December 4, 2025 • 52 mins
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“It’s not too late—never too late to start,” says Roderick Lambert, midlife men’s weight loss coach and quantum biology enthusiast, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to unpack why the classic advice to “move more, eat less” fails most men in their 40s and 50s—and what really works instead. The key, Roderick Lambert explains, isn’t calorie counting or punishing gym routines, but restoring health at the cellular level: supporting mitochondria through light, water, magnetism, and honoring our ancient circadian rhythms.
In today’s episode, Roderick reveals how accelerated aging is the hidden epidemic behind stubborn weight gain, poor sleep, and brain fog in midlife, and shares the practical protocol he uses to help clients reclaim energy and cognitive clarity—often more quickly than they expect. He recounts his own transformation, the science of biophoton emissions, and what measuring the actual light coming off his own body taught him about aging and resilience. He also offers simple, actionable adjustments for anyone stuck in a modern, screen-filled lifestyle who wants to optimize their health even without drastic life changes.
Tune in to learn why our bodies are wired to respond to sunlight, local food, and daily movement—and why understanding your mitochondria could be the most powerful shift you ever make for lifelong vitality.
5 Key Takeaways
- Light is everything—start every day outdoors. Morning sunlight sets your brain and metabolism for real resilience and energy.
- Rethink food—ditch factory-made, embrace local and seasonal. Prioritize protein, eat mindfully, and let natural satiety guide your portions.
- Own your sleep—stay consistent with bedtime and wake up routines. Make your bedroom pitch black and track how quality sleep transforms your mood, body, and focus.
- Protect your circadian rhythm—limit screens at night and use blue blockers. Swap out harsh indoor lights for full spectrum bulbs whenever you can.
- Progress is personal—focus on building systems, not chasing perfection. Every small shift—from a walk outside to a better meal—can reset your trajectory for lifelong health.
Memorable Quotes
"When you look at what brings health, it all goes down to light, water, magnetism, the mitochondria. You have to hack the modern environment because it's pretty detrimental in the way we've set it up in a standard way of life."
"It's logical—we were wandering around outdoors all year round. The only water we had to drink was in the natural sources of springs and rivers, and the food we had was what grew locally and seasonally. That's how our physiology has adapted itself to work."
"As we age, our cells start to get less functional, producing more light. More and more of the mitochondria in our cells are starting to function less efficiently, and when they do, it creates a chain reaction of oxidative stress. This is why we start to see things like cognitive decline and chronic disease at younger ages—the rate that humans are aging is accelerating."
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(06:29):
Roderick Lambert, welcome to the QVC podcast. Hello,
Meredith. It's a privilege and an honor to be here. I've been listening to
so many of them, and now I'm actually appearing on one. It's like, oh, my
God, here you are. Well, thank you so
much. I really appreciate that. And I'm excited
to talk to you and hear about your journey. You've done
(06:51):
such good work spreading the light wellness
message to the world and especially, as I was just saying,
especially to the men, because
I talk a lot about women's health and I'm like, oh,
I've kind of been ignoring the boys. So. Roderick, I know
you work with lots of people, but you do have a strong focus on men
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of a certain age. So tell me what you're seeing out there in
the world with your clients who are
probably just out there living their lives and not overly
focused on biohacking or anything like that. Yeah, well, I'm
not really a biohacker, but when you look at what
it is that brings health, it all goes down to light,
(07:36):
water, magnetism, the mitochondria. And thus you have to
hack the modern environment because it's pretty detrimental
in the way we've set it up in a standard way of
life. But yeah. So men,
midlife, so whatever that means to you, I call it 40 to 60
years old. Typically they're working in high pressure
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jobs. Have a family achieved something in their career,
and Those sort of 20 or 30 years of
intense hard work and achievement
have led them to accelerate their
mitochondrial aging or accelerated aging. And
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the ones that come to me generally are at a stage where they've realized,
okay, I'm 50, I'm 30, 40 kilograms
overweight. Starting to feel that kind of not thinking as
clearly as previous as I used to.
Stamina is failing. I can't do this stuff. I used to. And
all the things that worked in my 20s and early 30s, like going
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on a health drive and dieting and running and going to the
gym, they're not working anymore.
So that's. That's kind of the sort of typical client.
That is a really good point. And I think that that is a
turning point for a lot of people. It's like we developed at a
certain stage in life, we kind of developed ideas of what it means to be
(09:04):
healthy. And when we're off track, we're like, oh, I got to get back
to those things. Like, I got to start running again and, and, you know,
not eat so many donuts or whatever. And then you
finally gather the willpower to do that, you get back on track
and it's not having this at all. The same effects
that it had when we were in our 20s. And it's like,
(09:27):
what's going on? How do you, how do you explain that
to them? Well,
that's a good question. It's something I'm still working on, trying to get that
message across. But I very, very clearly,
all my messaging and I talk to clients and the first thing I do with
a new client is we just go briefly over what, you know, what
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is the mitochondria, what are the mitochondria? Rather, what is a
mitochondria? And what. And, you know, let's
ditch this idea of calories in, calories out. It literally
doesn't obey the 21st century understanding
of physics as we know it. So now when
you consider this little organelle, all the things that impact and affect
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it, then that's where we're going to do the work. So, yes, it is
movement, yes, it is food composition, but it's also timing
of food. It's the light diet, it's your circadian rhythms getting back on
track and some sort of. We do a bit of
fasting work as well for better accelerating fat adoption and the
benefits of fasting. So I try and frame it round. Let's
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get your cells humming, your mitochondria purring back
at least as well as they should be at the age of 50, let's say,
because that's the key to, first of all,
getting rid of all the excess body fat and improving
your stamina and brain function.
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But also when you've done that and you've done it in the way we're going
to do together and built those habits, then you'll be able to maintain it then
for the rest of your life and you will get the
maximum health span for your lifespan.
Nice. Yeah. Because I think it's. It is,
you know, I mean, for you and I, we've been talking about
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mitochondrial health for a long time and it's like, yes, of course, but
it's not well understood out in the, in
the general mainstream at all. And it,
and the implications of thinking of health
as beginning at the level of mitochondria
are very wide ranging and really, as you said,
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go much beyond what the traditional understanding
would be. So could you
explain a little bit sort of in your words, for a general audience,
how you see it all fitting together?
Well, I think it mirrors my own kind of
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journey into this, this world, this subcellular
world, even veering on the subatomic but
I start. All my life I didn't know what a mitochondria was. I worked
30 years in HR, Human Resources.
I don't remember learning about mitochondria at school. I always feel a bit
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embarrassed when people say, oh, at school you learned it was the powerhouse of the
cell. I don't even remember learning about mitochondria. Neither do I.
It was not mentioned at all.
So yeah, and I thought it was calories in, calories out,
eat less, move more. And I sort of maintained till
the early 30s, slightly increased weight from my teenage
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years, but nothing unreasonable. But as you get
older, you get more and more mitochondrial
damage. They stop functioning as smoothly as well as they
should and the problems start to pile up slowly. And
of course I did the usual thing, getting up extra early to go for that
morning jog, trying all sorts of
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diets and things and generally sort of starving myself. It worked for
a bit and then you give up because something happens or life happens and it
all comes back again with interest. And I got to the
point I turned 40, become a father
and got a new position in my corporate career.
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And after a few years, three years of that, I realized
first of all, this corporate God that we all worship, I wasn't happy to,
didn't find it fulfilling to still worship. But
also I'd ballooned after a year or two of like
intense jogging and eating pasta and vegetables five times a
day and losing 5kg, I
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obviously couldn't keep that up and got balloons to the
heaviest and biggest I'd ever been. So I quit the
job, my corporate career, trained as a coach. But at
the same time I had started to go down this sort of rabbit hole, peeled
off the first onion skin of. Okay, so it's
not just calories in, calories out, it's this whole thing about what you eat,
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the macronutrients. So that was, you know, I started discovering that the low
carb, high fat world. And it was
like someone had taken a blinkers off my eyes. My God.
It's actually, the thing actually makes a difference what you eat in
terms of what happens to it when it goes inside you. And I just kept
digging and digging and digging and digging. And while I'd started out as a
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life and business coach, I was still fascinated
by this whole world of actually what is human
health, Having applied it to myself and
dropped all the extra weight, 25kg in seven months.
And then eventually I just switched to being midlife
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men's weight loss coach. By the way, I have successfully coached Some
women too, but generally it is.
And, yeah, and I just kept going down and I was getting this idea, okay,
so it's the organs, it's the Insulin, the Resistance, etc.
And then I realized. But hang on. But there's something more there. There's, you know,
these sort of. Then slowly, you know, when you start thinking about things, that the
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universe starts putting things your way. And. And there was a
point, I think, three years ago where I was. Yeah,
someone had told me about this.
It was a money meditation thing. Joe Dispenza.
I'm not sure who. It was someone like that
to play this six times a day and get into a kind of a
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meditative state and read this book. It was
called the Quantum Warrior, I think.
But it really resonated with me. And
funnily enough, my business started, you know, it was going in a bit of a
fallow period at that time. It started going well
and. But even. Interesting. Yeah, well.
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And then I bumped into. Well, well, well, well, well, that's
what we're supposed to think anyway. And now these days, I
believe that there's a lot, a lot to say for
that. But I bumped into the
seven and a half hour interview between
Jack Cruz, Rick Rubin and. Who was it?
(16:25):
Huberman, wasn't it? Yes. And that was like. That was
like, wow, about another five layers of.
That'll take you all the way to the middle of the onion. And, you
know, I was floundering like I was in a
tsunami of, you know, tidal waves. I was completely lost, but
it just fascinated me, so. And that's when I started really looking down,
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getting below the organs, the endocrine
system, down into. Into how cells work. And that took me to the.
The mitochondria. And since then it's just been digging deeper and deeper
and learning more about it.
Fantastic. I love that. I love that journey.
It's quite similar to my own, actually. It's like.
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It's like, okay, I'll try this. Okay, I'll try this. And then it's like, wait,
what? Well, try, but also read and
study and listen. I mean, on this browser I have something like
50 tabs open with various different papers I still haven't got around to reading,
but just too much. So, okay,
so tell us. Because, yes, the research
(17:33):
journey is intense. And then there's. And there's so much of it,
Right. It's not like, oh, there's, you know, one or two papers floating out there
that we can extrapolate from. It's, you know, there are, I think
in PubMed. Last I checked, there were more than
90,000 papers on circadian rhythm slash
regulation. And then the last time I
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checked the papers on quantum biology, you know, they were
much lower, but they're building and building. So
when you started to look at all of this,
which is incredibly overwhelming. So good for you,
what were some of the key insights that you started to have?
