July 10, 2025 • 59 mins
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"We're energy, we can raise our vibration, we can raise our frequency. It's just incredible," says Katelyn Simmons, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective podcast to share her transformative journey from traditional massage therapy to energy healing and quantum biology. Katelyn explains how she discovered the missing piece in her holistic health practice—energy work—and how it revolutionized not only her clients' healing but her own.
Katelyn discusses the power of releasing trapped emotions, the importance of grounding and sunlight exposure, and how these practices have dramatically improved her life and her baby's well-being. She delves into the misconceptions surrounding energy healing in Christian communities and how quantum biology has actually strengthened her faith.
Tune in to today's episode to learn about the intersection of energy healing, quantum biology, and spirituality, and discover how simple daily practices can lead to profound healing and transformation.
5 Key Takeaways
1. Start your day with morning sunlight exposure, even for just a few minutes. This helps set your circadian rhythm and provides numerous health benefits.
2. Practice grounding by going outside barefoot on grass or soil regularly. This can help reduce inflammation and improve overall wellbeing.
3. Explore energy healing techniques like the Emotion Code to release trapped emotions. This may help address underlying issues causing physical or emotional distress.
4. Be mindful of artificial light exposure, especially after sunset. Use dim, warm lighting in the evening and consider blue light blocking glasses.
5. Approach healing as a lifelong journey rather than a quick fix. Be patient with yourself as you peel back layers and address root causes over time.
Memorable Quotes
"As you raise your frequency and heal, you start to attract different things. The negative stuff doesn't stick to you anymore."
"Learning about sunrise light was probably the biggest game changer for me. It sets you up for the rest of the day - you precondition your skin, build that solar callus, and balance cortisol."
"We have to look at everything that affected our cells, mitochondria, muscles, and fascia - it's generational. We're peeling back these layers, and sometimes when your body gets the energy to address what's been underlying, it can be a little painful and frustrating."
Connect with Katelyn
Website: www.katelynsimmons.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katelynsimmonsofficial/
YouTube: http://youtube.com/@katelynsimmonsofficial
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/katelyn.carlson.14
Instagram course: https://katelynsimmons.teachable.com/p/instagram-academy-101
Resources Mentioned
The Emotion Code by Dr. Bradley Nelson - https://amzn.to/4ksjGZw
AO Scan technology: https://aoscanglobal.com/
Portal: The Art of Choosing Orgasmic, Pain-Free, Blissful Birth by Yolande Norris-Clark - https://amzn.to/4kunrgZ
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Meredith Oke (07:00):
Hi, Katelyn Simmons. Welcome to the QVC podcast.
Katelyn Simmons (07:03):
Hello. Thank you so much, Meredith. I'm so
excited to be here.
Meredith Oke (07:08):
So am I. I've been following your story, you
know, since you took the certification a couple
years ago. You were, like, one of the OG early
adopters on that, and I've always wanted to chat
with you about. And it just kind of now, you
know, and then you were like, oh, she's having a
baby. I'll leave her alone. And now your baby's
one year old, so time to do a podcast.
Katelyn Simmons (07:30):
I'm so excited. And you're the first podcast I've
ever been on, so this is, like, ultra special for
me.
Meredith Oke (07:36):
Oh, well, I am honored, and I'm excited to tell
your story and hear your. Hear your journey and
share it with everyone, because it's a good one.
And I also just want to mention Caitlin's.
Katelyn's baby turned 1 on May 15, and my
youngest turned 11 on May 15. And Nico Kennedy,
(07:59):
who, many of you know, had her fifth baby on May
15th. So we're just gonna all celebrate the May
15th quantum babies. Okay, so you started your
career in wellness as a massage therapist, and
(08:23):
that took you through some experiences that led
you down other paths. So let's start there.
Katelyn Simmons (08:27):
Okay. Well, 18, fresh out of high school. I knew
I wanted to be in the holistic health world, and
I didn't exactly know where that was going to
lead. I thought maybe acupuncture or maybe become
a naturopath or something. But I started with
massage therapy and the local holistic health
practitioner program near me, and then ended up
(08:49):
falling in love with massage and built my own
practice. After working for other people, I kind
of got that entrepreneurial itch and was like, I
gotta work for myself, and just started working
with people and loving, helping people, because
it's like, it was so tangible getting to put your
hands on someone and then they come in feeling
(09:11):
terrible and get up, and then they feel great.
But I started to see where it wasn't, like,
lasting. It was like, I could help them
temporarily. But so many people were coming to me
because they had chronic pain or chronic illness
or whatever was chronic. And I had. Had. I got
(09:31):
diagnosed with Lyme disease back when I was 13.
So that was also something in my story where I
was, like, also trying to figure out what was
going on with me and how I could get really
better all the way. So that led me to the
lymphatic system. Once I learned about how, you
know, why were people so puffy and why would why
(09:53):
would the inflammation go down when we would do
massage? And so I got trained in lymphatic
enhancement technology and bought this fancy
equipment for my office and then started seeing
better results with my clients. But still, it was
like, okay, well, why is their lymphatic system
not ever doing it on their own? Like, why is it
still stuck? And why are people feeling great
(10:14):
maybe for a week or two after they see me? And
then having this downhill slump? I need to come
back. Because it kind of felt like, wow, these
are lifelong clients. That's not. That didn't sit
right with me because that's what the Western
model felt like.
Meredith Oke (10:29):
Right.
Katelyn Simmons (10:29):
And I had already been through that rabbit hole.
Meredith Oke (10:31):
You wanted to be part of something that was
actually helping them stay better.
Katelyn Simmons (10:36):
Yeah.
Meredith Oke (10:37):
Not just have a temporary and.
Katelyn Simmons (10:39):
Yeah. Like, be empowered. So then that led me to
becoming an integrative health practitioner and
learning about supplements and getting trained in
all these different things and just certification
after certification searching. Meanwhile, I was
still not feeling my best. And I would go into
(10:59):
work and love my clients and help my clients and
then basically go home feeling terrible after and
picking up their energy, feeling drained, feeling
exhausted, and just. Just knew something was
missing. But I couldn't figure it out. Right.
Meredith Oke (11:16):
Because you've done all the things. You had the
massage training, you had the lymphatic training,
you had integrative holistic supplement training.
And it.
Katelyn Simmons (11:27):
It's.
Meredith Oke (11:27):
That seems like all the things.
Katelyn Simmons (11:29):
Yeah. And it did.
Meredith Oke (11:30):
It feels like that should cover it.
Katelyn Simmons (11:31):
It did.
Meredith Oke (11:32):
When most people enter a holistic healing,
they're like, yeah, that sounds good. That's all
the things.
Katelyn Simmons (11:36):
Exactly.
Meredith Oke (11:37):
Right.
Katelyn Simmons (11:38):
And, you know, I really didn't know there was
more. The only thing I knew I hadn't looked into
was energy. Right. But as my belief system as a
Christian growing up with this, you know, I guess
the paradigm is you stay away from that stuff.
Like, I remember feeling so uncomfortable in my
(11:59):
massage class just because people were talking
about crystals. Now I laugh, but it is something
that's real. People are really actually afraid of
a lot of this side of things that we're talking
about because they don't understand.
Meredith Oke (12:12):
I would love to understand a little bit more
about that because I actually did not know that
until recently. Until, you know, we. I started
getting involved in this world and, you know,
switched from creating corporate consulting
programs to helping create quantum biology
programs. And this has come up several times with
(12:35):
different people. And I was raised in the
Anglican Church, which in the United States is
the Episcopalian church. We didn't really have
rules like that. It was a very kind of standard
religion where you went and you, you know, they
didn't really say much about what you did outside
of church. And I just, I didn't know that there
(12:56):
was this deep belief where. So if you could
explain it to me. Is it. My understanding is that
it's like seen as like a form of maybe witchcraft
or.
Katelyn Simmons (13:08):
Yes.
Meredith Oke (13:10):
Evil. Evil manipulation of things that we
shouldn't be messing around with.
Katelyn Simmons (13:15):
Yeah, it's.
Meredith Oke (13:16):
Or how is it framed?
Katelyn Simmons (13:18):
I think it's probably different each person and
what they were taught and what the environment
probably felt like as a child or what they were
taught in church. For me it was looked at like
it's New Age. New Age was just basically this far
off thing that you didn't even want to learn
(13:39):
about. Like it's evil, it's wrong, it's
witchcraft. And that was a whole. That was where
my paradigm started to shift was because I was
thrown right into it. I went from like sheltered
little Caitlyn Christian everything to massage
school where then I. Everything in my life,
everyone that came in was more New age than
(14:02):
anything I had learned. So. And it was just
something that you didn't know about or like
crystals, those were evil. You see a crystal
shop, you don't go in there. That's witchcraft.
There's only witches in there. Like it's. And
it's not really talked about a lot. It's just you
just know you, you're not supposed to do it and
you don't learn anything about it or. Does that
make sense?
Meredith Oke (14:23):
Yes, it's just sort of like an off limits. Yeah,
an off limits topic. And yeah, like I could, I
can kind of understand because as with anything,
if you take it to its extreme or you do it
without ethics or, or grounding or, you know, you
have an experienced mentor or guide, like the New
Age movement could go way off the rails. So. Or
(14:46):
the, the things that are involved in it. So I do
understand from a certain perspective that you
would want to protect people from that.
Katelyn Simmons (14:55):
And I think then as someone who is really like,
I'm really strong in my belief. I'm not. I didn't
like leave. I still love Jesus. I'm still a
Christian. Like it's just hard for me to want to
be connected to the religion side of it because
then I feel like it's this weird in between of
just trying to explain. Like this is just energy.
This is just how, if you believe in God, this is
(15:17):
how God made you. This is how you're Made like
it's what you're made of. Yeah, just simplifying
it and breaking it down. Like, I don't think
anyone needs to be afraid of this stuff. And, you
know, fear. We know fear is such a low frequency.
Like, that's like the worst frequency to be
vibrating at. And so helping people switch from
fear to actual discernment, where you're really
(15:42):
using critical thinking skills and actually
looking at things. And, you know, if you read the
Bible and you believe the Bible, the Bible just
clearly says what to do. And the Bible doesn't
say anything about, like, specifically New Age or
energy or frequency. And actually, as I've
learned more, it strengthened my faith, and it's
(16:04):
made me look at the things I've grown up with and
read in the Bible and made me realize, wow,
laying on of hands, taking every thought captive,
like distance walking on water. Like, all of the
miracles, they make sense. It's like, whoa, we
live in a quantum universe, and that's how we
were created. So I think everybody, if you've
(16:24):
struggled with that, you really just try to have
an open mind and look at the science, look at
the. Look at what everything on your podcast,
like, everything points back to strengthening
your faith. If that's where you come from, if.
Meredith Oke (16:39):
That makes sense, that makes perfect sense. And,
Katelyn, you explain that really beautifully. So
I'm really glad you're doing this podcast, and I
hope you do a lot more because you have really
connected, I think, made a connection that is
going to be really profound and powerful for
people.
Katelyn Simmons (16:55):
I hope so. I hope so, because I just see, you
know, I don't believe that anyone was put on this
Earth to have to live a painful life. I think
that everyone is worthy and capable and, like,
it's your birthright to be healthy and blessed
and abundant. And for some reason, a lot of stuff
(17:17):
in religion says otherwise. And I just want to
shed light on that. Like, and this, all. This all
points to that. That, like, we're energy, we can
raise our vibration, we can raise our frequency.
It's just. It's incredible.
