August 7, 2025 • 51 mins
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"The subconscious is where we create 95 to 97% of our lives," says Krishna Avalon, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective podcast to reveal how reprogramming our subconscious beliefs can lead to profound and rapid transformation. As an experienced acupuncturist turned subconscious reprogramming expert, Krishna explains why traditional talk therapy often falls short and how techniques like Psych-K can create lasting change in a matter of sessions.
In this eye-opening discussion, Krishna delves into the power of the subconscious mind and its impact on every aspect of our lives. She shares insights on how our deeply held beliefs shape our reality, from our relationships to our financial success. Krishna also explores the connection between our thoughts and our biology, drawing on the groundbreaking work of Dr. Bruce Lipton.
Tune in to today's episode to discover why healing doesn't have to be a long, arduous process and how simple, elegant solutions can lead to profound shifts in our lives. Learn about the importance of connecting with nature, the dangers of constant technological stimulation, and how to tap into your own intuition for true healing and growth.
5 Key Takeaways
1. Explore subconscious reprogramming techniques like Psych-K to quickly shift limiting beliefs and behaviors, rather than relying solely on traditional talk therapy.
2. Practice slowing down and being present with uncomfortable parts of yourself, using frameworks like Internal Family Systems to witness and appreciate these aspects without judgment.
3. Reduce exposure to potentially harmful programming from news and media. Be mindful of how commercials and other content may negatively impact your subconscious.
4. Prioritize daily time in nature without devices as a way to reconnect with yourself, reduce stress, and gain perspective. Even simple practices like morning walks can have profound effects.
5. Trust your body's innate wisdom rather than relying excessively on wearable devices and data. Practice tuning into how you feel and what you need instead of looking to external sources.
Memorable Quotes
"When you are guided by something higher than you and you listen to that, you have a lot of people that want to show up and be in your gifts."
"I understood that the subconscious is where we create 95 to 97% of our lives, and it's where our programs and behaviors and beliefs and habits are stored."
"Nature is where things make sense. I'm guided by it. It's my God. Nature is God for me. So it's really the most important thing."
Connect with Krishna
Website: https://www.krishnaavalon.com/
Resources: https://www.krishnaavalon.com/resources
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/krishnaavalon/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/krishnaavalon/
Resources Mentioned
The Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton - https://amzn.to/3H08WUP
PSYCH-K - https://psych-k.com/
Internal Family Systems (IFS) - https://ifs-institute.com/
Emotion Code -
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Transcript
Episode Transcript
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Meredith Oke (06:00):
Hi, Krishna Avalon. Welcome to the QVC podcast.
Krishna Avalon (06:02):
Good morning, Meredith.
Meredith Oke (06:07):
I'm really excited for this conversation, but
before we dive into some of the super interesting
things that you do in your work, I'd like to just
do a little bit about your story, because you
were a very experienced, very successful
acupuncturist for many years, and then you made
(06:27):
the decision to sort of expand on that and add to
it. Tell us a little bit about that journey.
Krishna Avalon (06:33):
Yeah, I have been really, really blessed to be
able to always have lots of people to treat. And
I think it's because I've always loved what I've
done. And my path to serve and guide others is
literally like the. The only things besides being
a mom that I've trusted 1000% until recently. And
(06:57):
so I think that when you are guided by something
higher than you and you listen to that, like the,
you know, you have a lot of people that want to
show up and be in your gifts. And for me,
acupuncture was the very first thing. For me,
(07:18):
that was an absolute yes that I trusted all the
way. And I had been doing it for about 17 years
before the pandemic came along. And I'm still
seeing miracles with that work happen every day
in my work. But I was in a place where I just
really needed to grow. And, you know, when you
can do something really well with a blindfold on,
(07:40):
that's beautiful. But for me, like, I just, I. I
wanted to know how I could. How I could serve
more or express more or serve better. And so I
started hearing about the subconscious before
pandemic hit and became obsessed because I
understood that the subconscious is where we
(08:01):
create 95 to 97% of our lives, and it's where our
programs and behaviors and beliefs and habits are
stored. And so if a person like myself can't make
changes in their life or they're hitting a lot of
resistance, or they're repeating stories and
cycles over and over, like, what is that about?
(08:23):
And so when I started to understand that it's
about the contracted, limited and self sabotaging
beliefs and habits, I mean, I became obsessed.
And so, like so many people, when the pandemic
hit, I needed to pivot. And so I had heard about
Psych K on a podcast, which is the process that
I'm trained in. It's kind of a silly name. I
(08:45):
don't love it, but I do love the process because
it's very simple and more conscious on, like,
maybe hypnotherapy or other processes that work
with the subconscious. And so I was like, hmm, I
wonder if that woman, the one woman in Portland
who offered psych K and was teaching. I was like,
oh, I wonder if she's teaching those classes. And
(09:06):
sure enough, she was. And she taught here in this
house. I ended up buying her house, which is a
magical story in itself. But she taught here for
12 years and lived here for 25. And I did three
of the four trainings here in her house. And even
though I knew 1000% this is what I wanted to
train in and work with myself, I needed to offer
(09:29):
it to some patients to see what would happen for
them. And without asking for testimonials or
feedback. Like, the response that I was getting
was amazing and profound. And I was like, okay, I
can trust this all the way now as, like, how I
can serve best in the world. And so that's part
(09:50):
of this story.
Meredith Oke (09:53):
Yeah, no, I love that. And I think, you know,
it's. I see this all the time and experience
myself. It's like, you gain mastery and in one
area, and that's really great. And then it's
like, oh, okay, but what else. What else can I
do? So that's just that growth impulse, I think,
that so many of us on the. So many of us have. So
(10:18):
I just want to talk a little bit more about that.
So, so acupuncture is working, you know, and
we're talking like, very high level here, but
working with the energy system, systems of the
body and then psych K, which is psychological
kinesiology, that is working with the
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subconscious. So how. How do you explain the
subconscious to my.
Krishna Avalon (10:48):
To the people I'm working with? I will definitely
have people still come to me for acupuncture.
Maybe I've worked with them for a lot of years.
Maybe they're new in my life. Everyone has stress
and trauma, right? So I'm never really trying to
talk somebody into doing this work. But I have
these lenses and perceptions now where I can
(11:09):
explain, like, oh, with acupuncture, yeah, let's
support your nervous system. Let's help you
sleep. Let's regulate your hormones. Let's take
care of some of this pain. If you're finding that
you keep getting stuck on the same thing, it's
very hard for you to make changes. You feel
triggered over and over again. The best way I can
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support you is probably this process that's very
simple. And you can peacefully unattach and go in
a new direction in your brain and have a new
experience. This is called neuroplasticity and it
can be very simple and very easy, which is why,
why I love the process of psych k so much. And
when people hear me say that, that's usually like
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a light bulb goes off or it might be like a
little while later, they're reaching out. You
know, whether it's weeks or a year or a month,
and they're like, I think I need to try this or.
And then oftentimes people like this are going to
hear me on a podcast and they'll just sign up for
10 sessions. They don't even really know what I
do, but something resonates or intuitively, you
(12:18):
know, lights up and they're like, oh, yeah,
that's. That's exactly what I've been wanting to
hear, or I needed to hear or make sense to my
system in some way so I could talk about this
stuff all day long. It's just kind of like, who's
my audience? Who am I talking to? I'm not usually
(12:38):
just going off for no reason or trying to talk
people into being here. Um, but it's easy for me.
Meredith Oke (12:47):
Well, at the current moment, your audience is
people who would really love to hear about the
subconscious. All the things.
Krishna Avalon (12:54):
That's awesome. I just feel like you don't have
to spend 20 years in talk therapy and, you know,
maybe intellectually understand why things are.
And that's wonderful and beautiful. But if you've
been in talk therapy for, for many years and
you're still pissed off, avoidant feeling
triggered taking pharmaceuticals, can't really
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even think about it or process because it's too
painful. That's where this work is so powerful.
Because in a session, two sessions, 10 sessions,
like you really going to change your entire life.
Your perceptions are different, People respond to
you differently. The world is a different place
because you have these new perceptions that
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weren't available before and you don't really get
there. And talk therapy, usually you do get to
have the support of verbal processing, but you're
only working with your conscious mind. And so a
lot of people in regular talk therapy are
perpetuating the same stories over and over
again. And I say that not with disrespect. I
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mean, talk therapy saves lives. I'm actually in a
master's program to get my therapy degree, not
because I want to go through more training and
another thing and more student loans. It's
because I believe in this work that I get to do
with the subconscious. And with a model called
Internal family Systems, I know that this is the
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healing the world is asking for. I know there are
people that are not going to want to use ChatGPT
as their therapist and want human connection and
to be witnessed and held. And I'm just getting
that degree to make this work more available to
people because I just, I trust it entirely.
Meredith Oke (14:38):
Yeah, I was just having that discussion this very
morning on Twitter. Somebody had posted, it was a
very like cerebral startup young man. And he was
like, you can just do. Everyone I talk to says
you can just get so much better feedback on AI
(15:00):
than you can from a person. For coaches, for
consultants, for all of it. I just don't know why
you'd go to one anymore. And I was like, well
he's like, I mean, they all say the human touch,
but what does that really mean? I'm like, well,
human touch is a little bit glib, but in my
experience, a lot of times it's not a lack of
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information that is holding people back. Like a
lot of times people may know exactly what they
quote unquote should be doing, or they may know
the path they want to walk down. They're just,
for whatever reason, can't get there. And I don't
know, I don't know if AI can help you with that,
but that sounds to me like a subconscious, a
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subconscious anchor holding you in place, even if
you're intellectual faculties or conscious mind
is aware. Like, oh, I know I should be, you know,
if I want to start my career as a health coach, I
know I need to reach out to potential clients,
but I'm not doing it. Or I know I should be going
(16:05):
for a walk when I wake up in the morning, but I'm
not doing it. And it's oftentimes we know what to
do, but there's a block. And is that sort of what
you're talking about here?
