June 12, 2025 • 64 mins
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"The body voice becomes stronger than the voice of the trauma," says Terra Martin, hypnotherapist and newly certified Applied Quantum Biology practitioner, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective podcast to reveal how her musical background informs her unique approach to healing trauma. Martin explains how she "hears" emotions in her clients' voices, likening it to discerning musical notes, and how this skill allows her to quickly identify underlying issues.
In this fascinating discussion, Martin shares insights on the intersection of hypnosis, psychology, and quantum biology. She describes how trauma becomes trapped in the body, replaying on a cellular level, and how practices like circadian rhythm optimization and grounding can help release it. Martin also recounts remarkable case studies, including a client whose neck tumor disappeared after addressing emotional issues.
Tune in to today's episode to learn more about Martin's innovative techniques for trauma resolution, the power of the body's innate wisdom, and how quantum biology principles are revolutionizing her practice.
5 Key Takeaways
1. Practice listening to the intonation and cadence in people's voices, not just their words. This can reveal hidden emotions and provide deeper insights into what someone is really feeling or experiencing.
2. When triggered emotionally, try counting backwards from 10 while slowing your breathing. This helps regulate your energy and prevents absorbing others' intense emotions.
3. Use hypnosis or similar techniques to open the "doorway" between your conscious and subconscious mind. This allows processing of stored traumas without reliving the pain.
4. Incorporate circadian rhythm optimization practices like morning sunlight exposure, blue light blocking, and grounding. This helps anchor trauma healing in the physical body.
5. Focus on educating yourself about your own stress patterns and responses. Approach personal growth as a process of self-discovery rather than fixing something "wrong."
Memorable Quotes
"Hypnosis allows the body to do what it needs to do, but it won't always be logical. As a therapist, you've got to hang on and go for a ride. It's not my direction that guides it, it's the body's direction. The body knows the bottom line."
"When you clear trauma out, which is what quantum seems to do, everything I've done comes into greater play. Physically, clients get clearer on their cells because the sunlight helps so much."
"There hasn't been one client I've given this information to that hasn't benefited to some degree. To me, it's sold. It's the way to go. Plus, it's away from the medical, which we could talk for hours on."
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Meredith Oke (05:00):
Terra Martin, welcome to the QVC podcast. This is
going to be fun.
Terra Martin (05:05):
Happy to see you, Meredith.
Meredith Oke (05:07):
Okay, so I want to start with your origin story,
because you studied music and you were on the
path to. Towards music composition and being a
professional musician, and then you moved over
into psychology and hypnosis. So tell me about
that transition and, like, what. What, if any,
(05:30):
overlap there is in those areas?
Terra Martin (05:32):
Okay. Well, I started in music, and I intended to
spend my life composing on the piano and perhaps
getting hired by the Toronto Symphony Orchestra
and then living on peanut butter and crackers the
rest of my life. And a professor said, you have a
passion for music. You love it, and do you want
(05:53):
to hate your passion when it doesn't provide you
a living? Then I thought about it, and I said,
no, you're right. So then I moved to taking
courses in psychology, hypnotherapy, cbt, and was
going to choose that because to me, when I first
heard those things and I listened to people
(06:15):
speak, I go, I can do this. It's like music. It's
like I can hear the rise and fall of their voices
as they say certain words and certain sentences.
And I do this all the time when I'm listening to
music or composing. So it's an easy. It's an
easy. I don't really have to get used to it. I
have to sharpen my ear in a slightly different
(06:37):
way. So I did that, and then I came back to
music, and now I own about six instruments. I
haven't met an instrument I don't like, so I have
to be careful when I go on ebay.
Meredith Oke (06:51):
That's amazing. So your life is filled with music
and in the traditional sense, but also you see
your patients through the lens of a trained
musician's ear.
Terra Martin (07:05):
Correct.
Meredith Oke (07:06):
So you were saying, like, you hear in their
voices when they speak.
Terra Martin (07:10):
Well, for example, if they come into the office
and one lady came in and she stood at the door
and she said, I'm not upset. And I heard right
away it was grief, because I could hear. There's
physical words you speak, but then there's an
intonation. That's the music. And I heard that
she had grief. And I said, it's okay. You can
(07:32):
cry. And then she burst into tears and came and
did a session. Right. But I could hear. It was my
ear that told me what it was.
Meredith Oke (07:42):
So your. Your ear that's been trained musically,
picks up emotions as though they're music under
inside of the cadence of someone's speaking voice.
Terra Martin (07:55):
Exactly, exactly. And over the years, yes, it
became more honed because more clients, more
time. Of course, you get really good at it. And
even when I'm out socializing, I can. Without
wanting to. You pick it up. You don't. It's not.
I'm trying to work or anything, but it just
became so overused that it's automatic.
Meredith Oke (08:20):
Right. That's so interesting. I mean, what an
incredible tool to have in your toolbox. As
someone who sees clients or patients, how do you
refer to them? Clients or patients?
Terra Martin (08:30):
I call them clients.
Meredith Oke (08:32):
Clients. Okay. Who sees clients? And it's part of
your job to understand where they are
emotionally. You can just hear it.
Terra Martin (08:42):
I can hear it. And it's. It saves some money
because the quicker I pick it up, the quicker
they can go through a. Reckon, you know,
recognize it. And, you know, truthfully,
therapists don't change people. People change
themselves. That's the truth. You know, I'm. I'm
a. I'm a mirror. I'm a facilitator. I'm not the
(09:05):
changer. They are.
Meredith Oke (09:09):
Yes, I completely agree with that. One of my
coaching members used to say, you know, you can
coach anybody on anything as long as they're
coachable.
Terra Martin (09:21):
That's right.
Meredith Oke (09:22):
Like, if they're not coachable, don't sign the
contract.
Terra Martin (09:25):
That's right.
Meredith Oke (09:29):
So I love. I love this idea of. Of hearing the
emotions as music are there certain. Because I
know that, you know, a lot of us, sometimes you
can tell when somebody is using words to say one
thing, but the body language or the energy, or
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you can just tell, you feel that cognitive
dissonance, that it's not. It's not lined up with
how they're really feeling. So they'll say like,
oh, I'm fine, or, oh, no, that's no problem, or.
Or even just telling a story as though it's no
big deal. But you can feel like a gap between
what's being said. And so you pick that up. Well,
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in many different ways.
Terra Martin (10:14):
It takes about a paragraph because people have
learned to hone their intonation like, you know,
how are you? Nice weather. We all have a nice
package of sound bite for that. But going on with
a paragraph or two, we go back, we default to our
natural intonation. And as soon as that happens,
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then there's a whole wealth of information. If
you're listening to people not only for context,
but the rise and fall of their voice, there's a
whole wealth of information of, you know, if
someone says, I really like my mother, well,
guess what, there's two messages there. Verbally
(10:57):
yes. Sentence wise, they like their mother. But
intonation, there's something, Something there.
There's some information there that can be
unpacked.
Meredith Oke (11:08):
So have you noticed that there are different
intonations for different types of emotions?
Terra Martin (11:16):
Yes, a lot. There's a generalization, there's a.
There's a global intonation for anger, fear,
guilt, doubt. But then there's mixes, because
nobody's pure anger, nobody's pure doubt,
nobody's pure love. So when it gets mixes, that's
where it gets really interesting because it's
like a different piece of music. It's
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combinations of sound and. And feel. It's a sound
feel.
Meredith Oke (11:46):
Right, so like the. A feel in your body as you're
hearing them speak.
Terra Martin (11:52):
Yes, but it's also a feel of if they're saying
something that's all of a sudden they speak very
slowly out of the blue, or they speak very fast.
The intonation is squeezed. So it's like they're
playing at one end of the piano versus the other
end of the piano. They're trying to slow down
something which is an emotion of some sort of. Or
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they're trying to speed it up to get past it.
Because there's memories happening while they're
speaking.
Meredith Oke (12:23):
Oh, that's so interesting. And it's funny as
you're describing it, I'm like, oh, it sounds
like a music teacher or a voice teacher when
you're having the singer find the emotion in the
song. But that's just what we're naturally doing
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as we speak all the time.
Terra Martin (12:45):
Yes, we do. Yeah, it's a natural thing we do. But
we never kind of scientifically observe it. We
never observe it and say, wow, I'm doing this. I
mean, even with myself, I know there's certain
people that my intonation changes right away and
I go, oh, pay attention. Like you're telling
yourself something. Or there's other people that
(13:08):
I don't really mind however it comes out or
however I, however I say it. Like you're one of
those people. As soon as I met you, I go, I like
her. I'm going to just say whatever, whatever
comes to mind.
Meredith Oke (13:21):
Oh, great, I will. I'm happy to hear that.
Because I have to say it's a little, you know,
like when I talk to people and they're like,
yeah, I can read biofields. I can see this, I can
see that. I'm always like, I wonder what. I'm not
gonna. Not going to have myself revealed on a
podcast. But I always do wonder what they're
seeing. Well, I love that. That's one of my
(13:44):
favorite. I'm glad you feel that you can say
anything, because you probably can. I've heard a
lot of things over the years. Sometimes people
will say, like, they're so ashamed or nervous or
scared to say something, and they'll just tell it
to me. And I'm like, oh, wow, you were nervous to
tell me that you. Sweetie, I've heard it all.
(14:07):
I've heard it all. And then I'm always surprised
at how we hold ourselves back from showing up
authentically because, you know, I mean, there
are safe people and not safe people, but, yes,
true. Gosh, we're off. We're so nervous to just
say the truth sometimes, aren't we?
Terra Martin (14:28):
We are. We are, unfortunately. And that's where
people mask their intonation. They kind of
squeeze it. Like, I had one client, she's very,
very British, and her mother used to say to her
all the time, don't raise your voice. Don't raise
your voice. Don't raise your voice. Well, then
she learned to shut down her intonation and,
like, squeeze it so she would always sound
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practical, logical. And she took out all the
adjectives out of her sentences, basically. So
there was no. It was almost like there was no
emotional content in her intonation. And when she
came to see me, she goes, you know, I find people
don't, you know, find me empathetic or
communicative, you know. And I said, okay. Well,
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I said, I want you to pretend you're angry and
say something. And it came out in best British,
and it sounded like she was reading a newspaper.
And I go, we're going to work on that. But it was
the training of her mother saying, don't raise
your voice. So what she did internally was not
raise her intonation and not let it flow with her
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content or sentences. So it's like she didn't
have any of her emotions showing through, shining
and showing through in her words to making them,
you know, human.
Meredith Oke (15:51):
Wow, that's so true. And you do. There are those
people where it's like almost a monotone, right?
Terra Martin (15:59):
And that's their guarding what they feel. So it
doesn't shine and shine through their words. But
then you don't know. You don't touch the person.
You don't touch who they are, their genuine self,
because somebody or something at an event has
occurred that they felt they have to kind of sit
on their intonation.
Meredith Oke (16:23):
Because then there are people where it's like
they sound almost hysterical at the drop of a hat.
Terra Martin (16:30):
That's the people the other end, because they
don't want to believe that they're so logical,
practical, and sometimes not compassionate. So
they exaggerate it the other way. Like all
extremes, you know, absolutes. There's nothing,
you know, any absolute. There's something missing
in the piece. There's something missing in the
(16:50):
puzzle piece, right?
Meredith Oke (16:54):
Yeah. There are no absolutes.
Terra Martin (16:57):
No. Especially in quantum.
Meredith Oke (17:00):
Yes. Okay. So, I mean, this is so interesting. We
could talk the whole time about the voices. So
tell me a little bit more about how you work. So
your first clue with a client is auditory and
then what unfolds?
