October 22, 2025 • 47 mins
Welcome to the 241st episode of The Thriller Zone with podcast host David Temple, he dives into the thrilling world of storytelling with Christina and Anthony Adams, the dynamic duo behind the captivating book "Chasing Shadows."
Right off the bat, we explore the exciting journey of writing a fiction novel inspired by real-life events, blending mystery, travel, and a touch of memoir. These talented authors share their experiences of co-writing, revealing how their unique perspectives as a married couple add depth and richness to their characters.
We’ll also take a playful detour into their upcoming musical adaptation of the beloved film "Sideways," which promises to be a hit with its catchy tunes and hilarious moments.
So grab your favorite drink, settle in, and join us as we uncover the secrets behind their creative process and the magic of storytelling on TheThrillerZone.com
Takeaways:
- The podcast features the dynamic duo Christina and Anthony Adams, discussing their debut novel, 'Chasing Shadows,' which intertwines family secrets and thrilling mysteries.
- Listeners will learn that writing a novel allows for deeper character exploration compared to screenwriting, which tends to be shorter and more concise.
- The Adams couple emphasizes the importance of collaboration in writing, highlighting how their combined experiences enrich their storytelling.
- A major theme of the episode is that it's never too late to pursue your dreams, as evidenced by the couple's successful transition from screenwriting to novel writing.
- They discuss the significance of using personal experiences and travels as inspiration for their writing, making their stories richer and more relatable.
- Lastly, the episode encourages creative individuals to embrace their passions and reminds us that creativity is an addiction that fuels the soul.
Links referenced in this episode:
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Eddie V's in La Jolla, CA
- Warwicks in La Jolla, CA
- Oprah Winfrey
- The Amazing Race
- Hanna Barbera
- CBS
- Broadway Records
- La Jolla Light Newspaper
- Chasing Shadows
KEYWORDS: thriller podcast, writing advice, mystery thriller, Chasing Shadows book, collaborative writing, screenwriting tips, storytelling techniques, creative writing process, authors interview, book promotion strategies, writing for television, overcoming writer's block, debut novel, books based on true events, travelogue writing, character development, couple co-writing, podcast about writing, authors' journey, creative collaboration
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Foreign.
Welcome to the Thriller Zone.
Guess who?
Dave Teppel, your host.
How you been?
It has been a long time sincewe've chatted.
Actually, it's only been acouple of weeks, but it feels that
way.
I got an email the other day,Dave, where's the.
Where's the Thriller Zone been?
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What happened?
Here's a straight up.
Tammy and I went away for anice little vacation to Europe, and
we got so wrapped up in itthat when I got back, I was so addicted
to having time off that I justkind of stuck with it.
So we do have a number ofshows coming at you in the next couple
of months that are going to bequite interesting.
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Lots of goodness straight ahead.
And I've got a couple ofpersonal projects that I'm working
on that I'm going to betelling you about in the coming weeks.
Not today, but soon.
Hey, let me tell you something.
There's a book written by ahusband, wife, team, Christina and
Anthony Adams.
A.C. adams, Chasing Shadows, adelightful read that is based on
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real events.
You're going to enjoy theshow, I guarantee it.
So without any further ado,let me shut my yammering self and
introduce you to Christina andAnthony Adams right here on the Thriller
Zone.
Let's start the show here.
And I'm kind of.
I'm a little bit embarrassedby this, but maybe not because.
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Mm.
We're.
We're neighbors.
We're gonna get that.
Yeah, that in a minute.
So I'm down in La Jolla.
My wife and I were havingdinner at Eddie V's.
Yeah.
One of our favorites.
Good restaurant.
Yeah.
Best food in the world.
Great view, too.
Great view.
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Probably can see your home for there.
So I pick up, pick up a copyof La Jolla Light.
This was in april, folks, of seven.
April 17th of this year.
Look who had this great bigold spread.
I'm like, yeah, that's whenthe book.
Right before it came out.
Right before it came out.
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So I looked at this and I putit aside and I said, note to self,
David, sit down with these folks.
That was in April.
Few things happened betweenApril and now, so we won't go into
that.
But so I just want you to knowI've had this sitting on my desk
since April.
So then your people reached.
Your people, reached out to mypeople and said, hey, would you.
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Would you love to chat with them?
I'm like, yes.
And I had a little technical,a little scheduling thing, and we
finally got it together.
All that said, here it is, October.
I know, it's just Been likeflying off the shelves.
Right?
It's been doing good.
Yeah.
Good, good.
We're lucky.
That's what I like to hear.
And we've had some very goodreviews too.
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Now here's a qu.
By the way, folks, oflistening and watching at home.
AC Adams is Anthony andChristina Adams.
They're Nom de Bloom and theChasing Shadows, of course, is the
book.
Lovely book.
It feels very much.
I felt like.
It's funny when I was reading it.
I felt like I was reading atravelogue meets a mystery meets
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a little dash of memoir.
A dash.
I mean, it is a fiction basedon true events, but it's the true
events that.
Yeah.
Yes.
I'm like, wow.
Because as I was going backthrough this and I kept seeing this
everywhere based on, you know,real life events.
And you don't get to see thathappen very often in, in the thriller
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world.
Right, right, quick shout outto Warwicks there in lovely LA Hoya,
because if I had had thepresence of mind to come down there
and see you guys, sue, myfriend sue down at Warwicks, we would
have.
We would have done it up.
Right, anyway, so let's do this.
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I've got so many things I wantto talk to you about, but I want
to make sure that we coverthis book because a lot of folks,
folks will write in and go,david, why do you mention this, the
book near the end of the show?
Because I gotta wait that long.
Then you have other peoplegoing, why, why, why do you play
it at the beginning?
I want to get to know them.
So I'm always vacillatingbetween which works best.
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And I kind of tend to rollwith whatever just feels right to
me.
But let's go ahead and talkabout the book a little bit because
I got several juicy things.
Here's where I'm going to getmy audience.
I've got several juicy thingsthat you're going to want to stick
around for because these folksare mega talented.
Let's talk about the book.
So we decided to write thisbook as a mystery thriller based
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on my father's secret life.
And because his life was likea Gordian knot that could not be
unraveled, we ultimately madeit a fiction, couldn't be a memoir,
because there were thingsabout his life we could never discover.
Try as we might, they were hidden.
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And so, as you said, it is acombination of kind of inspired by
true events.
We've been working in thetelevision industry for decades and
this felt like it should be a novel.
So this is Our debut novel,Chasing Shadows, it's the first time
we've done a novel together.
When you find out everythingthat they've done up to this point,
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the fact that they are sayingto you right now, and bear with me
when I say this, because I'molder than you are, when you get
to debut at our age, it's areally, I think, A, it's a cool thing.
B, it's a great message to theworld that you don't have to be young,
fresh face to debut at something.
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You do it.
You start where you stand, asmy sister will always say.
Right.
I agree.
I agree.
Yes.
It was incredibly rewarding.
We were thinking, why didn'twe start with novelness?
Because after all the mediumswe've worked in, it is so satisfying
to have a big enough canvas.
For instance, this story,after we'd done all of our research,
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it covered 70 years from threepoints of view in multiple countries.
And in a screenplay, you'donly catch a piece of that, unless
it was a series.
And we wanted to get deeplyinto the psyches of all of these
characters, which we had thelatitude to do with the novel form.
So we ended up really falling in.
Love with writing so much fun novels.
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I mean, after years of writingfor television, which is pretty generally
thin, I mean, screenplays tendto be more thin.
This was really rich and funto do.
We had a great time doing it.
And for my listeners, who.
And I have a wide variety oflisteners, they're writers, they're
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screenplay writers.
They're just big fans.
So when you say thin, I thinkChristina, if I'm correct, thin,
meaning a screenplay isgenerally on a film.
Like one.
10, 120, 130 pages.
Right.
So.
And a book.
It's your.
I don't have it off the top ofmy head, but I'm going to peek real
quick.
So 314.
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Yeah, yeah, 14.
Okay.
Enough to tell you yourbusiness, Darren.
We cut those last few pages, but.
The point being, as you canimagine, you have to consolidate
a lot of the story in order toget it into screenplay form.
So I'm going to insert thisstory here.
So Christina's worked with theAmazing Race, one of the greatest
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television shows, maybe of the last.
Yeah.
I don't know, 20, 30 years.
And then, of course, Anthonyis a musician now.
Secret little inside scoop.
They met at a beach club wherehe was strumming his guitar, and
she was probably just swooningin the audience.
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Would that be safe to say?
That would be safe to say, yes.
Sparks flew and we ended upgetting married very quickly after
that.
And you're celebrating howmany we've been.
Together for 40 years.
That is an accomplishment,especially in this world.
People always ask us, how inthe world can a married couple co
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write?
Because we've written songstogether, we've written screenplays
together, and we've writtenfor the theater together.
And so now we've written.
And how can you possiblycollaborate without killing each
other?
Yeah.
And what is that answer, Anthony?
And her elbow is right nearyour ribs, so be careful.
Right.
Well, we started from day one.
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We've developed a kind ofcollaborative style that is really
seamless to start with.
We really welcomecollaboration and it's all about
the content of the story andthe characters, not about who comes
up with which part.
And what we do is if we evercome to a disagreement about a story
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point or a character, one ofus loves something, the other one
can't stand it, we throw itaway and we come up with something
new that we both like.
I mean, we'll defend our positions.
It's like I'll say I reallylike this because.
But if I can't convince himand he'll say he really likes that
because we can't convince eachother, we go, okay, let's find there's
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some things that gelling here.