Krishna Avalon (16:17):
Yeah, 100%. Because a lot of us consciously do
know. And we might tell ourselves, oh, I deserve
a healthy relationship, or oh, I deserve to make
money, or oh, I deserve to love my career. But
the subconscious beliefs for most people are
pretty contracted. Like you might believe, oh, I
could have like this much love or this much money
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or this much safety and stability. But most of us
need like expanding on what we believe that we're
worthy and deserving of. And so, so if you are
repeating those themes in health, money, career,
love, relationships, the amount of joy and
presence in your life, it's usually because you
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don't believe or know in your subconscious that
you deserve the best that love and life have to
offer. You deserve your needs to be met, you
Deserve to have peace or to have a ton of safety
and stability. I mean, these are things I've had
to experience expand within my own system. And
then I get to guide others through from this
(17:18):
embodied place because I've gone through it. But
like those are some of the foundational ones.
It's what we believe we're worthy and deserving
of in any area of our life.
Meredith Oke (17:29):
Right. And so if we have a subconscious belief,
even if we're, we have a con, we've made a
conscious decision, oh, I'd like to change that
belief. If it's really locked in to the
subconscious, it's going to take more work. Like
what's, so what's it going to. What. It's going
to take more what, what happens?
Krishna Avalon (17:50):
I know where you're going with this. You can keep
trying to like pep talk yourself or mantra
yourself or journal yourself. And the
subconscious does like repetition. So if you are
trying to make change, you can start small, like
one little habit a day and just keep changing
that one habit and eventually you are going to
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create that new neural pathway in your mind. And
that's beautiful. You can listen to self
hypnosis, you can use visuals and make like an
action board where you have just images of how
you want your life to feel and look like. Because
the subconscious does prefer images and sound
over like words and surroundings. Cerebral
processing, there are lots of things you can do
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on your own. But the work that I get to do is
like deep excavating and then you use these other
things to reinforce these new neural pathways
that you've just created. And that just makes it
so much faster. So if you, like me, want things
simple, direct, let's do it. Now. This is, this
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is the stuff. I mean and for me, this is the
stuff that I had been waiting for.
Meredith Oke (19:02):
Yeah, it's really interesting because I was
listening to you describe it and I think
sometimes and for a lot of us, and I know like my
audience is into all, you know, all the things,
they are very far down the path of healing in
many different ways. But a lot of the times these
things kind of get all like smushed together in
(19:26):
our minds. And so I, what I, I find very
clarifying about the way you explain it. I'm
like, okay, so the acupuncture is the energy
system and then something like emotion code or
EFT is like moving sort of moving blockages or
moving things that are stuck. This is kind of my
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experience of things. And then talk therapy is
like a processing of experiences. But psych k
this kind of psychological kinesiology, this is a
reprogramming. So this is sort of going
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underneath. Would you say all of those things?
Krishna Avalon (20:09):
Yeah. I love that you understand and you even
know what psych K stands for because that's,
yeah, very helpful. A lot of people have never
heard of it. And the only reason they have heard
of it maybe is Bruce Lipton, who wrote the
Biology of Beliefs and used psych K to finish
that book. And he finds psyche the most helpful
thing to work with this subconscious. And he's
(20:31):
definitely one of my teachers. But yes, psych K
is going to help you. Okay, so there are, there
are balances that we do in psych K. And the
balances are meant to get your brain in a whole
brain state is what we call it. Get the left and
the right hemispheres of your brain to
communicate clearly so that you can peacefully
unattach from a stressful or triggering event, go
(20:54):
in a new direction, have a new experience,
perhaps have a perception that just was not
available before because your brain was stuck in
this one behavior or belief. Right. The other
balance we use the a lot is called a goal
statement balance. And that's when we would get
to talk about what you want. And this is where
like your best practitioner comes into play
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because I get to reflectively listen and help you
come up with your very best, most favorite words
so that you literally create the new program in
your subconscious. And that's where I feel psyche
is very special because I haven't learned other
process. I mean, you can with tapping an eft, you
end up, you know, you speak to like where you're
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stuck, where you're limited and then you start
kind of like reinforcing with what you want. You
can. And I love tapping. I didn't used to like
way back when because I'm an acupuncturist. And I
was like, I don't know, this is stupid to me. But
then I had a teacher who resonated kind of
explain it and I was like, okay, I love it. And I
not, you know, I'll do it in the bathtub or
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something. But psych K, because of the balance
that we do, it's just, it is, it's quicker, it's
deeper. And then you can use EFT or other things
to reinforce the new neural pathway and it's just
going to be so much quicker. And I love emotion
code as well. I love it. But that's more for
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clearing emotions, yours or other people's past,
present or future. And I love it. I'M like an
emotional being very much. But for me it's like K
was like, oh, I can unattach peacefully from
these things that have been really like I've been
stuck in. But I also can consider what I want,
which is how I love to work with people. Like, we
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all know what we don't want, but like, what do
you want? And we get to talk about that. So
sometimes people are like, well, how do you know
if you're stuck in your subconscious or if you
need subconscious work? First of all, just look
at your life and your relationships. Where are
you stuck feeling like you wish you could grow or
you're frustrated? We do that balance help you
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peacefully, unattach from a couple things. And I
see that balance as like clearing the slate and
making space. Because that stuff takes up a lot
of psychological psychic space. And then we get
to talk about what you want and create these new
programs so that it's just so much easier. Like
you don't have all the self doubt or the
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rigmarole or the stuff in your brain that's
keeping you from doing the things that you want
to do. And sometimes psych play is so subtle but
very powerful where all of a sudden you're just
doing the thing that you haven't been able to do
before and you're like, oh my God, I'm doing it.
Meredith Oke (23:40):
Right. It just feels, it just kind of flows and
feels natural and it's like, oh, wait a minute,
like a month ago or yesterday even I went to go
do this and it was like, you know, you either
have to force yourself or just avoid it
altogether or it just doesn't flow and feels like
I can, I mean, I probably won't, but I could
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right now, like tell you the two key areas that
are like that for me, that ongoing for my whole
life, right. And other areas have been able to
open up and like, oh, like showing up in
relationships. Oh, it's supposed to be like that.
Oh, okay. But then there's other areas where it's
like, all right, I'll just say it. It's money. I
hate it. It's gotten better, but it's like
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incrementally. And it's always the area where,
you know, when I have a call with.
Krishna Avalon (24:33):
A bookkeeper, her, it's like.
Meredith Oke (24:36):
You know, I can feel that as you said, that
contraction.
Krishna Avalon (24:41):
And so what we would do is pick an aspect, you
know, not all of the money stuff, but we would
pick a specific thing around the money. Like you
just named the bookkeeper call and you'd sit
there and you focus, focus, focus on that stress,
of what it's like to feel contracted with your
call with your bookkeeper. And you'd sit there
and like, like, not try to fix it in your mind or
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imagine what you want. You're literally sitting
there in this thing we call a whole brain posture
until this shift happens. Like, you might start
feeling panicky or stressed or, or crying,
tension in your body. And that's all very, very
normal. And then you just keep sitting there and
focusing on it. And then all of a sudden this
shift happens. Whether it's physically, mentally,
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emotionally. You might just breathe, this new
perception might become available where you're
like, oh. And then all of a sudden you're on the
call with your bookkeeper and it's like, not
stressful and it's easy. And you're like, oh,
that was actually really easy. And sometimes the
balance takes a minute. Sometimes people sit
there in that whole brain posture for 20 and it
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doesn't matter. We muscle test before and after
the balance just to make sure there's been a
shift. And then, yeah, yesterday I did do a
balance for someone around business with someone,
and it was like the stress that they have when
they look at their bank account every day, right?
Like logging in, seeing where they're. So that
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kind of thing. I did a balance the other day with
a client who, you know, for body stuff, she's
just not feeling good in her body, very self
conscious, very critical. And she wrote me the
next day and she was like, I was hanging out in
my bikini with my husband's family. I'm like,
laying on the ground on the beach blanket
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sideways. And like, I just didn't give a hoot,
you know what I mean? I didn't even know who I
was. She's like, she's like, I didn't even know
who I was, but I loved it. I did not care. And I
was like, that's. Yeah, that's psych.
Meredith Oke (26:47):
Wow. And that was just like sort of reprogramming
the part of her subconscious that was locked into
being, seeing her body negatively and feeling
critical of her, of her physical self.
Krishna Avalon (27:01):
Yeah, we did a stress balance around, like, what
it's like for her to look in the mirror naked.
And so she focused on that in that bull brain
posture. And for that one, it looks something
like your ankles are crossed and your hands are
crossed in this way when we cross the midline of
the body like that. If you've ever done emdr,
it's similar. You're just like getting those left
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and right hemispheres to communicate together.
