131: From ER to Energy Healing: Dr. Tina Hills on Trauma, Fascia & Quantum Medicine

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Meredith Oke (05:01):
Tina. Tina Hills, welcome to the QVC podcast.

Dr. Tina Hills (05:05):
So happy to be here with you today. I've been
waiting for this.

Oh, I'm so excited. It's going to be really fun.
You know, when you went through the program over
at iaqb, you brought so much energy and
experience and amazing stuff to the table. So I'm
glad. I'm excited to dig into it.

Well, you filled a very large gap. You brought
everything together with the information that you
provide when you start looking at the full
spectrum of health. And so, man, I was glad to
find you.

Oh, I'm so glad because. And that was. That's
exactly it. Right? It's just like, it's just that
program is just meant to be like a bridge for
people like you who have so many pieces. And then
it's like, okay, there's just this, like, there's
some fundamentals that some brilliant people have
figured out that, I mean, I don't teach it above

(06:00):
my pay grade, but I want all of you to learn it.
And yeah, people come in and if that's their gap
that they're missing, it's like, oh, and they're
supercharged with like all the stuff that they've
been studying for years.

Yes, yes.

Amazing. So, okay, so you are an md, ER doc.

I'm a do do.

Okay.

Plus. But yeah, I'm a do.

Explain. Explain how that all works.

Your traditional background, osteopathy, broke
off of the allopathic back in the 1800s because
the gentleman who started it said, you guys are
killing my family with your poisons. I got to
figure out how to heal the body. And so when you
go through osteopathic school, you go through the
standard medical training, but it's a more of a.
You're open to a little more holistic and hands

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on. So you learn about 40 different techniques in
how to work with the body manually. You still
learn all the pharmacology, all the
pathophysiology exactly the same. And then you,
when you get out of residency, you can either
attend an allopathic residency or an osteopathic
residency. So you just have more options, more
training.

Oh, that is so cool. Because. So I just assumed
because you worked in an ER that you had an md. I
did not know that you could be a do and be
working in er. That is cool.

We have full rights in the US and most of the
world. We do. There's a couple places where you
don't, but yeah, it's full rights.

Amazing. Okay, so how so. So you chose to do the
osteopathic residency route. And then. And then
what happened? And how did you even end up there?
And why were you even like, yes, osteopathy?

Because I didn't go to medical school until I was
32. I was, you know, I was in exercise
physiology. I was a semi professional athlete in
powerlifting. And as my career started to come to
an end in the powerlifting, I had to say, man.
And then I got a master's degree in computer
sciences while I was doing that. So I was working
in the real world.

We've got a polymath on our hands, people. Okay?

My brother said, you're not too old to go back.
So I went back to school. And then because of my
age, I'm like, I got to get a job where I go to
work and go home. I don't want to be in a clinic.
I don't want to be tied to a pager. So I said,
oh, let me do er. And so ER is super amazing
because our specialty is trauma and
resuscitation. That's our true specialty. But by

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training, we have to be a jack of all trades,
because you have to be able to take care of
anything that walks in the er, and you have to
know enough to speak to your consultants and the
admitting physicians. And so you have to have
this real wide breadth of information. When I.
When I started all this, I was, you know, you're
really gung ho. You're all into the drama and

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trauma, and as you get to this side of it, you're
like, I'm done with that part. How do we actually
help ourselves now? And so that's what drove me.
And I had a. In 2019, I just hit the point where
I had the perfect job, I had the perfect house, I
had the perfect partner. And everything came

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crashing down because our nice little hospital
was bought out by a conglomerate. And I had. I
came home from work every day questioning, why am
I having to use childhood survival skills to go
through work? And that put me on this big, long

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path now it's been five years now of who am I and
why am I here? And those are the two fundamental
questions that you have to get to if you start a
healing journey. Because you are not your job.
You are not the person that. You're your parent.
You are a parent, but that's not who you are.
It's just a. A role you play. And it really put

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me down onto this. Like, how? Why am I doing
this? I have to back up one second, though,
because the Very first lesson I learned was from
my spouse when I learned it was okay to be happy.
Oh, anything started, it's such a big one, happy
for no reason. And I learned that lesson just

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before these other very harsh ones came along
because I had to know the contrast. If I had not
learned that it's okay, I would have stayed in
the oh, wo is me. I'm just fighting the fight.
But it made me know that no, things are
different. We can treat people differently, we
can feel differently about ourselves. And it was
about that time that ayahuasca first came around

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my on my email and came in calling, knocking on
my door. And it took me about two years to go do
that. In the meantime, I was dealing with my own
traumas and how, learning how to get it out of my
body, how to start healing my body with what I
ate and things like that. And so it just kind of
moved down this nice spectrum of I'm either going

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to manage my decline, because when I started
this, I was almost 50 pounds overweight, blood
pressure pushing, blood pressure pushing,
diabetes, incredibly unhealthy. So I said, I'm
either going to manage my decline or I have got
to change what I'm looking at and say, how do I
create health? Because it's two completely
different ends of the spectrum, completely

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different thought pattern. When we came onto the
to the quantum biology, I had been looking at it
for a little bit before I found you guys, and it
just started making logical sense. When you look
at the pharmacology and things like, it makes
sense to make you feel better in short term, but
when you're sitting in the ER after 20 years

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almost, we figured out probably about a hundred
thousand patients, probably two to three times
that in family members. 10,000 deaths that I've
had the honor of being with, and I've had my own
near death. And so when you start to move from

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this perspective of I know all these things are
going on, and then you find something in the
plant medicine world that shows you the rest of
the energy and the importance of the energy. Then
you want to come back and put it all together and
say, here, this is how you can do this in
something called integration. Integration is
where you simply take all your lessons and start
applying it to your life. So what the. When I

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went, we started our program, we said, we sat
down because my spouse is an ER nurse. We sat
down and we said, okay, how do we combine these
two things? These have to merge because the
knowledge is here. They're just not taking it far
enough. To heal anyone. And so we started out
with, well, when somebody comes in with a code,

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how do we get them to be alive if they're dead?
When they get to us, how do we make them come
alive? You know, because everything's on a
spectrum. They're not dead dead yet. They're just
dead. We can still get them back if that makes
dead.

