127: Dr. Stephen Hussey - Quantum Biology 101: How Light, Water, and Vibration Shape Your Health - The Quantum Biology Collective Podcast

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Meredith Oke (05:00):
Doctor Stephen Hussey, welcome back.

Dr. Stephen Hussey (05:04):
Good to be here. Good to be back.

Part 3. Love having you on. Okay, so let's just
start. We, you know, we have a lot of new
listeners to the podcast who are new, not just to
the podcast, but to the idea of, like, what do we
even mean by the words quantum biology,
biophysics, bioelectricity, chronobiology, like,

(05:27):
what are you all, what are you people all talking
about and how is it different from all the other
stuff? So let's just kick off, like if you could
give sort of your, your high level framework, the
paradigm that you operate out of when you think
about humans and health and biology.

Yeah. Well, I guess maybe this was intentional,
maybe it wasn't. But there has been, I think,
historically, maybe the last 200 years, I guess,
this push to make humans biochemical, to
understand humans or life in general as
biochemistry. And I guess kind of the focus has

(06:12):
been on that and it's influenced us to ignore all
the other stimuli that happen on this planet,
this universe. Different ways of, I guess
signaling is what you could say, or energy usage
or energy distribution or things like that. So,

(06:34):
so I think that when we talk about medicine, we
talk about biophysics or quantum biology, you
know, we're talking about how humans operate and
how that physiology works in many different ways.
So unfortunately, because of, I think nutrition
science and pharmaceutical science, that things

(06:54):
have come down to bio biochemistry. You know,
every medical student has biochemistry course. We
don't have quite quantum biology courses. And so
I remember you learn in there, you learn like,
okay, these molecules interact with these, and
then this step happens and this step happens and
this step happens and it's like this linear thing
that happens. And so that has led us to thinking
that we can control biology or influence biology

(07:16):
by taking this thing that affects a certain
biochemical pathway. And I'll never forget having
this realization that that was what all of
medicine was about, because I used to work in a
chiropractic clinic that was more or less down
the street from Virginia Tech School of Medicine
and Research Institute. And I would have all
these researchers come in or medical students,
and I'd say, what are you looking at? And they

(07:37):
describe some, you know, very small biochemical
pathway that they're investigating. And I was
just like, oh. And it was like that. And they
were like, I'm trying to, you know, manipulate
this pathway so that we can make a
pharmaceutical. And I'm just like, man, what a
reductionist way to try and understand something
or try and affect the body, you know, and so
we've kind of been.

So is it almost like that pathway was operating
in isolation? Like, I'm just going to manipulate
this one tiny little thing that's. But there was.
Without acknowledging that it may be interrelated
with everything else.

Exactly. And I like to think, yeah, and so that's
just kind of like reductionist. And it's like how
you're supposed to understand how something fully
works by studying one very small piece, let alone
one organ system or whatever. Like, because, you
know, medicine has all these specialists and
everything. So it's just. I was starting to think
about that because it was repetitive. Every
single one. I'd ask, they'd say, I'm studying

(08:32):
this particular thing. And I like to talk about
what I called. It's almost like an inform, a form
of inherited wealth. Like, you don't like, you
know, the. Like the scientists that are like the
heroes of history or whatever, that discover all
these things and these new techniques of studying
things. You know, the scientists of today are
just learning to stand on their shoulders and

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take the next step. But there was no humility
gained in the process of learning that original
information. And so the scientists today just
take the next step. And they don't think about
the context of what that means for either the
entire organism they're studying or the universe
itself or all life on the planet. They're just

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looking at it in these very simple ways because
we've got this technology to do that. And
research is largely funded by people with
interests that want to identify this pathway that
you can do something. So we're stuck in this
biochemical world. And then when I started
reading more and getting steered in the right

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direction, you start reading all these other ways
that the body physiology operates or all the
different signals that they can get. And so now
we're talking about magnetism, we're talking
about electricity, we're talking about light,
we're talking about just different forms of
energy, vibrations, sound, all these different
things. And you start to realize that all of them
influence our physiology. And so we can't just

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say, take a supplement or take a medication or
just eat food, really, and expect that
biochemistry to dictate how our entire physiology
is working. And so you look at deeper levels of
things and you start to see that, oh, the
mitochondria are emitting light, they're emitting
different forms of energy, and they communicate

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cell to cell, like. And they create
electromagnetic field, and then a bunch of
mitochondria create a bigger electromagnetic
field, and then a bunch of mitochondria in a
tissue create a bigger one. And that's why we
have electromagnetic fields in the body. And
that's my. It's almost like how I'm reaching out
into my environment and communicating with it.
And then you see all the effects of just sunlight

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on the skin or in the eyes and all the physiology
that that drives. And. And you're like, wow, this
is way more than just food. And it explains why
you know, people. The idea about health is like,
okay, diet and exercise, that's what keeps you
healthy. And the statistics show that more people
are exercising more and eating more whole foods
or better diets. Despite what, you know, this

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epidemic of heart disease, people. More people
are trying to do that, but it's not working
right. We still have this epidemic disease
because we're ignoring all this physiology. And
the other aspect is, is that there's an. There's
a certain part of this that I. Or there's a
certain level of this I don't think we'll ever
fully understand. And I think that makes us. Or

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it forces us to be humble about this. And instead
of trying to master the human body and study it
and change it, you know, manipulate it, that kind
of thing, with this biochemistry, we kind of have
to step back and be like, whoa. We just have to
put ourselves in the right environment and let
the body figure it out. Because, you know, in
mathematics, if you study the way two things

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interact with each other, you can predict the way
those two things are going to interact. But if
you get a third thing, it becomes harder. If you
get a fourth thing and how four things are
interacting, that becomes harder. You get 100
things, it becomes impossible. And then that's
exactly how the body works. There's no lock and
key mechanism that this happens and this happens
and this happens and this happens. It's like
something happens and then a hundred other things
happen at the same time. So they call it

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nonlinear reactions. And that's going to be
impossible to predict or control. So it forces
you. When you study quantum biology or
biophysics, it forces you to say, okay, I need to
put my body in the right environment of those
physics and the right stimuli, and then trust
that the body is going to do the right thing. We
just have to figure out what that environment is

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and study how the environments have changed and
made it the wrong environment over the last
however many years. You want to say.

Right. So when we think about the idea of, oh,
just take this pill, There may be situations
where taking medication is obviously needed or
helpful, but the idea that you can take an
exogenous substance and put it into the body

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without thinking about the environment that that
body is in. And the only response you're going to
have is the one that you want. Seems kind of
crazy.

Yeah. Or that there's not going to be side
effects or it's not going to affect other
physiology that you weren't even expecting. I
mean, in pharmaceutical science, they admit that
they're like, well, we were studying, trying to
make this effect and we saw the drug had this
effect, so we just use it for this instead.

Right.

You know, they weren't, they don't know. Like
there's, there's all these unaccounted for
things. The things we can never, never really
figure out.

Right. And the one that's coming to my mind,
because there's a lot of discussion on this topic
right now on social media is our SSRIs or
prescription medication for mental health. Right.
And you have people on there swearing that it
changed their lives. And then you have people on
there saying that it made them suicidal and it's

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the same. Right. Like they took the same thing.