(18:17):
And how did you start to sort of make sense of
this world of mitochondria and light?
And apparently we have little
organisms in our body reading frequency all day long. Like how did you
sort of, how did that kind of. How'd you land the
plane on that? I don't know if I've landed yet, but
(18:38):
yeah, I was gonna say we're never landing. We're gonna be
circling for decades. Yeah. But you know what's strange?
It's like it just makes sense. It's. For me it just
kind of fits it. It's like, yes, that
simply makes sense that you know, when you're barefoot on the
ground, your, your autonomous nervous system
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resets to, you know, the parasympathetic and, or why
it's so great here. You know, the forest circadian retreat
in the forests. Why? It's just, you come back from a weekend here and you
feel like a different person. You know, is it
the ions and anti of the air? Is it
the green of the green color of
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the foliage? Is it
the infrared reflecting down off the leaves? Is it the
being, you know, lack of electro smog that you have in
a large natural national park? Is it just the fact
you're moving or the fresh air or whatever? I mean there are all sorts of
things that could be, but you can actually sort
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of trace little lines of evidence to all these things.
Some lines are longer, some are less, some are more speculative, some
are more factual, but you can still do it and it just makes sense. So
I think for me, and also the first principles, I'd say, you know, we,
I mean not just Homo sapiens, what is it, 300,000 years homo sapiens, but just
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the whole our ancestry in fact. Then you get, then you get down to things
like how life started on the planet, which is just, you know,
you get into life, the creation of life on planet and you get into
consciousness and that's just really mind blowing. But
let's not go there right now. Anyway, so you
think, you know, it's logical we were wandering around with
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maybe some skins on us, doing
whatever we did, hunting, gathering, reproducing,
maybe starting to make some tools and Stuff outdoors
all year round. The only water we
had to drink was in the natural sources of springs and rivers.
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And the food we had was what grew locally and seasonally.
And we spend a lot of time not eating, we spend a lot of time
moving. We spent a lot of time in the direct sun,
also in the shade. And it just makes
sense. That is how we adapted. That's how our physiology
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has adapted itself to work. So when you take away all these
inputs, then suddenly your physiology doesn't have
that comfortable, comfortable, familiar surrounding
environment that it spent hundreds of thousands and hundreds of thousands, even
millions of years developing around. So I think it just
makes sense from that kind of first principles point of view.
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Yeah, absolutely. And I really relate to that. It's like on the
one hand it's like why didn't. It's like what? And on the other hand it's
like, oh yeah, of course we're supposed to
get natural light. Of course there's a difference between
real light and fake light. Like actually. Yes. Why haven't
we been thinking about that? Of course we wake up at sunrise and
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you know, and went to rest at sunset. Yeah.
So yeah, it just makes sense like that. I mean we are
still have the physiology of cavemen.
You know, we haven't adapted as quickly, that quickly to.
It's been impossible to adapt so quickly to the rate of change
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that has been going on the last, well, definitely the last 300 years. But in
particular the last hundred and fifty and the last
ten, you know, it's just going mad, the exponential
technological advancement. I mean it's wonderful but at the same time it's
almost entirely detrimental to what ourselves
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require and are expected and have adapted to do so. They are
adapting and well, they're reacting to this new environment
in a way that is meant to make, you know, keep you
alive to survive the natural selection.
But it's, it's, it's an uphill. These reactions
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may manifest as what we call
disease. Yeah.
And for people like your clients, you know,
people who are in middle age and work a
traditional career, those careers have
become basically a full time screen job. I mean
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my husband has a job like that and he's, he's on zooms today
from 8 till 6.
You know, he's got a window cracked and he goes out, runs outside every,
every hour. But that's, you know, that's his
life. And it used to be like you, you could still burn
out from stress, but you weren't in front of a
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screen that much. So. And then I want
to get into, I want to get into your, your experiment that you did recently.
But before we get into that. So the blue light, right? So we're in
front of all these screens just by virtue of our
careers. A lot of, for a lot of people. So
just walk, walk us through how you
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recommend that somebody in that situation
makes adjustments and why. Because I, I want this
episode, this episode is to be shared with the men in
your life. That's what this is
for. So I want them to understand, like, okay, what are, what should I be
doing then? Right. And,
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you know, what can I do? We can't go back to living as we did
only, you know, 5,000 years ago. That's
literally impossible in this day and age. So what can we do? And
this, you know, so I'll take you through actually what I do with clients because
that's the easiest way. The Mitre Regen protocol, as I
call it. And so basically we start
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with, we start with four pillars. So one is food composition.
So the
only rule you need to remember about what you eat is that it should be
local and seasonal. That's the easiest rule to remember.
And of course it should be thus. Hopefully, logically,
it's also therefore whole food. Foods that
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grow in the ground or run around on the land, fly in the air or
swim in the water, but not coming out of a factory in a
been. Yeah. So slow, clean, seasonal. And because I'm
Here at the 50th degree north
latitude Czechia, just like most of my clients, you know, Germany,
France, uk, then
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that means in the winter, naturally, basically
eating primarily animal based. And then in
the spring and summer, you're going to be adding in all the stuff that grows
around you. And is it the flower farmers market? That's like. So that's the
food thing. And here's
a quick tip for all you gents, but also the ladies. I must say,
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they tend to actually underestimate
the power of protein even more. But
the first thing to do is a protein challenge. So basically I
tell them to supersize their protein portions in their meals. Eat
it first, chew it slowly, don't watch TV and
scroll on your device while you're eating, and monitor your satiety.
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When you get to 8 out of 10, you stop eating.
And I get messages back because I'm in constant contact with my clients on
WhatsApp. It's like one client called it witchcraft. A lady, by the
way, this is some sort of witchcraft because she suddenly didn't have any, she didn't
want any chocolates she hadn't eaten for, I don't know, five hours or
something. And crazy. Another guy,
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three in the afternoon. So I had breakfast this morning and it's absolutely
weird, I'm still not hungry. He was a
CEO of a bank. So it was like
amazing what happens when you just start to actually give
your cells the substrate that they need
to actually then make energy more efficiently,
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less messily then the second
prong. So look at your diet. I mean, look at not how much
you eat volume, but look at the content of what
you're eating, the composition and relearn your natural hunger
and satiety signals. And generally
that switches within a matter of days once they start. That
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second boot camp, as I call it, is based on
sleep and circadian rhythms. I don't normally
give it the title and the light diet because that can scare people
off. And in general we do the sleep and
circadian rhythms and the light diet I kind of put in
here and there, et cetera. So you get start getting the idea that the
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light we are exposed to has fundamental
physiological or we react fundamentally at the
level of cells and hormones to the
different types of light we expose ourselves to. But circadian
rhythms again, I mean, for the gents and the
ladies, the phases of dark and night,
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sorry, dark and light, absolutely key to
all biological systems
and all the things that go on within them and the things they do
are hooked up to this central clock that is the
main, the main signal is the phase
of light and then dark and then light and then dark. Yes,
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different biological systems do different things at different times, but
that is the, that's the pendulum that just ticks day in, day
out. And yeah, so
there's a sort of education, but I mean, I focus on sleep because that's what
a lot of people suffer from. And when they fix the circadian rhythm, then
suddenly they're sleeping better, not just sleep onset that the sleep
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biologists seem to get so obsessed about. That's important
how quickly you fall asleep, but it's actually what's going on during
the sleep. You know, you've got your architecture, sleep architecture. You want
to have no disruptions. Ideally, yes, there's a certain amount
of length, but you need certain things to happen. Leptin,
reset the glymphatic system, clearing up
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your brain, you know, the brainwash at night
and all these other things. So to do that though, you have to get the
internal cascade of hormones and that sort of constant
interplay of cells and organs in
the right synchronicity with so they work in the right
order and do the right thing at the right time. So that's really key as
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well. And because I primarily my message is
about weight loss, your metabolism is
almost entirely controlled by this circadian rhythm.
And if you're not getting the right quality sleep, then you're going to really
struggle to lose weight long term
for sure. Third boot camp then we go into like
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a bit deeper into fat adaption and fasting. So we talk about the timing of
food. I mean you and I would probably talk about chrono nutrition
actually eating when you're supposed to eat in the day. Depending on the season, you're
ideally going to eat during daylight, not at night,
after dark. But that's pretty hard for most people
who are working. So it's about, you know,
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perhaps narrowing that eating window down to let's say 12 hours or
10 or whatever kind of works for them. But also
starting to exercise what I call the fasting muscle.
So going to 24 hour fast, trying that a few times.
Some people, one recent client said to me, no, I
can't do 24 hours. I've been without food for
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18 hours before. And I got the shakes and felt disinfectant. That's okay, it's cool.
And after a month of being on the, you know, this is. Anyway a month's
gone by then. I think his fat adaption had improved his ability to
switch between burning glucose, burning fat.
And so he did it and it was like, wow, that was
so easy. And now he's gone, he's, he's mad about fasting. It's like for him,
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that is the biggest mind blowing thing that
he's learned from me is that he can actually go two days now
without, oh,
there's someone going down the stairs.
Yeah. So anyway, so he's like absolutely
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off his mind that he can go two days without eating anything at all
and just be extra focused on all the stuff he has to
do. And the final bit is movement. Yes,
movement's important, but it's not about burning calories, it's about everything from, you know,
the piezoelectric effect, about
mitochondrial regeneration, etc,
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etc, so you know, deuterium depletion. So
those are the four pillars and that's how I explain it. But I explained in
the concept of their daily. That's why it's one on one because, you
know, this lady I'm working with,
I'm getting a lot, I'm not sure if it's on the recording, but I'm getting
a lot of banging in my ears
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it's the. So yeah, one lady I'm working with, for her she's
rediscovered her enjoyment of swimming. So she's now going
four times a week to the local swimming pool. Another guy's got his own little
sort of mini home gym and a treadmill. So for him it's
just tweaking the way he does his weights but also how he does his
cardio. Because I'm a big fan of
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Philip Maffatone or Maffatoni. I'm not sure how you pronounce his surname.
American sports scientist and his math method.
So it's different for everybody how you.
In the details but the broad concepts are the same. And then we go
for two months where I'm actually putting on the coach's hat, where
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I'm helping them to learn through their own experience
and build these habits into what I call
systems. So actually they're building a system for
continued success. There's no kind of end
date or goal to achieve specific. Well there is one. There are
a couple but it's more about. It's starting to become
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then standard way of living. Right. And then we might bring in
things like cold thermogenesis and grounding. But I. That's based on the
temperature of the client and how they do.