And we always find a thirdsolution that seems to work better
than either solutionseparately, because we write separately,
we come up with an outline,basically story structure, and then
we split the work in half andhe'll write one half, I'll write
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one half, and then we tradehalves and we rewrite each other.
And so our guiding principleis check your ego at the door.
Because it's all about the work.
It's not about who came upwith it or who thinks of this or
who thinks of that.
And we try our best to alwaysmake the work first and not us.
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In this case, we wanted tohave the pacing of a thriller.
And many of the things in thestory have.
Are automatically fit thethriller genre and mystery genre.
So we started out, we wrote a62 page outline with short taught
chapters, each one of whichleaves you with a question that you
want to learn the answer to.
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And what happens is, so we getthis outline together, like Christina
said, we each write a separatehalf, but along the way we don't
adhere slavishly to the outline.
One of us will come up with anew character, we'll come up with
a new scene, we'll come upwith a new story direction, and then
when the other Person reads it.
That gets worked into notes,which then take a new outline, we
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keep flopping halves, and thenwe start reading everything out loud
together, which is very usefulfor dialogue.
And ultimately those last fewdrafts, when we're really happy with
the structure of the wholestory, then that's all done with
reading out loud and making tweaks.
And as we're tweaking, we're,you know, we're commenting and editing
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and just.
It kind of works really wellfor us.
Now you just mentioned thatyou did a 62 beat outline, and I
see that it's actually 62 chapters.
So that structure didn'tactually go away.
No, no, just the content.
Some of the content changed.
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Like there were charactersthat needed to be discovered, that
needed to be there that wedidn't know when we were getting
the outline.
Because it's a beat outline.
It's kind of an outline that'sjust rough.
Okay, this kind of shape ofthis chapter, shape of that chapter.
So they're very like few sentences.
But then as you're writing it,you go, okay, this character needs
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to exist and this characterneeds to go away.
And people change.
Your characters startdictating to you as you're working.
And that's a really fun thing.
Um, so we had, we had fun.
There's so much to unpack there.
First of all, I have never cowritten with anyone.
I've had a lot of co writerson this show and I've never really,
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and I'm going to admit thisstraight up to my listeners, I have
never really fully understood it.
I mean, I understand itintellectually, but I've never understood
the ability to.
So Anthony's writing his world.
He's going along, chugga,chugga, chugga.
Christina has her ideas, soAnthony hands it to her.
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She may to you, Christina, youmay or may not like it.
Or, you know, and then you,you pass it back off.
That to me is kind of wacky.
And maybe that's only becauseI've only written in solitude.
However, on the other side ofthe coin, as I was listening to you,
I'm like, boy, think of the.
And correct me if I'm wrong.
Think about the amount ofpressure that it takes off of you
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from the standpoint of if yougo up.
Well, it's called going up ona line when you're on camera.
But if you, you know, you loseyour train of conscious, you know,
stream of consciousness, oryou get caught up in something that
doesn't really work, then yourpartner can go, you know, does that
really Work for you, becauselet me show you what I think could
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help you work.
I mean, does this.
This is making sense.
That's exactly how we work.
Exactly.
And we also have a very wideframe of reference.
I have different life experiences.
He has different life experiences.
I'm a female, he's a male.
So it gives us a broaderperspective, I think.
And because we respect eachother, I think it works really well,
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because I respect what hethinks and he respects what I think.
And if something is just notworking, he respects the fact that
it's not working.
And surely there's another.
There's a solution that will work.
And as we discussed, theoutline is literally a roadmap.
So we kind of know where we'regoing, but we don't know, you know,
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the branches and the twistsand the turns along the way.
We just.
That happens spontaneously as we.
It's probably because we hadthe end completely formulated, that
even if a chapter would go, itwould get replaced by another chapter.
So the overall arc of thestory, beginning, middle, and end,
stayed the same, althoughthere were many changes within it.
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But the other thing, thewonderful thing about collaboration,
and that's the same thing withsongwriting as well, and is that
each of our consciousnesses,if you see them a shape, they each
have overlap things that weboth know.
But then there's all of thesethings that Christina knows and experiences
she's had that I don't, and Ihave some experiences and knowledge
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that she doesn't.
So we actually have a morebandwidth, more lived experience,
and additional points of viewto draw from.
So it's actually really fun to collaborate.
As I am listening to you both,and as I'm getting to know you, you
remind me so much of my wifeand I.
Now we have not your clock in40 years.
We're coming up on 10.
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But I was a confirmed bachelorfor almost my entire life until I
found Little Miss Princess,which is right behind door number
one.
And I think the magic, youknow, we.
We came.
You said something, Anthony,that triggered my mind.
We came to the world, to ourworlds, cohesive worlds with a lot
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of life experiences and nothaving to prove a lot of stuff and
its own set of maturity, soour rough edges can kind of smooth
each other's out.
She has a.
She is.
Which one's Right Brain and left.
Right Brain is super creative.
Right, Anthony?
Is that right?
Yeah.
Okay, so I'm super creative.
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She's not creative at all.
I couldn't balance a checkbookwith a gun to my head.
She loves spreadsheets.
So we knew when we got together.
I'm like, well, this is kindof crazy, but I think this is gonna
work.
And it's worked so well.
Kind of like you're talking about.
Exactly.
So when you can feed off ofeach other's strength.
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And I noticed something, folks.
You're going to appreciate this.
Before we came on, there was atechnical issue, which I probably
secretly wanted to point afinger at my new two.
Two new friends.
However, it was my.
My fault.
And I love it when I can justsay that, because I was an idiot
in that particular moment.
But we're talking along and.
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And Anthony was reacting like me.
Well, let's try this, like.
And Christine is like, hang onjust a minute.
When I heard her say that, Iheard my wife go.
Because I'll get like,Anthony, like, come on, come on.
And she'll like, hang on justa minute.
And it's that timber thatsays, I want to slap you right now
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and pull your hair out, but ifyou could just kindly move aside,
I think I've got it.
Anyways, so close am I.
How close am I?
Very close.
Very close.
All right, let me go back tothe book a second.
One of the things I lovedabout this book and is the massive
dialogue.
Now, a lot of people go, well,Dave, I don't know if I like that
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too much.
It reads like a screenplay.
I'm like, well, maybe that'sbecause I read, like, screenplays
and I write, like,screenplays, and I like tons of dialogue.
Because guess what?
What do you go to a book for?
Characters.
And what do characters do?
They talk.
They talk, right?
Bravo, too.
We automatically.
We do love to include dialoguein all of our writing, and maybe
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it is all the years ofscreenwriting, but it felt.
It came across when we needed it.
We felt like the charactersneeded to talk to each other and
they needed to express themselves.
And so we kept a lot ofdialogue intentionally.
Um.
It's more like real life.
As you said, people do talk.
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Well, look, you can.
You can paint the picture ofthe room that the characters are
going to walk into.
You can paint the picture ofthe weather outside that window.
And you can tell me whatthey're wearing and what they're
eating and drinking.
And that's all well and good.
It's funny.
The older I've gotten, whichis coming on pretty fast.
And the more I read, whichincludes about two books a week,
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I realize that so much of thatis really unnecessary.
And I go and I have thisconversation with myself.
David, is that because yourattention span is decreasing with
every day with social mediaand you're just kind of brain dead.
Or is it because I just likethe art of conversation?
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Right.
Well, yeah, you're.
You're a talker.
Look at you, you're hosting a podcast.
As evidence, by the way,you're stepping all over me, David.
No, it's fantastic.
We love it.
Well, I, I have to split offto this because when I found this
out, I nearly danced a jig.
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Well, there's an old phrase.
There is a movie that I saw acouple years ago and when I saw it,
I was mesmerized.
This is my tee up and I'mwatching it on this and I'm like,
oh my God, this is one of thegreatest movies I've ever seen.
And it's a simple little movieand I'm watching it and this is when
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I was really starting to getto know Paul Giamatti.
And of course, it's a storyabout wine country.
Who doesn't like wine?
And this, these two guys,these two pals are going to get in
the car and they're going togo to wine country and have some
wine.
And the movie, the book is called.
Oh, the movie is called Sideways.
And I, I've watched it maybeprobably seven or eight times.
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So I've got a really good idea.
And then I'm doing a littlehomework on my two new friends here.
Guess what they've done?
They've taken Sideways andturned it into a musical.
Tell me about that.
Well, this has been such awonderful journey.
And this has been acollaboration between me and my old
friend Rex Pickett, who wrotethe novel that the movie was based
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on.
And Rex and I have known eachother forever.
And of course, it's a greatnovel and he's a great writer.
And Rex called, this is in LAwhen we were up there, he said, look,
I've got a play version ofSideways now.
Would you like to come see it?
Invited me and Christina to alittle theater in Santa Monica.
It was absolutely hilariousand wonderful, but it expanded upon
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the book with some new scenes,so some, some new characters and
was really fun.
And I said to Rex, hey, youknow, this would make a great musical.
He said, really?
And I said, really?
Absolutely.
Because I was hearing songsand thinking of song placement while
we were listening to the playbecause it just, there are moments
that should just break intosong, you know, like it has the,
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the basis for that.
So he said, great, let's collaborate.
So we worked on the book, weco wrote the lyrics, we turned a
Little guest house we had intoa recording studio, recorded all
the songs there.
And then, to our wonderfulsurprise, Broadway Records, one of
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the top labels for musicals,wanted to release it.
And very unusual for anunstaged musical to get released
by a major record label.