Yeah.

So, you know, how can you predict what the
outcome is going to be if. And it. Part of. I
guess what we're missing is like, what else is
going on for those people? It's not, they're not,
you know, in terms of what could affect the

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consequence that that drug is going to have in
their body.

Yeah. Or even supplement. You know, I just
recently posted something about melatonin on
social media showing that it can stabilize plaque
and prevent plaque from rupturing. And somebody
on there was just like, well, we have to
supplement with it. Like, even though I was
saying, like, no, we need to, like, optimize
mitochondrial function and we need to set
circadian rhythm. That's how we get optimal

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melatonin. And they were like, well, as we age,
your melatonin production declines. And I was
just questioning them. Like, well, you know,
that's probably true, but it's probably going to
decline a lot more if we're in this environment
that is not suitable or not hospitable to our
physiology. So we have to change the environment

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too. We can't just take this thing and say, oh,
because I need more of it because it's declining
as I age. It's like, we also need to optimize the
environment. And so it's like, if we're, if
we're, if the message is, oh, just take more of
this, that's the wrong message. Like, you can use
supplements to Supplement your lifestyle. But you
have to tell the person about how to optimize the
lifestyle too, because I mean, there's pretty

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clear in the research that, you know, melatonin
acts like as an antioxidant, but endogenous
melatonin production is way better than
exogenous, meaning taking it as a supplement. So
as far as antioxidant, so that who knows what
else that's better as better at when we put
produce it inside our bodies and get ourselves in

(15:50):
the right environment. Plus the process of
creating that environment for just optimizing
melatonin is doing so many other beneficial
things for you. So it's not reductionist now. Now
we're getting all the benefits rather than just
saying, oh, I'm doing this for this one thing.
No, you're doing it for everything, for every
single hormone. And that's kind of the message we
need to be giving people. And then here and
there, yes, we can selectively say, okay, let's

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support you with this supplement or that
supplement, but if you don't get the environment
right, those things aren't going to work as well
anyways.

Right. And then the, like the cascade effect of
optimizing your environment is a beneficial
cascade as opposed to a cascade of side effects.

Yeah. Or unpredictable things.

Okay, so let's get into the heart, which is an
area of focus for you. You've written a book on
it and we talked about it a little bit in our
first interview. So let's circle back to what
your, you know, your take on the heart is in
terms of it. Our common understanding is that

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it's a pump. You have a different point of view
and then you've also gone down even into like
some deeper layers of how you see the heart in
terms of our overall biology and perhaps biofield.

Yeah, definitely. So, yeah, I mean, the term like
the heart is not a pump is thrown around a lot
these days, made pretty famous by Tom Cowan. And
I don't necessarily agree that it's not a pump
per se, but it's definitely not a pressure
propulsion pump, which is what it's thought that
it is. Like it's sucking in blood from somewhere

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and then forcefully pumping out somewhere else.
That's not how the heart works. And there's a ton
of literature mainly. I mean, the best source for
most of that literature is Dr. Franco first book,
the Heart in Circulation. But yeah, so it's first
of all, if you just look at the heart and the
size of it, and there were studies way back in
the 17, 1800s that were when the original

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circulation of the heart was being described or
circulation of blood was being described, that
cast a doubt on the idea that the heart of this
size could forcefully pump all the blood around
the body and, and do that efficiently. And
there's modern day studies that show that if we
look at the heart as a pressure propulsion pump,
it's about 30% efficient, which if you believe we

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were designed or evolved or whatever, that's not
an efficient way to do something. So it must not
be its job or suggest that maybe it's not. Its
job is to forcefully move blood. And so there's
evidence with structured water and how blood
moves in other ways. Paramagnetism, electrostatic
properties, there's ways that blood moves through
the body that they don't require this pressure

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propulsion pump. And they've actually shown in
Dr. Pollock's lab that when they stop the heart
of a chick embryo, the blood continues to move.
And they can create more movement in blood if
they shine infrared light on the arteries. And
they showed that too. Back in the 1940s and the
1960s, there were experiments done on dogs where
they stopped the heart and the blood continued to
move for up to two hours after the heart stopped

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beating. So there's definitely a lot of evidence
to suggest that blood has other ways to move. And
so that begs the question of what is the heart,
why is it there, what is it doing? And the first
thing that it's doing is that it's actually a
vortex. I just read an 800 page book about the
heart's vortex and it was hard to get through

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because it was very, very scientific, even lots
of parts above my head. But yeah, it's definitely
well recognized in the literature that as blood
moves through the heart, it is vortexed in many
different ways. Whether it's moving through
valves, the way that flows into the heart, the
way the heart contracts in a spiral, like nature,
like the heart is vortexing blood. And the reason

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it's doing that is because of new vortex water,
which the blood is half water in the presence of
oxygen, which oxygen is always present in blood,
then it will become energized, it will become
more likely to become structured water when it
gets into the lining of the arteries. And when it
becomes structured water on the lining of the
arteries, that's what propels blood flow, that's

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what keeps blood moving. So in a way, the heart
is responsible for blood flow in that way, but
just in a very indirect way. So that's one
purpose of the heart, is that it's kind of
swishing the blood around, which is the way water
is in nature. It's always moving and being
swished around. It's crashing on the beach, it's
rolling over rocks and rivers. It's evaporated,
precipitating, it's moving. And when water gets

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stagnant in nature, like in a puddle or a pond,
it's kind of gross. Right. And so to keep things
clean and moving, we have to. We have to keep it
moving. But in laminar tubes, that doesn't do the
swishing around. Right. It kind of keeps things
moving linearly, and that can create less
energized water. So why is there this thing
placed right in the middle of the arterial and

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venous circulation that swishes blood around?
Because we need it to be swished around. And
that's one role of the heart. Right. So, I mean,
again, like, if there was a pressure propulsion
pump, we wouldn't. Like, if you want to pump
water up a hill, you put the pump at the bottom
of the hill. So if we want to pump water from our
blood, from our feet to our head or whatever, we

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put the pump at the bottom. But the. Our heart's
in the middle of everything, so it doesn't make
sense for it to be there if it was a true
pressure propulsion pump. So, yeah, there's other
mechanisms of blood movement, and the heart is
vortexing. And there's interesting studies that
show that when you increase the blood flow,
artificially increased blood flow, that the heart

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actually just. The valves just kind of open and
let it kind of go through. And so we're not
talking about cardiac output, like the cart, the
heart is pumping out this fluid. It's more like
cardiac throughput, like the amount that's moving
through and they've increased the heart rate or
the artificially increased heart rate of the
heart and how much it's contracting. And the
blood flow stayed the same, like the amount of

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blood moving through stayed the same because it's
just how fast it's contracting, it's not how fast
it's pumping. If you want to increase blood flow,
then you increase the cardiac throughput and how
much is moving through it. So interesting. So
that's the first role.

So is that why exercise is so good? We're
increasing that blood flow or infrared saunas or
what's happening to our blood when we move and.
And move and expose ourselves to healthy light?

