Episode 126: Unpopular Watch Opinions About Unpopular Watches

In this one we talk new releases, recent happenings and pieces that get all the shade.

Episode Transcript

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Music.

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Hey everybody, welcome back once again to another episode of the Wrist Cheese
Radio Podcast, your home for the horological hot takes, taboo topics,
and often unpopular watch opinions.
I'm your host, Brody Geek. With me, as always, is my good friend,
Mr. Schmidt. Schmitty, what's going on? Not a whole lot, man. How are you doing?
Not too shabby. Doing some good stuff.

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So we've got roughly, you know, counting on hands and toes here,
roughly about 10 Gs in the tank already for Medware Pink. So that's awesome.
Moving a lot of straps getting a lot of good feedback i know
you got yours finally what do you think first impression
well first impressions like right off the bat like
pulling it out of the mailbox very happy did you

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like the pink mailer oh dude it was it was so clear it
was so clutch like i was like this is very on brand i
love the pink shipping label and the pink mailer i
was like very on brand and i was very happy to see that
in my stack of mail so that was my first initial initial reaction so
already that was a positive sign and then the strap itself
man is it's extremely it's extremely high

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quality in it and i think it satiated a lot of my kind of
concerns from the from the previous one that we did last year which
is a little bulkier was a nice rubber strap it was hefty it
but it was a little thicker so you got to wear that on a heftier time piece
for sure but this one the taper is so
nice it's the right profile there's so
many adjustment points which i really love and

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i love how close they are together yeah you get a
real precise you get you like i this is probably one
of the only straps where i put it in the hole and i'm like nope that's
it like i don't need to go in or out anymore like that is the spot for it and
i love the fact that i was able to swap out my oem omega buckle for the deployment
because it's literally you know the the one the strap that the deployment class

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he's using is modeled after the omega mega point clasp.
So I love the fact that I was able to retrofit my actual OEM clasp onto the
strap perfectly with no modifications.
And it just looks, it looks OEM. So I'm like, all right, let's rock this.
So she's sitting on the moon watch right now, as you can see. And.
I i love it i think it's phenomenal so kudos to

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you and kudos to my boy at strap habit because this
is it this is a home run winning strap for sure yeah i think you
really nailed it with this one uh even some of
the the people i know who are like ah you know i've got
the previous ones but i have a little bit of a smaller wrist you know i
i like one run we did had a double length
in it where you could use a smaller length on i think
it was a sailcloth sailcloth and they were like yeah that was so great and

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i was like well wait till you get this one because it's so
adjustable and then you just tuck the excess under you
don't realize realize it's there it's it's perfect it sits nice
it's excellent like doesn't matter what size
your wrist is it nails it and they got it they
they confirm same thing they're like dude 100 right like
i was a little worried smaller wrist like a lot of times the rubber will

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uh you know it doesn't sit quite right bobbles back
and forth yeah yeah or you know i got to go all the way to
the last adjustment and then i've got this huge overhang of strap and it's really
uncomfortable or unsightly i'm like i get it man i get it but yeah they they've
confirmed that you know fits like a glove so if you haven't got one you were
on the fence you're curious go go do it and and and just just by that same token i mean.

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Obviously we're selling the ones for for for you know men wear pink and the
pink variation but even the standard models like i'm already considering ordering
a few more of the standard colorways because I have watches that I've been looking
at to have rubber straps where this would be a perfect plug-and-play.
And knowing that most of my watches are Omegas, I could swap them out with Omega

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clasps and things like that now.
I'm much more inclined to order more of them because they are that good.
So guys, go out and get them. Support the cause, but just go out and get some
more straps because they're phenomenal quality.
They're super comfortable, and you will get the perfect fit every single time,
I guarantee it's amazing.
Yeah, so that means we have to be somewhere around, I don't know,

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a quarter sold right now.
So they're not they're not flat at light speed, but they're going.
So, you know, definitely get one while you can, because I always,
always, always have people after the fact. Hey, are these still for sale?
Hey, are these coming back?
Hey, how every year, every year, every year, you know, and sometimes maybe you'll
have some that are left over in like kind of an odd size or something.