Terra Martin (17:22):
Well, I used to have them write 25 questions, but
I don't know. You must know this. People hate
writing down questions. It takes them forever. So
then I put it down to 10, and then I said, okay,
come to my office. Write five questions on
anything. But what I'm doing in the questioning
is saying, are you ready to put yourself in a
student position? That's all it's about. I don't
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care what the question is. And then I need to
know if they are a how mind, a when mind, a where
mind, or what, like, which. Which is the best way
I can teach them. If they're a how mind, I have
to give them the method. If they're when, I have
to tell them timing. And if they're where, I have
to give them locations. So I get the quickest. I
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want to get the quickest way in to. So that
they're not in pain anymore. So I use how, when,
and where as the. As the template.
Meredith Oke (18:14):
That is so interesting. I love that because
something that comes up a lot in my coaching is
how much information to give a client, how much
to explain to them. And a lot of people who are
drawn to study applied quantum biology love the
information, and they love sharing the
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information. And their clients don't always love
to receive it, but some of them do. Like I need
to know, I need a certain amount of how in order
to be motivated to do it correct. But I haven't.
I've not heard this distinction before. So that's
super interesting. So there's a how, a when, and
(18:55):
a where. Could you give examples? I mean, I guess
the how's pretty obvious. You explain how it
works.
Terra Martin (19:01):
Yes. When is more people who. They want to deal
with their future. They want to clear future
hypothetical problems that haven't happened yet,
but might happen according to their logic. So
then I give them this is now. If you. If you keep
repeating the same behavior going forward, it's
going to look like this. So that would be when.
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If you stop the behavior, the future can look
like this. And I kind of open it as
possibilities, different possibilities for that
type of person. And they're very much on time.
You know, they want to save time. So I'll use
that motivation for them to go. To go there and
(19:43):
do it. But you see, the reason I just divided
everybody's mind into the four is I kept finding
there was a pattern. People came that wanted,
method only. People came that wanted, well, where
will I be? Location only. If I change, what do I
get? That's how I divided it into the four
categories. Now it's general and some people are
(20:07):
crossovers, but it's a good start and it saves
quite a bit of time for them, right?
Meredith Oke (20:13):
Yeah, absolutely. If you can take the most direct
route, what will be most motivating or
persuasive? So tell me a little bit more about
the.
Terra Martin (20:23):
About the where in the where. It's events that
have happened to people. The locations become the
problem. So when someone has to know where's the
exit and where is the bathroom and where is the
front door, where's the. I know that there's kind
of triggers around there. So I'll go in a
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different way. I won't go right for the exit or
the doors. I'll go for the middle of the room or
something and say, what. Tell me about the middle
of the room, what was there? And then I'll work
my way out. So that gives me kind of a clue and a
direction to work with them. If they've had, you
know, different traumas or different. Just events
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that have happened that have caused them stress.
Meredith Oke (21:08):
Okay.
Terra Martin (21:09):
So the where gives me that. So it's just
isolating very quickly. Isolating. Kind of
instead of the big wide picture, I'm narrowing
it, narrowing it, narrowing. And I work in that
area over an hour or two. I'm trying to get the
most for their hour or two.
Meredith Oke (21:28):
Right, right. So they. They fill out the
questionnaire and then they come to you. So. And
you go from there using that sort of as a bit of
a blueprint or guiding post.
Terra Martin (21:42):
And if they do. Yeah, if they do 25 questions,
then I count the hows, I count the where's, I
count the whens that are in it. And if there
isn't any, we have a very. We have the type of
person who's very general. So I know it could be
a long haul unless I get them into using how,
when, and where. So I'll give them that lesson
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for, for one week and then start. Right.
Meredith Oke (22:06):
Okay. Yeah. That's so cool because I'm listening.
I'm like, I'm a how and a where and a when. But
the where, I'm like, I don't even know what
you're talking about. It doesn't make no sense to
me. What do you mean, the exit?
Terra Martin (22:19):
I think you're pretty open to the world, so where
wouldn't matter to you. It's all good.
Meredith Oke (22:26):
Yes, well, it means a lot to hear you say that
because it was not always the case. All right,
so. Okay, I just want to go a little big picture
for a minute. So you studied hypnosis,
psychology, emdr, which is the rapid eye
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movement. Was it cbt? Cognitive behavioral
therapy. And you've been doing this for decades?
Over two decades.
Terra Martin (22:57):
Over two decades, yes.
Meredith Oke (22:58):
Okay, so tell me, like big picture, what your
impression of trauma is. Like, what, what is it
and where. I kind of want to go because this has
been coming up a lot. I talked about it with
Eileen McKusick is we seem to have, as a culture,
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moved into an understanding of the deep, deep
implications of trauma on a person and a person's
behavior. But we seem to be a bit stuck there and
feel like it's like, oh, your child got
traumatized. They're ruined for life, right?
Like, that's the, that's the mom fear. And so in
(23:42):
my, but my experience personally and in many,
many people over, that I've seen over the years
in different situations has been that trauma is
resolvable. So that's kind of where I want to go.
But I want to start with how do you see trauma?
Like, how do you explain it to people?
Terra Martin (23:59):
Basically, it's an event that happens, say when
someone was younger. Could be five years ago, 10
years ago. Say it happened when someone was 10.
The subconscious does not let go and give the
information to the conscious, doesn't feed it
forward, because it wants to protect your logical
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mind so that you can go about your day to day
activity. So it withholds the information and it
doesn't pass that information forward. So it
keeps repeating the trauma. So it becomes like
you're on a train or you're like a mouse running
around that little treadmill thing. And that
trauma is continually playing in the back of your
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head, in sight, sound and motion and on the, on
the neurons and electrons and cells, it keeps
replaying. But you can perform your daily tasks
because you haven't been given the information to
your external. So it doesn't limit you, but
actually it does limit you. So our subconscious
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mind thinks that it's protecting us, but actually
makes a bit of a mess.
Meredith Oke (25:07):
Right. So we have these traumas, these little
treadmills, running memories.
Terra Martin (25:14):
Yeah.
Meredith Oke (25:14):
Running in the background, so to speak.
Terra Martin (25:17):
Right.
Meredith Oke (25:18):
And that is, for lack of a better word, the
energy of that is running through our bodies and
our fields and our.
Terra Martin (25:27):
Basically, what it's doing is triggering fight or
flight response all the time.
Meredith Oke (25:32):
Okay.
Terra Martin (25:33):
Even if we're not aware of it. And it's also our
mirror neurons, what they're doing is they're
copying it. They're saying, oh, we got to keep
this. This is important information. We haven't
processed it. So you keep feeding, like, whatever
you feed your mirror neurons, the more they copy
it, they can copy anything.
Meredith Oke (25:57):
So interesting.
Terra Martin (25:59):
What you feed them is what you get is basically
what I'm saying.
Meredith Oke (26:03):
So the treadmill is feeding the mirror neurons
and does that. Then when we talk about creating
our reality, are we then subconsciously
recreating little versions of that? Because
that's what we know. That's what we resonate with.
Terra Martin (26:18):
Well, then what we do is we take pieces of those.
Of that detail. It could be a room, it could be a
day, it could be a season, and that will be
repeated. And when that season comes up again,
the trauma will activate stronger because it's
going. It's happening again. It's now. So the
past becomes like a virtual reality of now. And
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that replays when the triggers set up in place or
line up. The mirror neurons say, oh, it's again.
We're doing this again. This is happening again.
So the same fight or flight response kicks in.
Meredith Oke (26:57):
Wow. So how does. How do we know? I mean, I guess
we know. Even if we can't pinpoint a trauma, if
life is unfolding in. In an uncomfortable,
painful way on an ongoing basis, is there likely
some. Some background?
Terra Martin (27:18):
There is.
Meredith Oke (27:18):
If we keep making choices and we're like, why is
this why Again.
Terra Martin (27:24):
That goes back to how well people want to get to
know themselves. Like, be educated on themselves.
Not. Not something wrong, not something right.
But they want to get educated and go, why am I
afraid when I go out the front door and I have to
touch it five times? Why don't I want to get to
the bottom of it? And I'm the expert of me.
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Therefore, if I start to ask myself how, when,
where, questions, then I will perhaps remember or
find out. But people have gotten used to the
workaround. Like, when you put it away, it's
still in the closet, but you don't have to think
about it. So not thinking about it is an
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instruction to the self. When someone says, I
want to know, I want to know, and you tell
yourself that you want to know. Interesting
things pop up out of the body parts and up to
your conscious.
Meredith Oke (28:22):
Interesting because I had an experience once. I
was doing some kind of, you know, trauma healing
modality. And, you know, the person asked me to
think of a memory. And it was. It wasn't
something. I can't remember what it was at the
moment, but it wasn't like a horrible thing. It
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was just something that happened. And I didn't
understand until we did the process that I had
attached this certain meaning to that event.
Gosh, I wish I could remember what it was. I
don't. But I was a child, and it was like one of
my parents said something to me or something
happened or I have witnessed something, and I
made an internal decision. And it wasn't an event
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that I would have described that could be
described as traumatic, But I had attached, like,
a deep meaning to it. And I was living by that as
if it was a law.
Terra Martin (29:19):
Right, right. And that's the interesting thing.
It's not about the size of it, the size of the
trauma. It's the individual, unique person,
whatever is affecting them. Whenever I deal with
a trauma, I don't go, what's the big thing? I go,
what's the thing? Right. It's because to you,
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something is very important. To someone else,
it's not, you know, to some people, they like
peanut butter. Some people don't. So everyone is
unique. But the fear is universal and the fight
flight is universal. But what the event is
actually not the important part. What the
important part is bringing that to your conscious
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and then processing it. Because your logical mind
processes, your subconscious just holds on to
things and says, well, we'll get to it another
day. So one has the ability to hold on to things,
but one has the ability to process. And when they
mix up their jobs, then things get kind of
cluttered.
Meredith Oke (30:25):
Right. So that's why it would be important to
have some kind of regular practice of cleaning
this up.
Terra Martin (30:35):
Yes.
Meredith Oke (30:36):
So we. Our circuit, you know, our quantum
circuits don't get overloaded.
Terra Martin (30:40):
Absolutely.
Meredith Oke (30:41):
Okay.
Terra Martin (30:42):
Because you guys are dealing with the extra field
like you're dealing five senses. Plus what's
happening in the quantum, that's an extra. Like
an extra sense or something, you know, I don't
know what you'd call it. Extra awareness.
Meredith Oke (30:56):
Right.
Terra Martin (30:57):
And as a coach, you have that too. You would be
very empathetic with your Your clients. And
there's a lot being transferred to you that might
be their issues that you take home without
realizing it. Right. Unless you scrub it off.
Meredith Oke (31:14):
Yeah. What are some strategies that you teach
people for, like, maintenance, trauma
maintenance, or everyday stuff to, like, do this
kind of clearing that we're talking about?
Terra Martin (31:29):
Whoops, I lost you. Sorry.
Meredith Oke (31:31):
Okay.
Terra Martin (31:32):
Whoops. How do I come back? Oh, gotcha there. I'm
back. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
Meredith Oke (31:43):
No problem.
Terra Martin (31:45):
Yes. Actually, what I have them do before bed is
put their hands on their heart and say heart
throughout the night, let me know what I need to
know about the past. And then over the next few
days, as you're doing that, you'll go, mmm, I
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remember this. Oh, I remember that. Now. You're
not looking for big events, whatever the heart
brings to you, because the heart will talk to the
head. Then it's events that just need to be
processed by thinking about them. It's not that
you have to do much, but you have to think about
them. Say, oh, I didn't think that was a big
thing, but maybe it was. Right. And it's self
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discovery. Like all my clients, I have to teach
them that they're educating themselves on
themselves. There's nothing wrong. Like, because
they have a trauma, that doesn't mean there's
something wrong. It means they don't know
themselves well enough to figure out how to get
into the trauma, get out of the trauma, and
process the trauma. But that doesn't. That
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doesn't make something wrong.