Meredith Oke (17:29):
It really is. And I love the word that you used
instead of fear. You didn't say faith, you didn't
say trust. You said discernment. And I think that
is a really good word choice and really profound
because nobody's saying, like, oh, just believe
everything we say. It's. Use your. Use your best
judgment at what makes sense. As you explore
(17:51):
these new paradigms, as you explore the available
research, as you connect to your own inner
wisdom, what feels true and what, what does the
evidence point to? And that's not just fully
rejecting something out of fear and not just
fully embracing something out of. Out of faith,
but moving toward it.
Katelyn Simmons (18:13):
I mean, then you'd be watching TV and say, oh,
yeah, that's true, that's true. Everything. Like,
that's terrible. I tell people that all the time.
Like, don't take what I say for truth. Look it up
yourself. I even got a message recently, someone
saying, like, can you tell me? Like, she was
really intense about one of the products I share.
I shared about Sheilajit. And it was like, well,
(18:36):
what's this? What's that? I'm like, I don't know
all the specifics. You can look at all the brands
and make a decision for yourself. You don't have
to use what I use. So we have to use discernment
in everything? Yes, everything we buy. When you
go to the grocery store, use your critical
thinking and pick what works for you.
Meredith Oke (18:54):
Yes, absolutely. And your discernment. When
listening to podcasts, I feel like sometimes
you'll have a favorite podcast host and they'll
be talking about a thing and you're like, oh, I
better take that or do it or order it. It's like,
maybe, maybe not. Again, your inner discernment
on it. Okay, so let's circle back to your
journey. So you had become very well educated in
(19:15):
the kind of baseline natural health modalities
that a lot of us know. Massage therapy, lymphatic
drainage, supplements. And it helped. But you
still, even though you felt intellectually like,
okay, these are all the things you felt inside.
Like, there's something, there's something more.
Katelyn Simmons (19:36):
Yeah. And my, my body was screaming at me too.
Like, it. There was clear signs, like,
something's missing. Because I was still
struggling, not healing from trauma I had been
through. I'd been through a lot of trauma care.
Like, I had chronic lower back pain from an
accident I had been in. I had anxiety,
(19:56):
depression, ptsd. I couldn't drive my car to my
office without having to plan to literally be
able to pull over and work through a panic
attack. Like, I was holding it together with
trying to help my clients and trying to help
myself. And just literally by the end of the day,
it was like there were days I would crawl up the
stairs to my apartment. Like, it was just so
(20:18):
intense. Like, I knew something was wrong, but I
was like, how could something be wrong when I
have a sauna? I had a full size sauna in my tiny
apartment in Southern California. My poor husband
was like, everything is well. Like, I had
everything you could possibly imagine that you
know, of in the root cause community. And I. So
(20:38):
it got to a point where I just was like,
something has to change. I. And I made a
decision. I remember the day I was looking at my
life, like, something has to change. I have to
heal. I have to get better. I have to find what
I'm missing. And so I prayed, and it was like
this divine download that I can't even. I don't
even know how. It just was like, Search Energy
(20:59):
healing. Christian energy healing on Instagram.
It was so clear. It was like. And I never had
thought of that. I was like, christian energy.
Meredith Oke (21:06):
Christian energy healing. I love how specific
these intuitive hits can be. Beautiful. Okay.
Katelyn Simmons (21:14):
It was crazy. And so I did. And it's still. It
still just makes me laugh because it's like, wow.
It. It. And it's been there, like, so many. After
I, you know, told my parents about it and worked
through the certifications and all these things,
my mom was like, you know, how many people have
told us about this, like, over the years, like,
we've been.
Meredith Oke (21:32):
So anyways, told them about Christian energy.
Katelyn Simmons (21:36):
Healing, like, specifically the emotion code and,
like, energy work, like, releasing trapped
emotions. And, you know, none of us, like, like,
what is that? Who cares? So it took, like, really
getting to a breaking point and just being
desperate and praying and making that decision.
I'm gonna change. My life has to shift. And then
(21:56):
I came across on Instagram from that search
Christian, who did the emotion code. And so I
clicked on it and she was fully booked. And so I
thought, okay, I'm just gonna look up what is the
emotion code. If she thinks it's okay, I better
look into it because at this point, I have to
have an open mind. And, you know, I. I had
already been doing, like, bioresonance in my
practice. I had some of the frequency stuff.
(22:18):
Like, my lymphatic machine was frequency back
when I was 13, that one of the things that really
helped me from Lyme so that I could be well
enough to go to high school was pulsed
electromagnetic field therapy. And we knew about
red light. Like, we knew a lot of the frequency
stuff, but not to this extent. So anyways, I went
to the emotion code website and signed up for the
(22:41):
certification that day. I'm going to learn how to
do this and teach myself. I love it. And that,
that was the start because I started learning,
like, Dr. Bradley Nelson puts it into really
amazing. Like, just. He breaks it down so good.
Like, your energy, you're made of 99.99999%
(23:03):
energy. And you have emotions, and your organs
create emotions, and if you don't let them go and
they get trapped, they're going to block energy,
and so you're going to be in pain, and they can
affect everything in your life. So then I learned
how to muscle test, which I had been wanting to
learn muscle testing for so long because there
were chiropractors I went to who did it, And I'd
(23:24):
always ask them. I was like, how do you learn how
to muscle test? I want to know, how do you do
this? And they'd all tell me, oh, you have to go
to chiropractor school. Like, okay. So that's why
I made a muscle testing course.
Meredith Oke (23:34):
I learned it out of the back of the Power vs
Force book, but.
Katelyn Simmons (23:38):
I wish I had that one, too. Like, you can learn
it on YouTube. Like, it's so. Yeah, it's. It's
how our bodies were made, right? We're like.
We're drawn to truth, and we're repelled by
false, like, lies. So anyways, that was the
start, and so I got really obsessed with it. I
started using it on all my clients, and that
(23:59):
brought up the fear in my clients. And so from
right then, as I was starting to explain it to
these people in person, I realized I felt like I
had this mission. I need to demystify this and
help people see. Like, this is not evil. This is
how your body was made. Emotions are real. And
(24:21):
just talking about your emotions isn't always
going to be what works for me. That didn't work.
I went to therapy. It felt like it just made
things worse. So this was such an incredible
tool. And then I started seeing it transform my
clients. Right there, we'd feel energy move like
wind, and my client would look at me like, did
(24:41):
you feel that? Or someone would turn bright red
when an emotion left. And it was like, whoa, this
is real. This is tangible. Like, this is. This is
the next thing. Like, we have to do energy.
That's the missing piece. So then I was, like,
searching on YouTube and looking for things about
the emotion code and came across the AO scan,
which, if you're on my page, you know, I talk
about that all the time, which is just a
(25:02):
frequency. Another frequency tool.
Meredith Oke (25:04):
Okay.
Katelyn Simmons (25:05):
And that. That was the next thing. So between the
emotion code and the AO scan, within a couple of
months, I closed down my brick and mortar because
I realized I need to go virtual. I need to get
this word out to the masses. I need to go home
and Heal and let my body heal. And it was just
like I started having 180 after 180, after 180.
(25:27):
And there's been no looking back. It's just been.
And then I found you. And then I found the
Quantum Biology collective. And I was like, whoa,
this is also cool. So I've been geeking out ever
since and just cannot get enough. It's just. It's
like, it makes it all come together.
Meredith Oke (25:46):
Beautiful. What an incredible journey. Okay, so
to walk us through a little bit, I mean, like, to
get super specific but high level. The emotion
code, how does that work?
Katelyn Simmons (25:57):
So the emotion code is basically just using your
own body's subconscious and nervous system via
muscle testing. So, like, you can press on your
body and you'll hold strong if you get an answer
from your nervous system. Yes. Or your body will
go weak if it's a no. And so Dr. Bradley Nelson,
(26:18):
you can look him up and look, read his book. It's
like, I don't know, $15 book. And you can learn
how to do it yourself, which I love. I'm like,
anything you can give people. Like, that's what
the whole quantum biology is. It's like so many
free things people can do and totally transform
their life so fast. It's like, yeah, everyone
needs it anyway. So you identify a trapped
(26:39):
emotion. So we could go like, do I have a trapped
emotion? Yes. And then you can ask your body
questions, where is that trapped emotion? Your
liver? And then simply release it with, I guess
you could say, similar to acupuncture, you swipe
over your governing meridian three times and the
emotional energy leaves. Did that kind of wrap up
(27:02):
what it is?
Meredith Oke (27:03):
Yes.
Katelyn Simmons (27:05):
And so then he goes deeper into the body code and
the belief code. And it's really cool, but it's
like a tool I think everyone should know how to
do.
Meredith Oke (27:15):
Yes. You know, there are so many, you know, as
you were just saying, like, keeping our circadian
rhythms regulated, like that is just. Should be
sort of a basic thing that everyone understands
coming out of the gate.
Katelyn Simmons (27:27):
Right.
Meredith Oke (27:28):
Like, you mostly, if you're at all health
focused, you mostly know, like, to eat healthy
food and, like, drink clean water. And there,
there are so many things that could just be
foundational pieces of information that we all
have, that we all do ourselves, that we don't
have to outsource to other people. We don't have
to hire if you have, if you do have us. I'm big
(27:50):
on working with practitioners for sure, but
there, there are so many things we can do just in
Our day to day lives that we're not, you know,
that we've been told are really complicated. And
I had a really good conversation with Eileen
McKusick about that where she does the bio. Like
her biofield tuning.
Katelyn Simmons (28:10):
She was one of the ones that, like, once I read
her books, I was like, chakras, there's nothing
wrong with chakras. It's part of our body.
Because that was another big one in the Christian
community. I was like, oh, I love her so much.
Like, I've read her books so many times because
she's so incredible.
Meredith Oke (28:26):
Oh, I love that. Yes. No, exactly. Well, I was
just going to say it's like we had this
conversation where we've sort of been led to
believe that trauma is like really embedded and
complex and you can't get rid of it. And
unresolved trauma absolutely has cascading
effects throughout our lives, but it doesn't have
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to be unresolved.
Katelyn Simmons (28:50):
Exactly, exactly. And I had been at. I was at
that point where I thought, because I had had
like a really scary thing happen to me and then
got rear ended on the freeway a couple weeks
later. And it felt like I was never gonna. It
took me years to heal from it because it. And it
felt like it was gonna live with me forever. But
then as soon as I started releasing trapped
(29:10):
emotions and I did biofield tuning eventually
too, once I found her, I was like, I bought her
tuning forks, I took her self course and like
started doing it all. But it was like, oh, the
memory is still there, but it's not creating this
physical reaction in my body anymore. I can drive
my car without shaking and having a panic attack.
(29:32):
I can think about what happened and not be
paranoid that someone's always chasing me or like
there can be things that used to be triggers and
it's not creating that physical response. And I
think that was a big piece to why, you know,
things weren't. Weren't healing. It was like
affecting. It affects your cells and it blocks
the meridians from flowing and like Eileen talks
(29:53):
about, it stays in your biofield, but it's like
you can just clear it out and have freedom and
it's transformative. Yeah.
Meredith Oke (30:05):
And I feel like still to this day I feel a little
bit bad saying that. I feel like, oh, no, like,
don't make it sound so simple, Meredith. That's
not fair. But like, why not?
Katelyn Simmons (30:17):
I mean, you know, it's a paradigm shift and
people, you know, you have to make a choice. I
had to make a choice to stop being in victim
mode. I think I feel so confident talking about
it, because I was there. I felt like, this is so
hard. How could anyone say anything to me
otherwise? How could you tell me to look at the
bright? Bright side? How could you? I remember
one of. I went. Used to go get colon
(30:38):
hydrotherapy, and I remember she'd tell me, she'd
be like, you know, sometimes we attract what we
are. Maybe you need. Like, she actually tried
saying that to me, and I was like, what? How
could you say? Like, I was mad afterwards, So I
get it. Like, but now, coming through it and
being on the other side, it's like, wow, we do
have to shift from victim to being triumphant.