But they thought that thesongs were incredibly catchy and
that the piece had the chanceto eventually, perhaps be fortunate
enough to go to Broadway inthe West End.
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And they wanted to be inbusiness with us and work together
down the line.
Anthony wrote some amazingsongs, really funny ones.
And one of them's called noFucking Merlot, because of Paul Giamatti's
line in the movie.
I remember exactly where thatline inspired by that.
Yeah, it's very funny.
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But there's all kinds of fun things.
And his record is available,by the way, on all the streaming
platforms, Apple Music,Spotify, et cetera.
His little things that Rex hadput in the book and put in the play
that most people never notice.
For instance, there's a linefrom when Miles is meeting with his
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mother and he's gonna stealmoney for the road trip.
And she talks to him that youdon't believe in God.
And he says, I believe in Dionysus.
That's my go God, the ancientGreek God of the grape and hedonism
and ecstasy.
And so I thought, right.
So we talked about how aboutwhen Miles is really drunk or dreaming
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instead of a guy, the way thebook opens, the movie opens, who's
down on his luck.
His writing career is going nowhere.
He can't afford the rent.
He's recently been divorced,but in his dreams, he is Dionysus,
God of the grape, with hisharem of nymphs and satyrs.
He's an actual God.
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Then he wakes up and he's inthese horrendous circumstances.
So, like scene one of themovie God of the Grape, you know,
the.
Musical opens with a reallyamazing number called God of the
Grape.
You know, he's sleeping in bedin his apartment, but in his mind,
he's this God.
And he wakes up to a phonecall from the agent saying, hey,
a small independent publisheris interested in your novel.
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And he's buoyed with enthusiasm.
He has a noose there.
He was, you know, on the edgeof suicide.
And that's when Jack shows upfor the road trip.
And then he dips back into hisinner life in other places.
So there were ways to enrichand come up with new things that
work really well for scenesand musicals.
He also.
They also expanded the role ofthe two women in There, which I thought
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was really nice.
They have a really strong partnow in the musical.
I don't want to geek out toomuch, but I'm going to because it's
my show, first of all.
Now, I could have sworn Ithink I have seen the marquee of
the musical.
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So it tells me it's in the past.
So I can't currently see it.
Correct.
The musical has not been done yet.
It's in development now.
And we're in talks to premiereSideways the Musical in concert next
summer at a regional theaternot far from Washington D.C. and
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hopefully I'll be able toannounce those dates soon.
What we're doing, we're doinga two phase trip.
One is we have Sideways themusical in concert, which is all
19 songs with a smaller cast,three men, three women, a projection,
rear screen projection behindthe screen to set the scene, and
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some really fun and hilariousshort narration that connects the
song so you get the story context.
And so that's how it will workas a concert.
It will pair really well withfood and wine.
Yeah.
Of course, we have a testversion of this in Sonoma Buena Vista
Winery, where we did 10 songsand it was so well received, we decided
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to develop the whole show that way.
And of course we have the fullversion of the musical.
And that's a nice steppingstone of to the full music with all
the sets and costumes and thelarger cast.
Okay, well, first of all, ifyou ever need any help researching
whether it's words or wine orfood or wine, please feel free to
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lean on your new buddy Dave.
I'd be happy.
And I cannot wait to see.
I have to have front row seatsor close to.
I gotta get some good seats tothe music.
You will have those.
Thank you.
Because I'm telling you, oneof my all time favorite movies.
And if you've never seen this,folks, you gotta see the movie.
It's just, it's, it'spoignant, it's powerful.
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The little.
Oh, I could go on for hours.
I don't know why it affectedme so well.
It's just great, great storytelling.
But I cannot wait to hear the musical.
And I.
And I. I must have just seenthe sign in my head and thought it
was already on Broadway.
But either way, uh, I cannot wait.
And that's next year, you're saying?
That's next year.
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And once I have the details,we'll be announcing that on our website.
Cool.
Well, I'm telling you, thereis so much talent sitting in front
of me, it's crazy to Thinkwe've got TV shows, Oprah, Amazing
Race, musicals, now your debut novel.
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I mean, there.
So it makes me wonder, itmakes me ask.
And, and, and I love thisidea, the fact that it's never too
late to start.
It's never too late to havethat dream.
I'm, I'm always saying this tomy friends, like, oh, but I'm, I'm
retired.
I'm getting close to retirement.
I'm like, so what?
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You're, you still got years ahead.
Who cares?
Yeah, why not do the thingsthat really matter to you while you're
still.
And while you're still alive.
I mean, you're not dead yet,so do what you want to do.
I mean, the beauty of being atthis age for some of us, thank God
we're in that position, is wedo what we want to do now because
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we're making money elsewhere.
So we decided to make, I mean,we hope this novel is a wild success
and we anticipate turning itinto a limited series.
But, you know, if it doesn'thappen, that's okay because we're,
it's, it was, it was a passionproject, you know.
With you too, with yourwriting and all your work and podcasting.
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I think that creativity is theonly addiction that no 12 step program
can cure.
And you do these thingsbecause you're compelled to do them.
No one could stop you.
Oh my God, my wife, when shehears this later, she's going to
go, well, that's you.
Because, man, I'll tell you, Ican sit down at this desk and I,
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I lie not to you.
We're up at 5, we go to thegym at 6.
I'm, I can come home, sit downat this desk at 7:30 and just create
until it's 7:30 at night andeven barely look up.
And it doesn't.
And it's, it's heaven to me.
It's like breathing and eatingchocolate and drinking wine.
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It's the most amazing thing inthe world.
So I applaud you for yourembracing the creativity.
And, you know, it's never too late.
And you know, it's, it'sfunny, we were just talking about
this.
I mean, Robert Redford, DianeKeaton, inside the last 30 days,
two weeks, maybe even two ofthe greatest actors of all time who
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were at the top of their gameright there at the end, doing exactly
what they love.
And I, I think that's maybewhat I'm trying to walk away this
podcast with.
Besides, of course, shoutingthe praise for Chasing Shadows.
I just want to get this outto, like, chase your dreams and don't
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let a clock or wrinkles onyour face or color of your hair stop
you.
Yeah, well, it's.
The idea of retirement is avery perverse concept.
It is.
What are you going to do?
Be some just useless person onthe couch?
And that's what you do.
You know, it's like, why don'tyou take it as an opportunity to
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be wild and crazy?
You're so old, you don't haveto take any shit from anybody.
And you're saying that to me.
I get that.
Not you.
You're a spring chicken.
Oh, spring chicken.
Knocking on six, seven in acouple of weeks.
Well, there's.
So first of all,congratulations on this book.
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Congratulations on theupcoming musical.
Christina.
Congratulations on yourprolific career.
Writer, producer, on television.
I mean, talking about a tough gig.
I mean, how.
How long have you been doing that?
I.
And.
And how long you been doing it?
And.
And what's which.
Probably one of the pinnaclemoments of your television creative
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world.
Well, I mean, we've been doingit since like, 1985.
Ish.
Yeah, I think.
Yeah, 85.
So a long time.
And we did.
I mean, we did a lot ofdifferent things.
We wrote for Disney.
Hanna Barbera wrote children's animation.
We then started doing TV movies.
(30:53):
And then I started.
That was just as writers.
And then we became producersand we did a lot of different shows.
One of my favorite series thatI worked on was.
Is called Oprah's Masterclass.
And have you seen it?
It's really good.
Yes, yes, yes.
And I'm very proud of thatbecause we interviewed the most interesting
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variety of people.
One of the most interestingones was Barbara Walters.
And I'll just tell you thatone, because she inspired me in several
ways, she said, which mostpeople won't admit.
She said, you know, I was verylucky and I was very hardworking.
And she said, but you have tohave both.
You have to have luck and youhave to work hard.
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Most people think it's justthe brilliance of their talent.
That happens.
She was the first to admitthat it was actually she was fortunate.
And, you know, you have tocount your blessings.
I was very fortunate.
I met people who thenintroduced me to other people who
then introduced me to other people.
And I've been working forOprah Winfrey now since 2011, still
(31:58):
working.
I'm a producer on her newestshow, which is the Oprah Podcast
and Oprah's Book Club.
And so that's really fun.
I mean, we did interviews withBarack Obama, Michelle Obama.
We've done amazing.
She's done amazing work.
We did the special with Meganand Harry.
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We did the special with Adeleon cbs, which was great.
She's another inspiration,Oprah, because she took at what would
be considered probably a mosthorrific childhood.
I mean, she had a very, verydifficult childhood.
I mean, she's admitted to thispublicly, so I'm not sharing something
out of school here, but.
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And turned her entire lifeinto what is truly a magnificent
body of work.
And so she was an inspiration,too, you know, and, of course, the
Amazing Race is just a blastand a lot of fun.
I've been doing that since 2010.
I've been a producer on that show.
So that's just a fun show.
(33:05):
I just love doing it.
And I've done hundreds ofdifferent television series.
So, yeah, two things havepopped in my head.
One.
One is I. I auditioned for theAmazing Race, and I. I got bumped
on it, but I. I always thoughtit was such a great, fun show because
it allowed the average bear togo compete on a huge level.
(33:28):
And about 15 minutes ago, Ialmost used the word when I was talking
about.
When I was geeking out on howexcited I was about all your work,
I almost came out with theword manifestation because I'm a
big fan of manifestation andhow you can manifest what you want
if you get clarity and focusand believe in it, of course.
(33:50):
And when you said Oprah, I waslike, I remember one of the greatest
episodes, one of my favorites,because I'm a big Wayne Dyer fan.