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Then you'll have one or two here and there but not many especially
not the 20s the 22s they go quick so yeah
20 especially yeah 19 to 21 is a
little easier to get sometimes but the 20s and
22s they they're gone they're gone quite fast definitely
but yeah so that was kind of the highlight of our week we kicked that off everything's
been going well you know it's been really well received big shouts to the community

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for sort of embracing it every year i know some people kind of look forward
to it every year and are just down to get you know i i understand it's It's
got to be maybe a tad annoying to be like,
am I really going to get another goddamn pink strap this year?
But some people are in for it, though. Some people are like,
when is the next one out? I'm getting it.
I mean, I'm down every year. And again, you get some of the samples and things

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like that. But for me, I buy one every single year. Mm-hmm.
I love the fact that they're so different. And I love the post that the strap
habit did where he put them side by side. Yeah. 22, 23, 24.
And I was like, that's so cool. Cause like, you really see that they are different
shades of pink. They're different materials.
They're different designs of straps. And so I was like, you know what?

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That makes me look forward to even what's going to come next.
And this one, you know, as I told you off air, it's going to be hard to top
this one. Cause it's, it's that good.
And it's cool to see that like every single year it's gotten.
It's gotten better yeah i think they've become streamlined as
we've gone you know sort of addressing not issues
from last year but like little hang-ups or like you know

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if we've worn them enough over yeah the course of like
months where you'll be like you know there was one little thing i would have
changed or this and that and then every year it just progresses and
progresses and it's going to be hard to beat this one that's for
sure let's just leave it at that so that's for sure we're already
cooking something up we'll figure something yeah we were i was already already
given you little inklings of what i was kicking around

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in the old cabasa for next year but it's gonna
be tough to beat so yeah and for those
who might be new listeners or new followers whatever you don't know we do these
straps for charity every year and 100 donation nick he's a great dude doesn't
take any profit will not accept any dough from me for production costs so all
the kudos in the world to him he really rocks it and uh puts out a really good

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uh strap so So definitely check them out.
And for any of the Yahoo's out there who, you know, there's always a few.
And we joke about having the tinfoil hat on the show sometimes,
but there's, there's always a few out there.
And like, whether it be, I've seen on like, we have some that get some people
on YouTube will review the straps and stuff.
There's a couple of people in the comments would be like, man, healthcare is a scam.

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You guys are getting washed over. This is, you know, even you shouldn't be donating
to these, but listen, just for the record, even if you're that dude, dude.
Like something like 18 goes to
like research the rest goes to people like that's
confirmed like you can go on the website the rest goes
to human beings who are either seeking treatment in treatment you know getting

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checked out etc etc etc they need lodging they need uh rides whatever it is
lights yeah yeah it's it's not simply let's just dump a bunch of money to big
pharma and let Let them make good decisions because we know,
listen, we know, all right?
We agree with you, and we know.
We're saying we know, you know, we know, okay? But only a very small portion

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does indeed go towards research, development, all that stuff.
Most of it goes to human beings, so that's really great. and also uh acs is
one of the highest they have the highest one of the highest percentages of,
amount per dollar donated which is also a reason i was like okay i could get
on board with this because that's yes acs again for those who don't know the

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american cancer society there you go,
i know you're not talking about acs but i want to make
sure people know it becomes a habit like especially i
don't know if anybody's ever gotten like a job interview lately but they
start throwing all the letters at you like kpi this that
the other thing you're like dude we just cut the cut the
shit like i get it you're just trying to like weed out the people who don't know what
that is but still like we could just talk like humans

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it's fine but anyways that was the highlight of
our week aside from that uh football's
back that's cool uh we've had some football related watch my god which is we'll
just say better or worse i did see i don't know if you saw it was pretty cool
uh kathleen my friend from red bar put up she was hanging out with eli manning

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that was pretty neat i am super jealous as a giants fan but yeah so they put out some stuff.
Trying to think of what else you know i don't know the weeks all blend together
i kind of forget what starts last week ends this week but you know just keeping busy other than that,
yeah anything uh on your end no man it's it's you know spent spent this week

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at home so i wasn't traveling this week, which is good,
but had some family stuff going on.
Recording late this week, but I'll be on the road again next week on the other
side of the country, so it'll be interesting to see where I end up.
Do you like a Where's Waldo? Yeah, where's Schmidt in the world?