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Like, I am going to heal. I am going to change. I
am going to let this be in the past. Because
that's something I saw with my clients, too. I
built up my practice. I had all these people who
would come to see me for. Well, I went virtual,
but we do sessions, and a lot of people, not
everybody, but a good chunk of people, there was
a disconnect where they weren't really ready to
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let it go. Like it was part of their identity.
And that's another thing I had to learn, too.
Lyme is not me. Lyme is just a thing. And I'm
gonna move forward from it. Like, so there's that
whole piece of. Yeah. Not being victim anymore.
Meredith Oke (31:38):
Absolutely. And it's no small thing.
Katelyn Simmons (31:41):
It is.
Meredith Oke (31:42):
It is in the wider culture, I think, much safer
to feel like a victim than to feel like a
successful person and show up that way.
Katelyn Simmons (31:52):
And it feels like our society's, like, made to
make that thrive. Like, it's. It's almost like
we're going against 99% of everybody to show up
as successful and healed and different.
Meredith Oke (32:09):
Yes. And there's. There is currency in being
traumatized and damaged. And I'm gonna go. I'm
just gonna go all the way with it. And I'm
speaking of someone who has also healed a lot of
things. I haven't got into it on. On this
podcast, and I probably won't, but it was a lot.
It was a lot of things. And I think that in order
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to fully let go of that victim mentality, in
order to fully let go of, like, oh, well, I have
this trauma, so I can't. It's. It's a way to have
low standards and low expectations for ourselves
and always give ourselves a way out.
Katelyn Simmons (32:52):
Chills, mic drop, like, whoa, that needs to be a
quote. You need to put that in a quote and put it
on your Instagram. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's
huge. That was really profound.
Meredith Oke (33:13):
Yeah. And I say that not just from. That's what I
see as a coach and other people. That's what I
saw in myself.
Katelyn Simmons (33:21):
Yeah.
Meredith Oke (33:21):
And then it's a continuous journey to move
through it. Every time we do something new, we
move through a version of it.
Katelyn Simmons (33:29):
Yes. That's what, that's what came to mind was I
had to come to another version of it when I got
pregnant. And when I read, you know, I went. I'm
not going to go into all the birth stuff. That's
a whole other topic. But I read Yolanda Norris
Clark's book and I almost feel like that's a book
that, that everyone should read. Whether you want
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to be a mom or not, or you've already had kids
and you're, you know, she just dives into that,
the whole victim mentality too, and she breaks it
down. And it helped me. I ended up having a free
birth, and that was my choice. And my husband and
I did that together. And I know everyone has
their opinions on that, but I felt so empowered.
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And it was like the last. Well, I'm sure there's
more to work through, but another big chunk of
that victim of the negativity of it just, it
helped me shed that. Like, giving birth in that
way was so empowering. It was like I gave birth
to a new version of myself. And afterward, I
remember I just felt like, wow, I'm stepping into
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my most authentic self now. And that's actually
something that really helped in every area of my
life. But it is a continual shedding. It's like
the onion, you gotta peel back all these layers
and it's kind of the never ending onion, but it.
Meredith Oke (34:50):
Yes. And some days you're like, where is the
goddamn end of this onion?
Katelyn Simmons (34:56):
Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.
Meredith Oke (35:02):
Sorry to swear. I just want everyone to know when
I swear, I have calibrated the words to resonate
at a very high frequency. It's not real swearing.
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So I, I was reading some of your experience and I
wanted to talk about this a little bit more. You
mentioned it briefly, but when you were doing in
person work with people, you were seeing them in
your clinic. You were, you know, putting your
hands on them to do them, to do massage therapy.
You talked about, like, the energetic effects of
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that and how you had to learn to shield yourself
and ground yourself and protect yourself in that
experience. So I know a lot of people who are
still. There are a lot of people who are still in
the. In person you ultimately chose to go
virtual. But while you were still in that space,
how did you come to understand how to stay
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protected while working with other people?
Katelyn Simmons (36:11):
Yeah, I remember one. As I was learning, I talked
to a few of my clients about it. I was like, man,
sometimes clients come in and I feel like. Like I
touch them, and if they're angry, I'm angry, and
they leave happy. And if I remember specifically,
like, there would be times when someone would
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come in with something really severe, like cancer
or something, where they were just really down in
the dumps, low and in pain. And I would almost
feel. I would feel the pain in the exact same
spot that they were saying. And so I remember
just feeling like, what is this? This is so
weird. I don't want this. This feels icky, and it
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just would feel heavy. Can you hear my baby
really loud in the back?
Meredith Oke (37:01):
I can hear her very quietly, and.
Katelyn Simmons (37:03):
It'S beautiful, so don't worry about it. It's so
weird to be away from her. Anyway, so I was
talking to some clients about it, and they were
like, well, just envision a white bubble around
you. I think, okay, that's cool. And I started
trying to do that, and I think it helped a
little, but I didn't totally understand, so that
was kind of the start. And then I started
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learning more about grounding, and I started just
envisioning myself before I would go in to work
with a client. I'd envisioned myself having my
energy grounded deep into the earth. And that was
something that really helped me a lot. But it was
never really enough until that short period when
I learned about the emotion code and the AO scan.
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And I was really seeing how, like, with muscle
testing, you can swipe, see if you can see your
governing meridian three times, the sweat, you
know, and clear energy off of you. And so now I
still do that to this day. If I walk past someone
and I feel something, I'm just like, get off of
me. And that really started helping. And then the
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AO scan, there's frequencies you can run for
energetic clear and energetic shield. And those
made such a difference. It was, you know, those
last few months or couple months in my practice,
I started doing that every day, and it was just a
game changer. So.
Meredith Oke (38:25):
So tell me a little more about the AO scan. I
don't know what that is.
Katelyn Simmons (38:28):
Oh, okay. So the AO scan is a subscription that
you can have on your phone. You can log into it
from basically any device like, that connects to
the Internet, and it will transform your computer
or your phone into A frequency generator. So
you're familiar with bioresonance, Right. Where
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you can get a scan. Like, I used to have a really
expensive one. You put your hand on it and it
would scan your whole body. And I'd have to be
with clients for like an hour and a half and to
see everything that's out of balance in your body
energetically. So it's not lab work. It's not.
It's like taking a picture in time, like a
snapshot in time to see where your body's
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resonating at. So this goes from, you know, all
of your bones to your nerves, your mitochondria,
which I started geeking out about that once I was
in the course, the quantum course, because it was
like, whoa. Like, I can optimize my mitochondria
every day. So this is a little different from a
lot of bioresonance on the market, because you
can then optimize everything it scanned for that
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was out of balance. So it's like, I don't pay
attention a whole lot to the reports. I just love
to put my body back into homeostasis every day.
And then on top of that, there's custom sound
therapy. So, like voice analysis. You can record
your voice and create sound therapy tailored to
exactly what emotions you need to release and
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bring balance to which that was a huge piece.
That was like emotion code with. That was. I
mean, I felt like that's why I was clearing so
much so fast, because it was like, whoa, I'm. I'm
getting to the root of the emotions. And it's so
cool because it shows the physical connections
and the energetic connections to those emotions
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that it found out of balance within your voice.
You know how people are so telling. Like you can
hear them talk and they're happy, or you can hear
them talk and you get depressed. You're like,
whoa. Like, I feel that this technology actually
picks up. It scans over 10,000 frequencies within
your voice to like, spit out these frequencies
for you every single day or however much you want
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to do. So then there's the whole. You know,
there's so much. That's why I talk about it so
much on my page. And I have like hour long
YouTube videos on it. And, like, it's so in
depth. It's. It used to be a $38,000 practitioner
system. Like doctors and clinics have it.
Meredith Oke (40:54):
Yeah.
Katelyn Simmons (40:54):
But then I believe it was in 2021, Lauren
Swenson, who developed all of this, he had the
vision, and they had the vision to bring that
sound therapy part to everybody. Because, you
know, everyone was struggling in 2020.
Meredith Oke (41:07):
Yeah.
Katelyn Simmons (41:08):
And then they made it so now anyone can have
access to it. So there's so much more cool
subconscious reprogramming. There's a lot, but
that's what the EOS scan is.
Meredith Oke (41:19):
That's really fun.
Katelyn Simmons (41:21):
It is fun.
Meredith Oke (41:22):
So that, yes, helped with your ability to stay
within your own energy and not take. Take on
whatever your clients were bringing in that day.
Katelyn Simmons (41:32):
And I think shedding those layers of emotions
too, like just working on yourself, releasing
trapped emotions gives you the space where you're
actually, like, resilient. You're not, because,
you know, everything acts like a magnet. So if
you have, I don't know, 20 on the low side, 20
trapped emotions of fear, those are always going
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to be attracting more emotions of fear or things
that vibrate at that same level. So if you have
all these trapped emotions of unworthiness,
sadness, depression, anxiety, like I had all of
these just bombarding me. And I remember working
through, I felt like I was like releasing
thousands of trapped emotions. It attracts more
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of that into your life because you're. That's
where you're vibrating at. So as you raise your
frequency and you heal and just, you know, like,
we see people release parasites, right, when they
just. They just start doing the circadian stuff.
Like, just raising your frequency helps you shed
the negativity and the sickness and the disease
and the bad stuff, and you start to attract
different. And you. The stuff doesn't stick to
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you.
Meredith Oke (42:38):
It's so cool. It's also amazing. And it's, you
know, back to what we were saying earlier, right?
Like, if we had just some baseline understanding
of this, we could be clearing that stuff out as
we go. You know, it's like being like, oh, you
know, instead of like vacuuming once a year, it's
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like, oh, I'm supposed to vacuum once a week.
Okay. Right. Like, you know, we, we allow these
things to build up because we can't see them. And
we, we've been left ignorant of. Of how to just
do maintenance that way. But it's. When I got
pregnant, it's not that complicated.
Katelyn Simmons (43:16):
It's really not. But when I got pregnant, I was
like, I'm gonna start releasing all the inherited
trapped emotions this way. Because when you
release the inherited stuff, it releases in your
kids too, and your whole generational line and
started releasing them from my baby. I'm like,
once a week I just check, and there's really
nothing there. But it's just. It feels so cool to
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be able to Set up a little human from the
beginning without coming in with all this baggage.
Meredith Oke (43:46):
That's really beautiful. That's so beautiful. I
love that. So you brought up mitochondria. Talk
to me about, you know, like, let's sort of bring
it together with just daily habits and the
lights, you know, the light and dark cycles and
all of the circadian stuff. How have. How has it
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all sort of come together for you? Because you
did. You did the deep dive. You studied, you got
certified, so you went all the way.
