124: Eileen McKusick - Biofield Tuning and the New Physics - The Quantum Biology Collective Podcast

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Meredith Oke (05:00):
Hi, Eileen McKusick. Welcome to the QVC podcast.
Super excited to have you here. We appreciate
your work so much and also the work that you've
been doing to create, lay the foundation for this
to be a true science, the science of waves and
sound and all of it. Your contribution is really

(05:22):
important. So thank you for that and thank you
for being here.

Eileen McKusick (05:24):
Yeah, you bet. Thanks for having me, Meredith.

So I wanted to start back at the beginning. A lot
of almost everyone that I interview and everyone
who listens to this, it's mostly people who ended
up in a place that they didn't expect. They took
a turn that they didn't plan to take due to
following a fascination or having a health issue

(05:49):
that wasn't resolved via the normal channels. You
are so currently well known for biofuel tuning,
but I was interested to hear your story,
listening to you share that. You didn't start out
there. You were in a completely different
industry and this was a side hobby that grew. So

(06:11):
tell us how that happened.

Yeah, definitely ended up where I didn't think I
would by following a fascination to help my own
health conditions. So I think I've got that in
common with everybody else on this kind of path.
I picked up tuning forks in 1996. I found a set
in a catalog, and at the time I had owned a very

(06:34):
busy restaurant that I started when I was 20. And
100 hour weeks really ruined my back and my
health. I ended up running away screaming after
four years and went to massage therapy school and
started to work to heal my back, heal my physical
issues, you know, emotional mental issues that I
didn't even realize that I had. And ended up

(06:54):
having to go back to the restaurant, but kept
doing massages part time on the side because I
discovered that I really had an interest in
natural health and healing, science and
spirituality, human potential. And so I always
had books going on the side, and one book always
leads to another, as probably most of your
watchers have that experience. And it led me to

(07:17):
vibrational medicine all the way back in 1996.
And this was really just starting to come out.
And I read everything I could find on the use of
color and sound and music and healing. And then
these forks appeared in a catalog. So I just
started playing with them. And they were very
intriguing to me from the very beginning. They
produced situations and outcomes that I

(07:39):
absolutely didn't expect. But this was in
Connecticut in the 90s, where people were
extremely skeptical of this sort of thing. If I
told anyone I was doing sound healing with tuning
forks, I Was like, got backhanded. You know, it's
skepticism. Like what nonsense. I mean, now I
think there is something about when you hear the

(08:00):
term tuning forks in energy fields, I think
people have been really programmed to immediately
perceive that and dismiss it as pseudoscientific
nonsense. And anybody who engages in that is
clearly delusional. And, and has, you know. No,
they're just deluding themselves. And. But you
know, the thing is, is that once you get past

(08:22):
that first thought and you dig a little deeper,
what you find is that the how and why of why
tuning forks work actually makes sense. And
that's what a lot of people say once they read my
book and they, they start to grasp it. They're
like, oh, this makes sense, right? It's a physics
based approach to health, working with the body's
electrical system instead of a chemical,

(08:44):
mechanical based approach to health that we've
all been so conditioned into. So I did it for 10
years, just as a hobby, just on the side. And
then in 2006, I made a discovery that I started
to find things in the atmosphere around the body.
And over the next four years, from 2006 to 2010,

(09:06):
I explored what I now know as the biofield. And
now see, that is a Taurus. But at the time, I had
no idea. It was sort of this blind exploration
that sort of fumble in the dark with momentary
flashes of illumination. And what ended up coming
together is what I call the biofield anatomy map,
which is the basis of my work. And it's

(09:27):
essentially the observation that we have an
electrical system. Anything that has electric
current running through it has a magnetic field
around it. And the human body is no exception.
And that this magnetic field is what I would call
our mind, our conscious mind, our subconscious
mind. It's where our memories are. It's really

(09:49):
our sense of self, right? Because when you're
alive and your light is on, that's you, you're
here. And when you die, your light goes out and
then you are no longer here. So I would say that
this electrical system, this light body, is both
biological and spiritual. So there's really,
there's no, there's no separation there. Even
though we've been taught to use language and

(10:11):
beliefs to create a separation. And so I would
say that the biofield is a torus. It is a sphere
with a central channel. We draw up negative
charge from the surface of the earth, we draw
down positive charge from the sun and the
atmosphere, and these circulate around and the
field extends about 6ft off to our sides, front

(10:34):
and backs about 12 foot diameter. But it grows
and shrinks depending on where we are, how we
feel, that sort of thing. This is just sort of an
average. And what I discovered is that it holds
our memories. So even though we're told our
memories in our brain and our consciousness is
inside our brain, what I found was that actually
I could find very specific memories in the field.

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And that's what the map is all about. It shows
where specific memories are stored in the field.
And so when I started working in the field, my
therapeutic outcomes became really dramatic. And
at the time, I was actually making kettle corn.
So I'd sold my share in the restaurant. I moved
to Vermont, and I wanted to get back into a food

(11:16):
business. And so I go to grocery stores on Sunday
nights and see what people were buying and what
they weren't buying. And then I came up with the
idea for kettle corn. Because back in 2004, you
could only get kettle corn in fairs and
festivals. You couldn't get it in stores. And so
I actually was one of the first people to bring
kettle corn in stores. And I had. I had it in 50

(11:38):
stores. It was flying off the shelves. It was a
proven product. It had great profit margin. Like,
I was going to grow it, sell it to Frito Lay and
retire. Like, that was the track that I was on.
And I got, whoop, diverted kind of unexpectedly
and kind of reluctantly, quite honestly. Because

(11:58):
when I started working out in the field, my
therapeutic outcomes with my clients became
really dramatic. You know, when we don't feel
good and we go see a provider, we want to
experience a state change, right? We want to feel
different. After we spent money and come out, we
want to feel different. And that is so much what
was happening. I was getting people over anxiety,
depression, pain, all kinds of stuckness in

(12:21):
pretty short order. And I was like, this is the
kind of healing people are looking for. And I
really felt sort of a moral obligation to bring
it out in the world. But there was this image
problem. And so I ended up going to college as an
adult and went full time for 4 years. Got my

(12:43):
undergraduate degree, got my master's degree, and
I wrote a master's thesis called Exploring the
Effects of Audible Sound on the Human Body and
its Biofield.