That's. That's a very thorough and robust approach. I love it.
There was. So there's. There was one. There's one piece that I wanted
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to expand on a little because I do find this really
trips people up. And when I say things like this
people just stare at me like what is. You are
so crazy. You know the idea that circadian rhythm
is connected to our metabolism and
I mean we know it's connected to every biological function but I think
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that that one in particular people are like, what. How
does like circadian rhythm is like when I get jet
lagged how. What does that have to do with my metabolism? Could you
expand on that piece a little bit? I will
try to. And yeah. And the first thing I'd say is that
unless they're paying me, I don't talk about this stuff at all. Not even at
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home because you just get looked at like you're mad
or I'm on a podcast, I'm happy to divulge.
So how does circadian rhythm impact
your metabolism? The broader
picture is I use Swiss railways. So
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it's basically the Swiss railway system is renowned for being on time. I don't know
if it's still true, but it used to be. Or Japanese bullet trains. They run
on they literally to the second on time.
And so there's a central controller
there that is ensuring that all the trains and all the junctions,
all the stations and all the drivers are getting the right information at the right
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time. So, so the trains can go speedily, without delay,
safely along their routes to the destinations.
As soon as that controller starts to
misread his script or press the wrong buttons, then you're going to start
getting accidents on the track, trains are going to get
delayed, et cetera, et cetera. So including the train,
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that is your metabolism, because that is
site that is linked to again the
phases of dark and light and also dark and light, and also
when you eat that time of that moment that you eat during the day,
once, twice, maybe three times during the day, then
that also helps, that's feedback for the circadian system
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about food consumption. So
consistency is one thing and regularity. But
concerning the actual idea of,
well, so one of these trains I talked about is the
metabolism train. And at night,
while a lot of people I think just kind of think sleep is just something
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you do, you switch off and then in the morning you switch on again and
nothing's happened. And if you're lucky, you feel refreshed.
Actually I provocatively say
you actually do more in your sleep than you do during the day. In the
day your body's just keeping you alive, but at
night it's doing everything that helps you stay alive the next
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day, fixing all the damage. I use the supermarket as an
allergy, the 24 hour supermarket that during the day there's no time to
clean up all the stocks coming off the shelves, people are buying, they are
dropping stuff, making a mess, etc. But at night the supermarket
closes, the cleaning crew comes out and they clean up the stock,
they restock the shelves, etc. If it didn't happen that,
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if that didn't happen or it wasn't long enough, or it wasn't done good enough
quality, then the next day when the supermarket opens, there won't be enough
supplies, there'll still be a mess, etc. So
I don't get, don't often have to go
so deep down into details like you know, leptin signaling
and being
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in a certain phase of sleep, you know, certain period after you've gone to
sleep, which is actually not so much after you go to sleep. It's like since
you saw the first light that previous morning, that then
this sort of whole leptin signaling, the main, I call
him the main or it the chief
accountant, inventory Stock taking, that takes place at night. But if
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you're not getting to bed
at a certain time, after you've got up and seen the morning light
in a certain stage of sleep, then that inventory won't take place. And your
body simply says, your body gives the brain, or brain gives the
message. Okay, tomorrow, there's scarcity.
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There's scarcity in the environment. Everything we
consume, we're going to have to store. That's the default,
default mode that your
metabolism is in store because there isn't enough. But if the brain
is getting the signal inventory and can take stock
of what the food environment's like, how much fat there is
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in the body, et cetera, et cetera, then the brain gives permission.
Yep, tomorrow you don't have to store. You can burn and
that will affect your appetite as well as how you
actually use what you're taking in. That was a long answer. Sorry.
No, I love it. That's great. This is what we're here
for, is to, to hear how this works.
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And I think metaphors are the perfect way to do it
because I feel like once we can wrap our minds around
it, then what you were saying about creating those systems and
creating a relationship with food and
light that's different from the one we had before, it becomes more possible
because the intellectual part of us does
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want to be satisfied. I always say my, my intellect needs
like a bone to chew on so I can go and change my habits
without it interfering too much.
Doubtless you've heard the phrase, when you know better, you do better.
Yeah. And to have enough to understand why.
And because at the end of the day that changing our
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light is not that hard. I mean, when
you think about all the other things people think they have to do to lose
weight, you know,
mitigating bright light at night and going outside in the morning is
like actually just thinking about like, compared to
gastric bypass surgery or liposuction or
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marathons or whatever people think they have to do.
Yeah, it's actually pretty straightforward.
And sometimes I think that's the issue. Like it's too simple, but like, no, it
should be more like, should be more complicated, but
not really. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
I have nothing to say. Well, it can be complicated because right
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now, you know, it's dark at 5:30 in the evening and
only gets light at 7 or something in the morning over here. So.
So the social clock, unfortunately is the same all year round. The solar
clock changes as we progress through the
seasons. And that has to, you know, you have to sort of think about that
a little bit. So. And it is quite. I mean, I struggle with it
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myself a little bit. What to do in the morning. I get up at 6,
make my son breakfast and it's dark. So what am I gonna do about
my light environment? So what do you do?
Well, currently. Well, last year, last winter I was
being very, very
diligent about wearing my blue blockers and
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using just this, for instance, this little beacon here. It's a no blue
beacon from your friends.
Friends at block blue light. But it's really handy this
and sort of not quite
finding my way in the dark but under these dim circles and then once the
sun comes up, getting outside
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this winter, I'm not being as consistent or diligent, I have to say.
So I'm using one of those bulbs that emits at least a full
spectrum of visible light to kind of
replicate that light. Although I'm fully aware that
it's maybe not even a tenth as strong as
the sun's daylight, so it
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won't have the same effect. But yeah,
I know of a great panel that I think you've had
him, Ken Seeder on the podcast. Yeah. So his
Solite photonutrition panel, I'm a big
fan because it's 13,000 lux,
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powerful, full range, not just visible
balanced visible light, but also into the near infrared.
So, you know, almost as close to as about as close
to the sun as you can get from a tech device perhaps.
And then you can switch it into a red and infrared lamp
panel for therapy later
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on. So I want to get myself one of them, but I haven't got around
to it. That would be the perfect for winter. That'd be perfect. Yeah,
those are great. And yeah, Ken Seder's lights are
great. It's a non profit organization and
he worked alongside John Ott back in the day. So
yeah, great product. I'm happy to support, support him. And, and I agree and
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I love you explaining that because yes, you know, we, we, we have life,
we, our children go to school, we. There are certain things that,
I mean, I know people who have opted out completely and, and
run their own schedules and I have deep respect for that. But
not all of us have chosen to do that. But what I'm hearing you
say is that there are ways to make choices that are at least
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keeping in mind the circadian aspects.
And so even if we can't at this
moment rearrange our schedule, we can not
look at our phone first, we can at least have a full spectrum bulb or
something. Approximating. Approximating
what we could be getting outside and.
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Yeah, and I think it's. I really do encourage people to, you know, work with
a practitioner who understands this because. Cause there are nuances to it
and it's just so important. So that's the message. It
matters. It doesn't have to be perfect, and
it could be the best you can do. We don't have any purity
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tests here. Whatever. Every small step counts.
Cracking your car window on the morning drive.
Putting on the blue blockers like you're wearing when you watch TV at
night. Like all these little things. All right, cool.
So thank you so much for that. I think you have given, like, a really
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solid overview. I hope that all of the
husbands and boyfriends who are. And dads who are having this episode
shared with them feel seen. Okay.
You're. It's, you know, life is life and things happen.
So if you're not feeling or looking how you'd like to
be, there's lots of, lots of possibilities in the world
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to do things differently and feel good.
And Rodrick's a great guide for that.
So. Okay, so tell me, you've been
waiting, haven't you? Yeah, I've been waiting. I'm like, okay, I've got to
cover them. We got to do the foundational pieces.
So you're just casually mentioning that you had your
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biophoton emissions measured. Yeah. I
didn't know you could do that. Yeah, well, you can't just do it anywhere. I
was gonna say, what's going on in Prague?
Well, yeah, so
there I was watching a lecture in the Light
right now, the Guy Foundation. If you know anybody who wants to get into
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this, it's. Maybe you're like
several levels advanced. Well, doesn't matter. Guy Foundation. The Guy
foundation is amazing. That. That is deep science, friends. So if.
If that's what you need, go there. If you need the deep science, go to
see. Go see the Guy Foundation. But, you know, you had
Bob Fosbury on. On recently. I just listened to his.
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To the. You know, he's. I could listen to him hundreds of times. There's always
something you. But anyway, he was giving a lecture in the spring sort of
autumn series currently ongoing, on Light.
And introducing the talk was this
Czech researcher scientist called Dr.
Michael Tiffre. And I thought, bloody hell, he's here in Prague.
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I should just reach out and contact him. And in that quantum
way, as it happened, well, I reached out to him on LinkedIn. Just say, hello,
are we connected, etc. And as it happened,
a Few weeks later, the Czech Academy of Sciences had its week
of open house for the Czech Academy of Sciences,
various locations. And the
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Institute of Photonics and electronics, where Dr.
Sifra has his lab, had
also excursions and lectures there. So I
signed up free of charge. It was great. Let him know that I was coming,
that I'd say hello, you know, poor guy. And. Yeah, and so
I went to see, you know, what was put on for the public and I
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knocked on his door and we got talking and I said, yeah, be really
cool actually, because his research is around
ultra weak photon emissions. That means the light that is
created in your body all the time,
what it's for, how to measure it, what it's good for, etc. And
trying to understand it. So that is a large part of his work. The rest
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of his lab also is looking at how to use microwave
EMF to modulate. They're looking
particularly at microtube tubules in the cells. So that's very
interesting too. But anyway, he's
real expert on
ultra weak photonic emissions. Your own
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biophotons. Right. So for people just joining
the party, our body actually emits light.
So that does tie back into how light is so important. I mean, we are.
It has been shown with. You can't see it with the naked eye, but
it has been shown that we are giving off
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what is called ultra weak biophoton emissions. And
so this guy has a lab where he studies those. Exactly.
And yeah, and he's done some interesting papers and posters and research on the topic.
And I said, it'd be really cool, you know, at some point if I, if
I would be able to like measure my own biophotons. So he
said, well, yeah, okay, let's. Let's go and do it. So
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I went into this. Yeah, it's absolutely cool. The guy is really nice as well.
So. Yeah, and
one of his research team took me into this dark room.