But so she was focusing on that. She had this
nausea, she was tight, she had all this like,
chatter in her brain. And then all of a sudden
she just felt really relaxed. And then that's
when she knew that we were done. And we muscle
tested to make sure that it had happened, the
shift had happened. And then we also created a
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goal statement, something along the lines of, I
love and accept my body exactly as it is. She's a
mama, she had three babies. And so the
combination, I think we did one other stress
balance too. But like, the combination of that is
going to change your life, you know?
Meredith Oke (28:06):
Yes. It's so interesting to me, and I've been
having this conversation recently that there, you
know, and this is a subconscious and a conscious
belief, I guess, this idea that it's very, very
hard to get over trauma. It's very, very hard to
change these types of things. And I feel like
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we're kind of. There's this idea that we're.
We're locked in. And then I speak to people like
you, and there are so many beautiful modalities
and approaches that can clear or in your case,
reprogram. And it's almost, I feel like sometimes
it's almost like it's like the culture is
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encouraging us to hold on to it 100%.
Krishna Avalon (28:56):
I'm so glad that you brought this up because we
all have stress and trauma, and trauma doesn't
have to be like hugely dark, horrible. Shh, Boom.
Like, it can be just long term stress. Like, most
people had some of this during COVID you know,
whether it was their business or worried about
health or the unknown. You know, I've been
working with a lot of people of fear of the
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unknown since COVID and we all have that stuff.
And this is exactly what I try to help people
understand is it does not have to take 20 years
of CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy, which is
like, very enduring and like, arduous. And I
mean, I'm not attracted to it. To have to go
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through this stuff and like, relive it and have
the experience. No, you can. Some people's
personalities just believe that you have to,
like, work really hard to earn healing or freedom
or peace. And that's what I'm here to represent
is like, you already deserve that. And it can be
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simple and easy. Like, simple to me is elegant.
It doesn't. And it's deep. You don't have to
prove that, that you're worthy of having what you
want by, like, suffering and So I think that a
lot of people who do choose things like cbt,
maybe they don't know any different. But also
there are ways that are loving, compassionate,
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peaceful, gentle, simple and you can get there
quicker. That's what I want.
Meredith Oke (30:29):
Yes, that sounds really good. I'm done. I did
enough struggle. I'm good. I'm ready for the
simple elegant solutions.
Krishna Avalon (30:42):
Exactly.
Meredith Oke (30:43):
And so something else that I was thinking about
in terms of the subconscious is the collective
subconscious and how, you know, my choice to
clear my stuff and free my, you know, reprogram
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myself in a way that I choose that works better
for me and leads me to feel how I want to feel in
my life. Am I also impacting other, you know, is
that going to ripple out? Like we're, you know,
we talk a lot about the quantum field here as
well. So I would imagine that it feels, and I say
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selfish and almost in a good way. Like I think we
need to be a bit more focused on our, what we
want and need. But by doing that we're unlocking
something that may have a ripple effect.
Krishna Avalon (31:40):
Yes, you're super speaking my language with all
the things, ripple effects, quantum fields,
rational trauma. Like I know that when I am
healing and tending my inner team and teenager
that still needs to be held, seen. And this is
more like internal family systems, I realize,
which is another formal mental health framework.
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But when I do that work, and then I'll combine it
sometimes with subconscious work, when I do my
subconscious work or my inner wounding work, it's
totally affecting my daughter, it's affecting her
kids if she has them. It's, you know, I believe
as a spiritual being it is going throughout space
and time. Not just current present moment, but
definitely current present moment. What I do
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inside myself is absolutely affecting every
single person as a client or patient that comes
through my door. And I know that that's why
people return to me is because I do my work. I
get to be the tuning fork rather than match
somebody's dysregulated nervous system. I get to
be like the person people come to, to co regulate
with because I can, can hold my own because I've
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tended that wound. I've been with my shadow. I
get to guide you from an embodied place. And like
I used to feel so shitty or guilty for like not
reading the news and know what's going on all the
time. And I've had to let that go because there's
enough going on for my own nervous system in my
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own world and all the people that I care for to.
Meredith Oke (33:17):
Yeah, I love that. Sorry, your audio just did
something weird. I think it's still recording on
your side, though, so it should be fine.
Krishna Avalon (33:30):
Okay.
Meredith Oke (33:33):
Yeah. I have a lot of opinions, opinions about
how much news we should be watching, which is.
Which is not much. And I also, speaking like,
looking at it from the subconscious, I. Partly
just due to circumstance because we lived
overseas, and partly due to personal choice
because I've never really liked watching the
news, but I would. I did for many, many years,
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did not watch any kind of, like, official news
channel with the news, Anchorage sitting there.
And then I think, like, during COVID I was
watching more clips than I ever had of this kind
of thing. And I. It just was so clear to me. The.
Everything about those shows is trying to program
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you this. These news anchors speak with such
authoritative certainty. And they're all, like,
framed up as they're alone in this chair in this
high space with a thing. And they're like, I know
everything that's going on, and this is what it
is. And you're like. And you just. Even though I
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consciously was like, I'm not really into this, I
could feel on an energetic level, my body just
kind of like, responding to this. It was
programming is what it felt like. I could feel
myself being programmed by all of the different
cues that they. You know, it's on purpose or not.
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I don't want to get into that, but that's what
the effect felt like to me after having been away
from it for so long.
Krishna Avalon (35:07):
Exactly. And thankfully, we don't have cable TV
in our house. There are so many things I'd rather
do than watch tv. I mean, we pull some, sometimes
watch movies, of course, or binge a show. But
it's shocking what people choose to, like, let
seep into their subconscious just with
commercials. I was waiting for some food recently
(35:31):
at a restaurant for pickup. And when you don't
have a tv and then you see, yes, you're like, I
mean, I made. Because we were like, re watching
Stranger Things last time for like, the fourth
time, season one, only not season. And I was
like, crying at stuff. And she's like, are you
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okay, mom? And I'm like, I don't watch stuff, so
things affect me. And I like that I'm not always
tuned into, like, the programming and the TV and
the things. I'm not desensitized in that way. I
want to be affected by things. But back to the
restaurant, I was like, oh, okay, I counted
right. Eight commercials, and six of them are
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pharmaceuticals. And I was like, oh, My. And
pharmaceuticals with just a list of side effects
essentially with people bouncing around being
happy thing. And I was like, this is, this is
like what normal people, most people are tuning
into. And I was like, oh my God. Not that I
didn't know that. But then when you have it just
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right there to like, wow. No wonder, no wonder we
have these.
Meredith Oke (36:39):
Yeah, no, it's. It's crazy. The, the way, the
way. And then when you understand at a deep
level, like the way you're explaining to us right
now and you know, from like a quantum biologic
perspective, like our. We're in continuous
energetic communication with our environment all
of the time. And so you think like, oh, it's just
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a commercial commercial, but it's the messaging.
And so if you're not aware of what's going on,
like, yeah, it's crazy. I had that same
experience. We don't watch much tv, but there's
certain like sports events that my husband and my
son like to watch together. And they. Yeah, every
ad it was like, take this pill to fix this
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problem. Oh, you might get. You might get a heart
attack or have bloody diarrhea, but don't worry
about that. What?
Krishna Avalon (37:30):
No big deal. Look how you're bouncing with your
family.
Meredith Oke (37:36):
But it's all. But it's fine. You should talk to
your doctor. Talk to your doctor about this. Talk
to your doctor about that. Okay. This is so
weird. It's like I feel like I'm sometimes in a
science fiction movie where like the, the hero
gets dropped into to some alternate future
universe and you're like, what's all this? What's
happening? But it's real, it's art. This is our
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timeline. But I feel like we live in a slightly
different version of it. And then we go visit
that one and it's like, what's happening?
Krishna Avalon (38:04):
You. You 100% are exactly reality here to like
spread light and be light and do that ripply
effect thing that you do. But yeah.
Meredith Oke (38:22):
So, yeah, I just wanted to swing back to Bruce
Lipton for a minute because, yeah, he had a
profound influence on me as well. I remember
reading his book when it came out and he was the
first person that articulated the idea that our
thoughts and our beliefs could affect our
biology. And I read it. I was pregnant with my
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first child at the time and maybe got a little
obsessed with personal development because I'm
like, I don't want to pass on my bad beliefs to
the baby. But his. Yeah, his perspective I think
has really borne out. And there are. Now there's
now science to show that he was absolutely
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correct with that.
Krishna Avalon (39:10):
Exactly. And you know, he has his own personal
story which I think really helps it land for
people, is that he was a scientist and he wasn't
a spiritual person. And when he started making
these connections by studying cells, right. And
seeing how they would respond to different like
environments or things they were doing in the
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lab, it's like his world got wrong.
Meredith Oke (39:35):
Right.
Krishna Avalon (39:36):
Like he realized like there was something more
than science and just hearing about his own
personal relationships and how he was never
really able to find love. And he was, you know,
in a way like kind of, kind of low self worth and
kind of clinging as he would describe it. And
then, you know, he met his wife as he started
(39:58):
kind of doing his inner work. And you know, he
describes his marriage as heaven on earth. And
you know, it's so beautiful. And I think that
helps it land for people because he has gone
through it, he's gone things, he's teaching. So.
Meredith Oke (40:19):
Yeah. And he started by studying the physical and
then went out, went way out. And there, you know,
there are now like quantum biology labs sprouting
up all over that are showing that, you know, this
extra physical communication is for sure real.
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And it's interesting that too. You mentioned the
family constellations and family systems. Totally
different family systems. Oh, are those
different? Okay, sorry, tell me the difference.