And when he was on talking toher, and I'm gonna hope I don't massacre
this.
When you change the way youlook at things.
The way you look at things change.
I think that's true.
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One of the greatest quotes ofall time.
It's in a book that I'mgetting ready to release soon.
And it has to do with that.
And I wanted to get this pointacross that, you know, we look at
life.
Oh, I sure would like to dothat, but, you know, I can't do that
because Hollywood's a toughplace or they're not doing that anymore.
(34:31):
And I. I've never been that person.
And my wife will often say tome, you know, how do you.
How do you get the.
How do you get to where you've gotten?
I'm like, I never stopped tothink about the how.
I just really focused on the what.
I just, like, I know what Iwanted, and that's just what I aimed
for.
(34:51):
And I figured the.
The world, the universe,whatever you want to call it.
I don't want to be too woo woo.
But it'll worry about the how you're.
Talking about woo woo to woowoo people.
So it's okay.
Okay, good.
It's woo then.
All right.
I agree.
You do have.
But.
But that's what I was saying,that Barbara Walters interview that
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inspired me.
You do have to have thatdetermination and fearlessness and
just go for it if that's whatyou want to do.
And it is a tough place.
It's a very tough business.
But if you believe inyourself, you believe what you can
do, it's totally achievable.
But you also have to have luck.
You have to have doors openand you have to have a lot of kind
(35:34):
people ushering in, you know,to get your foot in the door.
You have to have luck.
It's just.
It's a fact.
There's a lot of kindredspirits in the world.
So you have to be on thelookout for your tribe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And when you find your tribe, you.
They will help you succeed.
Yeah.
I think it's just.
It's a fact.
(35:55):
Well, yeah.
Find your tribe.
That's good.
Tammy and I have a.
A friend who lives in Canada,and he said something one day, Don
Campbell, he said, you'll cometo a point in your life when you
realize that the people yousurround yourself with will probably
reflect.
(36:16):
And I'm massacring this, butthis is the gist of it will probably
reflect the level of successthat you will find.
Gist of it being don'tsurround yourself with people who
are naysayers or negative or,you know, choose to wallow in the
unsuccess, but focus on thesuccess or what you want in the dream.
(36:39):
And you made this comment,Christina, about being lucky.
I also think you have tocreate some of that luck.
And you use the word kind.
Finding kind people, and Iwould say be kind in the process
because people are attractedto kindness.
That's all true.
I agree 100%.
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Let us all take a moment andjust namaste.
Yes.
And also, I'm sure you do this.
We're huge fans of movies,theater, concerts.
Always be going and seeing allthe wonderful work that's around
you and you stay perpetually inspired.
(37:23):
Yes.
When we're not at the RadyShell or the San Diego Symphony,
we're at the Old Globe or theLa Jolla Playhouse or the Con and
drinking in all thisincredible creativity that's happening
all around us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You all.
I was noticing.
Where did I see this?
Did I I either saw.
No, it had to be on yourwebsite where there's a picture of
(37:44):
you guys sitting on a balconyand it said something about you're
overlooking what you get tolook at every day.
So I'm guessing that's La Hoya.
Actually, that picture is fromItaly, from, from the island.
An island off of Tuscany.
Yeah, Elba.
We were on vacation on that one.
But it does look, it doesremind me of La Jolla when you think.
Yeah, it is nice.
(38:04):
I mean, we, we moved here fouryears ago during the pandemic because
we lived in la for over 30years and every bit of my work, I
would have to go in if, if theshow was being shot on one of the
sound stages at WarnerBrothers or, you know, whatever,
whatever studio, Sony, Paramount.
So I'd have to drive in every day.
(38:27):
And then the pandemic hit andevery single show that I worked on
became remote.
And so for almost two years,our cars sat and never moved.
And I worked and I said toAnthony, I don't have to go in anymore.
You know, let's.
We can move.
And I was born in San Diego,so I'm a native here.
(38:47):
My family's here and Ithought, we can move back.
It's much prettier down there.
And LA is only two hours away.
So.
Yeah, we still go.
We were up there two weeks agoat the last bookstore doing an event.
We did one at the LA TimesFestival of Books.
So every time we can.
We'd love to go out, hang outwith our wonderful LA friends.
(39:08):
Sure.
And.
But they're so close.
That's another thing about San Diego.
You can have the strengths ofboth towns.
Yeah, yeah, I, it is nice.
We're going to go up in acouple of weekends to see a Smart
List podcast.
Those three clowns on thatpodcast, we're going to see about
the Hollywood Bowl.
So, you know, we, we grab anychance we can.
(39:28):
And you said something aboutmusic, absorbing music.
We were just in London a fewweeks ago, which is part of the reason
I wanted to say this, part ofthe reason that we couldn't sit down
face to face.
I know somebody somewhere isgoing, Dave, you, you're always talking
about how you love face toface and yet you're right down the
street from them and yousitting there with them.
And I'm like, well, I justcame off a three week vacation.
(39:50):
I'm getting ready to take offfor a 10 day writing retreat, so
I'm really scurrying.
So we're going to do it againin Person.
Okay, great.
Sounds good.
Yes.
But we got to see Cole play atWembley Stadium.
Oh, my goodness, that sounds amazing.
Let me just say, if you everget a chance to see them, you have
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to.
It is a love fest like nothingI've ever seen.
Of course, Wembley Stadium isnothing to.
It's pretty remarkable.
But my point is, and you madethis so beautifully, you have to
absorb your.
Absorb art and creativity andjust feed the machine.
(40:37):
Because it really is, youknow, creativity as a machine.
It's like working a muscle.
You gotta feed it.
Right.
Yes.
It's one of your importantfood groups.
Yes.
We'll come up with a new triangle.
Right, right, right.
Well, now, I always close theshow because I gotta wrap.
I always close the show withasking for the best writing advice.
(40:58):
And I know that you're debutauthors, so you wouldn't perhaps
say, well, Dave, we haven'tbeen writing long enough to come
up with writing advice, exceptfor the fact that you've been writing
your whole life and a numberof different mediums.
So if you were to bestow uponus common people the writing advice,
(41:22):
be it, you know, screenplay,musical, books, now what would it
be?
The best writing advice iswrite what you're passionate about,
what you care about.
Write in a genre that you loveto read yourself or that you love
to, you know, watch a movieabout, you know, we like mystery
(41:43):
thrillers.
We love mystery thrillers.
So we decided to write in that.
And so I think write what you.
Love, you know, I agree.
And also use the repository ofexperiences of your decades on earth,
your dreams, the horribledisappointments, all the pain, the
(42:04):
pleasures.
And you've.
You've known thousands ofpeople in your lives.
You've seen people come tohorrible ends.
You've seen people have great endings.
Look at the human condition.
It's very fascinating.
And dig deep within yourselfand all you've observed in your life
and use that as material.
I think everything youexperience in life is material if
you're a writer.
(42:25):
I mean, you just.
All of our travels.
The reason there's so muchrichness in the book about the locations
is all of those locationswe've been to.
And that's one thing we didn'tmention is in the true story of writing
this.
It took a worldwide search byus to glean everything we could about
Christino's father and why heleft the family.
Being a super dad, left them,said he could never see them again.
(42:47):
And tracking down what wecould, we had to go to Canada, England,
Ireland.
We went to France, we metpeople, Italy Italy.
And so a lot in the book,you'll read about these scenes, and
we were at all of theseplaces, so, you know, you're.
That was an example of reallife being melded into actual fiction.
(43:08):
So use your life with your art.
And that's the beauty of fiction.
You can make sense of thingsin life that sometimes don't make
any sense.
You can create art and poetryout of the pain that you've gone
through or the joys you'vegone through, but you can always.
You can use this as materialthat I think feeds your soul.
(43:31):
Yeah.
Wow.
Well, folks, it is a poignant,powerful story.
It's a debut of these twochildren, Chasing Shadows.
And it is.
It's rich and it's textured,and there are lots of sad moments,
but at the end, you'rehopeful, so it's.
It's something you gotta check out.
If you'd like to learn more,go to adams-entertainment.com.
(43:55):
correct.
Yes.
That would lead you to all ofthe booksellers.
And also, oh, one thing wedid, we created a book trailer.
Because we're filmmakers, wehad to just do that.
And it's had almost 300,000views on YouTube.
So if you get a chance, go toAdam's Entertainment YouTube channel
(44:17):
and check out the ChasingShadows book trailer.
Whoa.
I did not even see.
See that.
Let me see.
Hang on one second, becauseI'm on which.
Which tab is it under?
I'm at about right on the.
Right on the main page.
There's something that saysbook trailer right.
There in front of me.
Yeah, it'll take you there.
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When my father vanished, heleft me a message that he had a new
life and must never see me again.
I was devastated.
He was a wonderful dad.
I idolized him.
Why would he do such a cruel thing?
I had to find out.
Sophia embarks on a globalsearch to learn the truth about her
(45:02):
family and discovers a hiddenworld more shocking than she could
have imagined.
A web of family secrets andlies that challenge everything she
thought she knew.
After clues sent her to Italy,Sophia reconnects with her estranged
mother, Ella.
Together, they uncover Aiden'sties to an elusive, powerful society
(45:23):
operating in the shadows ofworld affairs.
The Brotherhood.
Sophia and Ella are trapped inancient catacombs and must fight
for their lives.
But one question remains.
Will Aiden choose his family or.
The Brotherhood.
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Couldn'T resist trying to givea sense of the cinematic quality
it would have.