Ish. Not fully dead. Okay.

And so what we did. Excuse me, what we did is we
said, okay, the very first thing that we have to
do when someone comes into the error is create
coherence. Very first thing. Because when someone
goes into a cardiac arrest, their heart is not
beating in a proper rhythm. We have to get that

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rhythm back. Nothing can happen in the body
without a heartbeat. You can have a heartbeat
with no breath, but you cannot have it the other
way around. And so we said, okay, how do we
create coherence? And so we went through all
these, this deep dive into what creates coherence
in the body and put it in our program. And then
we looked at, you know, the quantum biology,

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circadian rhythm. And so we just got, we were
just able to meld them together to, and help
people shift their perspective from that decline
to the incline. Both of them are hard, they're
both work. But the, the work of becoming healthy
is so much more fun and so much more benefit to
the outcome of your life that you forget about

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this other stuff and you won't, you just won't.
You won't do it anymore. And as simple as that,
I, I.

Really like this framing of it, managing the
decline versus investing in your health, because
I think it does a lot of things. One of the
things is like, we're so often told like, oh, oh,
you're having that happen. Yeah, you're in your
30s. Oh, you're having that happen. Yeah, you're
in your 40s. Oh, you're having that happen. Yeah,

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you're getting old. Oh, you're. And it's like,
yeah, like all of these symptoms we're told are
just quote, unquote, normal. And it's like, just
because. What's the phrase? Just because it's
common doesn't mean it's normal.

Yes.

And so that would be the managing of the decline.
Right. It's like nothing we can do. This stuff's
just all going to happen. Want, want, want. But.
And then sometimes the bridge out of that into
the other one you're talking about, where we were
creating our health is through trying to manage
symptoms. But you're right, it's a huge Mind

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shift. It's not just like, oh, I'm going to get
to the root cause to fix this symptom. Then it's
like once you're down at the root, you got to
move over to that other side. And then you stop
doing things like expecting every practitioner
you meet to be the last one you'll ever need in
your life. And start to realize that this is like
an ongoing non linear lifetime journey.

Just like we do not age linearly. We cut, we're
coming around, we start our slow decline around
44 is what they say, you have a clunk, I drop and
you have another rose around 60. But if you look
at that, that's right at the time when most
people really start having symptoms, in that
early 40s to mid-40s, you start having symptoms,
you start to realize, oh my gosh, I can't do what

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I used to do. But let me tell you now, that heart
attack, that stroke, all of those things that
you're having in your 50s and 60s started when
you were 20. They did not start when you were 50.
It was, it's not a shock. It's not a shock to
anyone except for who it happened to because it's
been going on. We could have told you back at 20
you were going to have this heart attack, but you
wouldn't listen, you know, and so it's just

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funny, it's how you start to bring things
together with that. But, you know, and we figured
out that nobody is going to heal you. You are
fully responsible for your state of being. And
it's not just your physical state of being, it's
your emotional, it's your spiritual, which I
don't mean religious in that, I mean like your,
your connection with yourself and the divine and

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your energetic. You have to take care of those
things. Not just your mental and your physical,
but we also need to learn that our mind is simply
a computer processor and that our body is driving
the show. Because your body holds trauma, your
fascia. We are a fascia being. We are made of
fascia. That's all we are. With a bunch of, with
some organs, it suspends some organs. It's water

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fashion that makes water, makes fascia mixed up
with a little sand, you know, that's all we are.
And so you have to consider, I'm an energetic
being. How do I feed my energetic being? How do I
clear that? And that's where that plant medicine
has really brought in the tools and how to clear.
Because when you go, when you start to heal
yourself, we really want to focus on if you

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really back up. Global view, hydration,
remineralization, detoxification on those five
levels. And then you. We give stem cells to give
somebody a really big boost and turn around in
that health. It really pops you over that little
hole, that heel that you get to. But integration
and support, you're the one that has to do it

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all. It is a solo journey. You cannot take it by
yourself. You can't. You need help, you need
support. You need guidance for someone who's been
there. You need somebody on your side that's
saying, man, are you sure you want to eat that
hamburger today? Because that may not be the best
for you. People that call you out on your junk,
you got triggered. The trigger tells you where

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you need to heal. It's not the fact that you got
triggered. That's no problem. Turn it around on
yourself and say, okay, why was I triggered? How
did that make me feel? Where was it in my body?
When's the first time I felt that? Take it all
the way back and then put your hands on your body
and say, man, I'm sorry you had to go through
that. I'm sorry you had to go through that. And

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be kind to yourself. This. You know, I really.
Biohacking is a big thing right now. I don't
particularly care for the term because I think
we're really moving out of the state of fear and
pushing and driving and into this state of love
and kindness and support. So we try to push
people back over to this, just like we do for
that health. Because when you're in that bubble

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of health, that's what you feel and that's what
you have.

So you've mentioned plant medicine and
specifically ayahuasca. So tell me a little bit
more. Like, what was your impression of it before
you did your deep dive? How did you change your
mind about it when? What happened when you tried
it? Because it sounds like some things.

It is. It is an experience. So, like I said, we
had. It was introduced to me. It just came across
on Instagram or email. I can't even remember what
it came, but I just saw it. And I was like, oh,
that's really interesting. I wonder what that is.
And I looked it up and I said, okay, well, that
sounds interesting. Put it away. Didn't think
about it again. Two years later, it was over and
over. And so we say that it's calling you. It was

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calling me to come visit. We went down to Costa
Rica to a resort there and participated in the
ceremonies with Taido Juanito he's out of
Colombia. He's one of the main. He's like a
seventh or eighth generation shaman out of
Colombia. And when you go into ceremony, it's
actually really, really kind of like being in the
er. It's dark rather than light, but it's dark,

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it's loud. There's people crying and screaming
and laughing and running around and dancing.

This all makes sense to me.

