, like really soaked in before you
start producing too many things.
Cause then you'll just get swallowed up by it too.
I i think there
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is a a lot of saturation in
minneapolis right now when it comes to drag and i think
that makes it like really hard to get our
audiences to focus in on certain shows
to attend so then like we're we have
a we have a large audience base but it's
it's not the same anymore like i feel like
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when we 10 years ago when i was doing drag like the audiences were primarily
queer yeah and now our audience primarily is straight people coming to see the
show and so if they if their attentions get put in too many different directions it's really hard to.
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Pull them in and to focus and keep coming back to
your show because and i also
feel like there's so many shows with the same exact cast everywhere
yeah i agree yeah i totally agree
to that yeah a lot it was a lot it was a lot more i could say yeah you're right
because we were performing we had like college shows and stuff that we can go
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to and it was a lot of different performers performing at these different shows
but do you think the reason why because i'll say this and And people always ask,
like Flip Phone, you all book the same people.
But Flip Phone, in a sense, is a different kind of show. It's more on the corporate side of things.
And we tend to book the best of the best for a reason because that's what people A to C.
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Do you think the reason why that happens is because there are so many entertainers
now that are out here that want to perform and they're not all.
I don't want to be mean and say like. Polished.
Polished. there you go for lack of better words polished i
mean what do you think about like that because i
know i hear a lot of people say oh they book the same people over and over again i
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mean i'm running into that a lot with ghoul
friends like people are like oh like i want a chance to do ghoul friends and
for me it's like if i've never seen you turn a look but you like and i'm not
if you're if you're primarily a dancing queen that it does like the leotard
body suits you're probably Probably not going to be the first person I look
to book for ghoul friend because when I'm booking ghoul friends,
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I'm looking for people that are able to play in different looks and step outside
like their comfort style that they normally do. I also...
I feel like everyone wants to be a part of every show, but it's okay.
And it's not an insult if like you aren't right for that show.
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It's not, it's not me saying like, I don't like your drag. Your drag is bad, blah, blah, blah.
It's just saying you're just not right for this one.
But I could end up producing a show that's like a different theme than that you would be great for.
Like I've done, I have ghoul friends, which I'm very protective of,
but then I've done stuff like Saw. I've done stuff like the Pokeball with Mishika Shadow.
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And that opens it up to a different type of performer.
But I sometimes think when it comes to here, because we run into this thing,
and I'll speak for myself, I ran into this thing where the kings all feel like
they're not as embraced by the queens.
I don't think that. I think that a lot of kings, and I'll say this,
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and I know this might sting to some people, don't put as much effort into it
as the queens do when it comes to their drag.
I think a lot of kings here have been comfortable for so long,
and they haven't had to do anything, or at least that's what they feel like.
But now that all these other fabulous shows are popping up that we are making
a little more money from, they're like, okay, I want this too.
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But I want you to take me as I am. And I don't, I don't know.
I don't, I mean, do you think that, do you, have you seen that more around the
scene that there's kings versus queens now?
I don't know if I've seen, seen like a versus as much as just like,
there is like an irritation on like both sides.
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And when it comes to flip phone, like I have done flip phone for years.
It's you can be creative but
like you said earlier it is a corporate style of drag so like if you're wanting
to come to do flip phone just to do you that's not what flip phone books you
for they book you to come be a gingerbread man or a dragon right you know so
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like you're going in to play a character to be like just yourself yeah.
I feel like kings, they don't get that big wow that the audience gives queens.
And I sometimes just think that can be just because of the visual spectacle.
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The hair is big, the fake body, the costumes.
And there are a lot of kings that have done that. I came up with Damien Deluxe.
Oh, he was wonderful. beautiful yeah just like big feathers everything hair
costumes jewelry like the true 100 commitment,
who else vincent the destroyer was another
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one that was really really good with visuals and like
do you remember like some of the first avenue shows that we
would do and vincent would like totally like i would
say i'll take my bow like kill the queens that
like we had some good kings kings that were working with us
once upon a time with flip phone and i think that's something i want to point
out it's like just elevate your drag because like you said visually when you
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look at a drag queen we have so many things going on that sells us right away
and the kings it's like i don't know and i'll speak for minneapolis kings because
i've seen some kings abroad that like,
they turn it out makeup hair costumes i think some of the minneapolis kings.
