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February 10, 2025 78 mins

Following on from my last show, in this episode I engaged in an impromptu debate with John Hankey, revolving mainly around money and the perception of value.

We go deep into the fundamental nature of money, power, and control. At the core, we debate what 'fiat money' truly means and how it affects politics, economics and society at large. We clash over the role of central banking, gold, whether economies should be built on scarcity or on what people actually need, and, crucially, whether you can even separate scarcity from need.

But beyond economics, this conversation is about power—who wields it, who benefits from it, and how it shapes the world around us. This one is a real collision of perspectives, and whether you agree, disagree, or find yourself somewhere in between, this debate will push you to think deeper about the very foundations of money, value, and control.

 

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