113: Theresa Bullard - New Adventures in Physics: From PhD in Neutrinos To Modern Mystery School - The Quantum Biology Collective Podcast

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Meredith Oke (00:38):
Welcome to the Quantum Biology Collective podcast
where we break down the practical applications of
this emerging science, starting with healthy life
habits and going wherever the quantum
superhighway takes us. This is your host,
executive and life coach Meredith Oak with a
quick reminder that podcasts are conversations,

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not consultations. But if you're looking for one
of those, do check out our free practitioner
directory@quantumbiologycollective.org we are
going on a fun ride today people. It is going to
be good. I have Dr. Teresa Bullard, Ph.D. theresa

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is a Ph.D. physicist. Her degree is from the
University of Washington in Seattle. She has over
12 years experience in experimental research
including neutrino physics, atomic physics,
quantum physics, crystal chemistry,
nanotechnology, origin of life studies and more.

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However, she is also the author of a book called
the Game Social alchemists of the 21st century
century and a highly sought after speaker on
personal development and spiritual development
through a quantum lens. So I have been following

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Teresa's work for many years. I have found her to
be a very clear communicator who really
understands her subject very thoroughly from an
academic perspective, but is one of those rare
scientists who left the academic world, left
standard physics to follow her heart and study

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all of the implications of science and from a
more spiritual and esoteric perspective. She has
a TV show on the Gaia Network called Mystery
Teachings which I really recommend. She does a
great quantum physics breakdown in those episodes
and she also has a business with her husband

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called the Quantum Learning Academy which she
talks about in this episode. And she speaks all
over the world and runs workshops and does all
kinds of really cool stuff and agreed to come on
this podcast and chat with me. So I got to have a
fan moment. You know when you've been watching
someone for a long time and then all of a sudden
you're talking to them and we had a really

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interesting conversation. We talked about the
esoteric impact of neutrinos. We will explain
what those are as well as the practical
application of concepts like alchemy and how they
are relevant to the present day metamorphosis
that we're all going through personally and

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collectively as a culture. So enjoy. I don't know
what else to say. This is a really fun
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Bullard. Dr. Theresa Bullard, welcome to the

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Quantum Biology Collective podcast. I am deeply
delighted to be talking with you today. Thank you
for making the time.

Theresa Bullard (04:38):
Thank you, Meredith, for the invitation.

So, as we were just chatting about, I first came
across your work many years ago and was felt very
deeply connected because I had come to the idea
of quantum physics many times in my life, but it
was always through what we lovingly call the woo
people. And they would refer to quantum physics

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as, you know, the scientific proof for whatever
esoteric philosophy they were talking about. And
it felt true, but I never really felt like their
description of why and how was really going all
the way. They would make some vague references

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to, you know, an experiment here and there and
then keep and then move on. But what I found your
work and as a classically trained physicist with
a PhD, you were the first person I encountered
who was able to explain classical physics and
classical quantum physics from, from the academic

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field in a way that A, made sense and B, still
connected it back to our beloved esoteric
philosophies. So could you explain how you tell
people what you tell people? Quantum physics is

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for those of us who are not physicists.

Okay, thank you. So quantum physics, I would say,
is the physics that governs the most fundamental,
the most basic building blocks of our universe.
Right. If we go down to the innermost core of
everything, every atom, every particle, you go

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down to the innermost core of everything that
makes up this universe. It is going to be built
based on quantum physics and the ways in which
quantum physics tell us that these particles are
allowed to interact and behave and how they're
not allowed to behave. And from there the physics
kind of expands. And the more you add in lots and

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lots of particles to build up more complex atoms
and then chemistry and so forth, they have to
start statistically averaging out and that's when
we then get more of a Newtonian classical type
interaction. And we work with the classical
physics laws, but at the most core essence, we
are quantum. And I, I think that that what it

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ultimately is telling us is that we need to look
beyond just the physical. You know, for so long,
science was so focused on what is the smallest
particle, what are, what are the smallest
building blocks. Um, and the more they continued
to search deeper and deeper and have a higher
energy experiments to be able to probe more

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deeply into matter, the more they found that it's
actually not about the particles, it's about the
fields. It's about the energy and that there's
infinite possibilities of what could be drawn
forth from the. The quantum sea of potential. And
it's like, in some ways, the more they just ramp

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up their particle accelerator energies, the more
they get new particles coming out of this quantum
field. And so it's like, it's about the energy,
it's about the field, it's about the
interconnectivity and this infinite possibility
that it presents us with when we can learn how to
tap into it, when we learn how to probe it and

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also communicate with it. So I say, ultimately,
we are quantum beings. The universe is quantum
everything from the smallest particles all the
way to intergalactic structures. Quantum physics
is actually playing a really important role in
how we and the universe function.

Thank you. That was beautifully simple, and it's
so true. I remember in middle school learning the
small what the smallest particle was. And then in
high school, they're like, oh, no, no, no. It's
different now. And then in college, not that I
took science, but I would, you know, you hear
things like, oh, no, no. Now it's. Now it's a
cork. Now it's over.

Right.

And I remember thinking, is this ever going to
stop? So the way that you describe physics, it is
so clear that we are quantum beings. However, on
my journey, I came into this, you know, through

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personal health and wanting to heal myself. And I
discovered that there was. It was actually
considered completely untrue that there were
quantum effects in biological systems according
to classical biology. So could you. And there's
been some great academic work done in the last 15

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years to show that actually that was an incorrect
conclusion. What are your thoughts on that? I
mean, obviously, the way you describe it, it's.
There's no question.

Yeah. You know, it's. It's really interesting
because science, you know, for hundreds of years,
science is being driven by a very Newtonian
model, right. All the way back to Isaac Newton.
And it became, you know, reduced to four
different principles. There was that everything
can be reduced to its parts. Reductionism.