Krishna Avalon (40:55):
No, that's okay. From what I understand about
family constellations is it's like kind of your
ancestry even beyond this physical space and
time, which is beautiful, but like I have enough
to work on right here on planet Earth. And I
love, and that's where I love to hang out. But as
far as like what's going on within my own system
right here and now, internal family systems is
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what I work with and that's a formal mental
health framework. Both psych K&IFS Internal
family systems were created by psychologists who
were not able to serve their patients in the way
that they wanted to. And so they created these
systems. And anybody who knows about IFS is like,
oh my God, yes. I mean it's so beautiful and
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loving and deep and compassionate and again,
simple. And it helps people be with the parts of
themselves that need their attention. Because we
all have those. We have parts of us. All of us
do. And then we have a self which is like the
Meredith who is already whole, healed, loving,
courageous, compassionate, wise, you know, all
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these things. And so the framework is meant to
get you and your self energy in relationship with
your parts. And as your parts arts get to know
you, they learn to trust you and they learn to
kind of unblend or unburden from these places
that they've been stuck in wounding or they've
been in these roles that are like very extreme
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and not comfy for your system. So for instance,
our parts can be either protector parts or they
can be exiles and our protectors can be managers
or fight firefighters. So the managers get a lot
of cred in life. They're like, get done, maybe
hyper vigilant, they're overworking, maybe
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perfectionist, critical, judgmental, maybe bossy.
And then they go into these roles to protect your
exiles. And so once you get to know how to
witness these parts of you and ask them like,
hey, what do you want me to know? I want you to
(43:04):
know I'm here with you. I want to get to know
you. You're not alone. You can imagine how like
these parts of you that went into these roles to
try to help you survive, like they learn to
soften and they learn to give you space and then
that you get to be with them, which is. And then
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other protective parts. By the way, there's the
firefighter protector parts are like usually self
harming and maybe like drinking drugs. When you
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get to know that the hearts are not bad again,
you went into the bones. You get to be with them
and tell them you love them and come to
surviving. It's amazing what that does to your
system because these criminals have never been
(44:23):
talked like that. They've never had someone be
present with their hurting. Who's there A lot of.
I don't like other frameworks in like a tense
practice people away, but to learn how to be with
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them and witness them and appreciate them. So
yeah, different than family constellations.
Meredith Oke (45:00):
Okay, that's, yeah, that's really beautiful
because it gives us a, it gives us something to
be in dialogue with as opposed to just being
like, oh, why am I, why am I being like this? Why
am I being like that? It's like, oh, this is my,
(45:21):
this is my firefighter trying to keep me safe. I
can talk to that part of myself. Do you ever
notice? And I'm just curious because I'm thinking
of personal experience here that someone will
have like a really dominant firefighter and say
that, you know, know they're, they are an
alcoholic or in an addictive behavior and then
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they, they kind of make peace with that part of
themselves and then the manager takes over and
they become like super hyper, like fixated and
obsessed with whatever and they just sort of move
into a very like judgmental Overly managing part
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of themselves.
Krishna Avalon (46:05):
Yes.
Meredith Oke (46:06):
Does that happen?
Krishna Avalon (46:07):
Yes. Sometimes folks are in conflict with each
other and so then you, you learn like a, you
know, a good facilitator. Really my job as a
facilitator is I get to like reflect my self
energy to your system so that your parts feel
safer to be seen. But then you really are the
therapist if you have enough self energy, part
(46:28):
present and then you get to be with, with your
parts and I just get to ask you the right
question. But yes, parts are often in conflict
and that's what you get to work with or you have
to be aware. And this is like, you know, people
who have like complex trauma and a lot of ptsd.
Sometimes parts will rebel after a session and
(46:50):
you might get to know an exile or a firefighter.
And yeah, those marriages managers might come in
and be like, oh no, we are not gonna unleash this
stuff. Right. So to your point, yes, managers can
come in and over manage more once you start
getting into the system. But honestly, in my
(47:11):
work, I haven't found that too much because we're
not going into a session with an agenda like, oh,
let's go unburden your exiles. No, just hanging
out and getting to know a part and just being
like, hey, I'm here with you. Sometimes that's
like a whole session. Usually we go way deeper
than that. But it's amazing how just slowing down
(47:35):
softens everything because most of us don't ever
do that and we don't ever slow down to give the
uncomfy or hurting parts of us attention. And so
it's really beautiful. That's one of the main
takeaways with ifs, is slowing it down, giving
things space to be witnessed.
Meredith Oke (47:57):
Beautiful. Yeah. And I think it's important to
talk about because that manager, that hyper
vigilant manager that you were talking about. I
was watching something on YouTube yesterday and
it was, it wasn't even a health video, it was a
business video. But the person in it made some
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reference to the cov, to being a recovering
vegan. And that all the. And like it was one
throwaway line in like a 15 minute video on a
totally different topic. And all the comments
were like really angry vegans. And it just
reminded me how in the health space, like we're
(48:40):
often drawn in for a physical reason. But I see
that that part of us then becomes like extremely
judgmental and critical and controlling and like
I'm choosing this way to, to deal with my health
and it everyone else is, you know, wrong or
(49:04):
everyone I Don't know. I don't mind articulating
it very well, but it becomes a bit of a, becomes
a bit of a thing. And I think it's, you know, if
we're too, if we're only focused on our food and
our physical health and we don't bring in all of
these things that you're talking about, we're
just going to continue. Even if we make strides
physically, we're going to continue to stay stuck
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inside some ways.
Krishna Avalon (49:28):
So true. And imagine like being super committed
to your physical body but creating an ex and a
subconscious belief that you deserve rest. Or you
love your body and appreciate your body exactly
as it is and then you combine those things and
then you're enjoying your regimen and your
exercise and your routines even more because it
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doesn't feel like a job from self hatred or not
enoughness. Like a totally different experience.
Right. Or being with the part of you that needs
to like overwork out or be hypervigilant about
your diet. You know what I mean? Like I have a
lot of respect for people who are like purist in
there, but it's like where's that coming from? Is
it coming from self love or is it coming from
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self hatred? And you're going to have a totally
different experience. Right. With, with one or
the other.
Meredith Oke (50:18):
Yes. That's such a good way to put it. Like
where, where is it coming from? And you know, we,
we focus a lot on connecting to nature and
connecting to sunlight and going outside in the
morning. And what I have found is so beautiful
about that process is that sometimes people
(50:39):
reject it because it is too simple. They're like
to your point earlier, like, oh no, it should be
harder. Like that can't really be that helpful.
But the flip side is what I hear and what I've
experienced when I do embrace those types of
practices is that slowing down, you know, like
it's going on a morning walk is just an
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inherently like a softening I think, as you said.
And so I'm just curious. I know you spend a lot
of time in nature and it's a really important
part of your life. So I'm curious how you see
those two things interacting that time in nature,
that slowing down, that ability to come into
ourselves.
Krishna Avalon (51:22):
Yeah, I mean it's, it's a non negotiable for me.
It's like a guiding, it's my compass to be
honest. Like for me nature is where things make
sense. I'm lucky that I have a reference point.
I'm old enough. Our life Pre Facebook and pre
cell phones. You know, I grew up in the 80s and I
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miss them all the time. That's part of why we're
rewatching Strange, because it's like, even my
mother gets it. Who's 16 is like, wow. Life
before cell phones. Right. And social media. And
when I am not in nature every day, I feel it in
every cell in my body. When I go for my walks, as
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you say, in the morning with my dog without my
phone, like, that's some of the best part of my
day. When I watch the sunset every night as I
walk my dog without my phone, even in a busy day,
like, that's the best part of my day. If I'm
struggling in some way with feeling like I'm not
enough, I'll go into nature. She's my reflection
of, like, more than enough, enough and
(52:30):
overflowing abundance. And it's just like, for
me, it's so simple. We're. We're nature beings.
And so like all of this other stuff, this modern
world stuff, like, I, I see it and I, I get it's,
you know, how cool it can be. But like, for me,
(52:52):
nature's words at. I'm guided by it. It's. It's
my God. Nature is God for me. So it's really the
most important thing.
Meredith Oke (53:07):
Yeah. I mean, that's how. That's, yeah. Really
where we're coming to. And part of why this
podcast exists is. Yeah. To really understand
that the more we cut ourselves off from our
source, where we are nature, the sicker we're
(53:28):
going to get in every possible way. And the more
we. The more we reconnect with it. All of this
healing that we're talking about is a natural. Is
natural. So if we're connected to nature, we're
just enhancing it.
Krishna Avalon (53:47):
Yeah. And so many of the people that come to me
with anxiety or with pain or trouble sleeping,
and they want to know what else they can do, and
I'm like, no, it's doing less. Turn your phone
off at 8pm get up and watch the sunrise. Put your
bare feet on the earth. Go for a walk without
your phone. Like, it really can be that simple.
Go to bed if you are tired, go to sleep. Like,
(54:12):
listen to your body. You don't need to walk the
data to tell you what you're doing, to check in
with yourself and be like, how do I feel? What do
I need? You know, these devices that we wear, I
don't wear them on the body to sleep for data,
It's. I don't know, it's like addictive for
people. Right. And, and I'm often just like, less
(54:33):
is more. Just get rid of some stuff that's
causing you stress and anxiety and then you'll
sleep and then you'll, then your belly will
digest better, you won't be so bloated. You're
not going to feel so anxious. Right. Like most of
what I get to teach is bringing people back into
their own energy and trusting their intuition,
trusting their body, listening to that, you know,
(54:55):
asking it what it needs, asking yourself what you
need instead of looking at a, a watch, an aura
ring or an apple watch, whatever people use.