Some of them fit more of the burlesque scene and some
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of them some of them are just not i don't
know i don't want to be mean but i have to always be honest some of
them are just not meant to be performing on some
of the stages it might be something else in the arts that they're meant to do
but drag is not it do you ever feel like that sometimes i think it's more for
me just Just like not every venue or every show is for you because if you want like.
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To do the more corporate stuff. If you want to do the really big flashy shows,
like having those big flashy costumes and looks and stuff, are you going,
or is what you're going to have to start doing to like fit your drag into that world.
But if you want to do like more of the artistic side of drag,
there are shows like that where those audiences celebrate what you're doing.
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So it's just, it's being able to be a little bit of a chameleon when you're in drag.
And that, I think that is like the most like, successful
way that you can do drag that is being
is being able to play in all of
the i love that i definitely love that in my
experience here in particular when it
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comes to the kings in general when it especially when
it comes to kings versus queens i just feel like a lot
of the kings the male presenting performers
here it's not that they are not entertaining
painting but when it comes to drag like
your physical aspect of it a lot of them like you said nocturna
people want to come and be who they
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are like what i'm giving you is what i
want you to love and take in and want more of it
when the sad fact is if i'm not wowed i
don't want to see it anymore yeah and i feel like
a lot of the kings here when
you when they say hey what can i do to to be better and
you say you need to keep elevating you need to keep trying new things you need
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to keep embellishing adding more doing more they get offended and they take
it the wrong way and you're saying oh my stuff is cheap or my stuff isn't valid
because i'm not spending or i can't a hundred dollars no yeah i've read it that's
not what i'm saying i'm saying.
You can keep a budget but you can also tell when you're taking the time to elevate your drag Exactly.
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I've made costumes with $10 and a hope and a prayer that look like I bought
it. You know what I mean? So...
It's just, you have to try. And I feel like a lot of the Kings here,
they don't want to try. They think what I put together today is enough.
And if you don't like it, then there's something wrong with you.
Instead of saying, I want to grow and I want to continue to be better.
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I want to do something else. It's the grass is greener on the other side.
And it's like, it's not that the grass is greener on the other side.
You're just not taking care of your side.
Your side could be as lush and as beautiful, but you're not putting the effort
in to make it that lush. It's an investment, and a lot of people ignore that
fact when they see what everyone else has.
And Nocturna, to your credit, let's talk about your challenges that you do.
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Those looks, I think you pointed out that those looks were all inexpensive.
Yeah. Right? The construction coming up with that stuff, it just took time and
work. Yeah, it took a lot of time.
Yeah. And I think like, because like we're talking about like kings,
I think there are a lot of drag queens in this community too that are just as
guilty of like doing the same three numbers with the same three dirty costumes
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and being like, I should be booked in every one of your shows.
So I don't think that's specifically just a king thing.
And I love going to watch drag. And one thing I will like, not one thing,
but a thing I want to give the kings, especially the ones coming up in the scene
right now, is their concepts compared to the queen's concepts are wild.
Where like a lot of us like i'm a visual i my
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numbers aren't high concept or anything i'm going to
present a look and give you a number i think the
kings are really good at like creating that like storytelling yeah i definitely
agree that there are some that i've watched that you know are not necessarily
flip phone kings but like i go out i'm like man that was good like i enjoy I
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can see the story behind it. Love the costume.
I love the concept. I love all of it. There are a bunch of kings.
I just think what I think the kings need to do, and my advice,
because a lot of people don't know I was a king first before I was a queen. I was a pageant king.
Create it's time for them to me to create more shows
for themselves because those shows would be just
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accessible successful as some of the shows that we've
been i have a pleasure to be a part of and
to create is just have faith in your art form because i think that they i think
some entertainers rest on trying to be a part of something instead of saying
hey let me create something that people can be a part of like you've done with
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ghoul friends and because i think like Like you said,
a lot of these kings, there are really, really good kings.
And I think some of the next episodes, I'll name a few just to let them know
that I see them out there that are doing great for themselves in this industry.
It just sucks. There's not a lot of venues and not a lot of shows for them to be a part of.
And then some of the shows, because there are some king shows where I don't
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see a lot of these new creative kings that are able to be a part of.
Like, I love Dragged Out, but I would love to see some of the newer kings on Dragged Out.
