160: Why Morning Sunlight Exposure Holds the Key to Resetting Your Circadian Rhythm with Valerie Giangrande

📺 Watch the Video on Spotify, YouTube & Rumble

Join our FREE Community

“Our light is a nutrient and we need to really be careful about, like, really think about what kind of light we're exposed to throughout the day,” says Dr. Valerie Giangrande, a traditionally trained optometrist turned quantum health educator, who returns to the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to illuminate just how profoundly light—or the lack thereof—shapes our overall health.

When her young son was struck with neurological symptoms and traditional medicine’s quick fixes left her cold, Dr. Valerie Giangrande set out on a personal and professional journey that led her to quantum biology. She shares how unraveling the intricate connection between sunlight, circadian rhythms, and ocular health transformed her approach to medicine and her own wellbeing. In a world awash with artificial light and rampant blue-light exposure, she reveals why most of us are suffering from a “21st century scurvy”—deficient in the infrared sunlight our mitochondria desperately need.

In this episode, Dr. Valerie Giangrande demystifies the science of light’s impact on hormones, metabolism, mood, and even blood sugar—explaining why grabbing your phone before bed may sabotage your health as much as a late-night junk food binge. She shares why red light therapy is trending, how our eyes act as master regulators for every system in the body, and what you can do, simply and practically, to harness nature’s most powerful medicine.

Tune in for a mind-expanding conversation about why “just getting outside” isn’t just a wellness cliché—it's quantum medicine for the modern world.

5 Key Takeaways

1. Morning sunlight is a game changer—get outside first thing each day, let natural light hit your eyes, and reset your body's master clock for optimal health.
2. Protect your nights like your nutrition—ditch overhead LEDs, install circadian-friendly bulbs, and put on orange blue-blocker glasses after sunset to keep your hormones and sleep on track.
3. Every moment of light matters—skip artificial blue light at night, including phones and screens, to prevent unwanted cortisol spikes and blood sugar surges.
4. Don’t underestimate your environment—just stepping outside, especially in green spaces, floods your system with healing infrared light and supports cellular hydration.
5. The eyes are a window to your whole body—notice eye symptoms, educate yourself, and make light exposure a non-negotiable foundation of true wellness.

Memorable Quotes

"I just want to share that because I think it's one of the most important things that changed my life. The education piece of adding this extra layer of how light controls the entire body through our eyes, especially, is really important."

"When we're exposed to blue light out in the sun, we're getting a full spectrum signal—red and infrared, which are anti-inflammatory, balance the effects of blue light. Everything has a rhythm, and we need the sunlight to tell us what to do and when to do it. At night, it's all artificial; it's not our biology to release all these hormones at night."

"Our light is a nutrient, and we need to really think about what kind of light we're exposed to throughout the day. Why would we be able to live away from nature? Every other creature needs to be outdoors under the sun and with the earth, and we're the only ones who try...

Episode Transcript

(06:15):
Doctor Valerie Giangrande, welcome back to the Quantum
Biology Collective podcast. Thank you, Meredith. I'm so excited
to be here. Oh, it's so good to have you again. Okay, so. So we
had, like, a roaring Q and A session in the
last live cohort of the certification of the applied
quantum biology certification. And I was like, okay, we gotta get Valerie back on the

(06:37):
pod. But before we get into all the new stuff that
you're, you know, thinking about and looking at, could you just
sort of lay out for us how a very traditionally
trained medical practitioner
ended up in this crazy world of
fringe science? Absolutely. Yeah.

(07:00):
It's. It started when I started when I had my son, you
know, when I had kids and my son had health issues and they were
neurological issues when he was 4 years old. He is now 17.
Doesn't even realize that he had these issues, actually. But anyway, he had these
issues that were going on. I remember going to the pediatrician and they just said,
here, give him a medication. And I didn't like that option. Ended up going, kind

(07:23):
of looking at holistic stuff. Tried to, you know, did all the natural things, went
to a functional medicine practitioner, did all the things. And things were. Got
so much better with all the changes that we had to make. Diet, nutrition
supplements, all of those things. Toxins and, you know, but it. But then I
started. It was such a stressful time for me that I ended up getting a
lot of different symptoms. I had, like, fibromyalgia and just a lot of different things

(07:44):
that I wanted help with. So then I went to a doctor for functional medicine,
doctor as well. And one of the first things he said to me was, you
need more sun. You need to get more sun. And I just. It,
you know, took me back. I thought he was joking. And, you know, just. I
know I've told this story many times, but I just. I was so conditioned. Now
I got some when I was a kid, when I was a teenager. But, you

(08:05):
know, ever since my early 20s and now 50, like I have been,
I was always blocking the sun. I never got the sun. Even on a cloudy
rainy day. I was always blocking it because. Because I thought I needed to. And
it was so sensitive. And he pointed me to the
research and to people who are in the space. And
it just changed my life immediately. I could not believe all of the

(08:26):
information and it's there, and it changed everything. So I made those changes in my
own life. And when I say those changes, I mean, I go out in
the morning at morning sun. I just get more Exposure. I did it safely
and it changed everything. And I, you know, change the habits of my
family. And then I started to tell patients, I just educate so much because I
think this, this extra layer of how much light controls the

(08:48):
entire body is such an important conversation to have that we don't know about. And
you see a lot of different things that are going on in the eyes and
our health that can be traced back to, to poor light or
poor lighting environments. It's really interesting. So when you, When I
educate patients, there's. It resonates with many, many people. And I
see year after year, if they are, are listening, there are so many improvements that

(09:09):
they feel, systemically they feel and just, it just makes a huge
difference. So I think the education piece of adding this extra
layer of how light controls the entire body through our eyes especially,
is really important. I just want to share that because I think it's one of
the most important things that changed my life. And I think it's really valid.
The research is very valid and it makes a big difference.

(09:32):
Yes. And once you start looking into it, the
research is so extensive, going back many
decades, in some cases even longer,
it really, I think that's why so many of us felt
so. Almost like we had to take on
a promotional role in this. Because I think so we

(09:55):
often think, well, once the research is clear, things will just change.
And when you look at circadian rhythm and light, it's like
that is not true. Like, the research has been there definitively
since at least the 1980s. And then obviously, you know, the importance
of sunlight is an ancient, an ancient idea.

