May 22, 2025 • 57 mins
Anxiety, fear, procrastination, perfectionism, and self-doubt—what Daniel Packard calls the "Funky 5"—hold back countless professionals every day. But what if these issues weren't just manageable, but solvable? Daniel, CEO of Full Liberation Technology and known as "The Internal Engineer," joins Andy Goram to share his revolutionary, body-based system that permanently resolves anxiety and fear by recalibrating the nervous system. Discover the innovative, data-backed approach that has already transformed lives and teams worldwide.
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Key Takeaways- Anxiety and fear aren't just mental—they originate in a malfunctioning nervous system.
- The traditional "mind-based" approaches often only manage symptoms instead of solving the core issue.
- Small, consistent actions to care for the nervous system can permanently solve anxiety and related issues.
- True liberation from anxiety leads to profound improvements in professional performance, personal happiness, and overall well-being.
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Key MomentsThe key moments in this episode are:
0:00:10 – Why Traditional Approaches to Anxiety Fail 0:07:36 – Daniel Packard’s Journey: From Mechanical Engineer to Anxiety Innovator 0:15:57 – Solving Anxiety: The Engineering Approach 0:23:26 – The Power of Results-Focused Anxiety Solutions 0:30:13 – Mind vs. Body: Where Does Anxiety Truly Originate? 0:39:06 – Recalibrating the Nervous System for Permanent Anxiety Relief 0:45:48 – The Simple System for Lasting Anxiety Freedom 0:53:23 – Daniel Packard’s Three Powerful Sticky Notes
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Hello and welcome to Sticky from the Inside, the employee engagement podcast that looks at how to build stickier, competition smashing, consistently successful organisations from the inside out.
I'm your host Andy Goram and I'm on a mission to help more businesses turn the lights on behind the eyes of their employees, light the fires within them and create tonnes more success for everyone.
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This podcast is for all those who believe that's something worth going after and would like a little help and guidance in achieving that.
Each episode we dive into the topics that can help create what I call stickier businesses, the sort of businesses where people thrive and love to work and where more customers stay with you and recommend you to others because they love what you do and why you do it.
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So if you want to take the tricky out of being sticky, listen on.
Okay then, this is I think going to be a very different episode as we continue our quest to have more fulfilling work lives and if I'm honest it's making me a little anxious and that's pretty apt considering what we're going to be discussing today.
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Anxiety, fear, procrastination, people-pleasing, lack of self-confidence or as my guest today would call it the funky five.
These are things, feelings that at some time in our lives most of us will have experienced either at work or in our personal lives or most likely both.
Typically the normal Western way of treating these feelings is that we try to manage them through mental strategies, through some kind of therapy, practicing mindfulness or resilience training but what if we've been looking at it all wrong and what if these feelings aren't just something we have to cope with but things we can actually solve.
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My guest today is Daniel Packard also known to me as the internal engineer and he has spent in excess of eight years and over a million dollars in research and development looking at these issues from a unique engineering perspective.
Now this viewpoint has led him to create an innovative body-based approach aimed at actually solving and releasing people from these feelings.
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Now he boldly claims and has plenty of evidence all over the internet to back it up that his method doesn't just manage anxiety, fear, procrastination, lack of self-confidence, the need to people-please, it can permanently remove them in around six weeks.
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Intrigued?
Well I certainly was.
So much so that Daniel convinced me to experience a 90-minute sample of his training.
It was thought-provoking, illuminating and honestly it has left me thinking differently and with even more questions.
So today we're going to be diving deep into these questions, hearing about Daniel's groundbreaking discoveries and exploring how solving these things is possible and can really transform our work and lives.
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Daniel welcome to the show my friend.
Thank you so much for having me it's an honor to be here on the Sticky from the Inside podcast which I love the name both its business implications but also when I saw it I thought it would make a really good album for a heavy metal band you know like Motley Crue's you know 1991 Sticky from the Inside I don't know what do you think?
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I think there's a jam in there somewhere my friend I'm up for that. Maybe at the end of this we just hang on a little bit later knock a tune or two out that'd be amazing.
That would be great and thank you for the intro I want to be clear you know your audience are
professionals and business owners and leaders and their time is valuable and I'm not naive I know
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that they are dating other podcasts I know this is not the only podcast they're listening to
so I and their time is valuable so I want to share with your audiences real quickly what we're going
to be talking about that would be justify their time because their time is very valuable and that
is a few things one is we're not just going to be talking about anxiety and fear which we will be
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but really what we in my company call the funky five which is anxiety, procrastination, people
pleasing, perfectionism, and low confidence and low confidence can be fear, doubt, worry, caring
what people think of you and what we do that's really unique is that we help people that are
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struggling in two areas not just the funky five meaning anxiety, procrastination, people pleasing,
perfectionism, and low confidence but they they know what the issue is meaning they're aware
of the problem what they don't have is a how a very simple systematic how to be free of what
they're struggling with they know the what they're really aware of the what what they don't
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have is a simple how and I'm going to be sharing with them how how do you be free of all this and
the second piece is again your audience already knows the what and they probably already have tools
that help manage the symptoms or gain awareness or make it not as bad but what I'm going to be
sharing with your audience is the breakthroughs that we made in a perceptual framework that make
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it possible so that you are free of the funky five in a matter of weeks that's what we're bringing
to people and this is valuable not only to business owners and leaders who just know that
they would be more productive and operate and lead from a higher level if they didn't have the fear
the procrastination the people pleasing caring what people think of you but also because what we do
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is an online system it makes it very scalable for organizations we're working with google
and nike because managers managers went through our program went oh my god you have a system
that's results focused and it's scalable and so that's the power that this can be brought
into organizations and then thirdly it's for parents who have children that are struggling
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with anxiety and low confidence and you can see that the therapists and psychologists aren't
solving it and it's heartbreaking so if you're a parent uh that has a child that is in pain and
you're feeling powerless this can also help so the reason I bring this up is your podcast is about
impact and there's different ways that you can make impact impact with yourself to be happier and more
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productive happier and that you can bring this to your company to make it more efficient and sticky
and then third is to impact your children in a profound way and so that's what we're going to be
sharing all that not just the what but the how to so you can move from managing the funky five to
being free of it how does that sound for a value-packed episode?
that's jam-packed mate and that's how we like to roll around here so that that is bang on message I'm really looking forward
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to it but I would also love to hear and I'd love you to share a little bit of your journey because
you come from a very different perspective and I wonder if you'd be kind enough just to share
the background that you've you've had and how you've got to this point of getting to where you've got to
Yeah I'd be happy to partly because you know I think it's important that people know
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where this basically it's a inner technology that we develop but also when you tell people oh we
have a system where you can be free of what you've had your entire life in a matter of weeks
people are understandably skeptical so I think when they understand where these innovations come from
it makes more sense so the the passion of my company which is full liberation technology is
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results we care about results when when we work with people we measure results we track results
as we developed our systems it was all about getting results and as business owners
you know results matter but results normally doesn't matter in the personal development
spirituality space the result and the reason results matter so much to me is because when
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I was growing up my dad was a physicist and you know he sat me down when I was about 10 and he said
you know anybody can have a theory uh but you never know who to trust you don't ever
you never know whose theory is accurate it's the person that gets results that's the person that
you want to listen to and that's the person that you can trust and he what he said was
results matter which was a pretty heavy thing to lay on a 10 year old but it stuck with me
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this idea that results results matter and I he encouraged me to be an inventor he had a workshop
that he would let me go and make things and I loved making things figuring out problems and
making things to get results it's very satisfying when you solve the puzzle and you get something
that gets results so then I went to engineering school to be professionally trained on how to
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see a problem break it down into smaller mechanical pieces build a prototype and then design refine
and develop something that gets results and it's a certain mindset it's a certain skill set
and I was good at getting results now the good news was that engineering school taught me how
to make machines work but they did not teach me how to make life work so I could make a robot
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that could play ping pong but I was anxious insecure um perfectionism people-pleasing uh
self-doubt you name it I had it and like a lot of your audience I was aware of the problem
but I went and I went looking for help and I went to therapists and psychologists and gurus
and coaches and retreats and I was I was probably in a cult or two I was definitely in a cult at one
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point and uh you know I I spent 10 years and a million sorry I spent a hundred thousand dollars
on myself and 10 years and at the end of that 10 years and 100 grand I just
sort of went I'm still doing this shit andy I'm still insecure I'm still anxious I'm still
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people please I'm still I'm still there and I could feel there was this version of me
that was there I had occasional access to it but it wasn't consistent I felt stuck
but also I had tried so many things and spent so much money I was like I guess this is as good as it
it's gonna be and it was sad and also I was kind of angry and I remember one time I sort of looked
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up at the sky and just got mad at whoever's up there I was like hey this is what the f I said
I spent the last 10 years and 100 grand trying to improve myself and I'm still here like what do you
want from me I know this is a test but I'm trying to pass the test and I'm not what do you what do
you want from me and I was being rhetorically angry I didn't really expect a response but I
got this sort of voice that said what my dad told me at 10 which was results matter and I had this
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sort of sad epiphany that the entire what I call the improvement industrial complex personal
development spirituality coaching therapy psychology it doesn't get great results people
do it forever they never fully solve anything and nobody even tracks results or cares about results
and I said I'm in a lot of pain and the world's in a lot of pain and there's no innovation in this
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industry it's the same regurgitated stuff that's been around forever and I knew I was good at
problem-solving and innovating and getting making things that get results so I started my research
company for full liberation technology with the mission to see could we reverse engineer
an understanding of human struggle and a system that made it simple to address the root cause
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quickly and permanently so people could be free of it now I didn't know it was possible I just
mean I knew engineers are good at problem solving and somebody had to at least try so we
we went at it um and it was way harder than we thought it was not clear but that's the beauty of
engineers and inventors we are tenacious problem solvers so it took eight years over a million
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dollars in research and development we worked with thousands of people all over the world
and eventually we figured out a couple key simple innovations that make it possible to be
free of the funky five and um I know a lot of people say is that even possible and it's it's
what I live every day because I've used the tools longer than anybody I was an anxious insecure
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procrastination people pleaser perfectionist and now I wake up every morning and I'm just
calm it's my my default it's just calm and peaceful and I I mean this on a cellular level I
do not care what anybody thinks of me I can't which feels weird to say and what that opens you
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up and me up to is to really be the person you want to be to really make an impact to be consistently
joyful and energized and be the leader that you want to be and it's not because I'm enlightened
it's not because I'm special it's because I'm an engineer and we figured out how to solve this
quickly and permanently and then what I want to share with your audience is how they can live that consistent calm and full potential
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Which is which it just sounds it sounds like a nirvana um you
know as a for for many people and in my past I've had uh definite periods of anxiety I have a daughter
who suffers tremendously with anxiety um and to sort of sit here and be discussing oh yeah we can
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we've found a way to sort of free ourselves from that is remarkable um because much of it has been
about coping it with with these things getting getting by and and you're trying to sort of bring something else I wonder whether...