I think a lot of the new kings didn't know about dragged out really aren't aware
because there's that like saint paul divide kind of deal oh yeah you've performed
in minneapolis like you don't really go over to saint paul kind of that's true
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that's true it's just also.
There's like a lack of like knowledge gathering when new performers enter the
scene being like Like, who were the performers before I came in?
Or who were the performers, like, deep after that?
Like, I was watching drag before I started it.
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So I was, like, sitting, like, 18, fresh from the country at the 90s,
watching CeCe Russell and Roxy Marquis and Marco West and all of them.
Like, just, I wish it was back in those days where I could just stand in one spot and have a line.
Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. See, Nocturna, yeah. See, a lot of people
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don't, like, because now it's, like, a struggle to get a tip at some of the shows.
But, like, I remember going to those shows, like, and watching them,
like, have lines of people that as soon as their song came on,
these people were, like, standing up ready to tip them. Oh, those were the days.
They were. I'm glad I got to perform shows like that. But those were the days. Like, that was nice.
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And you just felt like in those days your drag was, like, appreciated. Because even though.
And a lot of queens, oh, Sasha, you work flip phone, you're just... I do commercial drag.
We know that in commercial drag, we're like circus clowns.
They come to see us jump around and perform a dance, but those days,
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they were treating us like freaking gods, and it's a difference.
And yet, I've earned a nice little fan base from flip phone,
but still people come to see a circus clown.
They come to see somebody do tricks, honey. Oh, yeah. I feel like...
A lot of drag brunches are kind of just like the modern day freak show.
It is. You're like, oh man, I do feel like a clown.
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Like some of the most ugly moments of my drag career have been because of flip phone. Right.
Like Zach Morris for saved by the bell, which I pretty much just had to recycle
that costume to be Jane Lynch and the glee brunch a couple of years ago.
To hear you say how much you hated your look oh my
god that's a fun brush that memory pops up and
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i'm like i can't believe but i'm really happy the other two looks
don't ever pop up in my memory like i don't think
i reshared those ones mine's probably
definitely will be uh the sister act brunch when i have to do
whoopi goldberg oh you don't feel good during that
one no eyebrows no just bland
brown lips no yeah no my wigs
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i always complain when i have to do that one yeah yeah it's
not because how can you make looking like a nun look fabulous i'm
sorry no that that show is a beast too and i don't think i think people see
the videos of like us collecting tips yeah but they don't watch that like we're
doing this three times in a row in wet drag we're changing back into wet drag
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for the second and third round and you maybe have 10 10 to 15 minutes.
Like less to get into a costume and be, the elevator might be broken and you
might have to run up the stairs in a pair of heels.
Feet sore. Oh my God. Like you name it. That's why I'm like,
I would love performers.
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Like if you're new, enjoy it. Cause that's what it was when I was coming up.
I just liked being in drag.
I didn't care if I was getting booked a hundred dollars show.
I didn't even care. Sometimes I didn't even get show pay. I just wanted to perform.
I wanted to like create. Cause in those days I was creating some of my own looks
and I just wanted to wear something that I made on stage. It was fun.
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It's rare that I say no to a show these days. Cause I'm just like excited for
a new experience, especially being in the Minneapolis scene for so long.
And the city doesn't really grow. Yeah.
We didn't get any new venues. One just closed and then reopened with new owners.
You know, it still feels weird to be in there, but it's a lot of fun.
I just get excited to do like new things.
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And I think that's why I did those like those looks over October and December.
Because I was just like, here's an opportunity for me to just like focus on the makeup portion.
I see you doing a few other like newer shows that are popping up, which I'm not.
If you're listening, Sasha still likes to do that too. People don't ask me because
they think that I'm above taking a $40, $50 egg.
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If it's fun, I'll do it. I really will do it. I've been told that they thought
I would say no if they asked. And I'm like, wow.
And see, they don't know that we long for something like that when we've been
doing drag all these years.
And we have made it to a certain place where we can be comfortable in it.
But it's still, it's so much fun to go back and just enjoy being a part of a
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drag show. I just love that feeling.
Um oh go ahead no i'm sorry i was
saying the conversation is swaying me to say one
of my questions i actually had for you was about
this in particular the changes went off the track but about
uh recently someone made a mention
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of the top six oh my
god in our community and although they
didn't name any names as to who the top six were obviously
everyone made their own inferences but for the most part those of
us who know we know we do who we were
already so did you did you know nocturna did
you know i had a feeling okay so i
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mean i personally feel like it was already wild that the comment was made but
hey that's that person's opinion do you you know but i wanted to know one how
do you feel about that and do you think it's true like basically Basically,
are there a lot of shows or show directors or producers here that are gatekeeping,
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basically, for their friends or for their drag children or...