(10:18):
And yet it didn't shift. It didn't shift. And even
now it's just starting to, like, you might be the only person
in a patient's life who's giving them this
information. I do find it interesting that we're seeing this
explosion of red light therapy. Right. Even in the eyes. There's a ton of research
on red light therapy. But if you look at it, the reason why it works

(10:39):
is because that's what the sun gives us, especially in the morning. That morning sunshine
that most of us aren't getting is red light therapy. And it does do so
much. And I think that's so important. It's just so funny that even people who
don't know this are promoting or talking about all this research about red light. Well,
where do you think that comes from? The sun comes from all the stuff that
we are depleted. And because we don't have that when we're indoors. So it's

(11:02):
just so interesting. So I think there are some shifts, but not enough. Not enough
at this point at all. Not yet. Yeah. Yeah. And
the vision of the Institute of Applied Quantum
Biology is that everyone in the world has access to at least one person
who can teach them this, because that's all it takes.

(11:22):
And you're that person for so many of your patients. And so, yeah, it is
really interesting because there's more and more research coming out showing how effective red light
therapy is. But one of the reasons is because it's
filling us up with all the infrared light that we're totally deficient
in because we don't go outside. Don't go
outside. And because our indoor lighting is just so

(11:44):
wrong. It's just not normal. Right. I love all the
research from Scott Dimmerman and infrared and how it penetrates our
eyelids and gets in there. And you know, how important that is and how we're
just lacking so much of that, that it's just such an interesting image. Important
piece that we really need to understand that just getting outside, we're getting those
signals. Right. Okay, so let's talk

(12:05):
about what's happening. You've mentioned light
and going into our bodies,
but particularly our eyes, is
controlling a lot of things, if not everything. So what's going on there?
Yeah. So we have blue receptors in our
eyes that we have. I mean, we have cells that see the color blue, and

(12:26):
then we have cells that are reading the color blue sky,
basically, and it's reading the amount of blue that we're exposed to. And then it's
sending those actual timing signals. Blue turns into light,
turns into a timing signal, and it gets sent right to the suprachiasmatic
nucleus, which is a master clock that we have right behind our eyes
in the brain. And that clock, when it's wired by

(12:48):
this blue light, and every time it gets a signal of blue, depending on what
time of day it is, it's going to send signals to the entire body. It's
turning on everything in the body. It's turning on our hormones, our
metabolism. It's just sending messages. Every single cell in our body has a
clock gene. And we need to know what time to do things. And when we
get that blue, it's telling us exactly what time to do it. And

(13:09):
the strongest signal does come from the eyes. And the way it works,
I mean, it makes sense. When the sky, when the sun is rising, there's a
small amount of blue and there's this beautiful red, and there's infrared and all these
signals that tell us it's morning. And then as that sun is rising, that blue
signal is getting stronger. So it's just going to keep resetting our body like a
clock. So through our eyes and there's all the other layers that come with it

(13:29):
that's very balanced and does different things throughout the day. So if
we are never getting those signals through our eyes, our brain really doesn't know what
time it is because we're spending so much time indoors. And
unfortunately, indoors, we don't really have exposure to
incandescent bulbs anymore, which used to be hot, used to have all the
infrared, and kind of more of a gentle signal that was

(13:51):
more like sunrise and sunset. But now everything is energy efficient. So they
took out the heat portion and now we're exposed to LED lights. And if we
look at those LED lights, there's this blue spike for
the most part. And that blue spike is the same color temperature at 12 o'
clock in the afternoon. So we wake up in the morning, we're not getting the
sun signals. We're just getting these signals that say, our brain says, all right, I

(14:12):
guess it's 12 o' clock in the afternoon. So here's this shot of cortisol.
Like, it just, it doesn't make sense. We're getting different levels of hormones that we
would get, as opposed to the gradual increase that we need from the
sunlight. And then we're lacking infrared, so we're not getting any of those balancing
healing wavelengths, red and infrared light. The reason why it is so important is
because it powers up the energy cells that we have in our body, our

(14:33):
mitochondria, which basically control the health of the entire body. But in
the eyes, there's such a dense number of mitochondria because we can
imagine how much light we're constantly processing. And red and infrared
light help power that up. So we need those signals, especially first thing in the
morning, to help give us that energy in addition to the blue.
So all of those signals are, again, keep controlling our body. At the end of

(14:55):
the day, we're not supposed to have any blue. We're not supposed to see any
of that light because it's dark outside. But when we're indoors, we're still getting those
signals. It is going to disrupt our clocks as well. And then we have the
ultraviolet piece, which I can go into as well, that also gets layered in throughout
the day, which is also something that is an important piece to
our biology. And while there are safe ways to get those

(15:16):
signals at different times of day to help Also trigger different
mechanisms in the body having to do with our hormones and our mood
centers, our sleep patterns. Melatonin. The eyes
make retinal dopamine when we're exposed to morning signals. And we
actually need retinal dopamine to help us see better during the day. It actually
helps the contrast sensitivity. It's a whole cycle that we need. And then at

(15:38):
night, we think of melatonin that gets made in the body
through darkness based on light. But there's also retinal melatonin that
also helps protect and heal and regenerate our eyes while we're
sleeping. So light plays such a huge role. Again, when we're not getting those signals,
we're really not. Those patterns aren't being formed. And you can get a lot of
eye issues. But more than that, you can get a lot of downstream issues when

(15:59):
we're getting those wrong signals.
Yeah. Wow. It's so.
It's so interesting to me because. Yeah. What
you're saying, and the way that I've heard
it put is that the eye is a
circadian organ. Yes. Right.

(16:23):
So. And it's. It just. There's so much.
I don't know, I'm just a little. I always get a little
kind of shocked when someone explains it so thoroughly because it's like there
is so much going on that
starts in our eyes. Yes. And I just don't think about
it. And I know I was concentrating on the blue light signals, those

(16:45):
melanopsin signals. But there are other receptors also that also help us
locally local change the clocks in our eye and also help with other. Other
rhythms in the body as well. So it's. Melanopsin is the main clock
setter. But there's also things like neuropsyn, which they found in the eyes as well,
which we need. And neuropsyn is actually a UVA receptor. It
also. It collects violet and uva. So right at

(17:07):
that border of UVA and violet. And that's also a signal that we need and
we have it in our. So what's the significance of the. Of
the fact that we now know there are neuropsychin receptors in
our eyes? How does that change how we understand what's going
on? Yeah. So there's a couple of things. The research shows with
neuropsyn that it's responsible for our local

(17:29):
circadian rhythm in the eye. Again, it does a lot of the. Without
those signals, without the violin and the uva, the
local circadian rhythm. So again, the retinal dopamine the retinal melatonin. Some of that wouldn't
be credit. It turns on some clock genes locally. It also helps us with nitric
oxide. You know, we're getting the UVA signals, we're getting nitric oxide,
which is helping us have more nutrients. So I'm going to backtrack. Whenever

(17:52):
we're exposed to UVA in our skin and in our eyes, our blood
vessels will dilate and start releasing nitric oxide. And that's because
our red blood cells want to collect that UV and it helps increase
nutrients, nutrients
delivery. So this is a good thing. We
like that the sun increases nitric. Oxide, increases