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Everything is deterministic. Right. That we can
predetermine and know. If we know the formulas,
then we can know everything about a system and
how it will unfold, that things are separate and
isolated. So if we just, you know, break down a
whole into its separate components and understand

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how those components work, then we understand,
you know, the whole. And what I do in my
laboratory here doesn't affect anything else. You
know, so it's this sort of isolation model, and
then that things are materially real. And the
ultimately, it made the value system based on

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what's physical and what's knowable and what we
can rationalize our way through. And because of
this, and there's a certain scientific dogma that
started to set in to most the scientific fields.
And that dogma became its own mindset that

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started to limit the scientist perception and
willingness to even entertain certain ideas. So
scientism kind of became its own form of
religion, if you will. And so, you know, with one
of those ideas, for example, is that quantum

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physics only applies to very fundamental
particles. And it only applies as you get to that
super, super small scale. And that as soon as you
start getting into larger numbers, they call them
ensembles. When you get to these ensembles or
larger numbers of particles interacting together,

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Any quantum effects get averaged out. So once you
move into the chemistry realm, Quantum physics
isn't supposed to have any effect. And especially
when you get into the biology realm, it shouldn't
have any effect. But now we' starting to see more
and more experiments being done that are showing
entanglement phenomenon, for example, where this

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is a quantum phenomenon where two particles that
at some point interact and then are separated,
that they remain connected even when they're
separated by, you know, light years, for example,
and they have this instantaneous connection
between them. Well, now we're starting to see
larger and larger systems, Even all the way up to

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biology, have entanglement phenomenon As a result
of certain coherence. What's most important when
it comes to quantum application Is that things
are in a coherent state. They're somehow
synchronized together. But even at a biological

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level, that can happen. And we're starting to see
that, for example, in some of the microtubules
that work within various neurons and the nervous
system itself, we're finding it in higher and
higher levels of molecules also being entangled
together. And so this coherence is really key,

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though. So just because. And so science generally
has believed that you can't get that level of
coherence Unless you're, like, at near absolute
zero temperatures, which biology can't function
at. But. But now they're finding that that's not
entirely the case. There are other ways to get

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this sort of coherence within the biological
level. So I personally believe, though, that the
thing that science is leaving out and maybe
starting to open up to exploring Is the
consciousness factor. And that, you know, so
like, I remember when I was in grad school, I

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actually asked. I was at the University of
Washington. I was really starting to get more
educated on my own around things like biophotons
and the potential of biophysics and quantum and
the possible correlates of consciousness. And I
actually asked my professors at one point, you

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know, could I do my dissertation research in
consciousness and how quantum physics, you know,
interacts maybe, you know, in the brain or
something along those lines. And I literally was
told, please do not embarrass this organization
with such soft pseudoscience kind of stuff. So,

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you know, so they really were not open to it at
that time. And that, you know, that was back in
the early 2000s. And so, you know, but by now I
think that there's much more openness starting to
come back into the field. With younger
generations moving forward and becoming
professors, there's more openness, but there's

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still like this. We're in this transition still
between this old paradigm, materialistic way of
viewing everything to the shifting into a new
paradigm where we are starting to look at the
consciousness factor and more interdisciplinary.
Like, I also wanted to do interdisciplinary
research at the time, and it was very hard to

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find, and it wasn't well funded either. And so
you had all this separation between the various
branches of science, and they didn't even speak
the same language. Like, I shifted at some point
from doing neutrino physics research to doing
crystal chemistry and material science, and I
literally had to learn a whole new language and

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way of thinking to understand how do we approach
this research. So even you would think that
physics and chemistry are next of kin in the
scientific way of approaching things, but they
are very different in their. In their mindset, in
their approach, in their culture, and even in
their terminology. You know, it's. They speak.

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The academic world kind of creates silos within
itself because of all of its nomenclature. And,
you know, they like to. You got to be an expert
to know what to.

So even if you wanted to cross reference, it's
very difficult because everyone's using different
terminology, different formulas, different
everything.

Yeah, yeah, the nomenclature, you know, I mean,
like in chemistry, for example, there's a lot of
Latin that's being used in the naming of various
chemical processes and molecules and so forth.
Whereas in physics it's, you know, you don't
really get that, but then you get, you know, a
lot of acronyms in physics and, you know, so

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it's. You have to, like, you have to really be
determined when you're trained in one way of
thinking. So, for example, also a physicist, as a
physicist, I was trained to do everything from
first principles that you. You need to understand
the math. You got to work it all out, drive it
first and, and dot every I and cross every T
before you go to the experiment. Whereas in

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chemistry it was like the opposite. They're like,
throw, throw the chemicals together, see what
comes out, and then try and figure it out. You
know, it's a completely different mindset. So, so
it me a real, like quite a period of years to
adjust from, from one way to the other. But I
ultimately made my own interdisciplinary way of

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working through the scientific field.

That's amazing. And you know, I think that's
probably the way forward. I took the name Quantum
biology from a book called the Coming Age of
Quantum Biology. And I'm going to be honest, I
don't remember the details of the science in that
book. But what I do remember very clearly is in
the foreword, the two authors, one was a

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biologist and one was a physicist. And the way
they talked about daring to work together, it was
like they were having an affair on their, on
their fields or something. They met and they were
like, what if we could help each other solve
problem? Like, I don't know, will we get kicked

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out? Will we get divorced? Yeah, but, you know, I
think obviously it worked out and they made some
incredible breakthroughs. But I just, I didn't,
as an outsider to science, I didn't understand
until I read that just how difficult it is for
you all to work together.

Well, I think, yeah. So I've kind of explained
part of it and I think another part of it in the
scientific field is there's a looming. There's
sort of this fear, if you will, of losing
credibility. And if you start venturing off into
alternative subjects, you, you risk losing your

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credibility. And they kind of hold that over
people. Like, don't, don't go in that direction
because you'll lose your credibility. It's soft
science or whatever it is, or you won't get
funding because you. So funding also drives
scientific research. And what various funding
agencies are willing to support is based on what
they. Some kind of agenda or some kind of thing

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that they really want to know, whether it's for
technological purposes or some basic science or
there's defense money. So there's certain agendas
that you have to kind of figure out how to write
your grant in a way that fulfills what they're
wanting to fund and it drives science. And I
think a lot of people don't understand,

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understand that, you know, because sometimes you
get the skeptics to say, well, you know, if
consciousness has some quantum correlates,
where's the proof and why Is it. Why isn't there
any research or more research on it? And it's
like, well, there is research on it, but there's,
there's several things. One is funding it can't
get funded. Usually. 2 is even if they self fund