Yeah. So, you know, there's a lot of reasons why
those things are good, but one is, yes, you're
like, you're increasing tissue demand for blood.
And the tissue demand is what drives blood flow.
You know, if there's areas like if your tissues
start using up certain nutrients or oxygen or
whatever, then the concentration gradient of

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those things and the tissues drops and the blood
is drawn to it because, you know, areas of high
concentration flow to areas of low concentration.
So if you deplete the tissues, the blood will
want to go into the tissues more. So that's
what's driving blood flow. And the heart is just
catching up. It's just keeping pace with how much
blood is moving. So yes, if you increase blood
flow by sitting in an infrared sauna because

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you're building structures, water and lining the
arteries, increasing blood flow. Yes, your heart
rate will increase. If I go sit in the sun, my
heart rate will increase, not drastically because
I'm not creating a huge tissue demand because I'm
not exercising, but it'll increase because I'm
increasing blood flow. And the heart's just
trying to catch up. It's trying to energize or
structure that blood as it moves through there as
more blood is moving through the heart.

So what's happening if someone is out of shape or
not? Well, and they get out of breath very
easily, or their heart pumps really fast, really
quickly, even with minimum exertion. What's going
on with that?

That's more like they're having trouble adapting
to stress, which exercise is a stress. So then
they start to try and exercise and their body
goes into an acute stress response, which is an
adrenaline response. And so when you're doing
that, you're telling your body we're in danger.
And so that's kind of this old evolved response.

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And so that's having more of like a hormone
effect, signaling effect. Like your body's going
through this thing that it is not used to doing.
And it's like, something must be wrong. We must
have a stress response. So if they can't handle
that stress and return to normal, return to
homeostasis. That's poor health. Right. So
health. To me, one way to define health is the

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ability to handle a stress healthily, adapt to it
and return to homeostasis. If you can't do that,
there's, there's poor health. So you could talk
about that as simple as a high glucose meal. You
know, can you handle that glucose meal, adapt to
it, use that glucose properly through insulin
signaling and then, and then return to

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homeostasis. Normally if you can't, that's type 2
diabetes. You know, if you can go, you know,
sprint 50 yards. And you can handle that and your
body figures it out and then you can return to
homeostasis within a normal amount of time.
That's more healthy than someone who can't do
that. So that's more of like a stress response.

That's really interesting because we think about
it as, as being unfit, but the lack. What we're.
But what you're saying is unfit is our body's
inability to handle these different states.

Yeah, I'd say it's almost like a shock to the
body to do that when you've never trained it to
do it, you know, or haven't trained to do it for
a long time. And so the body's having a response
that's having a stress response. It thinks it's
under threat almost.

Right. So just one more thing on this, because I
heard, I think it was, it was Dave Asprey
actually, and he was saying that what he, what
he's come to in his understanding is that this,
the high intensity things that we do where we
like go really hard and then rest and then go
really hard and then rest is actually maladaptive

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because in evolutionary we would go really hard
and then we'd be out of danger and we'd, we
wouldn't keep doing it over and over. So his
recommendation was more just like, sprint really
fast one time instead of over and over and then
let your body recover. What are your thoughts?

I mean, I, I don't know what our ancestors did
exactly. You could theorize, you know, but they
may have had to sprint a few different times if
they were on a hunt, you know, a few different 50
yard sprints or something like that. But yeah, it
wasn't excessive. I mean, once they caught the
meal or didn't catch the meal, they're like, all
right, I gotta recover. Especially if they didn't
catch the meal, they really gotta recover because
they're not getting any, any nutrients to replace

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or whatever. But I would tend to agree with them
that you could probably get the same benefits
with one sprint. You know, there's really good
evidence that we're spending way too much time
working out. You know, I, for the last two years
now, I've been like, when I do lift weights, I
just do one set to failure. I do a push exercise,

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a pull exercise and a leg exercise to failure.
And I have maintained and gained muscle from
doing that. So I'm like in there for 15 minutes.
I almost feel guilty, you know.

Wow. So when you say to failure, it's like you
just do it till you can't do it anymore. And then
you stop.

Yeah, you really have to push. Like, it's. At
first, it's hard to learn to go to failure.
You're kind of like, oh, I'm tired. It's like,
no, not tired. Like, you need to go to where.

You, like, you literally can't move the thing
even, Right.

You have to. You know, if you're lifting weights,
you gotta be careful with that. You gotta make
sure that it's like a machine or something, or
you're really safely set up on a squat or
something like that. Cause it's kind of intense
to go to failure with those types of lifts. But,
yeah, it's more efficient. I want to buy a weight
set for my garage and do it so I can open the

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garage and work an outdoor light. But it's like,
I can't justify buying that expensive of a thing
if I'm in there for 15 minutes twice a week. So,
yeah, I just go to the gym. But yeah, and then
other forms of exercise are good too, but you can
get the same benefits. So doing that kind of
stuff so it makes sense, like, you challenge the

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tissue, you tell it wasn't good enough, and it
rebuilds stronger.

Right? I've heard that story. I mean, I hear that
story from everyone who has adopted a sort of
quantum circadian lifestyle that they just don't
exercise as much and they're in better shape.
Like, they still exercise. I'm not saying they
don't, but this idea that maxing out on the

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hardcore exercise is the only way just doesn't
seem to be the case.

And it's kind of a misnomer of like, doing
cardio, you know, because, I mean, cardio, like
getting your heart rate up and, and. But even
just walking or whatever is. Is good for you, but
more cardio is not good for you. Like, if you do
like super long endurance type stuff, that is.
That is not healthy, in my opinion. It causes
more inflammation because again, we're. We're

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putting ourselves in that stress state for too
long. And there's people that argue that we're
born to run. There's a book about it even. But if
you look at lots of studies, especially
cardiovascularly, people who've run more long
endurance races have more scar tissue in the
heart, they have more atherosclerosis because
they're just in this higher inflamed state. And

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people argue, well, were these people on
carbohydrate diets? And maybe they were, maybe
they weren't. But regardless, the response to
exercise is a hormetic stress. It's an
inflammatory thing. And so you want to do. It's
like there's a Goldilocks amount. You want to do
enough of it to tell your body to get better and
adapt to a stress better, but not overdo it. And
I think that we've kind of overdone it or we've

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been programmed to overdo it if we don't get to
the gym, you know. But Dave Asprey's one to say
that, like back when he was unhealthy, he was
like, man, I was in the gym all the time and I
was just still super unhealthy. It wasn't
working. He was probably making it worse at that
point by inflaming the body without being able to
adapt to it, because there's other things he had
wrong about his environment that were wrong. So,

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yeah, it's interesting, but you can get very
efficient exercise done in a very quick amount of
time that's just as effective. And the book Body
by Science by Doug McGuff, he's been doing that
for 30 years in his clinic, helping people
maintain muscle mass in that way. And he's got
all the stats and data to show it.

Oh, cool. We'll have to link to that book. We've
talked about the heart in terms of the new
paradigm function of the heart, which is as a
vortex. We have the blood circulating through
various mechanisms, not necessarily being pumped.

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The heart is a vortex that swishes it around,
keep it fresh. Like the same way we want our
spring water bubbling over the rocks and not
sitting in a stagnant pond. Tell me about where
you're at with the, say more esoteric meanings

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and importance of the heart.