Meredith Oke (55:04):
So yes, yes, and that's exactly it. And we're
being pulled away from that. So I so appreciate
your work to support us to come back into our own
energy. I love that so much because it's there
for all of us if we want it.
Krishna Avalon (55:24):
Exactly.
Meredith Oke (55:27):
Thank you so much for being here, Krishna. I
really appreciate it. How can people, people find
you?
Krishna Avalon (55:33):
Just the old fashioned way. You can just reach
out. Everything on the Internet is in my name.
You can email you, me, you can text me. I'm not
like always on the Internet, but I love
connecting. So definitely Instagram stories is
where I am when I love to connect or share
something. A lot of people for work reach out
(55:54):
through LinkedIn, but yeah, you can just email,
you can text.
Meredith Oke (55:59):
Okay, Wonderful. So that's krishnavalon.com and
on Instagram and on LinkedIn. K R I S H N A
Avalon like the mists of Avalon. Thank you.
Thanks for being here.
Krishna Avalon (56:15):
Thank you, Meredith.
Hi, Krishna Avalon. Welcome to the QVC podcast.
Krishna Avalon (06:02):
Good morning, Meredith.
Meredith Oke (06:07):
I'm really excited for this conversation, but
before we dive into some of the super interesting
things that you do in your work, I'd like to just
do a little bit about your story, because you
were a very experienced, very successful
acupuncturist for many years, and then you made
(06:27):
the decision to sort of expand on that and add to
it. Tell us a little bit about that journey.
Krishna Avalon (06:33):
Yeah, I have been really, really blessed to be
able to always have lots of people to treat. And
I think it's because I've always loved what I've
done. And my path to serve and guide others is
literally like the. The only things besides being
a mom that I've trusted 1000% until recently. And
(06:57):
so I think that when you are guided by something
higher than you and you listen to that, like the,
you know, you have a lot of people that want to
show up and be in your gifts. And for me,
acupuncture was the very first thing. For me,
(07:18):
that was an absolute yes that I trusted all the
way. And I had been doing it for about 17 years
before the pandemic came along. And I'm still
seeing miracles with that work happen every day
in my work. But I was in a place where I just
really needed to grow. And, you know, when you
can do something really well with a blindfold on,
(07:40):
that's beautiful. But for me, like, I just, I. I
wanted to know how I could. How I could serve
more or express more or serve better. And so I
started hearing about the subconscious before
pandemic hit and became obsessed because I
understood that the subconscious is where we
(08:01):
create 95 to 97% of our lives, and it's where our
programs and behaviors and beliefs and habits are
stored. And so if a person like myself can't make
changes in their life or they're hitting a lot of
resistance, or they're repeating stories and
cycles over and over, like, what is that about?
(08:23):
And so when I started to understand that it's
about the contracted, limited and self sabotaging
beliefs and habits, I mean, I became obsessed.
And so, like so many people, when the pandemic
hit, I needed to pivot. And so I had heard about
Psych K on a podcast, which is the process that
I'm trained in. It's kind of a silly name. I
(08:45):
don't love it, but I do love the process because
it's very simple and more conscious on, like,
maybe hypnotherapy or other processes that work
with the subconscious. And so I was like, hmm, I
wonder if that woman, the one woman in Portland
who offered psych K and was teaching. I was like,
oh, I wonder if she's teaching those classes. And
(09:06):
sure enough, she was. And she taught here in this
house. I ended up buying her house, which is a
magical story in itself. But she taught here for
12 years and lived here for 25. And I did three
of the four trainings here in her house. And even
though I knew 1000% this is what I wanted to
train in and work with myself, I needed to offer
(09:29):
it to some patients to see what would happen for
them. And without asking for testimonials or
feedback. Like, the response that I was getting
was amazing and profound. And I was like, okay, I
can trust this all the way now as, like, how I
can serve best in the world. And so that's part
(09:50):
of this story.
Meredith Oke (09:53):
Yeah, no, I love that. And I think, you know,
it's. I see this all the time and experience
myself. It's like, you gain mastery and in one
area, and that's really great. And then it's
like, oh, okay, but what else. What else can I
do? So that's just that growth impulse, I think,
that so many of us on the. So many of us have. So
(10:18):
I just want to talk a little bit more about that.
So, so acupuncture is working, you know, and
we're talking like, very high level here, but
working with the energy system, systems of the
body and then psych K, which is psychological
kinesiology, that is working with the
(10:38):
subconscious. So how. How do you explain the
subconscious to my.
Krishna Avalon (10:48):
To the people I'm working with? I will definitely
have people still come to me for acupuncture.
Maybe I've worked with them for a lot of years.
Maybe they're new in my life. Everyone has stress
and trauma, right? So I'm never really trying to
talk somebody into doing this work. But I have
these lenses and perceptions now where I can
(11:09):
explain, like, oh, with acupuncture, yeah, let's
support your nervous system. Let's help you
sleep. Let's regulate your hormones. Let's take
care of some of this pain. If you're finding that
you keep getting stuck on the same thing, it's
very hard for you to make changes. You feel
triggered over and over again. The best way I can
(11:31):
support you is probably this process that's very
simple. And you can peacefully unattach and go in
a new direction in your brain and have a new
experience. This is called neuroplasticity and it
can be very simple and very easy, which is why,
why I love the process of psych k so much. And
when people hear me say that, that's usually like
(11:55):
a light bulb goes off or it might be like a
little while later, they're reaching out. You
know, whether it's weeks or a year or a month,
and they're like, I think I need to try this or.
And then oftentimes people like this are going to
hear me on a podcast and they'll just sign up for
10 sessions. They don't even really know what I
do, but something resonates or intuitively, you
(12:18):
know, lights up and they're like, oh, yeah,
that's. That's exactly what I've been wanting to
hear, or I needed to hear or make sense to my
system in some way so I could talk about this
stuff all day long. It's just kind of like, who's
my audience? Who am I talking to? I'm not usually
(12:38):
just going off for no reason or trying to talk
people into being here. Um, but it's easy for me.
Meredith Oke (12:47):
Well, at the current moment, your audience is
people who would really love to hear about the
subconscious. All the things.
Krishna Avalon (12:54):
That's awesome. I just feel like you don't have
to spend 20 years in talk therapy and, you know,
maybe intellectually understand why things are.
And that's wonderful and beautiful. But if you've
been in talk therapy for, for many years and
you're still pissed off, avoidant feeling
triggered taking pharmaceuticals, can't really
(13:16):
even think about it or process because it's too
painful. That's where this work is so powerful.
Because in a session, two sessions, 10 sessions,
like you really going to change your entire life.
Your perceptions are different, People respond to
you differently. The world is a different place
because you have these new perceptions that
(13:37):
weren't available before and you don't really get
there. And talk therapy, usually you do get to
have the support of verbal processing, but you're
only working with your conscious mind. And so a
lot of people in regular talk therapy are
perpetuating the same stories over and over
again. And I say that not with disrespect. I
(13:57):
mean, talk therapy saves lives. I'm actually in a
master's program to get my therapy degree, not
because I want to go through more training and
another thing and more student loans. It's
because I believe in this work that I get to do
with the subconscious. And with a model called
Internal family Systems, I know that this is the
(14:18):
healing the world is asking for. I know there are
people that are not going to want to use ChatGPT
as their therapist and want human connection and
to be witnessed and held. And I'm just getting
that degree to make this work more available to
people because I just, I trust it entirely.
Meredith Oke (14:38):
Yeah, I was just having that discussion this very
morning on Twitter. Somebody had posted, it was a
very like cerebral startup young man. And he was
like, you can just do. Everyone I talk to says
you can just get so much better feedback on AI
(15:00):
than you can from a person. For coaches, for
consultants, for all of it. I just don't know why
you'd go to one anymore. And I was like, well
he's like, I mean, they all say the human touch,
but what does that really mean? I'm like, well,
human touch is a little bit glib, but in my
experience, a lot of times it's not a lack of
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information that is holding people back. Like a
lot of times people may know exactly what they
quote unquote should be doing, or they may know
the path they want to walk down. They're just,
for whatever reason, can't get there. And I don't
know, I don't know if AI can help you with that,
but that sounds to me like a subconscious, a
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subconscious anchor holding you in place, even if
you're intellectual faculties or conscious mind
is aware. Like, oh, I know I should be, you know,
if I want to start my career as a health coach, I
know I need to reach out to potential clients,
but I'm not doing it. Or I know I should be going
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for a walk when I wake up in the morning, but I'm
not doing it. And it's oftentimes we know what to
do, but there's a block. And is that sort of what
you're talking about here?
Krishna Avalon (16:17):
Yeah, 100%. Because a lot of us consciously do
know. And we might tell ourselves, oh, I deserve
a healthy relationship, or oh, I deserve to make
money, or oh, I deserve to love my career. But
the subconscious beliefs for most people are
pretty contracted. Like you might believe, oh, I
could have like this much love or this much money
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or this much safety and stability. But most of us
need like expanding on what we believe that we're
worthy and deserving of. And so, so if you are
repeating those themes in health, money, career,
love, relationships, the amount of joy and
presence in your life, it's usually because you
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don't believe or know in your subconscious that
you deserve the best that love and life have to
offer. You deserve your needs to be met, you
Deserve to have peace or to have a ton of safety
and stability. I mean, these are things I've had
to experience expand within my own system. And
then I get to guide others through from this
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embodied place because I've gone through it. But
like those are some of the foundational ones.