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and they do the research and then they try to
publish, they get rejected just purely without
even having read it or, or verified it. It just
gets rejected because it's not the acceptable
kind of topic. And, and then there, you know,
then there's the risk of credibility and tenure
if you're, you know, professor. So there's all
these kinds of complications that come in with

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the, this, the academic model in science. But I
do, I have seen there's more willingness, there's
more courage now coming from people who are in
those tenured positions. Because it used to be a
physicist, even if they believed in consciousness
and that consciousness was prim their entire

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career, they wouldn't say anything about it to
their colleagues. And it wasn't until they
retired that they would finally come out of the
closet that they believed in something spiritual.
And now we're seeing more and more who are, who
are in physics professorships and tenured
positions where they are starting to come out and
just be like, this is what I believe. And they're
willing to argue it out. And, you know, so there

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has been a shift in the last 10, 15 years, I
would say, and that's really refreshing to see,
although it wasn't when I was in grad school, so.

Right. And led, led to your leaving the
profession and going out on your own.

Yeah, yeah. I decided I needed to follow my heart
rather than just following the, the standard
system.

Yes. I'd love to explore that a little bit. But
first I did want to talk for a minute about
neutrinos on this podcast. We talk a lot about
light and how biophotons interact with biology
and how beautiful and amazing that is and good

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for our health and all those things. But tell us
about neutrinos and what those are.

Yeah, so neutrinos are, they were discovered by,
I think it was Pauli. He, he was one of the
founding fathers of quantum physics. And as he
was looking at different interactions based on
what they were discovering at the time as the
laws of physics, he was seeing that there, he,

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there would be certain known particles coming in
to an interaction and then they would, you know,
go, go out. You know, like maybe it was a, just a
scattering event or maybe there was an actual
exchange depending on the energy. But he also saw
as he was working out the equations that there
were missing. There was something missing. And it
seemed to be carrying away angular momentum and a

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certain amount of energy, but it had no charge
and it had no mass. So it wasn't interacting via
electromagnetism, and it was not interacting with
mass. So gravitational effects that you wouldn't
be able to look out into the cosmos and measure
its gravitational effects, for example. And so

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they called it very weakly interacting. And it
wasn't working via the strong force, which is
more the nuclear, what holds a nucleus together.
And so he called it the little neutral one, the
neutrino. So there's a particle that has no
charge, no mass. It's not one of the quarks that

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work via the strong force and create protons and
neutrons. It's not an electron. It's not a
photon. It's, you know, it's none of these other
particles that they knew at the time, but it is
abundant in the universe, and it's produced
inside of fusion, nuclear fusion. So in the stars
and in supernova and, you know, jets out of

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galactic cores, like the black holes, when they
have these sort of jets of plasma particles
coming out, neutrinos. So, like, for example, if
there's a supernova somewhere out in the
universe, the neutrinos will hit Earth first. If
it's, if we're in the line of that, the neutrinos
will hit Earth first before the photons do,

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because they don't interact with
electromagnetism. So they don't get slowed down,
whereas the photons get a bit slowed down in
their interactions with various electrons and
other things. So neutrinos are this really
elusive particle, but that is created by the sun.
It's created by, you know, supernova and so
forth. And we're bombarded. You know, we, we have

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neutrinos flowing through us like thousands,
millions, you know, and, and, and they, they
interact, but only through the weak force, which
is one of the four quantum physics forces. And so
it can interact with us, but it's very weakly
interacting. And so one of this is one of the

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things that I was involved in researching in my
PhD studies was in order to even detect a
neutrino, for example, we had this experiment
that I was a part of called the Sudbury Neutrino
Observatory. And we had to go a mile underground
and a mile through the drift of a mine, and so a

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mile through these tunnels, and then there was
this big container, almost like a reservoir, but
it was round, it was spherical, and inside that,
they had heavy water. So they had a thousand tons
of heavy water inside this big container, and it
was ultra pure, right? And then they had all

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these photo multiplier tubes around it. So that
basically when a neutrino came in and it hit the
heavy water, it would interact more so than with
regular water because there's an extra, you know,
it's a deuterium, extra neutrons in there. And it
would kick out a neutron from the, from the heavy

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water. And then that neutron was what they called
the neutral signal. And then we had to detect
that with other form of detection, but it would
also create these Cherenkov rings. So anyway, so
this is how we were measuring whether one, if
there's multiple types of neutrinos, which there
were, there's three different types of neutrinos.

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And just like there's three different types of
what they call leptons, like electrons are one
form of lepton, there's also muons and taunts,
and these are part of the standard model of
quantum physics. And then there's a neutrino that
matches each of those families. And then they
were also trying to detect whether it had mass or

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not, whether it had a minuscule amount of mass or
no mass, and whether they could oscillate. They
did find that an electron neutrino can oscillate
to a muon and a taun. And it's not until it's
measured that we actually collapse the waveform,
if you will, to see which type it is. So there
was a lot of fascinating, fascinating things

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about it.

In the, the academic model or the classic physics
model that you were working in, was there a
hypothesis or a theory as to whether neutrinos
serve some sort of purpose? And then I'd be
curious if you have your own esoteric thoughts on
them.

So in the classical, or in the standard, I should
say, standard physics model, the purpose is
they're carriers of energy, right? That, that
they just help carry away certain energy from
different reactions that happen or interactions
that happen at a, at a nuclear level. Not nuclear
physics necessarily, like in the sense of fusion

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or fission. It's not about fission so much. It's
about fusion, but they carry energy. But I would
also say if they carry energy, they carry
information, right? Because information is a. In
quantum physics, the more you look at it, the
more you, you start to realize that even more
fundamental than energy, you know, because like

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Einstein's whole thing was that everything is
energy, right? Mass and energy are equivalent,
essentially. But in a quantum physics model, it's
Actually, everything is information. And
information. Then from information emerges things
like mass or energy or charge and so forth. So
the more fundamental building block of the

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universe is information. And so then if we were
to shift to an esoteric kind of perspective, a
more spiritual perspective, there's. I'm still
kind of personally trying to wrap my head around
it, but there are some, both scientists and