(18:14):
nitric oxide. It also is going to help up regulate a lot of these neurotransmitters.
We have a lot of amino acids in our, in our eyes. And some of
the aromatic amino acids, meaning amino acids that collect ultraviolet
light can be triggered and optimized like serotonin and
dopamine and all the hormones that we think of when we think of our mood.
And it also helps link to something called POM C in our brain, which is

(18:35):
just another link to our metabolism.
There's a big chemical in our brain that links uva helps link
that through our eyes to our skin. And when we get those signals through
our eyes to the brain, we, we're optimizing our metabolism,
we're making endorphins, we're getting happy. We're doing a lot of different things, A lot
of different chemicals are being made because of those signals through our eyes. And again,

(18:57):
we're not staring at the sun, we're not going out and staring at uv. But
those UVA signals happen about an hour after sunrise, depending on where you
live. And just being outside at that time, along with the stronger blue
signals, those are what's going to optimize our eyes even more, optimize the body
through our eyes. So we do want to be mindful of getting outside, especially in
the morning. Those morning signals are, are so important because they do so many things

(19:20):
to jumpstart the day. Our metabolism, our mood, our hormones,
links with our digestion, our hor, you know, everything again is linked. And if
we're consistently missing that morning signals, those morning signals, we're actually
missing so many important things. And we want to make sure that those hormones
are, those neurotransmitters are regulated like serotonin,
for example. We want to make sure that serotonin is optimized during the day. That's

(19:43):
going to give us a lot of that energy. But at the end of the
day when it's dark. So serotonin is the precursor for
melatonin and we need a lot of that serotonin in order
for the body to transfer to melatonin when it's dark. So it has to be
very dark at night. So I think those cycles of very bright
morning or daytime sunlight, combined with

(20:04):
the night darkness, those two signals are super important.
And it all happens again through our eyes, also through our skin. But our eyes
are going to be the strongest signal for the brain.
Wow. And to what extent was
this covered in your traditional training?
I'm sorry, I.

(20:27):
That's. That's it. Yeah. I don't remember any. I don't remember any of
it. And I don't know. Now, that being said, I. I mean, I've
been in practice now 23 years or so, so I don't know.
I will say, though, there is a new graduate that's working with us
and she does know about melanopsin. She knows about circadian rhythm and she.
They are teaching it now. I don't know what the extent is. I

(20:50):
am hoping that at least they're telling people to get outside in the morning, you
know, with. With naked eyes and to make sure I have darkness at night. I
don't know if that's the extent of it. I would like. I actually should have
found that out, but I know they are teaching that a little bit now, but
when I was in school, they didn't. I don't remember. Unless my memory. I don't
remember any of that.

(21:10):
Yes. And I mean, it. It's sort of like nutrition
and for. For. In medical school, it's like they cover
it very briefly and then move on.
And so even, you know, of course you're not going to remember it because it
wasn't a focal point at all.
And so is it. And I just like, you know, trying to get a sense,

(21:33):
like your sense of things. I don't expect you to know, like, definitively,
but, you know, this idea, like the melanopsin receptors, the
neuropsyn receptors, there's just more and more research showing how important
our eyes are and what we expose our eyes to make such
a difference. Is that getting translated, like
at conferences, or is it. You know,

(21:57):
I know a lot of people think there's. There's like a pipeline
of information and all of the doctors have access
to it, and when something new comes, they just turn the tap on and get
the new information. And it doesn't work like that. Like things are sort of
scattered. But I Feel like red light therapy is being.
Is being talked about a lot. Okay. The FDA is coming, you know, has come

(22:20):
up with a new red light device for macular degeneration that I think. I'm not
sure if it's being used in practice yet. But red light therapy is in conferences
a lot. I don't know. I haven't seen any.
I haven't. No. I don't know. There might be a few, but
I don't really know. When I sign up for my continuing
education courses, none of it is really circadian rhythm that I can think

(22:43):
of offhand. There are a lot of holistic doctors talking about
nutrition and vitamins and supplements and things like that. And that's been
a big thing. People talk about lifestyle,
but not necessarily light. This light piece is, again, a
really important piece. I mean, I have a lot of. Even just in general, even
diabetic patients, whenever they come in, and I always say, did your doctor tell you

(23:05):
about how light at night can increase your blood sugar? Do they tell you to
try to block that light? And they say, no, they told me to stop eating
pasta and stop eating carbs. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is such a
big piece of the puzzle. We need to talk about light. For so many different
health issues and diabetes. Since it is such a big issue for the eyes,
I think that is crucial. I think that has to be a conversation to have
with people about light. I mean, how it affects everything. And

(23:28):
a. Of different conditions are, you know, obviously are affected by light, and you
can see that in the eyes. So that's why it's such a good way to
educate people about it. Yes. Yeah. And I want to
talk about how different things showing up in the eye can be
connected to other conditions. But first you
mentioned how artificial light at night raises our

(23:50):
blood sugar. And I find this is one of those points
where people are like, what?
Like. Sorry, what? Like, I'm doing all like my,
you know, I'm, as you said, like, I'm not eating my carbs and I'm doing
this and I'm doing that. But. But I'm on my phone before bed and
that's raising my blood sugar. Are you kidding me? Like,

(24:12):
yes. Sorry. Could you explain
how that's happening? Because it does sound
fantastical to people who are not familiar with
this world. So blue
light, which is found in our phones and in these artificial lights
will trigger melanopsin. So those melanopsin blue light receptors

(24:35):
will trigger, based on different nanometers of light, I'M
not gonna get into the numbers here, but those signals are in those artificial
lights that again are triggering melanopsin. So melanopsin is going to send a
message to the brain and there's a, you know, it's going to trigger
the production of aceto of
adrenocorticotropin hormone. It's going to tell our adrenal glands

(24:56):
to make cortisol. And then cortisol's. What's that going to do? It's going to go
to the liver and it's going to. The liver is going to release blood sugar
and it's raising our blood sugar because it has to, because cortisol, we need
cortisol. Cortisol is very important. It gives us energy, it keeps us awake. It's
what we need in the morning, but we don't need it at night. Cortisol
can lead to other. Can be a precursor to other hormones. So

(25:17):
it has an ability to mess with our hormones as well as should testosterone, things
like that. But cortisol inherently raises blood sugar, so it's going
to release blood sugar and then it also makes us a little more insulin
resistant because the body's not going to. Well, the body will
release more insulin to try to get rid of this blood sugar, but cortisol blunts
that responds a little bit. So now we have an epidemic of people who

