Ep 151 - The Dance Between Solitude and Connection: Awakening Creativity Through Stillness with Shebhana Coelho (2/4 Emotional Manifesting Generator) - The Provoking Prosperity Podcast I Supporting Creatives to Break Free From The Constraints of Conformity & Infuse Their Business With Purpose & Authenticity

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.999Today, I have the pleasure of speaking with Sharbana Coelho, an award winning writer, performance artist, and workshop facilitator who fully embodies the energy of the Right Angle Across the Planning.
Her journey is a blend of bold execution and deep introspection, all while creating systems that nurture communities well being.

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Originally from India, Sharbana's travels through Tierra del Fuego and Mongolia shaped her creative path.
She's inspired by traditional dance, and through this she's found a balance between the solitude of Gate 40, And the community building energy of Gate 37 with the mastery of the Gate 16 and focus of Gate 9.

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.999Her work provokes, inspires, and connects deeply with others.
During this interview, I had the privilege of going deeper into some reflections of how she is carrying this energy and embodying her Incarnation Cross.
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It took away some beautiful insights.

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Thank you.
Her story invites us to explore our own creativity, release fear, and discover our voice in landscapes of our lives.
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I hope you enjoy.

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I am your host, Miranda Mitchell.
I am a two four Manny Jen, who is here.
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So grab the cup of coffee, get comfy, and get ready to hear the heartwarming and heart-wrenching personal stories, all things human design and gen keys, plus tangible practices that you can implement right now for your personal and business growth. 19 00:02:23,257.778 --> 00:02:27,987.678 I am here today on the Provoking Prosperity podcast with Shabana Coilo. 20 00:02:27,987.778 --> 00:02:29,277.778 So grateful that you are here. 21 00:02:29,277.778 --> 00:02:30,827.778 Thank you for joining us. 22 00:02:31,742.778 --> 00:02:33,162.778 Thank you, Miranda, for having me. 23 00:02:33,162.778 --> 00:02:34,812.778 I'm really thrilled to be here. 24 00:02:35,712.778 --> 00:02:45,932.779 Your journey of moving through India, living in India, being born in India to, moving into landscapes of Argentina and Mongolia. 25 00:02:46,327.779 --> 00:03:04,107.779 How did these experiences reshape your inner world and influence your creative work that you're bringing today? I think they were massive and I would say one of the, I call it that year where I left the city to go to Tierra del Fuego in Argentina. 26 00:03:04,637.779 --> 00:03:12,847.779 It was I call it my resurrection year because I felt like something major happened where I said, if all I do is live in cities. 27 00:03:13,292.779 --> 00:03:29,12.778 I would regret it, I had read about all these places in geography class in India when I was growing up and I grew up as a city girl and, I won this grand for a short story, the promise, not even the promise shown, it was like 8, 000. 28 00:03:29,62.778 --> 00:03:32,962.679 And I'm like, I am going to Tierra del Fuego. 29 00:03:33,992.779 --> 00:03:37,422.779 That, that kicked off what was like two years of travel. 30 00:03:37,802.779 --> 00:03:42,62.779 This, Tierra del Fuego is at the southwestern most tip of the world. 31 00:03:43,272.779 --> 00:03:45,172.779 After that, the next stop is Antarctica. 32 00:03:46,22.778 --> 00:03:50,482.779 And a lot of people go there to begin their lives again, even people who live in Argentina. 33 00:03:51,622.779 --> 00:03:55,922.779 I applied for this Fulbright grant and got to Mongolia to live with nomadic communities there. 34 00:03:55,922.779 --> 00:03:57,842.779 So what I would say what it did was. 35 00:03:59,697.779 --> 00:04:04,897.779 All the vast landscapes outside, they came inside me. 36 00:04:05,117.779 --> 00:04:09,357.779 They rearranged how I felt inside more space inside. 37 00:04:10,307.779 --> 00:04:25,352.778 And I also realized how this call to be in a kind of wild nature, really, as much as it Sometimes it made me afraid because I wasn't used to it, but I found it very thrilling and calming at the same time. 38 00:04:25,852.778 --> 00:04:26,992.777 So that's what I would say. 39 00:04:26,992.778 --> 00:04:30,652.777 I don't know if you feel that way when you go in nature. 40 00:04:30,652.778 --> 00:04:33,232.7785 I think each of us have our different kind of nature. 41 00:04:33,252.7785 --> 00:04:35,532.7775 Some people are mountains and gardens. 42 00:04:36,552.7785 --> 00:04:45,262.7785 And for me, there was something at that age, at that time of being in like a vast spaces. 43 00:04:45,567.7785 --> 00:04:47,657.7785 And interesting treeless spaces. 44 00:04:47,867.7785 --> 00:04:48,927.7785 That would be interesting. 45 00:04:50,167.7785 --> 00:04:52,17.7785 Vast treeless spaces were. 46 00:04:53,917.7785 --> 00:04:57,817.7785 There were trees like I remember this moment in There were forests. 47 00:04:57,817.7785 --> 00:05:00,967.7785 It wasn't, but there's also so much space and that's how I think of it. 48 00:05:01,347.7785 --> 00:05:04,437.7785 But I will, there was an interesting thing about trees when I was in Mongolia. 49 00:05:04,437.7785 --> 00:05:05,277.7785 I remember once. 50 00:05:05,927.7785 --> 00:05:12,307.7785 We were driving and we suddenly came across on the step of a grove of trees, like suddenly trees, short trees. 51 00:05:12,677.7785 --> 00:05:14,117.7785 And I was like, Oh my goodness, trees. 52 00:05:14,117.7785 --> 00:05:16,777.6785 And I began counting 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 53 00:05:16,857.7785 --> 00:05:17,667.7285 And they were like no. 54 00:05:18,107.7275 --> 00:05:19,407.7285 Don't count. 55 00:05:19,637.7285 --> 00:05:23,37.7285 This is a beautiful, It was like they were saying to me. 56 00:05:23,367.7285 --> 00:05:26,577.7285 The person I was with, don't count your blessings. 57 00:05:26,907.7285 --> 00:05:31,67.7285 There are trees and be grateful for them, but don't count them. 58 00:05:31,67.7285 --> 00:05:33,677.7285 One, two, three, four, five. 59 00:05:33,967.7285 --> 00:05:40,607.7275 And I had gone to Mongolia after living in New Mexico. 60 00:05:41,137.7285 --> 00:05:46,857.7285 And in New Mexico, I had a friend who was a Navajo, who was Diné, a Diné storyteller. 61 00:05:47,517.7285 --> 00:06:00,282.7285 And I don't know if she told me this saying before, This story or after, but she told me the story, this saying that she grew up with, which is the fastest way to lose your sheep is to count them. 62 00:06:02,702.7285 --> 00:06:03,972.7285 That gave me goosebumps. 63 00:06:04,222.7285 --> 00:06:05,62.7275 I love it. 64 00:06:05,72.7285 --> 00:06:10,472.7285 When I connect with people that give me goosebumps because the body tells us so much more than the mind does. 65 00:06:10,802.7275 --> 00:06:12,382.7285 And it shows when. 66 00:06:12,787.7285 --> 00:06:19,447.7285 There's something there to take notice to integrate to feel and to acknowledge. 67 00:06:20,77.7285 --> 00:06:21,177.7285 Thank you for that. 68 00:06:21,957.7275 --> 00:06:22,487.7285 Thank you. 69 00:06:23,487.7285 --> 00:06:27,867.7275 Your work blends writing performance. 70 00:06:28,212.7285 --> 00:06:38,252.7285 And dance and tools for liberation, liberating yourself and others from fear and social norms, social conditioning. 71 00:06:38,762.7285 --> 00:06:59,317.7285 Could you share how your creative expression evolved over time and what inspired you to use your artistry as a means of building and nurturing communities? It all happened very slowly, step by step, following things, smells, how you were talking about the body. 72 00:07:00,127.7285 --> 00:07:06,627.7285 I think the scent coming more into the body, like an animal following this gut, that smell. 73 00:07:06,657.7285 --> 00:07:26,942.729 And I am still to this day, because I have to work or cultivate, nourish my capacity to create and that it's okay to also just be in the world, because how to say I didn't grow up as someone who thought that I was a creative person. 74 00:07:26,952.729 --> 00:07:29,92.728 I was someone who was moved. 