Katelyn Simmons (44:18):
Yeah. So that was. That's. I think, what really
helped get my hormones. It just, like, tied it
all together. It was like, okay, these are the
things that are so foundational. It's like. It
brings you to the terrain theory. Like, if the
terrain is good and our hormones are, you know,
producing at the right times of the day, it just
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all makes it, like. It's just cohesive. Your body
can now work. So. Learning about sun. The sun was
my favorite because, you know, Heather's program
on the sun. It was so. Because I've always loved
the sun. I've wanted to go bake in the sun for
hours on end, and I've, like, wanted to be out in
the morning. Like, it's just something I think
we're all born with intuitively. But then society
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comes in and just kind of crushes it. Like,
you're. You get almost tuned into everything else
feeling good. Like, it feels good to sleep in and
feels good to look at your phone until it
doesn't. Until it, like, actually is wreaking
havoc on your health. So learning. I think the
first day I listened to that about sunrise, I
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started going outside every morning, and it made
such a difference. It was like, whoa, I can feel
a difference. And I just craved to be outside
even more. And that was probably the biggest game
changer for me, was because I Learning about how
just that sunrise light, whether it's cloudy or
not or whatever the weather is, like, it sets you
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up for the rest of the day where you're not
gonna. You know, you precondition your skin. You
build that solar callus. You set up cord, like,
cortisol. Like, I love talking about cortisol
because it's. We have these free tools you can
use to balance things. So I just started, like,
being out. I remember cold mornings. I'd bundle
up and sit outside with my coffee for, like,
three hours. Like, I'm gonna heal. I'm gonna heal
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with sunlight even more. And that's just carried
through, like, the first couple days after my
baby was born, I would bring her outside, like,
every day. Like, we're getting sunlight, we're
getting. I still bring her out at sunrise. We go
out, like, every couple hours to get all the
white codes. And the only thing that's been hard
with a baby is wearing my blue light blockers.
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That's been tough because she just wants them.
Meredith Oke (46:35):
She just pulls them off your face. Yeah, that's
true.
Katelyn Simmons (46:38):
Yeah. I still wear them at night, but when she's
asleep. Yeah, yeah. It's just. It's. It's. It's
life. And once you build the habit, it's a part
of your life. Like, it just. It's a part of your
life now. Like, you can't go any other way. And
grounding, like, every morning we go ground. It's
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just turned into such a nice routine. And I think
that's actually really helpful for moms with
young kids is if you have this routine where you
get the sun, you ground, you go outside multiple
times, no matter what the weather is, or you
crack a window. Like, it really. I mean, maybe
it's just my baby's temperament, but she is so
happy all the time. And I can tell if we need
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more sun or need to get outside or need to ground
if she starts to not be a little happy. And then
it's like, instant. We get in the grass, we get
in the sun, we go to the beach. Instantly, she's
just perfect again.
Meredith Oke (47:35):
Wow, that's really interesting, because I know,
you know, for a lot of parents, it's like, oh,
I'll turn the TV on, or I'll give them a show.
Oh, they're a bit grumpy. Like, I'll just give
them a show to watch or.
Katelyn Simmons (47:46):
I think that makes sense.
Meredith Oke (47:47):
I definitely did that back in the day. But, yeah.
Oh, going outside a couple shows.
Katelyn Simmons (47:54):
But the windows always open and the doors open in
short amounts of time. But I can see. I can see
that change her, too. So it's. I've almost, you
know, I go back and forth, like, should we watch
a little bit of something so I can drink my
coffee or. No, it's always better when we just go
outside. Yeah, but no judgment. It's there. It's
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just. You can do these little things, like open
the window if it's on, or, you know, I want to
get a projector at some point, because that'll be
a little better, but.
Meredith Oke (48:23):
Oh, that's a fun idea. Yes. And truly, no
judgment. My children all have screens, and, you
know, we live. We don't homeschool. We live in
the. In the prescribed prescription world of, you
know, normal society. And, you know, that's just
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how we've chosen to do it.
Katelyn Simmons (48:46):
And, yeah, it just shows how powerful it still
is, though. Like, you don't have to live some
hippie woo woo life for this to change your life.
And you don't have to, like, change your whole
identity and be a totally different. Like, that's
just who I am. I love being outside and I want to
homeschool. That's just me because I was
homeschooled when I was little. But no, not
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everyone has to do that. It's so, like, just work
it into your schedule. Like, I loved when Carrie
would talk about just cracking the windows on her
way to school drop off or opening the sunroof
and, you know, popping on your blue light
blockers or wearing wired headsets instead of
Bluetooth and just all the simple little things
you can shift.
Meredith Oke (49:27):
Yes. And when, you know, I think that's an
important message I always like to bring up is
every little thing matters. You know, going
outside in the morning for even five minutes,
even two minutes before other light hits your
eyes or, you know, not turning on those big
overhead lights after sunset. Like, just little
things. And one thing I hear a lot is people are
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like, oh, I listen to your podcast, but I'm just
so overwhelmed at the thought of changing every
light bulb in my house. I don't think. I don't
think I can do this circadian thing. And I'm
like, oh, my gosh, if I left you with that
impression, the. My bad. Just don't turn them on.
It's very simple. You don't have to change
everything. Just have some lamps with
incandescent bulbs and don't turn on the big
lights. You don't have to because, you know,
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we're all. We all have ceilings filled with those
LEDs that.
Katelyn Simmons (50:16):
And a lot of us have husbands who think it's
really annoying for it to be dark. It's a fight
over here. So, you know, it's. It is what it. Not
all of our bulbs are changed. I've slowly changed
them. And he's like, why are these so dim? Did I
get any brighter? So it's. Just do what you can
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and it's gonna help no matter what. Like, it's
not perfection. And that's like, it goes for
everything with health. It's not perfection. And
everything in your life, you cannot show up
perfect for anything. And if you try, you're just
gonna be depressed.
Meredith Oke (50:55):
Right. It's another one of those traps that we
set for ourselves. Right. We're like, I am going
to play an unwinnable game, and I'm not allowed
to feel successful or happy until this unwinnable
game is won. But it's unwinnable.
Katelyn Simmons (51:13):
And that's like. I don't know if you want to talk
about abundance at all, but, like, that's one of
the huge blocks to abundance. Like, we get so
caught up in what's next and what. What can I do
to, you know, if you're on social media, like, do
more posts and, like, all this perfection instead
of just enjoying where you're at now, doing what
you can now, knowing that it's good enough and
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just, you know, everyone struggles with that. I
still struggle with that, but it's. It's so much
more enjoyable to go through life. And I think it
frees up your healing when you don't try to
control. Because it's like human nature is to
control everything and grip onto everything
really tightly. But as soon as you surrender,
it's like, the river can flow, everything can
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work. And then, you know, I feel like the bad
stuff doesn't affect you as much.
Meredith Oke (52:03):
Yes. And I find too, when you get in that flow,
then ideas come and we feel called to do things
that will require us to push ourselves a little
bit.
Katelyn Simmons (52:15):
Yes.
Meredith Oke (52:16):
But it's coming from this place of abundance, not
a place of, like, I have to do this.
Katelyn Simmons (52:21):
Yes. And it's fulfilling and it's like your
passion. And it's like, it's so different. It's
so different. Like, it's. It is hard work to do
any of, you know, to change your life in any way.
It's hard work, but it's harder to stay where
you're at. In my opinion. It would have been a
lot harder if I would have just stayed where I
was at. I'd be. Yeah, it was hard work to get
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where I am now, but so worth it. And not as hard.
Yeah, yeah.
Meredith Oke (52:48):
Not as painful.
Katelyn Simmons (52:51):
And so rewarding.
Meredith Oke (52:55):
Yeah, it's amazing. Life is really cool. And I
love, you know. Yeah, I love this chat, like, and
coming into the mitochondria, you know, and the
idea of, like, clearing our emotions, clearing
toxic light. Right. Like these. These are all the
frequencies and these, these little.
Katelyn Simmons (53:18):
These, these.
Meredith Oke (53:19):
I don't even know. I saw Martin Picard, who does
a lot of really interesting mitochondrial
research and bioenergetics, and he was. He did a
post recently. He's like, we gotta stop with the
powerhouse of the cell. It's been 60 years. It's
not accurate. And I thought, okay, so what are
(53:41):
we? What's the new catchphrase? And so now I call
on everyone if we're. If we're gonna upgrade from
powerhouse of the cell, like what should we call
it? Because it encompasses everything. Right. As
you were saying. Right. Like strengthening our
mitochondria from physical practices like
grounding and reducing toxic light.
Katelyn Simmons (54:02):
Oh.
Meredith Oke (54:02):
Gives us energy for emotional healing which may
come. Which may come next. And that. That idea of
the nonlinear healing and people. You know, I've
had people reach out to me lately who said they
started with the circadian stuff and like their
sleep is worse and they're like, yeah. And it
turned out I had all this emotional work to do.
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So it's just so interesting how our bodies.
Katelyn Simmons (54:28):
Yeah, the whole layer thing. A layer cake. Yeah.
It's just I feel like too. People need to
remember as you heal, this is like a lifelong
journey. It's not a three week cleanse. It's not
a three month cleanse. This is lifelong. And we
weren't. It's not just our lifetime. We have to
look at everything that affected ourselves and
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our mitochondria and our muscles and everything.
Our fascia, like the fascia is so complex. It's
like generational. It's multi. Generational
things that have affected us. And so we're
peeling back these layers. And sometimes when
your body gets that energy to actually be able to
address what's been underlying or hiding deep in
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your tissues or in your organs, it's gonna be a
little painful and be a little frustrating
because now your body's like, oh, hey, I can
target this. I can clear this out. I can. You can
feel this emotion now, and it's just. It's just a
part of it.
Meredith Oke (55:29):
Yeah. And I love what you just said. You can feel
this emotion now. Because I think so much of our
energy goes towards making sure we don't have to
feel certain things. And I've been really digging
in lately. I've been putting myself out there and
pushing myself to do things. And I'm like, oh,
but it's gonna make me feel. And I'm like, yep.
And it did. And you know what? It passes. It just
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flows through. I think if I'm not trying to block
it or six seconds.
Katelyn Simmons (55:58):
Yeah. For an emotion to pass. Yeah. But it can.
You know, but then it can trigger. You know, the
cool thing about trapped emotions is they talk
about how they're really energetically the size
of your fist, but when they get triggered, they
can blow up to the size of a balloon or a beach
ball energetically. And then that can kind of
create this trigger effect through your whole
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body, triggering the rest of them. And so it can
feel so overwhelming when you first start, but it
does get easier and easier and easier the more
you let yourself feel, because then you can
actually feel in the moment when something's
happening too. Because that's actually how
emotions get trapped. We stuff it down and we
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don't feel it, and we, like, we want to avoid it.
And that creates this cycle of just stuffing it
down, stuffing and stuffing, and, you know.
Meredith Oke (56:48):
Yeah.
Katelyn Simmons (56:49):
Creates this whole problem.
Meredith Oke (56:52):
And then the problems begin or continue or get
worse or whatever. Oh, my goodness, Caitlin, it's
been so delightful to talk to you. I'm so glad we
got to meet and have this conversation before I.
You share sort of how people can find you. Is
there anything that else that you'd like to say
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before we wrap up?
Katelyn Simmons (57:16):
I don't know. I just. It's just all so good. I
feel like we could talk for hours. Like, there's
just so many different rabbit holes you can go
down and just. It's all so good. And quantum
biology is just. It's life changing. And I didn't
think that the emotional side of it really fit in
to the quantum biology. You know, back when it
was the two part course and then the second part
(57:39):
came in and Carrie was talking about Eileen, I
was like, oh, they know about Eileen McKusick. I
was so excited. Like, it was like, this does fit
in. It's all together. So I was like, am I
talking about the same stuff? Does this fit in
together? And then that kind of led me to looking
for trapped emotions specifically affecting the
mitochondria in my clients. And, like, looking at
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it from this whole new lens of, like, how are
emotions affecting the circadian side of it, the
quantum side of it? And it just kind of turned
into this whole new, like, it is connected and
it's all important and we need to focus on all of
it.
Meredith Oke (58:17):
Yeah. Oh, I love that. Yeah, for sure. No, it is
because it's. I mean, we. I think light's a great
way in because it's so misunderstood and ignored.
And it's just such an easy fix once you
understand the basics of it. But at the end of
the day, light is. Is frequency. Emotions are
frequency. It's all frequency. And it's trapped
in the. In the structured water in our bodies,
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and it's doing all the things. And there's sound
and light and the motion code and all of it works
with the energy of our body as you so beautifully
laid out.