There was a big black box with a cuff, a sleeve,
black sleeve. She said, you know, put your hand in there. Then there's a
sensor, there's a place to rest your hand. And. Yeah, and so
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they switched it on. And on the laptop next to me in some software, there
was literally this graph that was demonstrating how many
photons per second was coming off the skin of my hand.
It was about 30 to 40 photons per second. Wow,
it was so cool. That's so cool. We are
so cool. Humans are so amazing. Like what?
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Well, I don't think it's just humans. I mean, mammals at Least do the same,
I'm sure. Biology in general, living
systems. So, so what are they
studying in terms of biophotons and do they have any
theories? Have they. You know, are there ranges
where they, like, oh, you have, you have lots of biophotons
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emitting or less. Right. It's, it's. I don't think,
you know, the various work or the
labs around the world that are looking at this have got
as far as that. But Michal did say that
he's a few months away from developing a product where it
could be in a clinical setting at least, used to measure
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biophotons. And because there's a correlation between the
amount of photons being released and
oxidative stress that it could be,
at least it would be one way of gathering data
to then see. Can measuring your biophotons
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tell you anything about the level of oxidative stress
in the subject by way of explanation?
It's generally thought that the more photon emissions
that are cap. More photons you're emitting, the higher the
oxidative stress at that point in time,
at least. Because, of course, oxidative stress is present all the time and
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it goes up and down. So potentially, and
I'm working with a longevity clinic here in Prague that,
so we'll be talking about this soon, is, you know, how could
this possibly be used as another advanced,
another advanced way of, you know, potentially
measuring via the chronic or the
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oxidative stress in someone their biological
age as well? Because there are lots of different ohmics
and telomeres and that sort of thing. Perhaps measuring
your biophotonic emissions would have something would be
able to tell us something about that. So, you know, maybe Michael would
be something we could have on your, on your, on your podcast, actually. Yeah, no,
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I'd love to. I was going to say, I got his contact info. Yeah.
Because. Yeah, the way I've heard it described is that as we
age, our cells leak light at a
higher rate and when we're young and healthy, we keep
it more, keep it inside of us and it's a little
tighter. Is that related? That's a very useful
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shortcut for people who don't know about
what's going on at this level. Because I would say from
what I know, that is essentially true, but we're going back to the
mitochondria. That's why we start to get fat and irritable, sorry,
having cognitive decline and autoimmune and
cosmetic skin rashes and this sort of thing as we get older, because
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more and more of the mitochondria in our cells are starting to
function less efficiently. And when they start to function as efficiently because they're
somehow damaged or the electron transport plane is blocked, then you get all
these electrons spinning, falling off and
reacting. Because oxygen is highly reactive. You know, if you've set fire to something with,
with a match, you know, oxygen is reactive, that is starting
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to react with the molecules and proteins
and things that are around in the cell and in the mitochondria itself. So
there's. And this of course, damages the mitochondria and the cell and all the other
organelles and things inside the cell, which creates a chain reaction of more
and more of this happening, like fireworks. You can imagine it. So the more of
these start to do this, then you can reach a
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threshold within the cell where the cell will actually then collapse. The
cell membrane will collapse and it'll spill out and start it all over again somewhere
else. And therefore it's like an avalanche of this oxidative
stress, as it's called. This. This.
Yeah, the oxidize oxidation of molecules in the cell.
And at some point, of course, cells make up tissues,
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tissues make up organs, so it'll start affecting
the organs in which this is going on. So whether it could be a pancreas,
be it could a kidney, a brain, heart, et cetera.
So yes, so as we age, this happens naturally at a certain
speed. But as we've discussed, the
modern lifestyle actually has so many insults to our cellular
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biology that actually we are. Now we talk about the
pandemic of obesity, of heart disease, etc. It's a pandemic of
accelerated aging simply. And it's, you know, you can see
this now that people are being diagnosed with cancers, unfortunately, at a younger
age, with all sorts of these chronic diseases
of lifestyle at younger and
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ages, simply the way the rate that humans are
aging is accelerating. So instead of getting it at 60 or 70,
you're getting at 40 or 50, et cetera, or even younger.
And as this cellular, basically
fireworks build up inside you. One of
the ways we make this light is
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when this oxidation process happens, you excite the electron into
a higher energy state and when it comes back to the lower energy
state, it releases a photon. So that's how they're made.
Most of them are absorbed within the body. But of course, if you're measuring the
skin, then you've got a chance of actually picking them up on a
specific special
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thing, measuring device. But I don't know anything about the
engineering behind this, but which is What I did.
So that was a long answer. But yes, as we age, our
cells start to get less functional as well,
producing more, more light.
Incredible. Yeah, it's going to be, I think, very
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interesting as our capacity to measure that
increases and understand the links between,
between all of this. That's, that's a practical,
real world use. But whatever, you know, for me the intellectual
challenge is not for me but for others to do. But I want to
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understand it, thanks to their work, is what
is going on? Why are we producing this light? You know, what is it doing?
And you can hypothesize that because
we know that there are very many
molecules in our body that react to different spectra of light.
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Then is this light
signaling to these other molecules in the near vicinity
at certain frequencies of light to do things? Is this
actually. The micro tubules actually
can channel the light so from one part of the cell to the other, from
one part of the cell to the other to the next cell through the body.
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So it's doing something. It's not just there by accident.
So that's what I would really like to know, but hopefully I'll live
for this science to have been,
what's the word? Diligently and rigorously studied, maybe.
Yes, well, I think it's happening. I mean, I'm
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been getting emails and finding new quantum biology
labs popping up all over the place. And this
lab, it probably doesn't use the term quantum biology, but that is what
they're doing. And I think that
investors are starting to see the potential in it
for technological innovations and
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healing devices and so forth. So I have, I feel pretty
good, we're going to learn some really cool stuff in the next decade.
Yeah, yeah. And just by meeting
Michal, apart from measuring my photons, you know, he's just based on
a post I was doing about this experience, he sent me about eight or nine
really interesting papers to read about it. So, you know, and
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then, you know, his lab runs monthly, I think,
lecture with other researchers in different parts of the world. So I've just, I'm
halfway through this amazing lecture by this, I can't remember his name.
I'm very sorry, sorry, sorry, sir, from Canada,
who's now research, you know, the first 20 minutes is all about,
you know, the quantum supposed and
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already elicited discovered
quantum effects, you know, in biological systems. So you know, this
quantum effect of how, you know, elect light tunnels
within the, the, the, I can't
really call it now, but anyway, the leaf of a plant before it finds, you
know, that the to then attach to a
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chloroplast. I don't know much about plants, but
anyway, so that. That seems to be. To demonstrate quantum
effects in that. It's just. It's
wonderful. Beautiful. That's amazing. Yeah, I'd love.
We'll track down that. We'll track down that video and put it in the
show notes because that sounds really cool.
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Yeah, it is. We've reached a point, it
feels like, where we have just started to develop the
technology to measure these things. So it could have been
said theoretically, of course, there are quantum effects
running living organisms, running living systems. But
now we can actually. I mean, to my. What. From
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what I understand, we can actually see it. It's been imaged
and it's. There is imaging of quantum tunneling that I
think was around 2019 or something. I don't know
if it was in a leaf, but the actual act of it. Okay,
I don't know about that. I thought the problem with quantum
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effects is that the. The observer is part of the
quantum universe. So the observer impacts and
influences the thing that he's trying or she's trying to measure. So that's
a slight problem. Yeah, I don't really know how
we get around that, because the quantum universe seems to know. Even if
it's just a machine and there is no consciousness around, it still
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knows it's getting measured, doesn't it?
Yeah, exactly. That's part of the problem. But. Yeah, well, Michal
himself, you know, the thing I used was quite an expensive bit
of kit, but he said there's another piece of
technology that they use for. To measure actually the
whole body. You have to sit there for five hours. But I've seen
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images of it, and this is
even more expensive and complicated technology, but it exists.
If you need someone to sit there for five hours and measure photons,
I will do it. I'll be your guinea pig. You know, happy to. So.
Oh, that'd be great. Oh, I'm very excited to
know that we've got technology where we can start
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gathering a lot of biophoton emission data.
So fun. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I should. I'll definitely
tell him, you know, about today's podcast and I'll
ask him if I can pass on his contact to you because he's. He would
be an interesting person to talk. Yeah, I'd
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love to talk about him. What. Where the technology and
level of understanding is today. Yes.
Yeah. No, this has been so super fun. Is there anything you'd like to
add, Roderick, or any. Any last thoughts? We've
covered a lot of ground today. I feel like.
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Well, what would I add? I mean, to the.
The male partners of your female audience, but also to the ladies who
are watching and to the gentlemen who are watching, I would say
that you don't have to understand all this in great detail.
You do need to have an interest a
little bit to a certain degree, to be open and receptive to
(01:01:43):
the things that, you know, you hear Meredith's
guests talking about week in, week out, because
what we have been, and I was for almost my entire life, you
know, trained to think that it's all about calories in, calories out,
move more, eat less. Whether it be weight loss or health or whatever it
(01:02:06):
might be you're striving to achieve in your health. It's not the whole
picture, and it's only when you actually change your perspective.
We're not steam engines. We have these trillions of
little things in us that actually
are far more complex and sophisticated than any kind of steam engine,
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and they require certain things. And then when you start to. But again, the things
you do are actually quite reasonable. You know, it's getting out in the
morning sun, it's making sure you're getting some sunlight during
the day. It's about keeping a
steady bedtime, a consistent bedtime.
It's about, you know, making sure it's pitch black in your eye. They're not
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crazy, crazy things. While they may well
be having quantum effects within you, you don't have to understand them
and you will see the difference. And, yeah,
so it's not too late. Never too late
to start. I love that
it is never too late and it makes a difference for most
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people quite quickly. So thank you so much,
Roderick. And how can, how can people find
you? So, yeah, I post
pretty much daily on LinkedIn.
I spend a lot of time preparing posts and it's. Yeah, but I just
really enjoy it and I'm always learning new, fascinating stuff. I just feel I have
(01:03:34):
to share. And it's difficult for my audience because it's not always about what they
want, you know, losing fat or having more energy.
So that's my challenge. I have a lot of
nerds on. LinkedIn who love reading all your random stuff.
Yeah, well. Yeah, well,
yeah. Roderick Lambert on LinkedIn. I have a
(01:03:57):
links page, midlifemetabolichealth.com where they have
got a bunch of free resources you can get or sign up. There's
even a slightly oddball health quiz you might want to
try, see where you're at. It doesn't ask you most of the questions there.