Yeah.
And it's.
If you have a minute and ahalf, it'll tell you the story in
a minute.
And a half.
This has been delightful.
Thank you for putting up withall the crazy tech issues with Idiot
Box here at the beginning ofthe show.
That was all part of the fun.
It's been great.
(46:34):
It's been really great.
So great to meet you.
Yeah.
And thanks for inviting us.
It's been fun.
Absolutely.
And.
And I promise you, I promiseyou, I mean, literally, I bet you
we are less than 15 minutesaway from each other, probably.
So.
Yeah.
So we'll have to meet forlunch at Eddie V's and have some
wine.
Are they open for lunch?
I forget.
Or dinner?
Early dinner?
Well, whatever.
(46:55):
We'll go somewhere and have wine.
Whatever it takes.
Yeah.
I love me some wine.
So who cares where or when?
Well, folks, once Again, it isadams-entertainment.com A.C. adams,
Chasing Shadows.
And folks, just so delightful.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
(47:16):
Your number one podcast forstories that.
Thrill the Thriller Zone.
Foreign.
Welcome to the Thriller Zone.
Guess who?
Dave Teppel, your host.
How you been?
It has been a long time sincewe've chatted.
Actually, it's only been acouple of weeks, but it feels that
way.
I got an email the other day,Dave, where's the.
Where's the Thriller Zone been?
(00:20):
What happened?
Here's a straight up.
Tammy and I went away for anice little vacation to Europe, and
we got so wrapped up in itthat when I got back, I was so addicted
to having time off that I justkind of stuck with it.
So we do have a number ofshows coming at you in the next couple
of months that are going to bequite interesting.
(00:42):
Lots of goodness straight ahead.
And I've got a couple ofpersonal projects that I'm working
on that I'm going to betelling you about in the coming weeks.
Not today, but soon.
Hey, let me tell you something.
There's a book written by ahusband, wife, team, Christina and
Anthony Adams.
A.C. adams, Chasing Shadows, adelightful read that is based on
(01:04):
real events.
You're going to enjoy theshow, I guarantee it.
So without any further ado,let me shut my yammering self and
introduce you to Christina andAnthony Adams right here on the Thriller
Zone.
Let's start the show here.
And I'm kind of.
I'm a little bit embarrassedby this, but maybe not because.
(01:26):
Mm.
We're.
We're neighbors.
We're gonna get that.
Yeah, that in a minute.
So I'm down in La Jolla.
My wife and I were havingdinner at Eddie V's.
Yeah.
One of our favorites.
Good restaurant.
Yeah.
Best food in the world.
Great view, too.
Great view.
(01:46):
Probably can see your home for there.
So I pick up, pick up a copyof La Jolla Light.
This was in april, folks, of seven.
April 17th of this year.
Look who had this great bigold spread.
I'm like, yeah, that's whenthe book.
Right before it came out.
Right before it came out.
(02:08):
So I looked at this and I putit aside and I said, note to self,
David, sit down with these folks.
That was in April.
Few things happened betweenApril and now, so we won't go into
that.
But so I just want you to knowI've had this sitting on my desk
since April.
So then your people reached.
Your people, reached out to mypeople and said, hey, would you.
(02:32):
Would you love to chat with them?
I'm like, yes.
And I had a little technical,a little scheduling thing, and we
finally got it together.
All that said, here it is, October.
I know, it's just Been likeflying off the shelves.
Right?
It's been doing good.
Yeah.
Good, good.
We're lucky.
That's what I like to hear.
And we've had some very goodreviews too.
(02:54):
Now here's a qu.
By the way, folks, oflistening and watching at home.
AC Adams is Anthony andChristina Adams.
They're Nom de Bloom and theChasing Shadows, of course, is the
book.
Lovely book.
It feels very much.
I felt like.
It's funny when I was reading it.
I felt like I was reading atravelogue meets a mystery meets
(03:19):
a little dash of memoir.
A dash.
I mean, it is a fiction basedon true events, but it's the true
events that.
Yeah.
Yes.
I'm like, wow.
Because as I was going backthrough this and I kept seeing this
everywhere based on, you know,real life events.
And you don't get to see thathappen very often in, in the thriller
(03:42):
world.
Right, right, quick shout outto Warwicks there in lovely LA Hoya,
because if I had had thepresence of mind to come down there
and see you guys, sue, myfriend sue down at Warwicks, we would
have.
We would have done it up.
Right, anyway, so let's do this.
(04:02):
I've got so many things I wantto talk to you about, but I want
to make sure that we coverthis book because a lot of folks,
folks will write in and go,david, why do you mention this, the
book near the end of the show?
Because I gotta wait that long.
Then you have other peoplegoing, why, why, why do you play
it at the beginning?
I want to get to know them.
So I'm always vacillatingbetween which works best.
(04:24):
And I kind of tend to rollwith whatever just feels right to
me.
But let's go ahead and talkabout the book a little bit because
I got several juicy things.
Here's where I'm going to getmy audience.
I've got several juicy thingsthat you're going to want to stick
around for because these folksare mega talented.
Let's talk about the book.
So we decided to write thisbook as a mystery thriller based
(04:50):
on my father's secret life.
And because his life was likea Gordian knot that could not be
unraveled, we ultimately madeit a fiction, couldn't be a memoir,
because there were thingsabout his life we could never discover.
Try as we might, they were hidden.
(05:11):
And so, as you said, it is acombination of kind of inspired by
true events.
We've been working in thetelevision industry for decades and
this felt like it should be a novel.
So this is Our debut novel,Chasing Shadows, it's the first time
we've done a novel together.
When you find out everythingthat they've done up to this point,
(05:34):
the fact that they are sayingto you right now, and bear with me
when I say this, because I'molder than you are, when you get
to debut at our age, it's areally, I think, A, it's a cool thing.
B, it's a great message to theworld that you don't have to be young,
fresh face to debut at something.
(05:56):
You do it.
You start where you stand, asmy sister will always say.
Right.
I agree.
I agree.
Yes.
It was incredibly rewarding.
We were thinking, why didn'twe start with novelness?
Because after all the mediumswe've worked in, it is so satisfying
to have a big enough canvas.
For instance, this story,after we'd done all of our research,
(06:17):
it covered 70 years from threepoints of view in multiple countries.
And in a screenplay, you'donly catch a piece of that, unless
it was a series.
And we wanted to get deeplyinto the psyches of all of these
characters, which we had thelatitude to do with the novel form.
So we ended up really falling in.
Love with writing so much fun novels.
(06:38):
I mean, after years of writingfor television, which is pretty generally
thin, I mean, screenplays tendto be more thin.
This was really rich and funto do.
We had a great time doing it.
And for my listeners, who.
And I have a wide variety oflisteners, they're writers, they're
(06:59):
screenplay writers.
They're just big fans.
So when you say thin, I thinkChristina, if I'm correct, thin,
meaning a screenplay isgenerally on a film.
Like one.
10, 120, 130 pages.
Right.
So.
And a book.
It's your.
I don't have it off the top ofmy head, but I'm going to peek real
quick.
So 314.
(07:20):
Yeah, yeah, 14.
Okay.
Enough to tell you yourbusiness, Darren.
We cut those last few pages, but.
The point being, as you canimagine, you have to consolidate
a lot of the story in order toget it into screenplay form.
So I'm going to insert thisstory here.
So Christina's worked with theAmazing Race, one of the greatest
(07:41):
television shows, maybe of the last.
Yeah.
I don't know, 20, 30 years.
And then, of course, Anthonyis a musician now.
Secret little inside scoop.
They met at a beach club wherehe was strumming his guitar, and
she was probably just swooningin the audience.
(08:02):
Would that be safe to say?
That would be safe to say, yes.
Sparks flew and we ended upgetting married very quickly after
that.
And you're celebrating howmany we've been.
Together for 40 years.
That is an accomplishment,especially in this world.
People always ask us, how inthe world can a married couple co
(08:23):
write?
Because we've written songstogether, we've written screenplays
together, and we've writtenfor the theater together.
And so now we've written.
And how can you possiblycollaborate without killing each
other?
Yeah.
And what is that answer, Anthony?
And her elbow is right nearyour ribs, so be careful.
Right.
Well, we started from day one.
(08:45):
We've developed a kind ofcollaborative style that is really
seamless to start with.
We really welcomecollaboration and it's all about
the content of the story andthe characters, not about who comes
up with which part.
And what we do is if we evercome to a disagreement about a story
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point or a character, one ofus loves something, the other one
can't stand it, we throw itaway and we come up with something
new that we both like.
I mean, we'll defend our positions.
It's like I'll say I reallylike this because.
But if I can't convince himand he'll say he really likes that
because we can't convince eachother, we go, okay, let's find there's
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some things that gelling here.
And we always find a thirdsolution that seems to work better
than either solutionseparately, because we write separately,
we come up with an outline,basically story structure, and then
we split the work in half andhe'll write one half, I'll write
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one half, and then we tradehalves and we rewrite each other.
And so our guiding principleis check your ego at the door.
Because it's all about the work.
It's not about who came upwith it or who thinks of this or
who thinks of that.
And we try our best to alwaysmake the work first and not us.
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In this case, we wanted tohave the pacing of a thriller.
And many of the things in thestory have.
Are automatically fit thethriller genre and mystery genre.
So we started out, we wrote a62 page outline with short taught
chapters, each one of whichleaves you with a question that you
want to learn the answer to.
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And what happens is, so we getthis outline together, like Christina
said, we each write a separatehalf, but along the way we don't
adhere slavishly to the outline.