(25:39):
are insulin resistant in addition to this high sugar
because of the cortisol. And then we have the whole leptin issue, which is a
whole other issue in general, which is also a circadian piece. Leptin plays
a role in how we, in our metabolism based on our fat cells, and
that's also circadian. But just a basic. Cortisol is
automatically just going to raise our blood sugar at the wrong time, and then we

(26:00):
have nothing lowering it. Now it's just coursing through our body, this
cortisol, which is also going to create more stress and it
blunts melatonin. And melatonin cannot be released if cortisol
is high. And that's another thing that's going to be an issue because melatonin is
going to help the whole body heal. So cortisol will raise blood
sugar just from having that blue light in our eyes. And a lot of people

(26:20):
say, oh, I put my phone on night shift setting, I turn my phone
orange. But that night shift setting on the phone, even on
maximum setting, is only 50% blockage. So if you have
50% of no blue, you have 50% blue and you need
zero. I mean, you need, you need to not have any blue at night to
not trigger those melanopsin cells. So it's, it's not enough. It's a kind of a

(26:41):
false sense of security a lot of people think they're getting. So we want no
blue. So we don't even want any bright light for the most part. Even if
we have no blue and really bright lights, that could be an issue. But specifically
blue, we want to avoid that. So phones, LEDs, overhead
TVs, all of that, we want to try to eliminate it. And it doesn't mean
that you have to turn off your lights and walk around with a candle. I

(27:03):
mean, there are things we can do. We know about our blue light blockers and
different circadian friendly bulbs. There are ways to get around that. But we just definitely
need to be mindful that once the sun goes down, we want those signals to
be correct so that cortisol does go down. Okay. So once the
sun goes down, we need to be as mindful
of our light environment as we would be of what we were eating. Right. Like,

(27:25):
I know, you know, I think of all of the moms I know,
like there is no way they would be allowing
junk food into their bodies or the bodies of their children, like
at, you know, late at night on a regular basis.
And yet we don't have the information available to know that
the artificial light is doing this, having the same effect.

(27:49):
So yeah, just to like get through that point a little more. So turning off
the overhead LEDs, that's a simple one because who, who wants those on
anyway? They're awful. Especially when it's dark out. Your body
just is like, ah, like it's too bright. So the
overheads go off. We put on some lamps with a warmer bulb,
incandescent or circadian friendly bulb.

(28:12):
A little trickier is the screens. Right. Like I like to
have a, I like to watch a little TV show or watch a movie.
So let's talk about the glasses.
Yeah, So I don't have them in front of me, but
there's. Everyone heard about blue light glasses, right? We all know that there's
blue light glasses. And I think a lot of people know that blue light

(28:34):
keeps you awake. I feel like that's a pretty known thing. A lot of people
hear it, they don't know the extent of it or they're like, oh, I have
my blue light blockers. But there's such a big difference between blocking blue light during
the day and night. And if you're getting, if you're Wearing a blue light blocker
that has no color to it, you're not really blocking blue light, especially
not enough. In order to block technically 100% of blue light,

(28:54):
the lenses have to be orange. I mean, they have to be really amber or
really orange. And you can see the wavelengths of whatever glasses you're using and make
sure that they are blocking up to at least you know, at a
minimum, 480 nanometers. That's the wavelength that
most activates. Melanopsin is 480 nanometers.
It's sky blue. But ideally, you want to go even a little further than that

(29:16):
because melanopsin can also respond to some people, like, even in the
green range. But that being said, the glasses have to be dark enough
and orange enough to block that light. Even yellow
glasses, Yellow glasses are not enough for nighttime. I tend to wear yellow during the
day because it gives me a nice, nice 50% blockage of
the harmful light that's going to damage the eyes during the day without messing with

(29:38):
circadian rhythm. But at night, I tend to wear orange ones, and they
just work so much better. And then I even wear red right before. But that's
a little different. That really blocks all the way up to all the green, and
it takes out a lot of the light. That's like my sleeping pill that I
use. But orange is really important at night again, after the
sun goes down. Okay. And I just wanted to make sure we

(29:59):
covered that because I, I don't want
people's. The way human nature is, our mind will go to, like, the worst,
hardest part of any change, right? And it's like, what? Like, no more. No
more tv, no more screens. No more. And it's like,
no, just make sure that your eyes are fully protected.
Right? And, you know, I know all of this, and even I

(30:22):
sometimes I'm like, you know, I just pick up my phone and I'm like, oh,
I forgot. You know, it's. But every,
every moment of protection, every little bit of
protection matters and, and makes a difference and is
improving our body's ability to function
and, and heal itself. So,

(30:43):
yeah, really. So the, so the blue blockers are really, really, really
important. And do you just, like, once the sun goes down, do you just put
them on or do you put them on if you're going to, like, watch TV
or something? I mean, I put them on. So I,
I put them on as soon as the sun goes down. I mean, they're on.
My husband does not. He waits a couple. He only puts them on a Few

(31:04):
hours before bed, especially at this time of year when it's dark at 4:30.
Right now, that being said, I'm at work. There are days I don't work. I
don't work every day. But on the days I do, there is one night I'm
working till seven and it's dark for a few hours already this time of year.
And I will say that I wear the yellow. And the second I leave
the office, I put on my orange. And I'm not. You're not supposed to drive
with them. But I live pretty close to the office. So anyway,

(31:27):
that being said, so I. But I put them on as soon as it's dark.
But I also want to make sure I've eaten already. I tend to try to
eat before the sun goes down as well because our digestive
enzymes are not really active as much at night. We're supposed to eat with
the sun. That's what we're designed to do, eat when the sun is up. Our
digestion is really strong. So I like to make sure I eat
and then, you know, darkness and then put them on and I leave them on

(31:49):
no matter what I'm doing until I, until I go to bed.
Whereas my husband's like, what do we have the lights off? It's 430. Why are
you like, I don't care.
But I mean, at least. And again, not everybody can do that. I recognize that
people are working. I don't expect people to put them on at 4:30, you know,
depending on where you live. But at least a few hours before bed. I mean,

(32:11):
ideally when you get home and it's dark, put them on. You know, that's what
I'm saying. It's a little bit harder for people who are at work and they're
working late. And you really don't want to be walking around with orange glasses because
you don't want to drive with them. But at least yellow in those situations. But
if you're home and it's dark, you put them on. It would be just such
an easy thing to do. Such an easy thing to do. And then you're

(32:31):
protected from any little ambient light or any
little anything that comes your way.
Okay, so another question I had.
You talked about how the
artificial light at night spikes our blood sugar.

(32:52):
How is it different? Explain to us how it's different from
going outside at noon and getting a blue
light signal. Why there's like
the timing piece and you know, the fake
light versus real light piece. So what, what's going on? Because
I'm I'm hearing people's questions come through the ether.