It's what we believe we're worthy and deserving
of in any area of our life.
Meredith Oke (17:29):
Right. And so if we have a subconscious belief,
even if we're, we have a con, we've made a
conscious decision, oh, I'd like to change that
belief. If it's really locked in to the
subconscious, it's going to take more work. Like
what's, so what's it going to. What. It's going
to take more what, what happens?
Krishna Avalon (17:50):
I know where you're going with this. You can keep
trying to like pep talk yourself or mantra
yourself or journal yourself. And the
subconscious does like repetition. So if you are
trying to make change, you can start small, like
one little habit a day and just keep changing
that one habit and eventually you are going to
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create that new neural pathway in your mind. And
that's beautiful. You can listen to self
hypnosis, you can use visuals and make like an
action board where you have just images of how
you want your life to feel and look like. Because
the subconscious does prefer images and sound
over like words and surroundings. Cerebral
processing, there are lots of things you can do
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on your own. But the work that I get to do is
like deep excavating and then you use these other
things to reinforce these new neural pathways
that you've just created. And that just makes it
so much faster. So if you, like me, want things
simple, direct, let's do it. Now. This is, this
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is the stuff. I mean and for me, this is the
stuff that I had been waiting for.
Meredith Oke (19:02):
Yeah, it's really interesting because I was
listening to you describe it and I think
sometimes and for a lot of us, and I know like my
audience is into all, you know, all the things,
they are very far down the path of healing in
many different ways. But a lot of the times these
things kind of get all like smushed together in
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our minds. And so I, what I, I find very
clarifying about the way you explain it. I'm
like, okay, so the acupuncture is the energy
system and then something like emotion code or
EFT is like moving sort of moving blockages or
moving things that are stuck. This is kind of my
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experience of things. And then talk therapy is
like a processing of experiences. But psych k
this kind of psychological kinesiology, this is a
reprogramming. So this is sort of going
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underneath. Would you say all of those things?
Krishna Avalon (20:09):
Yeah. I love that you understand and you even
know what psych K stands for because that's,
yeah, very helpful. A lot of people have never
heard of it. And the only reason they have heard
of it maybe is Bruce Lipton, who wrote the
Biology of Beliefs and used psych K to finish
that book. And he finds psyche the most helpful
thing to work with this subconscious. And he's
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definitely one of my teachers. But yes, psych K
is going to help you. Okay, so there are, there
are balances that we do in psych K. And the
balances are meant to get your brain in a whole
brain state is what we call it. Get the left and
the right hemispheres of your brain to
communicate clearly so that you can peacefully
unattach from a stressful or triggering event, go
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in a new direction, have a new experience,
perhaps have a perception that just was not
available before because your brain was stuck in
this one behavior or belief. Right. The other
balance we use the a lot is called a goal
statement balance. And that's when we would get
to talk about what you want. And this is where
like your best practitioner comes into play
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because I get to reflectively listen and help you
come up with your very best, most favorite words
so that you literally create the new program in
your subconscious. And that's where I feel psyche
is very special because I haven't learned other
process. I mean, you can with tapping an eft, you
end up, you know, you speak to like where you're
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stuck, where you're limited and then you start
kind of like reinforcing with what you want. You
can. And I love tapping. I didn't used to like
way back when because I'm an acupuncturist. And I
was like, I don't know, this is stupid to me. But
then I had a teacher who resonated kind of
explain it and I was like, okay, I love it. And I
not, you know, I'll do it in the bathtub or
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something. But psych K, because of the balance
that we do, it's just, it is, it's quicker, it's
deeper. And then you can use EFT or other things
to reinforce the new neural pathway and it's just
going to be so much quicker. And I love emotion
code as well. I love it. But that's more for
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clearing emotions, yours or other people's past,
present or future. And I love it. I'M like an
emotional being very much. But for me it's like K
was like, oh, I can unattach peacefully from
these things that have been really like I've been
stuck in. But I also can consider what I want,
which is how I love to work with people. Like, we
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all know what we don't want, but like, what do
you want? And we get to talk about that. So
sometimes people are like, well, how do you know
if you're stuck in your subconscious or if you
need subconscious work? First of all, just look
at your life and your relationships. Where are
you stuck feeling like you wish you could grow or
you're frustrated? We do that balance help you
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peacefully, unattach from a couple things. And I
see that balance as like clearing the slate and
making space. Because that stuff takes up a lot
of psychological psychic space. And then we get
to talk about what you want and create these new
programs so that it's just so much easier. Like
you don't have all the self doubt or the
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rigmarole or the stuff in your brain that's
keeping you from doing the things that you want
to do. And sometimes psych play is so subtle but
very powerful where all of a sudden you're just
doing the thing that you haven't been able to do
before and you're like, oh my God, I'm doing it.
Meredith Oke (23:40):
Right. It just feels, it just kind of flows and
feels natural and it's like, oh, wait a minute,
like a month ago or yesterday even I went to go
do this and it was like, you know, you either
have to force yourself or just avoid it
altogether or it just doesn't flow and feels like
I can, I mean, I probably won't, but I could
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right now, like tell you the two key areas that
are like that for me, that ongoing for my whole
life, right. And other areas have been able to
open up and like, oh, like showing up in
relationships. Oh, it's supposed to be like that.
Oh, okay. But then there's other areas where it's
like, all right, I'll just say it. It's money. I
hate it. It's gotten better, but it's like
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incrementally. And it's always the area where,
you know, when I have a call with.
Krishna Avalon (24:33):
A bookkeeper, her, it's like.
Meredith Oke (24:36):
You know, I can feel that as you said, that
contraction.
Krishna Avalon (24:41):
And so what we would do is pick an aspect, you
know, not all of the money stuff, but we would
pick a specific thing around the money. Like you
just named the bookkeeper call and you'd sit
there and you focus, focus, focus on that stress,
of what it's like to feel contracted with your
call with your bookkeeper. And you'd sit there
and like, like, not try to fix it in your mind or
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imagine what you want. You're literally sitting
there in this thing we call a whole brain posture
until this shift happens. Like, you might start
feeling panicky or stressed or, or crying,
tension in your body. And that's all very, very
normal. And then you just keep sitting there and
focusing on it. And then all of a sudden this
shift happens. Whether it's physically, mentally,
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emotionally. You might just breathe, this new
perception might become available where you're
like, oh. And then all of a sudden you're on the
call with your bookkeeper and it's like, not
stressful and it's easy. And you're like, oh,
that was actually really easy. And sometimes the
balance takes a minute. Sometimes people sit
there in that whole brain posture for 20 and it
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doesn't matter. We muscle test before and after
the balance just to make sure there's been a
shift. And then, yeah, yesterday I did do a
balance for someone around business with someone,
and it was like the stress that they have when
they look at their bank account every day, right?
Like logging in, seeing where they're. So that
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kind of thing. I did a balance the other day with
a client who, you know, for body stuff, she's
just not feeling good in her body, very self
conscious, very critical. And she wrote me the
next day and she was like, I was hanging out in
my bikini with my husband's family. I'm like,
laying on the ground on the beach blanket
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sideways. And like, I just didn't give a hoot,
you know what I mean? I didn't even know who I
was. She's like, she's like, I didn't even know
who I was, but I loved it. I did not care. And I
was like, that's. Yeah, that's psych.
Meredith Oke (26:47):
Wow. And that was just like sort of reprogramming
the part of her subconscious that was locked into
being, seeing her body negatively and feeling
critical of her, of her physical self.
Krishna Avalon (27:01):
Yeah, we did a stress balance around, like, what
it's like for her to look in the mirror naked.
And so she focused on that in that bull brain
posture. And for that one, it looks something
like your ankles are crossed and your hands are
crossed in this way when we cross the midline of
the body like that. If you've ever done emdr,
it's similar. You're just like getting those left
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and right hemispheres to communicate together.
But so she was focusing on that. She had this
nausea, she was tight, she had all this like,
chatter in her brain. And then all of a sudden
she just felt really relaxed. And then that's
when she knew that we were done. And we muscle
tested to make sure that it had happened, the
shift had happened. And then we also created a
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goal statement, something along the lines of, I
love and accept my body exactly as it is. She's a
mama, she had three babies. And so the
combination, I think we did one other stress
balance too. But like, the combination of that is
going to change your life, you know?
Meredith Oke (28:06):
Yes. It's so interesting to me, and I've been
having this conversation recently that there, you
know, and this is a subconscious and a conscious
belief, I guess, this idea that it's very, very
hard to get over trauma. It's very, very hard to
change these types of things. And I feel like
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we're kind of. There's this idea that we're.
We're locked in. And then I speak to people like
you, and there are so many beautiful modalities
and approaches that can clear or in your case,
reprogram. And it's almost, I feel like sometimes
it's almost like it's like the culture is
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encouraging us to hold on to it 100%.
Krishna Avalon (28:56):
I'm so glad that you brought this up because we
all have stress and trauma, and trauma doesn't
have to be like hugely dark, horrible. Shh, Boom.
Like, it can be just long term stress. Like, most
people had some of this during COVID you know,
whether it was their business or worried about
health or the unknown. You know, I've been
working with a lot of people of fear of the
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unknown since COVID and we all have that stuff.