Meredith Oke (32:54):
Right? Yeah. Like if you went on a walk through a
big muddy forest and you came back all muddy.
It's not wrong. You're just covered in mud.
Terra Martin (33:04):
You're just covered in mud.
Meredith Oke (33:06):
Went for a walk.
Terra Martin (33:07):
It'll wash off.
Meredith Oke (33:08):
Yes.
Terra Martin (33:11):
Yeah, exactly.
Meredith Oke (33:14):
So tell me about, in your experience, the
resolution of trauma, whether it's the big stuff
or the small stuff, and how you see that works.
Terra Martin (33:27):
Basically, the resolution is if you visualize
your subconscious as a box of stuff and you dump
it in front of your senses. And then you start
looking at it, and your senses go, well, that's.
I was 10. What did I know? I was. Oh, and that
was grandfather. Oh, and that was, you know, the
picture on the wall fell off and broke. And, you
know, you put the details of the crime, so to
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speak, in front of your senses. Then you can
update that you were 10 and now you're 20 or 30
or 50, whatever the age, and it changes the time
zone. So you don't go back on that past train.
You're not back on the treadmill, because you're
taking yourself from 10 to 20 to 30 by updating
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the details, the physical details, the facts, the
room, the year, the summertime, winter, the
season. So it allows the information to become.
It allows the information to come forward and you
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process it with your now logic of 30 as opposed
to your logic of 10. So we have different
traumas, small, medium, large, that keep us
locked in different age groups. Sometimes we're
locked in at 10, 15, 20, and these kind of locks
keep us going back to visit it. So we leave our
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now and go back to the past and visit it when
there's triggers.
Meredith Oke (35:04):
Right? Okay, that's so interesting because I'm
remembering a time I was a member of a committee.
We were at a meeting. There were, I don't know,
maybe eight or ten of us around a table. It was
through an organization where we'd all been
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through some stuff. Everyone probably had a
certain level of trauma in their background. But
we were all just having a meeting, being grown
ups, talking about boring things like budgets or
whatever. And someone came in late and he was
really angry about a decision that had been made
at the previous meeting that he wasn't involved
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in. And he came and started. He came into the
room and started shouting. And I watched all the
faces of these adults freeze and they became
children right in front of my eyes. And I was
like, oh my gosh, it's not grownups anymore.
Every single one of them. It was like a little. A
frightened little child. And I just had this
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moment where I was like, oh my goodness. Right?
Because it was so many people all at the same
time, all experience like an angry authority, you
know, it was a big man and he was standing up and
we were all sitting down. It was just like that,
the entire room. I was like, oh, wow, that's how
it happens.
Terra Martin (36:27):
That's exactly, you're right. Exactly, exactly.
Yeah. And if you're watching, if you're outside
of it, you must be clearer from yelling than
somebody else. Then you can stay in your senses
and you'll observe what's going on instead of be
part of it.
Meredith Oke (36:46):
Right.
Terra Martin (36:47):
That's kind of like being in your senses means
you have the ability to observe rather than react.
Meredith Oke (36:57):
So if we do find ourselves right, something does
trigger someone speaks to us angrily. Like I get
triggered when people honk at me while I'm
driving. Like it's just for like a full minute
after. I'm just like out of sorts completely. So
what, how do we, how do we manage that?
Terra Martin (37:19):
The first thing I do Is I start counting
backwards from 10. I go 10, 9. And I slow my
breathing down because I want to make sure that
my emotional energy is moving slower than theirs.
And if mine's moving slower than theirs, theirs
goes over my head. Like I don't absorb it into
me. So I go 10, breathe, nine. Breathe, eight.
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And so I make sure that they actually 747 over
me, energy wise. Because anger is moving at such
a high pitch on the piano that if I'm playing a
lower, slower piece, it's not going to connect.
Meredith Oke (38:02):
Right, that makes sense.
Terra Martin (38:05):
Right, but you have to go, go slow now. But your
first instinct when someone yells is to go fast.
Yeah, but training yourself to go slow because
when you're dealing with emotions and emotional
energy, it's a whole different ball game. It's
like quantum.
Meredith Oke (38:19):
It's.
Terra Martin (38:21):
Everything's backwards. It's like Alice through
the Looking Glass.
Meredith Oke (38:25):
Right, Right. Okay. So also, one interesting
caveat, or not caveat, but bookend to that story,
is that the person who came in and yelled, he
came back at the next meeting and he was like.
And he was like, I'm sorry. Apparently I came off
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really angry. Like he had no idea he was yelling.
Terra Martin (38:52):
So that tells me two things. He's not an ear
person. And he doesn't listen to his own
intonation, so he can yell because he doesn't
hear it.
Meredith Oke (39:04):
Right.
Terra Martin (39:06):
You know, he doesn't hear his own anger, so he
can yell.
Meredith Oke (39:11):
He has no idea the effect that he's having.
Terra Martin (39:14):
No, no. He might hear other emotions that he says
and the intonation, but that's the one that he's
tone deaf on.
Meredith Oke (39:25):
Interesting. That explains so much too. When you
have like disconnect between people and someone's
feeling super, like, victimized and the other
person's like, I don't understand what your
problem is. I'm not.
Terra Martin (39:38):
Well, it was interesting. I had a couple and the
wife said, he never listens to me. And the
husband said, she never talks to me, she never
looks at me. But the truth was he never looked at
her because he was an ear person. He was really
ear. So she never talked to him because she
wanted to be looked at. And then she would have
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talked to him. So it was just the fights were
about who's the ear and who's the eye in the
relationship. And it was funny because that's
external communication that was creating kind of
a bit of war.
Meredith Oke (40:11):
Yes. Oh, that's so funny. My husband and I
actually have that all the time. He'll be like,
on his phone And I'll be telling him something.
And if it's just something, you know, like
logistical, I don't really notice. But if I want
to tell him something.
Terra Martin (40:25):
Yes.
Meredith Oke (40:26):
And he's looking at his phone like, I'll just
stop talking. And he's finally. He'll look up and
be like, what? I'm listening. Like, I need you to
look at me. I need you to look at my face while I
say this or it doesn't count. He's like, but I
can still hear you.
Terra Martin (40:44):
It's funny because we're all trained as kids to
use one sense more than another. And so say
musicians use their ears, of course. And yes,
they use their eyes, but it's not going to be
their goat.
Meredith Oke (40:58):
That makes sense because he was a musician too,
in school. Okay.
Terra Martin (41:03):
You'd be trained. That's your go to that you
would trust. Or it's your familiar sense. And as,
as it's familiar, it's your default too. So we
had some training that we had to learn to use our
unfamiliar sense with people or with clients. We
had to. I would blindfold them if they were
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visual. And, and I say, okay, now talk. And they
had a hard time talking because it wasn't
familiar to hear their intonation. Or if they
were not so visual, I had them cover their ears
and they had to look around the room. So it was
just to show that everybody has a preferred sense
that they're familiar with or they feel safe with.
Meredith Oke (41:46):
So cool. Okay. And then so I, I want to talk
about how the hypnosis plays into this. And then
how the hypnosis brought you into like the
applied quantum biology.
Terra Martin (41:59):
It plays into it because when people are
entranced, their senses become expanded. Everyone
thinks that you go deep and you act like a
chicken and do that stuff. None of that happens.
Your senses become expanded, your skin becomes
expanded. You can hear a pin drop at the other
side of the room. And what happens is you open
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the doorway between your subconscious and
conscious. So the information that's needed can
get through right to your external. So when
people are in a light trance, you know, a trance
like if you're reading a book and you're not
aware of your environment, that's a light trance.
So in that state, they can process a lot of
information from their subconscious, which
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without the pain of it. But if they go really
deep in trance, they're reliving the pain. And so
that's not as useful because they've already had
the pain, they don't need to repeat it, but they
need to open the doorway for the information to
pass through. And that's how it's used. But also
they need to open the doorway to see who they are
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on their external rather than who they think they
are.
Meredith Oke (43:11):
So it's like opening the portal between the
conscious and the subconscious to free that
little piece of ourselves. That's on that
treadmill.
Terra Martin (43:21):
Yeah, that's on the treadmill, exactly. The
information can flow forward easier.
Meredith Oke (43:28):
And what's your experience like in terms of
people getting over things?
Terra Martin (43:35):
Like, I've had lots of experiences of people. How
they get there is very different. There was one
lady who had been on Valium for years. I think 30
years she had been on Valium. And she came to the
office, and it was a new office I just rented.
And she came in and she goes, I want to clear
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this. I'm fed up with being afraid. I'm fed up. I
said, okay, close your eyes. Where do you feel it
in the body? And she went into it. And all of a
sudden she let out this primeval scream, right?
And I went, oh, my God, I'm going to lose my
lease. I'm going to get kicked out of the
building. She didn't stop for 30 minutes. She did
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this scream for 30 minutes. And I thought, I
don't want to stop her because I know I don't
want to cut that energy. I go, oh, I'll find
another office. Okay. And so then what happened
is when she came out of it, she goes, oh, I feel
so much better. The next day she called me. She
goes, I can't talk. And I go, I'm not surprised.
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She goes, what I didn't tell you was I've been on
Valium for 30 years, and I've been pressing down
my emotions, and this felt so good. And now I
think I'm going to throw away my. My Valium,
right? And I went, okay. And she goes, do you
still have your office? And I go, yeah, so far.
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But it was just, you know, that was how she chose
to deal with it.
Meredith Oke (45:04):
Yeah, that's. I was going to say, so that, like,
there was no prompting on your part. You just
opened the portal and she started to scream. That
was what her body wanted to do.
Terra Martin (45:13):
Right. And that's just. It's about the body,
actually, you're right. That's a good point. It's
what the body wants to do. Hypnosis allows the
body to do what it needs to do, but it won't
always be logical, right? And it'll be like, as a
therapist, you got to go, hang on, we're going
for a ride here. And then just let it happen.
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Because it's not my direction that guides it.
It's her body's direction or their bodies,
Whoever it is, the body knows the bottom line.
The body knows.
Meredith Oke (45:46):
Right, Right.
Terra Martin (45:47):
Because in any trauma, wherever the body's been
touched, say if someone's been raped, the skin
has recorded every single touch that's happened.
And so it's replaying the information all the
time on the cellular level. And when you clear it
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out, which is what quantum seems to do, because
that was another piece that I was missing. You
know, when they use sunlight, circadian rhythm,
then everything that I've done comes into a
greater play. And physically, they get clearer on
their cells because the sunlight helps so much to.
Meredith Oke (46:27):
Really. Yeah, I mean, that makes perfect sense to
me. But I'm curious about to hear your
observations on that.
Terra Martin (46:35):
Well, my observation is once they are clear of,
say, a client of mine bombs in Lebanon, when he
grew up, he was afraid of light. He was afraid of
the dark. And once we worked on clearing light
and dark through CBT and hypnosis, then I gave
him just the simple rules of quantum that I found
in January when I was, you know, January winter
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cohort. And he followed them. He didn't want to
know why or how. He just followed what I gave him
and what you guys gave me. And honestly, he
became a whole different person. It just brought
it more physical and more physical. So now he's.
He's wearing red, you know, the blue blocking
glasses. He's doing cold therapy. He's got
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grounding sheets. And he is like a different
person because he's not snappy, he's not jumpy.