Smoke and light, it was just fun stuff. But when
you go in, you have to do ayahuasca, especially
with people who know what they're doing, because
this is a traditional medicine that's about 5,000
to 10,000 years old. And these people have been
working with this medicine since they were
children. And so they really know the intricacies

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and how to deal with the medicine. But you go in
and you have, you go in, you have a cup of
medicine. It's in a little shot, you know, a
little shot glass, just one cup at a time. And
then you go and lay down on your mat. And it's
just a, like a twin mattress that you have set
up. There's. There was about 80 people in our
group. After you drink the medicine, you go lay
down in it and you sit there for about an hour,

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quiet. It's called the noble silence. Everyone's
quiet. And then the action starts, the music
starts, the vomiting, the singing and dancing.
You're getting blessings from people. But when
you do plant medicine, what it does is it's. It's
kind of like ketamine in the error. It
dissociates you from your ego and turns off your
thinking mind. It takes off all your filters so

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you can see a different reality. It's almost,
it's the closest thing that to a near death that
I've had because you, all of your filters are
gone and you can see what's actually happening
around you. And it shows you what's in your body.
To get the trauma out of your body. Your sig3
gene determines where you store trauma. Ayahuasca

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is, it goes in, it actually maps out your DNA.
There's been studies, there's been tons of
studies. This, especially in Europe, it goes in,
it maps out your DNA, finds that trauma, and it's
sitting in your water, your fascia, and it kind
of brings it into your bowels or into your tears
or wherever it needs to go so that you can purge
it out. And so it's literally you're purging
energetic waste out of your body. It's just that

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stagnant water, you know, It's. It's stagnant. So
it grows things in there. You hold things in
there. It's bound up with the fascia, you know,
so you have. If you can imagine, you have all
your easy water, you have your fascia bound up
around from an injury. So I. I spray. Just say
somebody spraying their ankle, it twists the
fascia up because that's your shock absorber.
That fascia holds £2,000 per square inch. And so

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as that binds, it kind of gets stuck, then it
gets adhered, then it gets dehydrated and
crackly. So as you go into that fashion, you
start to release it. You release that energetic
trauma. The water let the flow come in, Blood
vessels start to flow, nerves start to FL. Flow.
Because we. The majority of our nerves are in our
fascia. It's not in our brain. You know, it's
like 100 times more in our fascia. And so when

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you work with ayahuasca, then you start to deal
with those energies on a different level. Because
now I'm familiar with my body. If I go on a
journey, I know where I'm going, I know how to
get there, and I'm comfortable getting there
because I'm. I'm not distracted by all the
visuals. I take the visuals in, I say, okay, how
do I learn from this? And. And then you just
start to apply those through integration, because

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you learn. And it may not be that night, it may
be a year later, where you go, oh, my gosh. I had
that ceremony that told me this was going to
happen. And so then you go through, and it just
stays with you. And the medicine's always with
you once you have it. But we do the same thing
with ketamine. We've used it in the ER to do
things like this. I had a guy who came in for
shoulder dislocation. Ketamine. You give it in,

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the IV shuts off the ego, separates you from your
mind. You're still awake. I can talk to you, you
can hold a conversation, but you have no clue
what's going on. Had a guy came in for shoulder
dislocation, gave him some ketamine while he was
there. He said, I'm suicidal. I'm incredibly sad.
So I said, all right, man, let's help you out.
While I was reducing his shoulder, and Troy

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happened to meet my spouse, happened to be
working with me. We said, all right, let's get
this guy turned around. So we started telling him
all these things about, you are loved, you are
worthy, and just going down this list of you love
your body. You love yourself. You're worthy of
that love. When he. And then I kept him overnight
to monitor him when he woke up the next day. And
as we're starting to talk to him, he's like, man,

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I feel fantastic. I feel great. I've never felt
this good in my life. You know, it just because
he had the opportunity to somebody tell him, man,
you're okay. And I want to tell everybody that
you are okay. You're perfect just the way you
are. You're just in your process.

Yeah, we all are. And so do you think that. That
those messages of love sort of penetrated his
consciousness differently because you'd given him
the ketamine for his shoulder and his ego was out
of the way? Is that what you're saying?

Absolutely. Because then doesn't have any defense
against that. He doesn't have that thought
because that's the ego telling you that, right?
And so it does. He doesn't have that thought of,
man, I want to kill myself now. He has that
thought of, wait a minute. I don't want that
anymore. Now, hey, I want to go have a good day
today. I don't want to do that anymore. And it's
where you get that you can. You short circuit the

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neurals, and it's that neuroplasticity, right?
And so you can short circuit those. Those little
loops. And that's what the medicine does. It
helps you short circuit the loops. So instead of
staying on that little roller coaster of up and
down, I'm suicidal, it says, nope, I'm done with
that now. Now I get to make this new loop. And
you only have to stop for something once to start
neuroplasticity. And so it makes it a very easy

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process once you know how to do it, you know. So
even one of the best examples of that are your
spinal reflexes. And spinal reflex. You touch the
stove, you pull your hand away so you don't get
burned. That message never makes it to your
brain. It goes from your hand to your spinal cord
and back out for you to respond. You have reef
emotional reflexes that are just the same. So,

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you know, somebody triggers you. You lash out and
say something, and then in your mind, you're
going, holy crap. Why'd they say that? I didn't
want to say that to them. I didn't mean to say
that you feel badly. But it's a loop that comes
from your spinal reflex to protect you. And so
when you. What we want you to do is kind of take
a step back, push Things off of you. This is what
we do in the er. Like, if I got caught up in the

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drama of everything, I could not keep track of
anyone. Because if I'm saying, oh, their blood
pressure is low, everybody agrees their blood
pressure is low, but we're stuck in that. We
can't get anything accomplished. And so for me,
and what I teach my. My clients to do is take
that issue, push it off, set it over here where
you can look at it with some. Some distance, and

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then you say, okay, what are my solutions? And
you focus on the solution, because then you have
action, then things are changing. You're not just
stuck in this endless loop of, oh, my gosh, this
is happening, and ruminating. You have to stop
ruminating and move through it, Emote emotion,
move it through your body. It's a lot, isn't it?