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metaphysicians that I have met who believe that
neutrinos are something that are attracted to our
consciousness and that they. They carry
information and that we can draw. Like, if you're
meditating, you're coming into a more and more
coherent state of being that you can draw more

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neutrinos to you. And. And then there's another
particle that are theorizing called. That's even
smaller than a neutrino called the ignaton. Ignis
like. Like being the Latin word for fire. And
they, they think it's like the secret fire. And
that this also comes, like, from the sun and. And
so forth. And so they believe. And. And this is

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something that is being presented even on Gaia
now. They're. They had a little bit of it in
their ancient civilizations. The most recent
season six, and in some of the later episodes,
the last couple episodes, they. They talked a bit
about it. And it's. So the, the idea is that the

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more coherent our consciousness becomes, the more
we can attract both neutrinos and ignatons to us.
And this then starts to amplify what we call the
light body. And it. And it. You know, eventually
there's certain ancient spiritual teachings that
talk about, like, the rainbow body, the light
body, the ascension body. And through various

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spiritual practices, it's like you're
accumulating these extra particles, your field,
or maybe it's not really about the particles so
much. I think they stream through us, but the
information becomes more and more part of us. So.
So this is. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Okay.

I'm going to take a second to process all that.
Wow, that's really cool. And it's. Yeah. What's
really, you know, it's just all resonating so
much. So, as I said before, we talk a lot about
biophotons and this sort of, you know, standard

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scientific consensus is becoming that circadian
rhythms are extremely important to overall health
in every capacity. And every time a new paper
comes out, it's like, oh, my goodness, artificial
light at night leads to all these terrible
things. And oh, my goodness, sunlight exposure is
so much more important than we ever thought. And

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so there's that, you know, and I have lots of,
like, somewhat mainstream doctors who. Who come
on and talk about the importance of sunlight to
health. And then you have the people who, you
know, who are more in our crew, who have, like,
this subatomic understanding. They're like, well,
because light is information and it's coding into
our. Those biophotons are our information that

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our body needs to function. And so now we're
going even beyond. Because it always seems to
come back to being. Being outside and having. Not
in like a necessarily sunbathing way, although
that's great too. But being connected to natural
light as a. As a source of health and coherence.

I think it would be nature in general. I mean,
all four elements. Right. So having. Having the.
I mean, even just being around running water,
Right. We know that running water creates a bit
of an ionic field around it and. And that can
charge up our own field as well. Being earthed.

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Right. Grounding and like, walking barefooted on
the earth, breathing in, obviously, clean air.
Right. And having that air that's circulating
versus air that's stagnant. And yes, of course,
the sun and receiving the light, that stimulation
of the, you know, pineal and pituitary and so
forth that really rely on the light and vitamin

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D, you know, all of it. We know that all of these
elements, you know, ancient wisdom teachings, you
always talked about the four elements and how we
need them to be in balance in our life and that
we needed to be connected with all four of them
to have health. And, you know, so we might have.
Might today, in our scientific way of thinking

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about things, say, well, the four elements, you
know, they're not really the four elements.
They're not the most basic. Right. We know more
about them now, but it's still like, from a human
perspective and from our experience, it's still
very much a fundamental need. You know, we need
these to thrive. And so I wouldn't discount the

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importance of the four elements in our lives and
having them in a natural way.

Yes, absolutely. The grounding is important. And
the trees are giving off information and
reflecting light. Yeah, there's all of the pieces
of it, for sure, because we were talking about
the neutrinos and all of these, you know, all of
this information that's coming down. Okay, so. So

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we've talked a lot. You've talked a lot about the
word coherence and in the, you know, the
neutrino, the metaphysical idea of neutrinos. So
they're coming. They're coming through us at all
Times they have information. Are you saying that
we are more or less available to that information

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depending on our own personal coherence? And what
do you mean by that word?

Okay, so let's start with what do we mean by
coherence, first of all? So coherence means that
things are aligned. Think of a laser, right.
Versus thinking of an incandescent light bulb,
right? So in an incandescent light, you just have
light sort of scattering, and it's a broad

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spectrum of frequencies that come out from that
particular light bulb. But when you have an LED
light or a laser light, it's a specific
frequency. So everything is tuned to one
frequency. Everything is the. Their waveforms are
perfectly aligned with each other. So they're in

(35:57):
phase with each other and they're all moving in
the same direction. So rather than being
scattered in multiple directions, they're all
moving in a laser like fashion, all in one
direction. So coherence is about really like
having that laser focus. Now, from a, from a
quantum perspective, for example, we know that if

(36:20):
I, in order to like excite an electron from one
orbit to another orbit, it takes a very specific
amount of energy. So photon would need to come
in, or, you know, whichever. So we'll just say
with the photon, a photon needs to come in and it
has to have a very specific energy. And then it
can excite that electron up to a higher orbital

(36:42):
state, higher frequency state, if you will. And,
and then when that electron ultimately de.
Excites and comes back to its ground state, it
will release a photon of the exact same
frequency. And if you bring in any other
frequency of light, it's not going to, it's like

(37:03):
it won't be enough if it's too low. And if it's
too much, it might, it might actually kick it
out, right? So like X rays, for example, when we
get an X ray, we want to minimize our exposure to
X rays because X rays actually kick out electrons
out of the, out of their atoms completely. And
that's how we then, you know, do the imaging. So,

(37:24):
and you know, and then we have gamma rays come in
from galactic sources. We have UV light, right?
These are all different frequencies of photons
and light. So coherence is really important. And
in quantum physics, as I mentioned, if you have,

(37:44):
for example, there's something called a Bose
Einstein condensate, which is where you have a
lot of particles or a lot of atoms come together,
but then they're cooled down to a lower energy
state. But in this process they end up getting
kind of rearranging themselves and connecting
together in a way that they almost become like

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one particle and they behave as one unit. The
more they align themselves, the more it's
becoming this new state of matter that they call
the Bose, Einstein condensate. This coherence. In
order to have quantum effects at a macroscopic
level, you have to have more and more coherence

(38:27):
of the various parts, the various pieces coming
together and acting as one. So, so this is super
important. I mean, every, in every way that you
look at quantum physics, coherence plays a role.
Now when we talk about it at a biological level,
we can talk about having coherence of our brain