(33:15):
They're like, well she said there's blue light outside and you're saying it's so bad.
So what's right? Right, Tell us. So when we're exposed
to blue light out in the sun, we're getting a full spectrum signal. So we're
getting red and infrared, which is is again anti inflammatory. Blue light is in addition
to telling us what time it is, it's also a strong
signal. I mean it has a very high wavelength, it's close to ultraviolet.

(33:37):
So it is a stronger signal. But out in full spectrum light it is
balanced by that red and infrared. Those red and infrared signals, which are longer
wavelength and more anti inflammatory, they're going to blunt a lot of
the inflammatory signals. Just as a side note, but when we are getting full
spectrum light, we also have other pieces of light in there. We also have some
depending on what time of year it is where you live. We're also getting some

(33:58):
ultraviolet light and ultraviolet light helps break
down our hormones. So we're designed to the way, the way we
work is to release, you know, cortisol and start making hormones first thing in the
morning. And then if we're outside getting these signals of full spectrum
light, we are exposed to a little of ultraviolet and then ultraviolet gets
stronger and then it gets weaker. And ultraviolet light helps break down those hormones.

(34:20):
So our body knows exactly what to do. It's like a balance
checks and balances. It's like, yeah, you're making hormones and then ultraviolet light helps
start breaking them down. But at night, if we start releasing hormones, there is no
ultraviolet light at night and we're not, nothing's breaking them down. So then they're just
flowing through our body. But cortisol, you know, we're going to make it. We're supposed
to make it, but we're also supposed to stop making it and do something to

(34:42):
help get rid of it or help break it down with all of our
hormones and all of the things that we're doing. Everything has a rhythm and we
need the sunlight to kind of tell us what to do and when to do
it. So that being said, I know middle of the day, sun,
there are caveats to that. We're not going to have someone who's never been out
in the sun and then go outside for hours. And all of that is a

(35:02):
separate story. But the idea is that full spectrum light does exactly what
we needed to do. We're supposed to have different things happening at different times a
day. At night, it's all artificial. It's not our biology
to release all these hormones at night. There's nothing. Then they just sit there and
they create wreak havoc on the body.

(35:23):
So amazing. So when we're outside
there, yes, there's blue light, but there's lots of other kinds of light.
And it's basically helping our body to digest all of our,
all of the information. Whereas when
it's dark out and it's fake light and it just has
the very narrow stream, it's just bombarding our body with

(35:46):
signals and our body doesn't know what to do and
reacts in a way that's causing a
lot of problems. So many problems, my friends. And this
is why. Yeah, this is, we're going to get into them. And why
I'm like such a maniac about circadian regulation
because it's not necessarily, no one's saying it's

(36:08):
going to, it's like a magic cure all. But there's so
many symptoms and can related to
dysregulated circadian rhythm that to have a regulated
rhythm, at least you're ruling out, you know, you're covering your
bases. So if you, you do need help with other
symptoms, at least you know, you're not trying to like medicate circadian

(36:29):
dysregulation, which is never going to work. You got to get that in place.
Okay, so that's, that's why this just
matters so, so, so much. What are the many reasons it matters so much? Okay,
so, so you've explained how it all
works and the things that can go sideways and how our
eye is such a key, key organ in

(36:51):
processing light. So when things do go
wrong, you have
noticed a lot of correlation between eye issues
and different symptoms or conditions that are showing up
in other parts of the body, Right? Yeah. So the eyes are always
a nice window to what's happening in the body. And that's something that we've, you

(37:14):
know, we did learn, we always learned that in school. That's, that's such a big
piece. And one of the reasons that drew me to this profession,
because you can look into the eyes and you can see so many things that
happen in the body because you can see blood vessels and nerve tissue and brain.
You know, you're seeing all these things without having to cut anything. And I just,
it is fascinating. So, yeah, so anytime anything goes
wrong in the body, we have to. In the eyes, we have to know what's

(37:37):
going on in the body or understand that most systemic systems
can show up in the eyes. So a lot of things that
happen can be traced back to,
again, like you said, the foundation of circadian rhythm. It is the foundation
that we need. And it's not like you said, it's not going to. There
can be other layers, but we have to get that light. Right. So when we're

(37:58):
talking about from, from a retinal standpoint, and you can look at the
retina and you're seeing blood vessels and you're seeing inflammation, you know, perhaps inflammation, a
lot of people are getting, you know, macular degeneration and, and, and diabetic
retinopathy and different things like that. And it can
point to inflammation in the body, can point to poor
circadian rhythm for all the reasons we talked about because of blood sugar,

(38:19):
perhaps people are getting too much light. Macular degeneration.
There's a big link to poor circadian rhythm, or in general, or just
being exposed to these artificial signals of light, because the
signals that are exposed, that we're exposed to tend to
oxidize the retina. We're not designed to stare at a screen all day and just
get these signals without any balance. And what it does, it actually

(38:42):
oxidizes the cells of the, of the macula and we start getting these deposits.
So that's kind of a clue. And there's also links to metabolic
issues for macular degeneration. So a lot of different things can happen
where the retina is not working as well. And, you know, it's because of things
that are happening in the body. Hormones play a big role in what happens in
the eyes. Dry eyes, especially, depending on, you know, women tend to

(39:04):
get a lot of dry eyes certain, you know, after menopause or around menopause, and
then later, a lot of times, there's hormones linked to that.
Allergies show up in the eyes. Nerve issues show up in the eyes. There's so
many, so many different things. There's a lot of inflammation can show up in the
eyes as well, autoimmune issues, and all of those things that happen
in the eyes and the body. We want to make sure that the foundation, like

(39:26):
I said, that the foundation is there before we start fixing other things. Because if
you're kind of like running uphill, if you're trying to fix those things without fixing
the light, because even with blood
pressure, blood pressure has a circadian component to it as well. We want to
make sure we are getting the right signals. Nitric oxide, when we're exposed to those
ultraviolet A signals, are going to lower blood pressure. It lowers

(39:47):
eye Pressure. There's a lot of different pieces there. Melatonin is
really extremely important. There's so many studies on melatonin
and how it can help a lot of different eye conditions and obviously the whole
body. And I don't mean that we take it, we want to make sure we're
optimizing it. And the only way to optimize it is with light. I mean, it's
a circadian hormone so that in and of itself, people who have

(40:07):
dry eyes and are not sleeping, why aren't you sleeping? We got to look at,
you know, are you, are you getting enough light so that you're making your melatonin
in addition to all the other things that can cause dry eyes? There's so many
pieces. I know, I'm just, I'm saying like a big jumble of things. But there's
so many links to so many things in, in the eyes and the body. And
then we layer in the quantum health with that. It's, it's, it's a no brainer