Yeah. So you've. You've talked a lot about trauma
being stored in the fascia. Could you explain
sort of your understanding of how that works, how
the structured water in our body holds trauma and
how we can unfold it?

You think about the body. The body's like a
quantum computer. And you have data that's stored
in water molecules, your DNA molecules, your
fascia, which is water. And then you have
microtubules. So if you think your. Your brain is
your computer, your. Your network system, your
Ethernet hardwire is your nervous system, and
your fiber optics are your fascia. And so things

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travel in a quantum with quantum speed. It's
biophotons, bioacoustics. It is. It's everywhere
in your body because it's what you are. And what
happens is that fascia gets bound up and it keeps
that trauma in there, because when you have. And
it doesn't have to be big, it can be small. My
mom yelled at me, and they didn't yell at my

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sister, and we were doing the same thing. It
doesn't have to be anything big, but it's a shock
to the body. And so it walls it off. And that
data is stored in there. And then we. If it
doesn't, if it's not dealt with, we. We apply
layers of protection. Layers, layers, layers. And
it's just data that's stored in that water.
Literally in quanta.

Yeah, I mean, that. That makes so much sense, you
know, and it's. Yeah.

Onto DNA. They've shown they can download video
onto DNA and replay it. It's just data. It's just
information.

Right.

Energy. It's just light information. We're light
information. Our bodies are light bodies. And so
when you put that, you're just. It's like a
quantum computer. Quantum computer, yeah.

And I love this way of talking about it because
it's very. Not emotional. I mean, I'm. I think,
you know, being able to experience our emotions
as key to being a healthy person. However,
sometimes we can attach too much to a certain
concept. So we're just talking about trauma as

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information encoded in the body that's having a
certain kind of outcome that makes it much more.
It's got a more objective feel to it. And it's
like, okay, so what are some things I can do to
release it? That's it. That's all. And we have
this idea that, like, oh, no. Like, I've been
traumatized or my kids can't get traumatized or
no one. The trauma's there forever, and it's

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going to impact me for the right. And it's like,
no, correct. You can heal it.

You can get rid of it. Because if you are put
here to go through this process when you are a
child, you have all of your story. Everyone has a
story. The beginning of the story is all the
drama. The back half of the story is your hero
journey. My good friend Kevin Call talks all
about it. It's your hero journey. You come out

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and you say, okay, I've learned all these things.
All of the tools that you learned as a child, you
turn around and say, okay, I don't have to rely
on them to survive, but I have them in my back
pocket if I need them. And all you're doing is
gaining wisdom and tools and learning what your
boundaries are. And, you know, so I like to look
at it objectively. There are emotional. There are

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very emotional moments. I mean, I've had people
where I'm doing myofascial release or fascial
maneuvers on them and shoulder. Like out here,
just in the fascia wasn't even on a muscle, not a
joint. I had a hold of something very not fun for
the patient. And as that lets go, there's
actually a loud pop almost so you would hear if

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you popped your neck. But it's out in the fascia
that pots. There is a flood of emotion and
instant relief because it's now gone. The
restriction, the containment has been let go. So
now there is more flow, sound, light, water and
movement. That's what the body wants, and it

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wants that flow. We are water beings. We don't
want stagnation. So the primary thing in letting
go of trauma is going to be fascial maneuvers,
because you have to Manipulate it out of the
body. Internal trauma has to be healed from the
inside out. That's our mental speak. All that
junk we've done to ourselves, the physical. All
the junk. I mean, just everything you do to the

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internal body, sometimes that external trauma has
to be healed from the outside in. So let's say if
I had my trauma, sexual abuse, that was just the
backdrop to my story. And so now, as I'm working
with. I have Troy work on me. She's doing work on
my abdominal area. And it's almost like you took
a black dagger out of my lower abdomen. And it's

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that relief of, oh, my gosh, there's the energy
that is gone. I don't have to carry that anymore.
It becomes more of a memory than an experience
that you're still experiencing 30 years later or
however old you are, you know, so it makes it a
very interesting and much more beneficial
treatment when you can go through all of those

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areas, because we talk about root disease, root
causes all the time, but it's not. It's the
seeds, the little seeds of trauma that start to
develop those roots and give rise to roots. And
so when you get to that little seed down there,
you can have healing on all these different
levels.

Right. The seeds of trauma.

Yeah. Body keeps the score, right? There's a
whole book about it.

Yes. Yeah, there is. And it's. It's interesting
to watch. Just sort of in the popular
consciousness, the idea of trauma was just
something that was never just discussed. Then it
was discussed, and now it's sort of like front
and center, but in a way where it's like, oh,
you. You have trauma and you were triggered. We
have to reconfigure society to never trigger

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anybody ever. And it's like. I don't know that
that's necessarily, like, what you're saying.
It's like, no, we need to heal ourselves so we're
not so easily triggered.

Well, yeah, it's your trigger. Your trigger is
just simply showing you where you need to heal.
Yeah. That's all it is. It doesn't have to be
some big dramatic event. I mean, sometimes it is.
I still have. I still break down and cry. You
know, if I have, it comes in, you feel it, you
experience and let it go. Because what's coming
is going. But also true. What's yours is yours,

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what's mine is mine. No passingada. And when
you're triggered, you start to lash out at
people, and that's not okay, because that's not
their fault. It's what you hold inside that you
need to handle. And when you handle your stuff,
then you can turn around and look at everybody
else with compassion and say, let me help you
through yours. And that's the difference. And
that's the integration is because you have to

(33:24):
start to spread it out and create that butterfly
effect and the overall shift in the consciousness.

Yes. And that integration piece is so important.
I'm glad, I'm glad that you've brought it up so
many times, because I do find, and I think so, I
think there's a part of the journey where we are
just in information collecting mode. We're in
knowledge expanding mode. But then at some point

(33:50):
that needs to translate into something real. So I
can read. You know, I remember I was like reading
about why you would wear blue blocking glasses if
you were on a screen at night for like months
before I actually went on the Internet and
ordered some and put them on my face. So there
was the integration. So, like going outside in

(34:14):
the morning, blocking light, like that's an
integration. But I think it's also. And the one
where we get a little more tripped up is some of
this other stuff that you're talking about. The
internal monologues, the way we see the world,
the belief systems. Like, it's, it's, you know, I
know people who can talk about that stuff, they
can write about that stuff, but they're not. But

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it's not being applied.