Yeah, well, if you look at like every single
ancient cultures, like writings about the heart,
whether it's ancient Egypt, Sumeria, Indian,
Chinese, even Egyptian, they, they all describe
the heart as. I forget which one it is. I think
it's Chinese that tastes the orchestrator of the

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body. And they, they describe it as like almost
the seat of the soul. You know, this is the
understanding. And it wasn't like all these
ancient civilizations were all talking to each
other, had the same thinking or philosophies. But
they all came to that conclusion and so they were

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right. You know, I think that every organ has an
electromagnetic field. It gives off. But the
hearts is the largest, which we'll get to. But
they felt that, I think they didn't necessarily
have to have any concrete proof or measure
anything. They just. That's what they felt. And,
you know, there's a reason that we, I think,
associate the heart with our emotional state. And

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we say, I love you with all my heart. And we say,
I gave it all my heart. You know, you can put
your mind to something, but when it comes to
emotion, you're usually talking about your heart,
not your kidneys or whatever. And so I don't
think that's by mistake. However, in this really
interesting story, it was King Charles, I think
it was. So there was this Irish nobleman who had

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fallen and injured himself, and he. And it, like,
broke ribs and they kind of broke apart and it
abscessed. And it healed, though, but it healed
in a way that his heart was visible, you know,
and there was no, like, you know, open wound or
anything. Like, it healed, but it healed. Like
you could see his heart. And so he became like
this guy that traveled around and, like, charged

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money for people to see his heart beating and
stuff like this. Anyways, he was near London and.
Or near wherever the king was in England. And the
king heard about it and he told William Harvey,
who. William Harvey is a very famous physician
because he was the original person that described
the circulation of the blood. That's what he's
known for. He wrote Dumotu Cordis, which is the
book that describes that. And he was the king's
personal physician at the time. And he said. He

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said, find that guy and bring him here. We want
to see this. And so they brought him in and they.
And they go and they examine the heart. And
William Harvey notes that, you know, he was able
to feel the. The man's heart and feel it beating
and right there. And he said, with no offense to
this man, so. Meaning that. That the guy couldn't
feel it. Like you're touching the organ and he

(33:53):
couldn't feel it. You could feel, like the
outside you're touching him, but he couldn't feel
when you touched him inside. So he said it kind
of led to this idea that the heart has no senses.
There's no, like, no feeling, you know, combined
with the fact that Harvey also described the
mechanical circulation of the blood in the body
and saw the heart as kind of this pump that was

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driving that circulation. That's when I forget
when this was. I think it was like 1600s or
something. I don't know. That's within. The idea
started to move away from the heart being this
seed of the soul and, you know, I guess sensor of
our emotions and things like that, more toward
this mechanical organ. And that's kind of taken
Off. And then now we're coming back full circle

(34:36):
with the work of Roland McCready and the
HeartMath Institute. And we're finding out that
the heart does have this very large
electromagnetic field that allows it to touch or
sense not only our external environment, but also
kind of orchestrate or sync up the entire
internal environment, all the other organs. So
all the other organs, electromagnetic fields are
being sort of aligned with how the heart's

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electromagnetic field and what it's feeling. And
then the most fascinating thing is that we've
also got studies now that we've, we've I guess
developed the ability to do heart transplants is
that there are studies that show that, that
recipients of a heart transplant tend to take on
characteristics or personality traits of the

(35:21):
donor. So there's something about the emotion or
personality or something that is stored in the
heart and maybe, maybe all organs as well. But
since the heart has the biggest electromagnetic
field, like what they do is they. They interview
the people in the donor's life and they interview
people in the recipient's life and the recipient

(35:41):
themselves. And they find that anything from like
preferences in music, art, sexual preferences,
career preferences tend to show up in the
recipient from what the donors were that were
different than before. So it's fascinating.
There's way more to like memory and to our
tissues and probably stored in structured water

(36:01):
in the body. But when you transfer it to somebody
else, it can change them a little bit. So I think
that the ancients were onto something in that
this was the seed of the soul. This kind of made
us who we are, where lots of our personality was
stored or emotional personality was stored maybe.
And so it's very interesting. That's the, that's

(36:23):
the third role of the heart. I mean, we've all
been heartbroken, you know, and there's actually
a disease that can happen when you become
heartbroken. It's called Takatsubo
cardiomyopathy, which is basically broken heart
syndrome. You develop heart failure because
you're broken hearted due to extreme emotional
states. And there's mechanisms of heart attacks

(36:44):
that can happen due to imbalanced stress
signaling to the heart. Emotional stress
signaling can trigger a heart attack if you get
into the right situation. And I've talked about
that in other places and I talk about that in my
book too. So there's this extreme emotional
connection to this organ. And so I think that it
is what allows us to a create what they call

(37:05):
coherence or unfortunately convey incoherence.
And so we talk about, from a quantum aspect of
Things and quantum biology and how the body
works. We're talking about interbody
communication and how our body communicates
externally to the environment. And it doesn't do
that through biochemistry. It does that through
biophysics. It does that through the fascia

(37:28):
system in our body is conducting information and
electrons and protons all throughout our body.
And the mitochondria are communicating
electromagnetically as well as through light
signaling and reactive oxygen species signaling
and quantum entanglement. When two molecules get
entangled and they separate and they're still
communicating from a distance, all those things.

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And then the heart's electromagnetic field is
kind of like sensing all that or monitoring all
that and picking up your level of interbody
coherence, interbody communication that's
happening and it's sensing that, and it's
conveying that information to the brain. And we
have evidence that it conveys that
electromagnetically as well as neurologically
through nerves. And there's more signals from the

(38:14):
heart to the brain. And then the brain is picking
up the messages. The brain is always just an
interpretation center, sensing our. Or like
picking up all the information that we're sensing
from our environment, interpreting it, and then
relaying it to the body so that it can have the
appropriate response. But the sensory information
or the emotional sensory information is coming
from the heart to the brain. And so then the

(38:37):
brain responds accordingly. And so it's. It's a
very important role because if you think about
senses and what the senses allow us to do, they
allow us to interact and respond to our
environment. And a species or an individual that
cannot interact or respond to his environment
doesn't last very long. And so because it can't

(38:57):
change, it can't react to it, get out of harm's
way or whatever. And so that's a very, very
important role for the heart and it's especially
important for humans because we have this unique
ability to worry and think about things in a way
that other species can't because of how large our
prefrontal cortex is. I'm not saying that other

(39:17):
species don't, but we have a cognitive ability
that's much higher. We're, as far as I know, the
only species that can think our way into a stress
response just by overthinking something or seeing
something happen to somebody else and then
feeling like, fearing it's going to happen to us,
you know, or seeing something happen halfway
across the world that doesn't affect our life at
all, but stress being stressed about it, you

(39:39):
know, and that's one of the issues with, with
Media and being able to, you know, information
being pumped all over the world, is that our
physiology is not necessarily designed to handle
all that. But yeah, it's, it's, it's fascinating
when you, when you dig into that and you also
realize that this organ is what allows us to
connect to others. And heart coherence, like
someone who's incoherent is able to. Is able to

(40:02):
relate and connect to others in a more healthy
way. And someone who's incoherent feels like
they're on their own, they're isolated. You know,
if you can't reach out and touch and feel the
things around you and the people and the living
things around you, you feel isolated. It's like
alone in a crowded room sort of thing. And it's
what we describe with people who have depression.
They kind of become isolated, they feel isolated.