75 00:07:29,657.729 --> 00:07:32,497.729 By things that I read and I saw very moved by them. 76 00:07:33,887.729 --> 00:07:40,447.7285 And it was only when I began writing fiction and poetry, but that was in my 20s, that things began to shift. 77 00:07:40,447.7285 --> 00:07:55,157.729 I began to look at my internal world as a new landscape, someplace to explore, someplace mysterious that had things That just haunted me, but in an enchanted kind of way, I would say. 78 00:07:57,407.729 --> 00:07:59,387.729 And it's really been very mysterious, Miranda. 79 00:07:59,397.729 --> 00:08:14,397.729 Like I started writing short stories and fiction and really first I was following rules in the sense of how do you write? How do people say you need to write when you write? What are the rules of writing? Learning, say how to build a house. 80 00:08:14,417.729 --> 00:08:17,657.729 Someone says you do this, you put this down and you put that down. 81 00:08:19,147.729 --> 00:08:21,127.729 But there's also houses you can create. 82 00:08:21,342.729 --> 00:08:26,922.729 by magic or by dreaming it that have interesting shapes and they can still stand. 83 00:08:27,392.729 --> 00:08:39,342.728 So I feel part of my journey has been learning how to do things like people have told me, which has been useful because they know they've done there and been there. 84 00:08:40,102.728 --> 00:08:44,712.728 And then also tapping into unseen places and unseen feelings. 85 00:08:44,712.728 --> 00:08:47,142.728 And I feel I'm more like what has already been there. 86 00:08:47,142.728 --> 00:08:47,622.728 That's if. 87 00:08:48,2.728 --> 00:08:55,992.729 And so as I was doing this, as I, But what began coming up was this idea of colonization. 88 00:08:56,122.729 --> 00:08:59,602.729 I come from India, which was colonized by the British and the Portuguese. 89 00:09:00,132.729 --> 00:09:07,182.728 And every other, for every other European, you might say, came there and took something and was there. 90 00:09:07,522.729 --> 00:09:09,842.729 But certainly the British were there for a hundred years. 91 00:09:10,342.729 --> 00:09:16,42.729 And the Portuguese, parts of India were a Portuguese colony till 1967, like Goa. 92 00:09:16,972.729 --> 00:09:20,842.729 And that's where my last name, Koilo, comes from long, long ago. 93 00:09:20,862.729 --> 00:09:54,872.7275 My father's family, which were Hindu, were, I imagine, forced, because I don't know the story, but I can't convert to Christianity, as many were, and and I feel like what happened more than that in my particular family, I come from a very particular class of Indians Part of the British education policy to manage the chaos of India, it's written down was to create a class of Indians who are Indian in blood and color, but English and intellect and morals. 94 00:09:55,517.7285 --> 00:10:15,247.7265 and values and it was a way it's a common thread of what colonizing forces do is make you like them you know and so what does what I began and so I grew up speaking English as my first language and not only speaking English but going to elocution classes so I spoke it well. 95 00:10:16,377.7275 --> 00:10:23,87.7275 Going, memorizing poetry by heart, going to competitions in our schools, or you stand like this and recite a poem. 96 00:10:23,527.7275 --> 00:10:27,507.7275 All the worlds, a stage, all the men and women with this kind of inflection. 97 00:10:29,477.7275 --> 00:10:35,937.7275 That, when I began doing plays, I really saw who I was. 98 00:10:36,957.7285 --> 00:10:41,177.7285 why I felt the way I felt, how much that had impacted how I saw the world. 99 00:10:41,547.7285 --> 00:10:52,607.7275 And I would say that was the biggest, the first step towards beginning to remove the veils and the, like the matrix, begin being like, Oh, I think I'm better than other Indians because I speak English. 100 00:10:52,607.7275 --> 00:10:53,137.7275 Nevermind. 101 00:10:53,137.7275 --> 00:10:57,297.7275 They speak so many other Indian languages, things like that. 102 00:10:57,937.7275 --> 00:11:02,27.7275 I feel I'm going to make it a point when I go out, like when we move to the U. 103 00:11:02,27.7275 --> 00:11:02,127.7275 S., 104 00:11:02,147.7275 --> 00:11:09,857.7275 not to smell of Indian smells like masala, because apple pie is a great thing to smell, but not masala. 105 00:11:10,397.7275 --> 00:11:17,207.7285 Things like that, being conscious of even my connection as a marginalized person or a person of color. 106 00:11:17,267.7285 --> 00:11:22,227.7285 I came from India where everybody was brown or, shades of brown. 107 00:11:23,82.7285 --> 00:11:23,872.7285 And to come to the U. 108 00:11:23,872.7285 --> 00:11:24,92.7285 S. 109 00:11:24,132.7285 --> 00:11:31,362.7285 as an India, I naturally identified with the dominant culture of a place, not with other people of color. 110 00:11:32,322.7285 --> 00:11:44,412.7275 So when I first came here and people started labeling me a minority and I was eligible for minority things, it was in building solidarity with other people of color, that was its own journey. 111 00:11:44,992.7275 --> 00:11:46,792.7275 So I'm just saying this is how it happened. 112 00:11:46,792.7275 --> 00:11:58,172.726 And and when I started doing dance, like flamenco, especially, it put me more into my body and I began doing workshops where I felt like, once you begin to find your voice, you want to share. 113 00:11:58,232.726 --> 00:11:59,122.726 That was my impulse. 114 00:11:59,122.726 --> 00:11:59,932.726 I want to share. 115 00:12:00,607.726 --> 00:12:03,987.726 I want to see what could be possible, I'm a nomad. 116 00:12:03,987.726 --> 00:12:06,17.726 I'm still working a little bit on community. 117 00:12:06,187.726 --> 00:12:12,457.726 That is like I have an online community, but I'm playing with what root means. 118 00:12:14,447.725 --> 00:12:15,667.725 It's very interesting. 119 00:12:16,487.726 --> 00:12:26,467.726 When you're talking because I am going to talk a little bit about the human design aspect because I'm remembering I looked at your chart and there's things like popping when you speak. 120 00:12:27,197.726 --> 00:12:33,367.725 The first is this channel that you have that is the 4037 that is all about community. 121 00:12:33,497.726 --> 00:12:40,497.826 It's the archetype of the father and the mother coming together and you have both gates and you have the gate 40 in your son. 122 00:12:40,747.826 --> 00:12:44,557.826 So it's a huge element of who you be. 123 00:12:44,557.826 --> 00:13:04,507.826 So I find it very interesting that you were born into that too, with your family, the community aspect, and that you continue to grow and evolve The belief of when you're born into a family that you will never forget anything that you've learned in the past life, that you bring it with you. 124 00:13:04,667.826 --> 00:13:08,857.825 And I find it interesting that you were born in that and it's part of your energy. 125 00:13:08,857.826 --> 00:13:10,847.826 So I wanted to point that out. 126 00:13:10,947.826 --> 00:13:17,527.825 And then also there is a lot of individual individualization within your chart with intuitive knowing. 127 00:13:17,857.825 --> 00:13:29,17.825 And speaking and when you spoke about smell or taste, there are gate activations in your chart that are predominant that actually have to do with smell and taste. 128 00:13:29,27.825 --> 00:13:31,947.8245 You can taste the frequency of something. 129 00:13:31,947.8255 --> 00:13:34,457.8245 You can smell the energy of something. 130 00:13:34,747.8255 --> 00:13:38,157.8255 So I wanted to point those out because I was like, Oh yes. 131 00:13:38,837.8255 --> 00:13:39,747.8255 Whoa. 132 00:13:40,287.8255 --> 00:13:41,377.8255 This is what I wanted to ask you. 133 00:13:41,377.8255 --> 00:13:43,107.8245 It's interesting that you see. 134 00:13:43,547.8255 --> 00:13:46,557.8255 like community where I was born because it's so interesting. 135 00:13:46,557.8255 --> 00:13:53,107.8255 I'm in this place both with knowing that I need to connect with I would call the healed and wise ancestors. 136 00:13:53,107.8255 --> 00:13:56,87.9255 This is the work of Daniel for F O R. 137 00:13:56,707.9245 --> 00:14:01,427.9255 And another healer named Catherine done at the same time. 138 00:14:01,447.9255 --> 00:14:07,862.8255 I feel I've lived through a time where I've been living the unlived lives, some kind of violence. 139 00:14:08,122.9255 --> 00:14:12,702.9255 With ancestors who had violent, who came to violent ends, or lived in a, with a lot of pain. 140 00:14:13,712.9255 --> 00:14:16,882.9255 I'm in this place of being like, yes, I am, I come from that place. 