Even though he was clear, there was still
triggers to take him back. But the quantum
grounded him in his body. Right. And he stayed
there. He didn't go back and forth in time.
Meredith Oke (47:37):
Right. Because the trauma is held in that
structured water and optimizing our circadian
rhythms and grounding.
Terra Martin (47:48):
Right, right. So he could realize where he was,
that he was clear, but he could also ground more
that he was free. Not only clear, but there's,
you know, when you're clear, it's one thing, but
you always think, am I going to go back there? Am
I going to feel that again? And this grounding
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process and the sunlight and circadian rhythm
really changed that for him. It made him trust
his body and say, you got this. You're not going
to go back there. And so he became just mellow,
like in incredibly mellow. And it was within. I
was taking the course at the time, so this was
just new stuff for me. In January and over the
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four, four or five weeks, he did this turnaround.
And I said, I am so in on this quantum stuff.
Meredith Oke (48:42):
Oh, that's great, because. Yeah. I mean, as
you've been saying, like, it's all quantum. The
hypnosis, the emdr, the. The emotions, like, all
of it. But it's these connecting that to our
physical environment and the kind of light that
we are exposed to and the quality of darkness
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that we get. Has, in your experience, shifted
your clients.
Terra Martin (49:11):
Well, it shifted them from. You know, you can
clear three quarters of the way of a trauma, but
it still has to come to the senses and has to
come to the body. And when they do reset their
circadian rhythm, that aligns everything for the
change to kick in in a very physical way. Right.
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It's not just under the surface anymore. It
becomes part of their external. So their neural
pathways are no longer saying, I need to go to
the past to protect myself. They go, I need to go
to the sun to protect myself. I need to wear blue
blocking glasses to protect myself. I need to
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reevaluate people that cause me stress. It
grounds them here and then they stay there. And
once they're in there now, then the past gets
weaker. Weaker. Weaker as a message and as. As a
text message or as an email. It gets dissipated
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the longer they stay in the moment. Right, right.
Meredith Oke (50:25):
That's really profound and makes sense because
one of, like, my personal experience, you know,
regulating my circadian rhythm, like, yes, I felt
better. I had more energy. My sleep completely
changed. But I also, yes, as you said, developed
an awareness of myself and time and space.
Terra Martin (50:48):
Right.
Meredith Oke (50:48):
That I did not have before, and an awareness of
my, you know, connection to the earth and the
cosmos and the directions. You know, like, I now
am always aware where the east and the west is
because I pay attention to the sun and there.
Yeah, there has definitely been deep emotional
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and spiritual shifts Right. From that practice,
which really just started out as, like, my sleep
is so crap and I'm. And I have chronic fatigue.
Terra Martin (51:21):
Right, right. It's just magic. When we go back
to, you know, it takes them back to their
authentic body, and then the body voice becomes
stronger than the voice of their trauma.
Meredith Oke (51:40):
The body voice becomes stronger than the voice of
the trauma. That's good. So it's not like the
trauma disappears, but it's. It's like, oh, that.
Terra Martin (51:58):
Yeah, it's just a memory that you go. That old
thing.
Meredith Oke (52:03):
Right.
Terra Martin (52:04):
Yeah, it Becomes a memory. But not now. It's not
attached to the now. And you're so involved with
your body by doing the protocols, that these
protocols take precedence. You know, like sun in
the morning takes precedence. Cold therapy takes
precedence. Grounding takes precedence. Respect
for the body takes precedence. It's the focus.
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Not the past becomes the focus. The now, you
know, the miracle that the body is takes
precedence.
Meredith Oke (52:38):
Wow, that's so beautiful. This is a way of
looking at it that I hadn't fully considered. Is
there anything else you want to say on that? The
sunlight and the darkness.
Terra Martin (52:54):
I did it with several people. And sometimes cold
therapy works for depression better than, you
know, there were certain applications, and I
don't know enough yet because I haven't done
enough clients with this modality. But I find for
people that are afraid of light, it's a little
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bit longer process. You got to clear them of
light and then desensitize them to morning light.
So if someone's not afraid of light, I can almost
go, do this, do this, do this, do this. And the
protocol you guys have given, and they will do it
now, a lot of them don't want to know what it
means, how it means, and they just want to do it.
And I go, fair enough, just do it. Right? And
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then they report back to me the changes that have
occurred and how they lose their fatigue and how
they lose. Somebody lost hives. They had hives
and they lost the hives. Some had immune disorder
and it disappeared. It kind of, you know, changed
the more light they got. And you can't explain
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it. It's just, I think it's nature. It's body.
It's body talking to nature, body talking to
circadian rhythm. I think there's a whole world
there, which you call quantum, that heals the
body and brings it back to its true setting, how
it's supposed to function. But is it totally
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explainable? No. Does it happen? Yes. Are there
results? Yes, the results are there. I think the
science has to catch up with it. But I believe in
the results. I don't care, you know, if there's
results, then it counts to me.
Meredith Oke (54:35):
Yes. Yes. And for each person that benefits, that
that's a piece of evidence, whether it's in a
double blind study or not. It's that person has a
changed life.
Terra Martin (54:48):
But there hasn't been one client that I've given
them the information that they haven't benefited
to a small degree, to medium degree, to a large
degree. So to me, sold. It's the way to go. And
plus, it's away from the medical. Which we could
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talk for hours on that one, too.
Meredith Oke (55:15):
We sure could. So just to wrap up your, you know,
approach to working with people, sort of. It's a
combination of hypnosis plus other modalities
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you've now brought in. Circadian regulation,
grounding, cold therapy when appropriate. I love
this. And I'm just curious, when people come to
you, do they come. Like, I often talk to people
when they're trying to, you know, write copy for
potential clients, and I'm like, you know, it's
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like, speak to the problem. No, no. That they're
experiencing. So do people come in with, like,
what are the most common things? Right, Like, I
want to stop smoking. I want to stop yelling at
my kids like, I'm broke all the time. Or do they
come in and say, I want to heal this trauma that
happened to me?
Terra Martin (56:17):
They're never that direct. Generally, they come
in and say, I have a problem with my mother. So
then I know it's generally the father. They say,
I am never afraid of anything, which means
they're afraid of a lot. But there's certain
common things that are stress. Like lately, you
know, in the last five years, it's a lot of
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stress, work stress. Covid has its. You know,
people are still afraid of COVID and the
aftermath of not having friends for two years. A
whole bunch of stuff is created from COVID as far
as emotional problems. But the average person now
is more. I used to see a lot of cases, heavy duty
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cases, but I've tapered it down to more
educational stuff. Now people who want to get
educated on their stress and want to, you know,
live a fuller life, a richer life. So if it's.
It's a different kind of clientele I've had from
the early days where I was kind of in a. In a
medical clinic and taking the doctor's leftovers,
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and they say, well, we. We're finished with, you
know, experimenting on them. They're yours now.
And I go, oh, gee, thanks. Right.
Meredith Oke (57:30):
What medical clinic? Like, what was that?
Terra Martin (57:32):
It was. It was OHIP clinic, you know. Ohip.
Meredith Oke (57:36):
Mm.
Terra Martin (57:37):
Yeah.
Meredith Oke (57:37):
So OHIP for people who aren't from Ontario, Is it
the Ontario Health Insurance Clinic Program?
Terra Martin (57:43):
And we. We. We were hired as. My husband and I at
the time, were hired as the hypnotherapist in the
clinic. And, you know, OHIP would bill for us,
and we would see what they gave us. And it was
about. We were working about 12 hours a day, and
we got everything that kind of they didn't want
or they were done with. And so at the time, this
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was in the. This was in the late, late 80s. Yeah,
it was the late 80s. And so hypnotherapy at that
time in Toronto was still kind of like, you know,
woo, woo.
Meredith Oke (58:18):
Yeah. I'm shocked OHIP even had you on staff.
Terra Martin (58:22):
So are we. So, so what we did is we had the front
office, which was all glass, and we would.
Whenever we brought a client in, we'd pull the
curtains. So it was like hypnotherapy in the, in,
in the closet, so to speak. And then we would
work with them. And one lady came and she had a
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lump on her neck the size of an orange, and her
husband had been a pain in the neck for many
years. So we worked with metaphors and we worked
with, you know, her breathing and her techniques
and. And then after four weeks, the lump went
flat because she was no longer angry. She went
back to school, she made something of herself,
and he fell back in love with her and was happy
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ever after. But the doctors wanted to know the
scientific. How did that happen and what did we
do? And we couldn't begin to explain it because
she was doing it, we were facilitating it, and we
were left there going, you know, we said to her,
if you tell anybody that you're fixed, we're
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gonna. We know where you live. So it was, it was
a, A different time in a different place in the
80s to do that sort of thing and get results and
still be working in the medical profession. So we
did it only for about a year because then we went
into private practice. But it was a tough year
because we were doing some amazing stuff. But it
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wasn't recognized as amazing. It was recognized
as more just fluke or last resort.
Meredith Oke (59:55):
Right, right.
Terra Martin (59:57):
But it was a fabulous training ground to push us
right into private practice, which is what we
did. Right.
Meredith Oke (01:00:03):
Perfect. Yeah. You're all set up. I know. I'm
trying to imagine that conversation. Well, how
did you do that?
Terra Martin (01:00:11):
Well, exactly.
Meredith Oke (01:00:15):
And you know, the thing that I find interesting
is that the science is catching up. I think there
probably is enough science to explain these types
of things, but they still don't care. It's like,
Right. We could show them a mountain of work on
Gilbert Ling or May Wen Ho or structured water
and frequency and vibration and the energy
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bodies. And it's still like, they'll be like, oh,
well, it wasn't in this type of study, or you
didn't do this kind of thing, or there's always a
Reason, because their minds are just not going to
accept.
Terra Martin (01:00:52):
Exactly. When I first found your site, I go, I
know this. I felt like this. I know what this is.
Meredith Oke (01:00:59):
Oh, I love it. Yeah. And so many people,
especially, you know, people from, from a more
medical or biochemical, you know, even if they're
a naturopath field, they're, they're very
intrigued by the idea of quantum biology. But
people from your world are like, oh, of course,
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you're just putting words to it. There's just
language to explain what's happening.
Terra Martin (01:01:27):
Well, it's funny. Hypnotherapy in those days
wasn't hooga booga, but it wasn't medical. So we
really didn't have a place to a group. We didn't
have a peer group really because neither group
wanted us. The medical didn't want us for sure
because we were getting results and the hooka
boogas didn't want us because we weren't hooka
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booga enough. We were more.
Meredith Oke (01:01:49):
You're not woo woo enough.
Terra Martin (01:01:52):
So we didn't make the grade either way.
Meredith Oke (01:01:56):
Well, I think it worked out because you seems to
have developed just an incredible approach and
techniques combining like a very. So many unique
aspects of yourself and your work. And so now is
the. The part where I ask you to share how people
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can find you. But.
Terra Martin (01:02:20):
I'm word of mouth. I'm word of mouth.
Meredith Oke (01:02:22):
Yes. So I was gonna say, I'm sorry to say there
is, there are no socials, there is no website.
Tara is OG OG word of mouth. So I don't know what
to say. Is there any way you want, anything you
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want to say for people? If they want to work with
you.
Terra Martin (01:02:46):
They can contact me and I can do it online. Like
I can. Do you.
Meredith Oke (01:02:50):
Do you work virtually?
Terra Martin (01:02:52):
I. I work digitally, yeah. They can do it online.
They'd have to. I can give them an email.
Meredith Oke (01:02:57):
They can say, okay, you know what we'll do? You
can. We'll make sure that you're set up with a
profile in the QVC free community.