I want to interrupt it you said something very true but sad yeah I
said that we can be free of this and you're saying that sounds remarkable and it sounds remarkable
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because in this trillion dollar industry that's struggling with a t every year not one time every
year people are spending this money it sounds remarkable and it shouldn't be it shouldn't be
remarkable if you have a broken bone and you go to the doctor they put a cast on because they know
what a broken bone is you know what a broken bone is a bone that should be in one piece is in two
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pieces it's really simple then you put a cast on the bone and the bone heals and the bone goes from
two pieces to spoiler alert one piece and you're off and running and it's six to eight weeks nobody
says wow I used to have a broken leg but now I don't isn't that remarkable there's so many things
that we know how to solve but human suffering and pain we don't and it's sad that all these experts
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have had so long and they haven't figured out a way to be free of it and it's sad that it's
remarkable it really is and that's why I started my company because I don't want it to be remarkable
I want this to just be the way things are when you break a bone six to eight weeks it's fixed
if you have anxiety six to eight weeks it's fixed that's what the world needs so I had to interrupt
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because it is remarkable and I really wish it wasn't .
Well I thank you for interrupting. I think what I would really like to understand is the journey of discovery that you went on right
through this bit and and and whether and at what point did you as an engineer realize hey this is solvable not just manageable
We didn't well until we had the data yeah we were working with people
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until we had the data about four years in that we were not only getting people free of the symptoms
but it was permanent and we had a 90 success rate that's what we were most proud of we didn't want
it to work occasionally we thought if this is simple and basic it should work for everybody
when you put a cast on a cast on someone's bone it works for everybody it's incredible it works
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for everyone so until we saw the data we didn't know that we had cracked it uh and it's it's
important the data and the results is what matter and and I'm going to answer your question how we
got there but also at the end of this podcast I'm going to send your audience to my website to
download the same train that you got where they're going to apply one of the innovative tools that
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we developed so that they can experience this firsthand and get a result that they can trust
because right now I can tell you how we got there and some insights but the result is what
matters and I want your audience to have a result that they can feel so at the end go to my website
gamepire.com get this 90 minute training that andy got apply one of the tools it's completely free
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and feel for yourself so that you know that this works because again my dad told me results matter
so the first clue that we could pull it off was when we realized how ridiculously far off the
experts were so the first thing we did is we approached this as engineers and that's a specific
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approach and what we first noticed was the entire industry the improvement industrial complex
incredibly complicated if you're struggling with anxiety procrastination people pleasing
low confidence sabotage stutting whatever you call it you go out into this world and there's
all these experts and this and that is it this is it my ego is it my trauma is it my past is it
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society is it my hormones is it my gender should I do an ice bucket challenge or should I walk on
fire should I visualize this should I do that is it simple or is the journey of change complicated. Andy let me ask you.
Well we make it complicated ultimately there is a million different solutions
to these things but are they really solutions I I don't know.
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Well that adds to the confusion. But even we make it confusing because for me I went out I was like okay what do I do and there was
all these experts and all these things and they had all different angles to come at none of them
solved anything and it was just very confusing so the engineer in me says if you really understand
something you can make it simple the einstein had equals mc squared he took something incredibly
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complicated made it simple newton looked at all of motion on the planet got it down to three laws
it's impressive so we said I think there's let's go look for a more a simple understanding because
there's not one and maybe there is one so the first thing we looked at was what's the approach
that people are being taught and is it is it getting results so the first thing we did was to
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simplify okay so what does that mean what we saw first was and this is a big insight
it feels like and we're taught that we have multiple problems
right I have procrastination I am a perfectionist I struggle with low self-esteem I have anxiety
I'm an anxious person I we're told and it feels like there's multiple problems but in reality
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you do not have multiple problems what you have is multiple symptoms of one thing which is fear
let me say that again you do not have multiple problems you have multiple symptoms of one thing
which is fear what that means is you could say you're anxious but really you could just say you
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have fear and that high level of fear you call anxiety you could call it procrastination or
you could say that you have a fear of starting and finishing things you could say you're a
perfectionist or you could say you have a fear of making a mistake you could say I'm a people
pleaser or you could say you're afraid people won't like you so you put them first and yourself
last and you could say well I have uh self-doubt or I'm insecure or you could say you have a fear
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of being your natural true authentic self so can you see that on some level what we're all
struggling with is different symptoms of fear does that at least make logical sense
absolutely absolutely it does and can you see that it's problematic that if you're being sent
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to the symptom level you're never going to solve it because you're always just working on the
symptom does that make sense yep absolutely and so the reason I bring it up is because people say
well I've had procrastination my whole life you can't possibly get rid of my procrastination
you know I've gone to coaches and therapists and they could I was like yeah because they sent you
to the symptom level you never stood a chance but does it make sense that if you address the root
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cause that you actually could be free of the symptoms that makes sense?
Absolutely this is the question I had in my head about if this research or data existed why didn't why haven't
other people thought about it in this way previously I mean that's fascinating to me.
They're not motivated. First of all every most of the trillion dollar improvement industrial complex
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is just regurgitating old concepts there's value in them you know mindset meditation
working on yourself goal setting working on your past it all has value but it's all regurgitated
information meditation's been around for thousands of years you know therapy's been around you know
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about 110 years and people are just regurgitating why because it's easy you learn something either
through your experience or from another teacher or a book or a school and you go out and you share
this thing that's already out there and you charge money for it what we did to innovate from scratch
was hard it was really really difficult but also we were innovators we wanted to innovate the
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average coach therapist guru they are not innovators most of the world isn't innovators
they regurgitate because that's easier but also they're not incentivized to solve we've gone
with our model to large personal development companies that claim to want to help people and
told them we have a solution they are not interested because the money is in the management
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the band-aids the repeat yeah I know people that make millions and would not make millions if they
could solve what we do not only is it six weeks you're in you're out but also we don't charge
people at the beginning we only charge our clients at the end when they have clear measurable data
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that what they have is gone and not coming back who does that yeah nobody of the million coaches
and therapists on the planet we're the only personal development company that lets you pay
at the end when you have measurable results and we track results as you go through the program
nobody else does that why because they can't because they're not innovators and they're not
incentivized why I don't know but I just know that that's why you want engineers because we're innovators.
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It's the anti-subscription model it's what it is ultimately.
Yeah it is. And we make way less money the money is in the management but the satisfaction is in the
solution every week uh this happened just a month ago I had a gentleman from vancouver
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an architect his name was will um procrastinator business owner and he was an anxious people
pleaser and he procrastinated so it affected his sales it affected his productivity he was not the
leader he wanted to be he was not making the money that he wanted to be and people were leaving his
company because he knew he was anxious and he wasn't fun to be around and he said look man I've
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spent more than you've spent on myself and this stuff isn't going anywhere and he said I was at
a conference and I met somebody that did your system and said that you only charge at the end
you get results he said I want to what that's impossible not uh six weeks no way but no risk to
try so he went through our program and around week four this is the value of having a system in
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innovation his productivity went from I think it was he could focus 10 minutes in a row at the
beginning of the program and that went up to 90 minutes in a row his overall productivity in what
he wanted to be doing went from I think it was about 45 minutes a day up to four hours a day
but also his energy levels went up by 40 his joy levels went up so he had more fun at work which
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made everybody else happier he was a better father he was a better husband but also other people in
the company then did the program so the entire company got happier more productive and more
efficient and more joyful and why because we wanted to innovate that's the power of innovation
in terms of making people's lives better now I want to explain to you the innovations that we made kind
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of the perceptual framework that make this even possible because your audience is listening you
thinking like this sounds great like how okay so first things first you don't have problems you
have symptoms of one thing which is fear so then we said all right well people already know fear
is an issue but most people just have fear management tools right you can meditate you
can exercise you can visualize and lower the fear but we said that's inefficient we want the fear
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gone so we looked at the usual model and the approach to fear which is getting bad results
meaning people aren't free of it anxiety is on the rise especially with our teens and the primary
approach to fear is that it's a problem of the mind you know you change your mindset change
your scarcity thinking stop the negative thoughts in your head cognitive behavioral therapy is
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cognition in the mind mindfulness mind meditations quiets the mind it's mind mind mind mind mind mind
now the mind is part of it the mind can say some negative scary things that can create fear but we
what we saw is that the mind is not the cause of the fear the mind again is a symptom of where fear
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is actually originating which is not the mind but the body let me say that again fear does not
originate in the mind fear originates in the body and then spreads to the mind it's not theory this
is how humans are wired where our body feels things and then sends signals to the mind and
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the mind is like a little computer which gets the body what it needs you feel hunger in the
body first then the mind senses that hunger and then figures out how to get food if you're out
in the jungle and you hear a sound in the bushes you'll feel fear in the body first your mind
senses the fear and then kicks in and tries to solve the problem so it's body first mind second
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not the other way around so for reasons which I'll explain in a bit everybody's body is cranking
out too much fear then the mind senses that fear in the body and thinks there's a problem and then
starts going oh my god there's a problem your money your finances you suck your father was right oh
my god oh my god oh my god and and then I'll get you stuck into a feedback loop which we call the
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spin cycle but if we want to look at the root cause fear actually originates in the body and
you know that because if you say I'm anxious do you say I think anxious or I feel anxious
it's feel yeah it's feelings and you feel it in your chest your heart your throat your stomach
listen to those words chest heart throat stomach does that sound like the mind to you or the body
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nope all body all body now when I say it you think huh it makes a lot of sense it does make sense
because it's true the problem is the experts sent you and charged you a lot of money just sent you
to the literal wrong location I don't know why they weren't paying attention they make more money
that way but this is why you haven't been able to solve any of this this is why you can't get
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your mind to quiet down so I'm sharing this information with you a to show you why it's
possible that if we go to the right location we're going to get better results but also so
that you can have compassion for yourself and realize why your mind won't shut up it's because
the mind is a symptom of the body and if you can realize if we go to the right place you could be
free of this it can give you it can give you hope I had a woman who came to us this is like six months
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crippling anxiety and her mind wouldn't shut the hell up and it was torturing her
and she's like it's my mind it's my mind my mind is so negative you know my dad did this one
mine mine mine and she goes and I and I can't get my mind to quiet and I should be able to
and my guru said I need to kill the ego and I said you can't because it's a symptom
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of where it's actually coming from which is the body and she said if you could get my body to
quiet down and my mind to quiet down I would have such a better life so about four weeks in she
sends me this message and she said oh my god I said what she said you're right it's in the body
and not only am I feeling calmer because I know where to focus but also I have hope that for the
first time in my life I can actually be free of this stuff why not because we have magic or
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witchcraft or we went to hogwarts but because we just went to the right location and the right
location is that the root cause of fear is not the mind but where andy it's in the body my friend
in the body and I'll explain where in the body and why you're feeling this fear but again you
went through that 90 minute training I did and you kind of experienced this more deeply and can
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you just share from your experience did you see that yes in fact the fear is coming from the body and was there value in that insight?