141 00:14:17,422.9255 --> 00:14:19,532.9255 These two, this mother and that father. 142 00:14:19,762.9255 --> 00:14:25,492.9255 And also I do not come from that person and that other person. 143 00:14:26,122.9255 --> 00:14:29,22.925 And I wonder how that lands with you or what you. 144 00:14:29,522.925 --> 00:14:37,292.9265 With your energy and your groundedness the way that you be, you also have the nine 52, which is called the channel of the Buddha. 145 00:14:37,412.9265 --> 00:14:40,802.9265 Basically it is like stillness and focus together. 146 00:14:41,142.9265 --> 00:14:42,522.9265 It is about. 147 00:14:43,292.9265 --> 00:14:59,662.8265 The stillness of within having that it's like a mountain energy that grounded mountain energy with focus plus with the gate 40, which is and this was going to go into the next question because with this energy, it is about retreating to be by yourself. 148 00:15:00,12.9265 --> 00:15:08,452.9265 To have that stillness so that you yourself know what it is, what your next action or inaction is. 149 00:15:08,702.9265 --> 00:15:10,962.9255 So when you ask that's what it feels to me. 150 00:15:10,962.9255 --> 00:15:26,347.9255 It feels like a connection to ancestors listening to their guidance and then moving in that direction when your body tells you to, not when your mind, when you just take the action and the way for you to do that is through nature, through stillness. 151 00:15:26,817.9255 --> 00:15:30,797.924 And when that grounded energy that you have, that is totally what I feel. 152 00:15:30,797.924 --> 00:15:33,187.925 There's this groundedness. 153 00:15:34,242.925 --> 00:15:42,502.924 Which I want to say, I appreciate because a lot of society is stuck in the doing and the rushing. 154 00:15:43,172.925 --> 00:15:44,162.9245 That's what comes up to me. 155 00:15:44,162.9245 --> 00:15:45,422.925 I hope that answered your question. 156 00:15:45,822.924 --> 00:15:47,902.924 Yeah, actually it does because it's interesting. 157 00:15:47,982.925 --> 00:15:52,882.925 The first thing that comes to mind is this book that you might have read called Rest is Resistance. 158 00:15:55,402.925 --> 00:16:00,362.925 Tricia Hersey, I believe and she's an African American artist, educator. 159 00:16:00,362.925 --> 00:16:01,482.924 It's a manifesto. 160 00:16:01,482.924 --> 00:16:12,602.924 It's what you spoke of, this idea that Giving, taking time to rest, in fact, is a form of resistance to this grind culture, as she describes it, that wants us to do. 161 00:16:12,952.924 --> 00:16:32,727.924 And it's a way to reconnect to ancestors and to our next true step, and it's so much easier I feel like I'm, I've been living it for years, as much as I've I was in Spain for two and a half years, living in a city mostly, except for little times out. 162 00:16:32,887.924 --> 00:16:47,77.924 And I really do feel as much as I gained so much from learning there, studying flamenco there, there's a part of me that was really eroded by being in city because it's not, at this point, it's not my true nature anymore. 163 00:16:48,537.924 --> 00:16:56,957.924 And so I'm here right where we're talking in this place, which is like this cabin that's in nature. 164 00:16:57,292.924 --> 00:16:59,422.924 in a nature that I truly love. 165 00:17:01,322.924 --> 00:17:09,972.923 And I've just been like my body is craving stillness, non doing and trees. 166 00:17:11,102.925 --> 00:17:12,342.925 It's craving trees. 167 00:17:13,377.925 --> 00:17:15,697.925 There's trees here, ponderosa trees. 168 00:17:17,57.925 --> 00:17:25,307.925 And this tree that I love, love, called an alligator juniper, that they're very big, they're juniper trees, but they're big juniper trees. 169 00:17:25,307.925 --> 00:17:28,667.925 They have this bark that looked like the skin of an alligator. 170 00:17:28,667.925 --> 00:17:31,687.9255 So these kind of little squares, across like that. 171 00:17:32,507.9255 --> 00:17:39,87.9255 And then they have these, the branches as they come out, they look like movement frozen. 172 00:17:39,97.9255 --> 00:17:41,567.9245 They look like a river has frozen in movement. 173 00:17:41,837.9255 --> 00:17:43,87.9255 It's all twisted. 174 00:17:43,637.9255 --> 00:17:54,207.9255 And it's totally shaped by wind and water and some of the branches are like this, you can see these, you know how when you see see a pebble that's been rounded by a river. 175 00:17:55,167.9255 --> 00:18:00,437.9255 But you can still see the marks of the river on it, it's not fully, it's like that. 176 00:18:00,877.9255 --> 00:18:17,637.9265 Some of the branches of this tree are like sinew, like muscle, frozen in movement or a frozen river or river moving, but in, in wood, so it feels really good to hear you say that and it's where I am. 177 00:18:17,777.9265 --> 00:18:21,387.9265 but it takes some doing every day to be it's okay. 178 00:18:21,937.9265 --> 00:18:29,807.9265 And that's because of society telling us to be successful, you have to rush around and do all the things. 179 00:18:31,712.9265 --> 00:18:38,802.9265 Then at the end, where you're at, when you're finally where you think you want to be, then you get to rest. 180 00:18:38,842.9265 --> 00:18:44,722.9255 However, if you live in that mentality, you are never where you want to be, ever. 181 00:18:45,62.9265 --> 00:18:50,502.9265 So you never rest, you never get to enjoy life, you never get to be guided. 182 00:18:50,872.9265 --> 00:18:58,822.9265 by the stillness of your inner heart or inner knowing because you're externally just looking for that next thing. 183 00:18:59,442.9265 --> 00:19:15,27.9265 So when you rest and recharge, how does it influence your authenticity and your expression with writing and your performances? Mysterious things come up when I rest and things I don't expect. 184 00:19:15,147.9265 --> 00:19:19,957.9265 I think it also really helps to be not connected to electronic things for spells of time. 185 00:19:20,47.9265 --> 00:19:26,957.9265 I think electronicness and money are both useful because we invented them and to use them as tools that we need to connect. 186 00:19:27,437.9265 --> 00:19:30,337.9265 But when they become so big that they they control us. 187 00:19:30,737.9265 --> 00:19:32,527.9265 It throws things out of balance. 188 00:19:32,587.9265 --> 00:19:42,437.9265 When I find, when I'm, when I go still, when I write, it's just amazing what happens. 189 00:19:43,7.9265 --> 00:19:56,597.9275 I feel I'm as much I'm going into my story, I feel I'm going into some universal layer, like a sacred pool or something, that belongs to all of us, that you can go and see. 190 00:19:57,147.9275 --> 00:20:02,107.9275 Take water from and that's your story or your poem or your dance or your offering. 191 00:20:03,677.9275 --> 00:20:08,357.927 More and more I want to dance under trees and do stuff that I find. 192 00:20:08,787.927 --> 00:20:13,437.9265 It takes me to a place that's uniquely mine, but also deeply universal. 193 00:20:13,497.9265 --> 00:20:14,627.9265 I guess that's how I would say. 194 00:20:15,467.9265 --> 00:20:22,87.9265 I think it helps me bring something true back into the world to share because that's an important part. 195 00:20:23,12.9265 --> 00:20:26,712.9265 The connection with others isn't with tech. 196 00:20:27,92.9265 --> 00:20:28,972.9265 That's where we're losing that connection. 197 00:20:29,352.9255 --> 00:20:32,82.9255 We have connection because we're able to talk now. 198 00:20:32,272.9255 --> 00:20:32,792.9245 That's right. 199 00:20:33,172.9255 --> 00:20:35,42.9245 But it's not that. 200 00:20:35,377.9255 --> 00:20:36,457.9255 Physical connection. 201 00:20:36,457.9255 --> 00:20:38,317.9255 There has to be both. 202 00:20:38,607.9255 --> 00:20:46,937.924 We get to learn through tech, but then what's happening is a lot of people are then not doing the physical, the in person that type of connection. 203 00:20:46,937.925 --> 00:20:51,637.925 So it has to be both for us to be grounded into nature, yeah. 204 00:20:51,707.925 --> 00:21:04,687.925 Do you feel like there's times when you feel that you need to compromise your authenticity to meet the expectations of others? And how do you handle those moments? Feel sometimes those moments handle me. 205 00:21:04,688.025 --> 00:21:13,557.924 I will tell you without too many details. 206 00:21:13,557.925 --> 00:21:22,447.925 Right now I am going through something where you I think it's, you might say intergenerational trauma or something, but what's happened is say my body cannot be around a certain person. 