You won't be asked at your GP or your doctor.
(01:04:18):
And I'm on Facebook and Instagram as well. Midlife Metabolic
Health. Roderick Lambert as well. And otherwise, you can
DM me through any of these platforms and I'll be very happy to have
a chat with you about anything at all, actually.
Fantastic. Well, thank you so much for coming on.
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I very much enjoy your posts on LinkedIn, so thank you
for taking the time to do that and reading all this research and then
being able to talk about it in a way that those of us
who majored in English can understand.
If it's any consolation, I have a bachelor's degree in
music, so. And if I can understand it,
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then anybody else can. Right? Yes. And that's.
And that's a great message. You know, this stuff is,
you know, getting right down into the weeds
can be a bit much, but there are some great takeaways that anybody can
understand if they choose to pay a little bit of
attention and listen to people like Roderick. All right, thank
(01:05:25):
you so much. We'll do it again. Thank you, Meredith. Yep.
Take care. Bye. Bye.
Roderick Lambert, welcome to the QVC podcast. Hello,
Meredith. It's a privilege and an honor to be here. I've been listening to
so many of them, and now I'm actually appearing on one. It's like, oh, my
God, here you are. Well, thank you so
much. I really appreciate that. And I'm excited
to talk to you and hear about your journey. You've done
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such good work spreading the light wellness
message to the world and especially, as I was just saying,
especially to the men, because
I talk a lot about women's health and I'm like, oh,
I've kind of been ignoring the boys. So. Roderick, I know
you work with lots of people, but you do have a strong focus on men
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of a certain age. So tell me what you're seeing out there in
the world with your clients who are
probably just out there living their lives and not overly
focused on biohacking or anything like that. Yeah, well, I'm
not really a biohacker, but when you look at what
it is that brings health, it all goes down to light,
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water, magnetism, the mitochondria. And thus you have to
hack the modern environment because it's pretty detrimental
in the way we've set it up in a standard way of
life. But yeah. So men,
midlife, so whatever that means to you, I call it 40 to 60
years old. Typically they're working in high pressure
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jobs. Have a family achieved something in their career,
and Those sort of 20 or 30 years of
intense hard work and achievement
have led them to accelerate their
mitochondrial aging or accelerated aging. And
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the ones that come to me generally are at a stage where they've realized,
okay, I'm 50, I'm 30, 40 kilograms
overweight. Starting to feel that kind of not thinking as
clearly as previous as I used to.
Stamina is failing. I can't do this stuff. I used to. And
all the things that worked in my 20s and early 30s, like going
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on a health drive and dieting and running and going to the
gym, they're not working anymore.
So that's. That's kind of the sort of typical client.
That is a really good point. And I think that that is a
turning point for a lot of people. It's like we developed at a
certain stage in life, we kind of developed ideas of what it means to be
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healthy. And when we're off track, we're like, oh, I got to get back
to those things. Like, I got to start running again and, and, you know,
not eat so many donuts or whatever. And then you
finally gather the willpower to do that, you get back on track
and it's not having this at all. The same effects
that it had when we were in our 20s. And it's like,
(09:27):
what's going on? How do you, how do you explain that
to them? Well,
that's a good question. It's something I'm still working on, trying to get that
message across. But I very, very clearly,
all my messaging and I talk to clients and the first thing I do with
a new client is we just go briefly over what, you know, what
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is the mitochondria, what are the mitochondria? Rather, what is a
mitochondria? And what. And, you know, let's
ditch this idea of calories in, calories out. It literally
doesn't obey the 21st century understanding
of physics as we know it. So now when
you consider this little organelle, all the things that impact and affect
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it, then that's where we're going to do the work. So, yes, it is
movement, yes, it is food composition, but it's also timing
of food. It's the light diet, it's your circadian rhythms getting back on
track and some sort of. We do a bit of
fasting work as well for better accelerating fat adoption and the
benefits of fasting. So I try and frame it round. Let's
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get your cells humming, your mitochondria purring back
at least as well as they should be at the age of 50, let's say,
because that's the key to, first of all,
getting rid of all the excess body fat and improving
your stamina and brain function.
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But also when you've done that and you've done it in the way we're going
to do together and built those habits, then you'll be able to maintain it then
for the rest of your life and you will get the
maximum health span for your lifespan.
Nice. Yeah. Because I think it's. It is,
you know, I mean, for you and I, we've been talking about
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mitochondrial health for a long time and it's like, yes, of course, but
it's not well understood out in the, in
the general mainstream at all. And it,
and the implications of thinking of health
as beginning at the level of mitochondria
are very wide ranging and really, as you said,
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go much beyond what the traditional understanding
would be. So could you
explain a little bit sort of in your words, for a general audience,
how you see it all fitting together?
Well, I think it mirrors my own kind of
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journey into this, this world, this subcellular
world, even veering on the subatomic but
I start. All my life I didn't know what a mitochondria was. I worked
30 years in HR, Human Resources.
I don't remember learning about mitochondria at school. I always feel a bit
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embarrassed when people say, oh, at school you learned it was the powerhouse of the
cell. I don't even remember learning about mitochondria. Neither do I.
It was not mentioned at all.
So yeah, and I thought it was calories in, calories out,
eat less, move more. And I sort of maintained till
the early 30s, slightly increased weight from my teenage
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years, but nothing unreasonable. But as you get
older, you get more and more mitochondrial
damage. They stop functioning as smoothly as well as they
should and the problems start to pile up slowly. And
of course I did the usual thing, getting up extra early to go for that
morning jog, trying all sorts of
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diets and things and generally sort of starving myself. It worked for
a bit and then you give up because something happens or life happens and it
all comes back again with interest. And I got to the
point I turned 40, become a father
and got a new position in my corporate career.
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And after a few years, three years of that, I realized
first of all, this corporate God that we all worship, I wasn't happy to,
didn't find it fulfilling to still worship. But
also I'd ballooned after a year or two of like
intense jogging and eating pasta and vegetables five times a
day and losing 5kg, I
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obviously couldn't keep that up and got balloons to the
heaviest and biggest I'd ever been. So I quit the
job, my corporate career, trained as a coach. But at
the same time I had started to go down this sort of rabbit hole, peeled
off the first onion skin of. Okay, so it's
not just calories in, calories out, it's this whole thing about what you eat,
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the macronutrients. So that was, you know, I started discovering that the low
carb, high fat world. And it was
like someone had taken a blinkers off my eyes. My God.
It's actually, the thing actually makes a difference what you eat in
terms of what happens to it when it goes inside you. And I just kept
digging and digging and digging and digging. And while I'd started out as a
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life and business coach, I was still fascinated
by this whole world of actually what is human
health, Having applied it to myself and
dropped all the extra weight, 25kg in seven months.
And then eventually I just switched to being midlife
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men's weight loss coach. By the way, I have successfully coached Some
women too, but generally it is.
And, yeah, and I just kept going down and I was getting this idea, okay,
so it's the organs, it's the Insulin, the Resistance, etc.
And then I realized. But hang on. But there's something more there. There's, you know,
these sort of. Then slowly, you know, when you start thinking about things, that the
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universe starts putting things your way. And. And there was a
point, I think, three years ago where I was. Yeah,
someone had told me about this.
It was a money meditation thing. Joe Dispenza.
I'm not sure who. It was someone like that
to play this six times a day and get into a kind of a
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meditative state and read this book. It was
called the Quantum Warrior, I think.
But it really resonated with me. And
funnily enough, my business started, you know, it was going in a bit of a
fallow period at that time. It started going well
and. But even. Interesting. Yeah, well.
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And then I bumped into. Well, well, well, well, well, that's
what we're supposed to think anyway. And now these days, I
believe that there's a lot, a lot to say for
that. But I bumped into the
seven and a half hour interview between
Jack Cruz, Rick Rubin and. Who was it?
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Huberman, wasn't it? Yes. And that was like. That was
like, wow, about another five layers of.
That'll take you all the way to the middle of the onion. And, you
know, I was floundering like I was in a
tsunami of, you know, tidal waves. I was completely lost, but
it just fascinated me, so. And that's when I started really looking down,
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getting below the organs, the endocrine
system, down into. Into how cells work. And that took me to the.
The mitochondria. And since then it's just been digging deeper and deeper
and learning more about it.
Fantastic. I love that. I love that journey.
It's quite similar to my own, actually. It's like.
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It's like, okay, I'll try this. Okay, I'll try this. And then it's like, wait,
what? Well, try, but also read and
study and listen. I mean, on this browser I have something like
50 tabs open with various different papers I still haven't got around to reading,
but just too much. So, okay,
so tell us. Because, yes, the research
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journey is intense. And then there's. And there's so much of it,
Right. It's not like, oh, there's, you know, one or two papers floating out there
that we can extrapolate from. It's, you know, there are, I think
in PubMed. Last I checked, there were more than
90,000 papers on circadian rhythm slash
regulation. And then the last time I
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checked the papers on quantum biology, you know, they were
much lower, but they're building and building. So
when you started to look at all of this,
which is incredibly overwhelming. So good for you,
what were some of the key insights that you started to have?
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And how did you start to sort of make sense of
this world of mitochondria and light?
And apparently we have little
organisms in our body reading frequency all day long. Like how did you
sort of, how did that kind of. How'd you land the
plane on that? I don't know if I've landed yet, but
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yeah, I was gonna say we're never landing. We're gonna be
circling for decades. Yeah. But you know what's strange?
It's like it just makes sense. It's. For me it just
kind of fits it. It's like, yes, that
simply makes sense that you know, when you're barefoot on the
ground, your, your autonomous nervous system
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resets to, you know, the parasympathetic and, or why
it's so great here. You know, the forest circadian retreat
in the forests. Why? It's just, you come back from a weekend here and you
feel like a different person. You know, is it
the ions and anti of the air? Is it
the green of the green color of
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the foliage? Is it
the infrared reflecting down off the leaves? Is it the
being, you know, lack of electro smog that you have in
a large natural national park? Is it just the fact
you're moving or the fresh air or whatever? I mean there are all sorts of
things that could be, but you can actually sort
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of trace little lines of evidence to all these things.
Some lines are longer, some are less, some are more speculative, some
are more factual, but you can still do it and it just makes sense. So
I think for me, and also the first principles, I'd say, you know, we,
I mean not just Homo sapiens, what is it, 300,000 years homo sapiens, but just
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the whole our ancestry in fact. Then you get, then you get down to things
like how life started on the planet, which is just, you know,
you get into life, the creation of life on planet and you get into
consciousness and that's just really mind blowing. But
let's not go there right now. Anyway, so you
think, you know, it's logical we were wandering around with
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maybe some skins on us, doing
whatever we did, hunting, gathering, reproducing,
maybe starting to make some tools and Stuff outdoors
all year round. The only water we
had to drink was in the natural sources of springs and rivers.