Terra Martin (01:03:05):
Yep.
Meredith Oke (01:03:06):
So if you go to the QVC free community, which you
can join through qbcpod.com just click free
community and people listening. If you don't have
an account, set one up. It's free and it's a
great way to find people like Tara and all the
other guests that I've had on the podcast. So if
you go in there and you click in and you type in
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Tara T E R R A, her profile will come up and that
will put your private. Your contact information
in there.
Terra Martin (01:03:35):
Oh, I passed my boards.
Meredith Oke (01:03:37):
Oh, congratulations.
Terra Martin (01:03:42):
Yeah.
Meredith Oke (01:03:43):
Board certified. Applied Quantum Biology
practitioner.
Terra Martin (01:03:46):
Absolutely. Yeah.
Meredith Oke (01:03:48):
This is so exciting. Well, I look forward to
doing another interview with you down the road to
hear hear how it's all coming together and what
new insights you've had. Thank you so much.
Terra Martin (01:03:59):
Thank you.
Meredith Oke (01:04:00):
This was super fun.
Terra Martin (01:04:01):
Been a pleasure. Thank you.
Terra Martin, welcome to the QVC podcast. This is
going to be fun.
Terra Martin (05:05):
Happy to see you, Meredith.
Meredith Oke (05:07):
Okay, so I want to start with your origin story,
because you studied music and you were on the
path to. Towards music composition and being a
professional musician, and then you moved over
into psychology and hypnosis. So tell me about
that transition and, like, what. What, if any,
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overlap there is in those areas?
Terra Martin (05:32):
Okay. Well, I started in music, and I intended to
spend my life composing on the piano and perhaps
getting hired by the Toronto Symphony Orchestra
and then living on peanut butter and crackers the
rest of my life. And a professor said, you have a
passion for music. You love it, and do you want
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to hate your passion when it doesn't provide you
a living? Then I thought about it, and I said,
no, you're right. So then I moved to taking
courses in psychology, hypnotherapy, cbt, and was
going to choose that because to me, when I first
heard those things and I listened to people
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speak, I go, I can do this. It's like music. It's
like I can hear the rise and fall of their voices
as they say certain words and certain sentences.
And I do this all the time when I'm listening to
music or composing. So it's an easy. It's an
easy. I don't really have to get used to it. I
have to sharpen my ear in a slightly different
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way. So I did that, and then I came back to
music, and now I own about six instruments. I
haven't met an instrument I don't like, so I have
to be careful when I go on ebay.
Meredith Oke (06:51):
That's amazing. So your life is filled with music
and in the traditional sense, but also you see
your patients through the lens of a trained
musician's ear.
Terra Martin (07:05):
Correct.
Meredith Oke (07:06):
So you were saying, like, you hear in their
voices when they speak.
Terra Martin (07:10):
Well, for example, if they come into the office
and one lady came in and she stood at the door
and she said, I'm not upset. And I heard right
away it was grief, because I could hear. There's
physical words you speak, but then there's an
intonation. That's the music. And I heard that
she had grief. And I said, it's okay. You can
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cry. And then she burst into tears and came and
did a session. Right. But I could hear. It was my
ear that told me what it was.
Meredith Oke (07:42):
So your. Your ear that's been trained musically,
picks up emotions as though they're music under
inside of the cadence of someone's speaking voice.
Terra Martin (07:55):
Exactly, exactly. And over the years, yes, it
became more honed because more clients, more
time. Of course, you get really good at it. And
even when I'm out socializing, I can. Without
wanting to. You pick it up. You don't. It's not.
I'm trying to work or anything, but it just
became so overused that it's automatic.
Meredith Oke (08:20):
Right. That's so interesting. I mean, what an
incredible tool to have in your toolbox. As
someone who sees clients or patients, how do you
refer to them? Clients or patients?
Terra Martin (08:30):
I call them clients.
Meredith Oke (08:32):
Clients. Okay. Who sees clients? And it's part of
your job to understand where they are
emotionally. You can just hear it.
Terra Martin (08:42):
I can hear it. And it's. It saves some money
because the quicker I pick it up, the quicker
they can go through a. Reckon, you know,
recognize it. And, you know, truthfully,
therapists don't change people. People change
themselves. That's the truth. You know, I'm. I'm
a. I'm a mirror. I'm a facilitator. I'm not the
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changer. They are.
Meredith Oke (09:09):
Yes, I completely agree with that. One of my
coaching members used to say, you know, you can
coach anybody on anything as long as they're
coachable.
Terra Martin (09:21):
That's right.
Meredith Oke (09:22):
Like, if they're not coachable, don't sign the
contract.
Terra Martin (09:25):
That's right.
Meredith Oke (09:29):
So I love. I love this idea of. Of hearing the
emotions as music are there certain. Because I
know that, you know, a lot of us, sometimes you
can tell when somebody is using words to say one
thing, but the body language or the energy, or
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you can just tell, you feel that cognitive
dissonance, that it's not. It's not lined up with
how they're really feeling. So they'll say like,
oh, I'm fine, or, oh, no, that's no problem, or.
Or even just telling a story as though it's no
big deal. But you can feel like a gap between
what's being said. And so you pick that up. Well,
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in many different ways.
Terra Martin (10:14):
It takes about a paragraph because people have
learned to hone their intonation like, you know,
how are you? Nice weather. We all have a nice
package of sound bite for that. But going on with
a paragraph or two, we go back, we default to our
natural intonation. And as soon as that happens,
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then there's a whole wealth of information. If
you're listening to people not only for context,
but the rise and fall of their voice, there's a
whole wealth of information of, you know, if
someone says, I really like my mother, well,
guess what, there's two messages there. Verbally
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yes. Sentence wise, they like their mother. But
intonation, there's something, Something there.
There's some information there that can be
unpacked.
Meredith Oke (11:08):
So have you noticed that there are different
intonations for different types of emotions?
Terra Martin (11:16):
Yes, a lot. There's a generalization, there's a.
There's a global intonation for anger, fear,
guilt, doubt. But then there's mixes, because
nobody's pure anger, nobody's pure doubt,
nobody's pure love. So when it gets mixes, that's
where it gets really interesting because it's
like a different piece of music. It's
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combinations of sound and. And feel. It's a sound
feel.
Meredith Oke (11:46):
Right, so like the. A feel in your body as you're
hearing them speak.
Terra Martin (11:52):
Yes, but it's also a feel of if they're saying
something that's all of a sudden they speak very
slowly out of the blue, or they speak very fast.
The intonation is squeezed. So it's like they're
playing at one end of the piano versus the other
end of the piano. They're trying to slow down
something which is an emotion of some sort of. Or
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they're trying to speed it up to get past it.
Because there's memories happening while they're
speaking.
Meredith Oke (12:23):
Oh, that's so interesting. And it's funny as
you're describing it, I'm like, oh, it sounds
like a music teacher or a voice teacher when
you're having the singer find the emotion in the
song. But that's just what we're naturally doing
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as we speak all the time.
Terra Martin (12:45):
Yes, we do. Yeah, it's a natural thing we do. But
we never kind of scientifically observe it. We
never observe it and say, wow, I'm doing this. I
mean, even with myself, I know there's certain
people that my intonation changes right away and
I go, oh, pay attention. Like you're telling
yourself something. Or there's other people that
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I don't really mind however it comes out or
however I, however I say it. Like you're one of
those people. As soon as I met you, I go, I like
her. I'm going to just say whatever, whatever
comes to mind.
Meredith Oke (13:21):
Oh, great, I will. I'm happy to hear that.
Because I have to say it's a little, you know,
like when I talk to people and they're like,
yeah, I can read biofields. I can see this, I can
see that. I'm always like, I wonder what. I'm not
gonna. Not going to have myself revealed on a
podcast. But I always do wonder what they're
seeing. Well, I love that. That's one of my
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favorite. I'm glad you feel that you can say
anything, because you probably can. I've heard a
lot of things over the years. Sometimes people
will say, like, they're so ashamed or nervous or
scared to say something, and they'll just tell it
to me. And I'm like, oh, wow, you were nervous to
tell me that you. Sweetie, I've heard it all.
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I've heard it all. And then I'm always surprised
at how we hold ourselves back from showing up
authentically because, you know, I mean, there
are safe people and not safe people, but, yes,
true. Gosh, we're off. We're so nervous to just
say the truth sometimes, aren't we?
Terra Martin (14:28):
We are. We are, unfortunately. And that's where
people mask their intonation. They kind of
squeeze it. Like, I had one client, she's very,
very British, and her mother used to say to her
all the time, don't raise your voice. Don't raise
your voice. Don't raise your voice. Well, then
she learned to shut down her intonation and,
like, squeeze it so she would always sound
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practical, logical. And she took out all the
adjectives out of her sentences, basically. So
there was no. It was almost like there was no
emotional content in her intonation. And when she
came to see me, she goes, you know, I find people
don't, you know, find me empathetic or
communicative, you know. And I said, okay. Well,
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I said, I want you to pretend you're angry and
say something. And it came out in best British,
and it sounded like she was reading a newspaper.
And I go, we're going to work on that. But it was
the training of her mother saying, don't raise
your voice. So what she did internally was not
raise her intonation and not let it flow with her
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content or sentences. So it's like she didn't
have any of her emotions showing through, shining
and showing through in her words to making them,
you know, human.
Meredith Oke (15:51):
Wow, that's so true. And you do. There are those
people where it's like almost a monotone, right?
Terra Martin (15:59):
And that's their guarding what they feel. So it
doesn't shine and shine through their words. But
then you don't know. You don't touch the person.
You don't touch who they are, their genuine self,
because somebody or something at an event has
occurred that they felt they have to kind of sit
on their intonation.
Meredith Oke (16:23):
Because then there are people where it's like
they sound almost hysterical at the drop of a hat.
Terra Martin (16:30):
That's the people the other end, because they
don't want to believe that they're so logical,
practical, and sometimes not compassionate. So
they exaggerate it the other way. Like all
extremes, you know, absolutes. There's nothing,
you know, any absolute. There's something missing
in the piece. There's something missing in the
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puzzle piece, right?
Meredith Oke (16:54):
Yeah. There are no absolutes.
Terra Martin (16:57):
No. Especially in quantum.
Meredith Oke (17:00):
Yes. Okay. So, I mean, this is so interesting. We
could talk the whole time about the voices. So
tell me a little bit more about how you work. So
your first clue with a client is auditory and
then what unfolds?
Terra Martin (17:22):
Well, I used to have them write 25 questions, but
I don't know. You must know this. People hate
writing down questions. It takes them forever. So
then I put it down to 10, and then I said, okay,
come to my office. Write five questions on
anything. But what I'm doing in the questioning
is saying, are you ready to put yourself in a
student position? That's all it's about. I don't
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care what the question is. And then I need to
know if they are a how mind, a when mind, a where
mind, or what, like, which. Which is the best way
I can teach them. If they're a how mind, I have
to give them the method. If they're when, I have
to tell them timing. And if they're where, I have
to give them locations. So I get the quickest. I
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want to get the quickest way in to. So that
they're not in pain anymore. So I use how, when,
and where as the. As the template.
Meredith Oke (18:14):
That is so interesting. I love that because
something that comes up a lot in my coaching is
how much information to give a client, how much
to explain to them. And a lot of people who are
drawn to study applied quantum biology love the
information, and they love sharing the
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information. And their clients don't always love
to receive it, but some of them do. Like I need
to know, I need a certain amount of how in order
to be motivated to do it correct. But I haven't.
I've not heard this distinction before. So that's
super interesting. So there's a how, a when, and
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a where. Could you give examples? I mean, I guess
the how's pretty obvious. You explain how it
works.