Like, like you were saying, you like seeing new people come up as long as they're
willing to work and grow and everything.
But do you think a lot of producers here are like, well, I already work with
this queen, so I'm only going to continue working with this queen.
You're fabulous, but since you're brand new, I'm just not going to work with
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you at all. I don't feel like it's that cut and dry, that that's what's happening in the city at all.
I think there are a lot of different things that go into being a producer,
and you won't realize it until you are producing.
Saying that when you're booking a performer, you want to know that they're bringing
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quality entertainment to your show, that you are going to be promoting that
show that you are booked for.
That you are going to bring your friends to that show.
There's a bunch of different levels
to it. I personally, if I see someone being a damn mess online 24-7,
I'm not going to book you because you are no longer a
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party to me online so why do i want to put that yeah
into the show yeah and yes
producers are going to have people that they really
like working with because that person proved to that producer that they are
reliable that they deliver every time that they get booked like i added cast
members to ghoul friends because they like stepped in and like helped me when
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we had like call outs or people back out and so those two like prove themselves And I was like, yeah,
I would love to have you on cast. Plus, they're amazing artists.
The top six comment that was made and that it was made during a show, like during a number.
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During a competition. The top six that you were probably referring to were all
sitting in the audience supporting this show. And the contestants.
We're not dumb. We've been around long enough to know when someone is talking about you.
I think there is a way to create change in the drag scene without attacking each other.
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Oh, my goodness. Thank you. That's the big thing.
And I don't think there's a lot of thinking going into online fighting all the
time because we're also using those same platforms to advertise our show to people.
So if people are paying more attention to the the drama that's happening in the scene,
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they're probably not going to want to come to the show
that we're advertising that's so true that's true
very well said yeah that is very well i think
it goes back to what we were originally talking about like the way that drag
is portrayed on tv sometimes his swing how people talk to each each other and
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how they deal with each other because I personally feel like the comment was
entirely rude that's how I feel personally and I don't think it's something that,
Should have been said, especially during a competition and in front of,
like you said, the people that are actually here to support you and hope you do a great job.
But, I mean, I just feel like now a lot of people, like I said earlier,
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instead of trying to figure out how to fit into what they see going on,
they'd rather attack you and say that there's something wrong with you.
So, yeah, it is. It is sad. And I have to say, please don't waste your energy.
I'll speak for myself. don't waste it on me because i'd be so unbothered like
i and i when i do like if you see me like argue on the internet it's for fun
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i'm i want some entertainment i'm bored i've played all my video games i beat
them i'm waiting on new ones to come out and i have time,
so i'll speak just uh just as a producer of ghoul friends like i have had people
message me and be be like, you haven't booked me yet.
And I'm like, well, you don't get it just because you ask, but I,
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There's a reason that there are more cast member slots in a show than guest
spots, because the familiarity of going to a show and seeing one of your favorites
again is what has people keep on coming back.
And the guest is like the bonus to the show.
Like, this is the new, fresh, exciting thing that like you haven't seen with our cast before.
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Like i don't we've all gone to the like back in the day
i would go to the 90s and i wouldn't care if i saw monica west
do her superstar number a bajillion times i
was just excited to see monica west do her superstar and
that's how shows are built is having.
A consistent cast or a
regular performers that come through to
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help build that brand that's definitely how flip phone
achieved a lot of success because of the hard
work of me you you know and others
that work with the show and the people that come back and be like oh my goodness i
brought my friend back to see you and that you don't
realize that it's a business and you know if you're really trying
to make money from it i think that's what entertainers also
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have to understand it's either you're doing it for fun or
you're trying to make it a career and if you're trying to make it a career you got to do the right
things you have to promote your shows you have to
go out to other shows that you're not a part of that part if you
want to be in somebody's shows i'll i'll use
luna as a good example luna got into flip phone brunches because
we would do themes and luna would post herself
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in a theme like a whole look and
of course they got your got my attention after a while like
you know chad sent me hey did you see this i'm like
yeah i saw it that was incredible and that's how she got booked
that's exactly how and she came in as a cameo and she
took off from theirs same with Anya and others I just think that like instead
of just like going after our top six again cause the top six that you named
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were totally unbothered we've been doing drag so long like I don't think we
even like care to quarrel with anyone about like.