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And the food we had was what grew locally and seasonally.
And we spend a lot of time not eating, we spend a lot of time
moving. We spent a lot of time in the direct sun,
also in the shade. And it just makes
sense. That is how we adapted. That's how our physiology
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has adapted itself to work. So when you take away all these
inputs, then suddenly your physiology doesn't have
that comfortable, comfortable, familiar surrounding
environment that it spent hundreds of thousands and hundreds of thousands, even
millions of years developing around. So I think it just
makes sense from that kind of first principles point of view.
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Yeah, absolutely. And I really relate to that. It's like on the
one hand it's like why didn't. It's like what? And on the other hand it's
like, oh yeah, of course we're supposed to
get natural light. Of course there's a difference between
real light and fake light. Like actually. Yes. Why haven't
we been thinking about that? Of course we wake up at sunrise and
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you know, and went to rest at sunset. Yeah.
So yeah, it just makes sense like that. I mean we are
still have the physiology of cavemen.
You know, we haven't adapted as quickly, that quickly to.
It's been impossible to adapt so quickly to the rate of change
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that has been going on the last, well, definitely the last 300 years. But in
particular the last hundred and fifty and the last
ten, you know, it's just going mad, the exponential
technological advancement. I mean it's wonderful but at the same time it's
almost entirely detrimental to what ourselves
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require and are expected and have adapted to do so. They are
adapting and well, they're reacting to this new environment
in a way that is meant to make, you know, keep you
alive to survive the natural selection.
But it's, it's, it's an uphill. These reactions
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may manifest as what we call
disease. Yeah.
And for people like your clients, you know,
people who are in middle age and work a
traditional career, those careers have
become basically a full time screen job. I mean
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my husband has a job like that and he's, he's on zooms today
from 8 till 6.
You know, he's got a window cracked and he goes out, runs outside every,
every hour. But that's, you know, that's his
life. And it used to be like you, you could still burn
out from stress, but you weren't in front of a
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screen that much. So. And then I want
to get into, I want to get into your, your experiment that you did recently.
But before we get into that. So the blue light, right? So we're in
front of all these screens just by virtue of our
careers. A lot of, for a lot of people. So
just walk, walk us through how you
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recommend that somebody in that situation
makes adjustments and why. Because I, I want this
episode, this episode is to be shared with the men in
your life. That's what this is
for. So I want them to understand, like, okay, what are, what should I be
doing then? Right. And,
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you know, what can I do? We can't go back to living as we did
only, you know, 5,000 years ago. That's
literally impossible in this day and age. So what can we do? And
this, you know, so I'll take you through actually what I do with clients because
that's the easiest way. The Mitre Regen protocol, as I
call it. And so basically we start
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with, we start with four pillars. So one is food composition.
So the
only rule you need to remember about what you eat is that it should be
local and seasonal. That's the easiest rule to remember.
And of course it should be thus. Hopefully, logically,
it's also therefore whole food. Foods that
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grow in the ground or run around on the land, fly in the air or
swim in the water, but not coming out of a factory in a
been. Yeah. So slow, clean, seasonal. And because I'm
Here at the 50th degree north
latitude Czechia, just like most of my clients, you know, Germany,
France, uk, then
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that means in the winter, naturally, basically
eating primarily animal based. And then in
the spring and summer, you're going to be adding in all the stuff that grows
around you. And is it the flower farmers market? That's like. So that's the
food thing. And here's
a quick tip for all you gents, but also the ladies. I must say,
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they tend to actually underestimate
the power of protein even more. But
the first thing to do is a protein challenge. So basically I
tell them to supersize their protein portions in their meals. Eat
it first, chew it slowly, don't watch TV and
scroll on your device while you're eating, and monitor your satiety.
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When you get to 8 out of 10, you stop eating.
And I get messages back because I'm in constant contact with my clients on
WhatsApp. It's like one client called it witchcraft. A lady, by the
way, this is some sort of witchcraft because she suddenly didn't have any, she didn't
want any chocolates she hadn't eaten for, I don't know, five hours or
something. And crazy. Another guy,
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three in the afternoon. So I had breakfast this morning and it's absolutely
weird, I'm still not hungry. He was a
CEO of a bank. So it was like
amazing what happens when you just start to actually give
your cells the substrate that they need
to actually then make energy more efficiently,
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less messily then the second
prong. So look at your diet. I mean, look at not how much
you eat volume, but look at the content of what
you're eating, the composition and relearn your natural hunger
and satiety signals. And generally
that switches within a matter of days once they start. That
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second boot camp, as I call it, is based on
sleep and circadian rhythms. I don't normally
give it the title and the light diet because that can scare people
off. And in general we do the sleep and
circadian rhythms and the light diet I kind of put in
here and there, et cetera. So you get start getting the idea that the
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light we are exposed to has fundamental
physiological or we react fundamentally at the
level of cells and hormones to the
different types of light we expose ourselves to. But circadian
rhythms again, I mean, for the gents and the
ladies, the phases of dark and night,
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sorry, dark and light, absolutely key to
all biological systems
and all the things that go on within them and the things they do
are hooked up to this central clock that is the
main, the main signal is the phase
of light and then dark and then light and then dark. Yes,
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different biological systems do different things at different times, but
that is the, that's the pendulum that just ticks day in, day
out. And yeah, so
there's a sort of education, but I mean, I focus on sleep because that's what
a lot of people suffer from. And when they fix the circadian rhythm, then
suddenly they're sleeping better, not just sleep onset that the sleep
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biologists seem to get so obsessed about. That's important
how quickly you fall asleep, but it's actually what's going on during
the sleep. You know, you've got your architecture, sleep architecture. You want
to have no disruptions. Ideally, yes, there's a certain amount
of length, but you need certain things to happen. Leptin,
reset the glymphatic system, clearing up
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your brain, you know, the brainwash at night
and all these other things. So to do that though, you have to get the
internal cascade of hormones and that sort of constant
interplay of cells and organs in
the right synchronicity with so they work in the right
order and do the right thing at the right time. So that's really key as
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well. And because I primarily my message is
about weight loss, your metabolism is
almost entirely controlled by this circadian rhythm.
And if you're not getting the right quality sleep, then you're going to really
struggle to lose weight long term
for sure. Third boot camp then we go into like
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a bit deeper into fat adaption and fasting. So we talk about the timing of
food. I mean you and I would probably talk about chrono nutrition
actually eating when you're supposed to eat in the day. Depending on the season, you're
ideally going to eat during daylight, not at night,
after dark. But that's pretty hard for most people
who are working. So it's about, you know,
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perhaps narrowing that eating window down to let's say 12 hours or
10 or whatever kind of works for them. But also
starting to exercise what I call the fasting muscle.
So going to 24 hour fast, trying that a few times.
Some people, one recent client said to me, no, I
can't do 24 hours. I've been without food for
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18 hours before. And I got the shakes and felt disinfectant. That's okay, it's cool.
And after a month of being on the, you know, this is. Anyway a month's
gone by then. I think his fat adaption had improved his ability to
switch between burning glucose, burning fat.
And so he did it and it was like, wow, that was
so easy. And now he's gone, he's, he's mad about fasting. It's like for him,
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that is the biggest mind blowing thing that
he's learned from me is that he can actually go two days now
without, oh,
there's someone going down the stairs.
Yeah. So anyway, so he's like absolutely
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off his mind that he can go two days without eating anything at all
and just be extra focused on all the stuff he has to
do. And the final bit is movement. Yes,
movement's important, but it's not about burning calories, it's about everything from, you know,
the piezoelectric effect, about
mitochondrial regeneration, etc,
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etc, so you know, deuterium depletion. So
those are the four pillars and that's how I explain it. But I explained in
the concept of their daily. That's why it's one on one because, you
know, this lady I'm working with,
I'm getting a lot, I'm not sure if it's on the recording, but I'm getting
a lot of banging in my ears
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it's the. So yeah, one lady I'm working with, for her she's
rediscovered her enjoyment of swimming. So she's now going
four times a week to the local swimming pool. Another guy's got his own little
sort of mini home gym and a treadmill. So for him it's
just tweaking the way he does his weights but also how he does his
cardio. Because I'm a big fan of
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Philip Maffatone or Maffatoni. I'm not sure how you pronounce his surname.
American sports scientist and his math method.
So it's different for everybody how you.
In the details but the broad concepts are the same. And then we go
for two months where I'm actually putting on the coach's hat, where
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I'm helping them to learn through their own experience
and build these habits into what I call
systems. So actually they're building a system for
continued success. There's no kind of end
date or goal to achieve specific. Well there is one. There are
a couple but it's more about. It's starting to become
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then standard way of living. Right. And then we might bring in
things like cold thermogenesis and grounding. But I. That's based on the
temperature of the client and how they do.
That's. That's a very thorough and robust approach. I love it.
There was. So there's. There was one. There's one piece that I wanted
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to expand on a little because I do find this really
trips people up. And when I say things like this
people just stare at me like what is. You are
so crazy. You know the idea that circadian rhythm
is connected to our metabolism and
I mean we know it's connected to every biological function but I think
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that that one in particular people are like, what. How
does like circadian rhythm is like when I get jet
lagged how. What does that have to do with my metabolism? Could you
expand on that piece a little bit? I will
try to. And yeah. And the first thing I'd say is that
unless they're paying me, I don't talk about this stuff at all. Not even at
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home because you just get looked at like you're mad
or I'm on a podcast, I'm happy to divulge.
So how does circadian rhythm impact
your metabolism? The broader
picture is I use Swiss railways. So
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it's basically the Swiss railway system is renowned for being on time. I don't know
if it's still true, but it used to be. Or Japanese bullet trains. They run
on they literally to the second on time.
And so there's a central controller
there that is ensuring that all the trains and all the junctions,
all the stations and all the drivers are getting the right information at the right
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time. So, so the trains can go speedily, without delay,
safely along their routes to the destinations.