And this is exactly what I try to help people
understand is it does not have to take 20 years
of CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy, which is
like, very enduring and like, arduous. And I
mean, I'm not attracted to it. To have to go
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through this stuff and like, relive it and have
the experience. No, you can. Some people's
personalities just believe that you have to,
like, work really hard to earn healing or freedom
or peace. And that's what I'm here to represent
is like, you already deserve that. And it can be
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simple and easy. Like, simple to me is elegant.
It doesn't. And it's deep. You don't have to
prove that, that you're worthy of having what you
want by, like, suffering and So I think that a
lot of people who do choose things like cbt,
maybe they don't know any different. But also
there are ways that are loving, compassionate,
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peaceful, gentle, simple and you can get there
quicker. That's what I want.
Meredith Oke (30:29):
Yes, that sounds really good. I'm done. I did
enough struggle. I'm good. I'm ready for the
simple elegant solutions.
Krishna Avalon (30:42):
Exactly.
Meredith Oke (30:43):
And so something else that I was thinking about
in terms of the subconscious is the collective
subconscious and how, you know, my choice to
clear my stuff and free my, you know, reprogram
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myself in a way that I choose that works better
for me and leads me to feel how I want to feel in
my life. Am I also impacting other, you know, is
that going to ripple out? Like we're, you know,
we talk a lot about the quantum field here as
well. So I would imagine that it feels, and I say
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selfish and almost in a good way. Like I think we
need to be a bit more focused on our, what we
want and need. But by doing that we're unlocking
something that may have a ripple effect.
Krishna Avalon (31:40):
Yes, you're super speaking my language with all
the things, ripple effects, quantum fields,
rational trauma. Like I know that when I am
healing and tending my inner team and teenager
that still needs to be held, seen. And this is
more like internal family systems, I realize,
which is another formal mental health framework.
(32:00):
But when I do that work, and then I'll combine it
sometimes with subconscious work, when I do my
subconscious work or my inner wounding work, it's
totally affecting my daughter, it's affecting her
kids if she has them. It's, you know, I believe
as a spiritual being it is going throughout space
and time. Not just current present moment, but
definitely current present moment. What I do
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inside myself is absolutely affecting every
single person as a client or patient that comes
through my door. And I know that that's why
people return to me is because I do my work. I
get to be the tuning fork rather than match
somebody's dysregulated nervous system. I get to
be like the person people come to, to co regulate
with because I can, can hold my own because I've
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tended that wound. I've been with my shadow. I
get to guide you from an embodied place. And like
I used to feel so shitty or guilty for like not
reading the news and know what's going on all the
time. And I've had to let that go because there's
enough going on for my own nervous system in my
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own world and all the people that I care for to.
Meredith Oke (33:17):
Yeah, I love that. Sorry, your audio just did
something weird. I think it's still recording on
your side, though, so it should be fine.
Krishna Avalon (33:30):
Okay.
Meredith Oke (33:33):
Yeah. I have a lot of opinions, opinions about
how much news we should be watching, which is.
Which is not much. And I also, speaking like,
looking at it from the subconscious, I. Partly
just due to circumstance because we lived
overseas, and partly due to personal choice
because I've never really liked watching the
news, but I would. I did for many, many years,
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did not watch any kind of, like, official news
channel with the news, Anchorage sitting there.
And then I think, like, during COVID I was
watching more clips than I ever had of this kind
of thing. And I. It just was so clear to me. The.
Everything about those shows is trying to program
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you this. These news anchors speak with such
authoritative certainty. And they're all, like,
framed up as they're alone in this chair in this
high space with a thing. And they're like, I know
everything that's going on, and this is what it
is. And you're like. And you just. Even though I
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consciously was like, I'm not really into this, I
could feel on an energetic level, my body just
kind of like, responding to this. It was
programming is what it felt like. I could feel
myself being programmed by all of the different
cues that they. You know, it's on purpose or not.
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I don't want to get into that, but that's what
the effect felt like to me after having been away
from it for so long.
Krishna Avalon (35:07):
Exactly. And thankfully, we don't have cable TV
in our house. There are so many things I'd rather
do than watch tv. I mean, we pull some, sometimes
watch movies, of course, or binge a show. But
it's shocking what people choose to, like, let
seep into their subconscious just with
commercials. I was waiting for some food recently
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at a restaurant for pickup. And when you don't
have a tv and then you see, yes, you're like, I
mean, I made. Because we were like, re watching
Stranger Things last time for like, the fourth
time, season one, only not season. And I was
like, crying at stuff. And she's like, are you
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okay, mom? And I'm like, I don't watch stuff, so
things affect me. And I like that I'm not always
tuned into, like, the programming and the TV and
the things. I'm not desensitized in that way. I
want to be affected by things. But back to the
restaurant, I was like, oh, okay, I counted
right. Eight commercials, and six of them are
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pharmaceuticals. And I was like, oh, My. And
pharmaceuticals with just a list of side effects
essentially with people bouncing around being
happy thing. And I was like, this is, this is
like what normal people, most people are tuning
into. And I was like, oh my God. Not that I
didn't know that. But then when you have it just
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right there to like, wow. No wonder, no wonder we
have these.
Meredith Oke (36:39):
Yeah, no, it's. It's crazy. The, the way, the
way. And then when you understand at a deep
level, like the way you're explaining to us right
now and you know, from like a quantum biologic
perspective, like our. We're in continuous
energetic communication with our environment all
of the time. And so you think like, oh, it's just
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a commercial commercial, but it's the messaging.
And so if you're not aware of what's going on,
like, yeah, it's crazy. I had that same
experience. We don't watch much tv, but there's
certain like sports events that my husband and my
son like to watch together. And they. Yeah, every
ad it was like, take this pill to fix this
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problem. Oh, you might get. You might get a heart
attack or have bloody diarrhea, but don't worry
about that. What?
Krishna Avalon (37:30):
No big deal. Look how you're bouncing with your
family.
Meredith Oke (37:36):
But it's all. But it's fine. You should talk to
your doctor. Talk to your doctor about this. Talk
to your doctor about that. Okay. This is so
weird. It's like I feel like I'm sometimes in a
science fiction movie where like the, the hero
gets dropped into to some alternate future
universe and you're like, what's all this? What's
happening? But it's real, it's art. This is our
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timeline. But I feel like we live in a slightly
different version of it. And then we go visit
that one and it's like, what's happening?
Krishna Avalon (38:04):
You. You 100% are exactly reality here to like
spread light and be light and do that ripply
effect thing that you do. But yeah.
Meredith Oke (38:22):
So, yeah, I just wanted to swing back to Bruce
Lipton for a minute because, yeah, he had a
profound influence on me as well. I remember
reading his book when it came out and he was the
first person that articulated the idea that our
thoughts and our beliefs could affect our
biology. And I read it. I was pregnant with my
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first child at the time and maybe got a little
obsessed with personal development because I'm
like, I don't want to pass on my bad beliefs to
the baby. But his. Yeah, his perspective I think
has really borne out. And there are. Now there's
now science to show that he was absolutely
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correct with that.
Krishna Avalon (39:10):
Exactly. And you know, he has his own personal
story which I think really helps it land for
people, is that he was a scientist and he wasn't
a spiritual person. And when he started making
these connections by studying cells, right. And
seeing how they would respond to different like
environments or things they were doing in the
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lab, it's like his world got wrong.
Meredith Oke (39:35):
Right.
Krishna Avalon (39:36):
Like he realized like there was something more
than science and just hearing about his own
personal relationships and how he was never
really able to find love. And he was, you know,
in a way like kind of, kind of low self worth and
kind of clinging as he would describe it. And
then, you know, he met his wife as he started
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kind of doing his inner work. And you know, he
describes his marriage as heaven on earth. And
you know, it's so beautiful. And I think that
helps it land for people because he has gone
through it, he's gone things, he's teaching. So.
Meredith Oke (40:19):
Yeah. And he started by studying the physical and
then went out, went way out. And there, you know,
there are now like quantum biology labs sprouting
up all over that are showing that, you know, this
extra physical communication is for sure real.
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And it's interesting that too. You mentioned the
family constellations and family systems. Totally
different family systems. Oh, are those
different? Okay, sorry, tell me the difference.
Krishna Avalon (40:55):
No, that's okay. From what I understand about
family constellations is it's like kind of your
ancestry even beyond this physical space and
time, which is beautiful, but like I have enough
to work on right here on planet Earth. And I
love, and that's where I love to hang out. But as
far as like what's going on within my own system
right here and now, internal family systems is
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what I work with and that's a formal mental
health framework. Both psych K&IFS Internal
family systems were created by psychologists who
were not able to serve their patients in the way
that they wanted to. And so they created these
systems. And anybody who knows about IFS is like,
oh my God, yes. I mean it's so beautiful and
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loving and deep and compassionate and again,
simple. And it helps people be with the parts of
themselves that need their attention. Because we
all have those. We have parts of us. All of us
do. And then we have a self which is like the
Meredith who is already whole, healed, loving,
courageous, compassionate, wise, you know, all
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these things. And so the framework is meant to
get you and your self energy in relationship with
your parts. And as your parts arts get to know
you, they learn to trust you and they learn to
kind of unblend or unburden from these places
that they've been stuck in wounding or they've
been in these roles that are like very extreme
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and not comfy for your system. So for instance,
our parts can be either protector parts or they
can be exiles and our protectors can be managers
or fight firefighters. So the managers get a lot
of cred in life. They're like, get done, maybe
hyper vigilant, they're overworking, maybe
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perfectionist, critical, judgmental, maybe bossy.