100% and it was gut it was pretty much 100 for the particular thing that I was investigating 100% gut.
Yeah and while that's a simple insight is that what's being taught?
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No but it's not even what I thought previously because I was just wrestling with my
head and thinking it was all in my head and so you know me going through the experience my first mind
blow was you just said oh it's common sense this is the thing that's bothering me is yes it is but
I haven't thought about that before why haven't I not tuned into what the body is telling me and I'm
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no scientist I'm no guru in any of this sort of stuff I'm not even an expert in many things but
it just I felt daft thinking about it like that makes so much sense you know that's where it is
well um I understand it's so simple when people see how simple this is they'll say like why the
hell a didn't I figure this out sooner b why didn't the experts tell us it's because they
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weren't looking for a solution but also history has shown that there are simple solutions sitting
right under our noses it takes someone to go looking for that simple solution you know in the
mid 1800s more soldiers were dying in recovery than on the battlefield from infection and everybody
just accepted that that was part of it but florence nightingale that british nurse looked and said
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this is a problem we got to solve this and she went to the generals and the doctors and said
this is a problem more soldiers are dying in recovery and they just basically said like that's
just part of war but she didn't she couldn't accept that she paid attention and she discovered that
the simple cause of the infection was bad hygiene and if we just change the bandages open the
windows and move the soldiers away from the toilets the death rate dropped by 90 percent
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by something simple sitting right under everybody's nose so there's historical precedents
that the simple thing gets missed because people are just in their old paradigms and they're not
looking for a simple solution so it's not because you're daft it's because there's a trillion dollar
industry that tells you it's in the mind but it's not and that's why people are struggling
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unnecessarily and it breaks my heart so I hope 30 years from now just like changing bandages
and moving people away from toilets that have open wounds is common sense I hope addressing our
problems in the body is common sense um yeah I I wish this I wish your mind wasn't blown by this
simple effing thing but it is um we're trying to get this program into schools and getting it to
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kids at a young age so that we can get them healthy and calm and confident at a young age
so they don't spend decades trying to quiet their mind when if you quiet the body the mind goes
with it I have a very very very quiet mind it's like it's like a scene from bambi before the mom
gets murdered in my mind but it used to be just constant attacks remember the grumpy judges from
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the muppets those like mean judges that I had the grumpy judges from the muppets on meth in my head
from age 15 to 40 and when I applied our tools to my body the body calmed down and my mind went quiet
and it's just it's beautiful and there's little butterflies and my mind even says nice things to
me I'm getting older I'm losing my hair I'm not making this up this morning I looked in the mirror
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and I was like I'd do me! It's wonderful not only do you quiet the negative thoughts you have positive thoughts so....
I'm still reeling over Stadler and Waldorf on Meth! I mean that's an image I'm not going to get away from for the rest of the day, my friend.
Now I want to explain another piece of what we discovered that
makes this possible and again simple the key to what we've discovered is it's simple and the tools
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that we developed are simple easy to apply and easy to stick with because when you have something
simple and easy to do that addresses the root cause as you can imagine you get much better
results when people say how do you have a 90 success rate and how can you charge at the end
when people get results because we have something simple mechanical that addresses the root cause and
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is easy to do and stick with and when you get that combination you get great results so how is
this possible well once we realized it was coming from the body we then said well we got to figure
out where on the body and ideally a way that's simple and mechanical versus theoretical and
abstract mechanical understandings are really great when you understand something mechanically
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versus abstract if you're choking and a coach walks up to you and says oh I think you have a real
scarcity mindset around air uh I think you're really focusing on your lack of air instead of
the abundance that of air and it seems like your ego is very attached to breathing so if you could
just kill the ego and be in your heart or somebody walks up and says hey here's the issue you have a
mechanical obstruction of your windpipe and I'm going to add mechanical pressure to your stomach
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which puts air pressure behind the blockage and will pop it out so that air can get into your lungs
which would you rather have an approach that's uh spiritual uh perceptual or mechanical.
I'll take the mechanical please Daniel. ("Why?") Because it's going to get results mate, it's going to avoid it's going to clear the blockage immediately.
Immediately and reliably and it's simple now you at the end of the
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90 minute training the one that I want I'm going to give to your audience there's a technique that
we have you apply it's one of our techniques was the technique simple and easy to apply uh yep
absolutely and when you applied it did you feel a measurable drop in either fear or anxiety in your body?
Yep from the score I apportioned at the start of the experiments to the final piece yes there was a there was a marked drop.
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And can you see based in what you experienced that if somebody
else did the same technique can you see that they would also get...
I can only imagine that they... I can only imagine that they that they would okay and I was dealing with something that I didn't think
was major and I still experienced uh a marked drop so I would imagine if you're dealing with something
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like crazy powerful then you're gonna see a benefit.
Yeah some people that go go through the training that I'm gonna send your audience give your audience uh it's profound what they're
able to feel in five minutes because again we're going to the root cause and it works I had a
woman who just uh from that one technique she said I have tried meditation I've done yoga I've done
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therapy I've done breath work for 20 years she said I have not felt a level of calm like that
ever ever and that was from one five minute technique some people that experience a lot
of anxiety feel that big drop but some people like yourself that might not have high anxiety
but can feel anxiety there's still a drop but the point is not how much of a drop the point is
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when you apply this simple tool to the body do you feel measurably calmer and the answer is yes
because that's a result so how do we pull this off and how do we make something simple and repeatable
in everybody because we're going to the body and the body everybody has the same body everybody
has a skeleton everybody has lungs everybody has a heart it's all the same and the beauty of the
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body is it's systems the skeleton is a system the heart is a system your teeth are a system your eyes
are a system and the thing about systems is we know that systems can malfunction and cause problems and
systems can be repaired so we just said well let's find the system in the body that's creating the
fear if there's a system systems can be repaired and they have mechanics of systems so once we ask
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that smart intelligent question because we're trying to find a solution the answer was really
really really simple so simple that you kind of already know what it is and almost feels like
common sense okay so let's take out the word fear let's take out the word anxiety and let's swap in
the word nervous okay and let's just say the whole planet is experiencing different symptoms
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of nervousness a lot of nervousness will call anxiety medium nervousness will call self-doubt
and worry meet other nervousness is creating rise to the procrastination the people pleasing the
perfectionism and low com but let's just let's use the word nervous okay all right to you andy
and your audience that loves simplicity pop quiz if you had to guess what system in the body
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is most likely malfunctioning and making people nervous do you think it's the a
epidermal system b the capillary system or c the nervous system what system do you think is making people nervous?
I really appreciate the clues
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um I'm I'm gonna go for the nervous system ("And why are you gonna go for the nervous system Andy?")
Because that's that's the link right, that's the link between nerves, feeling nervous, the nervous
system, the generation of nerves, the feelings in the body where the nervous system hangs out in
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the body what it does or it all links. ("Is it is that a complicated reasoning or a simple reasoning?"). I think I made it more complicated than it needed to be but yes it's simple.
It's simple we're feeling
nervous there's a bot system in the body literally called the nervous system which you'd think would
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be the first place people would look but where do the experts go the mind no you're not paying
attention we have an entire planet of nervous people and there's a system in the body called
nervous system and you send people to the mind and after a hundred years of horrible results
you're still sending people to the mind wake up it was sitting right there literally under
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everybody's nose the nervous system okay if the nervous system is running correctly if it's
properly taken care of you experience a feeling that all people want to feel which is to feel safe
your nervous system is your body's natural threat response system if it is healthy you feel
safe if you feel safe you don't have fear if you don't have fear you don't have anxiety
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procrastination pleasing perfectionism and low confidence if however you don't know how to take
care of your nervous system which nobody is eventually it starts to malfunction and you feel
unsafe when you feel unsafe it gives rise to fear and that fear then gives rise to anxiety
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procrastination people pleasing perfectionism and low confidence so can you see the mechanical
linkage that what were your experience that you don't have problems what you have is symptoms
of the nervous system which is malfunctioning making you feel unsafe which is creating fear
and then creating these symptoms does that make logical sense?
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It does make logical sense, it does make logical sense. It's the feeling of what are... the question of why are we feeling nervous
that takes you straight up to the brain again and the mind rather than thinking about what's
mechanically going on ("repeat the question"). Well it's not a question it's just a feeling I have
is that this this thing about going to the mind instead of the body you know when you think about
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why are we feeling nervous because it's a why question where do we do all the consideration?