Terra Martin (19:01):
Yes. When is more people who. They want to deal
with their future. They want to clear future
hypothetical problems that haven't happened yet,
but might happen according to their logic. So
then I give them this is now. If you. If you keep
repeating the same behavior going forward, it's
going to look like this. So that would be when.
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If you stop the behavior, the future can look
like this. And I kind of open it as
possibilities, different possibilities for that
type of person. And they're very much on time.
You know, they want to save time. So I'll use
that motivation for them to go. To go there and
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do it. But you see, the reason I just divided
everybody's mind into the four is I kept finding
there was a pattern. People came that wanted,
method only. People came that wanted, well, where
will I be? Location only. If I change, what do I
get? That's how I divided it into the four
categories. Now it's general and some people are
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crossovers, but it's a good start and it saves
quite a bit of time for them, right?
Meredith Oke (20:13):
Yeah, absolutely. If you can take the most direct
route, what will be most motivating or
persuasive? So tell me a little bit more about
the.
Terra Martin (20:23):
About the where in the where. It's events that
have happened to people. The locations become the
problem. So when someone has to know where's the
exit and where is the bathroom and where is the
front door, where's the. I know that there's kind
of triggers around there. So I'll go in a
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different way. I won't go right for the exit or
the doors. I'll go for the middle of the room or
something and say, what. Tell me about the middle
of the room, what was there? And then I'll work
my way out. So that gives me kind of a clue and a
direction to work with them. If they've had, you
know, different traumas or different. Just events
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that have happened that have caused them stress.
Meredith Oke (21:08):
Okay.
Terra Martin (21:09):
So the where gives me that. So it's just
isolating very quickly. Isolating. Kind of
instead of the big wide picture, I'm narrowing
it, narrowing it, narrowing. And I work in that
area over an hour or two. I'm trying to get the
most for their hour or two.
Meredith Oke (21:28):
Right, right. So they. They fill out the
questionnaire and then they come to you. So. And
you go from there using that sort of as a bit of
a blueprint or guiding post.
Terra Martin (21:42):
And if they do. Yeah, if they do 25 questions,
then I count the hows, I count the where's, I
count the whens that are in it. And if there
isn't any, we have a very. We have the type of
person who's very general. So I know it could be
a long haul unless I get them into using how,
when, and where. So I'll give them that lesson
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for, for one week and then start. Right.
Meredith Oke (22:06):
Okay. Yeah. That's so cool because I'm listening.
I'm like, I'm a how and a where and a when. But
the where, I'm like, I don't even know what
you're talking about. It doesn't make no sense to
me. What do you mean, the exit?
Terra Martin (22:19):
I think you're pretty open to the world, so where
wouldn't matter to you. It's all good.
Meredith Oke (22:26):
Yes, well, it means a lot to hear you say that
because it was not always the case. All right,
so. Okay, I just want to go a little big picture
for a minute. So you studied hypnosis,
psychology, emdr, which is the rapid eye
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movement. Was it cbt? Cognitive behavioral
therapy. And you've been doing this for decades?
Over two decades.
Terra Martin (22:57):
Over two decades, yes.
Meredith Oke (22:58):
Okay, so tell me, like big picture, what your
impression of trauma is. Like, what, what is it
and where. I kind of want to go because this has
been coming up a lot. I talked about it with
Eileen McKusick is we seem to have, as a culture,
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moved into an understanding of the deep, deep
implications of trauma on a person and a person's
behavior. But we seem to be a bit stuck there and
feel like it's like, oh, your child got
traumatized. They're ruined for life, right?
Like, that's the, that's the mom fear. And so in
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my, but my experience personally and in many,
many people over, that I've seen over the years
in different situations has been that trauma is
resolvable. So that's kind of where I want to go.
But I want to start with how do you see trauma?
Like, how do you explain it to people?
Terra Martin (23:59):
Basically, it's an event that happens, say when
someone was younger. Could be five years ago, 10
years ago. Say it happened when someone was 10.
The subconscious does not let go and give the
information to the conscious, doesn't feed it
forward, because it wants to protect your logical
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mind so that you can go about your day to day
activity. So it withholds the information and it
doesn't pass that information forward. So it
keeps repeating the trauma. So it becomes like
you're on a train or you're like a mouse running
around that little treadmill thing. And that
trauma is continually playing in the back of your
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head, in sight, sound and motion and on the, on
the neurons and electrons and cells, it keeps
replaying. But you can perform your daily tasks
because you haven't been given the information to
your external. So it doesn't limit you, but
actually it does limit you. So our subconscious
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mind thinks that it's protecting us, but actually
makes a bit of a mess.
Meredith Oke (25:07):
Right. So we have these traumas, these little
treadmills, running memories.
Terra Martin (25:14):
Yeah.
Meredith Oke (25:14):
Running in the background, so to speak.
Terra Martin (25:17):
Right.
Meredith Oke (25:18):
And that is, for lack of a better word, the
energy of that is running through our bodies and
our fields and our.
Terra Martin (25:27):
Basically, what it's doing is triggering fight or
flight response all the time.
Meredith Oke (25:32):
Okay.
Terra Martin (25:33):
Even if we're not aware of it. And it's also our
mirror neurons, what they're doing is they're
copying it. They're saying, oh, we got to keep
this. This is important information. We haven't
processed it. So you keep feeding, like, whatever
you feed your mirror neurons, the more they copy
it, they can copy anything.
Meredith Oke (25:57):
So interesting.
Terra Martin (25:59):
What you feed them is what you get is basically
what I'm saying.
Meredith Oke (26:03):
So the treadmill is feeding the mirror neurons
and does that. Then when we talk about creating
our reality, are we then subconsciously
recreating little versions of that? Because
that's what we know. That's what we resonate with.
Terra Martin (26:18):
Well, then what we do is we take pieces of those.
Of that detail. It could be a room, it could be a
day, it could be a season, and that will be
repeated. And when that season comes up again,
the trauma will activate stronger because it's
going. It's happening again. It's now. So the
past becomes like a virtual reality of now. And
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that replays when the triggers set up in place or
line up. The mirror neurons say, oh, it's again.
We're doing this again. This is happening again.
So the same fight or flight response kicks in.
Meredith Oke (26:57):
Wow. So how does. How do we know? I mean, I guess
we know. Even if we can't pinpoint a trauma, if
life is unfolding in. In an uncomfortable,
painful way on an ongoing basis, is there likely
some. Some background?
Terra Martin (27:18):
There is.
Meredith Oke (27:18):
If we keep making choices and we're like, why is
this why Again.
Terra Martin (27:24):
That goes back to how well people want to get to
know themselves. Like, be educated on themselves.
Not. Not something wrong, not something right.
But they want to get educated and go, why am I
afraid when I go out the front door and I have to
touch it five times? Why don't I want to get to
the bottom of it? And I'm the expert of me.
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Therefore, if I start to ask myself how, when,
where, questions, then I will perhaps remember or
find out. But people have gotten used to the
workaround. Like, when you put it away, it's
still in the closet, but you don't have to think
about it. So not thinking about it is an
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instruction to the self. When someone says, I
want to know, I want to know, and you tell
yourself that you want to know. Interesting
things pop up out of the body parts and up to
your conscious.
Meredith Oke (28:22):
Interesting because I had an experience once. I
was doing some kind of, you know, trauma healing
modality. And, you know, the person asked me to
think of a memory. And it was. It wasn't
something. I can't remember what it was at the
moment, but it wasn't like a horrible thing. It
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was just something that happened. And I didn't
understand until we did the process that I had
attached this certain meaning to that event.
Gosh, I wish I could remember what it was. I
don't. But I was a child, and it was like one of
my parents said something to me or something
happened or I have witnessed something, and I
made an internal decision. And it wasn't an event
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that I would have described that could be
described as traumatic, But I had attached, like,
a deep meaning to it. And I was living by that as
if it was a law.
Terra Martin (29:19):
Right, right. And that's the interesting thing.
It's not about the size of it, the size of the
trauma. It's the individual, unique person,
whatever is affecting them. Whenever I deal with
a trauma, I don't go, what's the big thing? I go,
what's the thing? Right. It's because to you,
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something is very important. To someone else,
it's not, you know, to some people, they like
peanut butter. Some people don't. So everyone is
unique. But the fear is universal and the fight
flight is universal. But what the event is
actually not the important part. What the
important part is bringing that to your conscious
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and then processing it. Because your logical mind
processes, your subconscious just holds on to
things and says, well, we'll get to it another
day. So one has the ability to hold on to things,
but one has the ability to process. And when they
mix up their jobs, then things get kind of
cluttered.
Meredith Oke (30:25):
Right. So that's why it would be important to
have some kind of regular practice of cleaning
this up.
Terra Martin (30:35):
Yes.
Meredith Oke (30:36):
So we. Our circuit, you know, our quantum
circuits don't get overloaded.
Terra Martin (30:40):
Absolutely.
Meredith Oke (30:41):
Okay.
Terra Martin (30:42):
Because you guys are dealing with the extra field
like you're dealing five senses. Plus what's
happening in the quantum, that's an extra. Like
an extra sense or something, you know, I don't
know what you'd call it. Extra awareness.
Meredith Oke (30:56):
Right.
Terra Martin (30:57):
And as a coach, you have that too. You would be
very empathetic with your Your clients. And
there's a lot being transferred to you that might
be their issues that you take home without
realizing it. Right. Unless you scrub it off.
Meredith Oke (31:14):
Yeah. What are some strategies that you teach
people for, like, maintenance, trauma
maintenance, or everyday stuff to, like, do this
kind of clearing that we're talking about?
Terra Martin (31:29):
Whoops, I lost you. Sorry.
Meredith Oke (31:31):
Okay.
Terra Martin (31:32):
Whoops. How do I come back? Oh, gotcha there. I'm
back. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
Meredith Oke (31:43):
No problem.
Terra Martin (31:45):
Yes. Actually, what I have them do before bed is
put their hands on their heart and say heart
throughout the night, let me know what I need to
know about the past. And then over the next few
days, as you're doing that, you'll go, mmm, I
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remember this. Oh, I remember that. Now. You're
not looking for big events, whatever the heart
brings to you, because the heart will talk to the
head. Then it's events that just need to be
processed by thinking about them. It's not that
you have to do much, but you have to think about
them. Say, oh, I didn't think that was a big
thing, but maybe it was. Right. And it's self
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discovery. Like all my clients, I have to teach
them that they're educating themselves on
themselves. There's nothing wrong. Like, because
they have a trauma, that doesn't mean there's
something wrong. It means they don't know
themselves well enough to figure out how to get
into the trauma, get out of the trauma, and
process the trauma. But that doesn't. That
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doesn't make something wrong.
Meredith Oke (32:54):
Right? Yeah. Like if you went on a walk through a
big muddy forest and you came back all muddy.
It's not wrong. You're just covered in mud.
Terra Martin (33:04):
You're just covered in mud.
Meredith Oke (33:06):
Went for a walk.
Terra Martin (33:07):
It'll wash off.
Meredith Oke (33:08):
Yes.
Terra Martin (33:11):
Yeah, exactly.
Meredith Oke (33:14):
So tell me about, in your experience, the
resolution of trauma, whether it's the big stuff
or the small stuff, and how you see that works.
Terra Martin (33:27):
Basically, the resolution is if you visualize
your subconscious as a box of stuff and you dump
it in front of your senses. And then you start
looking at it, and your senses go, well, that's.