Wow. Good for you. So what were the majors to get
you to that?

Well, my undergrad was in business and wellness.
And then my. Actually, my graduate program, I
went to Northern Vermont University, which is
like five minutes down the road from me in
Northern Vermont. They only had two master's
programs, one in education and one in counseling.
So I got a master's in education. But I was very
fortunate to have a thesis committee and a group

(13:18):
of people that were super supportive of what I
was doing doing. And so I got a degree in
integrative education. I kind of created my own
track and was fully supported in doing this
research and writing this thesis. But my thesis
advisor, she said to me, Eileen, if you're going
to write an academic treatise on an esoteric

(13:40):
topic, it has to be above excellent. And So I had
five different editors for that, including this
fellow named Dr. Carl Merritt, who's who wrote
the Ford Tuning the Human Biofield and was also
the first person I ever tried to do it at a
distance with. And, and then that won an academic
excellence award and it, and then it became the

(14:03):
basis for Tuning the Human Biofield which has now
sold over 100,000 copies. So it's, that book has
sort of become a classic. It's maintained
bestseller status ever since it came out 10 years
ago. So. And then I wrote Electric Body, electric
health in 2021. So along the way I formed a
school and I now have 10 teachers who help me

(14:24):
teach biofield tuning. We've trained over 3,500
people worldwide in, in the method or if
something in different stages of it. So that's
very exciting. I formed a non profit institute,
Biofilm Tuning Institute and we've had a number
of papers published in peer review. Just did a
big study last year with 100 participants and
that is currently the data for that is being

(14:45):
collated. That was for anxiety and we found that
biofuel tuning works amazingly for anxiety,
fears, phobias, that sort of thing. So we're, you
know, we're doing, we're educating people in how
to do the method and we're getting the peer
review research done as well. And I really see
that it's my job to take what has previously been

(15:08):
considered to be pseudoscientific or you know,
woo woo, as I like to say and just ground it. In
science we already understand, just make it very
matter of fact, because it is very matter of
fact. And so that's what I've been working on.

Amazing. There's so much in there. I love that
you are able to take what was available in our
current reality and use those materials to build
a new reality. Basically what you did. Yeah,
because I think sometimes we look around and see

(15:45):
the brick wall, hear the negativity. It's like,
oh well, they're not. No, no one's ready for this
yet. But there's always the, you know, getting
down, breaking things down. There's always the
ingredients to build whatever it is we need to
build, and then that gives a framework for people
to come into and expand it and keep moving it

(16:06):
forward. So you are a great role model in that
way. I love it. Thank you. So you mentioned
having a shift in terms of how you understood the
biofield, which is really when you were like,
okay, I have to give up my entrepreneurial life
and take this more seriously. What could you say

(16:27):
more about what that was?

Yeah, it was a message from God, quite honestly.
It was a download that came in kind of like
certified mail, clear as a bell. And it said, you
need. It started off with, the world needs
harmony more than it needs another snack food.

Well, that's not ambiguous. That is clear.

That's very clear. It says, you need to go to
college, get degrees, learn and teach about
sound. Become part of the conversation moving the
science of this forward. Get yourself in
textbooks and peer review. Cover the globe with
biofield tuning and awaken an army. All of these
things. And at first I was like, absolutely not.

(17:16):
Like, I'm not doing that. I'm not gonna. I'm not
gonna go out on the world stage with tuning forks
because I'm just gonna be such a target for
people's rotten tomatoes, and I don't want to do
that. Thank you very much. But after, you know,
just a little while, I realized that. That I was
well suited to the job because I am so practical

(17:37):
and log. And the only reason why I advocate for
any of this is because it's practical, it's
logical, it's effective, it's efficient. These
are all things that I really value. And. And so I
said, okay, challenge accepted. I sold the
popcorn business, and I went to college, and, you

(17:58):
know, and I've done all the things that I was
asked to do. So that's. Yeah, that's where it
came from. You couldn't really say no.

Yeah. No, you can't. Yes. And I understand. It's
like this vision comes and it's like, sorry, I'm
gonna do what? That's not. No, that's not who I
am. That's not the plan. Everyone's gonna think
I'm weird, but, oh, well, here we are. And here,

(18:25):
you know, and you have truly changed the
landscape. You know, you really have, in a very,
very short amount of time, the combination of the
qualities that you bring to the table.

Well, I think that part of the reason is. Is
because everything that I put together, it really
needs to ring true to me. It needs to resonate.
Right. And if it doesn't resonate, if it doesn't
make sense to me, I'm not going to share it with
anyone. And so that's what. When people hear it
and they start to understand it, they feel the
resonance. They say, oh, this feels true. This

(19:00):
rings true to me. These are things that I already
knew, but I didn't even know that I knew them
until I saw it there. And then I'm like, of
course that's true.

Right, Right. Yes. And that's that. That feeling
of truth in the body, where it's. Because we talk
a lot about sunlight and being outside. You know,
I've had a lot of people on this podcast talking
about how important that is, and people like, oh,
no, no, you can't go in the sun. It's bad. And
you're like, why do you think that? How do you
feel when you're outside? It's like, oh, yeah,

(19:35):
no, that makes sense.

Right.

And there's not even a scientific explanation
necessary. People just feel the truth of it. So
tell me a little bit more about the anatomy of
the biofield.

Sure. So what I observed, and this was, as I
said, over the course of four years of combing my
forks through the atmosphere around the body and
making observations because the tuning forks
interact with the body's electromagnetic field.

And.

And I would. I would be going along, and I would
hit an area where I would feel resistance in the
fork, almost feeling like you're encountering
mass. And then I would have a note drop into my
head. Then I talk about having a male slot, mail
slot on the back of my head, like, kind of right

(20:29):
there. My friend Tiffany Barsodi, I met her at a
conference, and she did all this work,
understanding that we actually have a minor
chakra there called the Alta major, or the mouth
of God, which I. When I first learned about that,
I'm like, that's my mail slot.