We do the consideration up in up in the mind so we're bypassing the problem again going straight
to thinking about it rather than going to root cause like like you're saying. That's the that's
the that's the weird logic that I ended up going through on this thing just getting it straight in my head.
Again it's not weird when you understand how humans are wired. Two things again you were told
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the problem was the mind if a whole bunch of experts that have letters at the end of their
name and they're giving ted talks and they're looking smart and they all are telling you it's
mind it's understandable you're gonna think it's a mind problem it also looks like it's the mind
because the mind is saying horrible scary things and then you're feeling horrible and scared
and unless you spend eight years of research and testing to go against that and have a certain
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disposition to innovate and problem solving which not everybody does it's understandable to think
it's the mind but also unconsciously we want to believe it's the mind because we like that oh
if I can just figure this out we love that the western oh we can just figure it out I'll just
figure it out oh but also we like that it's the mind because then we can avoid what we love to
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avoid which is feeling so unconsciously we sort of like the whole mind angle it doesn't work
yeah but humans don't like to feel so we sort of secretly kind of like the mind idea because
if we could solve all these problems that feeling wouldn't that be nice so our program does require
you to feel but you have to feel for six weeks and then you get to be free for the rest of your life
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so that's a pretty good roi but the the the value of this is I want to understand this information
that I'm sharing with your audience if you just take the information it's useless you can't take
anything I'm sharing and use it and the reason I bring this up is because there's so many podcasts
where experts go on and they share information but it's not really helpful it won't really make
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your life better it just adds to your misery and you just know more about your misery and I don't
want to add to that so this information I'm being clear it it can't help you in and of itself what
it is is going to give you a perceptual framework and understanding that being free of this is at
least possible why because it's a systems issue does it make sense that there's a system in the
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body called the nervous system that's making everybody nervous and does it make sense that
if you don't take care of a system it can malfunction and be out of whack does that make
sense yeah of course it does okay now the reason that it's out of whack is because we were never
taught to take care of it if you don't take care of all the systems in the body they all
malfunction if you don't get enough sleep don't brush your teeth don't eat correctly don't get
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enough sleep systems in the body don't drink enough water will start to malfunction so does
it make sense that we were never taught to take daily care of our nervous system and now it's
malfunctioning does that make sense yeah of course it does yeah okay now here's why that insight and
that approach is so revolutionary if all these problems that we have anxiety procrastination
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people-pleasing perfectionism low confidence feeling stuck all of it is symptoms of this fear
and that fear is a symptom of just little acts of not taking care of something each day
bad news is you're always going to have it if you don't learn to take care of your nervous system
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it's always going to be out of whack you're always going to feel unsafe and you're always
going to have these symptoms that's the bad news but if we want a simple solvable solution
to address the root cause why is it good news that the whole problem is caused by little acts
of care that have gone missing why is that actually good news?
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Well I'm assuming it's because you can find a system to care for that system there's a way of caring for that system there's a way of making it better.
Yes but the way to care for it is really simple if the problem is
just that we didn't take care of something like if you have gained weight it's not a mystery it's
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not your childhood it's not false fat appearing real it's not a fatty mindset you neglected your
diet every day and those little acts of neglecting your diet accumulated to create the excess fat
but if you want to lose fat is that simple and easy to do no no if you want to lose the fat
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is it easy and simple to do well you've got to exercise you've got to have the will to do it
it's gonna take some work right but it's totally doable yeah if the reason you gain the weight is
because you ate more calories than you burned then you can burn the fat by just being healthier going
from unhealth to health your body burns the fat and the fat goes away it's simple it's doable. Make sense?
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Yeah and you're saying the same thing for the nervous system?
100% it's just another system in the body we don't know how to take care of it so it's malfunctioning but if you go from
little acts of uncare to little acts of care the system heals itself and the fear goes away that
is the power of this insight at the six-week program that we teach you gives you all the
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tools and you need multiple tools working together the simple easy to follow instructions of what to
do on what day and what order such that if you follow the steps you get the result which is that
your nervous system just comes back to help when it comes back to help you your default is to feel
safe from the inside out so if you had a simple easy to apply system that brought your nervous
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system back to health such that you just felt safe to you andy and your audience how would your
life be better in all areas if you woke up every morning and your whole system your default was you
just felt safe from the inside out how would life be better? How would you be a better person, better leader, better business owner. How would your life be better?
Listen I would get on with a
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lot more stuff than not than whittling about it I would be definitely more proactive I would like
to think in that all of those actions I would be happier and more successful and better to be around
and uh that's that's enough on its own but I bet there'll be a ton more.
There is a ton more. People come to us because it's all one root cause people usually come to us for one thing they'll
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say I'm really struggling with anxiety or I have a lot of procrastination this happened two years ago
this gentleman came crippling perfectionism uh so he couldn't he had all these books he wanted to
write he couldn't he couldn't finish it because he was a perfectionist so four weeks into our
program he had already written a first draft for a book that he'd been trying to write for years
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but then his energy levels he was much happier he was much more authentic his marriage improved and
his kids were calmer because they were watching what he was his entire life he also quit drink I
mean the whole thing and because we we don't charge extra when you get what we charge you for one thing
but you get multiple benefits but also you're just free when you don't have all this deep fear
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you're free to be authentic to fulfill your potential to do what you really love you make
way more money with way less work and if you're a business owner people want to be around you
because you're happier and you're a more loving generous caring boss it just makes all areas of
your life better we're not meant to operate with this low level and high level fear running all the
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time so we help people with these symptoms but really what we're giving people is permanent easy
access to their full potential in all areas of their lives can I get an amen Andy?
Amen, brother. I mean this is what this is what's really fascinating about your system and I I had a
a small taste of it and it has definitely changed the way I think about stuff and the way I feel
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about stuff uh already so and listen you don't take my word for it there are you only have to
look you up on the internet and there are loads and loads of testimonials of people saying hey hey
this is not a thing this is a thing this is happening this is real and so I think it's
fantastic you're able to come on the show and and share this with people today and we're going to
put this link in the show notes so people can go through the same thing I did and make up their own mind.
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Yeah I that's what I want. Again I know people are skeptical I know they've tried a lot of
things they're over promised and under delivered so um I want them to experience this for them
first for themselves firsthand so they can feel and get a result so again this information that
I've shared with andy and you uh it can't actually make your life better but this information wasn't
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meant to make your life better it's to create a logical framework that it at least makes sense
that it's possible that you could be free of the things that have held you back quickly and easily
so let's just recap does it make sense I'm asking you andy and your audience does at least make
sense that at the root of what we're struggling with often is some sensation of fear does that
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make sense it it does yeah yes and does it make logical sense that fear isn't originating in the
mind but it's actually originating in the body does that at least make sense it does make sense
now and does it make logical sense that the system in the body that's creating this fear is something
called the nervous system does that at least make sense that the nervous system is malfunctioning
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and making people nervous does that make sense yeah it makes sense and does it make sense that
systems in the body could be malfunctioning in this case the nervous system and making you nervous
but then we know that systems can be repaired such that the nervous system would repair itself
does that at least make sense I guess so absolutely and if we repair the system that's at
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the root cause of your symptoms does it make sense that we could heal the root cause which is the
nervous system the fear would go away and then the symptoms of the fear would go away does that at
least make logical sense I follow the logic Daniel I follow the logic so if all of that at least makes
enough sense that you are curious to see if this could work for you then the next logical step is
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for you to go to our website danielpacker.com and there you can download this free 90-minute training
that andy experienced is called from stuck to unstoppable and you're going to see firsthand
the thing that you're doing that's accidentally making your nervous system crank out all this
nervousness that you didn't know made sense but trust me it's simple and you're going to wonder
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why nobody taught you this before and then you're going to apply one of the techniques that we
developed and you are going to feel measurably because you're going to measure your fear and
anxiety levels and you're going to feel measurably calmer andy felt measurably calmer and I you're
going to feel measurably calmer and so that's the next step is to experience this for yourself
and you can do that by going again to danielpacker.com and downloading that free training "From stuck to unstoppable."
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Beautiful, beautiful stuff Daniel and we're going to put all of that
in the show notes I normally end the show with something I call sticky notes right which is like
three tiny little summarized things you could stick on sticky notes and I'm thinking about
all the things that we've talked about today if you had your choice of three little sticky notes
Daniel what would you whack on yours uh oh what a sticky yummy question also I do feel sticky notes
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could be the follow-up album from sticking from the inside out sticky notes uh so the question is
out of everything I shared what would be three sticky notes?
Yeah I know I know what I would put on one of mine if I was to nick one of your sticky notes ("I want to hear yours first"). Well I
would definitely go with the the mind is a symptom of the body because that's the thing that's been
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rattling around in my noggin since going through the training. You know if I was going to nick one
of your sticky notes that's why I would stick on one of those. You've got two left what would you put on yours?
So I guess what I would let people know is when you don't know what I just
shared that the root cause is fear fear is coming from the body and this is solvable by just taking
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better care of it and it's all simple and it's all solvable most people don't know this because we
innovated it and when you don't know it you're stuck in this hamster wheel of repetition of your
patterns and then what happens is we start to blame ourselves and we start to think well the
experts told me I need to do this and I did and it didn't work and we start to feel there's something
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wrong with us and that we're broken which just adds to the problems and I want to let everybody
know uh this is not your fault the experts sent you to the wrong location did not give you a
solution they weren't even trying to solve it so what I would put on the sticky note is it's not
your fault slash there's nothing wrong with you second sticky note which is going to be a whole
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sheet of paper there is something wrong with the experts that you trusted you can be free of these
patterns if you have an approach that simple addresses the root cause and would develop by
engineers who want to solve things the final thing I would say is stop reading sticky notes and take
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action and go to get the free training don't just learn a bunch of stuff and go oh that was fast oh
he's right it's the body oh how interesting useless that will not help you if you want to be free of
this for yourself for your company for your children take action put the sticky notes down
take action go to danielpackard.com and download the free training so that you can experience this for yourself, firsthand.