As soon as that controller starts to
misread his script or press the wrong buttons, then you're going to start
getting accidents on the track, trains are going to get
delayed, et cetera, et cetera. So including the train,
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that is your metabolism, because that is
site that is linked to again the
phases of dark and light and also dark and light, and also
when you eat that time of that moment that you eat during the day,
once, twice, maybe three times during the day, then
that also helps, that's feedback for the circadian system
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about food consumption. So
consistency is one thing and regularity. But
concerning the actual idea of,
well, so one of these trains I talked about is the
metabolism train. And at night,
while a lot of people I think just kind of think sleep is just something
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you do, you switch off and then in the morning you switch on again and
nothing's happened. And if you're lucky, you feel refreshed.
Actually I provocatively say
you actually do more in your sleep than you do during the day. In the
day your body's just keeping you alive, but at
night it's doing everything that helps you stay alive the next
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day, fixing all the damage. I use the supermarket as an
allergy, the 24 hour supermarket that during the day there's no time to
clean up all the stocks coming off the shelves, people are buying, they are
dropping stuff, making a mess, etc. But at night the supermarket
closes, the cleaning crew comes out and they clean up the stock,
they restock the shelves, etc. If it didn't happen that,
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if that didn't happen or it wasn't long enough, or it wasn't done good enough
quality, then the next day when the supermarket opens, there won't be enough
supplies, there'll still be a mess, etc. So
I don't get, don't often have to go
so deep down into details like you know, leptin signaling
and being
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in a certain phase of sleep, you know, certain period after you've gone to
sleep, which is actually not so much after you go to sleep. It's like since
you saw the first light that previous morning, that then
this sort of whole leptin signaling, the main, I call
him the main or it the chief
accountant, inventory Stock taking, that takes place at night. But if
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you're not getting to bed
at a certain time, after you've got up and seen the morning light
in a certain stage of sleep, then that inventory won't take place. And your
body simply says, your body gives the brain, or brain gives the
message. Okay, tomorrow, there's scarcity.
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There's scarcity in the environment. Everything we
consume, we're going to have to store. That's the default,
default mode that your
metabolism is in store because there isn't enough. But if the brain
is getting the signal inventory and can take stock
of what the food environment's like, how much fat there is
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in the body, et cetera, et cetera, then the brain gives permission.
Yep, tomorrow you don't have to store. You can burn and
that will affect your appetite as well as how you
actually use what you're taking in. That was a long answer. Sorry.
No, I love it. That's great. This is what we're here
for, is to, to hear how this works.
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And I think metaphors are the perfect way to do it
because I feel like once we can wrap our minds around
it, then what you were saying about creating those systems and
creating a relationship with food and
light that's different from the one we had before, it becomes more possible
because the intellectual part of us does
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want to be satisfied. I always say my, my intellect needs
like a bone to chew on so I can go and change my habits
without it interfering too much.
Doubtless you've heard the phrase, when you know better, you do better.
Yeah. And to have enough to understand why.
And because at the end of the day that changing our
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light is not that hard. I mean, when
you think about all the other things people think they have to do to lose
weight, you know,
mitigating bright light at night and going outside in the morning is
like actually just thinking about like, compared to
gastric bypass surgery or liposuction or
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marathons or whatever people think they have to do.
Yeah, it's actually pretty straightforward.
And sometimes I think that's the issue. Like it's too simple, but like, no, it
should be more like, should be more complicated, but
not really. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
I have nothing to say. Well, it can be complicated because right
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now, you know, it's dark at 5:30 in the evening and
only gets light at 7 or something in the morning over here. So.
So the social clock, unfortunately is the same all year round. The solar
clock changes as we progress through the
seasons. And that has to, you know, you have to sort of think about that
a little bit. So. And it is quite. I mean, I struggle with it
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myself a little bit. What to do in the morning. I get up at 6,
make my son breakfast and it's dark. So what am I gonna do about
my light environment? So what do you do?
Well, currently. Well, last year, last winter I was
being very, very
diligent about wearing my blue blockers and
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using just this, for instance, this little beacon here. It's a no blue
beacon from your friends.
Friends at block blue light. But it's really handy this
and sort of not quite
finding my way in the dark but under these dim circles and then once the
sun comes up, getting outside
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this winter, I'm not being as consistent or diligent, I have to say.
So I'm using one of those bulbs that emits at least a full
spectrum of visible light to kind of
replicate that light. Although I'm fully aware that
it's maybe not even a tenth as strong as
the sun's daylight, so it
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won't have the same effect. But yeah,
I know of a great panel that I think you've had
him, Ken Seeder on the podcast. Yeah. So his
Solite photonutrition panel, I'm a big
fan because it's 13,000 lux,
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powerful, full range, not just visible
balanced visible light, but also into the near infrared.
So, you know, almost as close to as about as close
to the sun as you can get from a tech device perhaps.
And then you can switch it into a red and infrared lamp
panel for therapy later
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on. So I want to get myself one of them, but I haven't got around
to it. That would be the perfect for winter. That'd be perfect. Yeah,
those are great. And yeah, Ken Seder's lights are
great. It's a non profit organization and
he worked alongside John Ott back in the day. So
yeah, great product. I'm happy to support, support him. And, and I agree and
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I love you explaining that because yes, you know, we, we, we have life,
we, our children go to school, we. There are certain things that,
I mean, I know people who have opted out completely and, and
run their own schedules and I have deep respect for that. But
not all of us have chosen to do that. But what I'm hearing you
say is that there are ways to make choices that are at least
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keeping in mind the circadian aspects.
And so even if we can't at this
moment rearrange our schedule, we can not
look at our phone first, we can at least have a full spectrum bulb or
something. Approximating. Approximating
what we could be getting outside and.
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Yeah, and I think it's. I really do encourage people to, you know, work with
a practitioner who understands this because. Cause there are nuances to it
and it's just so important. So that's the message. It
matters. It doesn't have to be perfect, and
it could be the best you can do. We don't have any purity
(44:21):
tests here. Whatever. Every small step counts.
Cracking your car window on the morning drive.
Putting on the blue blockers like you're wearing when you watch TV at
night. Like all these little things. All right, cool.
So thank you so much for that. I think you have given, like, a really
(44:42):
solid overview. I hope that all of the
husbands and boyfriends who are. And dads who are having this episode
shared with them feel seen. Okay.
You're. It's, you know, life is life and things happen.
So if you're not feeling or looking how you'd like to
be, there's lots of, lots of possibilities in the world
(45:06):
to do things differently and feel good.
And Rodrick's a great guide for that.
So. Okay, so tell me, you've been
waiting, haven't you? Yeah, I've been waiting. I'm like, okay, I've got to
cover them. We got to do the foundational pieces.
So you're just casually mentioning that you had your
(45:28):
biophoton emissions measured. Yeah. I
didn't know you could do that. Yeah, well, you can't just do it anywhere. I
was gonna say, what's going on in Prague?
Well, yeah, so
there I was watching a lecture in the Light
right now, the Guy Foundation. If you know anybody who wants to get into
(45:50):
this, it's. Maybe you're like
several levels advanced. Well, doesn't matter. Guy Foundation. The Guy
foundation is amazing. That. That is deep science, friends. So if.
If that's what you need, go there. If you need the deep science, go to
see. Go see the Guy Foundation. But, you know, you had
Bob Fosbury on. On recently. I just listened to his.
(46:12):
To the. You know, he's. I could listen to him hundreds of times. There's always
something you. But anyway, he was giving a lecture in the spring sort of
autumn series currently ongoing, on Light.
And introducing the talk was this
Czech researcher scientist called Dr.
Michael Tiffre. And I thought, bloody hell, he's here in Prague.
(46:34):
I should just reach out and contact him. And in that quantum
way, as it happened, well, I reached out to him on LinkedIn. Just say, hello,
are we connected, etc. And as it happened,
a Few weeks later, the Czech Academy of Sciences had its week
of open house for the Czech Academy of Sciences,
various locations. And the
(46:56):
Institute of Photonics and electronics, where Dr.
Sifra has his lab, had
also excursions and lectures there. So I
signed up free of charge. It was great. Let him know that I was coming,
that I'd say hello, you know, poor guy. And. Yeah, and so
I went to see, you know, what was put on for the public and I
(47:17):
knocked on his door and we got talking and I said, yeah, be really
cool actually, because his research is around
ultra weak photon emissions. That means the light that is
created in your body all the time,
what it's for, how to measure it, what it's good for, etc. And
trying to understand it. So that is a large part of his work. The rest
(47:39):
of his lab also is looking at how to use microwave
EMF to modulate. They're looking
particularly at microtube tubules in the cells. So that's very
interesting too. But anyway, he's
real expert on
ultra weak photonic emissions. Your own
(48:00):
biophotons. Right. So for people just joining
the party, our body actually emits light.
So that does tie back into how light is so important. I mean, we are.
It has been shown with. You can't see it with the naked eye, but
it has been shown that we are giving off
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what is called ultra weak biophoton emissions. And
so this guy has a lab where he studies those. Exactly.
And yeah, and he's done some interesting papers and posters and research on the topic.
And I said, it'd be really cool, you know, at some point if I, if
I would be able to like measure my own biophotons. So he
said, well, yeah, okay, let's. Let's go and do it. So
(48:44):
I went into this. Yeah, it's absolutely cool. The guy is really nice as well.
So. Yeah, and
one of his research team took me into this dark room.
There was a big black box with a cuff, a sleeve,
black sleeve. She said, you know, put your hand in there. Then there's a
sensor, there's a place to rest your hand. And. Yeah, and so
(49:06):
they switched it on. And on the laptop next to me in some software, there
was literally this graph that was demonstrating how many
photons per second was coming off the skin of my hand.
It was about 30 to 40 photons per second. Wow,
it was so cool. That's so cool. We are
so cool. Humans are so amazing. Like what?
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Well, I don't think it's just humans. I mean, mammals at Least do the same,
I'm sure. Biology in general, living
systems. So, so what are they
studying in terms of biophotons and do they have any
theories? Have they. You know, are there ranges
where they, like, oh, you have, you have lots of biophotons
(49:52):
emitting or less. Right. It's, it's. I don't think,
you know, the various work or the
labs around the world that are looking at this have got
as far as that. But Michal did say that
he's a few months away from developing a product where it
could be in a clinical setting at least, used to measure
(50:14):
biophotons. And because there's a correlation between the
amount of photons being released and
oxidative stress that it could be,
at least it would be one way of gathering data
to then see. Can measuring your biophotons
(50:35):
tell you anything about the level of oxidative stress
in the subject by way of explanation?