(40:28):
to, to really fix light. Right.
So the eyes are a window to all kinds of systemic
issues. And the eyes are
also the main processing unit of light. So
the circadian organ. So just another
way of saying. Yes, how important light is. Let's dig

(40:51):
into a couple of those a little bit. So
talk to me about dry eye and
hormones. Okay. Yes. So
estrogen in general is important in
keeping our eyes moist in general. So a lot of women will start
getting dry eyes because our lacrimal glands will stop making. The lacrimal

(41:13):
glands are what secrete water basically, or the aqueous portion of the tears.
And it does go down a bit. Estrogen helps keep things moist. So when we
have a little bit less of that, sometimes we're not making as much of the
aqueous portion of our tear film. And also our glands tend to get a little
more clogged. And our oil glands, whenever we blink, we're secreting oil for our
tear film and they tend to get clogged a lot in women, especially

(41:37):
just in general. And again, hormones, while
menopause is a natural thing, we can optimize that a little bit more.
Right. With circadian rhythm. If we help optimize hormones, we want to make sure we're
doing all of that to help. Gosh,
I'm drawing a, drawing a blank on other things right now.
I'm sorry, I'm completely drawing a blank here. Okay, we'll

(42:00):
just tighten this up later. Yeah, you can edit this out. Actually, I'm going to
Plug my computer in. So let's make a note. At 35
minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just feel like I'm. I'm not. No
problem. Completely. Right now I realized I forgot to
plug it in, and it's getting low, so I'll be right back. Okay.

(42:47):
I mean, I don't know that that's really answering anything anyway. I'm not really sure
if I even answered anything, really. I don't know. I'm drawing a blank on that.
Menopause. It's hard to say that's fully circadian because it's.
It's like we're losing hormones at that point. So it's like, almost.
Yeah. And that, like, I'm not looking to say it's fully
circadian. I just, like, even the idea that you're. That is a

(43:09):
symptom of a hormonal. Imbalance, it's like, oh, I see what
you're getting at. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm just trying to think of
other testosterone I don't know. I don't know much about.
It's mostly estrogen, honestly. So tell me when you want to restart.
Okay. Want to ask that again? And I'll. Sure, I'll. Yeah, sure.
I'll just pick it up.

(43:31):
Yeah. And as I was saying, like, it's. It's more just like
most people have no idea. They're like, oh, I have dry eyes. Like, they don't
even. Wouldn't even connect it to a phase of life or to a
hurt. You know, they just get drops, and that's it.
So those are. That's sort of who I'm talking to. Okay. It's like

(43:53):
that. The idea. There's a lot of different
reasons for dry eyes. I mean, I'll tell you before we continue. Like, there's
medication side effects. There's, like, histamine issues that we can get, which can
also be immune issues. Okay, well, let's do that, then. I'll let.
How about this? I'll just ask about dry eyes. Right. And then it
might be easier to do that because the only, like, example I have would be

(44:16):
menopause and that. Yeah. Okay. So. Yeah, we can start that again.
Okay. So I want to circle back to a symptom you mentioned, because this
comes up a lot on Q&As, and I hear people wanting to know more about
it, and that is dry eyes.

(44:36):
Most people I know get dry eyes. They go get some drops,
and they put the drops in, and they're like, now my eyes aren't dry anymore.
Right. And that's kind of it, right? Well, with.
It's actually very frustrating because when people get a drop, a lot of times those
drops will help for a few minutes and they're really not helping the actual
problem. So there's a ton of reasons why people can get dry eyes. There is

(44:59):
the circadian piece to that, but in general, there are, you
know, hormonal issues, there's side effects from medications. So people who are
basically, if you look up any medication, blood pressure medications, birth control
is a huge, huge cause of dry eyes in general. But if you're taking
a systemic medication and you look up side effects, dry eyes is
usually one of those side effects. So most people who are on medications,

(45:22):
I'm thinking of like antidepressants, you know, psychiatric medications,
blood pressure medication, any hormonal medications, antibiotics,
things like that can absolutely disrupt the tear film. So that's.
That's the thing that most people are on medications. And it's. It's one of the
most common symptoms, dry eyes. So you have the medication
piece, the hormonal piece. So again, people, especially menopausal women, when

(45:44):
estrogen starts to go down, it's going to dry us out. It's going to mess
with our glands. Our oil glands are not secreting oil as well. The
water portion, the lacrimal glands are not making as much of the aqueous or the
water part of our tears. Our tear film is made up of mucus,
water and oil. So we need those layers to be nice and full in order
to have a good tear film. So you get people who even have immune issues,

(46:05):
allergies, they get too many, a lot of cells,
mast cells that's secreting a lot of histamine or a lot of mucus.
So that can also disrupt the tear film and relate to dry eyes. And
we have environmental issues. People who are sitting on screens, just in general sitting
on screens, we don't blink as much. We're not pumping out that oil. Our eyes
are going to be dry. So there's a lot of lifestyle changes

(46:27):
and a lot of systemic changes that can actually have an effect on that. There
are autoimmune conditions that can actually lower the production of that water as
well. Inflammatory conditions. There's
almost everything, even digestive issues, even if our microbiome is off,
if we had recent any issues with digestion, and
there's a gut eye connection, there's a mouth eye connection,

(46:50):
sometimes there's issues with dental work that can affect
things. There's really so many layers. There's even issues with
Say lymph stagnation. If we have issues where we just
have stagnation and our lymph flow is not
flowing for many reasons, even postural issues,
we can have more dry eyes. A lot of people say I wake up in

(47:11):
the morning and my eyes are puffy or my eyes are just watery in the
morning. It's a lot of. There's all, excuse me, there's a lot of lymph tissue
around there. And we need to make sure that that's moving, that we're releasing
toxins, that we're hydrating, that we're getting, you know, all the, even circadian. There's
a big circadian piece to how our lymph is flowing as well. There's
kidney, you know, kidney function also plays a role. Liver

(47:32):
function plays a role in our eyes and how we're releasing toxins. If we're
exposed to too many toxins, it's going to
show up in the eyes. Even poor air quality, right. If we're exposed to
dust, if we, you know, I like having an air purifier in bedrooms. I
think that's a nice way to just make sure we're exposed to clean air while
we're sleeping. Because a lot of people don't realize that it's their, what they're

(47:53):
exposed to that's, that's creating dry eyes. A lot of products
create dry eyes. We have to be careful with cleaning products. Right. So
many people are still using bleach and all these
toxic, even fragrances. Oh, it drives me crazy.
Fragrances, those chemicals every. Tell people, every time
you're wearing, if you're wearing perfume or anything with a fragrance. Every time you