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Brilliant! Daniel you are a force of nature my friend it's been amazing to
get to know you in such a short space of time thank you so much for coming on and pouring all of your
love passion and energy for this topic into this episode I can't say how much I appreciate it my
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friend it was truly my honor thank you for having me and thanks for appreciating what we're doing
hey no problem my friend you take care okay everyone that was Daniel packard and if you'd
like to find out a bit more about any of the topics we've talked about today or to click on
that link and go and take that training yourself then please check out the show notes so that
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concludes today's episode I hope you've enjoyed it found it interesting and heard something maybe
that will help you become a stickier more successful business from the inside going
forward if you have please like comment and subscribe it really helps I'm Andy Goram and
you've been listening to the Sticky From The Inside Podcast, until next time thanks for listening
Hello and welcome to Sticky from the Inside, the employee engagement podcast that looks at how to build stickier, competition smashing, consistently successful organisations from the inside out.
I'm your host Andy Goram and I'm on a mission to help more businesses turn the lights on behind the eyes of their employees, light the fires within them and create tonnes more success for everyone.
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This podcast is for all those who believe that's something worth going after and would like a little help and guidance in achieving that.
Each episode we dive into the topics that can help create what I call stickier businesses, the sort of businesses where people thrive and love to work and where more customers stay with you and recommend you to others because they love what you do and why you do it.
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So if you want to take the tricky out of being sticky, listen on.
Okay then, this is I think going to be a very different episode as we continue our quest to have more fulfilling work lives and if I'm honest it's making me a little anxious and that's pretty apt considering what we're going to be discussing today.
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Anxiety, fear, procrastination, people-pleasing, lack of self-confidence or as my guest today would call it the funky five.
These are things, feelings that at some time in our lives most of us will have experienced either at work or in our personal lives or most likely both.
Typically the normal Western way of treating these feelings is that we try to manage them through mental strategies, through some kind of therapy, practicing mindfulness or resilience training but what if we've been looking at it all wrong and what if these feelings aren't just something we have to cope with but things we can actually solve.
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My guest today is Daniel Packard also known to me as the internal engineer and he has spent in excess of eight years and over a million dollars in research and development looking at these issues from a unique engineering perspective.
Now this viewpoint has led him to create an innovative body-based approach aimed at actually solving and releasing people from these feelings.
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Now he boldly claims and has plenty of evidence all over the internet to back it up that his method doesn't just manage anxiety, fear, procrastination, lack of self-confidence, the need to people-please, it can permanently remove them in around six weeks.
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Intrigued?
Well I certainly was.
So much so that Daniel convinced me to experience a 90-minute sample of his training.
It was thought-provoking, illuminating and honestly it has left me thinking differently and with even more questions.
So today we're going to be diving deep into these questions, hearing about Daniel's groundbreaking discoveries and exploring how solving these things is possible and can really transform our work and lives.
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Daniel welcome to the show my friend.
Thank you so much for having me it's an honor to be here on the Sticky from the Inside podcast which I love the name both its business implications but also when I saw it I thought it would make a really good album for a heavy metal band you know like Motley Crue's you know 1991 Sticky from the Inside I don't know what do you think?
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I think there's a jam in there somewhere my friend I'm up for that. Maybe at the end of this we just hang on a little bit later knock a tune or two out that'd be amazing.
That would be great and thank you for the intro I want to be clear you know your audience are
professionals and business owners and leaders and their time is valuable and I'm not naive I know
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that they are dating other podcasts I know this is not the only podcast they're listening to
so I and their time is valuable so I want to share with your audiences real quickly what we're going
to be talking about that would be justify their time because their time is very valuable and that
is a few things one is we're not just going to be talking about anxiety and fear which we will be
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but really what we in my company call the funky five which is anxiety, procrastination, people
pleasing, perfectionism, and low confidence and low confidence can be fear, doubt, worry, caring
what people think of you and what we do that's really unique is that we help people that are
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struggling in two areas not just the funky five meaning anxiety, procrastination, people pleasing,
perfectionism, and low confidence but they they know what the issue is meaning they're aware
of the problem what they don't have is a how a very simple systematic how to be free of what
they're struggling with they know the what they're really aware of the what what they don't
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have is a simple how and I'm going to be sharing with them how how do you be free of all this and
the second piece is again your audience already knows the what and they probably already have tools
that help manage the symptoms or gain awareness or make it not as bad but what I'm going to be
sharing with your audience is the breakthroughs that we made in a perceptual framework that make
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it possible so that you are free of the funky five in a matter of weeks that's what we're bringing
to people and this is valuable not only to business owners and leaders who just know that
they would be more productive and operate and lead from a higher level if they didn't have the fear
the procrastination the people pleasing caring what people think of you but also because what we do
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is an online system it makes it very scalable for organizations we're working with google
and nike because managers managers went through our program went oh my god you have a system
that's results focused and it's scalable and so that's the power that this can be brought
into organizations and then thirdly it's for parents who have children that are struggling
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with anxiety and low confidence and you can see that the therapists and psychologists aren't
solving it and it's heartbreaking so if you're a parent uh that has a child that is in pain and
you're feeling powerless this can also help so the reason I bring this up is your podcast is about
impact and there's different ways that you can make impact impact with yourself to be happier and more
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productive happier and that you can bring this to your company to make it more efficient and sticky
and then third is to impact your children in a profound way and so that's what we're going to be
sharing all that not just the what but the how to so you can move from managing the funky five to
being free of it how does that sound for a value-packed episode?
that's jam-packed mate and that's how we like to roll around here so that that is bang on message I'm really looking forward
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to it but I would also love to hear and I'd love you to share a little bit of your journey because
you come from a very different perspective and I wonder if you'd be kind enough just to share
the background that you've you've had and how you've got to this point of getting to where you've got to
Yeah I'd be happy to partly because you know I think it's important that people know
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where this basically it's a inner technology that we develop but also when you tell people oh we
have a system where you can be free of what you've had your entire life in a matter of weeks
people are understandably skeptical so I think when they understand where these innovations come from
it makes more sense so the the passion of my company which is full liberation technology is
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results we care about results when when we work with people we measure results we track results
as we developed our systems it was all about getting results and as business owners
you know results matter but results normally doesn't matter in the personal development
spirituality space the result and the reason results matter so much to me is because when
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I was growing up my dad was a physicist and you know he sat me down when I was about 10 and he said
you know anybody can have a theory uh but you never know who to trust you don't ever
you never know whose theory is accurate it's the person that gets results that's the person that
you want to listen to and that's the person that you can trust and he what he said was
results matter which was a pretty heavy thing to lay on a 10 year old but it stuck with me
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this idea that results results matter and I he encouraged me to be an inventor he had a workshop
that he would let me go and make things and I loved making things figuring out problems and
making things to get results it's very satisfying when you solve the puzzle and you get something
that gets results so then I went to engineering school to be professionally trained on how to
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see a problem break it down into smaller mechanical pieces build a prototype and then design refine
and develop something that gets results and it's a certain mindset it's a certain skill set
and I was good at getting results now the good news was that engineering school taught me how
to make machines work but they did not teach me how to make life work so I could make a robot
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that could play ping pong but I was anxious insecure um perfectionism people-pleasing uh
self-doubt you name it I had it and like a lot of your audience I was aware of the problem
but I went and I went looking for help and I went to therapists and psychologists and gurus
and coaches and retreats and I was I was probably in a cult or two I was definitely in a cult at one
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point and uh you know I I spent 10 years and a million sorry I spent a hundred thousand dollars
on myself and 10 years and at the end of that 10 years and 100 grand I just
sort of went I'm still doing this shit andy I'm still insecure I'm still anxious I'm still
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people please I'm still I'm still there and I could feel there was this version of me
that was there I had occasional access to it but it wasn't consistent I felt stuck
but also I had tried so many things and spent so much money I was like I guess this is as good as it
it's gonna be and it was sad and also I was kind of angry and I remember one time I sort of looked
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up at the sky and just got mad at whoever's up there I was like hey this is what the f I said
I spent the last 10 years and 100 grand trying to improve myself and I'm still here like what do you
want from me I know this is a test but I'm trying to pass the test and I'm not what do you what do
you want from me and I was being rhetorically angry I didn't really expect a response but I
got this sort of voice that said what my dad told me at 10 which was results matter and I had this
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sort of sad epiphany that the entire what I call the improvement industrial complex personal
development spirituality coaching therapy psychology it doesn't get great results people
do it forever they never fully solve anything and nobody even tracks results or cares about results
and I said I'm in a lot of pain and the world's in a lot of pain and there's no innovation in this
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industry it's the same regurgitated stuff that's been around forever and I knew I was good at
problem-solving and innovating and getting making things that get results so I started my research
company for full liberation technology with the mission to see could we reverse engineer
an understanding of human struggle and a system that made it simple to address the root cause
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quickly and permanently so people could be free of it now I didn't know it was possible I just
mean I knew engineers are good at problem solving and somebody had to at least try so we
we went at it um and it was way harder than we thought it was not clear but that's the beauty of
engineers and inventors we are tenacious problem solvers so it took eight years over a million
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dollars in research and development we worked with thousands of people all over the world
and eventually we figured out a couple key simple innovations that make it possible to be
free of the funky five and um I know a lot of people say is that even possible and it's it's
what I live every day because I've used the tools longer than anybody I was an anxious insecure
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procrastination people pleaser perfectionist and now I wake up every morning and I'm just
calm it's my my default it's just calm and peaceful and I I mean this on a cellular level I
do not care what anybody thinks of me I can't which feels weird to say and what that opens you
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up and me up to is to really be the person you want to be to really make an impact to be consistently
joyful and energized and be the leader that you want to be and it's not because I'm enlightened
it's not because I'm special it's because I'm an engineer and we figured out how to solve this
quickly and permanently and then what I want to share with your audience is how they can live that consistent calm and full potential
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Which is which it just sounds it sounds like a nirvana um you
know as a for for many people and in my past I've had uh definite periods of anxiety I have a daughter
who suffers tremendously with anxiety um and to sort of sit here and be discussing oh yeah we can
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we've found a way to sort of free ourselves from that is remarkable um because much of it has been
about coping it with with these things getting getting by and and you're trying to sort of bring something else I wonder whether...