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Even if they have people around them, they can't
reach out and feel them. And it's because they
have this incoherence. And that could be from a
lot of different things, from past traumas that
people have, or physical or emotional traumas or
just poor mitochondrial health. I mean, we think
about what Chris Palmer's doing with low carb

(40:45):
diets and fixing people's mental health by
changing their mitochondrial health. And there's
probably way more they could do as well as diet.
But we're seeing the impact that they're having
because we're changing their mitochondria,
increasing their body communication. Their
heart's picking up on that. It's conveying to the
brain. We're getting more coherent signals, and
the person is now interacting with the
environment more. And then maybe I've said a lot

(41:08):
of things, but the most fascinating thing I
think, is that it appears that this very large
electromagnetic field that is being created by
the heart is a result of the fact that a, there's
a lot of mitochondria concentrated in the heart.
It's one of the tissues with the highest density.
The brain, the eyes, the heart have very high

(41:30):
amounts of mitochondria. And like I briefly
mentioned before, the mitochondria are creating
electromagnetic field. And you concentrate a lot
of mitochondria in an area that get a bigger
electromagnetic field. But the brains are similar
mitochondrial content to the heart. So why is the
heart so much bigger? It's because the heart is
spinning like this. And when you vortex or spiral

(41:51):
electromagnetic field, it amplifies the field
significantly. And so it's the only organ in the
body, aside from the lungs, that is moving. And
it's moving in a way that spins. So it's creating
a toroidal force. This is just amplifying this
field and that's why. And so if you get someone
with heart failure and the heart is not

(42:14):
contracting like this and the spinning nature, it
starts to become like a basketball and it's doing
this, their field significantly drops and that's
a problem. Right. Also the poor mitochondrial
function in people with heart failure too, that's
one of the causes. So we're starting to
understand the symptoms these people are having.
They're getting lack of blood flow. There's more

(42:36):
likely to be depressed when you get heart
failure. And there's debate about whether that's
because they have heart failure that's not
improving or because I would say that the
coherence is interfered with because
electromagnetic field is smaller. But the
electromagnetic field and the torsion seem to be

(42:57):
coupled together. So we don't know which one's
creating which because there's evidence that a
torsional field will create an electromagnetic
field, an electromagnetic field will create
torsion. So I don't know which one it is. They're
very coupled together. If you mess with one, the
other's probably going to be off. But it's a very
kind of delicate system that's put together and
lots of things about our modern day environment

(43:17):
are affecting that. Like my go tos for people
with arrhythmias and heart failure are EMF
environment. Past trauma could be as simple as
just low electrolytes and then oh gosh, what's
the fourth one? Circadian rhythm. So like all
those different things, those four things, like
you have to set those things and create coherence

(43:37):
for the heart to get back online, whether it's
arrhythmia or heart failure.

So much to think about and so interesting too
about the magnetic field of the heart because we
hear about that a lot, but it's because of the
motion. And for example, I know in my work as a
coach, if I'm supporting someone to start a new

(44:09):
business or create a new offer, if their heart's
not in it, if it's like a purely mental
construct, I know it's not going to work. And
I've. And it's interesting because you're now
giving me the scientific reason why. Right.
Because the, what we put out in the world is

(44:30):
coming emanating from us. And if our heart's not
in it, it's not. There's no field like the, the
possibility to entangle is reduced, would you say?

Yeah, the ability to Reach out into your
environment and sense things is reduced. And if
you can't sense your environment, how can you
make educated decisions? But I just thought of
this when you were talking. Think about it. If we
see something stressful or we see something that
may be a threat, our heart rate increases. And

(45:03):
the traditional, I guess, thinking about that is
that you're trying to deliver nutrients to
tissues in case you need to run away. You know,
you need to supply those tissues with nutrients,
oxygen, whatever. And that, that's interesting.
That could be. But it could also serve us in that
if we increase the heart rate, we're increasing
the, you know, contraction of the heart in this

(45:24):
spiral nature, which may be amplifying the field
more, which means we're becoming hyper aware of
our environment, we're reaching out further and
we're like, hey, let's sense the environment,
let's keep ourselves safe. So there's more than
just this biochemical reason why we would have a
stress response. Right. It's putting us on high
alert in many different ways.

Absolutely. And then similar to that, but a
different situation would be if, like, I just
started a new type of meditation and I noticed
that I have a much higher alertness after, like
that. The way you just described it, when we
sense danger, all of a sudden it's heightened.

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But we can also get there other ways which would
make sense if the meditation is creating
coherence.

Yeah, you're coming back into your heart space.
People would say, right, and if you're coming
back into your heart space, you become more aware
of things that you were distracted from by your
mind. Because there was this even like in ancient
Roman or ancient Greek philosophers, there was
kind of this divide. Like some of them thought
that, you know, the heart was the seed of the

(46:37):
soul. And then they were starting to say, maybe
it's the mind. Because they were, I think they
were probably becoming a bit arrogant about
knowledge they were gaining because it was a time
when lots of knowledge was gained potentially. I
don't know, but they were coming toward the mind.
And so coming back into your heart space, you,
you learn to interact with the environment. You

(46:57):
notice more things about your environment than
you would if you were just in your mind. You were
only thinking about what your mind and what your,
what your senses. You know, like you're seeing in
front of you right then and there. Rather than
coming back into a more reflective state and
noticing things and what that means and that kind
of stuff.

It'S having intuitions and.

Yeah, because then, like, if you think about it,
if you're stuck in your mind, you're stuck in the
present, you know, but if we talk about, if we
talk about the heart being what accesses, you
know, you know, your, the ether around you. And
if everything, all consciousness is stored in the

(47:37):
ether, then of course you're reflecting about,
you know, past, present, intuition. You're
getting all these different information from
time. That's not right now like being distracted
by right now, you know, because it's the organ
that allows us to connect to that. So. Or if
you're reaching out to someone else with your
heart rather than with your mind and trying to

(47:58):
force them to do something, but you're reaching
out with your heart, you're probably going to
learn a lot more about them and understand them a
lot better because you're reaching with that
heart which allows you to see not just what
you're seeing, the behavior you're seeing in them
right now, but probably a lot more information
about them from their past or whatever. It opens
you up to seeing those types of things.

So cool. I love these conversations and it's, you
know what I love too is that like I've been
contemplating these ideas for a while and I
always was like, okay, I have to go to the woo
Woo people and everything that most of the things
they say make sense and feel true. But it didn't.

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But then the science people would be.

Like, no, no, no.

And now it's just like open season everything.
Like the looking at life through the idea of
physics is just like a whole new, we're in a
whole new paradigm, a whole new world. Like all
of these things just make sense.

Yeah. And that's the thing is that like, and you
stuck, you're stuck in the science world, the
biochemical science world. Everybody's just
trying to prove that different biochemical
equations are more, more important or prove this
or prove that. Whereas when you get into this
space, there's a lot of science, right? And we
see a lot of science and we're saying but they
were also like, but we know that's true, you

(49:25):
know, because we feel that, you know, we, that
science just explained that we're like, yeah,
that makes total sense because I felt that before.