One of us will come up with anew character, we'll come up with
a new scene, we'll come upwith a new story direction, and then
when the other Person reads it.
That gets worked into notes,which then take a new outline, we
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keep flopping halves, and thenwe start reading everything out loud
together, which is very usefulfor dialogue.
And ultimately those last fewdrafts, when we're really happy with
the structure of the wholestory, then that's all done with
reading out loud and making tweaks.
And as we're tweaking, we're,you know, we're commenting and editing
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and just.
It kind of works really wellfor us.
Now you just mentioned thatyou did a 62 beat outline, and I
see that it's actually 62 chapters.
So that structure didn'tactually go away.
No, no, just the content.
Some of the content changed.
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Like there were charactersthat needed to be discovered, that
needed to be there that wedidn't know when we were getting
the outline.
Because it's a beat outline.
It's kind of an outline that'sjust rough.
Okay, this kind of shape ofthis chapter, shape of that chapter.
So they're very like few sentences.
But then as you're writing it,you go, okay, this character needs
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to exist and this characterneeds to go away.
And people change.
Your characters startdictating to you as you're working.
And that's a really fun thing.
Um, so we had, we had fun.
There's so much to unpack there.
First of all, I have never cowritten with anyone.
I've had a lot of co writerson this show and I've never really,
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and I'm going to admit thisstraight up to my listeners, I have
never really fully understood it.
I mean, I understand itintellectually, but I've never understood
the ability to.
So Anthony's writing his world.
He's going along, chugga,chugga, chugga.
Christina has her ideas, soAnthony hands it to her.
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She may to you, Christina, youmay or may not like it.
Or, you know, and then you,you pass it back off.
That to me is kind of wacky.
And maybe that's only becauseI've only written in solitude.
However, on the other side ofthe coin, as I was listening to you,
I'm like, boy, think of the.
And correct me if I'm wrong.
Think about the amount ofpressure that it takes off of you
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from the standpoint of if yougo up.
Well, it's called going up ona line when you're on camera.
But if you, you know, you loseyour train of conscious, you know,
stream of consciousness, oryou get caught up in something that
doesn't really work, then yourpartner can go, you know, does that
really Work for you, becauselet me show you what I think could
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help you work.
I mean, does this.
This is making sense.
That's exactly how we work.
Exactly.
And we also have a very wideframe of reference.
I have different life experiences.
He has different life experiences.
I'm a female, he's a male.
So it gives us a broaderperspective, I think.
And because we respect eachother, I think it works really well,
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because I respect what hethinks and he respects what I think.
And if something is just notworking, he respects the fact that
it's not working.
And surely there's another.
There's a solution that will work.
And as we discussed, theoutline is literally a roadmap.
So we kind of know where we'regoing, but we don't know, you know,
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the branches and the twistsand the turns along the way.
We just.
That happens spontaneously as we.
It's probably because we hadthe end completely formulated, that
even if a chapter would go, itwould get replaced by another chapter.
So the overall arc of thestory, beginning, middle, and end,
stayed the same, althoughthere were many changes within it.
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But the other thing, thewonderful thing about collaboration,
and that's the same thing withsongwriting as well, and is that
each of our consciousnesses,if you see them a shape, they each
have overlap things that weboth know.
But then there's all of thesethings that Christina knows and experiences
she's had that I don't, and Ihave some experiences and knowledge
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that she doesn't.
So we actually have a morebandwidth, more lived experience,
and additional points of viewto draw from.
So it's actually really fun to collaborate.
As I am listening to you both,and as I'm getting to know you, you
remind me so much of my wifeand I.
Now we have not your clock in40 years.
We're coming up on 10.
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But I was a confirmed bachelorfor almost my entire life until I
found Little Miss Princess,which is right behind door number
one.
And I think the magic, youknow, we.
We came.
You said something, Anthony,that triggered my mind.
We came to the world, to ourworlds, cohesive worlds with a lot
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of life experiences and nothaving to prove a lot of stuff and
its own set of maturity, soour rough edges can kind of smooth
each other's out.
She has a.
She is.
Which one's Right Brain and left.
Right Brain is super creative.
Right, Anthony?
Is that right?
Yeah.
Okay, so I'm super creative.
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She's not creative at all.
I couldn't balance a checkbookwith a gun to my head.
She loves spreadsheets.
So we knew when we got together.
I'm like, well, this is kindof crazy, but I think this is gonna
work.
And it's worked so well.
Kind of like you're talking about.
Exactly.
So when you can feed off ofeach other's strength.
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And I noticed something, folks.
You're going to appreciate this.
Before we came on, there was atechnical issue, which I probably
secretly wanted to point afinger at my new two.
Two new friends.
However, it was my.
My fault.
And I love it when I can justsay that, because I was an idiot
in that particular moment.
But we're talking along and.
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And Anthony was reacting like me.
Well, let's try this, like.
And Christine is like, hang onjust a minute.
When I heard her say that, Iheard my wife go.
Because I'll get like,Anthony, like, come on, come on.
And she'll like, hang on justa minute.
And it's that timber thatsays, I want to slap you right now
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and pull your hair out, but ifyou could just kindly move aside,
I think I've got it.
Anyways, so close am I.
How close am I?
Very close.
Very close.
All right, let me go back tothe book a second.
One of the things I lovedabout this book and is the massive
dialogue.
Now, a lot of people go, well,Dave, I don't know if I like that
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too much.
It reads like a screenplay.
I'm like, well, maybe that'sbecause I read, like, screenplays
and I write, like,screenplays, and I like tons of dialogue.
Because guess what?
What do you go to a book for?
Characters.
And what do characters do?
They talk.
They talk, right?
Bravo, too.
We automatically.
We do love to include dialoguein all of our writing, and maybe
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it is all the years ofscreenwriting, but it felt.
It came across when we needed it.
We felt like the charactersneeded to talk to each other and
they needed to express themselves.
And so we kept a lot ofdialogue intentionally.
Um.
It's more like real life.
As you said, people do talk.
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Well, look, you can.
You can paint the picture ofthe room that the characters are
going to walk into.
You can paint the picture ofthe weather outside that window.
And you can tell me whatthey're wearing and what they're
eating and drinking.
And that's all well and good.
It's funny.
The older I've gotten, whichis coming on pretty fast.
And the more I read, whichincludes about two books a week,
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I realize that so much of thatis really unnecessary.
And I go and I have thisconversation with myself.
David, is that because yourattention span is decreasing with
every day with social mediaand you're just kind of brain dead.
Or is it because I just likethe art of conversation?
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Right.
Well, yeah, you're.
You're a talker.
Look at you, you're hosting a podcast.
As evidence, by the way,you're stepping all over me, David.
No, it's fantastic.
We love it.
Well, I, I have to split offto this because when I found this
out, I nearly danced a jig.
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Well, there's an old phrase.
There is a movie that I saw acouple years ago and when I saw it,
I was mesmerized.
This is my tee up and I'mwatching it on this and I'm like,
oh my God, this is one of thegreatest movies I've ever seen.
And it's a simple little movieand I'm watching it and this is when
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I was really starting to getto know Paul Giamatti.
And of course, it's a storyabout wine country.
Who doesn't like wine?
And this, these two guys,these two pals are going to get in
the car and they're going togo to wine country and have some
wine.
And the movie, the book is called.
Oh, the movie is called Sideways.
And I, I've watched it maybeprobably seven or eight times.
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So I've got a really good idea.
And then I'm doing a littlehomework on my two new friends here.
Guess what they've done?
They've taken Sideways andturned it into a musical.
Tell me about that.
Well, this has been such awonderful journey.
And this has been acollaboration between me and my old
friend Rex Pickett, who wrotethe novel that the movie was based
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on.
And Rex and I have known eachother forever.
And of course, it's a greatnovel and he's a great writer.
And Rex called, this is in LAwhen we were up there, he said, look,
I've got a play version ofSideways now.
Would you like to come see it?
Invited me and Christina to alittle theater in Santa Monica.
It was absolutely hilariousand wonderful, but it expanded upon
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the book with some new scenes,so some, some new characters and
was really fun.
And I said to Rex, hey, youknow, this would make a great musical.
He said, really?
And I said, really?
Absolutely.
Because I was hearing songsand thinking of song placement while
we were listening to the playbecause it just, there are moments
that should just break intosong, you know, like it has the,
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the basis for that.
So he said, great, let's collaborate.
So we worked on the book, weco wrote the lyrics, we turned a
Little guest house we had intoa recording studio, recorded all
the songs there.
And then, to our wonderfulsurprise, Broadway Records, one of
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the top labels for musicals,wanted to release it.
And very unusual for anunstaged musical to get released
by a major record label.
But they thought that thesongs were incredibly catchy and
that the piece had the chanceto eventually, perhaps be fortunate
enough to go to Broadway inthe West End.
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And they wanted to be inbusiness with us and work together
down the line.
Anthony wrote some amazingsongs, really funny ones.
And one of them's called noFucking Merlot, because of Paul Giamatti's
line in the movie.
I remember exactly where thatline inspired by that.
Yeah, it's very funny.
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But there's all kinds of fun things.
And his record is available,by the way, on all the streaming
platforms, Apple Music,Spotify, et cetera.
His little things that Rex hadput in the book and put in the play
that most people never notice.
For instance, there's a linefrom when Miles is meeting with his
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mother and he's gonna stealmoney for the road trip.
And she talks to him that youdon't believe in God.
And he says, I believe in Dionysus.