I want to interrupt it you said something very true but sad yeah I
said that we can be free of this and you're saying that sounds remarkable and it sounds remarkable
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because in this trillion dollar industry that's struggling with a t every year not one time every
year people are spending this money it sounds remarkable and it shouldn't be it shouldn't be
remarkable if you have a broken bone and you go to the doctor they put a cast on because they know
what a broken bone is you know what a broken bone is a bone that should be in one piece is in two
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pieces it's really simple then you put a cast on the bone and the bone heals and the bone goes from
two pieces to spoiler alert one piece and you're off and running and it's six to eight weeks nobody
says wow I used to have a broken leg but now I don't isn't that remarkable there's so many things
that we know how to solve but human suffering and pain we don't and it's sad that all these experts
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have had so long and they haven't figured out a way to be free of it and it's sad that it's
remarkable it really is and that's why I started my company because I don't want it to be remarkable
I want this to just be the way things are when you break a bone six to eight weeks it's fixed
if you have anxiety six to eight weeks it's fixed that's what the world needs so I had to interrupt
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because it is remarkable and I really wish it wasn't .
Well I thank you for interrupting. I think what I would really like to understand is the journey of discovery that you went on right
through this bit and and and whether and at what point did you as an engineer realize hey this is solvable not just manageable
We didn't well until we had the data yeah we were working with people
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until we had the data about four years in that we were not only getting people free of the symptoms
but it was permanent and we had a 90 success rate that's what we were most proud of we didn't want
it to work occasionally we thought if this is simple and basic it should work for everybody
when you put a cast on a cast on someone's bone it works for everybody it's incredible it works
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for everyone so until we saw the data we didn't know that we had cracked it uh and it's it's
important the data and the results is what matter and and I'm going to answer your question how we
got there but also at the end of this podcast I'm going to send your audience to my website to
download the same train that you got where they're going to apply one of the innovative tools that
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we developed so that they can experience this firsthand and get a result that they can trust
because right now I can tell you how we got there and some insights but the result is what
matters and I want your audience to have a result that they can feel so at the end go to my website
gamepire.com get this 90 minute training that andy got apply one of the tools it's completely free
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and feel for yourself so that you know that this works because again my dad told me results matter
so the first clue that we could pull it off was when we realized how ridiculously far off the
experts were so the first thing we did is we approached this as engineers and that's a specific
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approach and what we first noticed was the entire industry the improvement industrial complex
incredibly complicated if you're struggling with anxiety procrastination people pleasing
low confidence sabotage stutting whatever you call it you go out into this world and there's
all these experts and this and that is it this is it my ego is it my trauma is it my past is it
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society is it my hormones is it my gender should I do an ice bucket challenge or should I walk on
fire should I visualize this should I do that is it simple or is the journey of change complicated. Andy let me ask you.
Well we make it complicated ultimately there is a million different solutions
to these things but are they really solutions I I don't know.
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Well that adds to the confusion. But even we make it confusing because for me I went out I was like okay what do I do and there was
all these experts and all these things and they had all different angles to come at none of them
solved anything and it was just very confusing so the engineer in me says if you really understand
something you can make it simple the einstein had equals mc squared he took something incredibly
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complicated made it simple newton looked at all of motion on the planet got it down to three laws
it's impressive so we said I think there's let's go look for a more a simple understanding because
there's not one and maybe there is one so the first thing we looked at was what's the approach
that people are being taught and is it is it getting results so the first thing we did was to
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simplify okay so what does that mean what we saw first was and this is a big insight
it feels like and we're taught that we have multiple problems
right I have procrastination I am a perfectionist I struggle with low self-esteem I have anxiety
I'm an anxious person I we're told and it feels like there's multiple problems but in reality
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you do not have multiple problems what you have is multiple symptoms of one thing which is fear
let me say that again you do not have multiple problems you have multiple symptoms of one thing
which is fear what that means is you could say you're anxious but really you could just say you
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have fear and that high level of fear you call anxiety you could call it procrastination or
you could say that you have a fear of starting and finishing things you could say you're a
perfectionist or you could say you have a fear of making a mistake you could say I'm a people
pleaser or you could say you're afraid people won't like you so you put them first and yourself
last and you could say well I have uh self-doubt or I'm insecure or you could say you have a fear
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of being your natural true authentic self so can you see that on some level what we're all
struggling with is different symptoms of fear does that at least make logical sense
absolutely absolutely it does and can you see that it's problematic that if you're being sent
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to the symptom level you're never going to solve it because you're always just working on the
symptom does that make sense yep absolutely and so the reason I bring it up is because people say
well I've had procrastination my whole life you can't possibly get rid of my procrastination
you know I've gone to coaches and therapists and they could I was like yeah because they sent you
to the symptom level you never stood a chance but does it make sense that if you address the root
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cause that you actually could be free of the symptoms that makes sense?
Absolutely this is the question I had in my head about if this research or data existed why didn't why haven't
other people thought about it in this way previously I mean that's fascinating to me.
They're not motivated. First of all every most of the trillion dollar improvement industrial complex
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is just regurgitating old concepts there's value in them you know mindset meditation
working on yourself goal setting working on your past it all has value but it's all regurgitated
information meditation's been around for thousands of years you know therapy's been around you know
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about 110 years and people are just regurgitating why because it's easy you learn something either
through your experience or from another teacher or a book or a school and you go out and you share
this thing that's already out there and you charge money for it what we did to innovate from scratch
was hard it was really really difficult but also we were innovators we wanted to innovate the
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average coach therapist guru they are not innovators most of the world isn't innovators
they regurgitate because that's easier but also they're not incentivized to solve we've gone
with our model to large personal development companies that claim to want to help people and
told them we have a solution they are not interested because the money is in the management
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the band-aids the repeat yeah I know people that make millions and would not make millions if they
could solve what we do not only is it six weeks you're in you're out but also we don't charge
people at the beginning we only charge our clients at the end when they have clear measurable data
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that what they have is gone and not coming back who does that yeah nobody of the million coaches
and therapists on the planet we're the only personal development company that lets you pay
at the end when you have measurable results and we track results as you go through the program
nobody else does that why because they can't because they're not innovators and they're not
incentivized why I don't know but I just know that that's why you want engineers because we're innovators.
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It's the anti-subscription model it's what it is ultimately.
Yeah it is. And we make way less money the money is in the management but the satisfaction is in the
solution every week uh this happened just a month ago I had a gentleman from vancouver
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an architect his name was will um procrastinator business owner and he was an anxious people
pleaser and he procrastinated so it affected his sales it affected his productivity he was not the
leader he wanted to be he was not making the money that he wanted to be and people were leaving his
company because he knew he was anxious and he wasn't fun to be around and he said look man I've
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spent more than you've spent on myself and this stuff isn't going anywhere and he said I was at
a conference and I met somebody that did your system and said that you only charge at the end
you get results he said I want to what that's impossible not uh six weeks no way but no risk to
try so he went through our program and around week four this is the value of having a system in
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innovation his productivity went from I think it was he could focus 10 minutes in a row at the
beginning of the program and that went up to 90 minutes in a row his overall productivity in what
he wanted to be doing went from I think it was about 45 minutes a day up to four hours a day
but also his energy levels went up by 40 his joy levels went up so he had more fun at work which
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made everybody else happier he was a better father he was a better husband but also other people in
the company then did the program so the entire company got happier more productive and more
efficient and more joyful and why because we wanted to innovate that's the power of innovation
in terms of making people's lives better now I want to explain to you the innovations that we made kind
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of the perceptual framework that make this even possible because your audience is listening you
thinking like this sounds great like how okay so first things first you don't have problems you
have symptoms of one thing which is fear so then we said all right well people already know fear
is an issue but most people just have fear management tools right you can meditate you
can exercise you can visualize and lower the fear but we said that's inefficient we want the fear
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gone so we looked at the usual model and the approach to fear which is getting bad results
meaning people aren't free of it anxiety is on the rise especially with our teens and the primary
approach to fear is that it's a problem of the mind you know you change your mindset change
your scarcity thinking stop the negative thoughts in your head cognitive behavioral therapy is
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cognition in the mind mindfulness mind meditations quiets the mind it's mind mind mind mind mind mind
now the mind is part of it the mind can say some negative scary things that can create fear but we
what we saw is that the mind is not the cause of the fear the mind again is a symptom of where fear
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is actually originating which is not the mind but the body let me say that again fear does not
originate in the mind fear originates in the body and then spreads to the mind it's not theory this
is how humans are wired where our body feels things and then sends signals to the mind and
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the mind is like a little computer which gets the body what it needs you feel hunger in the
body first then the mind senses that hunger and then figures out how to get food if you're out
in the jungle and you hear a sound in the bushes you'll feel fear in the body first your mind
senses the fear and then kicks in and tries to solve the problem so it's body first mind second
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not the other way around so for reasons which I'll explain in a bit everybody's body is cranking
out too much fear then the mind senses that fear in the body and thinks there's a problem and then
starts going oh my god there's a problem your money your finances you suck your father was right oh
my god oh my god oh my god and and then I'll get you stuck into a feedback loop which we call the
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spin cycle but if we want to look at the root cause fear actually originates in the body and
you know that because if you say I'm anxious do you say I think anxious or I feel anxious
it's feel yeah it's feelings and you feel it in your chest your heart your throat your stomach
listen to those words chest heart throat stomach does that sound like the mind to you or the body
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nope all body all body now when I say it you think huh it makes a lot of sense it does make sense
because it's true the problem is the experts sent you and charged you a lot of money just sent you
to the literal wrong location I don't know why they weren't paying attention they make more money
that way but this is why you haven't been able to solve any of this this is why you can't get
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your mind to quiet down so I'm sharing this information with you a to show you why it's
possible that if we go to the right location we're going to get better results but also so
that you can have compassion for yourself and realize why your mind won't shut up it's because
the mind is a symptom of the body and if you can realize if we go to the right place you could be
free of this it can give you it can give you hope I had a woman who came to us this is like six months
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crippling anxiety and her mind wouldn't shut the hell up and it was torturing her
and she's like it's my mind it's my mind my mind is so negative you know my dad did this one
mine mine mine and she goes and I and I can't get my mind to quiet and I should be able to
and my guru said I need to kill the ego and I said you can't because it's a symptom
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of where it's actually coming from which is the body and she said if you could get my body to
quiet down and my mind to quiet down I would have such a better life so about four weeks in she
sends me this message and she said oh my god I said what she said you're right it's in the body
and not only am I feeling calmer because I know where to focus but also I have hope that for the
first time in my life I can actually be free of this stuff why not because we have magic or
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witchcraft or we went to hogwarts but because we just went to the right location and the right
location is that the root cause of fear is not the mind but where andy it's in the body my friend
in the body and I'll explain where in the body and why you're feeling this fear but again you
went through that 90 minute training I did and you kind of experienced this more deeply and can
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you just share from your experience did you see that yes in fact the fear is coming from the body and was there value in that insight?