It's funny when I talk to people like from the,
from, from the woo world or the energy space and
I give them like the, you know, two, two line
explanation of quantum biology and say, you know,
like it's showing or proving that there are
quantum effects happening inside living systems.
They, oh, the, the woo woo people are always

(49:55):
like, people didn't know that.

They lost touch with it because they're living in
this is news.

Like, they just, like they're just looking at me
like, well, of course that's how it works. Like,
who doubted that? Like, well, yeah, everybody
else. Okay, so I want to wrap up on a topic
that's a little bit tricky, but I think really

(50:23):
worth talking about and helpful to talk about.
You sort of framed your, your take on biology for
us at the beginning has, has a lot to do with the
structured water in our bodies and interbody
communication and how, you know what, obviously
what we put in our body is having an effect from.

(50:44):
Through this paradigm is having an effect beyond
what you would anticipate through a biochemical
model. Okay, now we are talking. It's 20, 25. A
few years ago there was a mass rollout of a new

(51:06):
pharmaceutical product that was injected into
many, many millions of people's bodies. And as
we've been learning over the last few years, of
course had a cascade effect that was
unanticipated because they're working out of a
old fashioned model of biology. However, that the

(51:29):
effects of those injections are still, you know,
we're still grappling with them. Some of the
effects were immediate, some of them were a
little longer term. So we're a few years out from
the major rollout now. And I know that you're
very well versed and very well researched on this
topic. So I just wanted to hear where you think
we're at, what you think is going on with those

(51:52):
products and for people who took them, if there's
anything that they can do.

Yeah, well, I have kind of been like, I had been
kind of loosely aware of these things and just
like kind of paying attention to them and keeping
up with, you know, the, the news and stuff was
coming out and. But I was reading a book by
Gilbert Ling, I don't remember which one of his
books I was reading, but he was talking about an

(52:20):
experiment that he did and he was using ethylene
glycol to inject into cells. For some reason, and
I can't remember the reason because I was so
blown away. I was like, ethylene glycol. I was
like, I know that substance. And then I was like,
I think that's in these injections. So I went and
looked it up and in fact, in two of the brands,

(52:44):
polyethylene glycol was in them. And polyethylene
glycol is by definition just a string of ethylene
glycols. They've Put.

Which is what for us?

Well, ethylene glycol, I think actually
polyethylene glycol is like antifreeze. Oh, yeah.
So if you sprayed it on your frozen car window,
it would melt it. Or you. You put it to something
if you don't want it to freeze.

Yeah, but isn't that the stuff. They're like,
careful while you put this. So your dog doesn't
get it because it's toxic.

Yeah, definitely.

Okay.

Yeah. And, you know, there's polyethylene glycol
in a lot of different products that we. That
people, maybe not you and I, I don't know,
consume on, on a regular basis. It can be in,
like, toothpaste, it can be in a lot of different
things. But however, when you ingest it, it
doesn't seem to be that much of an issue. Your
body seems to get rid of it pretty easily. It has

(53:37):
the mechanisms that just get rid of it. Even if
you absorb some of it in your liver, gets rid of
it pretty easily in those small amounts anyways.
However, if you inject it and go past those
barriers that use to eliminate it, that can cause
a problem. So anyways, what Dr. Ling found was
that he was injecting it. And again, I don't

(53:59):
remember why he was doing this in his experiment,
but he would inject it into a cell, the ethylene
glycol. And at first he saw the cell would start
to shrink a little bit. Just like very briefly,
it would shrink, and then it would just all of a
sudden start to expand. Like, the CE would get
huge. So if we think about what's in the cell, a
cell is largely. What largely fills the cell is

(54:19):
structured water. And so structured water is. So,
like, when you take water and you freeze it, it
becomes less dense, or so it just expands. Ice
expands. That's why if you put. If you freeze
water in a glass bottle, it'll break the bottle.
Right. However, structured water is actually more
dense. So it kind of shrinks. So if we get liquid

(54:39):
water, the space that the water is becomes more
dense. Right. And so that's what a cell is. Is
this. This more dense structure water or a large
portion of the cell is this more dense,
structured water? And then he injected
polyethylene glycol into it, and he saw at first,
like this, very momentarily shrinking and then
just expanding. Right. So what was happening is
that the structured water was being destroyed and

(55:00):
it was going back to liquid water, which means no
more area. Like, it creates bigger. So basically,
ethylene glycol was destroying structured water.
And that's what he found, that it interfered with
structured water's ability to form. So you take
that and you realize that here it is in these
injections.

And then, okay, sorry, I just want to make sure I
have it. So the cell is made of structured water.
Gilbert Ling did experiments for unknown reasons
that don't matter, but he put this ingredient
into the cell and it damaged the structured water.

Yes, like it broke it up and it turned, it went
back to liquid water because there's liquid water
in the cell.

So it like pulled it out of the fourth phase and
put it back into regular water, right?

Yeah, it caused a phase transition. Right. You
know.

Okay.

Away from fourth phase back to liquid water. And
that created this swelling of the cells, which is
exactly what happens when we get swelling in our
tissue. Right. If you, if your tissue swells,
it's because there's a damage. The status quo is
damaged. It can't maintain structured water. And
we start to get the swelling of the tissue while
this healing response happens. And there's also
blood flow increases to the area and lots of

(56:12):
things happen to try and heal it. But that's one
reason that we get swelling. So anyways, so then
I was like, oh, well, that's interesting. So now
we can understand that there's a certain
ingredient. And then there's also Polysorbate 80,
which is in the other two brands that we of the
injection that were out there. And it's been
shown to have similar like effects to
polyethylene glycol or ethylene glycol. So

(56:35):
anyways, so we're injecting this past. We're not
ingesting it so we can get rid of it pretty
easily. We're injecting it right into the
tissues, which is surpassing that natural
mechanism. We're not supposed to have things
injected necessarily.

Was the thinking, oh, this is non toxic because
when people ingest it, they're able to get rid of
it. Or was there just not any thinking was, who
knows?

It could have just been that, you know, for these
types of things to quote unquote, work, there has
to be something to aggravate the immune system.
Maybe that was it. I don't know. I'm not sure
exactly why they use them. I didn't go too far
into that, but they're in there.

Okay.

And so if we look at that and we recognize that
now we've injected this, you know, large amount
of stuff that can destroy structured water. Well,
you know, look at some of the side effects of
these injections. And it's not just these
injections, it's other injections too. It's just
likely that other toxins do the same thing. But

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when you look at the side effects, one of them
you just have a local reaction, right? A red
response, kind of a histamine reaction to that.
And so if you look at what the way, the way we
get a histamine response or one way we get a
histamine response is if the voltage of a cell
drops too much and that makes mass cells which
make histamine unstable. And if they become

(57:55):
unstable, they start releasing histamine like
crazy. And so what holds the charge?

Say that again. Can you say that one more time?