Katelyn Simmons (58:51):
Yeah, yeah. And so many ways to address all of
that, too. Like, there's, you know, emotion
code's not the only way. There's breath, there's
sound bowls, there's somatic work. There's, like,
so many different avenues people can go down to
just start healing. And all of it's raising our
vibration and raising our frequency. So it's all
connected.
Meredith Oke (59:12):
Yeah, I love it. And so where can people find
you, Katelyn?
Katelyn Simmons (59:17):
The best place is probably my Instagram.
Aitlinsimmonsofficial, and that's where I'm most
active, like, in my DMs. I am on my Facebook, but
everything from Instagram just gets uploaded to
Facebook, so I'm not super active over there. My
YouTube's really not consistent yet, but I'm
planning to do more YouTube, so probably
(59:39):
Instagram.
Meredith Oke (59:41):
Okay, great. So that's at Caitlin Simmons,
official on Instagram. And Kaitlyn is spelled K,
A, T, E, L, Y, N Simmons. S, I, M. Thank you so
much. This was delightful, and we'll have to do
it again. Thank you, Meredith, and
congratulations on one full year of being a mama.
Katelyn Simmons (01:00:03):
Thank you. It's been the best.
Hi, Katelyn Simmons. Welcome to the QVC podcast.
Katelyn Simmons (07:03):
Hello. Thank you so much, Meredith. I'm so
excited to be here.
Meredith Oke (07:08):
So am I. I've been following your story, you
know, since you took the certification a couple
years ago. You were, like, one of the OG early
adopters on that, and I've always wanted to chat
with you about. And it just kind of now, you
know, and then you were like, oh, she's having a
baby. I'll leave her alone. And now your baby's
one year old, so time to do a podcast.
Katelyn Simmons (07:30):
I'm so excited. And you're the first podcast I've
ever been on, so this is, like, ultra special for
me.
Meredith Oke (07:36):
Oh, well, I am honored, and I'm excited to tell
your story and hear your. Hear your journey and
share it with everyone, because it's a good one.
And I also just want to mention Caitlin's.
Katelyn's baby turned 1 on May 15, and my
youngest turned 11 on May 15. And Nico Kennedy,
(07:59):
who, many of you know, had her fifth baby on May
15th. So we're just gonna all celebrate the May
15th quantum babies. Okay, so you started your
career in wellness as a massage therapist, and
(08:23):
that took you through some experiences that led
you down other paths. So let's start there.
Katelyn Simmons (08:27):
Okay. Well, 18, fresh out of high school. I knew
I wanted to be in the holistic health world, and
I didn't exactly know where that was going to
lead. I thought maybe acupuncture or maybe become
a naturopath or something. But I started with
massage therapy and the local holistic health
practitioner program near me, and then ended up
(08:49):
falling in love with massage and built my own
practice. After working for other people, I kind
of got that entrepreneurial itch and was like, I
gotta work for myself, and just started working
with people and loving, helping people, because
it's like, it was so tangible getting to put your
hands on someone and then they come in feeling
(09:11):
terrible and get up, and then they feel great.
But I started to see where it wasn't, like,
lasting. It was like, I could help them
temporarily. But so many people were coming to me
because they had chronic pain or chronic illness
or whatever was chronic. And I had. Had. I got
(09:31):
diagnosed with Lyme disease back when I was 13.
So that was also something in my story where I
was, like, also trying to figure out what was
going on with me and how I could get really
better all the way. So that led me to the
lymphatic system. Once I learned about how, you
know, why were people so puffy and why would why
(09:53):
would the inflammation go down when we would do
massage? And so I got trained in lymphatic
enhancement technology and bought this fancy
equipment for my office and then started seeing
better results with my clients. But still, it was
like, okay, well, why is their lymphatic system
not ever doing it on their own? Like, why is it
still stuck? And why are people feeling great
(10:14):
maybe for a week or two after they see me? And
then having this downhill slump? I need to come
back. Because it kind of felt like, wow, these
are lifelong clients. That's not. That didn't sit
right with me because that's what the Western
model felt like.
Meredith Oke (10:29):
Right.
Katelyn Simmons (10:29):
And I had already been through that rabbit hole.
Meredith Oke (10:31):
You wanted to be part of something that was
actually helping them stay better.
Katelyn Simmons (10:36):
Yeah.
Meredith Oke (10:37):
Not just have a temporary and.
Katelyn Simmons (10:39):
Yeah. Like, be empowered. So then that led me to
becoming an integrative health practitioner and
learning about supplements and getting trained in
all these different things and just certification
after certification searching. Meanwhile, I was
still not feeling my best. And I would go into
(10:59):
work and love my clients and help my clients and
then basically go home feeling terrible after and
picking up their energy, feeling drained, feeling
exhausted, and just. Just knew something was
missing. But I couldn't figure it out. Right.
Meredith Oke (11:16):
Because you've done all the things. You had the
massage training, you had the lymphatic training,
you had integrative holistic supplement training.
And it.
Katelyn Simmons (11:27):
It's.
Meredith Oke (11:27):
That seems like all the things.
Katelyn Simmons (11:29):
Yeah. And it did.
Meredith Oke (11:30):
It feels like that should cover it.
Katelyn Simmons (11:31):
It did.
Meredith Oke (11:32):
When most people enter a holistic healing,
they're like, yeah, that sounds good. That's all
the things.
Katelyn Simmons (11:36):
Exactly.
Meredith Oke (11:37):
Right.
Katelyn Simmons (11:38):
And, you know, I really didn't know there was
more. The only thing I knew I hadn't looked into
was energy. Right. But as my belief system as a
Christian growing up with this, you know, I guess
the paradigm is you stay away from that stuff.
Like, I remember feeling so uncomfortable in my
(11:59):
massage class just because people were talking
about crystals. Now I laugh, but it is something
that's real. People are really actually afraid of
a lot of this side of things that we're talking
about because they don't understand.
Meredith Oke (12:12):
I would love to understand a little bit more
about that because I actually did not know that
until recently. Until, you know, we. I started
getting involved in this world and, you know,
switched from creating corporate consulting
programs to helping create quantum biology
programs. And this has come up several times with
(12:35):
different people. And I was raised in the
Anglican Church, which in the United States is
the Episcopalian church. We didn't really have
rules like that. It was a very kind of standard
religion where you went and you, you know, they
didn't really say much about what you did outside
of church. And I just, I didn't know that there
(12:56):
was this deep belief where. So if you could
explain it to me. Is it. My understanding is that
it's like seen as like a form of maybe witchcraft
or.
Katelyn Simmons (13:08):
Yes.
Meredith Oke (13:10):
Evil. Evil manipulation of things that we
shouldn't be messing around with.
Katelyn Simmons (13:15):
Yeah, it's.
Meredith Oke (13:16):
Or how is it framed?
Katelyn Simmons (13:18):
I think it's probably different each person and
what they were taught and what the environment
probably felt like as a child or what they were
taught in church. For me it was looked at like
it's New Age. New Age was just basically this far
off thing that you didn't even want to learn
(13:39):
about. Like it's evil, it's wrong, it's
witchcraft. And that was a whole. That was where
my paradigm started to shift was because I was
thrown right into it. I went from like sheltered
little Caitlyn Christian everything to massage
school where then I. Everything in my life,
everyone that came in was more New age than
(14:02):
anything I had learned. So. And it was just
something that you didn't know about or like
crystals, those were evil. You see a crystal
shop, you don't go in there. That's witchcraft.
There's only witches in there. Like it's. And
it's not really talked about a lot. It's just you
just know you, you're not supposed to do it and
you don't learn anything about it or. Does that
make sense?
Meredith Oke (14:23):
Yes, it's just sort of like an off limits. Yeah,
an off limits topic. And yeah, like I could, I
can kind of understand because as with anything,
if you take it to its extreme or you do it
without ethics or, or grounding or, you know, you
have an experienced mentor or guide, like the New
Age movement could go way off the rails. So. Or
(14:46):
the, the things that are involved in it. So I do
understand from a certain perspective that you
would want to protect people from that.
Katelyn Simmons (14:55):
And I think then as someone who is really like,
I'm really strong in my belief. I'm not. I didn't
like leave. I still love Jesus. I'm still a
Christian. Like it's just hard for me to want to
be connected to the religion side of it because
then I feel like it's this weird in between of
just trying to explain. Like this is just energy.
This is just how, if you believe in God, this is
(15:17):
how God made you. This is how you're Made like
it's what you're made of. Yeah, just simplifying
it and breaking it down. Like, I don't think
anyone needs to be afraid of this stuff. And, you
know, fear. We know fear is such a low frequency.
Like, that's like the worst frequency to be
vibrating at. And so helping people switch from
fear to actual discernment, where you're really
(15:42):
using critical thinking skills and actually
looking at things. And, you know, if you read the
Bible and you believe the Bible, the Bible just
clearly says what to do. And the Bible doesn't
say anything about, like, specifically New Age or
energy or frequency. And actually, as I've
learned more, it strengthened my faith, and it's
(16:04):
made me look at the things I've grown up with and
read in the Bible and made me realize, wow,
laying on of hands, taking every thought captive,
like distance walking on water. Like, all of the
miracles, they make sense. It's like, whoa, we
live in a quantum universe, and that's how we
were created. So I think everybody, if you've
(16:24):
struggled with that, you really just try to have
an open mind and look at the science, look at
the. Look at what everything on your podcast,
like, everything points back to strengthening
your faith. If that's where you come from, if.
Meredith Oke (16:39):
That makes sense, that makes perfect sense. And,
Katelyn, you explain that really beautifully. So
I'm really glad you're doing this podcast, and I
hope you do a lot more because you have really
connected, I think, made a connection that is
going to be really profound and powerful for
people.
Katelyn Simmons (16:55):
I hope so. I hope so, because I just see, you
know, I don't believe that anyone was put on this
Earth to have to live a painful life. I think
that everyone is worthy and capable and, like,
it's your birthright to be healthy and blessed
and abundant. And for some reason, a lot of stuff
(17:17):
in religion says otherwise. And I just want to
shed light on that. Like, and this, all. This all
points to that. That, like, we're energy, we can
raise our vibration, we can raise our frequency.
It's just. It's incredible.
Meredith Oke (17:29):
It really is. And I love the word that you used
instead of fear. You didn't say faith, you didn't
say trust. You said discernment. And I think that
is a really good word choice and really profound
because nobody's saying, like, oh, just believe
everything we say. It's. Use your. Use your best
judgment at what makes sense. As you explore
(17:51):
these new paradigms, as you explore the available
research, as you connect to your own inner
wisdom, what feels true and what, what does the
evidence point to? And that's not just fully
rejecting something out of fear and not just
fully embracing something out of. Out of faith,
but moving toward it.
Katelyn Simmons (18:13):
I mean, then you'd be watching TV and say, oh,
yeah, that's true, that's true. Everything. Like,
that's terrible. I tell people that all the time.
Like, don't take what I say for truth. Look it up
yourself. I even got a message recently, someone
saying, like, can you tell me? Like, she was
really intense about one of the products I share.
I shared about Sheilajit. And it was like, well,
(18:36):
what's this? What's that? I'm like, I don't know
all the specifics. You can look at all the brands
and make a decision for yourself. You don't have
to use what I use. So we have to use discernment
in everything? Yes, everything we buy. When you
go to the grocery store, use your critical
thinking and pick what works for you.