100% and it was gut it was pretty much 100 for the particular thing that I was investigating 100% gut.
Yeah and while that's a simple insight is that what's being taught?
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No but it's not even what I thought previously because I was just wrestling with my
head and thinking it was all in my head and so you know me going through the experience my first mind
blow was you just said oh it's common sense this is the thing that's bothering me is yes it is but
I haven't thought about that before why haven't I not tuned into what the body is telling me and I'm
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no scientist I'm no guru in any of this sort of stuff I'm not even an expert in many things but
it just I felt daft thinking about it like that makes so much sense you know that's where it is
well um I understand it's so simple when people see how simple this is they'll say like why the
hell a didn't I figure this out sooner b why didn't the experts tell us it's because they
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weren't looking for a solution but also history has shown that there are simple solutions sitting
right under our noses it takes someone to go looking for that simple solution you know in the
mid 1800s more soldiers were dying in recovery than on the battlefield from infection and everybody
just accepted that that was part of it but florence nightingale that british nurse looked and said
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this is a problem we got to solve this and she went to the generals and the doctors and said
this is a problem more soldiers are dying in recovery and they just basically said like that's
just part of war but she didn't she couldn't accept that she paid attention and she discovered that
the simple cause of the infection was bad hygiene and if we just change the bandages open the
windows and move the soldiers away from the toilets the death rate dropped by 90 percent
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by something simple sitting right under everybody's nose so there's historical precedents
that the simple thing gets missed because people are just in their old paradigms and they're not
looking for a simple solution so it's not because you're daft it's because there's a trillion dollar
industry that tells you it's in the mind but it's not and that's why people are struggling
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unnecessarily and it breaks my heart so I hope 30 years from now just like changing bandages
and moving people away from toilets that have open wounds is common sense I hope addressing our
problems in the body is common sense um yeah I I wish this I wish your mind wasn't blown by this
simple effing thing but it is um we're trying to get this program into schools and getting it to
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kids at a young age so that we can get them healthy and calm and confident at a young age
so they don't spend decades trying to quiet their mind when if you quiet the body the mind goes
with it I have a very very very quiet mind it's like it's like a scene from bambi before the mom
gets murdered in my mind but it used to be just constant attacks remember the grumpy judges from
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the muppets those like mean judges that I had the grumpy judges from the muppets on meth in my head
from age 15 to 40 and when I applied our tools to my body the body calmed down and my mind went quiet
and it's just it's beautiful and there's little butterflies and my mind even says nice things to
me I'm getting older I'm losing my hair I'm not making this up this morning I looked in the mirror
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and I was like I'd do me! It's wonderful not only do you quiet the negative thoughts you have positive thoughts so....
I'm still reeling over Stadler and Waldorf on Meth! I mean that's an image I'm not going to get away from for the rest of the day, my friend.
Now I want to explain another piece of what we discovered that
makes this possible and again simple the key to what we've discovered is it's simple and the tools
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that we developed are simple easy to apply and easy to stick with because when you have something
simple and easy to do that addresses the root cause as you can imagine you get much better
results when people say how do you have a 90 success rate and how can you charge at the end
when people get results because we have something simple mechanical that addresses the root cause and
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is easy to do and stick with and when you get that combination you get great results so how is
this possible well once we realized it was coming from the body we then said well we got to figure
out where on the body and ideally a way that's simple and mechanical versus theoretical and
abstract mechanical understandings are really great when you understand something mechanically
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versus abstract if you're choking and a coach walks up to you and says oh I think you have a real
scarcity mindset around air uh I think you're really focusing on your lack of air instead of
the abundance that of air and it seems like your ego is very attached to breathing so if you could
just kill the ego and be in your heart or somebody walks up and says hey here's the issue you have a
mechanical obstruction of your windpipe and I'm going to add mechanical pressure to your stomach
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which puts air pressure behind the blockage and will pop it out so that air can get into your lungs
which would you rather have an approach that's uh spiritual uh perceptual or mechanical.
I'll take the mechanical please Daniel. ("Why?") Because it's going to get results mate, it's going to avoid it's going to clear the blockage immediately.
Immediately and reliably and it's simple now you at the end of the
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90 minute training the one that I want I'm going to give to your audience there's a technique that
we have you apply it's one of our techniques was the technique simple and easy to apply uh yep
absolutely and when you applied it did you feel a measurable drop in either fear or anxiety in your body?
Yep from the score I apportioned at the start of the experiments to the final piece yes there was a there was a marked drop.
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And can you see based in what you experienced that if somebody
else did the same technique can you see that they would also get...
I can only imagine that they... I can only imagine that they that they would okay and I was dealing with something that I didn't think
was major and I still experienced uh a marked drop so I would imagine if you're dealing with something
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like crazy powerful then you're gonna see a benefit.
Yeah some people that go go through the training that I'm gonna send your audience give your audience uh it's profound what they're
able to feel in five minutes because again we're going to the root cause and it works I had a
woman who just uh from that one technique she said I have tried meditation I've done yoga I've done
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therapy I've done breath work for 20 years she said I have not felt a level of calm like that
ever ever and that was from one five minute technique some people that experience a lot
of anxiety feel that big drop but some people like yourself that might not have high anxiety
but can feel anxiety there's still a drop but the point is not how much of a drop the point is
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when you apply this simple tool to the body do you feel measurably calmer and the answer is yes
because that's a result so how do we pull this off and how do we make something simple and repeatable
in everybody because we're going to the body and the body everybody has the same body everybody
has a skeleton everybody has lungs everybody has a heart it's all the same and the beauty of the
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body is it's systems the skeleton is a system the heart is a system your teeth are a system your eyes
are a system and the thing about systems is we know that systems can malfunction and cause problems and
systems can be repaired so we just said well let's find the system in the body that's creating the
fear if there's a system systems can be repaired and they have mechanics of systems so once we ask
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that smart intelligent question because we're trying to find a solution the answer was really
really really simple so simple that you kind of already know what it is and almost feels like
common sense okay so let's take out the word fear let's take out the word anxiety and let's swap in
the word nervous okay and let's just say the whole planet is experiencing different symptoms
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of nervousness a lot of nervousness will call anxiety medium nervousness will call self-doubt
and worry meet other nervousness is creating rise to the procrastination the people pleasing the
perfectionism and low com but let's just let's use the word nervous okay all right to you andy
and your audience that loves simplicity pop quiz if you had to guess what system in the body
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is most likely malfunctioning and making people nervous do you think it's the a
epidermal system b the capillary system or c the nervous system what system do you think is making people nervous?
I really appreciate the clues
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um I'm I'm gonna go for the nervous system ("And why are you gonna go for the nervous system Andy?")
Because that's that's the link right, that's the link between nerves, feeling nervous, the nervous
system, the generation of nerves, the feelings in the body where the nervous system hangs out in
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the body what it does or it all links. ("Is it is that a complicated reasoning or a simple reasoning?"). I think I made it more complicated than it needed to be but yes it's simple.
It's simple we're feeling
nervous there's a bot system in the body literally called the nervous system which you'd think would
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be the first place people would look but where do the experts go the mind no you're not paying
attention we have an entire planet of nervous people and there's a system in the body called
nervous system and you send people to the mind and after a hundred years of horrible results
you're still sending people to the mind wake up it was sitting right there literally under
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everybody's nose the nervous system okay if the nervous system is running correctly if it's
properly taken care of you experience a feeling that all people want to feel which is to feel safe
your nervous system is your body's natural threat response system if it is healthy you feel
safe if you feel safe you don't have fear if you don't have fear you don't have anxiety
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procrastination pleasing perfectionism and low confidence if however you don't know how to take
care of your nervous system which nobody is eventually it starts to malfunction and you feel
unsafe when you feel unsafe it gives rise to fear and that fear then gives rise to anxiety
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procrastination people pleasing perfectionism and low confidence so can you see the mechanical
linkage that what were your experience that you don't have problems what you have is symptoms
of the nervous system which is malfunctioning making you feel unsafe which is creating fear
and then creating these symptoms does that make logical sense?
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It does make logical sense, it does make logical sense. It's the feeling of what are... the question of why are we feeling nervous
that takes you straight up to the brain again and the mind rather than thinking about what's
mechanically going on ("repeat the question"). Well it's not a question it's just a feeling I have
is that this this thing about going to the mind instead of the body you know when you think about
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why are we feeling nervous because it's a why question where do we do all the consideration?
We do the consideration up in up in the mind so we're bypassing the problem again going straight
to thinking about it rather than going to root cause like like you're saying. That's the that's
the that's the weird logic that I ended up going through on this thing just getting it straight in my head.