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That'd be fun for our listeners. Yeah, yeah. Figure out what state Schmidt is in.
Just start dropping little hints like seedy diners and stuff. Yeah.
Just going to take a photo and start posting it on Instagram stories like, where am I, guys?
We did get some interesting news this week. So finally, finally,
finally, you can get a moon swatch online.

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You can. Yes. Listen, a lot of people had something funny to say about it.
It is, for some of the folks, I get it a little comical,
but a lot of people's big gripe is i don't
live anywhere near a swatch store and yes you could get
them on ebay yes you can get them secondhand but if you want you
shouldn't have to have to pay secondhand prices to get
them like that correct and even though they've come down to you know like the

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260s on like your watch recon and stuff you know if you wanted something that
you got straight from the package and didn't have to pick up off some guy on
the internet who you don't know if they abused it or whatever you can now get
one of the four original i believe is sun moon earth Earth and Mars.
Glad they put the Mars in there. Cause I think that's everybody's kind of fan
favorite from the original batch, but you can get those four now online,

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which, you know, for some of us was like, ha ha.
But for, I think for some people, they were like, Oh man, well,
I'm not going to go out of my way to track one of these down,
but if I could just order to my door, I guess I will.
I mean, that's, that's the way I look at it. I think that, you know,
the people that are, you know, ho humming about the fact that they're finally
online, you know, it, that was always kind of the teaser that they were going to do.

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This at some point. They didn't specify exactly when they were going to do it, but it's there now.
So if you haven't had the opportunity to snag one and you want to have kind
of one of the classic four, obviously it's not all 12 that came out initially, but.
Now this is your opportunity to grab one.
So, of course, it's not going to be the super crazy ones like Neptune or anything

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like that, at least not yet.
But, you know, this gives you an avenue to get a very cool watch.
And I will say all the good things about the Moon Swatch. As much as there's
many haters out there, again, guys, it's a Swatch. It's not an Omega.
But it is a very cool collaboration. But it's co-branded. It's co-branded.
It always cracks me up to, like, this thing broke. broke

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i'm like well what did you do with it well i fell off my bicycle wearing it
i'm like with a hammer like it has omega it should be omega quality but no it's
a swatch okay it's meant to die at some point all right but buying that's like
buying like the the 15 dollar,

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wagyu steak and being like but it's wagyu right you're like
this was terrible and you're like it was 15 bucks so yeah but
it's in the name yeah anyway
go get you a moon swatch if you don't have one yet they're cool they're fun don't take
it too seriously just go buy one it's a swatch not an
omega there you go there's my rant and in

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other not unexpected news but finally
the final days of crown and caliber i think the last pieces have been sold oh
they're done now the doors are shut end of an era i still have i think right
if you look behind me right here i have a crown of caliber hat the one of the
original ones i yeah before they were even owned by the dink i got that,

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yeah yeah they actually know it's funny that they their social media team just
put one up and i was like yo i bought a watch from you before can i get one
and they're like yeah and i was like oh cool.
That's how i got it there is one watch left in inventory oh imagine getting
the last watch what What is it?
It is a Tag Carrera Prano ceramic bezel.

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It's retailing at $3,500, but it is a 44-millimeter case.
Everything must go.
The last crown and caliber piece. That's crazy. Yep.
End of an era. I mean, but...

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What are you going to do? It was just a weird situation because even before
they were bought out, they were pretty legit. They were good people.
I never really had a problem with them. What do you mean pretty legit?
They were legit. Yeah, they were pretty legit.
They were the foremost authority for buying and selling timepieces.

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I mean, let's be honest. and they
were the first ones to have certification checks
and make it very easy and streamlined for
somebody who was outside of the industry to say hey you know what I want to
consign this watch I want to sell it you know can I get a credit could I use
this towards buying a new watch from you all of these things that they did so

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well over the years they made it very easy and there There was no scams.
For a long time, eBay and Chrono were not always the bastions of not getting scammed, right?
Yeah, for sure. You still remember the episode that we did with What's-His-Face
about the whole Chrono24 incident?