207 00:21:22,448.025 --> 00:21:23,805.7143333 My body cannot be. 208 00:21:23,805.7143333 --> 00:21:25,725.7143333 I would talk myself out of it. 209 00:21:26,525.7143333 --> 00:21:29,755.7143333 And I'm not saying this person is a bad person or anything. 210 00:21:29,755.7143333 --> 00:21:33,815.7143333 It's just there's history there and my body right now cannot be around. 211 00:21:34,965.7143333 --> 00:21:36,295.7143333 I just need space. 212 00:21:38,55.7143333 --> 00:21:39,225.7143333 I just need space. 213 00:21:39,875.7143333 --> 00:21:45,325.7138333 Now in the past, I think I would not have listened to just my body. 214 00:21:45,325.7138333 --> 00:21:48,445.7143333 And it's, but now I'm listening and taking space. 215 00:21:49,495.7143333 --> 00:21:56,225.7143333 As a freelance artist for so many years, sometimes you're really comfortable being in the dark with money, with making a living. 216 00:21:56,235.7143333 --> 00:21:57,825.7133333 Other times you're not. 217 00:21:59,175.7143333 --> 00:22:02,795.7133333 And I do feel like the other thing that's really difficult right now. 218 00:22:03,660.7143333 --> 00:22:16,160.7143333 is I'm going through such a time of not believing, or it's like there's a real great fear of the next step in terms of putting an offering that people will value with money. 219 00:22:16,200.7133333 --> 00:22:23,870.7153333 Or maybe I'm also burnt out a little bit from being an independent artist and having to create things from scratch. 220 00:22:23,880.7143333 --> 00:22:42,270.7143333 Maybe my body is craving a kind of consistency in a different way, I'm trying to listen, and not judge consistency to mean I'm getting a real job because that's really, there's a huge chorus right now of people saying, I can hear that. 221 00:22:43,110.7143333 --> 00:22:44,300.7143333 Get a real job. 222 00:22:44,810.7143333 --> 00:22:52,190.7143333 When you get to this certain point of not knowing and a certain point of the coffers are low and you're like, I can hear that. 223 00:22:52,855.7153333 --> 00:23:06,75.7143333 So I'm like, okay, so it's like this real dance of connecting to ancestor, connecting to nature, being true to what my body needs. 224 00:23:06,125.7153333 --> 00:23:19,225.7153333 What does consistency look like for me? So it's a real dance, but I'm saying, I feel right now, I'm really seeing some bedrock beliefs that I've had. 225 00:23:19,675.7153333 --> 00:23:38,35.7143333 And I'm also feeling In a real way, what are these things that we call patriarchy, capitalism, I'm seeing it not as a concept, but it's really showing up as like blood and bone and this kind of scaffolding that can really bring you down. 226 00:23:39,795.7153333 --> 00:23:47,295.7153333 It brings it back to the feeling feeling those words rather than intellectually thinking about what they mean. 227 00:23:47,630.7153333 --> 00:23:52,330.7153333 It's feeling the energy of what that is. 228 00:23:52,830.7153333 --> 00:24:09,230.7133333 Money is always something, especially with creatives and people that don't get that nine to five job, I feel like that nine to five job truly is, it's conformity and it's putting you in a prison of what someone else needs you to do. 229 00:24:09,770.7143333 --> 00:24:12,665.7143333 And for those that are stepping away from it. 230 00:24:12,965.7143333 --> 00:24:23,565.7143333 There is more struggle because there's not consistency, but we're only conditioned to believe there should be consistency in our life. 231 00:24:23,635.7133333 --> 00:24:34,165.7133333 Why should money be consistent when our emotions are not consistent? When the way that we move is not consistent, it's more fluid. 232 00:24:34,165.7133333 --> 00:24:39,435.7123333 So that is based on society fears. 233 00:24:40,115.7133333 --> 00:24:56,185.7123333 And not having enough, but then it's also learning to tune into your body and trusting that when you're authentic, when you're in your self expression, when you're connecting on a deep level with people, that whatever you need will show up for you. 234 00:24:56,215.7123333 --> 00:25:02,275.7133333 And it is to trust it because going a little bit into the gene keys, one aspect in the 40. 235 00:25:03,140.7133333 --> 00:25:04,980.7133333 Eight, which is my conscious son. 236 00:25:05,460.7133333 --> 00:25:15,340.6123333 It, it talks about wealth and how wealth is based on fear that there's not enough, I'm not enough. 237 00:25:15,880.6133333 --> 00:25:22,170.6123333 And that when we tune into our own unique energy and what brings us excitement and deep connection. 238 00:25:22,560.6133333 --> 00:25:30,40.6133333 That we will then be guided and supported in exactly enough that if we always want more, it's based out of fear. 239 00:25:30,300.6133333 --> 00:25:33,990.6123333 But if we trust that we're supported, we will always have enough. 240 00:25:35,370.6133333 --> 00:25:39,780.6133333 I love hearing that and bringing that into my body, I feel is my next. 241 00:25:40,880.6133333 --> 00:25:41,360.6133333 I'm there. 242 00:25:41,380.6143333 --> 00:25:44,880.6143333 I'm in that part where like my, I gotta believe. 243 00:25:44,880.6143333 --> 00:25:46,440.6143333 I don't know, maybe there's another way to say it. 244 00:25:46,470.6143333 --> 00:25:46,920.6143333 I don't know. 245 00:25:46,920.6143333 --> 00:25:47,790.6143333 But I feel like. 246 00:25:49,835.6143333 --> 00:25:51,295.6143333 That's the part right there. 247 00:25:51,345.6143333 --> 00:25:56,5.6143333 Cause I've been through phases where I've believed that's where I'm at. 248 00:25:56,5.6143333 --> 00:26:02,405.6143333 I'm right there, Miranda, I'm right there, which is like how to surrender, how to trust. 249 00:26:02,985.6133333 --> 00:26:04,255.6133333 I it's amazing. 250 00:26:05,135.6143333 --> 00:26:08,985.6143333 if you'd look and see what I've done, you're like, Oh, but she's done these things. 251 00:26:08,985.6143333 --> 00:26:09,745.6143333 And it's true. 252 00:26:10,295.6143333 --> 00:26:17,105.6143333 And yet they come up in their cycles of such vulnerability, I would say. 253 00:26:18,85.6133333 --> 00:26:20,625.6143333 And those cycles of vulnerability are where we grow. 254 00:26:20,905.6143333 --> 00:26:23,35.6133333 I can't remember what. 255 00:26:23,585.6133333 --> 00:26:31,815.6133333 Planet it is in, but you do have the 48 defined in your chart, that goes into what I just talked about with wealth. 256 00:26:31,835.6133333 --> 00:26:32,745.6133333 It's that energy. 257 00:26:33,375.6133333 --> 00:26:39,465.6133333 And it also goes into depth and it goes into believing that you already know enough. 258 00:26:39,480.6133333 --> 00:26:45,70.6133333 That you are already wise enough when people ask you things, you will just know there's no more learning that you have to do. 259 00:26:45,90.6133333 --> 00:26:46,220.6133333 It's just there. 260 00:26:46,710.6133333 --> 00:26:47,950.6128333 You do have that entire channel. 261 00:26:47,950.6128333 --> 00:26:49,80.6133333 So it's connected to your throat. 262 00:26:49,350.6133333 --> 00:26:53,640.6128333 So when someone asks you something, the most beautiful things can come out of your mouth. 263 00:26:54,350.6128334 --> 00:26:58,250.6128334 That you have no idea where it was from and you also don't even know what you just said. 264 00:26:58,500.6128334 --> 00:27:01,200.6128334 It's almost like magic. 265 00:27:01,200.6128334 --> 00:27:03,880.6128334 It's just like your body just knows. 266 00:27:04,40.6128334 --> 00:27:04,390.6128334 Yeah. 267 00:27:04,400.6128334 --> 00:27:10,60.6128334 And then I also want to give you reassurance that the 57 is also connected to your throat. 268 00:27:10,320.6118334 --> 00:27:13,960.6128334 That 57 is very intuitive. 269 00:27:14,240.6128334 --> 00:27:18,210.6128334 However, in the lowest expression, it is fear of the future. 270 00:27:18,540.6128334 --> 00:27:24,10.6128334 So those are energies that are within your cellular level. 271 00:27:24,470.6128334 --> 00:27:25,650.6128334 It's okay to feel them. 272 00:27:25,800.6128334 --> 00:27:29,230.6128334 It's okay to express them because that's part of what you're here to learn. 273 00:27:31,20.6118334 --> 00:27:44,910.6138334 It feels good to say when you just said, I could feel my body shift from a place of fear I felt that in my body, what you just said what that says to me too, is how important to accept those fears. 