Yeah.

And we're not being integrated.

Our practice, our daily practice is integration
because we've taken. We. We've put ourselves in a
constant ceremony because it's made such a
difference in our lives across the board. And so
every day we are, you know, and it's a practice,
and it's what you develop. It's what you develop.
You know, you. The coherence thing, meditation,

(35:04):
you have to meditate, you have to have that quiet
time, talk to your body, bring it back into
communication. The breath work. If you control
your breath, you can control everything because
it's that you take a little inspiration, hold it
for a second, give yourself a long exhale.
Stimulates your parasympathetic, pulls you out of
Fight or Flight, gives a little bit of space and

(35:25):
lets you actually make a decision instead of a
reaction. And so, you know, number one, we're
gonna. We gotta pull you out of Fight or Flight.
That's that meditation, breath work. Learn how to
get your body out of that. And the, the easiest
way to do it is take an inhale and then a longer
exhale because it stimulates that vagal nerve
that comes right here and turns it into

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parasympathetic fight or flight is down, chills
out the body. It says, everything's okay. Let's
see what we're doing now. You know, and I think
that's one of the greatest things about the ER
too, is because it's made me. It. It teaches you
how to speak, how to think with logic in
incredibly emotional situations. Yes. Come and

(36:06):
see me, Ari. It's not a good day. If they see
work, it is not a good day. It is not. And so,
you know, it's. It's been an experience and it's
one that we. We're so excited to share because it
has changed everyone that we talk to about this.
With sunlight, the water, just the things that

(36:28):
we've been mentioning, it changes their lives
instantly. But people need to know, again, it is
not a quick fix. You can have immediate results,
but it takes about a year, it really takes a good
year to have your body make that turn all the way
to this direction. And walking down the health
route, you know, it just takes a little bit of

(36:49):
time. And so be patient with yourself.

Yeah, yeah. And remember, it's a journey. I
think, you know, we all want to find the smoking
gun, the root cause, the one thing that is
responsible for all the bad stuff that's
happening to our health. But it's. Yeah, it's
multifactorial, it's ongoing, it's nonlinear.
I've been hearing from a lot of people lately who
are. Who started doing all of the circadian

(37:14):
things and then just had incredible insomnia
descend upon them.

Interesting.

And it turns out they had some emotional. There
was an emotional trauma layer.

Sure.

And it was, like, sitting underneath. So when
they got every. You know, their body was in
rhythm and everything was working. It was almost
like, oh, okay, it does.

It will do that.

Here comes a few more things for you to deal
with. And you are going to be awake all night
until you do you deal.

With it because it's going to come knocking on
your door. But fasting does that to you. If you
go on any kind of food cleanse or fasting, it
brings all of that to the. To the surface because
it's getting all that junk out. And fast can be
incredibly emotional because you're releasing and
you're letting go of all that. All the toxins.

Yeah, right. Yeah. This is a really important
thing to bring up now that we're. Now that we're
talking about it. So I was thinking about it a.
The insomnia but now you're talking about the
fasting. It's like. And that's why we talk about
it non linearly. So we could do all of these
things to get our body back in balance and to

(38:26):
have our, our rhythms functioning properly. And
it's like, because our body's experiencing that
safety and that coherence, there may be all kinds
of surprises. And it's like, why am I worse? I'm
doing all the things.

But you're not worse.

You're not worse.

You're not worse.

You're releasing better.

Because now your body says, I'm safe enough to
handle this.

Yes.

And that's, you know, have a friend. Phone a
friend. Yeah, someone that you can trust. Someone
that you. That has been through it already.
Someone who can guide you to the next step.
Because, you know, with Troy and I, what we
really focus on, we had this, this great
relationship because we worked before we were
together. And so it really let us have this trust

(39:12):
and this completely different perspective of what
a relationship is going to be. And so what we.
When we've got, while we've gone down this path,
it'll be like one of us gets a little bit ahead
and then we say, okay, come on, catch up. So it's
kind of this stepwise pattern and we've done that
with each other the whole time. Okay, I found
this. This is really working. This isn't working.
Let's try this. And we kind of pull each other
along. And so I liken it to rolling a ball

(39:34):
appeal. She's in her bubble, I'm in my bubble.
We're pushing the ball together, and we have to
keep it even going up the hill. And so everything
we do is focusing on that. We don't look behind
us. If something comes up from behind, we say,
man, that really, that was kind of sucked. We got
to get over that. Let's. How do we get over this?
And we work through it and then we just keep

(39:55):
pushing that ball because it's a lot more fun to
play games with that ball than it is to think
about what happened in the past. But we've
already dealt with it, so we're not ignoring it.
We've already moved through it and let it process
through our bodies and, and, and our emotional
state. And like, okay, if I had this happen when
I was a child, here's the tool I learned that I

(40:17):
had. How can I make that a beneficial tool? Get
rid of the ones that no longer serve. Don't use
them anymore. Tools being all of the things we've
talked about your emotional sport. Just different
tools that you gain.

Yeah. And I think people are drawn to different
things. And you know, like, I was very drawn to
tools that were very cerebral and word oriented
because that's how I, you know, that's how I'm
cognitively oriented. So things where I would,
would do a lot of writing, a lot of journaling, a

(40:56):
lot of like writing down my thoughts and
questioning them on paper and other people, I was
like, this is amazing, Try it. And they were
like, I, I hate this. I'm. It's. What are you
talking about? Like, this is useless. But I found
it, like completely change, transformed my life,
like in a profound way. But that's what I was
drawn to. So.

But that was your patient, right? So it's your
quiet time, it's your time with yourself. It's
reflection and, and so it works for you. That
does not work for me.

That's what I learned. So other people, you know,
like. Yeah, like my brother, for example, he, he
started like running marathons. Just being in
constant, like being, being in physical movement
all of the time. And that's, that's his play,
that's his meditation practice, I would say.