(38:47):
waves, right? You can synchronize the, the
hemispheres. You can have like more of a,
everything kind of coming into a particular
frequency range. And we know from neuroscience
now that different frequency ranges of brain
waves will relate to different states of
consciousness. Not that the brain necessarily

(39:09):
creates the state of consciousness, but it
correlates with. And we can also talk about heart
coherence, right? So your heartbeat and you have
variability in that, that heart rate. And when
there's more coherence and it's consistent and
not so erratic, then you're going to be in a more

(39:31):
healing oriented state within your body. Usually
that comes from being in gratitude, being in a
place of appreciation, a place of joy and so
forth. And so this creates a more holistic state.
You can take this idea of coherence to your gut,
right? When your microbiome is coherent, like
you're, you're, they're all synergistically

(39:54):
working together because you have a healthy gut
microbiome versus an unhealthy, you know,
imbalance of bad bacteria. That's where you get
disease and issues, digestive issues which then
lead to, you know, other diseases. So coherence
can, you know, is something we can talk about at
every, every scale, every level of our being. And

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the more we're coherent, the more we are going to
be healthy, we're going to thrive, but we're also
going to be able to inform the quantum field, if
you will. So I believe that consciousness as we
can bring our consciousness to a state of
coherence, meaning quiet down that monkey mind

(40:38):
instead of having all this distraction and
frantic energy and whatnot that we tend to be
exposed to in our modern, you know, world, and
especially in the urban sort of living, you're,
you get a lot of exposure to static. And in that
static, it's like you can't really have a clear

(40:59):
information that you're putting into the Quantum
field. Right. Because it's going to have a lot of
conflict and noise and all of that. Whereas if we
really want to make a difference in that quantum
realm, we have to have coherence going in. And so
you have to kind of bring yourself to that
stillness and silence within, but then also
single pointed focus of what are you trying to

(41:22):
inform and plant into the quantum field that
you're then hoping it will give you back. So
there is a way to communicate, I believe, using
consciousness. And that's really what we do in.
In the work that we're doing with the Quantum
Learning Academy is very much about training
people how to understand what is a quantum

(41:43):
mindset. Mindset. But then how to access what we
call a quantum coherent state of being at
multiple levels and making sure that we're first
accessing that proper state so that we can really
then communicate with that quantum realm and then
use it ultimately to support our innovation, to

(42:06):
support our manifestation, to create the kind of
life we really want to be living.

That's beautiful. A beautiful explanation. And do
you find that this coherence is affected by being
around in groups.

Yeah.

Other people on the same path, or in certain
cases, not depending, you know, on being on the
subway versus, you know, being in a. In the
meeting where everyone's focused on the same
thing.

Yeah. Yeah. So there's this concept in science of
entrainment. And it really. You can apply this
concept of entrainment to any vibrating system.
And pretty much everything is a vibrating system.
Everything vibrates. So, you know, when it comes
to people, when you get a group of people

(43:02):
together, they can entrain, but who are they
going to entrain to? Right. Are they going to
entrain to the person who's holding the high
vibes or the person who's holding the low vibes?
Right. And there's. There is some choice in that.
But just to kind of keep it simple, if you
imagine you have two tuning forks, if you strike

(43:23):
a tuning fork and that tuning fork vibrates then
at a. At a particular frequency, if you bring it
within proximity of another tuning fork that's
not yet vibrating, but has the capacity, has the
same ability to vibrate at that same frequency.
And if you just hold them near each other, at
some point, this other tuning fork will start to

(43:44):
vibrate with it. It'll entrain. And so I think
entrainment really takes effect when you're
physically exposed to vibrational frequencies.
And this is where like even the whole concept of
binaural beat brainwave entrainment, you know, is
when you wear the headphones and you have one

(44:04):
frequency coming in one ear and another frequency
coming in another ear, and maybe they're a little
bit different. Right brain hears one, left brain
hears a different. And they're trying to kind of
find agreement into what they're hearing. It's a
way to kind of trick the brain into synchronizing
the. The hemispheres, because over the corpus
callosum, they have to combine the signals. And

(44:26):
actually inside the brain, you get a third
signal, which is the difference between them. And
they call that the binaural beat. And then you
can kind of tune that beat frequency in to the
specific brainwave levels that you want to
entrain the brain to. So that's one way to do it
with sound. But, you know, and like, a lot of the

(44:46):
sound baths are really popular these days. And,
you know, when people are in a sound bath, you
know that they're using the gongs and the bowls
and the, you know, the chimes and whatnot as a
way to. To create a vibratory. A harmonic
vibratory environment around you, which then will

(45:06):
impact the cells of your body, it'll impact the
ears and nervous system. Everything will receive
that vibration and be entrained into it. Because
we are. We are multivibrational. We have the
capacity to vibrate at many different levels
based on, you know, which level of your being
you're looking at. And so when a group of people

(45:29):
get together, who people tend to entrain to, I
think often really depends on who's got the
strongest will. And they're, you know, kind of
the. They're either the big personality, you
know, or the one that everyone kind of finds some

(45:50):
sense of rapport to. Or, you know, you might have
two different people who have. Who are a strong
resonator. And then from there, somebody. It's
like, what are they choosing to engage in? Are
they choosing to engage in the positive? Are they
choosing to engage in the negative and the drama,
for example? And then they'll kind of gravitate
towards who they want to be resonating with. But,

(46:14):
yeah, you can definitely get amplified effects as
well when you have a group of intentional people
all come together. And, you know, this has been
shown by some of the work of Lynn McTaggart, for
example, with her intention experiments is, you
know, you. You bring a group of people together
and they're all focused on the same. The same
kind of process and the same objective or serve

(46:37):
ultimately service to bring some healing to
somebody else. And that it amplifies the Field,
it amplifies the effect when you have many people
coming together and focusing on the same thing.

Interesting. Yes. I just, I think about that
because, you know, the work that I'm doing, we're
all doing together. So much of it is virtual. And
I've been feeling lately that it would be really
for the next level. People need to see each other
in person and have that. That in person coherence

(47:15):
and entrainment happening. And I'm excited to see
what everyone. What breakthroughs people have and
what ideas they come up with when they are in
each other's physical presence.