274 00:27:45,80.6138334 --> 00:27:58,150.6138334 I, you might have read like my whole life change when I invited fear in to have some tea it was like a poem that came, but I honestly feel I'm rediscovering that poem every day in this time. 275 00:27:58,800.6138334 --> 00:28:07,230.6138334 And as much as I've been afraid of the future and afraid of not knowing how it will show up, it feels more. 276 00:28:08,390.6138334 --> 00:28:19,920.6138334 It feels more intense right now, I I don't know why now, just some frequency of intensity, that kind of wants to root out that, root it out, root out. 277 00:28:20,995.6138334 --> 00:28:28,765.6138334 To a bigger evolution? I like to say anytime that fears show up, we know those fears live within us. 278 00:28:29,415.6128334 --> 00:28:31,15.6118334 It means there's a shift happening. 279 00:28:31,15.6128334 --> 00:28:31,945.6128334 There's growth happening. 280 00:28:31,955.6128334 --> 00:28:32,695.6128334 There's evolution. 281 00:28:32,695.6128334 --> 00:28:41,715.6133334 It's actually a gift that they're showing up because it means something is shifting, whether it's a perspective something even externally, something is changing. 282 00:28:41,765.6133334 --> 00:28:45,185.6133334 Grounding into that, accepting it and loving the fact that the fears are showing up. 283 00:28:45,205.6123334 --> 00:28:57,405.6123334 And then asking yourself, what is this showing me? What is this showing me? Am I moving? Am I growing? Am I letting go of things? A lot of people with fears think it's chaos and they want to get back to the normal, but truly it's the opposite. 284 00:28:57,515.6133334 --> 00:28:59,985.6133334 It's embrace it and step into the different. 285 00:29:00,625.6123334 --> 00:29:01,155.6123334 Yes. 286 00:29:01,385.6123334 --> 00:29:01,835.6123334 Yes. 287 00:29:02,65.6133334 --> 00:29:02,355.6133334 Yes. 288 00:29:03,375.6123334 --> 00:29:03,965.6123334 Beautiful. 289 00:29:04,525.6123334 --> 00:29:13,925.6123334 I want to talk about your dance, because you do flamenco and I can't pronounce this, so what is the other one? Oh, I studied, it's called Bharatanatyam. 290 00:29:14,485.6123334 --> 00:29:19,265.6103334 it's an Indian dance, and the ancient word for India is Bharat. 291 00:29:20,215.6113334 --> 00:29:25,95.6113334 And Natya is dance, or actually drama, it's Natya. 292 00:29:25,865.6113334 --> 00:29:32,575.6108334 It's really technically means Indian dance, the dance of Bharat, I am studying both these things very much. 293 00:29:32,575.6108334 --> 00:29:48,65.6118334 I'm an apprentice to them how has studying these dances influenced the ability to convey your emotions? I wrote this article that's called of stones and dance that I that really helped me reflect on this journey of dance. 294 00:29:48,975.6118334 --> 00:29:59,815.6108334 I started Bharatanatyam as many as a child, but not for a long time, I would say, I don't even know how long, maybe I was eight, something like that. 295 00:30:00,170.6108334 --> 00:30:03,150.6108334 eight, nine, at the most. 296 00:30:04,990.6108334 --> 00:30:06,390.6108334 I had no feeling for it. 297 00:30:06,390.6108334 --> 00:30:12,610.6098334 It has a lot of, it's called taal is the beat of it, and it's like ta, ta, ka, tak, things like this. 298 00:30:12,630.6108334 --> 00:30:15,200.6098334 And you, but I had no feeling for it. 299 00:30:15,210.6108334 --> 00:30:24,0.6098334 And then in my thirties that whole year of travel that I discovered salsa, for example, I was in Mexico and something happened. 300 00:30:24,0.6098334 --> 00:30:28,860.6088334 After salsa, I came to New Mexico and I discovered flamenco while I was living in New Mexico. 301 00:30:31,30.6088334 --> 00:30:32,670.6098334 And it began to shift. 302 00:30:33,160.6088334 --> 00:30:36,190.6098334 I think what dance did was one, it brought me onto the stage. 303 00:30:36,190.6098334 --> 00:30:41,120.6098334 The first time I was taking flamenco and we had a student recital, at a community college. 304 00:30:41,120.6098334 --> 00:30:42,660.6098334 And our teacher was really great. 305 00:30:42,820.6098334 --> 00:30:43,350.6098334 Jaro. 306 00:30:44,495.6098334 --> 00:30:51,785.6098334 She had organized us to be part of the colleges, recital and I remember the first time around, I got on stage. 307 00:30:51,825.6098334 --> 00:31:04,435.6098334 I felt that thing that you feel when you're like, Oh, this is something I am scared, but something is alive, and one of the things Dance did, flamenco, was brought me onto the stage. 308 00:31:04,895.6098334 --> 00:31:08,575.6098334 Which was a place I never expected to love or anything. 309 00:31:08,855.6098334 --> 00:31:11,95.6098334 I was always behind the camera. 310 00:31:11,115.6098334 --> 00:31:12,395.6098334 I was terrified. 311 00:31:13,535.6098334 --> 00:31:17,705.6098334 I remember seeing photos of myself online when online was new. 312 00:31:17,715.6098334 --> 00:31:23,95.6098334 So this is in 2003 or something maybe, and I tell people to take it down. 313 00:31:23,615.6088334 --> 00:31:25,485.6098334 I couldn't stand to see myself. 314 00:31:26,740.6098334 --> 00:31:39,800.6098334 I started studying flamenco, which comes, was born from a very mix of cultures in the south of Spain, but one of the main creators of it were gypsies, Gitanos, who actually came many years ago from India. 315 00:31:40,700.6088334 --> 00:31:42,80.6088334 So the roots of the Gitanos. 316 00:31:43,185.6098334 --> 00:31:52,15.6108334 Who are one of the great founders of co founders of flamenco along with the folkloric cultures of Andalusia are in India. 317 00:31:52,15.6108334 --> 00:32:00,395.6113334 So I'm saying there were all these interesting things and that drew me to flamenco that I didn't know at the time, the energy of flamenco like it's the era, the earth. 318 00:32:01,140.6113334 --> 00:32:09,590.6113334 From like you're grounded, but then the hands are aire, you're moving your hands and you're reaching up like to sky. 319 00:32:09,630.6113334 --> 00:32:16,720.6113334 You're really the upper body is just sky, and then how that goes together in rhythm. 320 00:32:17,170.6123334 --> 00:32:22,50.6123334 Each flamenco palo is an emotion, can be an emotion. 321 00:32:22,60.6123334 --> 00:32:24,940.6123334 There's one palo that's alegría, which is happiness. 322 00:32:25,330.6123334 --> 00:32:27,930.6123334 The old, there's solea, which is solitude. 323 00:32:30,240.6123334 --> 00:32:37,940.6113334 So flamenco, especially flamenco, and then the cante, flamenco was born as a song first. 324 00:32:38,820.6103334 --> 00:32:39,310.6103334 Tante. 325 00:32:39,980.6113334 --> 00:32:47,250.6113334 And actually, cantejondo, deep song that expressed all the emotions of human animals. 326 00:32:48,940.6113334 --> 00:32:53,640.6113334 And then the dance came, and then the beat. 327 00:32:54,0.6113334 --> 00:32:57,850.4113334 Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. 328 00:32:58,110.5113334 --> 00:33:08,970.5103334 And then the guitar later on, and all mixed together, I think with flamenco, it really helped my body express itself. 329 00:33:10,730.5113334 --> 00:33:19,490.6113334 And that's why I went to Spain, for two years, and with Parthenadium, there was like, I don't take it as much anymore. 330 00:33:19,490.6113334 --> 00:33:25,440.6113334 Cause like right now, I think what you're saying is true in the sense that it's hard for me to follow choreographies right now. 331 00:33:26,580.6113334 --> 00:33:32,0.6113334 I used to love learning a choreography and Parthenadium after taking it as a child. 332 00:33:33,225.6113334 --> 00:33:51,605.6118334 I started it again while I was doing flamenco, during the pandemic and I was loving it and I do love it, but I don't study with any teachers anymore right now at this moment, because my body is not wanting to follow a learner choreography and even name it. 333 00:33:52,260.6108334 --> 00:34:12,850.6108334 I'm in this kind of scary place where I just want to dance and not name it as anything and honor that what liberated me into my body was flamenco and but at the not you, but I wouldn't call what I do a fusion or a mix or anything I would honor those as origin stories and you would see what you would see. 334 00:34:14,30.6108334 --> 00:34:26,210.6108334 it is interesting because in the beginning, the choreography for you gave you the discipline or the practice of repetition, of mastering something. 335 00:34:26,640.6108334 --> 00:34:44,770.6108334 And now it feels You're more in tune with what you're being guided towards not towards the conformity or whatever it's more towards your inner guidance, which is flow and movement with your authenticity, not being conformed to something else. 336 00:34:44,780.6098334 --> 00:34:50,270.6108334 It's like I get to use these things that I've learned and practiced. 337 00:34:51,245.6108334 --> 00:34:55,235.6108334 And now I get to create from my space. 