(41:47):
Okay, you mentioned something earlier that I want
to circle back to and then I'm going to open it
up because this is a podcast interview and also a
QVC Pro member event. So we have a few people on
Liselle Violeta. If anyone has questions, put
them in the chat or you're welcome to jump on if

(42:09):
you want to unmute yourself to do that. So I'll
circle back to you in a second. But Tina, you
mentioned earlier that you worked for a small
local independent hospital that got bought by a
conglomerate and a lot of things changed. Tell
us, like, what changed? How is it different? What

(42:29):
did you learn about the healthcare system in that
experience?

I was, well, I was, you know, I was, I was safely
protected in the military for a long time, so I
didn't have to deal with the reality of what was
going on in the hospital system. And so we had
the last physician owned hospital in Texas and it
was a private group and it was a democratic
group. And when the conglomerate came in first,
they took that group, they bought the group

(42:54):
first. And they totally dictate how you can
practice medicine. You don't have free thought
anymore on how you practice. There's very certain
things that you have to do. Everything is on a
time. You have two minutes to see a patient, you
have five minutes to start a chart, you have one
hour to get them to just, just everything was

(43:15):
like timed and if you didn't make those, that
you're getting in trouble for not making those
time. It was just a completely different
environment.

And you're used to. I'm used to giving self love
messages to the depressed guy with a dislocated
shoulder. And they're like, no, you have two and
a half minutes.

Yes.

Wow.

Yeah.

Okay.

So it was, it's just corporate medicine versus a
private practice almost, you know, just very,
very different. And a lot of rules, a lot of
rushing around, a lot of not fun, not fun for the
patient. You know, it wasn't fun for us, but the
patients were suffering.

Right.

So I had to get out of there.

Yeah, no, that's crazy because you are someone
with your body of work who's bringing a lot more
than just the very specific acute required
response. You're bringing so much more to the
table. And that model basically erases any chance
of that happening.

We made it happen.

You found a way. Yeah.

I Talked to probably seven out of 10 patients
about some sort of quantum health. And they're
very open people. People are, are just craving
something different.

So you are talking to them about this in the AR
while they're in there?

Oh, yeah, all the time. I would have some
discharge instructions because I have to meet a
standard of care. So somebody comes in for a
urinary tract infection, here's your antibiotic
and here's your discharge instructions for uti.
And here's how you get your gut back in shape
after you take this antibiotic. Because it's
going to make you have these emotional things
that's going to make you have these physical

(45:00):
things. And you need to get your body back in
gear. It's going to take six months. And so it
would have that conversation. And so that leads
you all the way into see the sunrise, get in the
uva, put your feet on the dirt. You know, it just
leads you down that path. And so you get to talk
to a lot of people about it. And everyone, even
the especially nursing staff, had a friend of
mine who was a nurse for a long time and ended up

(45:21):
getting colon cancer at a very young age. And I
said, man, get out there and start doing this
circadian stuff. He text me at the two days into
it, he text me, said, tina, I haven't felt this
good in 10 years. Wow, two days. It's an
immediate. That's what say you can have immediate
results, but the, the actual change of
symptomology and the disease process takes a

(45:42):
little Bit longer.

Right.

That takes about that year.

Yeah, but. Yes, but. But your body getting back
into rhythm can happen right away in the.

Yeah.

So I'm. So I'm. I'm really excited that
everyone's into it.

Yeah, everyone's. There was very few. And, you
know, right when you start to talk to someone,
whether they're going to listen to any kind of
information outside of Western medicine, but it
was a good 7 to 8 out of 10 people who were
hungry for something different.

Amazing. So for anyone listening who does work in
a traditional healthcare model, tell us again how
you slide in. You just put it in their
instructions.

We're going to handle your illness at this time
with these medicines. But when these medicines
are done, you need to get your body back into a
homeostatic place. You have to move it back
because these medicines are going to do some
damage while you're taking them. And we got to
get you back over here where you started. And if
you continue doing these practices, they'll
actually heal your body.

And. And people are receptive, Incredibly
receptive. See, I love hearing that because so
many people are like, yeah, no, but, you know,
especially doctors, they're like, nobody cares.
Nobody wants it. They just want the pill. They're
not interested. And I'm like, are you sure? I
feel like they are.

You're interested, especially when you get into
people who are into any kind of. Of plant
medicine and kind of know a little bit more
information about how the system works and the
game of life works. And people. People don't want
it anymore. People know it's. It's just a band
aid. You know, it's really good at controlling

(47:21):
symptoms, but it's not doing anything else. And
if you block something that the body's supposed
to do naturally, it's always a disaster. And
that's what most medications do in the long run,
you know, so.

Right.

Have a different perspective, though. Yeah,
because I've experienced it and I live it every
day. And now I'm, you know, all of us, all of our
friend, everybody that we. We get on the same
pattern. Our business partners, we make sure
everybody's doing the same thing. We just got
back from Las Vegas. We were going out there to
do stem cells, and our business partner sat down.
She'd been here all week having all the fruits

(47:56):
and vegetables that we eat. Sat down to have one
meal. She's like, I can't eat that anymore. She
was almost sick. And from that point, that was
her last regular, like, meal with gluten. And,
you know, all the different things on her
sandwich, she's like, nope, I can't do it
anymore. I feel, it made me feel too badly. And
so people get that shock after they've been
exposed. And then it's, it's. Then it's a
complete change.

Right. And so just because people always like to
know what do you recommend people to eat? And
then questions. Throw them in the chat or put in
the chat if you want to come on camera. Okay.
Food.

We're vegan by choice.

Okay.

And as the vibration of the body increases, as
the health of the body increases, it really kind
of chooses for you. I, every once in a while I
get a really strong craving for some sort of
meat. And if I don't sat, if I can't satisfy that
with like mushrooms, beans, something like that,
that has a little bit higher protein in it, then
I'll have a little piece. But I make sure I have

(48:57):
the best of the worst. I typically go with bison
because I know that's going to be probably the
cleanest. We don't really eat poultry anymore. I
don't eat any eggs or dairy at all. Every once in
a while, Troy will have an egg, they'll throw one
in there. Just because she loves eggs, but she
usually regrets it when she's done.