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Oh, yeah. That was crazy. I mean, it is absolutely insane.
That story still haunts me when I think about it. You know what I mean?
And since that recording, I will never do anything Chrono24 related because
of that. But regardless, you know, Chronicalibur was a place where people could
feel at ease and confident.
They weren't getting scammed. They weren't getting screwed over.

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And they were dealing with a reputable business.
Essentially pseudo face to face. And it made it easy to buy and sell.
And that's done. Now there's just a giant cavernous hole in the industry for that.
Thanks, Ben.
And you know i thought they did a good job even when they started expanding into like the,

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sort of contenty aspect of it like you know they had that dude nathan i liked
they had they got our boy mark on watch how they do mark mark they had a great
shout out to mark just for a moment just shout out to mark mark,
Big, always been a supporter of the show since we kind of first started.
Big Men Loving supporter as well. Huge, huge.

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And then the other thing too is I loved his videos when he would sit down and
break down curated pieces that were kind of unique and special that people didn't
really understand, but he's like, this is why you should pay attention.
And that was kind of the content that I like to consume because I've talked

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about it. Like that's the kind of collecting mindsets that we share.
Well, how many pseudo hidden gem episodes have we done? Not exactly,
not straight off the cuff, but in some realm. Yeah. You know?
Yeah. I mean, those are my favorite. The hidden gem episodes were so good.
It was, and, and he was right on every single one of them. All of his takes.

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I never saw a take from him that was not spot on, but I think that's what people like.
It wasn't like pitchy, you know, just like, Hey, It didn't need to be pitchy.
It's like, look, we have this, but this is why it's really freaking cool.
And if you want to buy it, great. Call us.
But you could see that when these products were being talked about,

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it was coming from a point of passion and a point of knowledge.
Like somebody who's passionate about watches, passionate about the industry,
passionate about all brands that they're representing, presenting,
they wanted to share that love and passion with everyone else and get them excited
about it. That's why it was authentic.
It wasn't a sales pitch. It was just somebody telling you, no different than

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sitting across a table at a meetup, why this watch is freaking cool and why you should care.
And that is authenticity that we will be missing now. For a show.
And with that- Mark, when you're ready to come on the show, buddy, let us know, all right?
Hey, invite's out there. Invite's out there. It's always been out there.
It's always been out there. That's right. Drop us a DM. Drop us a DM.

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Yeah. So I guess we'll jump into the new stuff now. So I guess in honor of football,
we'll start with this one because I don't know if it's pronounced the same way or not.
I've heard it go back and forth between people who are of the...
European descent on this one but we've knew we knew
him as brett farve and he spelled his name f-a-v-r-e brett

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farve and it always puzzled me as a kid because it
seemed like fabra and that's how the people that i
know who are from whether it be france or
whatever have said fabra but we know him as
brett farve but fabra luba is a
brand that's an interesting segue i see what you did
did here yes far from luba is

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a uh a brand that's been around apparently since 1737 now
i'm gonna i'm gonna take a moment here and i don't know
where watch brands get off putting these dates on stuff i feel like it's like
how rappers will claim they're from a certain area or that they've done x y
and z and like no there's no credibility behind it all and then they get outed
and they're like oh wait a minute but i feel like it's the same thing there's

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like all these brands are like Like, oh, yeah, we've been around since 1211.
And you're like, are you sure about that? Anyway.
They're claiming 1737. They're reissuing a watch that's been around since 1964.
It's called the Deep Blue. It's a diver, if you couldn't have guessed.
It is going to make some people absolutely bonkers with the state placement.

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I mean, it's a 430 date. I knew it was coming, though. I don't even know how you describe this.
It's a diagonal 430 date. Yeah. In a circle.
But I think it's not the original one was. I mean, it probably is.
Let's go back to... They have a historical picture on their website.
Somebody's going to have an aneurysm looking at this thing.