It's unnecessary. I'd rather you hit me up and say, hey, Sasha,
you know, can you help me? Sure.
I'll point you to a good designer. You know, I may not be available to like
help you rhinestone, but I'll make all kinds of suggestions.
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I'm very supportive in that way. If I have old drag and old wigs,
I'm not going to charge you for them.
I give stuff away because I don't feel like it has a value after we've worn it 10 or 20 times.
I think the top six that they're like naming, they don't realize how supportive
we are because we came from such a hard knock scene when we were coming up where
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we had people that were in power that told us, you're ugly.
I got straight up, you're ugly. I got introduced in a show as it doesn't fucking
matter. Just play her music. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yes.
She is not lying, honey. So I had to come out, perform my little song.
And you would like literally get red for like 20 minutes after you went off
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stage if you looked busted, you know, even if you had a hole in your stocking.
So it's like you don't realize the top six that you name.
We're like we under we know that feeling. So we don't want to treat you like that.
That's not something I get off up on, like going to see a new performer.
That's not the best. I don't enjoy tearing anyone down because you can dig some
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of Sasha's old pictures up. And I was my goodness.
My goodness. Drag was unfortunate, honey, back in those days.
I don't share my photos. I share them regularly. I think we should start there.
Back in my day, we didn't get good at drag before we started doing it.
I watched these 18-year-olds come out and I'm like, well, fuck you. You're beautiful.
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I call them some of the COVID babies. They're like incredible.
And I'm like, boo, I was...
Terrible in drag when i first started maybe that's
what it should i should post a picture and be like top six you have
to be like bad in your drag at least once oh
god yeah you learn from it that's the bad drag we're trying
to protect yes okay no but
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that brings my question because when i started coming around like you
julia mother genevieve y'all were y'all
were running circles you know around the city and then you
took a break which is something that is not not i
guess it's not and i say celebrated
because sometimes you have to take a step away from it and you
know i remember asking you like are you serious like are you leaving because
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you again like i think genevieve was the first person i
ever saw in drag and then the next time i went to a show it was you and julia
and like y'all three were the only ones that i knew of in the scene and that
i followed and kept up with and like so to see you go i was like no i'm just
starting like i want to learn from you but how necessary you like especially
when you came back and you talked I needed that.
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I needed that time. And so I guess my question is, if you could speak to that
break, why you felt it was necessary, if you're willing to share,
and how that has then brought you to where you are when you came back.
And you created all these phenomenal shows, whether they were one night shows or girlfriends.
There's so much more opportunity, especially for all entertainers, again, because of you.
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Work all of us work in
nightlife which is already a very
toxic environment to work in we
are constantly surrounded by drugs alcohol then
later on the pressure to perform which most of us are pretty introverted shy
people outside of drag the stress of getting to get getting shows together and
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we put so much emphasis into performing into making the look that we forget
get to take care of our mental health.
And I did not. It was, it was.
Eight solid years of me just like going from
like zero to a hundred and i there was a
point where i would be doing three flip
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phone brunches on a saturday morning go work at lush
that night then do another three brunches sunday
morning or sometimes a first avenue show or a first avenue
show and i got to the point that
i was having like mental breakdowns after
i got home like i was like keeping my shit
together to do the show but it was like killing me
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outside of drag and finally i was like i need
to quit and i i quit like
i did not have any intent on like coming
back to perform because i was just like
i'm just ready to step away from this environment i can't
handle it anymore and taking that year
off one rejuvenated me
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and two made me miss drag and made me love it again and crave to be in it it's
also easier for me to say no now or to know my limits because i took a break
like that and i think there are a lot of people you don't have to take a year
off but just take a full weekend off give yourself like a full weekend not to do a show,
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So I always feel like it's find your busiest time of the year and then take
a month off after that season.
I think it's the best thing that you can do for your mental health.
But I still struggle with it now. Like, I love performing, but there are also
times that I just sit and daydream about living in a little,
like, cabin in the woods.