So the charge of a cell, the voltage of a cell,
which if you learn, study the physiology, you all
know there's this net negative voltage of a cell.
And that net negative voltage is what makes the
cell stable. And if we get a drop in voltage,
then that can make mast cells unstable. And the
mast cells are the cells in the body that release

(58:22):
the things in the body that release the mast cell
or the histamine. And the histamine response is
what makes you itchy and have this red response,
you know. And so if you look at structured water
is what holds the negative voltage in a cell.
It's what gets the cell, it's net negative
charge. So if you inject something locally there
that interferes with structured water formation,

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now there's no net negative charge being held,
and it's more likely to drop that voltage. You
drop the voltage. Mast cells, when you drop the
voltage, makes them unstable, they start spewing
out histamine and you get this red response,
right? So that can happen locally if the person
is in a compromised state already, which is why
we see more issues with type 2 diabetics and
things like that, then this can be a systemic

(59:05):
response, and that's anaphylaxis and that's life
threatening.

So that's like I get stung by a bee, I get, I get
a red welt. But someone else goes into
anaphylactic shock, right?

So it just depends, same stimulant or what
they've learned to be reactive to in the past,
right? What their body's learned to be reactive
to. So that's one thing. That's one thing that
happened with them that we can explain. Another
thing that happened was clotting, Excessive
clotting happened. And so I've spoken a lot
about, I'm sure on the last or the first podcast

(59:36):
we did that we talked about how heart disease is
caused by clotting. And the way you prevent
clotting biophysically is you build structured
water in the arteries. Because when you build
structured water in the arteries, it keeps blood
moving, it protects the lining of the artery, and
it keeps blood thin or all the elements above,
even in space. And that prevents clotting. If you
inject something that breaks down structured
water, you're highly predisposing someone to

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clotting because you're getting thick, stagnant
blood. You're. You're taking away the protection
lining the artery, which now it can be damaged.
And you're interfering with blood flow when you
tear down structured water. So stagnant, thick
blood is going to clot. And so that's exactly
what we saw with these things. We saw excessive
clotting in people. Another thing we saw was high

(01:00:20):
blood pressure. A lot of people had high blood
pressure. And so again, if you destroy the
structured water on the lining of the artery or
you make it less likely to form, and the
structured water is what's moving the blood
through a tube. Well, if the, if the blood in the
tube is not moving fast enough, how does the body
get it? One way the body gets it to move faster
is you constrict, right? Just like if you put

(01:00:41):
your thumb over the end of a hose and water comes
out faster because you're decreasing the area to
which it can travel. The same thing, you
constrict the blood vessel and it moves faster,
but it also creates more pressure. And so you're
increasing blood pressure. So again, that could
be a pitomechanism there. Another thing that we

(01:01:02):
saw was myocarditis or pericarditis, inflammation
of the heart. And the kind of the sacs, I guess,
that contain the heart, the connective tissue
sacs that hold it where it is. And so myocarditis
is inflammation of the heart muscles themselves,
the muscle cells. And then pericarditis is the

(01:01:24):
pericardium around the heart was getting
inflamed. And, you know, itis means inflammation.
And so what's happening there is that structured
water is in the cells. And it's also not just in
the cells, but it lay. It lines our tissues,
right? And structured water also is. Creates a
frictionless barrier. So if, like, it's what

(01:01:46):
forms when you ice skate on ice, there's
structured water forming on the ice as it slowly,
like, instantaneously melts. And then your. Your
ice skate is sliding across it. And so this is
frictionless barrier. So you grab the ice out of
the freezer and it sticks to you, and then it
melts and it slips right out of your hand. Right.
Because the melting of it, you're forming this
layer of structured water there. And so it

(01:02:07):
creates this frictionless barrier. And so if you
look at heart cells the way they are, they're
heart muscle cells. They're lined up like they're
connected by these intercalated discs like this,
and the one after the other. And so they create
these tubes of muscle. So when it contracts, the
muscle kind of slides back and forth as it
contracts as one. Right. So you get two of them,
they're sliding past each other like this.

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However, if there's no structured water between
them, creating a frictionless barrier, guess what
you get inflammation. Myocarditis. Right. The
other thing is that the. The pericardium and
between the heart and the pericardium, there's
also structured water that lines that. Those
spaces between it. This is everywhere. It's
between cells, it's everywhere. That gives it

(01:02:50):
this frictionless barrier. So let's say you
inject something that destroys structured water,
and you have two of these barriers next to each
other, and that frictionless effect is not there.
It's going to create inflammation. So why didn't
we see inflammation of the liver, inflammation of

(01:03:11):
the kidneys? Why not? Why did it happen in the
heart and the lungs? Pleuritis. Because those are
the organs that are moving in the body.

Meredith Oke (01:03:20):
So they rely on that.

Dr. Stephen Hussey (01:03:21):
Right.

That friction on that structured water for that
frictionless movement.

Yeah. And so when you get. Especially the heart,
we saw that more because again, the heart is
moving more frequently and faster than the lungs.
So we saw it in there. And then lastly, we saw
increases in cancer. Right. And so what cancer
is, is everybody says cancer is a metabolic
disease. And there is definitely a metabolic
component, and mitochondrial health is key. But

(01:03:46):
it's not that. It's not that the mitochondria are
like, not making enough energy or not making
enough ATP. It's. I mean, it is kind of that, but
it's really that what's. When the mitochondria
don't function, the cell can't hold its voltage.
And so there's plenty of studies that show that
when cancer cells are. They don't use oxygen,

(01:04:09):
meaning the mitochondria aren't functioning well,
and that they. They have a pH, a higher pH or
lower pH mean, meaning they're more acidic. And
so more acidity means less negative charge. And
so they've lost their voltage. Right. And so the
reason that happens is because, I mean, the more

(01:04:30):
traditional way that it happens is that you get
poor mitochondrial function, mitochondrial damage
from toxin exposures, poor metabolic health, poor
mitophagy, that kind of stuff. All that stuff
doesn't happen. And then the mitochondria aren't
producing enough ATP. ATP is not unfolding
cellular proteins giving water surface area to
structure itself on. So if you don't get that,

(01:04:51):
which is what the purpose of ATP is, is to unfold
proteins. It's not to power the whole cell or the
whole body. It's to unfold proteins so that
there's surface area to hold charge, to hold
energy, which is structured water. If you don't
get that, then you can get into a cancerous state
or a cell can lose its voltage. And when a cell
loses its voltage, it loses its ability to

(01:05:13):
communicate and function properly. And then it
goes into survival mode and it starts rapidly
dividing because it doesn't see itself as part of
a whole. It sees itself as one individual cell
that has to survive. So it starts rapidly
dividing, and its progeny do the same thing. And
so that's what cancer is. And so that's kind of
the more traditional route of coming to cancer.

(01:05:34):
However, you could also introduce something that
destroys structured water directly. And you turn
these cells, who may or may not have functioning
mitochondria, maybe that stuff damages
mitochondria too, but it also interferes with the
body's ability to structure water in the cell.
And then the cell is more likely to lose its
voltage and become cancerous. And so they're

(01:05:55):
calling them like these turbo cancers because the
body can't get rid of these things. Because you
look at most people, their detox pathways are
shut down. They're completely shut down. They
have stagnant fluid in the body. The blood flow
is not moving well, the lymph is not moving well.
They're not sweating on a daily know I've met so

(01:06:16):
many people who can't sweat. They just. They try
to and they can't because there's just detox
mechanisms are shut down. Their liver is backed
up and not supported properly. They may have
constipation, like their detox mechanisms are
shut down. And that's a lot of people in this
world.