(48:15):
smell that, your, your liver has to detox, has to detox
those, those scent molecules. Like it's adding a burden, a toxic burden to the
eyes, Women, contact lens, just in general. Contact lenses are a
big cause of dry eyes in general because you're literally putting a piece of plastic
on your eyes and disrupting the tear film if, if you're over wearing them, if
you're not taking care of them properly or if the contact's not fitting properly

(48:37):
or if it's not a good contact for you. But makeup, that's another thing. So
I know you're asking about systemic conditions, but there's, there's so many different reasons for
dry eyes. Like depending on what kind of makeup we use,
there's a lot of different false eyelashes. You see that a
lot. That's so interesting. There's so many people who have them. And I
Saw a study about how eyelashes are designed to be a certain length

(48:58):
because they have a certain airflow.
And when we change that length with artificial false lashes, we're actually changing
the airflow and the air. There's more air hitting your eyes and we can get
more dry eyes. Just. Wow. So again, there are so many
layers to dry eyes and there's a lot of systemic issues. Bottom line,
folks, do not mess with nature.

(49:20):
I mean, going to a party, you want long eyelashes for a night, fine. But
like, I would like. Yeah.
Wow. No wonder everyone has dry eyes.
That's like everything. Allergy medicine, a lot of
people are taking anti. That will automatically dry out the eye. It's gonna.
It dries out the mucous membrane, so you can get more dry eyes

(49:43):
from that as well. So again, there's so many. So many layers. And again, I
like to have that quantum layer in there because again, quantum or circadian
biology is such a good foundation for a lot of these systemic issues that
perhaps we can improve upon to help reduce the
systemic issue, which might also help improve the dry eye
issue. Right? Is look. Yeah. I mean, looking at it from

(50:05):
the. From the circadian perspective, it's getting all of the processes
in place with the correct light inputs and then going down
to that deeper quantum layer where boosting that bar.
Easy water. The big thing, which I didn't even. Which I
obviously probably obvious, it's blue light. You know, we're exposed to
artificial blue light without the balance of the red and the infrared. We are literally

(50:27):
oxidizing and dehydrating our eyes automatically just by being
exposed to this signal of blue light that doesn't exist in nature.
And the other piece of that is also WI fi signals, which are also
just dehydrating us on that cellular level, which we can't get away from.
I understand that that's a whole other, you know, conversation, but in
general, our environment makes it really hard to not have dry eyes. We have to

(50:49):
do a lot of work, a lot of work to. To really try to keep
our eyes moist. And even as simple fact as just blinking, like, just remember to
blink when you're on screens. You know, a lot of things like that can help,
right? Yeah. I notice when I'm like editing the
editing podcasts and there's a lot of me just listening, so I just.
And I'm like, I am blinking like every other second.

(51:12):
I was like, is there something wrong with me? Why am I blinking so much?
Oh, but that's my body responding to the fact that I'm on a screen,
trying to keep. Trying to keep my eyes safe. Okay,
so what's going on? I know you've talked
about how there's just more and more research coming out
about the role of the eye

(51:36):
and its connection to health and its connection to light. Like, what are your
favorite things to think about right now? Yeah, it's interesting.
Everyone's extremely afraid of ultraviolet light, right. Hitting the eyes. And I
get it, because there is an oxidative reaction that can happen with ultraviolet light, especially,
especially if it's too much. But there are some studies and some of these are
animal studies. So it's not necessarily. But a lot of the animal studies

(51:59):
usually can be extrapolated to humans. But, you know,
UVA and violet light has been found to help with
corneal wound healing. And I believe it was done in rabbits, rabbits or
mice. But when exposed to uva, when, when, when the cornea
gets wounded, it's actually neuropsyn, those neuropsychin receptors
that get upregulated, those UVA receptors, and they help heal the eye, eyes, which

(52:21):
is so interesting. It's like, well, you know, obviously we have neuropsychin for a
reason. We need these signals. Sometimes these signals can actually help us.
There's also the study, I believe it was done by Harry Moto is
one of the researchers, that when UVB was,
when the cornea was exposed to uvb, they found an upregulated

(52:42):
Alpha MSH in the body. Alpha MSH is
melanocyte stimulating hormone. It's a very important, important
hormone that helps with so many different things. Again, that's a whole other topic.
But it's just interesting how we can get systemic effects
from signals in the eye. Same thing with uva they found
there was another study about UVA and upregulating through nitric

(53:04):
oxide signaling that there is other systemic effects as well. So we can
see that ultraviolet light in the eyes does play a role in
our systemic effects. What I do love, I really love
Scott Zimmerman's research on infrared light. I just love that, you know,
how, how well we know how important infrared light is
again for our mitochondria, for our general health. And how when we're in these green

(53:27):
spaces, we're getting even more of that and it penetrates the eyes so
well that it can go through our, our eyelids just being outside.
So being in these green spaces is such a healing thing that we can do
for the body. So we can sit in the shade, sit under a tree,
you know, even if it's in the middle of the day, and we're getting such
amazing benefits. And we don't really get that. Most of us aren't getting as

(53:48):
outdoor time as much as we need to. And the infrared portion of
that is extremely important. It's actually going to hydrate. The retina needs
hydration. The eyes need hydration. In addition to all the
signaling. And infrared light is what does that. It actually gets absorbed by the water.
It's actually helping us increase our cellular water, and it helps things
work better. We can't work if we're dehydrated. And again, the sun

(54:10):
or being outdoors is a big piece of making sure we stay hydrated.
So I talk about hydration a lot with patients, and they're like, oh, I drink
water all day long. I'm like, oh, that's not what I mean. I mean, that's
not. It helps. We want to make sure we're getting minerals and we're getting clean
water, but we really need that piece. We need the full spectrum sunlight,
especially first thing in the morning, to help us increase that hydration.