That's my go God, the ancientGreek God of the grape and hedonism
and ecstasy.
And so I thought, right.
So we talked about how aboutwhen Miles is really drunk or dreaming
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instead of a guy, the way thebook opens, the movie opens, who's
down on his luck.
His writing career is going nowhere.
He can't afford the rent.
He's recently been divorced,but in his dreams, he is Dionysus,
God of the grape, with hisharem of nymphs and satyrs.
He's an actual God.
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Then he wakes up and he's inthese horrendous circumstances.
So, like scene one of themovie God of the Grape, you know,
the.
Musical opens with a reallyamazing number called God of the
Grape.
You know, he's sleeping in bedin his apartment, but in his mind,
he's this God.
And he wakes up to a phonecall from the agent saying, hey,
a small independent publisheris interested in your novel.
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And he's buoyed with enthusiasm.
He has a noose there.
He was, you know, on the edgeof suicide.
And that's when Jack shows upfor the road trip.
And then he dips back into hisinner life in other places.
So there were ways to enrichand come up with new things that
work really well for scenesand musicals.
He also.
They also expanded the role ofthe two women in There, which I thought
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was really nice.
They have a really strong partnow in the musical.
I don't want to geek out toomuch, but I'm going to because it's
my show, first of all.
Now, I could have sworn Ithink I have seen the marquee of
the musical.
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So it tells me it's in the past.
So I can't currently see it.
Correct.
The musical has not been done yet.
It's in development now.
And we're in talks to premiereSideways the Musical in concert next
summer at a regional theaternot far from Washington D.C. and
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hopefully I'll be able toannounce those dates soon.
What we're doing, we're doinga two phase trip.
One is we have Sideways themusical in concert, which is all
19 songs with a smaller cast,three men, three women, a projection,
rear screen projection behindthe screen to set the scene, and
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some really fun and hilariousshort narration that connects the
song so you get the story context.
And so that's how it will workas a concert.
It will pair really well withfood and wine.
Yeah.
Of course, we have a testversion of this in Sonoma Buena Vista
Winery, where we did 10 songsand it was so well received, we decided
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to develop the whole show that way.
And of course we have the fullversion of the musical.
And that's a nice steppingstone of to the full music with all
the sets and costumes and thelarger cast.
Okay, well, first of all, ifyou ever need any help researching
whether it's words or wine orfood or wine, please feel free to
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lean on your new buddy Dave.
I'd be happy.
And I cannot wait to see.
I have to have front row seatsor close to.
I gotta get some good seats tothe music.
You will have those.
Thank you.
Because I'm telling you, oneof my all time favorite movies.
And if you've never seen this,folks, you gotta see the movie.
It's just, it's, it'spoignant, it's powerful.
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The little.
Oh, I could go on for hours.
I don't know why it affectedme so well.
It's just great, great storytelling.
But I cannot wait to hear the musical.
And I.
And I. I must have just seenthe sign in my head and thought it
was already on Broadway.
But either way, uh, I cannot wait.
And that's next year, you're saying?
That's next year.
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And once I have the details,we'll be announcing that on our website.
Cool.
Well, I'm telling you, thereis so much talent sitting in front
of me, it's crazy to Thinkwe've got TV shows, Oprah, Amazing
Race, musicals, now your debut novel.
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I mean, there.
So it makes me wonder, itmakes me ask.
And, and, and I love thisidea, the fact that it's never too
late to start.
It's never too late to havethat dream.
I'm, I'm always saying this tomy friends, like, oh, but I'm, I'm
retired.
I'm getting close to retirement.
I'm like, so what?
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You're, you still got years ahead.
Who cares?
Yeah, why not do the thingsthat really matter to you while you're
still.
And while you're still alive.
I mean, you're not dead yet,so do what you want to do.
I mean, the beauty of being atthis age for some of us, thank God
we're in that position, is wedo what we want to do now because
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we're making money elsewhere.
So we decided to make, I mean,we hope this novel is a wild success
and we anticipate turning itinto a limited series.
But, you know, if it doesn'thappen, that's okay because we're,
it's, it was, it was a passionproject, you know.
With you too, with yourwriting and all your work and podcasting.
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I think that creativity is theonly addiction that no 12 step program
can cure.
And you do these thingsbecause you're compelled to do them.
No one could stop you.
Oh my God, my wife, when shehears this later, she's going to
go, well, that's you.
Because, man, I'll tell you, Ican sit down at this desk and I,
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I lie not to you.
We're up at 5, we go to thegym at 6.
I'm, I can come home, sit downat this desk at 7:30 and just create
until it's 7:30 at night andeven barely look up.
And it doesn't.
And it's, it's heaven to me.
It's like breathing and eatingchocolate and drinking wine.
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It's the most amazing thing inthe world.
So I applaud you for yourembracing the creativity.
And, you know, it's never too late.
And you know, it's, it'sfunny, we were just talking about
this.
I mean, Robert Redford, DianeKeaton, inside the last 30 days,
two weeks, maybe even two ofthe greatest actors of all time who
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were at the top of their gameright there at the end, doing exactly
what they love.
And I, I think that's maybewhat I'm trying to walk away this
podcast with.
Besides, of course, shoutingthe praise for Chasing Shadows.
I just want to get this outto, like, chase your dreams and don't
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let a clock or wrinkles onyour face or color of your hair stop
you.
Yeah, well, it's.
The idea of retirement is avery perverse concept.
It is.
What are you going to do?
Be some just useless person onthe couch?
And that's what you do.
You know, it's like, why don'tyou take it as an opportunity to
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be wild and crazy?
You're so old, you don't haveto take any shit from anybody.
And you're saying that to me.
I get that.
Not you.
You're a spring chicken.
Oh, spring chicken.
Knocking on six, seven in acouple of weeks.
Well, there's.
So first of all,congratulations on this book.
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Congratulations on theupcoming musical.
Christina.
Congratulations on yourprolific career.
Writer, producer, on television.
I mean, talking about a tough gig.
I mean, how.
How long have you been doing that?
I.
And.
And how long you been doing it?
And.
And what's which.
Probably one of the pinnaclemoments of your television creative
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world.
Well, I mean, we've been doingit since like, 1985.
Ish.
Yeah, I think.
Yeah, 85.
So a long time.
And we did.
I mean, we did a lot ofdifferent things.
We wrote for Disney.
Hanna Barbera wrote children's animation.
We then started doing TV movies.
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And then I started.
That was just as writers.
And then we became producersand we did a lot of different shows.
One of my favorite series thatI worked on was.
Is called Oprah's Masterclass.
And have you seen it?
It's really good.
Yes, yes, yes.
And I'm very proud of thatbecause we interviewed the most interesting
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variety of people.
One of the most interestingones was Barbara Walters.
And I'll just tell you thatone, because she inspired me in several
ways, she said, which mostpeople won't admit.
She said, you know, I was verylucky and I was very hardworking.
And she said, but you have tohave both.
You have to have luck and youhave to work hard.
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Most people think it's justthe brilliance of their talent.
That happens.
She was the first to admitthat it was actually she was fortunate.
And, you know, you have tocount your blessings.
I was very fortunate.
I met people who thenintroduced me to other people who
then introduced me to other people.
And I've been working forOprah Winfrey now since 2011, still
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working.
I'm a producer on her newestshow, which is the Oprah Podcast
and Oprah's Book Club.
And so that's really fun.
I mean, we did interviews withBarack Obama, Michelle Obama.
We've done amazing.
She's done amazing work.
We did the special with Meganand Harry.
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We did the special with Adeleon cbs, which was great.
She's another inspiration,Oprah, because she took at what would
be considered probably a mosthorrific childhood.
I mean, she had a very, verydifficult childhood.
I mean, she's admitted to thispublicly, so I'm not sharing something
out of school here, but.
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And turned her entire lifeinto what is truly a magnificent
body of work.
And so she was an inspiration,too, you know, and, of course, the
Amazing Race is just a blastand a lot of fun.
I've been doing that since 2010.
I've been a producer on that show.
So that's just a fun show.
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I just love doing it.
And I've done hundreds ofdifferent television series.
So, yeah, two things havepopped in my head.
One.
One is I. I auditioned for theAmazing Race, and I. I got bumped
on it, but I. I always thoughtit was such a great, fun show because
it allowed the average bear togo compete on a huge level.
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And about 15 minutes ago, Ialmost used the word when I was talking
about.
When I was geeking out on howexcited I was about all your work,
I almost came out with theword manifestation because I'm a
big fan of manifestation andhow you can manifest what you want
if you get clarity and focusand believe in it, of course.
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And when you said Oprah, I waslike, I remember one of the greatest
episodes, one of my favorites,because I'm a big Wayne Dyer fan.
And when he was on talking toher, and I'm gonna hope I don't massacre
this.
When you change the way youlook at things.
The way you look at things change.
I think that's true.
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One of the greatest quotes ofall time.
It's in a book that I'mgetting ready to release soon.
And it has to do with that.
And I wanted to get this pointacross that, you know, we look at
life.
Oh, I sure would like to dothat, but, you know, I can't do that
because Hollywood's a toughplace or they're not doing that anymore.
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And I. I've never been that person.
And my wife will often say tome, you know, how do you.
How do you get the.
How do you get to where you've gotten?
I'm like, I never stopped tothink about the how.
I just really focused on the what.
I just, like, I know what Iwanted, and that's just what I aimed
for.
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And I figured the.
The world, the universe,whatever you want to call it.
I don't want to be too woo woo.
But it'll worry about the how you're.