It's generally thought that the more photon emissions
that are cap. More photons you're emitting, the higher the
oxidative stress at that point in time,
at least. Because, of course, oxidative stress is present all the time and
(50:58):
it goes up and down. So potentially, and
I'm working with a longevity clinic here in Prague that,
so we'll be talking about this soon, is, you know, how could
this possibly be used as another advanced,
another advanced way of, you know, potentially
measuring via the chronic or the
(51:21):
oxidative stress in someone their biological
age as well? Because there are lots of different ohmics
and telomeres and that sort of thing. Perhaps measuring
your biophotonic emissions would have something would be
able to tell us something about that. So, you know, maybe Michael would
be something we could have on your, on your, on your podcast, actually. Yeah, no,
(51:43):
I'd love to. I was going to say, I got his contact info. Yeah.
Because. Yeah, the way I've heard it described is that as we
age, our cells leak light at a
higher rate and when we're young and healthy, we keep
it more, keep it inside of us and it's a little
tighter. Is that related? That's a very useful
(52:05):
shortcut for people who don't know about
what's going on at this level. Because I would say from
what I know, that is essentially true, but we're going back to the
mitochondria. That's why we start to get fat and irritable, sorry,
having cognitive decline and autoimmune and
cosmetic skin rashes and this sort of thing as we get older, because
(52:29):
more and more of the mitochondria in our cells are starting to
function less efficiently. And when they start to function as efficiently because they're
somehow damaged or the electron transport plane is blocked, then you get all
these electrons spinning, falling off and
reacting. Because oxygen is highly reactive. You know, if you've set fire to something with,
with a match, you know, oxygen is reactive, that is starting
(52:51):
to react with the molecules and proteins
and things that are around in the cell and in the mitochondria itself. So
there's. And this of course, damages the mitochondria and the cell and all the other
organelles and things inside the cell, which creates a chain reaction of more
and more of this happening, like fireworks. You can imagine it. So the more of
these start to do this, then you can reach a
(53:13):
threshold within the cell where the cell will actually then collapse. The
cell membrane will collapse and it'll spill out and start it all over again somewhere
else. And therefore it's like an avalanche of this oxidative
stress, as it's called. This. This.
Yeah, the oxidize oxidation of molecules in the cell.
And at some point, of course, cells make up tissues,
(53:35):
tissues make up organs, so it'll start affecting
the organs in which this is going on. So whether it could be a pancreas,
be it could a kidney, a brain, heart, et cetera.
So yes, so as we age, this happens naturally at a certain
speed. But as we've discussed, the
modern lifestyle actually has so many insults to our cellular
(53:57):
biology that actually we are. Now we talk about the
pandemic of obesity, of heart disease, etc. It's a pandemic of
accelerated aging simply. And it's, you know, you can see
this now that people are being diagnosed with cancers, unfortunately, at a younger
age, with all sorts of these chronic diseases
of lifestyle at younger and
(54:18):
ages, simply the way the rate that humans are
aging is accelerating. So instead of getting it at 60 or 70,
you're getting at 40 or 50, et cetera, or even younger.
And as this cellular, basically
fireworks build up inside you. One of
the ways we make this light is
(54:42):
when this oxidation process happens, you excite the electron into
a higher energy state and when it comes back to the lower energy
state, it releases a photon. So that's how they're made.
Most of them are absorbed within the body. But of course, if you're measuring the
skin, then you've got a chance of actually picking them up on a
specific special
(55:04):
thing, measuring device. But I don't know anything about the
engineering behind this, but which is What I did.
So that was a long answer. But yes, as we age, our
cells start to get less functional as well,
producing more, more light.
Incredible. Yeah, it's going to be, I think, very
(55:28):
interesting as our capacity to measure that
increases and understand the links between,
between all of this. That's, that's a practical,
real world use. But whatever, you know, for me the intellectual
challenge is not for me but for others to do. But I want to
(55:48):
understand it, thanks to their work, is what
is going on? Why are we producing this light? You know, what is it doing?
And you can hypothesize that because
we know that there are very many
molecules in our body that react to different spectra of light.
(56:08):
Then is this light
signaling to these other molecules in the near vicinity
at certain frequencies of light to do things? Is this
actually. The micro tubules actually
can channel the light so from one part of the cell to the other, from
one part of the cell to the other to the next cell through the body.
(56:30):
So it's doing something. It's not just there by accident.
So that's what I would really like to know, but hopefully I'll live
for this science to have been,
what's the word? Diligently and rigorously studied, maybe.
Yes, well, I think it's happening. I mean, I'm
(56:52):
been getting emails and finding new quantum biology
labs popping up all over the place. And this
lab, it probably doesn't use the term quantum biology, but that is what
they're doing. And I think that
investors are starting to see the potential in it
for technological innovations and
(57:17):
healing devices and so forth. So I have, I feel pretty
good, we're going to learn some really cool stuff in the next decade.
Yeah, yeah. And just by meeting
Michal, apart from measuring my photons, you know, he's just based on
a post I was doing about this experience, he sent me about eight or nine
really interesting papers to read about it. So, you know, and
(57:39):
then, you know, his lab runs monthly, I think,
lecture with other researchers in different parts of the world. So I've just, I'm
halfway through this amazing lecture by this, I can't remember his name.
I'm very sorry, sorry, sorry, sir, from Canada,
who's now research, you know, the first 20 minutes is all about,
you know, the quantum supposed and
(58:03):
already elicited discovered
quantum effects, you know, in biological systems. So you know, this
quantum effect of how, you know, elect light tunnels
within the, the, the, I can't
really call it now, but anyway, the leaf of a plant before it finds, you
know, that the to then attach to a
(58:24):
chloroplast. I don't know much about plants, but
anyway, so that. That seems to be. To demonstrate quantum
effects in that. It's just. It's
wonderful. Beautiful. That's amazing. Yeah, I'd love.
We'll track down that. We'll track down that video and put it in the
show notes because that sounds really cool.
(58:48):
Yeah, it is. We've reached a point, it
feels like, where we have just started to develop the
technology to measure these things. So it could have been
said theoretically, of course, there are quantum effects
running living organisms, running living systems. But
now we can actually. I mean, to my. What. From
(59:10):
what I understand, we can actually see it. It's been imaged
and it's. There is imaging of quantum tunneling that I
think was around 2019 or something. I don't know
if it was in a leaf, but the actual act of it. Okay,
I don't know about that. I thought the problem with quantum
(59:30):
effects is that the. The observer is part of the
quantum universe. So the observer impacts and
influences the thing that he's trying or she's trying to measure. So that's
a slight problem. Yeah, I don't really know how
we get around that, because the quantum universe seems to know. Even if
it's just a machine and there is no consciousness around, it still
(59:53):
knows it's getting measured, doesn't it?
Yeah, exactly. That's part of the problem. But. Yeah, well, Michal
himself, you know, the thing I used was quite an expensive bit
of kit, but he said there's another piece of
technology that they use for. To measure actually the
whole body. You have to sit there for five hours. But I've seen
(01:00:15):
images of it, and this is
even more expensive and complicated technology, but it exists.
If you need someone to sit there for five hours and measure photons,
I will do it. I'll be your guinea pig. You know, happy to. So.
Oh, that'd be great. Oh, I'm very excited to
know that we've got technology where we can start
(01:00:39):
gathering a lot of biophoton emission data.
So fun. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I should. I'll definitely
tell him, you know, about today's podcast and I'll
ask him if I can pass on his contact to you because he's. He would
be an interesting person to talk. Yeah, I'd
(01:00:59):
love to talk about him. What. Where the technology and
level of understanding is today. Yes.
Yeah. No, this has been so super fun. Is there anything you'd like to
add, Roderick, or any. Any last thoughts? We've
covered a lot of ground today. I feel like.
(01:01:20):
Well, what would I add? I mean, to the.
The male partners of your female audience, but also to the ladies who
are watching and to the gentlemen who are watching, I would say
that you don't have to understand all this in great detail.
You do need to have an interest a
little bit to a certain degree, to be open and receptive to
(01:01:43):
the things that, you know, you hear Meredith's
guests talking about week in, week out, because
what we have been, and I was for almost my entire life, you
know, trained to think that it's all about calories in, calories out,
move more, eat less. Whether it be weight loss or health or whatever it
(01:02:06):
might be you're striving to achieve in your health. It's not the whole
picture, and it's only when you actually change your perspective.
We're not steam engines. We have these trillions of
little things in us that actually
are far more complex and sophisticated than any kind of steam engine,
(01:02:27):
and they require certain things. And then when you start to. But again, the things
you do are actually quite reasonable. You know, it's getting out in the
morning sun, it's making sure you're getting some sunlight during
the day. It's about keeping a
steady bedtime, a consistent bedtime.
It's about, you know, making sure it's pitch black in your eye. They're not
(01:02:49):
crazy, crazy things. While they may well
be having quantum effects within you, you don't have to understand them
and you will see the difference. And, yeah,
so it's not too late. Never too late
to start. I love that
it is never too late and it makes a difference for most
(01:03:13):
people quite quickly. So thank you so much,
Roderick. And how can, how can people find
you? So, yeah, I post
pretty much daily on LinkedIn.
I spend a lot of time preparing posts and it's. Yeah, but I just
really enjoy it and I'm always learning new, fascinating stuff. I just feel I have
(01:03:34):
to share. And it's difficult for my audience because it's not always about what they
want, you know, losing fat or having more energy.
So that's my challenge. I have a lot of
nerds on. LinkedIn who love reading all your random stuff.
Yeah, well. Yeah, well,
yeah. Roderick Lambert on LinkedIn. I have a
(01:03:57):
links page, midlifemetabolichealth.com where they have
got a bunch of free resources you can get or sign up. There's
even a slightly oddball health quiz you might want to
try, see where you're at. It doesn't ask you most of the questions there.
You won't be asked at your GP or your doctor.
(01:04:18):
And I'm on Facebook and Instagram as well. Midlife Metabolic
Health. Roderick Lambert as well. And otherwise, you can
DM me through any of these platforms and I'll be very happy to have
a chat with you about anything at all, actually.
Fantastic. Well, thank you so much for coming on.
(01:04:39):
I very much enjoy your posts on LinkedIn, so thank you
for taking the time to do that and reading all this research and then
being able to talk about it in a way that those of us
who majored in English can understand.
If it's any consolation, I have a bachelor's degree in
music, so. And if I can understand it,
(01:05:03):
then anybody else can. Right? Yes. And that's.
And that's a great message. You know, this stuff is,
you know, getting right down into the weeds
can be a bit much, but there are some great takeaways that anybody can
understand if they choose to pay a little bit of
attention and listen to people like Roderick. All right, thank
(01:05:25):
you so much. We'll do it again. Thank you, Meredith. Yep.
Take care. Bye. Bye.
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