(54:31):
Wow. And so, yeah, let's
talk about that a little. So tell us a little more.
Being outside. And yeah, I love talking to Scott.
And I love. Because it's. Every time I talk to him, I'm like, oh, just
go outside. Right. Like, it's. In order to make vitamin

(54:52):
D, you might need to have your skin out a certain time of year at
a certain time of day. But in order to get the benefits of infrared
light, which you're talking about, you just got to, like, walk out. Walk
out that door, be on the other side of the glass. So what's. What's happening?
How is infrared light, which is
amplified under leaves and trees, which is so cool,

(55:15):
or red light therapy, if that's the way we're doing it. How is
that hydrating our bodies and our eyeballs?
Yeah. So it works through our mitochondria. And our
mitochondria we've probably remember as being our powerhouse that makes
ATP and our energy. But mitochondria also
make water. When those electrons are flowing through the

(55:37):
membrane, they're kind of jumping through these different proteins in the membrane of the
mitochondria at the fourth. The cytochrome. It's the
fourth membrane, the fourth protein in that membrane, One of the
byproducts is water. And research, obviously, from
Dr. Pollack and all these other water researchers has shown that the
water that gets made from the mitochondria actually ends up becoming a

(55:59):
battery. It turns into. It's not just sloshing around our body. It actually
turns into this kind of structured or this crystalline
gel, this lattice of a battery. And it gets
rearranged into a negative and positive charges. And it
surrounds everything in the body. It's surrounding our mitochondria. It's surrounding every
single, every single atom or every single

(56:20):
surface that is hydrophilic or
attracts water so that everything's hydrated. And that's what makes it work
because that's what's supplying the energy in the body. And red light and
infrared light actually power up that
cytochrome C oxidase, which is the protein in the membrane that's
making water. So it gets powered up when it's making more of that

(56:42):
water. It's actually knocking off nitric oxide that can get
stuck there and it allows oxygen
to bind. And then it's going to make more water for us. And that water
ends up turning into what we call exclusion zone water or coherent
water or just water that helps our body work. And same thing
happens in our eyes as well, that those mitochondrial cells eat up the red light

(57:06):
and the infrared and they're actually going to make more water for us, us. And
that happens on a cellular level that is not the same as the water that
we drink. It is really happening throughout our entire body. One of the most important
things we can do for the body because we are electrical and it's
amazing how light is controlling things on such a, such a level. That light is
going to interact with electrons and those electrons are what's going to

(57:26):
help move things in the body. And then it's going to make that water. And
then we have this battery and we want that battery, that water to be very
thick and healthy. And infrared is powering that up. It's actually going to explain
expand that water throughout the entire body. So works
beautifully. Wow.
So our bodies, so we are bioelectric,

(57:48):
not just biochemical. There's an added layer there.
And this, the light piece is what,
you know, charges us. And the eyes are
really like the key organization. I mean, we're
absorbing light all over our body all the time. Yes, but, but
the eyes have all of these very specific mechanisms

(58:12):
and there's. A direct link to the brain. Right. It's right there. So it's just,
it's such a direct link to the masterpiece and
then it goes right, you know, all throughout the body. So it is a really
important piece. And not to say we can't get some benefits
obviously from the skin because that's the other, the other part of it. But the
eyes are just. Is crucial.

(58:34):
So. Amazing. Well, Valerie, do you have anything else
that you want to add or anything that's on your mind about.
About all of this? This has been a lot and I want to sort of
give. Give people a sec. A second to digest and
I, I really love how you explained everything so
beautifully because it, I think, you know, that

(58:56):
we, we can't hear this too many times. I just, again, just
want to reiterate that we really, our light is a nutrient and we need to
really be careful about, like, really think about what kind of light we're exposed to
throughout the day. If you are in an office or you're in a place that
has LEDs, just get outside as much as you can. Just take breaks outdoors. You
don't need, you know, we don't need. You don't need to be outside all day,

(59:17):
but just get outside, take those breaks, make sure we're getting those signals and
safely. You know, there's obviously safe, safe safety involved there, but we
don't want to be exposed to all these signals. It's just, it's just not natural.
And it makes sense if we think about it. Why would, why would we be
able to live away from nature? Like every other creature needs to be
outdoors under the sun and, you know, just with the earth

(59:38):
and we're the only creatures that are able to live
indoors for such a big portion of our life. You know, we're really not
connected anymore. And even if we're outside sitting under a tree, you know, it's
fantastic for us. So we just, especially morning is the most important thing that we
need to think about. Sunset as well is also a nice time when there's a
lot of red and infrared light. We need the other signals throughout the day as
well, but we have to make sure we're getting those early morning signals

(01:00:01):
and even sunsets another time and then darkness at night. And that's what's going to
optimize our rhythm very well.
Right? Yeah. I love that idea of
light as a nutrient and we, we are deficient again. And it's. Scott
Zimmerman has said it's like 21st century scurvy,
the infrared light deficiency. And when you talked about it, you

(01:00:24):
talked about like our mitochondria being starving.
Right. So that's the. I find these images
so powerful. Right. Like we have inadvertently starved
our cells of their vital life
force. And then we wonder why we have all these problems
with energy and sleep and digestion and.

(01:00:48):
Yeah, it's amazing. Well,
Valerie, where can People find you. And again, thank you so much
for putting your, your brilliant mind onto all of this
work and explaining it to all of us. Like, it really makes such a huge
difference. Thank you. Instagram. Go on Instagram. I'm Quantum
IDOC on Instagram. That's where I'm the most active. And there's some links there

(01:01:10):
for my websites, resources and stuff. It's mostly, mostly
education at this point. So I would say Instagram is the fastest
and easiest way. Okay, so that's Quantum
IDOC doc at Quantum IDOC
on Instagram. If you live
in the Long island area, you can make it an in person

(01:01:31):
appointment at the clinic. If you
don't, then yes, yes, definitely follow Valerie on Instagram. And
she has a lot of amazing free resources. And of course, she
is a faculty member at the Institute of Applied Quantum Biology. So if you
wanted to study under her as a practitioner and
learn how to apply all of this in your, in your work,

(01:01:54):
you can find her there as well. Thank you. Yes. The Apply
Quantum the program is just fantastic. I have to say I love the
program so much and I'm honored to be on the faculty. But then that the
Applied Quantum Biology program I just find so helpful.
Again, I've learned about this since I would say 2017,

(01:02:14):
and I read as much as I could and I learned as much as I
could and I made the changes. But honestly, it wasn't until I went through the
program that I think I really understood it or how to apply it and
how to really live and not be so stressed out about it all the time.
So I think it's really helpful. And I don't think you have to be a
practitioner to go through the program. I think it's a great program just to understand
and just know how to change your life. I mean, it really is life changing.

(01:02:37):
And I love the way things are explained in the program. I just highly recommend
it. I love it. Oh, Valerie, thank you so much. I
really appreciate that. Yeah. And that is the point of it. It's like it's an
integration program. It's not academic, it's not
theoretical. Like, we sometimes have people who just want to like
talk about electron tunneling for five hours. And I'm like, I will

(01:02:58):
refer you to some other places where they. That's their
focus for us. Yeah, it's like we want to understand
what's happening so that we can do, so that everyone
can do something practical with it. So thank you so much for,
for. Articulating that because that's, that's the point. It's
like, the information is wonderful, but if we

(01:03:21):
can't live it out right, who cares?
Sitting on a Lincoln PubMed.
Thank you again, Valerie. And I look forward to doing this again.
Thank you, Meredith. Me too.