I was 10. What did I know? I was. Oh, and that
was grandfather. Oh, and that was, you know, the
picture on the wall fell off and broke. And, you
know, you put the details of the crime, so to
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speak, in front of your senses. Then you can
update that you were 10 and now you're 20 or 30
or 50, whatever the age, and it changes the time
zone. So you don't go back on that past train.
You're not back on the treadmill, because you're
taking yourself from 10 to 20 to 30 by updating
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the details, the physical details, the facts, the
room, the year, the summertime, winter, the
season. So it allows the information to become.
It allows the information to come forward and you
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process it with your now logic of 30 as opposed
to your logic of 10. So we have different
traumas, small, medium, large, that keep us
locked in different age groups. Sometimes we're
locked in at 10, 15, 20, and these kind of locks
keep us going back to visit it. So we leave our
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now and go back to the past and visit it when
there's triggers.
Meredith Oke (35:04):
Right? Okay, that's so interesting because I'm
remembering a time I was a member of a committee.
We were at a meeting. There were, I don't know,
maybe eight or ten of us around a table. It was
through an organization where we'd all been
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through some stuff. Everyone probably had a
certain level of trauma in their background. But
we were all just having a meeting, being grown
ups, talking about boring things like budgets or
whatever. And someone came in late and he was
really angry about a decision that had been made
at the previous meeting that he wasn't involved
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in. And he came and started. He came into the
room and started shouting. And I watched all the
faces of these adults freeze and they became
children right in front of my eyes. And I was
like, oh my gosh, it's not grownups anymore.
Every single one of them. It was like a little. A
frightened little child. And I just had this
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moment where I was like, oh my goodness. Right?
Because it was so many people all at the same
time, all experience like an angry authority, you
know, it was a big man and he was standing up and
we were all sitting down. It was just like that,
the entire room. I was like, oh, wow, that's how
it happens.
Terra Martin (36:27):
That's exactly, you're right. Exactly, exactly.
Yeah. And if you're watching, if you're outside
of it, you must be clearer from yelling than
somebody else. Then you can stay in your senses
and you'll observe what's going on instead of be
part of it.
Meredith Oke (36:46):
Right.
Terra Martin (36:47):
That's kind of like being in your senses means
you have the ability to observe rather than react.
Meredith Oke (36:57):
So if we do find ourselves right, something does
trigger someone speaks to us angrily. Like I get
triggered when people honk at me while I'm
driving. Like it's just for like a full minute
after. I'm just like out of sorts completely. So
what, how do we, how do we manage that?
Terra Martin (37:19):
The first thing I do Is I start counting
backwards from 10. I go 10, 9. And I slow my
breathing down because I want to make sure that
my emotional energy is moving slower than theirs.
And if mine's moving slower than theirs, theirs
goes over my head. Like I don't absorb it into
me. So I go 10, breathe, nine. Breathe, eight.
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And so I make sure that they actually 747 over
me, energy wise. Because anger is moving at such
a high pitch on the piano that if I'm playing a
lower, slower piece, it's not going to connect.
Meredith Oke (38:02):
Right, that makes sense.
Terra Martin (38:05):
Right, but you have to go, go slow now. But your
first instinct when someone yells is to go fast.
Yeah, but training yourself to go slow because
when you're dealing with emotions and emotional
energy, it's a whole different ball game. It's
like quantum.
Meredith Oke (38:19):
It's.
Terra Martin (38:21):
Everything's backwards. It's like Alice through
the Looking Glass.
Meredith Oke (38:25):
Right, Right. Okay. So also, one interesting
caveat, or not caveat, but bookend to that story,
is that the person who came in and yelled, he
came back at the next meeting and he was like.
And he was like, I'm sorry. Apparently I came off
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really angry. Like he had no idea he was yelling.
Terra Martin (38:52):
So that tells me two things. He's not an ear
person. And he doesn't listen to his own
intonation, so he can yell because he doesn't
hear it.
Meredith Oke (39:04):
Right.
Terra Martin (39:06):
You know, he doesn't hear his own anger, so he
can yell.
Meredith Oke (39:11):
He has no idea the effect that he's having.
Terra Martin (39:14):
No, no. He might hear other emotions that he says
and the intonation, but that's the one that he's
tone deaf on.
Meredith Oke (39:25):
Interesting. That explains so much too. When you
have like disconnect between people and someone's
feeling super, like, victimized and the other
person's like, I don't understand what your
problem is. I'm not.
Terra Martin (39:38):
Well, it was interesting. I had a couple and the
wife said, he never listens to me. And the
husband said, she never talks to me, she never
looks at me. But the truth was he never looked at
her because he was an ear person. He was really
ear. So she never talked to him because she
wanted to be looked at. And then she would have
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talked to him. So it was just the fights were
about who's the ear and who's the eye in the
relationship. And it was funny because that's
external communication that was creating kind of
a bit of war.
Meredith Oke (40:11):
Yes. Oh, that's so funny. My husband and I
actually have that all the time. He'll be like,
on his phone And I'll be telling him something.
And if it's just something, you know, like
logistical, I don't really notice. But if I want
to tell him something.
Terra Martin (40:25):
Yes.
Meredith Oke (40:26):
And he's looking at his phone like, I'll just
stop talking. And he's finally. He'll look up and
be like, what? I'm listening. Like, I need you to
look at me. I need you to look at my face while I
say this or it doesn't count. He's like, but I
can still hear you.
Terra Martin (40:44):
It's funny because we're all trained as kids to
use one sense more than another. And so say
musicians use their ears, of course. And yes,
they use their eyes, but it's not going to be
their goat.
Meredith Oke (40:58):
That makes sense because he was a musician too,
in school. Okay.
Terra Martin (41:03):
You'd be trained. That's your go to that you
would trust. Or it's your familiar sense. And as,
as it's familiar, it's your default too. So we
had some training that we had to learn to use our
unfamiliar sense with people or with clients. We
had to. I would blindfold them if they were
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visual. And, and I say, okay, now talk. And they
had a hard time talking because it wasn't
familiar to hear their intonation. Or if they
were not so visual, I had them cover their ears
and they had to look around the room. So it was
just to show that everybody has a preferred sense
that they're familiar with or they feel safe with.
Meredith Oke (41:46):
So cool. Okay. And then so I, I want to talk
about how the hypnosis plays into this. And then
how the hypnosis brought you into like the
applied quantum biology.
Terra Martin (41:59):
It plays into it because when people are
entranced, their senses become expanded. Everyone
thinks that you go deep and you act like a
chicken and do that stuff. None of that happens.
Your senses become expanded, your skin becomes
expanded. You can hear a pin drop at the other
side of the room. And what happens is you open
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the doorway between your subconscious and
conscious. So the information that's needed can
get through right to your external. So when
people are in a light trance, you know, a trance
like if you're reading a book and you're not
aware of your environment, that's a light trance.
So in that state, they can process a lot of
information from their subconscious, which
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without the pain of it. But if they go really
deep in trance, they're reliving the pain. And so
that's not as useful because they've already had
the pain, they don't need to repeat it, but they
need to open the doorway for the information to
pass through. And that's how it's used. But also
they need to open the doorway to see who they are
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on their external rather than who they think they
are.
Meredith Oke (43:11):
So it's like opening the portal between the
conscious and the subconscious to free that
little piece of ourselves. That's on that
treadmill.
Terra Martin (43:21):
Yeah, that's on the treadmill, exactly. The
information can flow forward easier.
Meredith Oke (43:28):
And what's your experience like in terms of
people getting over things?
Terra Martin (43:35):
Like, I've had lots of experiences of people. How
they get there is very different. There was one
lady who had been on Valium for years. I think 30
years she had been on Valium. And she came to the
office, and it was a new office I just rented.
And she came in and she goes, I want to clear
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this. I'm fed up with being afraid. I'm fed up. I
said, okay, close your eyes. Where do you feel it
in the body? And she went into it. And all of a
sudden she let out this primeval scream, right?
And I went, oh, my God, I'm going to lose my
lease. I'm going to get kicked out of the
building. She didn't stop for 30 minutes. She did
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this scream for 30 minutes. And I thought, I
don't want to stop her because I know I don't
want to cut that energy. I go, oh, I'll find
another office. Okay. And so then what happened
is when she came out of it, she goes, oh, I feel
so much better. The next day she called me. She
goes, I can't talk. And I go, I'm not surprised.
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She goes, what I didn't tell you was I've been on
Valium for 30 years, and I've been pressing down
my emotions, and this felt so good. And now I
think I'm going to throw away my. My Valium,
right? And I went, okay. And she goes, do you
still have your office? And I go, yeah, so far.
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But it was just, you know, that was how she chose
to deal with it.
Meredith Oke (45:04):
Yeah, that's. I was going to say, so that, like,
there was no prompting on your part. You just
opened the portal and she started to scream. That
was what her body wanted to do.
Terra Martin (45:13):
Right. And that's just. It's about the body,
actually, you're right. That's a good point. It's
what the body wants to do. Hypnosis allows the
body to do what it needs to do, but it won't
always be logical, right? And it'll be like, as a
therapist, you got to go, hang on, we're going
for a ride here. And then just let it happen.
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Because it's not my direction that guides it.
It's her body's direction or their bodies,
Whoever it is, the body knows the bottom line.
The body knows.
Meredith Oke (45:46):
Right, Right.
Terra Martin (45:47):
Because in any trauma, wherever the body's been
touched, say if someone's been raped, the skin
has recorded every single touch that's happened.
And so it's replaying the information all the
time on the cellular level. And when you clear it
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out, which is what quantum seems to do, because
that was another piece that I was missing. You
know, when they use sunlight, circadian rhythm,
then everything that I've done comes into a
greater play. And physically, they get clearer on
their cells because the sunlight helps so much to.
Meredith Oke (46:27):
Really. Yeah, I mean, that makes perfect sense to
me. But I'm curious about to hear your
observations on that.
Terra Martin (46:35):
Well, my observation is once they are clear of,
say, a client of mine bombs in Lebanon, when he
grew up, he was afraid of light. He was afraid of
the dark. And once we worked on clearing light
and dark through CBT and hypnosis, then I gave
him just the simple rules of quantum that I found
in January when I was, you know, January winter
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cohort. And he followed them. He didn't want to
know why or how. He just followed what I gave him
and what you guys gave me. And honestly, he
became a whole different person. It just brought
it more physical and more physical. So now he's.
He's wearing red, you know, the blue blocking
glasses. He's doing cold therapy. He's got
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grounding sheets. And he is like a different
person because he's not snappy, he's not jumpy.
Even though he was clear, there was still
triggers to take him back. But the quantum
grounded him in his body. Right. And he stayed
there. He didn't go back and forth in time.
Meredith Oke (47:37):
Right. Because the trauma is held in that
structured water and optimizing our circadian
rhythms and grounding.
Terra Martin (47:48):
Right, right. So he could realize where he was,
that he was clear, but he could also ground more
that he was free. Not only clear, but there's,
you know, when you're clear, it's one thing, but
you always think, am I going to go back there? Am
I going to feel that again? And this grounding
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process and the sunlight and circadian rhythm
really changed that for him. It made him trust
his body and say, you got this. You're not going
to go back there. And so he became just mellow,
like in incredibly mellow. And it was within. I
was taking the course at the time, so this was
just new stuff for me. In January and over the
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four, four or five weeks, he did this turnaround.
And I said, I am so in on this quantum stuff.
Meredith Oke (48:42):
Oh, that's great, because. Yeah. I mean, as
you've been saying, like, it's all quantum. The
hypnosis, the emdr, the. The emotions, like, all
of it. But it's these connecting that to our
physical environment and the kind of light that
we are exposed to and the quality of darkness
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that we get. Has, in your experience, shifted
your clients.