You're like, oh, the mail slot you made.

And. And so the mail slot would open and a little
note would drop in, and it would say, sadness,
age 10. And so I'd be like. And I'd ask the
person, what happened when you were 10? That was
sad. And they were like, oh, that was when my
grandmother died. And, you know, we were so
close, and I was so sad, and we never talked
about it. There's, like, to always be a sad story
there. And so after a while of getting all of

(21:09):
these drops that were then correlated by my
clients, this pattern started to emerge. And the
way I've come to understand the pattern now is
that information encoded in the outer boundary.
The double layer plasma membrane of our biofield
contains information that was generated when we

(21:31):
were in utero. Just inside that is birth. And so
if I'm moving a tuning fork through someone's
field, it's like dropping a needle on an album
and reading the vibrational record of their
lives. All the memories are encoded in the field.
So if I'm working on somebody who's 60, I'm going
to find memories that were generated when they
were 30, around three feet away from them. And

(21:52):
then as we get closer to the body, we get closer
to now. So it's timelined in that as our body is
feeling and sensing and speaking and hearing all
the things. Right. That are all electrical
impulses. So it makes sense that our memory is
stored in our electrical system so that it has
this timeline quality. But I also discovered that

(22:15):
it was sort of striated, that it almost had like
file drawers. And every time we felt the emotion
of sadness, that would get recorded off of our
left shoulder. So I found that people who came in
who had left shoulder issues very often were
carrying a lot of heavy sadness with them. They
had undigested, unexpressed, sad emotions.

Because that particular emotion gets stored up in
a similar space in the biofield.

Yes.

Which then reverberates into the physical body.

Yes. It's kind of one of the in.

And out, all the waves.

Yeah, yeah. I noticed that every time people came
in with right hip issues, that they had a busy
mind and a busy body and were almost always over
engaged in some kind of guilt driven overdoing or
overthinking and so on through the whole body.
That every body part, the people came and said
this hurts. That there was a common underlying

(23:12):
mental or emotional imbalance there. And like
almost without exception. Right. And I can, I can
very easily, you know, if somebody tells me where
they have pain, I can very easily diagnose to
them, like what is going on in their mind and
their emotions in their life. That's out of
balance because magnetic fields guide and inform

(23:32):
electric currents. So wherever you're generating
a lot of magnetic emotional energy, it's going to
affect the way that electricity is flowing
through the body and you end up with excesses in
some places and deficiencies in other. So what
we're really doing, we're kind of like
bioelectricians and we're working through the

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magnetic field in order to get the electricity to
flow through the body in a Balanced open way. So
that that's really the essence of it is finding
traumatic inputs from different parts of your
life where you developed a pattern of tension
related to that. And that pattern of tension is

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inhibiting flow and it's stopping your body from
self repairing. Because the body is designed to
self repair, we all know that. And what gets in
the way are these patterns of tension. In fact,
I've come to the conclusion that anything that
you can think of, for the most part, that goes
wrong with you is tension based. And I've been

(24:38):
waiting for somebody to come up with things that
aren't right. Even, even something like heavy
metal poisoning. We're all exposed to heavy
metal. Why do some people end up with heavy metal
toxicity and other people don't? And I found that
there was a particular personality type that was
more prone to this. And these were the people who

(24:59):
suppressed their anger. And if you just think and
feel for a moment like what has to happen in your
body in order for you to suppress anger, right,
you're creating tension across every membrane in
your body. That tension is inhibiting your body
from moving these heavy metals, from processing
them, from getting them out. So when we release

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these subconscious patterns of tension, and it
could be from in utero, a lot of stuff gets
formed under the age of three. Even particular
beliefs that we form create particular patterns
of tension. If you were a baby that was left to
cry it out and you were bottle fed on a schedule
and you were neglected, you develop a belief that

(25:40):
it doesn't matter what you say, nobody's
listening to what I'm saying. And you go through
your life and that pattern of tension informs
your voice, your vagus nerve, so that when you
speak, people hear that belief and they don't
listen to you. And it's just a pattern of
tension. So it's a sort of systematic approach to

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going through the memory bank, finding the places
where you still have charge around unhealed,
unexpressed emotions or experiences, unwitnessed,
shameful things that you know you might have been
victim of when you were little that put you in
that state of tension and just gently teasing the
body to release the energy that it's holding in

(26:21):
that and that pattern of tension so that, so that
you can relax and that your breathing opens up.
Because in the electric health model, most of our
life force and energy comes from our breath. And
so if you're not breathing, and most people hold
their breath regularly, they breathe shallowly,
they overthink, and then they wonder why they're

(26:43):
exhausted at 3:00 in the afternoon. And it's
primarily because you are not getting enough
breath. So this boosts our vitality by liberating
our breath to its potential. Right, yeah.

So fascinating. So liberating our breath and all
of that energy that we're using to stay tense,
that also becomes available to us to live our
lives, to flow, to receive, to give.

Yes, all that and to really reach our potential.
Right. Because we all know that we have more
potential than what we're accessing. And your
electric potential is literally frozen in your
field and it's not in circulation because. And if
you've had a lot of trauma, you have a lot of
stuff frozen in your field. But I've found that

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people who've had a lot of trauma who
successfully heal, become like superhuman because
they had to figure out how to make do with less
of themselves online. And when they start to get
themselves back online, they've really developed
a lot of skills.

And I have noticed that. And you also become.
You've also developed the skill of healing stuff
as it happens and noticing and knowing what it
is. Because I think, yeah, I noticed that there's
people. I'm like, oh, if only you were just
slightly more traumatized, you'd be forced to
deal with it. Which sounds terrible, but it's an

(28:14):
interesting topic. And I saw something online
this week that I wanted to respond to, but I
don't have time. And the person, you know, there
was someone who made a post about how trauma is
the cause of so many different things, and then
someone else reposted it, saying, like, why are
we blaming everything in the world on trauma? And
I. I'm curious what you feel like. My thought was

(28:35):
trauma is the source of all of those things, but
are the problem isn't blaming trauma. The problem
is that we somehow feel like that trauma is
permanent or something, when really it's what I
think the next phase is like, okay, people who
have a lot of trauma are very, very limited, and
it's a source of many different issues. But what

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if the. What if we had a mindset where it's like,
oh, okay, so go and go and heal it. It's
possible. And it's not actually as hard as you
may have been led to believe.