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Even though it's a decent looking watch, they're going to be like...
So just so you know, the original one from 1964 had a 430 date with the number diagonal.
So it is on brand and true. Maybe that's why we haven't heard about it since.
Oh man that's rough oh no i kid but so uh they but they've tried to bring this one back before,

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yeah that's what it looks like because there is a renaissance and now a revival,
well so so yeah so the way that this this company happened and they they indicate
this on their timeline on their website so this is not anything that i'm making
up or anything like that but But basically, the company,
they say 1737 or whatever it is, and obviously, it was not in a continuous operation

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for that time period, but eventually-
Getting into the quartz crisis, they even indicate on the website they really
got beat up in the quartz crisis, and eventually they had to sell the company.
So in 1985 is kind of the last official time the original family owns the company.
It changed hands a bunch of times in terms of ownership, and it becomes a zombie

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brand officially in 2016.
Right. Now, they released a diving watch called the Raider Harpoon.
It was a very funky kind of rotating disc and singular minute hand time indication,
but it was marketed as like a diving watch and all these things.
Very odd, very big. Like we're talking, you know, over 45 millimeters.

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It had like a 53 lug to lug. Like it was a chunky, thick boy.
But a lot of the Favre-Lubre cases from back in the 60s and 70s were very bulky, beefy kind of cases.
So it was kind of making sense for the history 2017 and 2018 they released another
kind of trio of watches different complications there was even one in there

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that did a mechanical depth gauge for diving that's cool and it was i think
it was called the depth the depthomatic or
depthmatic something like that but it also had like a mechanical brain in the
movement that like once you hit the deepest part of your dive it would also manually record that.
So like, let's say you hit 50 meters and throughout your entire dive up until

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that point, that was the deepest you had gone.
There would be a hand that would actually indicate 50 and keep it there.
So even if you ascended a little bit to 35 meters, you knew based on your dive
profile that the watch indicated that you had hit 50 meters at some point. Wow.
So, I mean, that, you know, in terms of the complexity for making watches,
like that's kind of up there.

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But they were basically dormant between 2018 to like 2020 is kind of like the
last time I heard any articles and things about them. And then boom, 24.
So on their website, in terms of timeline, it goes from 2018 and jumps to 24.
And then here is where we have the revival.

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So as you pointed out, we had the deep blue. But if you didn't catch it,
too, there's also a chrono diver collection. Yes.
So that also is being debuted. And these were all basically launched at Geneva Watch Days.
That is known as the Sea Sky for those who are keeping track.
Dude, I'm not going to lie.
I like this watch a lot. Which one? I think it looks really good.

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Sea Sky or the Revival? Both of them. Both of them.
So within the Deep Blue Collection, if you're navigating the website,
there's two different versions. There is the Deep Blue Revival,
which is basically a recreation of the original Deep Blue from 1964.
It's going to have aluminum bezel. It's going to be 39 millimeter case,

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which was the original size.
It's going to have the funky 430 date. It's going to be as close to an original
1964 Deep Blue as possible.
Then they have the Deep Blue Renaissance versions. versions
it's slightly larger at 40 mil and they're
going to be more modern of a vintage exactly more of a modern interpretation

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on the vintage style they're going to use ceramic bezels things like that so
as far as i understand what what they're communicating in language here is all
the favre luba pieces that are revivals or essentially recreations of the original,
renaissance versions will be more of a spiritual revival
of it but using modern technologies and

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modern materials is kind of the way i understand their their marketing
to be and i think it's a good one i think
revival is good i think renaissance is good but these
sky chiefs man like i'm kind of always been a fan and enamored with like 1970s
like chrono divers and this is kind of this is kind of hidden that was an interesting
period you know it does remind me of that same generation is like the nevada

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yeah chrono divers right the aviator sea diver Yeah.
Because you have to remember why. Do you know why chrono divers exist?
No, I have no idea. Okay. So you have to remember... Is it for people who go
out of planes and into the water?
No, no, no. That would make sense. That would make sense. I know. That's why I was...
But, I mean, you know, the whole idea behind a chronograph with a...

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I should say a diving watch with a chronograph is because...
When you think about this, you know, skin diving or what would eventually become
scuba diving later on, going from the late 50s into the 60s,
you know, it started out with very primitive means.
You had a depth gauge, manual depth gauge you wear on your wrist,
and you had a manual watch that you would track your dive time with.