Again it's not weird when you understand how humans are wired. Two things again you were told
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the problem was the mind if a whole bunch of experts that have letters at the end of their
name and they're giving ted talks and they're looking smart and they all are telling you it's
mind it's understandable you're gonna think it's a mind problem it also looks like it's the mind
because the mind is saying horrible scary things and then you're feeling horrible and scared
and unless you spend eight years of research and testing to go against that and have a certain
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disposition to innovate and problem solving which not everybody does it's understandable to think
it's the mind but also unconsciously we want to believe it's the mind because we like that oh
if I can just figure this out we love that the western oh we can just figure it out I'll just
figure it out oh but also we like that it's the mind because then we can avoid what we love to
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avoid which is feeling so unconsciously we sort of like the whole mind angle it doesn't work
yeah but humans don't like to feel so we sort of secretly kind of like the mind idea because
if we could solve all these problems that feeling wouldn't that be nice so our program does require
you to feel but you have to feel for six weeks and then you get to be free for the rest of your life
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so that's a pretty good roi but the the the value of this is I want to understand this information
that I'm sharing with your audience if you just take the information it's useless you can't take
anything I'm sharing and use it and the reason I bring this up is because there's so many podcasts
where experts go on and they share information but it's not really helpful it won't really make
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your life better it just adds to your misery and you just know more about your misery and I don't
want to add to that so this information I'm being clear it it can't help you in and of itself what
it is is going to give you a perceptual framework and understanding that being free of this is at
least possible why because it's a systems issue does it make sense that there's a system in the
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body called the nervous system that's making everybody nervous and does it make sense that
if you don't take care of a system it can malfunction and be out of whack does that make
sense yeah of course it does okay now the reason that it's out of whack is because we were never
taught to take care of it if you don't take care of all the systems in the body they all
malfunction if you don't get enough sleep don't brush your teeth don't eat correctly don't get
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enough sleep systems in the body don't drink enough water will start to malfunction so does
it make sense that we were never taught to take daily care of our nervous system and now it's
malfunctioning does that make sense yeah of course it does yeah okay now here's why that insight and
that approach is so revolutionary if all these problems that we have anxiety procrastination
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people-pleasing perfectionism low confidence feeling stuck all of it is symptoms of this fear
and that fear is a symptom of just little acts of not taking care of something each day
bad news is you're always going to have it if you don't learn to take care of your nervous system
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it's always going to be out of whack you're always going to feel unsafe and you're always
going to have these symptoms that's the bad news but if we want a simple solvable solution
to address the root cause why is it good news that the whole problem is caused by little acts
of care that have gone missing why is that actually good news?
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Well I'm assuming it's because you can find a system to care for that system there's a way of caring for that system there's a way of making it better.
Yes but the way to care for it is really simple if the problem is
just that we didn't take care of something like if you have gained weight it's not a mystery it's
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not your childhood it's not false fat appearing real it's not a fatty mindset you neglected your
diet every day and those little acts of neglecting your diet accumulated to create the excess fat
but if you want to lose fat is that simple and easy to do no no if you want to lose the fat
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is it easy and simple to do well you've got to exercise you've got to have the will to do it
it's gonna take some work right but it's totally doable yeah if the reason you gain the weight is
because you ate more calories than you burned then you can burn the fat by just being healthier going
from unhealth to health your body burns the fat and the fat goes away it's simple it's doable. Make sense?
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Yeah and you're saying the same thing for the nervous system?
100% it's just another system in the body we don't know how to take care of it so it's malfunctioning but if you go from
little acts of uncare to little acts of care the system heals itself and the fear goes away that
is the power of this insight at the six-week program that we teach you gives you all the
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tools and you need multiple tools working together the simple easy to follow instructions of what to
do on what day and what order such that if you follow the steps you get the result which is that
your nervous system just comes back to help when it comes back to help you your default is to feel
safe from the inside out so if you had a simple easy to apply system that brought your nervous
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system back to health such that you just felt safe to you andy and your audience how would your
life be better in all areas if you woke up every morning and your whole system your default was you
just felt safe from the inside out how would life be better? How would you be a better person, better leader, better business owner. How would your life be better?
Listen I would get on with a
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lot more stuff than not than whittling about it I would be definitely more proactive I would like
to think in that all of those actions I would be happier and more successful and better to be around
and uh that's that's enough on its own but I bet there'll be a ton more.
There is a ton more. People come to us because it's all one root cause people usually come to us for one thing they'll
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say I'm really struggling with anxiety or I have a lot of procrastination this happened two years ago
this gentleman came crippling perfectionism uh so he couldn't he had all these books he wanted to
write he couldn't he couldn't finish it because he was a perfectionist so four weeks into our
program he had already written a first draft for a book that he'd been trying to write for years
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but then his energy levels he was much happier he was much more authentic his marriage improved and
his kids were calmer because they were watching what he was his entire life he also quit drink I
mean the whole thing and because we we don't charge extra when you get what we charge you for one thing
but you get multiple benefits but also you're just free when you don't have all this deep fear
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you're free to be authentic to fulfill your potential to do what you really love you make
way more money with way less work and if you're a business owner people want to be around you
because you're happier and you're a more loving generous caring boss it just makes all areas of
your life better we're not meant to operate with this low level and high level fear running all the
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time so we help people with these symptoms but really what we're giving people is permanent easy
access to their full potential in all areas of their lives can I get an amen Andy?
Amen, brother. I mean this is what this is what's really fascinating about your system and I I had a
a small taste of it and it has definitely changed the way I think about stuff and the way I feel
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about stuff uh already so and listen you don't take my word for it there are you only have to
look you up on the internet and there are loads and loads of testimonials of people saying hey hey
this is not a thing this is a thing this is happening this is real and so I think it's
fantastic you're able to come on the show and and share this with people today and we're going to
put this link in the show notes so people can go through the same thing I did and make up their own mind.
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Yeah I that's what I want. Again I know people are skeptical I know they've tried a lot of
things they're over promised and under delivered so um I want them to experience this for them
first for themselves firsthand so they can feel and get a result so again this information that
I've shared with andy and you uh it can't actually make your life better but this information wasn't
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meant to make your life better it's to create a logical framework that it at least makes sense
that it's possible that you could be free of the things that have held you back quickly and easily
so let's just recap does it make sense I'm asking you andy and your audience does at least make
sense that at the root of what we're struggling with often is some sensation of fear does that
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make sense it it does yeah yes and does it make logical sense that fear isn't originating in the
mind but it's actually originating in the body does that at least make sense it does make sense
now and does it make logical sense that the system in the body that's creating this fear is something
called the nervous system does that at least make sense that the nervous system is malfunctioning
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and making people nervous does that make sense yeah it makes sense and does it make sense that
systems in the body could be malfunctioning in this case the nervous system and making you nervous
but then we know that systems can be repaired such that the nervous system would repair itself
does that at least make sense I guess so absolutely and if we repair the system that's at
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the root cause of your symptoms does it make sense that we could heal the root cause which is the
nervous system the fear would go away and then the symptoms of the fear would go away does that at
least make logical sense I follow the logic Daniel I follow the logic so if all of that at least makes
enough sense that you are curious to see if this could work for you then the next logical step is
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for you to go to our website danielpacker.com and there you can download this free 90-minute training
that andy experienced is called from stuck to unstoppable and you're going to see firsthand
the thing that you're doing that's accidentally making your nervous system crank out all this
nervousness that you didn't know made sense but trust me it's simple and you're going to wonder
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why nobody taught you this before and then you're going to apply one of the techniques that we
developed and you are going to feel measurably because you're going to measure your fear and
anxiety levels and you're going to feel measurably calmer andy felt measurably calmer and I you're
going to feel measurably calmer and so that's the next step is to experience this for yourself
and you can do that by going again to danielpacker.com and downloading that free training "From stuck to unstoppable."
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Beautiful, beautiful stuff Daniel and we're going to put all of that
in the show notes I normally end the show with something I call sticky notes right which is like
three tiny little summarized things you could stick on sticky notes and I'm thinking about
all the things that we've talked about today if you had your choice of three little sticky notes
Daniel what would you whack on yours uh oh what a sticky yummy question also I do feel sticky notes
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could be the follow-up album from sticking from the inside out sticky notes uh so the question is
out of everything I shared what would be three sticky notes?
Yeah I know I know what I would put on one of mine if I was to nick one of your sticky notes ("I want to hear yours first"). Well I
would definitely go with the the mind is a symptom of the body because that's the thing that's been
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rattling around in my noggin since going through the training. You know if I was going to nick one
of your sticky notes that's why I would stick on one of those. You've got two left what would you put on yours?
So I guess what I would let people know is when you don't know what I just
shared that the root cause is fear fear is coming from the body and this is solvable by just taking
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better care of it and it's all simple and it's all solvable most people don't know this because we
innovated it and when you don't know it you're stuck in this hamster wheel of repetition of your
patterns and then what happens is we start to blame ourselves and we start to think well the
experts told me I need to do this and I did and it didn't work and we start to feel there's something
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wrong with us and that we're broken which just adds to the problems and I want to let everybody
know uh this is not your fault the experts sent you to the wrong location did not give you a
solution they weren't even trying to solve it so what I would put on the sticky note is it's not
your fault slash there's nothing wrong with you second sticky note which is going to be a whole
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sheet of paper there is something wrong with the experts that you trusted you can be free of these
patterns if you have an approach that simple addresses the root cause and would develop by
engineers who want to solve things the final thing I would say is stop reading sticky notes and take
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action and go to get the free training don't just learn a bunch of stuff and go oh that was fast oh
he's right it's the body oh how interesting useless that will not help you if you want to be free of
this for yourself for your company for your children take action put the sticky notes down
take action go to danielpackard.com and download the free training so that you can experience this for yourself, firsthand.
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Brilliant! Daniel you are a force of nature my friend it's been amazing to
get to know you in such a short space of time thank you so much for coming on and pouring all of your
love passion and energy for this topic into this episode I can't say how much I appreciate it my
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friend it was truly my honor thank you for having me and thanks for appreciating what we're doing
hey no problem my friend you take care okay everyone that was Daniel packard and if you'd
like to find out a bit more about any of the topics we've talked about today or to click on
that link and go and take that training yourself then please check out the show notes so that
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concludes today's episode I hope you've enjoyed it found it interesting and heard something maybe
that will help you become a stickier more successful business from the inside going
forward if you have please like comment and subscribe it really helps I'm Andy Goram and
you've been listening to the Sticky From The Inside Podcast, until next time thanks for listening
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