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Just enjoying yourself. Just enjoying yourself. yourself
and doing i don't know if it's the same for
all of you but has doing drag made it feel like time
sped up like oh my goodness yes oh
yeah 2024 yeah it feels like
you just crank the time machine up and i know that's part of getting older i'm
35 years old like everything just starts feeling like it's going faster but
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like drag really cranks that up a level and i think it's because we're always
looking to that show that's a month from now that we're getting ready for so So it's like,
we're never really sitting back and enjoying the present.
I was telling my boyfriend, I think my favorite thing that I'm looking towards
with drag is retirement.
Yeah. And he was like, wow. I'm like, yeah, seriously.
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I've been doing it nonstop almost 16 years. I took a year off because I needed
to. But when I came back, it's just been constant.
And I think the thing I'm looking towards is facial hair. and
just oh i would love
to see what i look like like in a full beard covet gave me like a little taste
but then we started doing digital drag i'm so looking forward to my beard i
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decided because like i was trying not to like shave my chest like at any point
again that way like i wouldn't.
Have to sit and deal with everything but then like looking
at like my entire closet of drag like go to go work
at the 90s i was like everything's like kind of
slutty and so like i had to
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literally sit in front of the mirror and do some like deep breathing exercises
before i finally just turned on the clippers and it's like okay here we go it's
so sad it's like losing a friend it is like covet boo i'm gonna tell you i loved
my facial hair and then chad's like what What do you think about digital drag
branches? I was like, oh my God, no.
(54:51):
I miss that digital drag. Weren't they fun, though? That first one was just like, what?
What did we do? Tiger King?
No, wasn't the first one just an open? It was just, oh yeah,
it was just a regular drag. It was like the first time that we got to just do
something without a theme.
It was fun, yeah. I did like this because drag was like from here.
From the waist up. Oh my God. So fabulous, honey.
(55:12):
I think I have a photo floating around of me in Elphaba makeup and a hat,
but it's a jockstrap and a Miller Lite.
Yeah wonderful i've
dragged from the waist up that is my kind
of drag let me tell you we got really
really creative that was really good so like nocturna
(55:33):
like going forward what do you think you would
like to see in the scene the drag scene going forward because
i'm gonna tell you something especially after my little episode with
my facebook things i just would
love to see us come together no matter what even
the people that i beef with and i'm not
even going to call it beef have disagreements with i would just love to see
(55:55):
us be a collective and a community and just come together because minneapolis
has so many good entertainers and artists here i just would love to see our
queerness shine bright together what about you.
I would love to see us be able to have conversations with each other and not
(56:16):
arguments because nothing is going to be achieved when both sides are heated
and trying to defend themselves in that moment versus just sitting and talking with each other.
I would love to see like more opportunities pop up for drag and that is going
to be the creation of like more shows.
I think if we had one more weekly show like Hot Pink and Ladies of La Femme
(56:43):
that was happening somewhere that was just multiple nights a week at the same
venue, I think that would create a lot more opportunities.
And I really want everyone to just feel safe and accepted in all of our spaces.
Says yeah same yeah i
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think that's like my biggest hope and to like
also just don't give some
one or two shows so much power over your drag career i
just think that was the difference we were
so different when it came to like shows and maybe
it was because we had so many to choose from in those times it
was not a lot of entertainers but it was just fun and
(57:26):
i just don't want performers must to forget to have
fun with your drag because part of having doing good drag is having
a good time doing yeah i can never forget that my drag mother taught me that
she's like if you're not having fun why why even bother oh yeah if you don't
want to grow if you're not having fun doing drag and you're only doing it for
financial reasons like that's solely the only reason you do it,
(57:50):
you shouldn't be doing it it's art first because it's your personal art that's
why you started it And then you get to take that and do what you want with it
and have it be doing those like super artistic shows, corporate style drag.
You get to choose, but always let it be like the reason that you love drag foremost.
All right. Yeah. Well, before we go, I always ask people about politics.
(58:13):
I have to ask you really briefly. You don't have to give me like a, like who you voting for.
Trick question. Anybody but Trump.
Cause you know, Joe Biden is like, I mean, I'm not, if I have to,
I'm not going to be happy about it. I know.
(58:33):
I know. Cause I don't, I mean, it's the same as last time. None of us really wanted to vote for.
Well, that's if in no shade to you, Joe Biden, I hope you make it to November,
but like, he's like, he can barely walk up the stairs, honey.
So like, hopefully he is alive to be voted for.