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Using you know math and
calculations you would create a dive plan based on
okay if i'm going to go this amount of depth for this amount
of time i can be underwater x amount of time and
i need to resurface at this point right like you had to make
all these calculations to dive so if you did it wrong you could
die very easily okay there was

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no dive computers the first dive computers didn't come
out until the very very very early 19 early
to mid 1980s and they were extremely primitive
gigantic brick things that you could imagine right nowadays every diver wears
a dive computer because it's the most conservative and safe way to dive myself
included but i will still always have a manual watch to wear as well but dive

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chronographs came out in the late 60s going
into the 70s because it was a way to increase the types of time measurements
you could make while doing a dive.
So it allowed you to time multiple things at one time.
So the biggest fundamental flaw with a diving bezel on a watch is that's only

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one singular time reference.
So if you set your dive, let's say you want to go do a total dive for an hour, right?
You're going to start to descend beyond the surface.
You're going to set your bezel based on your minute hand, and you're going to leave it there.
Well, that's basically tracking your total dive time.
If there's any point in time throughout your dive profile that you want to change

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or you want to go explore something that you didn't account for,
war you can't really reset your vessel because
then you lose your starting point as to when you started your
dive right right so diver chronographs came
in into effect and into popularity because it allowed
divers to track multiple time references simultaneously so what you could do

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is you could descend start your chrono let that run in the background and track
your total dive time and then during your diving profile if let's say you want
to explore a coral reef or something for 10 minutes,
you can rotate your bezel to now track that.
But your dive time is still being recorded by the chronograph, right?

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The same way that if you wanted to do a safety stop on your way up.
You know, obviously you're still underwater, your dive time is still running
on the chronograph, but you can use your bezel to calculate your 15,
10 minute, whatever safety stops you need to do to return to the surface correctly.
So it was kind of the bridge gap between very primitive dive watches,
which only had a singular function with the bezel, to what would become more

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advanced dive computers going into the 80s and most realistically in the 90s
and to what we have today.
So this is why divers chronographs came out in the late 60s,
early 70s, because it was a transitional technology that made diving slightly safer.
It's pretty cool. I mean, you
know, everything's sort of... Most things in watches are form of function.

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Yeah. But you never really know why, you know, or where it came from.
And most people will never even give it another thought. Like,
this is kind of stupid. Why do I need a chronograph diver?
Like, I already have a dive bezel. Shouldn't I not be pushing these anywhere near water?
Exactly, exactly. So it's kind of funny, but that's kind of the reason why this technology exists.

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So if you didn't know that, drop us a line. let us know
now you know now you know it's uh yeah the
revival piece comes in somewhere around 2600 bucks the
sea sky is somewhere around 46 i believe
because they're on france i'm kind of just guesstimating but yeah
they're they're pretty neat they're cool and you said you think these are based
off of eterna movements i think so it's kind

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of i think i read that somewhere i don't don't hold me to that they
specify what caliber it is on their website but obviously
it's not an in-house manufacturer caliber so i don't know who's building
it for them right but they don't look like based on the photos of the movement
they don't look like your typical salita or or at a fair like it's not your

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normal looking piece the movement looks a little bit nicer decorated it looks
a little bit better finished than just your standard stuff but i could be completely wrong,
all right tso is putting
out two new versions ish of the prx that many people love so much so we're getting

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a couple of gradient dial parametric 80 the 40 millimeter version pretty cool
one's sort of like a light blue to a dark bluish and one's like a dark with purple.
They're pretty neat looking very wrist cheesy that one yeah that one's very nice but i think
they're real cool looking pretty sweet but i don't know
why they put them out at the same time as the next one because that steals

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the show for me these are cool these are
cool but the next one they put out is
a forged carbon yeah prx
paramatic 80 and this is just boss
every every comment i've seen on on these articles and
stuff has been like dude yes it's it's
awesome i'm i mean i'm not going to undersell it like this

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watch is amazing and and for under a
thousand dollars for 995 for a forged carbon watch
i mean yeah i mean again like not
to not to undersell but like 995 like five dollars under
a thousand dollars but the fact
that we could do a forged carbon or i
should say we could do we could get a forged carbon watch of this design and

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it's funky it's cool it's kind of of murdered out in the black on black color
scheme you know you're getting an awesome watch paramatic 80 everyone knows
his caliber this has been powering the PRX is basically since the beginning,
this is sick I mean on rubber like even more sick you know what I mean like rated.