Meredith Oke (18:54):
Yes, absolutely. And your discernment. When
listening to podcasts, I feel like sometimes
you'll have a favorite podcast host and they'll
be talking about a thing and you're like, oh, I
better take that or do it or order it. It's like,
maybe, maybe not. Again, your inner discernment
on it. Okay, so let's circle back to your
journey. So you had become very well educated in
(19:15):
the kind of baseline natural health modalities
that a lot of us know. Massage therapy, lymphatic
drainage, supplements. And it helped. But you
still, even though you felt intellectually like,
okay, these are all the things you felt inside.
Like, there's something, there's something more.
Katelyn Simmons (19:36):
Yeah. And my, my body was screaming at me too.
Like, it. There was clear signs, like,
something's missing. Because I was still
struggling, not healing from trauma I had been
through. I'd been through a lot of trauma care.
Like, I had chronic lower back pain from an
accident I had been in. I had anxiety,
(19:56):
depression, ptsd. I couldn't drive my car to my
office without having to plan to literally be
able to pull over and work through a panic
attack. Like, I was holding it together with
trying to help my clients and trying to help
myself. And just literally by the end of the day,
it was like there were days I would crawl up the
stairs to my apartment. Like, it was just so
(20:18):
intense. Like, I knew something was wrong, but I
was like, how could something be wrong when I
have a sauna? I had a full size sauna in my tiny
apartment in Southern California. My poor husband
was like, everything is well. Like, I had
everything you could possibly imagine that you
know, of in the root cause community. And I. So
(20:38):
it got to a point where I just was like,
something has to change. I. And I made a
decision. I remember the day I was looking at my
life, like, something has to change. I have to
heal. I have to get better. I have to find what
I'm missing. And so I prayed, and it was like
this divine download that I can't even. I don't
even know how. It just was like, Search Energy
(20:59):
healing. Christian energy healing on Instagram.
It was so clear. It was like. And I never had
thought of that. I was like, christian energy.
Meredith Oke (21:06):
Christian energy healing. I love how specific
these intuitive hits can be. Beautiful. Okay.
Katelyn Simmons (21:14):
It was crazy. And so I did. And it's still. It
still just makes me laugh because it's like, wow.
It. It. And it's been there, like, so many. After
I, you know, told my parents about it and worked
through the certifications and all these things,
my mom was like, you know, how many people have
told us about this, like, over the years, like,
we've been.
Meredith Oke (21:32):
So anyways, told them about Christian energy.
Katelyn Simmons (21:36):
Healing, like, specifically the emotion code and,
like, energy work, like, releasing trapped
emotions. And, you know, none of us, like, like,
what is that? Who cares? So it took, like, really
getting to a breaking point and just being
desperate and praying and making that decision.
I'm gonna change. My life has to shift. And then
(21:56):
I came across on Instagram from that search
Christian, who did the emotion code. And so I
clicked on it and she was fully booked. And so I
thought, okay, I'm just gonna look up what is the
emotion code. If she thinks it's okay, I better
look into it because at this point, I have to
have an open mind. And, you know, I. I had
already been doing, like, bioresonance in my
practice. I had some of the frequency stuff.
(22:18):
Like, my lymphatic machine was frequency back
when I was 13, that one of the things that really
helped me from Lyme so that I could be well
enough to go to high school was pulsed
electromagnetic field therapy. And we knew about
red light. Like, we knew a lot of the frequency
stuff, but not to this extent. So anyways, I went
to the emotion code website and signed up for the
(22:41):
certification that day. I'm going to learn how to
do this and teach myself. I love it. And that,
that was the start because I started learning,
like, Dr. Bradley Nelson puts it into really
amazing. Like, just. He breaks it down so good.
Like, your energy, you're made of 99.99999%
(23:03):
energy. And you have emotions, and your organs
create emotions, and if you don't let them go and
they get trapped, they're going to block energy,
and so you're going to be in pain, and they can
affect everything in your life. So then I learned
how to muscle test, which I had been wanting to
learn muscle testing for so long because there
were chiropractors I went to who did it, And I'd
(23:24):
always ask them. I was like, how do you learn how
to muscle test? I want to know, how do you do
this? And they'd all tell me, oh, you have to go
to chiropractor school. Like, okay. So that's why
I made a muscle testing course.
Meredith Oke (23:34):
I learned it out of the back of the Power vs
Force book, but.
Katelyn Simmons (23:38):
I wish I had that one, too. Like, you can learn
it on YouTube. Like, it's so. Yeah, it's. It's
how our bodies were made, right? We're like.
We're drawn to truth, and we're repelled by
false, like, lies. So anyways, that was the
start, and so I got really obsessed with it. I
started using it on all my clients, and that
(23:59):
brought up the fear in my clients. And so from
right then, as I was starting to explain it to
these people in person, I realized I felt like I
had this mission. I need to demystify this and
help people see. Like, this is not evil. This is
how your body was made. Emotions are real. And
(24:21):
just talking about your emotions isn't always
going to be what works for me. That didn't work.
I went to therapy. It felt like it just made
things worse. So this was such an incredible
tool. And then I started seeing it transform my
clients. Right there, we'd feel energy move like
wind, and my client would look at me like, did
(24:41):
you feel that? Or someone would turn bright red
when an emotion left. And it was like, whoa, this
is real. This is tangible. Like, this is. This is
the next thing. Like, we have to do energy.
That's the missing piece. So then I was, like,
searching on YouTube and looking for things about
the emotion code and came across the AO scan,
which, if you're on my page, you know, I talk
about that all the time, which is just a
(25:02):
frequency. Another frequency tool.
Meredith Oke (25:04):
Okay.
Katelyn Simmons (25:05):
And that. That was the next thing. So between the
emotion code and the AO scan, within a couple of
months, I closed down my brick and mortar because
I realized I need to go virtual. I need to get
this word out to the masses. I need to go home
and Heal and let my body heal. And it was just
like I started having 180 after 180, after 180.
(25:27):
And there's been no looking back. It's just been.
And then I found you. And then I found the
Quantum Biology collective. And I was like, whoa,
this is also cool. So I've been geeking out ever
since and just cannot get enough. It's just. It's
like, it makes it all come together.
Meredith Oke (25:46):
Beautiful. What an incredible journey. Okay, so
to walk us through a little bit, I mean, like, to
get super specific but high level. The emotion
code, how does that work?
Katelyn Simmons (25:57):
So the emotion code is basically just using your
own body's subconscious and nervous system via
muscle testing. So, like, you can press on your
body and you'll hold strong if you get an answer
from your nervous system. Yes. Or your body will
go weak if it's a no. And so Dr. Bradley Nelson,
(26:18):
you can look him up and look, read his book. It's
like, I don't know, $15 book. And you can learn
how to do it yourself, which I love. I'm like,
anything you can give people. Like, that's what
the whole quantum biology is. It's like so many
free things people can do and totally transform
their life so fast. It's like, yeah, everyone
needs it anyway. So you identify a trapped
(26:39):
emotion. So we could go like, do I have a trapped
emotion? Yes. And then you can ask your body
questions, where is that trapped emotion? Your
liver? And then simply release it with, I guess
you could say, similar to acupuncture, you swipe
over your governing meridian three times and the
emotional energy leaves. Did that kind of wrap up
(27:02):
what it is?
Meredith Oke (27:03):
Yes.
Katelyn Simmons (27:05):
And so then he goes deeper into the body code and
the belief code. And it's really cool, but it's
like a tool I think everyone should know how to
do.
Meredith Oke (27:15):
Yes. You know, there are so many, you know, as
you were just saying, like, keeping our circadian
rhythms regulated, like that is just. Should be
sort of a basic thing that everyone understands
coming out of the gate.
Katelyn Simmons (27:27):
Right.
Meredith Oke (27:28):
Like, you mostly, if you're at all health
focused, you mostly know, like, to eat healthy
food and, like, drink clean water. And there,
there are so many things that could just be
foundational pieces of information that we all
have, that we all do ourselves, that we don't
have to outsource to other people. We don't have
to hire if you have, if you do have us. I'm big
(27:50):
on working with practitioners for sure, but
there, there are so many things we can do just in
Our day to day lives that we're not, you know,
that we've been told are really complicated. And
I had a really good conversation with Eileen
McKusick about that where she does the bio. Like
her biofield tuning.
Katelyn Simmons (28:10):
She was one of the ones that, like, once I read
her books, I was like, chakras, there's nothing
wrong with chakras. It's part of our body.
Because that was another big one in the Christian
community. I was like, oh, I love her so much.
Like, I've read her books so many times because
she's so incredible.
Meredith Oke (28:26):
Oh, I love that. Yes. No, exactly. Well, I was
just going to say it's like we had this
conversation where we've sort of been led to
believe that trauma is like really embedded and
complex and you can't get rid of it. And
unresolved trauma absolutely has cascading
effects throughout our lives, but it doesn't have
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to be unresolved.
Katelyn Simmons (28:50):
Exactly, exactly. And I had been at. I was at
that point where I thought, because I had had
like a really scary thing happen to me and then
got rear ended on the freeway a couple weeks
later. And it felt like I was never gonna. It
took me years to heal from it because it. And it
felt like it was gonna live with me forever. But
then as soon as I started releasing trapped
(29:10):
emotions and I did biofield tuning eventually
too, once I found her, I was like, I bought her
tuning forks, I took her self course and like
started doing it all. But it was like, oh, the
memory is still there, but it's not creating this
physical reaction in my body anymore. I can drive
my car without shaking and having a panic attack.
(29:32):
I can think about what happened and not be
paranoid that someone's always chasing me or like
there can be things that used to be triggers and
it's not creating that physical response. And I
think that was a big piece to why, you know,
things weren't. Weren't healing. It was like
affecting. It affects your cells and it blocks
the meridians from flowing and like Eileen talks
(29:53):
about, it stays in your biofield, but it's like
you can just clear it out and have freedom and
it's transformative. Yeah.
Meredith Oke (30:05):
And I feel like still to this day I feel a little
bit bad saying that. I feel like, oh, no, like,
don't make it sound so simple, Meredith. That's
not fair. But like, why not?
Katelyn Simmons (30:17):
I mean, you know, it's a paradigm shift and
people, you know, you have to make a choice. I
had to make a choice to stop being in victim
mode. I think I feel so confident talking about
it, because I was there. I felt like, this is so
hard. How could anyone say anything to me
otherwise? How could you tell me to look at the
bright? Bright side? How could you? I remember
one of. I went. Used to go get colon
(30:38):
hydrotherapy, and I remember she'd tell me, she'd
be like, you know, sometimes we attract what we
are. Maybe you need. Like, she actually tried
saying that to me, and I was like, what? How
could you say? Like, I was mad afterwards, So I
get it. Like, but now, coming through it and
being on the other side, it's like, wow, we do
have to shift from victim to being triumphant.
(31:00):
Like, I am going to heal. I am going to change. I
am going to let this be in the past. Because
that's something I saw with my clients, too. I
built up my practice. I had all these people who
would come to see me for. Well, I went virtual,
but we do sessions, and a lot of people, not
everybody, but a good chunk of people, there was
a disconnect where they weren't really ready to
(31:21):
let it go. Like it was part of their identity.
And that's another thing I had to learn, too.
Lyme is not me. Lyme is just a thing. And I'm
gonna move forward from it. Like, so there's that
whole piece of. Yeah. Not being victim anymore.
Meredith Oke (31:38):
Absolutely. And it's no small thing.
Katelyn Simmons (31:41):
It is.
Meredith Oke (31:42):
It is in the wider culture, I think, much safer
to feel like a victim than to feel like a
successful person and show up that way.
Katelyn Simmons (31:52):
And it feels like our society's, like, made to
make that thrive. Like, it's. It's almost like
we're going against 99% of everybody to show up
as successful and healed and different.