And then they go into these roles to protect your
exiles. And so once you get to know how to
witness these parts of you and ask them like,
hey, what do you want me to know? I want you to
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know I'm here with you. I want to get to know
you. You're not alone. You can imagine how like
these parts of you that went into these roles to
try to help you survive, like they learn to
soften and they learn to give you space and then
that you get to be with them, which is. And then
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other protective parts. By the way, there's the
firefighter protector parts are like usually self
harming and maybe like drinking drugs. When you
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get to know that the hearts are not bad again,
you went into the bones. You get to be with them
and tell them you love them and come to
surviving. It's amazing what that does to your
system because these criminals have never been
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talked like that. They've never had someone be
present with their hurting. Who's there A lot of.
I don't like other frameworks in like a tense
practice people away, but to learn how to be with
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them and witness them and appreciate them. So
yeah, different than family constellations.
Meredith Oke (45:00):
Okay, that's, yeah, that's really beautiful
because it gives us a, it gives us something to
be in dialogue with as opposed to just being
like, oh, why am I, why am I being like this? Why
am I being like that? It's like, oh, this is my,
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this is my firefighter trying to keep me safe. I
can talk to that part of myself. Do you ever
notice? And I'm just curious because I'm thinking
of personal experience here that someone will
have like a really dominant firefighter and say
that, you know, know they're, they are an
alcoholic or in an addictive behavior and then
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they, they kind of make peace with that part of
themselves and then the manager takes over and
they become like super hyper, like fixated and
obsessed with whatever and they just sort of move
into a very like judgmental Overly managing part
(46:04):
of themselves.
Krishna Avalon (46:05):
Yes.
Meredith Oke (46:06):
Does that happen?
Krishna Avalon (46:07):
Yes. Sometimes folks are in conflict with each
other and so then you, you learn like a, you
know, a good facilitator. Really my job as a
facilitator is I get to like reflect my self
energy to your system so that your parts feel
safer to be seen. But then you really are the
therapist if you have enough self energy, part
(46:28):
present and then you get to be with, with your
parts and I just get to ask you the right
question. But yes, parts are often in conflict
and that's what you get to work with or you have
to be aware. And this is like, you know, people
who have like complex trauma and a lot of ptsd.
Sometimes parts will rebel after a session and
(46:50):
you might get to know an exile or a firefighter.
And yeah, those marriages managers might come in
and be like, oh no, we are not gonna unleash this
stuff. Right. So to your point, yes, managers can
come in and over manage more once you start
getting into the system. But honestly, in my
(47:11):
work, I haven't found that too much because we're
not going into a session with an agenda like, oh,
let's go unburden your exiles. No, just hanging
out and getting to know a part and just being
like, hey, I'm here with you. Sometimes that's
like a whole session. Usually we go way deeper
than that. But it's amazing how just slowing down
(47:35):
softens everything because most of us don't ever
do that and we don't ever slow down to give the
uncomfy or hurting parts of us attention. And so
it's really beautiful. That's one of the main
takeaways with ifs, is slowing it down, giving
things space to be witnessed.
Meredith Oke (47:57):
Beautiful. Yeah. And I think it's important to
talk about because that manager, that hyper
vigilant manager that you were talking about. I
was watching something on YouTube yesterday and
it was, it wasn't even a health video, it was a
business video. But the person in it made some
(48:19):
reference to the cov, to being a recovering
vegan. And that all the. And like it was one
throwaway line in like a 15 minute video on a
totally different topic. And all the comments
were like really angry vegans. And it just
reminded me how in the health space, like we're
(48:40):
often drawn in for a physical reason. But I see
that that part of us then becomes like extremely
judgmental and critical and controlling and like
I'm choosing this way to, to deal with my health
and it everyone else is, you know, wrong or
(49:04):
everyone I Don't know. I don't mind articulating
it very well, but it becomes a bit of a, becomes
a bit of a thing. And I think it's, you know, if
we're too, if we're only focused on our food and
our physical health and we don't bring in all of
these things that you're talking about, we're
just going to continue. Even if we make strides
physically, we're going to continue to stay stuck
(49:27):
inside some ways.
Krishna Avalon (49:28):
So true. And imagine like being super committed
to your physical body but creating an ex and a
subconscious belief that you deserve rest. Or you
love your body and appreciate your body exactly
as it is and then you combine those things and
then you're enjoying your regimen and your
exercise and your routines even more because it
(49:49):
doesn't feel like a job from self hatred or not
enoughness. Like a totally different experience.
Right. Or being with the part of you that needs
to like overwork out or be hypervigilant about
your diet. You know what I mean? Like I have a
lot of respect for people who are like purist in
there, but it's like where's that coming from? Is
it coming from self love or is it coming from
(50:10):
self hatred? And you're going to have a totally
different experience. Right. With, with one or
the other.
Meredith Oke (50:18):
Yes. That's such a good way to put it. Like
where, where is it coming from? And you know, we,
we focus a lot on connecting to nature and
connecting to sunlight and going outside in the
morning. And what I have found is so beautiful
about that process is that sometimes people
(50:39):
reject it because it is too simple. They're like
to your point earlier, like, oh no, it should be
harder. Like that can't really be that helpful.
But the flip side is what I hear and what I've
experienced when I do embrace those types of
practices is that slowing down, you know, like
it's going on a morning walk is just an
(51:01):
inherently like a softening I think, as you said.
And so I'm just curious. I know you spend a lot
of time in nature and it's a really important
part of your life. So I'm curious how you see
those two things interacting that time in nature,
that slowing down, that ability to come into
ourselves.
Krishna Avalon (51:22):
Yeah, I mean it's, it's a non negotiable for me.
It's like a guiding, it's my compass to be
honest. Like for me nature is where things make
sense. I'm lucky that I have a reference point.
I'm old enough. Our life Pre Facebook and pre
cell phones. You know, I grew up in the 80s and I
(51:44):
miss them all the time. That's part of why we're
rewatching Strange, because it's like, even my
mother gets it. Who's 16 is like, wow. Life
before cell phones. Right. And social media. And
when I am not in nature every day, I feel it in
every cell in my body. When I go for my walks, as
(52:08):
you say, in the morning with my dog without my
phone, like, that's some of the best part of my
day. When I watch the sunset every night as I
walk my dog without my phone, even in a busy day,
like, that's the best part of my day. If I'm
struggling in some way with feeling like I'm not
enough, I'll go into nature. She's my reflection
of, like, more than enough, enough and
(52:30):
overflowing abundance. And it's just like, for
me, it's so simple. We're. We're nature beings.
And so like all of this other stuff, this modern
world stuff, like, I, I see it and I, I get it's,
you know, how cool it can be. But like, for me,
(52:52):
nature's words at. I'm guided by it. It's. It's
my God. Nature is God for me. So it's really the
most important thing.
Meredith Oke (53:07):
Yeah. I mean, that's how. That's, yeah. Really
where we're coming to. And part of why this
podcast exists is. Yeah. To really understand
that the more we cut ourselves off from our
source, where we are nature, the sicker we're
(53:28):
going to get in every possible way. And the more
we. The more we reconnect with it. All of this
healing that we're talking about is a natural. Is
natural. So if we're connected to nature, we're
just enhancing it.
Krishna Avalon (53:47):
Yeah. And so many of the people that come to me
with anxiety or with pain or trouble sleeping,
and they want to know what else they can do, and
I'm like, no, it's doing less. Turn your phone
off at 8pm get up and watch the sunrise. Put your
bare feet on the earth. Go for a walk without
your phone. Like, it really can be that simple.
Go to bed if you are tired, go to sleep. Like,
(54:12):
listen to your body. You don't need to walk the
data to tell you what you're doing, to check in
with yourself and be like, how do I feel? What do
I need? You know, these devices that we wear, I
don't wear them on the body to sleep for data,
It's. I don't know, it's like addictive for
people. Right. And, and I'm often just like, less
(54:33):
is more. Just get rid of some stuff that's
causing you stress and anxiety and then you'll
sleep and then you'll, then your belly will
digest better, you won't be so bloated. You're
not going to feel so anxious. Right. Like most of
what I get to teach is bringing people back into
their own energy and trusting their intuition,
trusting their body, listening to that, you know,
(54:55):
asking it what it needs, asking yourself what you
need instead of looking at a, a watch, an aura
ring or an apple watch, whatever people use.
Meredith Oke (55:04):
So yes, yes, and that's exactly it. And we're
being pulled away from that. So I so appreciate
your work to support us to come back into our own
energy. I love that so much because it's there
for all of us if we want it.
Krishna Avalon (55:24):
Exactly.
Meredith Oke (55:27):
Thank you so much for being here, Krishna. I
really appreciate it. How can people, people find
you?
Krishna Avalon (55:33):
Just the old fashioned way. You can just reach
out. Everything on the Internet is in my name.
You can email you, me, you can text me. I'm not
like always on the Internet, but I love
connecting. So definitely Instagram stories is
where I am when I love to connect or share
something. A lot of people for work reach out
(55:54):
through LinkedIn, but yeah, you can just email,
you can text.
Meredith Oke (55:59):
Okay, Wonderful. So that's krishnavalon.com and
on Instagram and on LinkedIn. K R I S H N A
Avalon like the mists of Avalon. Thank you.
Thanks for being here.
Krishna Avalon (56:15):
Thank you, Meredith.
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