Yeah. You know, I think that there's a lot more
people these days who are doing these intention
experiments remotely. Right. And it's. They're
coordinating in time and maybe not in the same
space, but in the same time. And yet they're
linked through the Internet. And I think that
through the morphic field idea, the morphogenetic

(47:48):
and sort of the entanglement of consciousness, I
think we could tune into a unified field.
However, I would say that when you get together
in person, you have a much more immediate and
direct impact on the physical. So in person, work
is always going to have an amplified effect
versus trying to do everything remotely. And I do

(48:10):
think that we need that contact. Like, humans are
social creatures, right. We're. We're going to be
thriving more when we have that social
connection, not just through technology, but
through touch and through actual sharing of auric
space. You know, that we're in each other's

(48:30):
fields and there's a much more immediate ability
to entrain and cohere with each other when we're
together in person.

Right. Yeah. I've really noticed that we moved
around a lot, especially during and after Covid
and I just locked into my people because I had.
My people were online and that's where they were.
And I recently. Where we've been where this is
our third year here and I went and joined a

(49:01):
committee at. In the children's school district.
And my husband was like, are you really sure you
want to do that? You're kind of busy. And I was
like, I need to go to a meeting with. With human
beings who are in the same room with me. Even if
we're gonna if to talk about, you know,
fundraising for. For the school party, I don't

(49:23):
care what the top like, I mean, that is
meaningful to me. So if I do care. But it was
just what you're saying. I just had this deep
need after so much virtual work to be with human
beings at the same time and just work on
something together.

Yeah. You know, I remember during COVID seeing a
video that I think just captured the whole
importance of physical contact is. I mean,
people, number one. We know how many people were
having like mental health issues and depression
and so forth come because they, even if they
could get online interaction, they couldn't get

(50:03):
in person interaction and they were really
isolated. But there was this one video of these
kids who were like, you know, kids that were best
friends and they were really young, like under 8
years old, and, and they couldn't be with each
other and they couldn't hang out. They could talk
to each other over zoom, maybe during COVID but
it was like once some of the restrictions started
to reduce and they were able to get the kids

(50:26):
together for the first time, the kids like came
together and they hugged and they started crying
and crying and crying. You know, they're just. It
was so healing for them to be able to connect
again in person. Right. So we need that, we need
that contact and we need physical. To hold
physical space with each other. And I think
that's super important for us to not lose touch

(50:47):
with.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, what a beautiful story. Yeah, we
really do. And when we're, when we're grown ups,
we're like, oh, no, I'm fine. I've got all this
happening and skip over, skip over things here
and there. Okay. I want to just touch on before
we, we wrap the idea of alchemy, because one of

(51:10):
the things that I real appreciate about your
work, I appreciate you, the clarity of your
communication. I found I find you to be very
grounded. Even when you're talking about
extremely high level metaphysical stuff. There's
a groundedness. But also, and this is like so

(51:31):
dear to my heart, it's very practical. I find
whenever I listen to you or watch one of your
shows or one of your teachings, it always comes
back to like, okay, so what does this mean in
life? And you have a beautiful book where you
have taken some of the concepts of alchemy. We
don't have to go through all of them, but use

(51:55):
them as a template for our own personal change,
for organizational change, for societal change. I
just wanted to touch on that briefly because
again, it's a concept that is super esoteric to
most people. I would say this audience probably
would have some nodding acquaintance with alchemy

(52:17):
in a positive way. But you have a deep
understanding of it and also a very practical
application. So just quickly tell us how you see
alchemy and what that concept means through
physics. And through personal, organizational,
societal change.

Yeah. So in my book, it's called the Game
Changers, Social alchemists in the 21st century.
And it's is. It's a easily digestible book. But,
you know, so it's not huge. It's. It's small, but
it's packed with, like, just the essence. And,
and it's. I love it because it's like, okay, yes,
there's alchemy from the scientific perspective.

(52:58):
And, and here's, you know, like my, My first
exposure to alchemy. I had. I was well into my
PhD studies at that point in physics, and I've
been very much programmed with the mindset of
alchemy. Well, that's just pseudoscience and, you
know, the Middle Ages trying to turn lead into
gold. And we know that's not possible. And, you

(53:18):
know, this is my mindset around alchemy. When,
When I first started getting exposed to it, I was
really searching for practical ways to bridge
science and spirituality. And, you know, I
thought, well, there's some great philosophy
around Eastern mysticism, for example, like the
Taoism or Buddhism, like these philosophies with

(53:41):
quantum physics. And it's. It's all great, but
it's just theoretical or hypothetical. You know,
it's just philosophical, and it's not grounded.
It's not applied. And so I knew that if we wanted
to bring it into more applicability and
tangibility and. And really, you know, move the
field forward, if you will, of bridging signs and

(54:01):
spirituality, we had to make it more practical.
And so I was searching for that. And then alchemy
just kept kind of being presented to me. And
every. Like, there's at least three times where
it came up. And I just said, oh, no, I'm a real
scientist. I don't have anything to learn from
alchemists. But it just kept coming up, and it
kept coming up. So the universe was just like,

(54:21):
really giving me.

All right, all right.

Lots of messages. And so I knew enough to, okay,
I'm going to listen to the universe and just
like, empty my cup for a moment and suspend my.
My skepticism about it, and I'm going to read a
book. And as I started reading about it, I
realized that the true gold of alchemy is the
wisdom itself. That it's not just about trying to

(54:43):
turn lead into gold, as we were sort of taught in
our science history classes, but that there is a
wisdom of the process of transformation. And it's
basically at its most fundamental level, it's how
to take Any. Any substance, any being, any, you

(55:04):
know, whether it's an herb or you or a mineral,
and take it from a raw state to a more purified
and perfected state. And so it's this process of
transformation, and there's these stages that we
go through to get from that raw material to that

(55:27):
perfected material. And. And these principles are
universal. It's not really about our psychology.
It's not about our belief system. It's not about,
you know, what we think about it. It's about.
This is just what happens. Even. There's even
alchemy at a cosmic level. You know, like how we
go from just like space dust to star formation.