Talking about woo woo to woowoo people.
So it's okay.
Okay, good.
It's woo then.
All right.
I agree.
You do have.
But.
But that's what I was saying,that Barbara Walters interview that
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inspired me.
You do have to have thatdetermination and fearlessness and
just go for it if that's whatyou want to do.
And it is a tough place.
It's a very tough business.
But if you believe inyourself, you believe what you can
do, it's totally achievable.
But you also have to have luck.
You have to have doors openand you have to have a lot of kind
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people ushering in, you know,to get your foot in the door.
You have to have luck.
It's just.
It's a fact.
There's a lot of kindredspirits in the world.
So you have to be on thelookout for your tribe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And when you find your tribe, you.
They will help you succeed.
Yeah.
I think it's just.
It's a fact.
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Well, yeah.
Find your tribe.
That's good.
Tammy and I have a.
A friend who lives in Canada,and he said something one day, Don
Campbell, he said, you'll cometo a point in your life when you
realize that the people yousurround yourself with will probably
reflect.
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And I'm massacring this, butthis is the gist of it will probably
reflect the level of successthat you will find.
Gist of it being don'tsurround yourself with people who
are naysayers or negative or,you know, choose to wallow in the
unsuccess, but focus on thesuccess or what you want in the dream.
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And you made this comment,Christina, about being lucky.
I also think you have tocreate some of that luck.
And you use the word kind.
Finding kind people, and Iwould say be kind in the process
because people are attractedto kindness.
That's all true.
I agree 100%.
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Let us all take a moment andjust namaste.
Yes.
And also, I'm sure you do this.
We're huge fans of movies,theater, concerts.
Always be going and seeing allthe wonderful work that's around
you and you stay perpetually inspired.
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Yes.
When we're not at the RadyShell or the San Diego Symphony,
we're at the Old Globe or theLa Jolla Playhouse or the Con and
drinking in all thisincredible creativity that's happening
all around us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You all.
I was noticing.
Where did I see this?
Did I I either saw.
No, it had to be on yourwebsite where there's a picture of
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you guys sitting on a balconyand it said something about you're
overlooking what you get tolook at every day.
So I'm guessing that's La Hoya.
Actually, that picture is fromItaly, from, from the island.
An island off of Tuscany.
Yeah, Elba.
We were on vacation on that one.
But it does look, it doesremind me of La Jolla when you think.
Yeah, it is nice.
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I mean, we, we moved here fouryears ago during the pandemic because
we lived in la for over 30years and every bit of my work, I
would have to go in if, if theshow was being shot on one of the
sound stages at WarnerBrothers or, you know, whatever,
whatever studio, Sony, Paramount.
So I'd have to drive in every day.
(38:27):
And then the pandemic hit andevery single show that I worked on
became remote.
And so for almost two years,our cars sat and never moved.
And I worked and I said toAnthony, I don't have to go in anymore.
You know, let's.
We can move.
And I was born in San Diego,so I'm a native here.
(38:47):
My family's here and Ithought, we can move back.
It's much prettier down there.
And LA is only two hours away.
So.
Yeah, we still go.
We were up there two weeks agoat the last bookstore doing an event.
We did one at the LA TimesFestival of Books.
So every time we can.
We'd love to go out, hang outwith our wonderful LA friends.
(39:08):
Sure.
And.
But they're so close.
That's another thing about San Diego.
You can have the strengths ofboth towns.
Yeah, yeah, I, it is nice.
We're going to go up in acouple of weekends to see a Smart
List podcast.
Those three clowns on thatpodcast, we're going to see about
the Hollywood Bowl.
So, you know, we, we grab anychance we can.
(39:28):
And you said something aboutmusic, absorbing music.
We were just in London a fewweeks ago, which is part of the reason
I wanted to say this, part ofthe reason that we couldn't sit down
face to face.
I know somebody somewhere isgoing, Dave, you, you're always talking
about how you love face toface and yet you're right down the
street from them and yousitting there with them.
And I'm like, well, I justcame off a three week vacation.
(39:50):
I'm getting ready to take offfor a 10 day writing retreat, so
I'm really scurrying.
So we're going to do it againin Person.
Okay, great.
Sounds good.
Yes.
But we got to see Cole play atWembley Stadium.
Oh, my goodness, that sounds amazing.
Let me just say, if you everget a chance to see them, you have
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to.
It is a love fest like nothingI've ever seen.
Of course, Wembley Stadium isnothing to.
It's pretty remarkable.
But my point is, and you madethis so beautifully, you have to
absorb your.
Absorb art and creativity andjust feed the machine.
(40:37):
Because it really is, youknow, creativity as a machine.
It's like working a muscle.
You gotta feed it.
Right.
Yes.
It's one of your importantfood groups.
Yes.
We'll come up with a new triangle.
Right, right, right.
Well, now, I always close theshow because I gotta wrap.
I always close the show withasking for the best writing advice.
(40:58):
And I know that you're debutauthors, so you wouldn't perhaps
say, well, Dave, we haven'tbeen writing long enough to come
up with writing advice, exceptfor the fact that you've been writing
your whole life and a numberof different mediums.
So if you were to bestow uponus common people the writing advice,
(41:22):
be it, you know, screenplay,musical, books, now what would it
be?
The best writing advice iswrite what you're passionate about,
what you care about.
Write in a genre that you loveto read yourself or that you love
to, you know, watch a movieabout, you know, we like mystery
(41:43):
thrillers.
We love mystery thrillers.
So we decided to write in that.
And so I think write what you.
Love, you know, I agree.
And also use the repository ofexperiences of your decades on earth,
your dreams, the horribledisappointments, all the pain, the
(42:04):
pleasures.
And you've.
You've known thousands ofpeople in your lives.
You've seen people come tohorrible ends.
You've seen people have great endings.
Look at the human condition.
It's very fascinating.
And dig deep within yourselfand all you've observed in your life
and use that as material.
I think everything youexperience in life is material if
you're a writer.
(42:25):
I mean, you just.
All of our travels.
The reason there's so muchrichness in the book about the locations
is all of those locationswe've been to.
And that's one thing we didn'tmention is in the true story of writing
this.
It took a worldwide search byus to glean everything we could about
Christino's father and why heleft the family.
Being a super dad, left them,said he could never see them again.
(42:47):
And tracking down what wecould, we had to go to Canada, England,
Ireland.
We went to France, we metpeople, Italy Italy.
And so a lot in the book,you'll read about these scenes, and
we were at all of theseplaces, so, you know, you're.
That was an example of reallife being melded into actual fiction.
(43:08):
So use your life with your art.
And that's the beauty of fiction.
You can make sense of thingsin life that sometimes don't make
any sense.
You can create art and poetryout of the pain that you've gone
through or the joys you'vegone through, but you can always.
You can use this as materialthat I think feeds your soul.
(43:31):
Yeah.
Wow.
Well, folks, it is a poignant,powerful story.
It's a debut of these twochildren, Chasing Shadows.
And it is.
It's rich and it's textured,and there are lots of sad moments,
but at the end, you'rehopeful, so it's.
It's something you gotta check out.
If you'd like to learn more,go to adams-entertainment.com.
(43:55):
correct.
Yes.
That would lead you to all ofthe booksellers.
And also, oh, one thing wedid, we created a book trailer.
Because we're filmmakers, wehad to just do that.
And it's had almost 300,000views on YouTube.
So if you get a chance, go toAdam's Entertainment YouTube channel
(44:17):
and check out the ChasingShadows book trailer.
Whoa.
I did not even see.
See that.
Let me see.
Hang on one second, becauseI'm on which.
Which tab is it under?
I'm at about right on the.
Right on the main page.
There's something that saysbook trailer right.
There in front of me.
Yeah, it'll take you there.
(44:41):
When my father vanished, heleft me a message that he had a new
life and must never see me again.
I was devastated.
He was a wonderful dad.
I idolized him.
Why would he do such a cruel thing?
I had to find out.
Sophia embarks on a globalsearch to learn the truth about her
(45:02):
family and discovers a hiddenworld more shocking than she could
have imagined.
A web of family secrets andlies that challenge everything she
thought she knew.
After clues sent her to Italy,Sophia reconnects with her estranged
mother, Ella.
Together, they uncover Aiden'sties to an elusive, powerful society
(45:23):
operating in the shadows ofworld affairs.
The Brotherhood.
Sophia and Ella are trapped inancient catacombs and must fight
for their lives.
But one question remains.
Will Aiden choose his family or.
The Brotherhood.
(46:14):
Couldn'T resist trying to givea sense of the cinematic quality
it would have.
Yeah.
And it's.
If you have a minute and ahalf, it'll tell you the story in
a minute.
And a half.
This has been delightful.
Thank you for putting up withall the crazy tech issues with Idiot
Box here at the beginning ofthe show.
That was all part of the fun.
It's been great.
(46:34):
It's been really great.
So great to meet you.
Yeah.
And thanks for inviting us.
It's been fun.
Absolutely.
And.
And I promise you, I promiseyou, I mean, literally, I bet you
we are less than 15 minutesaway from each other, probably.
So.
Yeah.
So we'll have to meet forlunch at Eddie V's and have some
wine.
Are they open for lunch?
I forget.
Or dinner?
Early dinner?
Well, whatever.
(46:55):
We'll go somewhere and have wine.
Whatever it takes.
Yeah.
I love me some wine.
So who cares where or when?
Well, folks, once Again, it isadams-entertainment.com A.C. adams,
Chasing Shadows.
And folks, just so delightful.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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