Terra Martin (49:11):
Well, it shifted them from. You know, you can
clear three quarters of the way of a trauma, but
it still has to come to the senses and has to
come to the body. And when they do reset their
circadian rhythm, that aligns everything for the
change to kick in in a very physical way. Right.
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It's not just under the surface anymore. It
becomes part of their external. So their neural
pathways are no longer saying, I need to go to
the past to protect myself. They go, I need to go
to the sun to protect myself. I need to wear blue
blocking glasses to protect myself. I need to
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reevaluate people that cause me stress. It
grounds them here and then they stay there. And
once they're in there now, then the past gets
weaker. Weaker. Weaker as a message and as. As a
text message or as an email. It gets dissipated
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the longer they stay in the moment. Right, right.
Meredith Oke (50:25):
That's really profound and makes sense because
one of, like, my personal experience, you know,
regulating my circadian rhythm, like, yes, I felt
better. I had more energy. My sleep completely
changed. But I also, yes, as you said, developed
an awareness of myself and time and space.
Terra Martin (50:48):
Right.
Meredith Oke (50:48):
That I did not have before, and an awareness of
my, you know, connection to the earth and the
cosmos and the directions. You know, like, I now
am always aware where the east and the west is
because I pay attention to the sun and there.
Yeah, there has definitely been deep emotional
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and spiritual shifts Right. From that practice,
which really just started out as, like, my sleep
is so crap and I'm. And I have chronic fatigue.
Terra Martin (51:21):
Right, right. It's just magic. When we go back
to, you know, it takes them back to their
authentic body, and then the body voice becomes
stronger than the voice of their trauma.
Meredith Oke (51:40):
The body voice becomes stronger than the voice of
the trauma. That's good. So it's not like the
trauma disappears, but it's. It's like, oh, that.
Terra Martin (51:58):
Yeah, it's just a memory that you go. That old
thing.
Meredith Oke (52:03):
Right.
Terra Martin (52:04):
Yeah, it Becomes a memory. But not now. It's not
attached to the now. And you're so involved with
your body by doing the protocols, that these
protocols take precedence. You know, like sun in
the morning takes precedence. Cold therapy takes
precedence. Grounding takes precedence. Respect
for the body takes precedence. It's the focus.
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Not the past becomes the focus. The now, you
know, the miracle that the body is takes
precedence.
Meredith Oke (52:38):
Wow, that's so beautiful. This is a way of
looking at it that I hadn't fully considered. Is
there anything else you want to say on that? The
sunlight and the darkness.
Terra Martin (52:54):
I did it with several people. And sometimes cold
therapy works for depression better than, you
know, there were certain applications, and I
don't know enough yet because I haven't done
enough clients with this modality. But I find for
people that are afraid of light, it's a little
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bit longer process. You got to clear them of
light and then desensitize them to morning light.
So if someone's not afraid of light, I can almost
go, do this, do this, do this, do this. And the
protocol you guys have given, and they will do it
now, a lot of them don't want to know what it
means, how it means, and they just want to do it.
And I go, fair enough, just do it. Right? And
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then they report back to me the changes that have
occurred and how they lose their fatigue and how
they lose. Somebody lost hives. They had hives
and they lost the hives. Some had immune disorder
and it disappeared. It kind of, you know, changed
the more light they got. And you can't explain
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it. It's just, I think it's nature. It's body.
It's body talking to nature, body talking to
circadian rhythm. I think there's a whole world
there, which you call quantum, that heals the
body and brings it back to its true setting, how
it's supposed to function. But is it totally
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explainable? No. Does it happen? Yes. Are there
results? Yes, the results are there. I think the
science has to catch up with it. But I believe in
the results. I don't care, you know, if there's
results, then it counts to me.
Meredith Oke (54:35):
Yes. Yes. And for each person that benefits, that
that's a piece of evidence, whether it's in a
double blind study or not. It's that person has a
changed life.
Terra Martin (54:48):
But there hasn't been one client that I've given
them the information that they haven't benefited
to a small degree, to medium degree, to a large
degree. So to me, sold. It's the way to go. And
plus, it's away from the medical. Which we could
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talk for hours on that one, too.
Meredith Oke (55:15):
We sure could. So just to wrap up your, you know,
approach to working with people, sort of. It's a
combination of hypnosis plus other modalities
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you've now brought in. Circadian regulation,
grounding, cold therapy when appropriate. I love
this. And I'm just curious, when people come to
you, do they come. Like, I often talk to people
when they're trying to, you know, write copy for
potential clients, and I'm like, you know, it's
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like, speak to the problem. No, no. That they're
experiencing. So do people come in with, like,
what are the most common things? Right, Like, I
want to stop smoking. I want to stop yelling at
my kids like, I'm broke all the time. Or do they
come in and say, I want to heal this trauma that
happened to me?
Terra Martin (56:17):
They're never that direct. Generally, they come
in and say, I have a problem with my mother. So
then I know it's generally the father. They say,
I am never afraid of anything, which means
they're afraid of a lot. But there's certain
common things that are stress. Like lately, you
know, in the last five years, it's a lot of
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stress, work stress. Covid has its. You know,
people are still afraid of COVID and the
aftermath of not having friends for two years. A
whole bunch of stuff is created from COVID as far
as emotional problems. But the average person now
is more. I used to see a lot of cases, heavy duty
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cases, but I've tapered it down to more
educational stuff. Now people who want to get
educated on their stress and want to, you know,
live a fuller life, a richer life. So if it's.
It's a different kind of clientele I've had from
the early days where I was kind of in a. In a
medical clinic and taking the doctor's leftovers,
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and they say, well, we. We're finished with, you
know, experimenting on them. They're yours now.
And I go, oh, gee, thanks. Right.
Meredith Oke (57:30):
What medical clinic? Like, what was that?
Terra Martin (57:32):
It was. It was OHIP clinic, you know. Ohip.
Meredith Oke (57:36):
Mm.
Terra Martin (57:37):
Yeah.
Meredith Oke (57:37):
So OHIP for people who aren't from Ontario, Is it
the Ontario Health Insurance Clinic Program?
Terra Martin (57:43):
And we. We. We were hired as. My husband and I at
the time, were hired as the hypnotherapist in the
clinic. And, you know, OHIP would bill for us,
and we would see what they gave us. And it was
about. We were working about 12 hours a day, and
we got everything that kind of they didn't want
or they were done with. And so at the time, this
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was in the. This was in the late, late 80s. Yeah,
it was the late 80s. And so hypnotherapy at that
time in Toronto was still kind of like, you know,
woo, woo.
Meredith Oke (58:18):
Yeah. I'm shocked OHIP even had you on staff.
Terra Martin (58:22):
So are we. So, so what we did is we had the front
office, which was all glass, and we would.
Whenever we brought a client in, we'd pull the
curtains. So it was like hypnotherapy in the, in,
in the closet, so to speak. And then we would
work with them. And one lady came and she had a
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lump on her neck the size of an orange, and her
husband had been a pain in the neck for many
years. So we worked with metaphors and we worked
with, you know, her breathing and her techniques
and. And then after four weeks, the lump went
flat because she was no longer angry. She went
back to school, she made something of herself,
and he fell back in love with her and was happy
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ever after. But the doctors wanted to know the
scientific. How did that happen and what did we
do? And we couldn't begin to explain it because
she was doing it, we were facilitating it, and we
were left there going, you know, we said to her,
if you tell anybody that you're fixed, we're
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gonna. We know where you live. So it was, it was
a, A different time in a different place in the
80s to do that sort of thing and get results and
still be working in the medical profession. So we
did it only for about a year because then we went
into private practice. But it was a tough year
because we were doing some amazing stuff. But it
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wasn't recognized as amazing. It was recognized
as more just fluke or last resort.
Meredith Oke (59:55):
Right, right.
Terra Martin (59:57):
But it was a fabulous training ground to push us
right into private practice, which is what we
did. Right.
Meredith Oke (01:00:03):
Perfect. Yeah. You're all set up. I know. I'm
trying to imagine that conversation. Well, how
did you do that?
Terra Martin (01:00:11):
Well, exactly.
Meredith Oke (01:00:15):
And you know, the thing that I find interesting
is that the science is catching up. I think there
probably is enough science to explain these types
of things, but they still don't care. It's like,
Right. We could show them a mountain of work on
Gilbert Ling or May Wen Ho or structured water
and frequency and vibration and the energy
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bodies. And it's still like, they'll be like, oh,
well, it wasn't in this type of study, or you
didn't do this kind of thing, or there's always a
Reason, because their minds are just not going to
accept.
Terra Martin (01:00:52):
Exactly. When I first found your site, I go, I
know this. I felt like this. I know what this is.
Meredith Oke (01:00:59):
Oh, I love it. Yeah. And so many people,
especially, you know, people from, from a more
medical or biochemical, you know, even if they're
a naturopath field, they're, they're very
intrigued by the idea of quantum biology. But
people from your world are like, oh, of course,
(01:01:21):
you're just putting words to it. There's just
language to explain what's happening.
Terra Martin (01:01:27):
Well, it's funny. Hypnotherapy in those days
wasn't hooga booga, but it wasn't medical. So we
really didn't have a place to a group. We didn't
have a peer group really because neither group
wanted us. The medical didn't want us for sure
because we were getting results and the hooka
boogas didn't want us because we weren't hooka
(01:01:47):
booga enough. We were more.
Meredith Oke (01:01:49):
You're not woo woo enough.
Terra Martin (01:01:52):
So we didn't make the grade either way.
Meredith Oke (01:01:56):
Well, I think it worked out because you seems to
have developed just an incredible approach and
techniques combining like a very. So many unique
aspects of yourself and your work. And so now is
the. The part where I ask you to share how people
(01:02:16):
can find you. But.
Terra Martin (01:02:20):
I'm word of mouth. I'm word of mouth.
Meredith Oke (01:02:22):
Yes. So I was gonna say, I'm sorry to say there
is, there are no socials, there is no website.
Tara is OG OG word of mouth. So I don't know what
to say. Is there any way you want, anything you
(01:02:42):
want to say for people? If they want to work with
you.
Terra Martin (01:02:46):
They can contact me and I can do it online. Like
I can. Do you.
Meredith Oke (01:02:50):
Do you work virtually?
Terra Martin (01:02:52):
I. I work digitally, yeah. They can do it online.
They'd have to. I can give them an email.
Meredith Oke (01:02:57):
They can say, okay, you know what we'll do? You
can. We'll make sure that you're set up with a
profile in the QVC free community.
Terra Martin (01:03:05):
Yep.
Meredith Oke (01:03:06):
So if you go to the QVC free community, which you
can join through qbcpod.com just click free
community and people listening. If you don't have
an account, set one up. It's free and it's a
great way to find people like Tara and all the
other guests that I've had on the podcast. So if
you go in there and you click in and you type in
(01:03:27):
Tara T E R R A, her profile will come up and that
will put your private. Your contact information
in there.
Terra Martin (01:03:35):
Oh, I passed my boards.
Meredith Oke (01:03:37):
Oh, congratulations.
Terra Martin (01:03:42):
Yeah.
Meredith Oke (01:03:43):
Board certified. Applied Quantum Biology
practitioner.
Terra Martin (01:03:46):
Absolutely. Yeah.
Meredith Oke (01:03:48):
This is so exciting. Well, I look forward to
doing another interview with you down the road to
hear hear how it's all coming together and what
new insights you've had. Thank you so much.
Terra Martin (01:03:59):
Thank you.
Meredith Oke (01:04:00):
This was super fun.
Terra Martin (01:04:01):
Been a pleasure. Thank you.
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