And detox mechanisms being sweating, pooping,
what else?

Just the liver itself functioning properly. But
if the liver is always dealing with all the
toxins you're supposed to every single day, it
can't do that as well. Plus it's not supported
well enough because it doesn't have the right
nutrients, collagen, B vitamins, things like that
that we largely get from animal foods. Like those
things are important for the liver to do the
conjugation phases of its detoxification. So all

(01:06:58):
that stuff is. And then just static lymph, it's
just not getting out, you know, because we have
bound up fascia, because we're not in infrared
light, we have scar tissue in the body, things
like that. The lymph is just not moving. People
are just not moving in general where, you know,
people are living sedentary lives. And so all
that stuff is just, we're not getting rid of this

(01:07:18):
polyethylene glycol or polysorbate ab or whatever
else is in them. You know, we're just not getting
rid of them. And so with that, we get these
people that are just, you know, perpetually in
this state after this injection. And I'm, I'm of
the opinion that the process of getting sick from

(01:07:38):
any viral type illness is similar to this because
it's just a toxic response to the body. Like the
body has been introduced by a toxin and it could
be environmental stuff that triggers it, or it
could be directly introducing a toxin via an
injection or something. So it's just your body
having a detox response. But that's. So it's the
same thing. It's the same kind of response. So

(01:08:02):
you could be struggling from the vaccine or
illnesses. You know, they could go on
perpetually, which is an issue.

I've heard that a lot from people. Like they'll
get the flu and it'll last for like, they'll have
symptoms for like a month.

Yeah.

Or a cold that goes on for like weeks and weeks
and weeks and weeks. Like the body doesn't seem
able to resolve just a normal.

It's in a seasonal state.

Detox properly.

Yeah. And that's what it is. I mean, I mean you
think about it like if you get it this type of
illness and it gets bad enough, your body mounts
a fever to force you to sweat and, and that's
what happens. And then that's the way it was in
the old days. Oh. And they, you know, they, they
broke their fever, you know, they sweated it out
and then they were better. Yeah, it's just like,

(01:08:50):
that's. Makes a lot more sense to me. So that's
what it is. And it's a similar reaction when you
inject something that your body can't get rid of
because your detox pathways are shut down. So the
first step is charge your body, give Your body
the energy it needs to then eventually get rid of
this stuff. So charge your body means sunlight,

(01:09:10):
grounding, avoiding toxins. It means metabolic
health. So good energy sources, food energy
sources, but also grounding and sunlight, like we
said. And it means avoiding emf, things that
steal the charge, avoiding artificial light that
steals the charge, all those different things. So
allow your body to actually charge up its battery

(01:09:32):
and then open up detox pathways, then start to
open things up. So fix constipation in whatever
way you need to. It could just be that you're not
drinking enough water or electrolytes. You know,
start sweating, whether that's. If you don't want
to exercise, get a sauna or sit in the sun. Like,
start sweating. Start getting lymph moving. Like,
lymphatic massages are great. You can do them on

(01:09:54):
yourself. You can have someone else do them.
Like, let's start getting stuff moving. Address
the scar tissue in your body. Support the liver
with B vitamins and collagen and things like
that. Which, again, eating whole animal food
sources is best. But, yeah, all that stuff. Once
you start doing that, if you've charged up the
body, you get enough energy, and then you open up
the pathways, it'll get rid of stuff. It's really
good at doing that. We're just in environments

(01:10:15):
that are interfering with all that.

Amazing. And I love that it's relatively simple.
I find for people, the biggest barrier is, like,
realizing they should do that. Whenever I talk to
someone who has a lingering illness, which was a
lot this winter, I'm like, you know, there's an
infrared sauna place just in the next town over.
It's only 10 minutes away. That would really

(01:10:41):
help. And they're like, oh, yeah, okay. And I'm
like, all right, I'm not gonna.

Well, the other aspect of detoxing is circadian
rhythm, like, getting melatonin levels higher so
that you. When you do sleep, you're actually
detoxifying at night. If you don't get that
signal, you won't. So it's like I tell people,
it's like, you never took the trash out in your
house. If you're not doing that when you sleep.

If the. If you're not making enough melatonin.

Yeah.

In addition to other things, melatonin is a
detoxifier, is what you're saying.

Well, yeah, it stimulates the. Like, if you're
talking about mitophagy and autophagy, lymphatic
drainage and glymphatic drainage and gut lining
repair and artery repair, like all that stuff
like detox and repair happens at night if you
have adequate melatonin. So again, that means
mitochondrial function, but it also means getting
that pineal melatonin by blocking blue light

(01:11:34):
after sunset and optimizing that for sleep so
that you get into that deep, restorative, healing
sleep.

Amazing. Well, Steven, thank you so much for
coming back. This was really fun. We went to a
lot of places. I feel like this was like four
different episodes in one. It's good. It's great.
So tell me how people can find you. There is an
opportunity to see you speak live at the event in

(01:12:08):
June. The Wild Retreat. Did I say the name?

I said it.

Tell us about that.

Yeah. So, well, people can find me on my website
is resourceyourhealth.com and all the stuff.

So. Resourceyourhealth.com r e s o u r c e
yourhealth.com yes. All right. We will link to
that in the show notes, but I know most of you
are driving or whatever, so.

Resourceyourhealth.com yeah, and all the stuff
I'm doing is on there.

And you're on the socials.

Yeah, social media.

What's your IG Social?

Dr. Stephen Hussey. Stephen with a pH.

Yeah, pH s t e P H E N H U S s e y. Dr. Stephen
Hussey.

Yeah. And then, yes, I will be at the Return to
Nature event, speaking. And that is in the June.
End of June.

End of June in beautiful Tennessee. We'll also
put a link to that in the show notes. Keep doing
the work you're doing. And that was. I just want
to wrap up like, that is an incredible take on,
on the shots. Have you. Is that like something
you pieced together because you happen to read
that Gilbert Ling research, or are people

(01:13:23):
understanding that that could be part of it?

That's something I just pieced together. And it's
one possible mechanism. There's obviously
probably other mechanisms by which they could be
causing harm. But that's one that I, when I
figured that out, I'm just like, oh, well, that
can explain, you know, the, the high blood
pressure can explain all the different things if
you know. But I also knew previous information
about structured water. So having that previous

(01:13:48):
information, I was like, oh, well, then I can
explain it all.

Yeah. And you are likely one of very few people
in the world who would have had a place to put
all.

Those things together or would be reading Gilbert
Ling.

Exactly. You've read Gilbert Ling. You understand
structured water and you're reading the
ingredient list on pharmaceutical products.

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, that's what we're here for. That is
why this podcast exists, because we love to hear
what you're all learning, and it's so important
and makes such a difference to our lives. So
thank you for all your amazing work, and thank
you for sharing it with us.

Yeah, thanks for having me on.

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