(55:50):
You know, there's an alchemy at work that happens
there as well. And so in my book, I talk about
there's these seven stages of alchemy. I think it
would take a bit too long to go through all seven
stages of it right now. But the basic formula is
this process of separating out the parts and
purifying them. And then once they're purified,

(56:14):
we bring them back together in a more synergistic
way by recombining, and then we'll go through
another round of separating again, purifying
again, elevating, and kind of raising their
vibration and then bringing them back together
and finding, you know, that perfect balance and

(56:35):
combination of those elements. And they talk
about what are called the three essentials in
alchemy. There's the physical material itself.
They call that the body. There's the
consciousness, the unique sort of attributes and
qualities, the characteristics. They call that

(56:57):
more the soul. And then there's what they call
the spirit, which is the essence that makes it
alive. But at that, spirit is kind of more
universal. And so they. They always talk about
these three essentials. And there's different
forms of alchemy out there. You can see it in

(57:17):
Chinese medicine. You can see it in Ayurvedic
medicine. You can. You have the Western system.
There's multiple approaches to alchemy. It goes
all the way back to ancient Egypt, probably even
goes back further than ancient Egypt. And it is.

It.

You know, the more I started to learn about it,
the more I was like, wow, this is what's
happening in. Even in our personal growth, right?
And. And also, like, wait a second. Science came
out of alchemy, like, before we were. We called
ourselves scientists, we called ourselves
alchemists. And in the alchemists, like, they did
not separate the spirit or the soul from the

(57:57):
body. They saw it all as really essential, all
three of them. Whereas materialist scientists
kind of started separating out the mind and the
soul and the spirit and said, that's for the
realm of religion. We're going to just focus on
the material part of it. We're going to focus on
the body, the chemistry, and the bottom line. But

(58:18):
all of our modern medicine, our modern
pharmacology, also herbal medicine and
homeopathic approaches, and all of these fields
came out of alchemy. So to me, I see it as a
perfect place to. If we want to reconnect science
and spirituality, we got to go back to its roots,
which is the alchemical tradition. And I like to

(58:39):
apply it to our personal growth. So as we are
evolving our own consciousness, our own soul, and
we're going through various stages of growth, we
go through these same seven stages. A bit of
breakdown, a bit of, you know, kind of emotional,
like, not sure what to make of all of this. And

(59:00):
then we get back to clarity, and then we find our
new self. And then we, you know, we go through.
Sometimes we might have to root out deeper
impurities and go through a little bit of a dark
night and let go of attachments. But then
ultimately we break through and we come into
higher and higher practices. But what you'll find
in the higher steps, like the later steps of the

(59:22):
alchemical process, most of the first four steps
kind of will happen naturally if you're even
somewhat applying yourself. But the final three
steps really require a lot more personal
attention, will patience and knowledge and higher
keys or wisdom of how to move those steps forward

(59:44):
successfully. And often what people get to is
they get to that point where they're starting to
feel good again after they've been through a
transformational sort of phase. They get to the
point where they feel good again, and they get
back in their comfort zone. And then they don't
actually complete all the way through. So I feel
that when you know the alchemical steps, it

(01:00:05):
really gives you a roadmap to. To keep moving
through all the stages so that you can perfect it
and stabilize it and integrate it rather than
kind of backsliding again. And then we can apply
this not only to ourselves, but we can apply this
to the world, to human collective consciousness
and our societal transformations that we're going

(01:00:27):
through right now. And these are some of the
things that I cover in the book as well.

Meredith Oke (01:00:33):
Yes. And that.

Theresa Bullard (01:00:34):
That's.

I found, as I was saying, I found super helpful.
And I do remember that part where. Because you
have to remember how. How many stages there are,
and you have a breakthrough and especially, you
know, if someone's been unwell and they get, they
get better and, and then you, you feel unwell
again and it's like you've, it's, or you fall off

(01:00:58):
or the problem comes back and, and I remember
there's a part in the book and you're like, no,
wait, you're not finished. There's still more
stages. Don't give up yet. Like that first, it's
almost like that first breakthrough is really the
beginning.

Yeah, yeah, it's the midpoint. But it's sort of
like when you're climbing a mountain and you get
to base camp, you know, you get to this sort of
halfway point and then you look and you're like,
oh, I've still got all that mountain to climb.
You know, it really takes more determination and
discipline and dedication to getting all the way

(01:01:35):
through. But it's really rewarding when you do.
You'll have huge sense of accomplishment and
victory when you, when you do it. And you know,
you can just look at, for example, I mean, just
look at Covid by itself and the travel industry
and what the travel industry had to go through
when Covid hit, right. I mean, the rug got pulled
out from under it. The whole thing was shut down.

(01:01:56):
Right. It was a real like, like massive wake up
call. And, and, and so then they had to start
looking at, okay, what are our practices? How,
you know, how do we sanitize more, how do we make
sure everything's clean, how do we make it safe
again for travelers? Otherwise we're going to
lose the whole industry of travel. And as we
started to open up again, you know, there was all

(01:02:17):
these protocols that they were doing. You know,
they give you these sanitizing wipes. They, they
sanitized and cleaned all the seats. Seats and
all the tray tables and everything. And you know,
the, the, the airports had never been so clean as
that time and everyone was having to wear masks
and, you know, kind of be more mindful of the
impact that you have on other people that you're

(01:02:38):
sharing this space with. And, and where are they
at today? Right? What did they learn from that
experience and how much of, of those good
practices to clean up did have they maintained.
Right. And I mean, I travel a lot and I would say
they've backslid back to how it was before. And I

(01:03:00):
really hope that we don't have to repeat that
lesson again. Please know, I know maybe next time
we'll be able to get to it faster and you know,
pick it up faster. But it's Just, it's an example
of getting to that midpoint and you get
comfortable again and things kind of go back to
what seems normal. But, okay, now we're past the

(01:03:23):
hard part of it. And then you just sort of go
into that comfort zone and stop doing all the
extra good practices. But that's where the
backslide then starts to happen. So it's like we
have to continue and integrate those. Those good
practices and make them a way of life rather than
just, you know, kind of letting go of the good
practice.