Interesting.

But I tell people you have to figure out what
your body likes because it depends on where
you're starting. And so if you eat something, I
want people to go very clean on their eating. Get
out of processed foods. If you cannot read the
label, put it back, you don't need it. Go to
simple, whole natural foods and then start
introducing things back. So get really super
clean for about two weeks. Have an egg, see how

(49:39):
you feel. Have a piece of cheese, see how you
feel. And if it makes you feel anything but
energized and feeling good, put it back and don't
eat it anymore. Makes it really easy because it's
you. That's the place where it becomes an
individual program is the food. Because with like
cold plunge, thermal therapies, circadian, that
is across the board, good for everyone. Food is

(50:00):
where it becomes a little bit more specialized to
your body. And you have to make that decision,
but you have to be honest with yourself about how
you feel. You can't go down and sit, sit and have
a big meal and then realize. And you just need to
realize, okay, I'm not going to feel my energy
core. I'm not going to feel as light. And then
you kind of weave your way through it and work
your way through what makes you feel good, you

(50:21):
don't want to feel bloated, you don't want to
feel heavy, you don't want to feel sleepy. Those
are all things that the food is taking your
energy instead of giving you energy.

That's a really helpful way to look at it because
I don't, I don't really, I don't bring food up
much on this podcast as people probably notice,
for the exact reason you just said. I'm like, you
know what? I don't know, I don't know what you
should eat.

All natural foods. You're not going to go wrong.

Yes, I agreed. Yeah, within, yeah, like nobody
should be eating hyper processed foods or foods
that aren't real food. But beyond that, I'm like,
I don't know.

You really want to stay away from seed oils. So
if you're so again, the best of the worst. So we
use a brand. I'm going to throw a shout out to
cfe. They just got bought out so you have to
watch them now. I got to make sure they don't
change. They're made with avocado oil, you know,
so it's like, so you start with, start with
something that you know and you can start making
substitutions that you. So instead of a regular

(51:23):
chip, you get a chip that's made with avocado oil
and cassava flour. So you're getting gluten free,
grain free and so you can have that as a snack so
you don't feel so deprived and you have your
taste buds change. And so as, as you start to
clean out your diet, your taste buds change. So
just you be kind to yourself. Do not beat
yourself up. I just read a study by Eric Topol

(51:47):
out of California on Pro and it re just
reintroduced the, the dosage of protein because
everybody's still caught up on protein and you
really want about 0.8 grams per kilogram in a
day. If you're over 60. Out of his studies, he
recommended 1.2 grams per kilograms of protein
because when you get too much protein, then

(52:08):
you're talking about kidney damage,
cardiovascular disease, it's too much. Your body
doesn't need that much. Plus your gut biome makes
protein. If you clear off all those receptors and
allow it to use the building blocks, the amino
acids from fruits and vegetables, you're going to
have enough protein because your body's going to
make it. We calculated out our meal one day. We

(52:29):
had 80 grams of protein and hadn't had dinner yet
on fruit and a salad and, and healthy and so it's
like you just need to just kind of change what
you know and open yourself up to options.

Right. So tell me, tell me, like, how you got
protein from fruit and salad.

So protein is simply amino acids. The most
bioavailable protein is beans, legumes and seeds.
Nuts.

Right.

About 20, 20, 25 of the protein and meat is
bioavailable. The rest of it gets digested and
pooped out.

Yeah.

And your body. So your body takes that full
protein, breaks it down into the amino acids it
needs, and creates the proteins that it needs.
Because your body's a protein factory. And so
it's, It's. If you just eat the parts your body
can make the protein that it needs, either one is
fine.

Right.

It's not wrong. Your body's intelligent.

Yeah. And I think that's the, the important thing
is we, we get a little dogmatic, especially about
food. We people get dogmatic about everything.

And we really just try to make it as simple as
possible and still have fun. And that's what it's
about. You're here to have fun.

You know, you know what? Yes. And that's circling
back to where we started before. And I, I also
just want to say, like, I do some of this, like,
super esoteric people that I have followed or
read over the years. They do say, they did say
that as our frequency rises, our need to eat food

(54:14):
will be reduced and our need to eat animal
protein will be reduced. I'm not there yet, but I
do see what you're saying. And so what we want to
look for is not, is this on the good list or the
bad list? But how do I feel after I eat it?

Right.

How is my energy? How is this resonating with my
frequency? Okay.

Changes day by day.

Right? Yeah. And yes, in life moments, I've
noticed things I used to enjoy and can no longer
eat. But I do want to talk about. Yeah. The
having fun. We're here to have fun. And at the
beginning you said, oh, that moment where. Or not
that moment, but reaching the point where you
realized, like, it's okay to be happy.

Yes.

And it's okay to have fun and to make things fun.
Unless it's impossible. Sometimes is impossible.
But bounce back to the fun.

Yes. Really, when you, if you give yourself that
little pause and you can step back and really not
get involved in the chaos and just really look at
what's going on, most of it's just hilarious
because we create our own drama. We do it all.
It's like we're Creating our story as we go and

(55:28):
wow, let's make it more fun. And I think that
together it'll shift a lot faster.

Yeah, I know. And we do. We make up these
stories. I've had, like, a really busy couple
weeks and like, I feel these moments where I'm
like, I've only sanctioned your. And then I'm
like, what are those things, Meredith? What are
they? I'm like, oh, I get to interview Tina on a
podcast. Oh, I get to help fundraise for my
children's school district. Oh, I get to like,
write a blog post. Like, these are great things.

(55:56):
But my mind. My mind likes to take everything and
just turn it into a storm cloud.

That's what we've been trying to do, you know,
that's what. That's what everybody has taught you
what to do. And so it's just change of
perspective. The first thing that happens, change
in perspective. And just saying, I'm really okay.
I don't want to do this anymore because it hurts
too much. What else can I do differently? And
people will not change until the pain becomes too
great, you know, and so don't wait that long.