It is absolutely possible, and it is absolutely
not as hard as you've been led believe. I had a
lot of trauma as a kid and had a really hard life
for a long time. Many, many difficult things. And
I backed all of that out of my system. Now I've
had a lot of tune ups. I've received a lot of
tune ups. You know, that's a beautiful thing, but

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we are absolutely capable of healing these
things. And you know what happens, and I think
kind of where we're at is as we go through this
process of discovering that the trauma has
created the. Our stuck emotions are a lot of
stuckness, really. You know, I think it kind of,
a lot of it boils down to stuckness in knowing

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that you want to change your life or you want to
go somewhere, you want to do something different,
but you're stuck in the wiring of all of your old
habits and inputs. But you can be rewired and we
can access that potential. And it's happening,
it's happening now. I've treated many, many, many
people and I've trained many people who are
helping people to overcome this. But you have to

(30:13):
get out of victim consciousness. You have to stop
attaching to your pain body and self, identifying
with your pain body. And you have to stop looking
for like, the one thing that's gonna flip the
switch. Because there, there's a kind of like
desire for people to go from level 0 to level 10

(30:34):
kind of instantly. And so they're always trying
to make that big jump into like, you know, the
quantum leap into their, their perfect state. And
it doesn't. Maybe that can work very once in a
great while for very few people. But the fact of
the matter, what I've observed is we have to, in
layers, remove the wiring from the pain body and

(30:56):
wire it back into the light body. And, and, and
it happens in layers. You can't hold the energy
of your fully expanded self without the
scaffolding to hold it right. So we can have like
an expansive experience, a heart open experience,
and, and think, wow, I'm really great. I'm gonna

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be this way. And then we go home and we contract.
And then people will often like, beat themselves
up for that contraction. But that's really how we
grow and how we start to wire ourselves to be
able to hold that expanded flow state by degrees.
So we'll expand and then we'll contract a little,
and then we'll expand again and we'll contract a
little. So it's really important that you don't

(31:39):
resist the contractions on this journey. There's
switchbacks, there's.

Yes, loop around like this again.

Yeah. And you gotta be patient with that and not
beat yourself up. Just understand that that's how
it rolls and just keep going and keep holding
that vision of yourself. And if you find
something that Works like biofield tuning, and we
definitely know that that does. But there's so
many other great modalities out there these days
too. You know, there's a lot of options for

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healing. And recognize that your parents, their
parents, their parents, nobody in the generations
before you tried to do this right? You're not
just healing your own trauma, you're healing
cultural trauma, multi generational trauma.
There's a lot to do here, right? There is a great

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big piles of mess. I call us the karmic cleanup
crew. Like, there are so many people who are
coming into under the healing path that know that
they are called to clean up their ancestral
lineage, that the abuse stops with them, that the
bad behavior stops with them, and they're going
to heal and create a new life in a new way for

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those kids. So that is what is going on right
now. And for those of us who've taken on the task
of doing this healing, yes, it is a lot. And it's
okay that it's a lot. And if you keep going, you
get to experience yourself as more expanded and
more regulated for longer and longer periods of
time until you finally get to the place where

(33:16):
you're regulated and, you know, kind of happy, I
guess, most of the time because you've. Your
electrical system isn't, you know, got all these
things that are firing in it. They're triggering
you or sending you into dysregulation. Your
window of tolerance of stressors gets bigger and
bigger and you're able to, you know, you become
like a big boat on the ocean and the waves aren't

(33:39):
such a big deal anymore. And we all have that
capacity. It just takes time to get there right
now, in this moment in time. Right. Because going
forward, it might be a lot easier. But right now,
what we're all doing, what you're doing, what I'm
doing, what everybody listening to this podcast
is doing, is not easy. So just so you know that.
But it's doable.

Yes, yes. And I find for me, when it gets really
hard, it's almost always because I didn't put
enough support in place. I didn't have a bio, you
know, a biofield tuning. Like, I did it and then
I stopped or I, or I didn't, you know, I'm like

(34:20):
out on my own too much. And I feel like even
these conversations, like our fields are
entangling and we. There's that support is
growing. Even just when I listen to someone
else's podcast and they talk about something, I'm
like, I can feel that Support emanating out into
my field, even though I don't even know those

(34:41):
people.

Yeah, yeah. And we're all here in the same boat,
helping each other. You know, it's an amazing
thing. I'm very grateful to be part of a number
of different communities of people who are really
full on committed towards their health, vitality,
sanity, and living the right way for themselves

(35:03):
and others.

Yeah, it's amazing. And it's so to be surrounded
by people who carry that message and then also
have the modalities to support it. But especially
carrying that message, if it still feels
terrible, then there's, then there's just room to
grow. And I'm thinking, my daughter does
gymnastics, right? And it's like she's learning

(35:26):
to do a handstand and it's like at first she
could barely stay up and then she could stay up a
few seconds and then a few seconds longer and of
course she comes down the other side. But it's
like that's just the process of learning. And
that's really what I'm taking away from what
you're saying. And in terms of growing past
trauma.

Exactly. It is, it's a, it's a muscle like any
other muscle, you know, and you, you have to work
it and you can't just do it a poke at it and
think you're going to get somewhere. In a way, I
think if you're really serious about healing, it
has to become a lifestyle. It has to be what your
life is about. You know, my life is about health.
My life is set up to keep me healthy. And it

(36:08):
didn't used to be that way. I used to be very
much stuck in victim mentality, poverty
consciousness, addicted to drama, low level pain,
inflammation. You know, I had all the things I
don't anymore. And what changed? It was really
uncovering the electric health model. Discovering

(36:29):
that our body had an electrical system, realizing
that it was primary, realizing that if you try to
come at things at the level of chemical and
mechanical, it's downstream of what's going on
electrically. So when I started receiving tuning
from my first students and then started to
understand, oh, we have an electrical system and
that's, you know, that's what gets fed when you

(36:50):
go out in the sun. Your light body needs light.
That's pretty simple. Yeah.