(31:12):
Dude, it's hella nice. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. It's hella nice.
I kind of want one. Yeah, but I think they should have dropped these things
separate. I think they could have done a few more sales on the gradient.
But now, if you're going to have to choose, I think everybody's taking the carbon,
you know? I mean, yeah, yeah.
And Tissot, maybe Tissot's going to start playing around with more carbon.

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We had the Citadel from last year.
They came out in the forged carbon. It kind of got a sport watch,
right? That was a neat watch.
It was a funky watch. It was like a 70s design in forged carbon.
But this is, I think, a design that resonates with everyone.
If you're going to go for a murdered out black watch, why not this one? You know what I mean?

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It's a PRX. It's got a thousand strap options that you can buy aftermarket or from Tissot now as well.
D-LUG's really cornered the market on this, to be honest with you, for the PRXs.
But but like this is this is a good
looking watch it's going to be lighter than air amazing caliber
inside and price point

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is nuts so like it was selling you off air
like this makes a doxa carbon watch like seem
unreasonably expensive yeah even
though you're like that's pretty reasonable it's like i mean
like a three grand for a forged carbon watch is like not a lot
of money like you know what i mean like it's not it's not
that crazy this is even better than

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that so it's uh it's it's
it's nuts i love it i want one maybe santa
will bring me one yes yes from there
i'll go to another watch that santa is not going to bring me that's also crazily
priced and equally gorgeous in a
complete opposite direction yes yes so fred constant

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or some might know them as frederick constant i put
out a malachite dial classic moon
phase date limited edition it is
a absolute beauty of a
watch it's it's it's 30 000 euros yeah so i did i did the u.s conversion it's

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about 33 000 if they if they truly honor the uh the the price conversions because
sometimes brands will kind of like
under yeah i've noticed that that's why sometimes Oh, it's 29,000 euros.
We'll do it like 30,000. Like, okay.
Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah. So if they keep it to exact prices based on conversion,

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it's just over $33,000 US.
But man, this watch. Yeah, you know, like, am I trying to buy that?
No, but like this watch is really good looking.
I mean, and think of it this way. It's an LE.
It's an LE. Of like 36. 36 pieces ever made solid white gold with a malachite

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dial in-house manufacturer moonface like,
to know that I could have a watch with only other 36 other people in the world, like, why not?
And realistically, at $30,000, is it a little high for a Frederic Constant? Yeah.

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I mean, technically, that's what a Moonshine Gold Speedmaster costs on strap, about $30,000.
But man, this watch is beautiful. I mean, you get a look at that Malachite dial,
and you're like, god damn.
It's sick. right and the contrast with the moon phase the the
red numbering on the 31 just sticks
out like the white looks great against it everything about this watch is dope

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the the crown is amazing the case is beautiful like and i and i love i really
love the frederick constant movements like i just love the way that they look
because they're just so simple but so just well executed in their
simplicity and again i know that they're only making so many and things like that whatever,

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but it's just good and it's a three-day power reserve 72
hours it's pretty sick it's it's
beautiful but like i told you earlier also off air
i don't know if you caught that that fifteen thousand dollar tourbillon i
think i got on the frederick constat website too i was
like man well if i can't swing 30 maybe i'll

(35:30):
just have to split it go 15 get a tour i can't remember were they the ones who
did like the ten thousand dollar perpetual calendar or was that like bomb and
mercia or somebody oh no maybe it was bomb i can't remember but yeah i think
it was bomb actually but i mean to do a fifteen thousand dollar tourbillon though.