Yes.

Have fun before it gets too late.

A good marker of growth. It's like, how little
pain do I have to be in before I make a required
change?

Perfect. Perfect.

A little bit less each time. Hopefully a lot less
each time. Quantum leaps. Let's think in quantum
leaps.

There you go.

Violeta wanted to jump in. Do you want to unmute
yourself, Violeta? Hi.

Hi there.

Nice to meet you, Violeta. I am. I'm a
psychiatrist and I have various different roles.
One is the emergency department. I'm actually.
The reason I'm not on video is because I'm
getting ready for my shift soon. And the other is
neurotherapeutics. So amongst the. The procedures

(57:16):
is ketamine administration, too.

What about. I'm sorry, what about it?

That I administer ketamine as one of my other
therapeutic tools.

Oh, sorry, tool. Yeah.

Yeah, it is. But the more. And right now I'm. I'm
actually going to transition somewhat into a mod.
A model where I can incorporate quantum concepts
freely, which will be great. But one thing I have

(57:58):
noticed, even in the current allopathic model
where I'm administering ketamine, is how its
limitations and it really doesn't suit everybody.
And I'm wondering, given your experience or

(58:22):
exposure, what do. What do people usually think
about it? When I. When patients come to me, they
have. They have, you know, thoughts that this is
going to Address everything or that. It's. It's
a. It's really like a harmless, harmless agent.

(58:43):
What's. What has your experience been?

So typically, what will happen is you have that
breakdown of the consciousness and the. And the
ego just long enough to get you. Get you in the
door. That is where the integration comes in.
Plant medicine is simply a door that opens to a
different perspective. That's all it's doing.

(59:06):
Things like ayahuasca can actually get the trauma
out, but when you have something like ketamine,
you're overriding those. Those systems that are
in place so that you can reprogram them. And that
is why integration is the most important part of
all of this. Because now I have somebody who is
vulnerable, and we can say, okay, this is. This

(59:26):
happens before you ever even give ketamine. You
have this plan in place, in. Okay, what are we
addressing? I do body work when I have people on
it, and so I help get some of that trauma out.
And as they're coming out, we are talking. We're
talking about their trauma, what they experienced
during the journey, how do we apply those things?

(59:47):
And we really talk a lot about the experiences
that we've had in both the ER and in our own
lives. And that's telling. That story of how you
integrate is going to be one of the most
important things. You need to experience ketamine
yourself. So you know what it feels like. Yeah.

Meredith Oke (01:00:05):
Opportunities like that for professionals are few
and far between.

Dr. Tina Hills (01:00:09):
They are. But, you know, you have somebody with.
There's tons of ketamine clinics that are
starting to pop up. But that may be something
that I would really consider because I wouldn't
do anything that I would ask somebody to do. I
would never send someone to Ayahuasca. I would
never have anybody use psilocybin if I hadn't
done it myself and knew what it felt like.

Yeah. And I think perhaps a different. A
different setting maybe, because I think it as
you. Oh, I don't know. But in my current setting
in allopathic medicine, where I practice, it's
definitely not something. I think there would be
some scrutiny.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. This is going to be
something that's in a private practice where you
have someone who's really cold, set and set is
really isolated out. It's set and setting is
everything. You have to set the intention. You
have to set the space so that it's calm, it's.
It's inviting, it is safe for that person. And as
they start to go down, they have to be able to

(01:01:05):
really let go, because people can still kind of
hold on, and it becomes a little bit of a fight
as they go down. But if you have them set, we're
going to have fun today. We're going to do this
work, but we're going to have fun. And the energy
that you bring into that room is going to make
the difference. When I was working on that guy
with the shoulder, I was in a freestanding. I was
called a freestanding er. He was the only one

(01:01:26):
there, and so I had all the time in the world to
spend with him. And then I had a few patients
trickle in, but my attention was. I had had the
ability to give my patient that. That attention.
And so if I do it now, it's not typically in the
er. It's typically done in right over there on
that couch, actually. Or people can come over
here and they lay down right there and have a

(01:01:49):
great experience. And it, like I said, just when
you guide them, it depends on how you hold that
space and how you control that space. That. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, definitely.

Yeah.

Thank you.

You're so welcome.

Thanks, Violeta. Good to see you. All right,
Tina, this was amazing. We'll have to do it again
sometime.

All right.

And any. Are there any last thoughts coming to
you that you want to share? I think. Feel like
there might be.

I think we got it out okay. I think got a. I
think we have a good one for the day. That's a
lot to think about for people.

Yeah, it is. We. We covered. We covered a lot of
bases there.

We did cover a lot of bases.

And so, yeah, just maybe after you listen to
this, go for a little walk, or maybe you're
already out for a walk and let it process.

And I'm happy to have people reach out to me and
ask me questions. I'm easy. Really, really super
easy to find me online. And so just reach out.

So, yes, let's tell people how to find you. So
you have a private practice. Is that in Florida?

It's a concierge, actually. So we kind of go. But
I have heal me backslash. Dr. Tina Hills is
probably the easiest. Our website is being redone
right now, and so it's taken. It's under
construction. That's probably the easiest. Other
than Instagram. It's Progressive Health
Management. PHMX or Dr. Tina Hillsdio.

Either one on Instagram. Okay. And yeah, look up
Tina. Connect with her. And yeah, thanks for
being an amazing. An amazing light in the world.

You brought this. This knowledge into the world
and exactly when it was needed. Man, and it's
just. Thank you. Thank you. Because you
participated in my healing journey to a point
that I cannot even express my gratitude. You and
Carrie and everybody. And I truly appreciate it
because I wouldn't be here without you. So thank
you.

Thank you, Tina. Thank you so much. I look
forward to chatting with you again and covering
even more.

Yeah. Talk about something more specific next
time so we can.

Yeah, I love to do that. Yeah, do, like, a big,
broad overview, and then next time we can go
deep. Deep. Maybe ayahuasca or something. I
haven't gone deep on that yet.

All right, girl.

All right. Thank you.

Bye. Bye.

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