Meredith Oke (32:09):
Yes. And there's. There is currency in being
traumatized and damaged. And I'm gonna go. I'm
just gonna go all the way with it. And I'm
speaking of someone who has also healed a lot of
things. I haven't got into it on. On this
podcast, and I probably won't, but it was a lot.
It was a lot of things. And I think that in order
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to fully let go of that victim mentality, in
order to fully let go of, like, oh, well, I have
this trauma, so I can't. It's. It's a way to have
low standards and low expectations for ourselves
and always give ourselves a way out.
Katelyn Simmons (32:52):
Chills, mic drop, like, whoa, that needs to be a
quote. You need to put that in a quote and put it
on your Instagram. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's
huge. That was really profound.
Meredith Oke (33:13):
Yeah. And I say that not just from. That's what I
see as a coach and other people. That's what I
saw in myself.
Katelyn Simmons (33:21):
Yeah.
Meredith Oke (33:21):
And then it's a continuous journey to move
through it. Every time we do something new, we
move through a version of it.
Katelyn Simmons (33:29):
Yes. That's what, that's what came to mind was I
had to come to another version of it when I got
pregnant. And when I read, you know, I went. I'm
not going to go into all the birth stuff. That's
a whole other topic. But I read Yolanda Norris
Clark's book and I almost feel like that's a book
that, that everyone should read. Whether you want
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to be a mom or not, or you've already had kids
and you're, you know, she just dives into that,
the whole victim mentality too, and she breaks it
down. And it helped me. I ended up having a free
birth, and that was my choice. And my husband and
I did that together. And I know everyone has
their opinions on that, but I felt so empowered.
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And it was like the last. Well, I'm sure there's
more to work through, but another big chunk of
that victim of the negativity of it just, it
helped me shed that. Like, giving birth in that
way was so empowering. It was like I gave birth
to a new version of myself. And afterward, I
remember I just felt like, wow, I'm stepping into
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my most authentic self now. And that's actually
something that really helped in every area of my
life. But it is a continual shedding. It's like
the onion, you gotta peel back all these layers
and it's kind of the never ending onion, but it.
Meredith Oke (34:50):
Yes. And some days you're like, where is the
goddamn end of this onion?
Katelyn Simmons (34:56):
Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.
Meredith Oke (35:02):
Sorry to swear. I just want everyone to know when
I swear, I have calibrated the words to resonate
at a very high frequency. It's not real swearing.
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So I, I was reading some of your experience and I
wanted to talk about this a little bit more. You
mentioned it briefly, but when you were doing in
person work with people, you were seeing them in
your clinic. You were, you know, putting your
hands on them to do them, to do massage therapy.
You talked about, like, the energetic effects of
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that and how you had to learn to shield yourself
and ground yourself and protect yourself in that
experience. So I know a lot of people who are
still. There are a lot of people who are still in
the. In person you ultimately chose to go
virtual. But while you were still in that space,
how did you come to understand how to stay
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protected while working with other people?
Katelyn Simmons (36:11):
Yeah, I remember one. As I was learning, I talked
to a few of my clients about it. I was like, man,
sometimes clients come in and I feel like. Like I
touch them, and if they're angry, I'm angry, and
they leave happy. And if I remember specifically,
like, there would be times when someone would
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come in with something really severe, like cancer
or something, where they were just really down in
the dumps, low and in pain. And I would almost
feel. I would feel the pain in the exact same
spot that they were saying. And so I remember
just feeling like, what is this? This is so
weird. I don't want this. This feels icky, and it
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just would feel heavy. Can you hear my baby
really loud in the back?
Meredith Oke (37:01):
I can hear her very quietly, and.
Katelyn Simmons (37:03):
It'S beautiful, so don't worry about it. It's so
weird to be away from her. Anyway, so I was
talking to some clients about it, and they were
like, well, just envision a white bubble around
you. I think, okay, that's cool. And I started
trying to do that, and I think it helped a
little, but I didn't totally understand, so that
was kind of the start. And then I started
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learning more about grounding, and I started just
envisioning myself before I would go in to work
with a client. I'd envisioned myself having my
energy grounded deep into the earth. And that was
something that really helped me a lot. But it was
never really enough until that short period when
I learned about the emotion code and the AO scan.
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And I was really seeing how, like, with muscle
testing, you can swipe, see if you can see your
governing meridian three times, the sweat, you
know, and clear energy off of you. And so now I
still do that to this day. If I walk past someone
and I feel something, I'm just like, get off of
me. And that really started helping. And then the
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AO scan, there's frequencies you can run for
energetic clear and energetic shield. And those
made such a difference. It was, you know, those
last few months or couple months in my practice,
I started doing that every day, and it was just a
game changer. So.
Meredith Oke (38:25):
So tell me a little more about the AO scan. I
don't know what that is.
Katelyn Simmons (38:28):
Oh, okay. So the AO scan is a subscription that
you can have on your phone. You can log into it
from basically any device like, that connects to
the Internet, and it will transform your computer
or your phone into A frequency generator. So
you're familiar with bioresonance, Right. Where
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you can get a scan. Like, I used to have a really
expensive one. You put your hand on it and it
would scan your whole body. And I'd have to be
with clients for like an hour and a half and to
see everything that's out of balance in your body
energetically. So it's not lab work. It's not.
It's like taking a picture in time, like a
snapshot in time to see where your body's
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resonating at. So this goes from, you know, all
of your bones to your nerves, your mitochondria,
which I started geeking out about that once I was
in the course, the quantum course, because it was
like, whoa. Like, I can optimize my mitochondria
every day. So this is a little different from a
lot of bioresonance on the market, because you
can then optimize everything it scanned for that
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was out of balance. So it's like, I don't pay
attention a whole lot to the reports. I just love
to put my body back into homeostasis every day.
And then on top of that, there's custom sound
therapy. So, like voice analysis. You can record
your voice and create sound therapy tailored to
exactly what emotions you need to release and
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bring balance to which that was a huge piece.
That was like emotion code with. That was. I
mean, I felt like that's why I was clearing so
much so fast, because it was like, whoa, I'm. I'm
getting to the root of the emotions. And it's so
cool because it shows the physical connections
and the energetic connections to those emotions
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that it found out of balance within your voice.
You know how people are so telling. Like you can
hear them talk and they're happy, or you can hear
them talk and you get depressed. You're like,
whoa. Like, I feel that this technology actually
picks up. It scans over 10,000 frequencies within
your voice to like, spit out these frequencies
for you every single day or however much you want
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to do. So then there's the whole. You know,
there's so much. That's why I talk about it so
much on my page. And I have like hour long
YouTube videos on it. And, like, it's so in
depth. It's. It used to be a $38,000 practitioner
system. Like doctors and clinics have it.
Meredith Oke (40:54):
Yeah.
Katelyn Simmons (40:54):
But then I believe it was in 2021, Lauren
Swenson, who developed all of this, he had the
vision, and they had the vision to bring that
sound therapy part to everybody. Because, you
know, everyone was struggling in 2020.
Meredith Oke (41:07):
Yeah.
Katelyn Simmons (41:08):
And then they made it so now anyone can have
access to it. So there's so much more cool
subconscious reprogramming. There's a lot, but
that's what the EOS scan is.
Meredith Oke (41:19):
That's really fun.
Katelyn Simmons (41:21):
It is fun.
Meredith Oke (41:22):
So that, yes, helped with your ability to stay
within your own energy and not take. Take on
whatever your clients were bringing in that day.
Katelyn Simmons (41:32):
And I think shedding those layers of emotions
too, like just working on yourself, releasing
trapped emotions gives you the space where you're
actually, like, resilient. You're not, because,
you know, everything acts like a magnet. So if
you have, I don't know, 20 on the low side, 20
trapped emotions of fear, those are always going
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to be attracting more emotions of fear or things
that vibrate at that same level. So if you have
all these trapped emotions of unworthiness,
sadness, depression, anxiety, like I had all of
these just bombarding me. And I remember working
through, I felt like I was like releasing
thousands of trapped emotions. It attracts more
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of that into your life because you're. That's
where you're vibrating at. So as you raise your
frequency and you heal and just, you know, like,
we see people release parasites, right, when they
just. They just start doing the circadian stuff.
Like, just raising your frequency helps you shed
the negativity and the sickness and the disease
and the bad stuff, and you start to attract
different. And you. The stuff doesn't stick to
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you.
Meredith Oke (42:38):
It's so cool. It's also amazing. And it's, you
know, back to what we were saying earlier, right?
Like, if we had just some baseline understanding
of this, we could be clearing that stuff out as
we go. You know, it's like being like, oh, you
know, instead of like vacuuming once a year, it's
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like, oh, I'm supposed to vacuum once a week.
Okay. Right. Like, you know, we, we allow these
things to build up because we can't see them. And
we, we've been left ignorant of. Of how to just
do maintenance that way. But it's. When I got
pregnant, it's not that complicated.
Katelyn Simmons (43:16):
It's really not. But when I got pregnant, I was
like, I'm gonna start releasing all the inherited
trapped emotions this way. Because when you
release the inherited stuff, it releases in your
kids too, and your whole generational line and
started releasing them from my baby. I'm like,
once a week I just check, and there's really
nothing there. But it's just. It feels so cool to
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be able to Set up a little human from the
beginning without coming in with all this baggage.
Meredith Oke (43:46):
That's really beautiful. That's so beautiful. I
love that. So you brought up mitochondria. Talk
to me about, you know, like, let's sort of bring
it together with just daily habits and the
lights, you know, the light and dark cycles and
all of the circadian stuff. How have. How has it
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all sort of come together for you? Because you
did. You did the deep dive. You studied, you got
certified, so you went all the way.
Katelyn Simmons (44:18):
Yeah. So that was. That's. I think, what really
helped get my hormones. It just, like, tied it
all together. It was like, okay, these are the
things that are so foundational. It's like. It
brings you to the terrain theory. Like, if the
terrain is good and our hormones are, you know,
producing at the right times of the day, it just
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all makes it, like. It's just cohesive. Your body
can now work. So. Learning about sun. The sun was
my favorite because, you know, Heather's program
on the sun. It was so. Because I've always loved
the sun. I've wanted to go bake in the sun for
hours on end, and I've, like, wanted to be out in
the morning. Like, it's just something I think
we're all born with intuitively. But then society
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comes in and just kind of crushes it. Like,
you're. You get almost tuned into everything else
feeling good. Like, it feels good to sleep in and
feels good to look at your phone until it
doesn't. Until it, like, actually is wreaking
havoc on your health. So learning. I think the
first day I listened to that about sunrise, I
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started going outside every morning, and it made
such a difference. It was like, whoa, I can feel
a difference. And I just craved to be outside
even more. And that was probably the biggest game
changer for me, was because I Learning about how
just that sunrise light, whether it's cloudy or
not or whatever the weather is, like, it sets you
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up for the rest of the day where you're not
gonna. You know, you precondition your skin. You
build that solar callus. You set up cord, like,
cortisol. Like, I love talking about cortisol
because it's. We have these free tools you can
use to balance things. So I just started, like,
being out. I remember cold mornings. I'd bundle
up and sit outside with my coffee for, like,
three hours. Like, I'm gonna heal. I'm gonna heal
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with sunlight even more. And that's just carried
through, like, the first couple days after my
baby was born, I would bring her outside, like,
every day. Like, we're getting sunlight, we're
getting. I still bring her out at sunrise. We go
out, like, every couple hours to get all the
white codes. And the only thing that's been hard
with a baby is wearing my blue light blockers.
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That's been tough because she just wants them.
Meredith Oke (46:35):
She just pulls them off your face. Yeah, that's
true.