I know. I just saw this research coming out
recently. Yeah, it was, you know, like our
capacity to navigate change, life changes, work
changes, is directly correlated to the strength
of our mitochondria, which is like obvious to us.
But, you know, there's a paper on that now. It's

(37:16):
like, okay, all right. So when you are cleaning
out, cleaning up the biofield, so you have your.
The tuning fork, and when you. When you sense a
space that needs to be cleared, is it a. Is it a
sound?

What's really interesting, it's both a sound and
a feeling. It's a feeling of resistance that you
feel like you're hitting something that has mass.
And this was always really puzzling to me because
they claim that electromagnetism doesn't have
mass. But I'm like, there is mass here. Like,
that's what it would say.

So it's like flowing through and then it's like
hitting something or getting. Or like molasses or.

Yeah, and it's always fun to teach people this
because you think, oh, that's not possible. Or
that's. No, I don't it. And then you do it and
you hit a spot and you're like, what? Like, you
can totally feel it. And I love seeing people's
reactions when they. When they figure that out.
So there'll be like a chaos pattern of the
memory. You know, if it was something like a car

(38:19):
accident, the. The alarm, the chaos afterwards,
and. And the resistance that your body went into.
So I'll hear it. I'll hear the story in it.
Because the language of vibration is very
precise. So every motion makes a particular
sound, every pathology makes a particular sound.
And over the 29 years that I've been listening to

(38:41):
forks, I've really become extremely fluent in
this very pure language that actually animals and
plants speak the same vibrational language, which
was very fascinating to figure out. But for a
long time it was really puzzling to me. I'm like,
well, what is this sense of mass? Once the chaos
would resolve, the mass would release, and then
the tuning fork becomes like a magnet, and we're

(39:02):
able to actually, like, guide that feeling of
mass back into the central channel of the body
where it feels like it goes back into flow. But I
recently came across an article about how
scientists had discovered a new quasi particle
called the semi Dirac fermion that only exhibits
mass when it's traveling perpendicular to the way

(39:26):
it's supposed to travel. So as long as it's going
this way, it's massless, but if it diverges and
goes to the side, it exhibits mass. And I was
like, oh, so now.

Okay, now I'm seeing why that particle is so
important to you, because that's explaining why
we think there's no mass. But you were finding
Mass. But it's because physics is weird. Things
do different things depending. Okay.

So because forever people will say, when you ask
them how they feel after a session, they always
say, I feel lighter. Everybody says the same
thing. My husband said to me one day, he's like,
can't you find more of a scientific thing to say,
feel lighter? But now I can say, actually we've
corrected the flow of their semi direct fermions

(40:17):
and actually release mass from their field.

I love it.

Yeah, So I did. So I did an experiment because I
wanted to understand this. Now we've already
heard from people prior to this that they had
lost weight during a session. One woman messaged
me one day and said she lost ten pounds in an
hour session. And I was like, how is that even
possible? But other people had reported the same
thing. Not everyone. So I decided to create a 30

(40:46):
minute recorded biofuel tuning session where I
just. Over an empty table where I'm going in and
intentionally looking for. Now, I don't believe
in particles as a person, but certainly waves all
the way down, traveling waves, standing waves
that are not going the way they're supposed to,

(41:08):
and very intentionally combing them back into
movement. It's called the mass reduction session.
And I weighed myself before and after, and I lost
like a pound and a half in 30 minutes. And so I
was like, this is really interesting. So I shared
it in my Facebook group and I shared it on my
YouTube channel. And I started collecting data

(41:29):
points and what was in the data was really
interesting. So out of say 50 data points, maybe
15 didn't change. The rest all lost weight. And
the. And that was anywhere between 2 ounces and
then the highest one was 5.2 pounds in 30 minutes.

From one session.

Yeah.

And these were sessions people did.

Listening to the recording, Listening to the
recording. Just listen.

So you don't need anything, Just the recording?

Just the recording.

Incredible.

Incredible. But there is like, there's a caveat
here.

Okay.

5 people or 10 of my data set gained weight. Oh,
right. And I was, okay, I'm not gonna have to
adjust my grow up here gainers in there. And so I
was trying to figure out why that happened. And I
was querying some of the people. So one of the
women who gained weight had had a huge amount of

(42:23):
pain in her left shoulder and she gained like a
pound and a half. And she said the rest of her
body felt better, but her shoulders still hurt.
And then another woman who gained a pound during
it said to me that she had had a big emotional
release the day after in a therapy session. And
then when she listened to it again, she lost a

(42:45):
half a pound. So I started to think that if
there's some big block that is really stubborn
and it doesn't let go, the stuff that we've
released kind of bumps up against it and goes
even more haywire. And so you end up with a
bigger traffic jam of more mass because this one

(43:05):
bit isn't moving through. And so, yeah, I'm
really curious, you know, with repeated listens,
what happens? So I listened about seven or eight
times in two weeks and I ended up losing a total
of seven pounds. And then I listened a few more
times and I kind of plateaued. So I lost seven
pounds in two weeks just listening to this

(43:27):
recording. Now I tend to be an outlier in most
things, so there's no guess I would agree with
that going to happen for anyone else, but that
was my experience and, but to me it's, it's
really intriguing and it's really worth
understanding better. I'm like, who can I talk to
about this? I actually, I did send an email to
the lead author on the paper about this and I

(43:49):
said, hey, I discovered in the energy field with
my team. I tried to, I mean, I tried to be a
little more scientific than that, but needless to
say, he did not reply. But I think I'm onto
something here.

Yes, yes, no. And yeah, it's all coming together
because I was saying that I listened to you
talking about the semi direct fermion on your
YouTube. I was like, okay, but now that I hear
you explaining the biofield, we conceive of it as
not having a mass, but you are absolutely finding

(44:24):
vibrationally there to be parts of it that have
the mass. But it's because the wave. How would
you explain that Is like, like the wave gets
knocked off track by a trauma or.