(58:54):
Kamala Harris. I tend to, when it comes to politics, like world politics and
everything, I give myself...
Once a week to try to like sit down and catch up on everything.
Otherwise I feel like it's, we're not supposed as a human race supposed to be
plugged into everything that's happening throughout the world.
We were originally designed to have small communities without technology.
(59:18):
And that's like the world that we kind of like functioned in.
So I feel like a lot of us who do have anxiety, depression, et cetera,
having that much constant knowledge coming can really just like ruin your day, day in and day out.
So I try to give myself one time, and lately I've tried to focus more on local
(59:39):
government and what I can do local government, because I feel like it's easier
to make an impact locally than it is on a national level.
Amen. Even though I know you're not Christian, I'm not either.
No, I'm not even a Satanist. I'm stuck on it. I'm stuck on it.
We say amen down there, so sorry.
Amen. I'm not a Christian. Amen.
(01:00:07):
Witches and gorgons,
he said gorgons it's a show wife swap have you seen wife swap before if you
haven't seen it you saw that i think like i've seen some reruns yeah that's
like my number one it's so great that woman is legend,
(01:00:28):
Do you feel like when you walk, I know me, like I get my nails done.
I feel like a lot of times when I walk people, they look at me right away. She is not a Christian.
I turn and they're like, oh no, honey. Actually, that gives me an interesting
question for you, Knockers.
You have a lot of tattoos. Have you ever had people be like,
(01:00:50):
What's up with your tattoos? My entire family? No. Well, okay.
I follow you. What have you done to God's temple today, Justin?
Well, I just put a burning steeple on my calf.
And my mom tries to justify everything. She's like, that upside down cross on your leg?
And I was like, yeah. And she's like, it's upright when you're looking at it. And I was like, okay.
(01:01:17):
She's like, if you're going to do it, do it right. Yeah. Later.
Well, Nocturna, before we go, we do shout-outs to all the shows.
So we got shows coming up. I know if you want to go see some good drag around
here, there is shows at the Gay 90s, the Ladies of the Femme.
They have shows Wednesday through Sunday.
(01:01:39):
Then we got Roxy's Cabaret. They have shows, I think, Thursday through Sunday.
I think it's Thursday through Sunday. day and then we got
karaoke on mondays with jenny v ramona love yes
you may catch mysterio castanet in the building yeah
and then we have uh we have haste
we have shows at lush we got hasis over at lush and then they have their weekly
(01:02:02):
mirage show and their brunch shows on the weekends as well okay and then we
have a few other shows we got shows at saloon we got hot pink on tuesdays we
got hot pink on saturday and then when this comes out girlfriends is this this Sunday, is it not?
Or has it already happened? Oh, no, no, it should, not until February 21st.
That's February, it's already happened, not until February 21st.
(01:02:23):
And that's Heartbreak Hotel, correct?
So excited for that one. Excited, that's a good theme.
And then we have, what other shows we have? It goes over at Blackheart as well,
over in St. Paul, make sure you go support them.
When this comes out is the same night that Booked, Evolve happens on the 26th, that's over at Saloon.
I'm trying to think, what else? We got a bunch of shows. Anyway,
(01:02:45):
like if you don't know, Minneapolis has a vibrant drag scene.
Yeah. Go on social media. Soulful Sunday. Soulful Sunday.
Christina's show, Soulful Sunday. Shout out to Rooski.
I'm so excited for that one. I am excited for that. I love some good church music.
But like I said, go on social media and look. Don't make excuses like we don't
(01:03:05):
have good shows around here. There are so many.
If you're not a part of them, go support them. Yes.
Advertise them. Because if you want people in them seats, honey,
we have to do the work as a community to make sure that all of these shows are very successful.
Support your local drag and also tip these performers. Tip your entertainers.
We don't do it for free. Hunty.
(01:03:28):
Hunty. And as always, please like, share, and subscribe to Lemon Squeeze.
We love you so much. Nocturna, thank you for coming. Thanks for having me.
It was a pleasure. pleasure now when we go live i'm gonna
let nocturne to ghoul me out i would
love to still do a spooky yeah i have to do a spooky but it's been a pleasure
(01:03:48):
sister thank you so much for joining us thank you thank you so much lemon cookies
for listening to another episode of lemon squeeze as always it is time for me
to go drink my juice shelby good night.
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