Katelyn Simmons (46:38):
Yeah. I still wear them at night, but when she's
asleep. Yeah, yeah. It's just. It's. It's. It's
life. And once you build the habit, it's a part
of your life. Like, it just. It's a part of your
life now. Like, you can't go any other way. And
grounding, like, every morning we go ground. It's
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just turned into such a nice routine. And I think
that's actually really helpful for moms with
young kids is if you have this routine where you
get the sun, you ground, you go outside multiple
times, no matter what the weather is, or you
crack a window. Like, it really. I mean, maybe
it's just my baby's temperament, but she is so
happy all the time. And I can tell if we need
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more sun or need to get outside or need to ground
if she starts to not be a little happy. And then
it's like, instant. We get in the grass, we get
in the sun, we go to the beach. Instantly, she's
just perfect again.
Meredith Oke (47:35):
Wow, that's really interesting, because I know,
you know, for a lot of parents, it's like, oh,
I'll turn the TV on, or I'll give them a show.
Oh, they're a bit grumpy. Like, I'll just give
them a show to watch or.
Katelyn Simmons (47:46):
I think that makes sense.
Meredith Oke (47:47):
I definitely did that back in the day. But, yeah.
Oh, going outside a couple shows.
Katelyn Simmons (47:54):
But the windows always open and the doors open in
short amounts of time. But I can see. I can see
that change her, too. So it's. I've almost, you
know, I go back and forth, like, should we watch
a little bit of something so I can drink my
coffee or. No, it's always better when we just go
outside. Yeah, but no judgment. It's there. It's
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just. You can do these little things, like open
the window if it's on, or, you know, I want to
get a projector at some point, because that'll be
a little better, but.
Meredith Oke (48:23):
Oh, that's a fun idea. Yes. And truly, no
judgment. My children all have screens, and, you
know, we live. We don't homeschool. We live in
the. In the prescribed prescription world of, you
know, normal society. And, you know, that's just
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how we've chosen to do it.
Katelyn Simmons (48:46):
And, yeah, it just shows how powerful it still
is, though. Like, you don't have to live some
hippie woo woo life for this to change your life.
And you don't have to, like, change your whole
identity and be a totally different. Like, that's
just who I am. I love being outside and I want to
homeschool. That's just me because I was
homeschooled when I was little. But no, not
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everyone has to do that. It's so, like, just work
it into your schedule. Like, I loved when Carrie
would talk about just cracking the windows on her
way to school drop off or opening the sunroof
and, you know, popping on your blue light
blockers or wearing wired headsets instead of
Bluetooth and just all the simple little things
you can shift.
Meredith Oke (49:27):
Yes. And when, you know, I think that's an
important message I always like to bring up is
every little thing matters. You know, going
outside in the morning for even five minutes,
even two minutes before other light hits your
eyes or, you know, not turning on those big
overhead lights after sunset. Like, just little
things. And one thing I hear a lot is people are
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like, oh, I listen to your podcast, but I'm just
so overwhelmed at the thought of changing every
light bulb in my house. I don't think. I don't
think I can do this circadian thing. And I'm
like, oh, my gosh, if I left you with that
impression, the. My bad. Just don't turn them on.
It's very simple. You don't have to change
everything. Just have some lamps with
incandescent bulbs and don't turn on the big
lights. You don't have to because, you know,
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we're all. We all have ceilings filled with those
LEDs that.
Katelyn Simmons (50:16):
And a lot of us have husbands who think it's
really annoying for it to be dark. It's a fight
over here. So, you know, it's. It is what it. Not
all of our bulbs are changed. I've slowly changed
them. And he's like, why are these so dim? Did I
get any brighter? So it's. Just do what you can
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and it's gonna help no matter what. Like, it's
not perfection. And that's like, it goes for
everything with health. It's not perfection. And
everything in your life, you cannot show up
perfect for anything. And if you try, you're just
gonna be depressed.
Meredith Oke (50:55):
Right. It's another one of those traps that we
set for ourselves. Right. We're like, I am going
to play an unwinnable game, and I'm not allowed
to feel successful or happy until this unwinnable
game is won. But it's unwinnable.
Katelyn Simmons (51:13):
And that's like. I don't know if you want to talk
about abundance at all, but, like, that's one of
the huge blocks to abundance. Like, we get so
caught up in what's next and what. What can I do
to, you know, if you're on social media, like, do
more posts and, like, all this perfection instead
of just enjoying where you're at now, doing what
you can now, knowing that it's good enough and
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just, you know, everyone struggles with that. I
still struggle with that, but it's. It's so much
more enjoyable to go through life. And I think it
frees up your healing when you don't try to
control. Because it's like human nature is to
control everything and grip onto everything
really tightly. But as soon as you surrender,
it's like, the river can flow, everything can
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work. And then, you know, I feel like the bad
stuff doesn't affect you as much.
Meredith Oke (52:03):
Yes. And I find too, when you get in that flow,
then ideas come and we feel called to do things
that will require us to push ourselves a little
bit.
Katelyn Simmons (52:15):
Yes.
Meredith Oke (52:16):
But it's coming from this place of abundance, not
a place of, like, I have to do this.
Katelyn Simmons (52:21):
Yes. And it's fulfilling and it's like your
passion. And it's like, it's so different. It's
so different. Like, it's. It is hard work to do
any of, you know, to change your life in any way.
It's hard work, but it's harder to stay where
you're at. In my opinion. It would have been a
lot harder if I would have just stayed where I
was at. I'd be. Yeah, it was hard work to get
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where I am now, but so worth it. And not as hard.
Yeah, yeah.
Meredith Oke (52:48):
Not as painful.
Katelyn Simmons (52:51):
And so rewarding.
Meredith Oke (52:55):
Yeah, it's amazing. Life is really cool. And I
love, you know. Yeah, I love this chat, like, and
coming into the mitochondria, you know, and the
idea of, like, clearing our emotions, clearing
toxic light. Right. Like these. These are all the
frequencies and these, these little.
Katelyn Simmons (53:18):
These, these.
Meredith Oke (53:19):
I don't even know. I saw Martin Picard, who does
a lot of really interesting mitochondrial
research and bioenergetics, and he was. He did a
post recently. He's like, we gotta stop with the
powerhouse of the cell. It's been 60 years. It's
not accurate. And I thought, okay, so what are
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we? What's the new catchphrase? And so now I call
on everyone if we're. If we're gonna upgrade from
powerhouse of the cell, like what should we call
it? Because it encompasses everything. Right. As
you were saying. Right. Like strengthening our
mitochondria from physical practices like
grounding and reducing toxic light.
Katelyn Simmons (54:02):
Oh.
Meredith Oke (54:02):
Gives us energy for emotional healing which may
come. Which may come next. And that. That idea of
the nonlinear healing and people. You know, I've
had people reach out to me lately who said they
started with the circadian stuff and like their
sleep is worse and they're like, yeah. And it
turned out I had all this emotional work to do.
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So it's just so interesting how our bodies.
Katelyn Simmons (54:28):
Yeah, the whole layer thing. A layer cake. Yeah.
It's just I feel like too. People need to
remember as you heal, this is like a lifelong
journey. It's not a three week cleanse. It's not
a three month cleanse. This is lifelong. And we
weren't. It's not just our lifetime. We have to
look at everything that affected ourselves and
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our mitochondria and our muscles and everything.
Our fascia, like the fascia is so complex. It's
like generational. It's multi. Generational
things that have affected us. And so we're
peeling back these layers. And sometimes when
your body gets that energy to actually be able to
address what's been underlying or hiding deep in
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your tissues or in your organs, it's gonna be a
little painful and be a little frustrating
because now your body's like, oh, hey, I can
target this. I can clear this out. I can. You can
feel this emotion now, and it's just. It's just a
part of it.
Meredith Oke (55:29):
Yeah. And I love what you just said. You can feel
this emotion now. Because I think so much of our
energy goes towards making sure we don't have to
feel certain things. And I've been really digging
in lately. I've been putting myself out there and
pushing myself to do things. And I'm like, oh,
but it's gonna make me feel. And I'm like, yep.
And it did. And you know what? It passes. It just
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flows through. I think if I'm not trying to block
it or six seconds.
Katelyn Simmons (55:58):
Yeah. For an emotion to pass. Yeah. But it can.
You know, but then it can trigger. You know, the
cool thing about trapped emotions is they talk
about how they're really energetically the size
of your fist, but when they get triggered, they
can blow up to the size of a balloon or a beach
ball energetically. And then that can kind of
create this trigger effect through your whole
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body, triggering the rest of them. And so it can
feel so overwhelming when you first start, but it
does get easier and easier and easier the more
you let yourself feel, because then you can
actually feel in the moment when something's
happening too. Because that's actually how
emotions get trapped. We stuff it down and we
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don't feel it, and we, like, we want to avoid it.
And that creates this cycle of just stuffing it
down, stuffing and stuffing, and, you know.
Meredith Oke (56:48):
Yeah.
Katelyn Simmons (56:49):
Creates this whole problem.
Meredith Oke (56:52):
And then the problems begin or continue or get
worse or whatever. Oh, my goodness, Caitlin, it's
been so delightful to talk to you. I'm so glad we
got to meet and have this conversation before I.
You share sort of how people can find you. Is
there anything that else that you'd like to say
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before we wrap up?
Katelyn Simmons (57:16):
I don't know. I just. It's just all so good. I
feel like we could talk for hours. Like, there's
just so many different rabbit holes you can go
down and just. It's all so good. And quantum
biology is just. It's life changing. And I didn't
think that the emotional side of it really fit in
to the quantum biology. You know, back when it
was the two part course and then the second part
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came in and Carrie was talking about Eileen, I
was like, oh, they know about Eileen McKusick. I
was so excited. Like, it was like, this does fit
in. It's all together. So I was like, am I
talking about the same stuff? Does this fit in
together? And then that kind of led me to looking
for trapped emotions specifically affecting the
mitochondria in my clients. And, like, looking at
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it from this whole new lens of, like, how are
emotions affecting the circadian side of it, the
quantum side of it? And it just kind of turned
into this whole new, like, it is connected and
it's all important and we need to focus on all of
it.
Meredith Oke (58:17):
Yeah. Oh, I love that. Yeah, for sure. No, it is
because it's. I mean, we. I think light's a great
way in because it's so misunderstood and ignored.
And it's just such an easy fix once you
understand the basics of it. But at the end of
the day, light is. Is frequency. Emotions are
frequency. It's all frequency. And it's trapped
in the. In the structured water in our bodies,
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and it's doing all the things. And there's sound
and light and the motion code and all of it works
with the energy of our body as you so beautifully
laid out.
Katelyn Simmons (58:51):
Yeah, yeah. And so many ways to address all of
that, too. Like, there's, you know, emotion
code's not the only way. There's breath, there's
sound bowls, there's somatic work. There's, like,
so many different avenues people can go down to
just start healing. And all of it's raising our
vibration and raising our frequency. So it's all
connected.
Meredith Oke (59:12):
Yeah, I love it. And so where can people find
you, Katelyn?
Katelyn Simmons (59:17):
The best place is probably my Instagram.
Aitlinsimmonsofficial, and that's where I'm most
active, like, in my DMs. I am on my Facebook, but
everything from Instagram just gets uploaded to
Facebook, so I'm not super active over there. My
YouTube's really not consistent yet, but I'm
planning to do more YouTube, so probably
(59:39):
Instagram.
Meredith Oke (59:41):
Okay, great. So that's at Caitlin Simmons,
official on Instagram. And Kaitlyn is spelled K,
A, T, E, L, Y, N Simmons. S, I, M. Thank you so
much. This was delightful, and we'll have to do
it again. Thank you, Meredith, and
congratulations on one full year of being a mama.
Katelyn Simmons (01:00:03):
Thank you. It's been the best.
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