Yeah, I would say I would.

Locked up.

Yeah, I would say we're designed. Frozen, right?

Yeah.

And it just ends up getting frozen because of, of
the tension that's there. The tension in the
body, the tension from the memory, the chaos
pattern of the, the information field that is
holding that energy. Right. Because we're a
combination of energy and information and the
information is patterned and the energies flow
through that pattern. And so if you've got a

(45:06):
pattern of tension, that car accident that you
had that time you found out your partner was
cheating, that time you moved when you were 14,
you lost your whole posse and the kids at the new
school hated you. Do you mean these are all like
and so that is stopping that energy from moving
and it ends up going sideways. And what I
actually observed was that if it sort of went

(45:26):
sideways up, it had this feeling of hysteria or
of losing focus or, you know, get all like, ah.
So there was one way made you that way and then
the other way was more depressive. It was sort of
like shooting yourself in the foot, you know,
being down. So those were the sort of the two
directions of dysfunctionality that I found in

(45:48):
this. You know, you think about, they've gone the
wrong direction.

Yeah.

And. And they had qualities that I can associate
that I've seen with people in. In different moods
of dysfunction.

Right. So fascinating.

So fascinating.

And it's so funny like that that example you
chose to use. So I have, I have my daughter's
permission to discuss this. I've. I've shared it
before, but she had, she had some birth trauma.
She was getting ready to go off to college. So I
had her do some sessions of like, primitive
reflex integration. And she had also had a lot

(46:25):
of. Always carried extra weight that seemed
totally unrelated to diet, physical activity,
anything. It just would. That was just how she
was. And she did this, the primitive reflex
integration, which as I'm hearing you talk, I'm
like, oh, I bet it's working on a similar way.
And we did it for anxiety and she lost all this

(46:49):
weight after.

Wow.

And we, like, that was not the intention. And
it's funny because one of one of her traumas was
we moved in eighth grade and she lost all her
friends and no one at the new school liked her.

It's so exciting. It was the worst age to move.

It was the worst. We felt so bad. We, you know,
it was for my husband's job, so that was that.
But it, yeah, but again to what you're saying, we
can, we can rebound, we can unfreeze these
things. We don't have to stay stuck in this. In
whatever cycle got activated by these experiences.

Yep. We can absolutely free them. As simple as
running a pinion fork.

Through your field, through your field.

It's not that hard. And anybody can learn how to
do it. And in my first book, Tuning the Human
Biofield, there's a chapter on how, you know,
this is the basic steps of moving the fork
through the field. And if you want to do it, you
can't really do it with a cheap fork from Amazon.
You know, I was just going to.

Say, do you have a special one on your website or
something?

Yeah, the 174. So if anybody is intrigued by this
and wants to learn the language of vibration. My
174Hz fork is absolutely designed for this. And
my forks are different. They're made out of a
custom alloy that you can't get anywhere else
that has really strong mid tones, it has a long
duration ring time, it's got a lot of overtones
and undertones and in this particular frequency.

(48:16):
And remember, I've been doing this for a long
time. I've had a lot of prototypes made. I've
worked with a lot of different frequencies, many
tens of thousands of hours. So this is. Of all
the ones I've tried, this one is really the best
for this field. Combing, learning to hear, feel,
understand. I, when I first started doing it, I

(48:38):
really heard the differences. But when I started
teaching, I discovered that most people come to
this practice more kinesthetically oriented and
they don't always hear the changes first, but you
can feel it in your fingertips. You can feel when
you, if you just go slow, you have to go slow.
You go slow, you feel the change, you feel the

(48:58):
vibration change. When my kids were little, they
were like maybe 6 and 9. And this was before I
started teaching my first students. I used to
have really bad chronic mid back pain. And so I
tried and my husband is a carpenter, he wanted
nothing to do with my tuning forks. I'm like,
okay, it's on.

You have a good time, honey. I started going to
build something.

Exactly. I started teaching them how to do it and
they were like, mom, it's so subtle. And I was
like, learn to understand subtleties and women
will love you. So I got them trained early in
that their girlfriend thanked me. But I asked my
son and he, when he was six and he came up with
two really brilliant things. I was like, how can

(49:41):
you tell when you found something in the field?
He said, because the fork gets more vibrating.
Okay, that's it. Fork gets more vibrating. Six
year old can do it.

Okay, perfect.

And then I asked him, okay, and what exactly are
we doing when we're doing this work? And he said,
it's taking energy from where it doesn't belong
and putting it where it does belong so it can get
to work doing what it's supposed to do. What
isn't that brilliant? As best explanation. Best
explanation, perfect. Yeah.

So he, yeah, and he was just describing his
experience of it, what he was seeing, what he.
And that's it?

Yeah. So anybody can learn, right?

So we order the fork, we order the book and we
can just do it.

You can start and then if you find it really
intriguing. Then I would definitely recommend
coming and taking a training with us.

Do you do those in person?

Yeah, we do them in person in Vermont, San Diego
and Oregon and we do them online as well. So you
can do it virtually, you can do it in person. Uh,
it's a couple levels of training with some
homework in between. But people are always, you
know, who become tuners. It, it's life changing.
You know, it's that lifestyle of healing that you
want because you're always bathed in coherent

(51:01):
sound. Your job is to listen. So it trains your
brain to go from the beta state that most people
is always in into a quiet alpha state of
listening. So it trains your mind and your own
system to be quiet, to be regulated. And you
learn so much in every session about what it
means to be human. Plus in most cases, not,

(51:25):
certainly not all. It is absolutely not a fix
everything kind of thing, but it helpful for so
many. You get the satisfaction of knowing that
you helped get someone out of pain, improve
someone's quality of life, get them self
empowered enough to choose to leave a bad
situation. You know, you get to really, truly

(51:46):
help people and really see the very tangible
results of that. Which I think is, you know,
we're wired as humans I think for that to make us
feel good. So it's really gratifying and really
satisfying. And it's endlessly fascinating
because you're always learning the language of
vibration. Like one day you'll, you'll be working
on someone and you're all of a sudden the fork

(52:07):
will go into that what we call alarm. And then
you can consult your map and you can be like
okay, according to the biofield anatomy map, this
happened when you're around 23 and maybe relate
your father and then the person be like that's
when my father and I got into a car accident,
right? And you're like oh, that sound, that's

(52:27):
alarm, right? And like and now I know that that
sound means that or you'll hear that a fear in
something and you'll correlate it and you're like
wow, now I know what that sound means, right. And
so it's this very pure language that can't lie
and that you just can't help but learn because

(52:50):
you already intuitively instinctively know it
because your own body operates in that language.
So it's just endlessly fascinating as well. And
you know, for those of us to get bored easily and
I'm sure you're one of those people too. Meredith.