338 00:34:55,265.6108334 --> 00:34:59,155.6108334 I get to do that where this feels like it's too restrictive. 339 00:34:59,395.6108334 --> 00:35:00,715.6108334 That is too restrictive. 340 00:35:00,715.6108334 --> 00:35:05,245.6098334 When I first started doing solo plays that mixed movement and poetry and dance. 341 00:35:06,445.6108334 --> 00:35:28,865.6118334 I was so like my first play, it's called The Good Manners of Colonized Subjects, which is about everything we're talking about art, fear, colonization, finding liberation through journey, poetry, connection, I was so strict about, okay I'm going to do flamenco here and it has to be flamenco and then I'm going to do a baritonatium thing and like that. 342 00:35:29,5.6118334 --> 00:35:29,995.6118334 And now. 343 00:35:30,685.6118334 --> 00:35:41,755.6118334 It's really hard now I just wanna, there's these mysterious things that are calling me there's this one phrase in a flamenco song, because the flamenco cante doesn't necessarily there's a whole composed song. 344 00:35:42,115.6128334 --> 00:35:46,65.6123334 It's mixed together with this verse from here and that verse from there that goes into the rhythm. 345 00:35:46,985.6123334 --> 00:35:52,455.6123334 And one of the songs I learned, it says, yo no soy de madera, yo no I'm not made of wood. 346 00:35:52,515.6123334 --> 00:35:58,740.6123334 When you hit me, you don't want me to hurt, and that verse is just, it's all I wanna do is sing it. 347 00:35:59,340.6123334 --> 00:35:59,900.6123334 I want to sing it. 348 00:35:59,900.6123334 --> 00:36:01,210.6123334 I want to sing it to trees. 349 00:36:01,550.6123334 --> 00:36:11,510.6123334 There's a rhythm you sing it to and I'm working on that rhythm because you sing it within a certain beat, but I'm working on the beat, which is that repetition that brings you closer to things. 350 00:36:12,60.6123334 --> 00:36:14,470.6113334 But I'm also working outside the beat. 351 00:36:14,520.6113334 --> 00:36:22,175.6118334 I just love singing it I loved how you said the repetition to get closer, but then not within it. 352 00:36:22,265.6118334 --> 00:36:23,745.6118334 That is beautiful. 353 00:36:24,75.6118334 --> 00:36:27,615.6118334 It does resonate with me deeply more through a yoga practice. 354 00:36:27,865.6118334 --> 00:36:37,365.6118334 I did a stronger yoga, which is all about repetition and memorization and getting deeper through the practice of a daily practice. 355 00:36:37,725.6118334 --> 00:36:40,825.6118334 And then I got to the point that it's I want something different. 356 00:36:40,835.6118334 --> 00:36:42,875.6118334 I don't, I can't stay within that. 357 00:36:42,895.6118334 --> 00:36:47,155.6108334 And there was a lot of even I felt guilty about it. 358 00:36:47,155.7108334 --> 00:36:47,415.5118334 Yes. 359 00:36:47,415.6118334 --> 00:36:47,935.6118334 Yes. 360 00:36:48,485.6118334 --> 00:36:50,885.6118334 Because it's this is what I'm supposed to do. 361 00:36:51,205.6118334 --> 00:36:57,85.6118334 But yeah, I feel like I am, it's more, I need to have my creative expression. 362 00:36:57,95.6118334 --> 00:37:01,175.6118334 This has given me the tool of getting close within myself. 363 00:37:01,575.6118334 --> 00:37:04,205.6118334 And now it's about stepping out into that creative expression. 364 00:37:04,335.6118334 --> 00:37:07,595.6118334 And also, I do go back time to reconnect. 365 00:37:07,805.6118334 --> 00:37:13,15.6118334 Yes, it's lovely, because I love, especially like in Alegrías, I love going back to it. 366 00:37:13,625.6118334 --> 00:37:21,495.6128334 And it's also important to remember that we are humans who have danced when we were moved for centuries and centuries. 367 00:37:21,535.6128334 --> 00:37:30,370.4138334 And yes, we have ways to do it, but it's also wonderful to just dance, dance. 368 00:37:30,770.5138334 --> 00:37:32,70.5138334 Dance is dance enough. 369 00:37:33,50.5138334 --> 00:37:33,730.5138334 I agree. 370 00:37:34,50.5138334 --> 00:37:35,700.5138334 I I close my eyes when I dance. 371 00:37:35,730.5128334 --> 00:37:43,320.5128334 I feel the music and I dance with no worry about anyone's expectation, judgments, not even myself. 372 00:37:43,650.5128334 --> 00:37:47,670.5128334 So it's an internal process, even though it's an external movement. 373 00:37:48,440.5128334 --> 00:37:50,460.5118334 So I agree with you on the magic. 374 00:37:50,835.5128334 --> 00:38:10,220.5128334 of dance and it's even dance with shadows and stillness it's all the dance of in between our emotions and our feelings and that's what life is so when it comes back to money and consistency Why would we want that? Hey, tell me more. 375 00:38:10,220.5128334 --> 00:38:36,865.5118334 I want to, hear you talk more about this, about why would we want money to be consistent or because consistency, we have a preconditioned belief that consistency is safe, right? We've created ourselves to believe that within our nervous system but what if we could teach our nervous system that the fluidity and trust. 376 00:38:37,835.5118334 --> 00:38:41,545.5118334 that we get to receive money and support is safe. 377 00:38:41,885.5118334 --> 00:38:45,675.5118334 That is more safe than the confines of consistency. 378 00:38:45,685.5118334 --> 00:38:47,855.5118334 And that's who we are as beings. 379 00:38:48,155.5118334 --> 00:38:55,35.5118334 So we are fluid and movement and want to step out of conformity as beings. 380 00:38:55,435.5118334 --> 00:38:59,535.5118334 Why is it that we're so fearful that we. 381 00:38:59,790.5118334 --> 00:39:21,430.5118334 Have to have money consistent because we're fearful that if we don't have consistent money, that we won't be able to continue our creativity, that we won't be able to be ourselves, but it's learning about the movements between those times that you receive money and that you don't, and knowing that you will always have enough. 382 00:39:23,910.5118334 --> 00:39:24,350.5118334 Yeah. 383 00:39:24,400.5118334 --> 00:39:25,570.5118334 It is a real trust. 384 00:39:26,70.5118334 --> 00:39:27,60.5118334 It's a trust dance. 385 00:39:27,60.5118334 --> 00:39:27,600.5118334 That's a new word. 386 00:39:27,620.5118334 --> 00:39:28,240.5118334 Trust dance. 387 00:39:28,870.5118334 --> 00:39:29,350.5118334 I love it. 388 00:39:29,480.5118334 --> 00:39:31,680.5108334 Anything with dance, I am there for. 389 00:39:31,680.6108334 --> 00:39:41,900.7123334 I'm going to do a dance of trust this is my dance of trust, Do you feel like there's any creative skills that you're holding back from developing or sharing? Song. 390 00:39:42,460.7113334 --> 00:39:49,870.7113334 Not holding back, but I'm developing A lot of my work has been based on self expression through the voice. 391 00:39:50,310.7113334 --> 00:39:52,710.7103334 There was a lot of trauma. 392 00:39:53,185.7113334 --> 00:39:55,765.7113334 In my life through the voice, not being able to speak. 393 00:39:55,785.7113334 --> 00:40:01,675.7113334 That's why I started the podcast was to start bringing my voice out and then bringing other people's voices out. 394 00:40:02,225.7113334 --> 00:40:19,125.7123334 And self expression and bringing yourself out through song, I feel is the next step to dance and movement, bringing out through the voice so that you're heard, or even so that you just express and release all the tension and swallowing down from the throat. 395 00:40:19,990.7123334 --> 00:40:34,520.7108334 Yes, the workshops I've been doing now, the creativity workshops are called your voice is catalyst and you go on a journey to excavate your silence in a creative way and also to then find your voice in a a little poetic monologue. 396 00:40:34,520.7108334 --> 00:40:37,270.7113334 That's doesn't have nothing to do with performing on stage. 397 00:40:37,270.7113334 --> 00:40:40,230.7113334 But I feel once you speak it, it clears the way. 398 00:40:40,980.7113334 --> 00:40:42,720.7113334 So I believe in the voice. 399 00:40:42,770.7113334 --> 00:40:42,790.7113334 Yeah. 400 00:40:43,85.7113334 --> 00:40:46,295.7113334 And also I feel song is like another evolution. 401 00:40:46,305.7113334 --> 00:40:54,895.7123334 That is to say the surrender it takes to sing, in Hindi, the word for come here is Aja, you say like Miranda, Aja, come here, Aja. 402 00:40:55,585.7133334 --> 00:41:01,265.6133334 And in flamenco, when you sing it, there's a lot of UPO, people that are, there's a lot of that. 403 00:41:01,345.7133334 --> 00:41:03,945.7133334 So I've mixed them together in there's a flamenco melody. 