Right. All the things that we did to start to
feel better or lose weight or not be depressed,
we have to keep them. They have to become the way
of life, not just a temporary solution to the
problem.

Right.

For a true alchemical change to occur.

Right. So we conquer our first nature, which is
sort of falling into the comfort zone and, you
know, that sort of laziness of the animal self.
And you gotta conquer that and, you know, apply
more the discipline and the good practices,
whether it's meditation, exercise, eating. Well,

(01:04:25):
sticking to it, rather than just going on this
crash course and then. And then dropping it all
together. We have to create those little
adjustments that become a way of life, and then
you just maintain it. Then you build a new
platform. Platform upon which you can rise
higher, but it's got to be integrated into your.
Your way of life for sure.

And where do you see that we are as a collective
through that lens?

Well, I have seen over the last. Since at least
2016, maybe earlier, but yeah, 2016, we. I felt
like we started going into a dark night of the
soul of. At least in the Western world, but

(01:05:14):
that's actually the fifth stage. So while it
seemed really dark and. And kind of fearful,
there was a lot of fear that we've been.
Humanity's been facing over the last many years.
There has actually been some forward movement
from an alchemical perspective. So it's. It's

(01:05:35):
the. This fifth stage, we call it the
fermentation stage. It's, you know, I like to use
the analogy of the butterfly, the caterpillar
becoming the butterfly, the metamorphosis. And I
do explain this in the book, but essentially,
caterpillar, as it goes into its chrysalis, it
completely breaks down into this soupy mess. And,
you know, so there's the breakdown of the old

(01:05:57):
system, but that old system kind of had lived out
its time. And there's a new. There's a trigger
inside the DNA saying, no, you have to evolve or
transform metamorph into this more beautiful
thing. But to go through that transformation,
that metamorphosis, we have to go through this
soupy mess. And there's this place where certain

(01:06:22):
old cells attack the new cells and then the new
cells have to kind of bond together and form,
stre, find strength in numbers. And then they got
to diversify and then eventually that new
structure starts to come through. So I see, for
example, in the world right now there's a lot of
new paradigm systems that are trying to move

(01:06:42):
forward and emerge. I mean, whether you're
talking like, just from the tech perspective,
you've got AI, you've got quantum computing
starting to come forward, we've got all these
wearables and stuff. From medical perspective,
there's a lot of innovation happening in
medicine. You've got blockchain. I mean, there's

(01:07:03):
so many different new, new paradigm ways of
approaching things that are starting to come in,
but they're, they're fighting against the old
system because they're a threat to the old
system. In a way. It's like, well, if we do it
that way, you know, then this old way loses
control. And so we're sort of in that struggle
still. But I think that we're starting to make a

(01:07:25):
breakthrough. It's, it's almost like that point
where the butterfly is formed inside the
chrysalis and then the chrysalis starts to break
open and light shines into the darkness and you
can, you can start to see that, oh, there's this
new form that's emerging, but it has to kind of
struggle its way out of the chrysalis. And, and,

(01:07:46):
and you know, if you were to go and see a
butterfly trying to struggle out of its it's
cocoon or it's chrysalis, and you were to like
feel sorry for it and try to intervene and help
it out, it wouldn't get strong enough to be able
to fly. So it has to struggle on its own to get
out of that chrysalis, because that is actually,
that struggle is what strengthens the structure

(01:08:09):
and the wings of this butterfly so that it can
actually, you know, take flight down the line.
And, and even when it gets out of that struggle,
it's going to need a little bit of time to rest
and dry off and kind of regather itself before it
finally can take flight. So we're kind of in that

(01:08:29):
stage where we're struggling out of the
chrysalis. There's this new paradigm coming in.
There's still a struggle with the old paradigm,
but we have to go through the struggle and it's
not easy, but we're moving more and more into the
light and out of that dark stage. Out, I think.
So I think we're in this transition at the
moment. If you read my book, we're in this
transition between the fermentation and the

(01:08:50):
distillation stage. But here is where we really
need to be conscious and intentional and
proactive and disciplined with how we continue to
move the process forward. Because if we don't
participate with it, it will kind of backslide or
it won't. It won't integrate into a new way of

(01:09:12):
life. So we're at a really critical time on the
planet and in our modern world. And so I think
the people who really want to be part of that
solution and be part of the change, they need the
right knowledge. And that's why I love alchemy,
is because it kind of gives us that roadmap of,
okay, this struggle that we're going through is
actually worthwhile. It's part of the process.

(01:09:37):
And also, I think the new paradigm shift in
consciousness that needs to happen is also out of
this old Newtonian way of thinking and into a
more quantum way of thinking. And so that quantum
paradigm is something that we teach within the
Quantum Learning Academy. And we actually have a
program coming up in April in Reno, in Reno,

(01:10:00):
Nevada, where it's called Iquantum, where we'll
really take three days to dive deep into what are
these quantum principles, and how do they apply,
what do they mean, and how can we adapt it as a
mindset, and what does that do for us? And then
how do we actually achieve a quantum coherent
state? We have our meditation technique called
the Quantum meditation technique that we guide

(01:10:23):
people through to really learn how to achieve
that quantum coherent state, or what are the keys
to it. So very excited.

That sounds fun. I'm going to come.

Yeah. Well, you can learn all about it at
quantumlearningacademy co.co.

Okay, so quantumlearningacademy co. Perfect. And
there's live events coming up. I'm sure there's
probably recorded material in there as well.

Yeah. We also have a webinar coming up that will.
I think it's in early February that will be just
sort of a free webinar to help people kind of get
a sense of what is the I quantum event all about.
And. And, you know, a little bit more of what we
do. So that's coming up also. That's online.

Perfect. Well, Teresa, I'm so glad that you
followed your heart to leave academia. Their
loss. But your work is, it's the framework of it
is just such an important guide, especially right
now. I'm just, yeah, I've been communicating with
people lately. Just what you're saying. It's like
we gotta stay alive, people. This is the moment.

(01:11:30):
I don't know what's happening but, but, but we're
here for it. So thank you. Thank you so much for
being here and sharing your deep wisdom.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

It's been a pleasure. Thank you.

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