Guilty.

You won't get bored infinite it's infinite. Yeah.

I love it. Well, I really. Yeah, I might. I might
come to Vermont. We have a place in New
Hampshire, so I'm there a lot. I'm gonna look up
the dates. This sounds really fun. So I wanted to
ask you because you. I heard you tell this
incredible story, so you. You reading the

(53:32):
biofields in, you know, in person, people would
come to you, you would go to them, you would be
in the same room with. With the person. And then,
thanks to the lockdown lords, we were in person.
Appointments were not possible for a while, so
you started to do sessions remotely. And then

(53:53):
that was a whole other.

Yeah, no, it was actually in 2012.

Okay.

It was way before COVID It was 2012. So I. My. My
friend Dr. Carl Merritt, who's an MD in
California, had helped me with my master's
thesis. He went through it page by page with me
to make sure that everything was correct. So it
was above excellent. And. And then he said,
eileen, how'd you like to try doing this at a
distance? And people had asked me for years if I

(54:20):
could do it at a distance. And my. My response
was arrogant and skeptical. I was like, of course
not. Like, how dumb? Like, don't even ask me to
do that. You know, it just didn't seem possible
or plausible. It sounded ridiculous.

Well, and I understand because you're. You're.
You're in someone's biofield. So if the person's
not there, how can you be in their biofield? Oh,
well, then I guess physics.

Yeah. So then. But I am a scientist, right? And I
love experiments. I mean, I've spent my life
following my curiosity and experimenting, you
know, find out the natural world. I think I fall
in the category of what's called the national
natural scientist. Natural philosopher. So Carl
lay down on his treatment table in his office in

(55:06):
California. We were not on the phone or on Zoom
or anything. I pretended that he was on my
treatment table in Vermont. And I approached the
table.

You weren't connected in any way?

Did in any way? Nope. And I approached the table
like as if he was there. And much to my
amazement, the same pattern of information that
shows up around a person showed up around the
table. It totally blew my mind. And so I went
through. And at this point, I had really
understood the field, understood what was going
on. They went through this whole field, and I

(55:39):
took notes about all the things that I
encountered and things like, this is your mom's
personality, and you had a head injury when you
were five and you have inflammation in this Joint
and this organ isn't firing quite right. And, you
know, the age of this was really difficult. And,
like, all kinds of just the things that I
observed that the field tells me. And then we got

(56:00):
on the phone and I read my notes and he said,
eileen, all of those things are exactly correct.
And I felt a state change. I feel lighter. And I
tested my resting blood sugar before or after,
and there was a beneficial shift. And I was like,
oh, my God, like, get out of town. Like, now I
gotta eat pro. Because I've been, like, so
arrogant about how it's not possible. And now it
is possible, but, like, how is it possible?

(56:22):
Right? So then the next person that I did it on
was my friend Brendan Murphy, who was living in
Australia at the time. I'm like, okay, it works
from Vermont to California. We'll work all the
way to Australia. Same thing. No open line of
communication. Nailed him. Just completely nailed
him. And he also felt it. So then I started doing
distance sessions with no open line of

(56:44):
communication. And what that forced me to do was
to drill down even deeper in my understanding of
the language of vibration. Because I didn't have
somebody to be like, okay, I'm around 13 and it
feels kind of like this. You know what happened
then? I had to be like, okay, that. That is a
breakup. That is a first love breakup. I know.
That is the sound. There is a sound. Okay, this

(57:06):
is blown people away in the handful of times that
I found it. Very specific spot in the field,
right side of the sacral center. Relates to
shame. Out towards the edge of the Biofield. Age
6 or 7. Did you ask to go to the bathroom in
first grade and the teacher wouldn't let you go
and you peed at your desk. And they're me, like,
how do you know that there's a sound for that?

(57:26):
Like, that shame of just that kind of feeling of
like being at your desk because the teacher
wouldn't let you go. Like, and it blows people
away. They're like, you know, you're a witch,
you're psychic. I'm like, no, this is pattern
recognition. This is a specific sound in a
specific area of your field. This is science.
This is not me making this up. This is a pattern

(57:48):
that is the same in everybody who's had this
experience. Yeah. So then I started to work on
zoom after that, and then now that's the way that
I do it. But our two big studies on anxiety are
all over zoom. And so people are like, well, how
does this work? And so there's lots of different
ways you can expect. Explain it. But lately I've

(58:09):
been like, have you ever caught in the vibe of a
loved one? And then all like, a moment later you
get their text, like, how do you explain that?
Are you demanding the science be behind catching
someone's vibe or you just know that it happens?
Right, yeah. So we, we are connected non locally

(58:30):
through the ether. We are antennas. We are
broadcasting on specific frequency bands, and we
pick up the frequency transmissions through the
ether of each other. You know, we. We are all
like Google Docs on the World Wide Web, and I can
go in and pluck out your document. You know, we

(58:51):
can edit your document together in real time
through the ether. And, and it is real. It
happens. And I've trained, like I said, thousands
of people have done this. This, this hypothesis
has been tested countless times, always with the
same outcome. I can tune into your energy, I can
read your energy, I can shift your energy and you
can feel it. Therefore, there is a law of nature

(59:14):
that supports it. You cannot dismiss something
like this out of hand as pseudoscience. When it
is science, it is happening. It is repeatable.
There has to be a net.