404 00:41:03,945.7133334 --> 00:41:04,545.7133334 I'd love to just. 405 00:41:04,775.7133334 --> 00:41:05,855.7133334 Sing a little thing of it. 406 00:41:06,725.7133334 --> 00:41:09,435.7133334 Okay? And it's in the rhythm of this flamenco thing. 407 00:41:09,495.7133334 --> 00:41:10,695.7133334 The rhythm is called a Kanye. 408 00:41:10,695.7133334 --> 00:41:11,505.7133334 It's a flamenco thing. 409 00:41:11,505.7133334 --> 00:41:14,305.7133334 And I go, ah, job. 410 00:41:14,870.7133334 --> 00:41:15,650.7133334 I felt that. 411 00:41:17,300.7133334 --> 00:41:17,510.7133334 Thank you. 412 00:41:17,510.7133334 --> 00:41:22,420.7133334 I'm here I that felt really good. 413 00:41:22,835.7133334 --> 00:41:23,895.7133334 Thank you for that. 414 00:41:23,895.7133334 --> 00:41:27,345.7133334 And I love how you're bringing that out on here. 415 00:41:27,715.7133334 --> 00:41:29,205.7133334 It's like guiding you towards it. 416 00:41:29,265.7133334 --> 00:41:30,895.7128334 This is what your next step is. 417 00:41:30,895.7128334 --> 00:41:35,985.7128334 This is bringing your voice out is what your next step is. 418 00:41:36,820.7128334 --> 00:41:41,880.7128334 It was lovely to been on this journey sharing with you to get to this come here moment. 419 00:41:43,130.7118334 --> 00:41:45,860.7138334 Like a welcome, a welcoming moment, a moment of welcome. 420 00:41:47,60.7138334 --> 00:42:04,125.7148334 I want to ask you about your video, Who the Real Indian? It dives into identity, so could you share about that video that you created going into what was your process, what was the reason, how you expressed it. 421 00:42:04,625.7148334 --> 00:42:10,855.7148334 That video is one of the little monologues or little sections of my play, the good manners of colonized subjects. 422 00:42:10,875.7138334 --> 00:42:29,675.7143334 And so within that context, in the play, it begins with, an ecstatic dance, you might say, about, that's real primordial, and then it goes into a little bit of the history of the British, the colonization of India, in terms of me, where I come from and this thing that I told you about coming from this created class. 423 00:42:29,965.7133334 --> 00:42:36,855.7143334 And then I say, but this happened such a long time ago, India was liberated in 1947. 424 00:42:37,165.7143334 --> 00:42:40,500.7153334 Why does it matter? This long ago, faraway colonization. 425 00:42:40,500.7153334 --> 00:42:42,800.7153334 And then I say, because it still shows up. 426 00:42:42,850.7153334 --> 00:42:50,520.7153334 And then I go into a series of little anecdotes, you might say, that show that the ripple effects of colonization show up. 427 00:42:50,520.7153334 --> 00:42:58,690.7153334 And one of the way that they show up is the sense of authenticity that you feel as an Indian, or I feel as an Indian, or don't feel as an Indian. 428 00:42:59,150.7153334 --> 00:43:05,980.7143334 For a long time, because I left India when I was 12, because I grew up as part of Muslim and Catholic communities. 429 00:43:06,310.7153334 --> 00:43:07,200.7153334 So I wasn't. 430 00:43:07,570.7153334 --> 00:43:13,540.7153334 the majority in India, which is Hindu, and also I didn't speak very well. 431 00:43:13,540.7153334 --> 00:43:18,200.7143334 I didn't speak Hindi well, which is one of the languages of India. 432 00:43:18,820.7153334 --> 00:43:24,440.7148334 So there was this thing of, am I really Indian? And it was, a real deep thing. 433 00:43:24,440.7148334 --> 00:43:24,750.6153334 Yeah. 434 00:43:25,140.7153334 --> 00:43:27,90.7153334 The authenticity, I made a film. 435 00:43:27,390.7153334 --> 00:43:35,60.7153334 My first documentary I made was about a profile of the South Asian community in New York, and it was commissioned by a local PBS station. 436 00:43:35,890.7153334 --> 00:43:39,260.7143334 And even though I produced it, co directed it. 437 00:43:40,670.7143334 --> 00:43:50,0.7143334 I didn't want to do any promotion of it because I think I felt I didn't feel authentically Indian promote a film I had made about South Asians. 438 00:43:52,200.7143334 --> 00:44:06,690.7148334 Then the other part of the video was moving to New Mexico, where there are a lot of Native people who are misnamed as Indian because Christopher Columbus was on his way to India and got wrong and called everyone Indian as a way to say I got there anyway. 439 00:44:06,690.7148334 --> 00:44:16,80.7148334 And So in New Mexico, the name Indian has been used, different marginalized people use what they want, how they were named. 440 00:44:16,240.7148334 --> 00:44:17,180.7143334 So in the U. 441 00:44:17,180.7143334 --> 00:44:17,310.7138334 S. 442 00:44:17,310.7148334 --> 00:44:18,720.7148334 there was an American Indian movement. 443 00:44:18,730.7148334 --> 00:44:23,820.7138334 There are people who use the word Indian, but here there are tribes that have their own names for themselves. 444 00:44:24,310.7148334 --> 00:44:28,800.7148334 They were not Indian, but they were misnamed because Columbus got the way wrong and the name stuck. 445 00:44:30,940.7148334 --> 00:44:41,885.7153334 Then when I went to Spain, it was very interesting because in Spain, the word, in Spanish for Indian is Indios is used for indigenous people, so you couldn't call me that. 446 00:44:42,345.7153334 --> 00:44:52,365.7153334 So a lot of people say Hindu, Hindu, with an H, or sometimes maybe you see it I N D U, I'm like I'm not Hindu. 447 00:44:52,645.7153334 --> 00:45:03,535.7153334 Long ago, part of me was, maybe we all were, but to complicate things even further, the, I think I come from a group of people who invaded India a long time ago. 448 00:45:04,735.7153334 --> 00:45:07,35.7143334 Before they came, they were indigenous Indians. 449 00:45:07,415.7153334 --> 00:45:14,835.7153334 They were indigenous peoples of India who are now, or who are called scheduled tribes. 450 00:45:14,865.7153334 --> 00:45:30,740.7153334 Now, I don't know where the schedule came from, that, that word, but The indigenous people of India are tribes that in India we call scheduled tribes and actually scheduled castes, it used to be called once. 451 00:45:32,160.7143334 --> 00:45:39,720.7153334 So it's very complicated Indian ness and it's connected to colonization and many other things. 452 00:45:39,720.7153334 --> 00:45:48,705.7158334 And that the video, who is the real Indian? It's like a joke, I used to joke with friends who are Native American, like who is really Indian. 453 00:45:50,575.7158334 --> 00:45:54,625.7148334 And you also describe your work as far away as close. 454 00:45:54,895.7158334 --> 00:45:55,485.7158334 Oh, yeah. 455 00:45:56,55.7158334 --> 00:46:05,165.7158334 So can you elaborate on this concept and how your travels and your experiences have transformed your identity and creative expression with this? Sure. 456 00:46:06,145.7158334 --> 00:46:07,815.7158334 That term, I was writing an essay. 457 00:46:07,815.7158334 --> 00:46:11,205.7158334 I was in Mongolia for a year and a half on grant called a Fulbright. 458 00:46:11,315.7158334 --> 00:46:14,635.7158334 And I'm so grateful for it because it allowed me to be there. 459 00:46:14,705.7158334 --> 00:46:16,875.7158334 And I lived with nomadic communities. 460 00:46:17,25.7148334 --> 00:46:20,695.7168334 And I also lived in the city of Ulaanbaatar, learned Mongolian. 461 00:46:21,275.7158334 --> 00:46:26,105.7158334 And I recorded the sounds of everyday life in nomadic communities and made little. 462 00:46:26,450.7158334 --> 00:46:27,430.7158334 Documentaries about it. 463 00:46:28,240.7158334 --> 00:46:40,190.7148334 But where that came from when I was living with the Mongolian family in the city, and the mother of the family didn't speak any English and her daughter did. 464 00:46:40,220.7158334 --> 00:46:58,680.7158334 And so she was like the translator, and through the daughter it's like my Mongolian sister now she would translate her mom and her mom, her mother said to me, I want to say so much to you, but I can, cause I don't speak English and you don't speak Mongolian yet, but over the course of the time in Mongolia, I learned Mongolian and I was able to communicate with that mother. 465 00:46:58,700.7158334 --> 00:46:59,600.7158334 It would sit down. 466 00:47:00,90.7158334 --> 00:47:17,670.7178334 Over tea and talk about things, and then Mongolia had been a dream of mine when I was a kid in India in geography class, and so I wrote this essay later reflecting, that I would never have thought that this faraway place I would find a true organic connection to. 467 00:47:18,75.7178334 --> 00:47:31,205.7178334 And also being in Mongolia, I learned so much about going step by step, what it was like to be on a voyage of discovery, not just when you were traveling, but just in your everyday life, you don't have to know 10 steps ahead. 