It's all of the things required.

All the things required are there.

Yeah. And as we were saying earlier, it's like
you can't dismiss things that are happening. I
was delighted to see, like, the Telepathy tapes
were the number one podcast in all of the United
States, which is like tens of millions of
downloads.

Yeah, right. It is, absolutely. That podcast
series has taken the paradigm wall and made it
much thinner. You know, for those of us who've
been working to like, break down this paradigm of
materialism and get over the mind, the father
culture mind, that says these things are nonsense
and don't exist and you're all delusional and

(01:00:06):
people are like, they, you know, now all of a
sudden it's like, people are like, oh, like even
I have. I love my sister, but. But she's, you
know, kind of what some people in my group would
call a normie. And. And you, you know,
appreciates me, but, you know, has never been
very interested in anything. And she recently

(01:00:26):
read an article about a study in the University
of Virginia where they had basically proven
reincarnation through these kids accounts of
their past lives. And because in her mind, the
University of Virginia is a legit thing, and
whatever reported on it was legit, all of a

(01:00:46):
sudden her mind is open, and she actually asked
me to explain ether and distance healing to her.
Like, after all these years of me doing this, her
Mind was cracked open enough. She's like, no, I
really want to understand. I was like, wow, I
wasn't expecting this.

Meredith Oke (01:01:03):
Really? You do? Yeah. Those are the shifts.

Eileen McKusick (01:01:08):
Yeah, it's happening.

Those are the little shifts. Oh, that's amazing.
Yeah. Because. Yeah. Listening. I haven't
listened all of it, but even just the first
episode of that. Of that telepathy. And my big
takeaway was that it was like the union of the
doctor and the scientist with the creative
podcast producer who was like, let's tell this

(01:01:30):
story. And it took the two of them coming
together to break that wall. And I think, you
know, we've always, like, deferred. Maybe I'll
speak for myself. I always want to defer to the
science. Defer to the science and I'll. I'll
interview you or. But, you know, the rest of us
are just like, oh, on the sidelines of the

(01:01:51):
science. But you merged those two things
together. And what I really felt was the message
for me listening to that was that those of us who
can tell the story have a place, because the
science is all there. Like, it really is. It's
all there.

There's. There's.

We can like. It's there. It's just like in a
warehouse under lock and key, and no one's going
in to look at it.

Well, but plenty are, you know, and that's the
thing. I'm giving a keynote at the 66th Annual
Dowsers Convention coming up in May. And I'm
going to be talking about how people who have
been interested in these more esoteric things are
very often objects of ridicule by family members,

(01:02:39):
even by spouses, and how the time has come for
you to stand in your authority and speak
confidently about these things and not apologize
and not shrink and not feel bad about yourself,
because you are actually in the know. What you
know is backed up by science. And these people

(01:03:00):
who are arrogantly expressing skepticism were
like me with the distance sessions. Right. I was
like that. And. And very often you need some kind
of experience to change your mind. But I really
want to encourage those of us who have been kind
of shrinking around this topic to become more

(01:03:22):
confident, to find the studies, to share them, to
speak with confidence. Because you're not wrong.
They are actually wrong. Yes, they are ignorant
and you're not. And so that's something that I've
really had to learn to do over the years, is a
kind of verbal jujitsu with people who are
skeptics. And I've gotten so good at it that I

(01:03:43):
can Take any skeptic and within five minutes or
less change their mind simply by speaking with
confidence, citing scientific things, things that
make sense. If I can learn to do this, anyone can
learn to do this. And I really want to encourage
people to engage their inner warrior as we are
working to break down this last bit of this
paradigm because we need all of you, you know, on

(01:04:09):
this mechanistic worldview that really keeps us
all small, separate, diminishes us. We're heading
to a very different world in this age of
Aquarius, and it's going to take all of us to get
there.

Yes, all of that. Yes, I'm absolutely. And there
are so many brilliant people who feel. Who are a
little bit hiding and it's like, own it, own it,
own it. It's not. We're not the crazy ones. It's
like, I'm sorry, have you not updated your
paradigm lately? Like, what do you. Oh, you're
still, you still think that? Like, yeah, we are.

(01:04:45):
We're, you know, it's the beginning of the
beginning. But we are on the path and those
trying to block it, they just have, you know,
there's nothing left to stand on.

There's nothing left to stand on. Truly, there is
nothing left to stand on. And that's what we
really have to own, you know, for those of us the
bringers of the new paradigm, is to own that.

Love it. So I wanted to make sure people know how
to find you. So your website and then also I will
put in the link to the healing session that you
have generously made public at the moment. And if
people wanted to do the track their weight before

(01:05:28):
and after and send you, are you interested in
getting.

More results or collecting data points? What I'm
really interested in now because at first I was
like, okay, we'll do it once and see what
happens. But then when I did it repeatedly and
explain, experienced sort of steady and now I
sort of plateaued. And I didn't really wasn't
trying to lose weight. Like, this is just an
experiment that led to that. So I plateaued. But
I'm curious for people to do it, listen every day

(01:05:55):
for like a week and track that. Because I'm
curious if it in if there are other people who
are going to have the same experience that I did
and keep on going. So I'm also curious about the
people who, if anybody gains weight, what their
perspective is on their own emotional blockages
and how that might be getting in the way. But

(01:06:16):
either way, it's a great session. It's very
expanding. It just makes you feel lighter. It
gives you more energy. And, you know, the there
is a maybe share the YouTube video that kind of
gives it context, because.

Under the video.

Yeah. And so that's a place you could go to.
Report data is just in the comments on the
YouTube channel.

Oh, perfect. Okay, so we'll I'll put the exact
link in the show notes, but if you're driving and
just making a mental note, just look up Eileen
McKusick on YouTube. And it's one of the more
recent videos where she explains the semi direct
fermion mass changing non particle wave. Eileen,

(01:07:08):
thank you so very much for coming on. It's
absolutely delightful to speak with you. And my
world has been expanded. I appreciate it.

Yay. My pleasure, Meredith. Thanks for having me.

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