468 00:47:31,205.7178334 --> 00:47:33,45.7178334 I learned just one step was find. 469 00:47:33,395.7178334 --> 00:47:39,795.7178334 I learned that being on the move you take better care of yourself because you don't have your whole support system. 470 00:47:39,795.7178334 --> 00:47:44,235.7178334 So you're like, I'm gonna find my root where I am right here. 471 00:47:44,235.7178334 --> 00:47:56,165.7188334 I'm going to find my root where I am, things like that, and then I began using it as a metaphor that, that culture that you think is so far out of your understanding is closer than you think. 472 00:47:56,610.7188334 --> 00:48:07,140.7188334 But also your creativity, your imagination, you think it's so far away, but look, it's right here under your skin, close to your heart. 473 00:48:08,290.7188334 --> 00:48:14,520.7178334 And it really became such a hopeful symbol of connection. 474 00:48:14,740.7188334 --> 00:48:19,300.7188334 I feel that someone once said to me, I think this is what your work is about. 475 00:48:19,300.7188334 --> 00:48:29,570.7188334 How as an artist every, you have to go your, what's the core, your artistic statement, because you're writing grants and you're writing things and you're being asked to define yourself and get to the root of who you are. 476 00:48:30,120.7178334 --> 00:48:32,390.7188334 And someone says, I think your work. 477 00:48:34,210.7188334 --> 00:48:37,820.7188334 Is about dissolving the borders, some kind of dissolving borders. 478 00:48:37,820.7188334 --> 00:48:38,420.7188334 I'm like, yes. 479 00:48:39,50.7188334 --> 00:48:41,180.7188334 And then I said, far away is close. 480 00:48:41,280.7188334 --> 00:48:41,770.7188334 Yes. 481 00:48:41,830.7188334 --> 00:48:49,50.7188334 Dissolving the borders that keep us from our connection to land and story and each other. 482 00:48:49,550.7188334 --> 00:49:00,670.7188333 Think that phrase or those words can be taken in and felt by everybody on a deeper level, because we do feel like. 483 00:49:01,240.7188333 --> 00:49:04,660.7188333 Everything is so far away, when we're looking externally. 484 00:49:04,660.7188333 --> 00:49:10,750.7188333 But again, it goes back to that internal knowing and understanding and being present where you're at in that moment. 485 00:49:11,630.7188333 --> 00:49:13,960.7178333 I truly appreciate that. 486 00:49:13,990.7188333 --> 00:49:29,920.7188333 I would love to ask you if there, is anything else that you wanted? To share both from the heart and from who you are as a being as well as what you offer and to invite people in to connect with you. 487 00:49:30,990.7188333 --> 00:49:31,360.7188333 Yeah. 488 00:49:31,890.7188333 --> 00:49:35,380.7188333 Thank you for that, for your words and for that invitation. 489 00:49:35,380.7188333 --> 00:49:36,340.7183333 I really appreciate it. 490 00:49:36,340.7183333 --> 00:49:38,190.7188333 And I want to thank you for what you are doing. 491 00:49:39,90.7188333 --> 00:49:45,800.7188333 It is no small thing to put yourself out there with your voice, inviting people to share theirs. 492 00:49:45,800.7188333 --> 00:49:47,800.7188333 I know what it takes to hold space. 493 00:49:49,150.7188333 --> 00:49:50,300.7188333 People to be seen. 494 00:49:50,490.7188333 --> 00:49:51,710.7188333 I feel that's what you're doing. 495 00:49:52,230.7188333 --> 00:49:53,360.7188333 So thank you so much. 496 00:49:54,360.7188333 --> 00:50:03,180.7188333 I would invite people just to trust their vulnerabilities, as you were saying, as moments of great growth. 497 00:50:03,730.7188333 --> 00:50:06,200.7188333 I would really love to work with you. 498 00:50:07,180.7188333 --> 00:50:27,895.7188333 If you're struggling to write something or dance something, if you think something is beyond your dreams and you just want to put it down on paper or in movement, Because I I love seeing people surprised by this poem or this sentence that roots them and uproots them. 499 00:50:28,495.7188333 --> 00:50:29,35.7183333 I love it. 500 00:50:29,625.7183333 --> 00:50:33,965.7183333 There is some magic about writing and speaking. 501 00:50:35,15.7183333 --> 00:50:42,895.7183333 But something about the alchemy of pen or pencil and paper it's unlocked so many words like a talisman for me. 502 00:50:44,625.7183333 --> 00:50:46,75.7183333 And I'm going to do more. 503 00:50:46,75.7183333 --> 00:50:55,375.7183333 I feel very moved to facilitate experiences, both in person where I am right now in New Mexico, this place called El Morro. 504 00:50:57,340.7183333 --> 00:51:02,640.7183333 But also online because it allows me to reach people, more people from around the world and that is really far away. 505 00:51:02,640.7183333 --> 00:51:02,980.7183333 It's close. 506 00:51:03,980.7183333 --> 00:51:12,480.7173333 I would love to be of service to your liberation in a belt body sense, and I think so many of us are doing that. 507 00:51:12,540.7183333 --> 00:51:15,550.7173333 It's lovely for me when I'm looking for words for my offerings. 508 00:51:15,550.7183333 --> 00:51:21,450.7183333 I'll see so many things other people are also using. 509 00:51:21,450.7183333 --> 00:51:25,90.7183333 I'm saying we're using the same language now because I feel we're going to words. 510 00:51:26,245.7183333 --> 00:51:32,345.7183333 As a group, there's a collective towards very similar things about what matter. 511 00:51:32,435.7183333 --> 00:51:49,675.7183333 We're understanding that stillness matters, movement matters, reflection matters, other ways of seeing these things that we think, I thought, like money, this thing that we live with, like all seeing through the scaffolding, seeing through the, all these things that seem immovable. 512 00:51:50,185.7183333 --> 00:51:53,915.7183333 I will have all of your information in the show notes. 513 00:51:53,925.7183333 --> 00:51:55,785.7183333 So everything that you provided will be there. 514 00:51:55,785.7183333 --> 00:52:00,445.7183333 If you want to connect, reach out, read up you'll have all that information. 515 00:52:00,835.7173333 --> 00:52:06,135.7183333 I'm very grateful that you came to this space and that you were called to connect. 516 00:52:06,195.7173333 --> 00:52:12,645.7173333 I truly feel like each person comes into our life for a reason, whether it's. 517 00:52:14,55.7173333 --> 00:52:31,285.7183333 A word, a phrase, the energy, there's always something that I take away from every connection and I'm grateful that I'm able to do that in this space because I've been able to meet so many beautiful people that I would have never been able to meet. 518 00:52:31,305.7183333 --> 00:52:34,235.7163333 So I get to grow and evolve with every connection as well. 519 00:52:34,585.7163333 --> 00:52:40,185.7173333 I want to thank you for your energy and your brilliance and who you are. 520 00:52:40,630.7173333 --> 00:52:49,290.7173333 And I will definitely be checking out all of the things even deeper, because I feel like there's this, there is something, there's this deep connection there. 521 00:52:49,290.7173333 --> 00:52:53,240.7163333 So I appreciate you and I appreciate everything that you bring to the world. 522 00:52:54,40.7173333 --> 00:52:55,430.7173333 Thank you, Miranda, so much. 523 00:52:55,700.7173333 --> 00:52:56,550.7173333 Thank you so much. 524 00:52:56,860.7173333 --> 00:52:57,370.7173333 You're welcome. 525 00:52:57,850.7173333 --> 00:53:02,240.7173333 And for all of you I hope you have key takeaways, insights. 526 00:53:02,260.7173333 --> 00:53:06,360.7173333 If there's any feelings or things that show up, definitely share. 527 00:53:06,410.7173333 --> 00:53:15,460.7183333 It is through the sharing, through writing, or through voice, or whatever it is that you want to express, it is through that connection that we get to express together. 528 00:53:15,460.7183333 --> 00:53:18,80.7183333 So if there's anything that comes up, please don't hesitate. 529 00:53:18,550.7183333 --> 00:53:21,745.7183333 And as always, I love to Thank you and every one of you. 530 00:53:22,295.7183333 --> 00:53:24,915.7183333 And until next time, and thank you again. 531 00:53:24,915.7183333 --> 00:53:25,405.7183333 Thank you. 532 00:53:26,35.7183333 --> 00:53:26,565.7183333 Thank you, Miranda. 533 00:53:28,180.7183333 --> 00:53:39,60.7173333 My hope is that you walked away with something today that has opened your mind, your heart, or both listening to new perspectives, not 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