(35:53):
And it's not an ugly watch that's the
other thing too that tourbillon is pretty sick so
i'm just like maybe another life bro we just we'll just get more money and we'll
just start buying for some fred constance fred constance i would like i was
telling you i was like we should just we should just get them as a sponsor brought

(36:13):
to you by fred constance fred from the block,
but yeah i mean we've talked
about them so many times and we're probably the only podcast that ever talks about
frederick constant remember when they came out with that like that
like fully silicon escapement it's like
the most bananas technology ever and they're like yeah we made it and then everyone's

(36:35):
like how nobody bats an eye nobody nobody cares i'm like this is ridiculous
these guys are nuts dude like they're like vibrates i'm like i i don't even
even understand it. But hey, you know what, Frederic Constant, right?
They just keep doing what they're going to do. So there you go.
They live up to the name. They are constant and consistent.

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All right. Seiko brought back the Marine Master 300. Yeah.
You got a black one. You got a white one. As expected, they're pretty robust and chonky.
Yeah, but they're not that bad. The size specs are not that bad.
Not as hefty as the older model. Remember, the other ones were big.
They were big boys. They were big, yeah.
These ones are like 43 by about 13 and a half. Not horrible.

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They have these 8L movements in them now, 50-hour power reserve.
And not, for the Marine Master line, not insanely priced. I mean,
these are $2,900. I know the other Marine Masters were in that range.
But, you know, they're neat. They're not bad looking. You know,
430 dates are apparently back because everybody's doing them now again.

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Even after all the crap. This is invertedly diagonal the opposite.
Right, so again, more aneurysms occurring as this is airing.
But yeah, you know, not a bad looking watch, but perhaps not one that I'm going to go running after.
But I think it's cool. I think the bracelet looks good.
You know, they're not bad. Black, white, nothing insane. I mean,

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I think it's, it's, it's, it's nothing crazy.
It's nothing, you know, it's pretty run of the mill for, for what they're doing.
I think it's a nice revival to bring it back. Yeah. Everyone loves a Marine master name.
That certainly carries a lot of weight in, in Sago communities for sure.
I mean, to not have one for a while was kind of a weird, but I just hate that

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they didn't bring back the, the, the, the traffic light secondhand.
Yes. I was so happy when they put that on the Willard revivals. Yeah.
They've been doing it on certain ones. That was on the watches originally, right? Am I mistaken?
Even the 200s, they put it on. Yeah.

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Oh, why not this one? Yeah, I don't get it. It's so much more of a simplified
thing, and it was honestly,
right before I said that statement, I just noticed it, and now I can't unsee
it, because Because, I mean, that was one of the things that all of the Marine
Masters that I remember used to have.
Like, that was the signifier, was the traffic light secondhand.

(39:05):
And now, I'm like, well, it just seems too, maybe too pedestrian.
You know, I was about to say, it does bring a surprising amount of personality
for such a little thing to an otherwise pretty bland watch.
Watch but i mean that you know if you're thinking about this
is kind of like a case study on seiko one of
the things that they've done so well over the years is make

(39:28):
very esoteric shapes very innocuous
designs yeah really special and
and they are signifiers for you know designs right like it become the the watch
itself becomes associated with that respective design and it's hard it's kind

(39:48):
of hard to to miss to overlook that you know to make that mess i think,
but that's just me no i agree i know i do i do all right on to what i was alluding
to before breitling is putting out a chronomat nfl team edition collection you know i i think.

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You know sometimes you have to be careful what you ask for schmitty because
we have been saying for a hot minute. What is Breitling up to?
Haven't heard much from him recently. I wonder what they got up their sleeve. And this is what it was.
I had a guy. You can now get a team color edition with a logo in one of the

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sub-dials of your chronomat.
If you are a fan of the National Football League, which is a sport that is only
played in the United States except for the few games in Brazil, Mexico, or the UK.
Hey, they're expanding, okay? They're going more and more places these days.
I mean, thankfully, each one of these models is only going to be 106 pieces,

(40:53):
which again is also, or it's 104 pieces, I'm sorry, which is also just like a weird number.
Apparently it's the 104th anniversary of the
nfl but what a weird year to pick yeah like
why not wait till next year and do 105 like i
don't or or do this four years ago and do a hundred year like it it just seems

(41:13):
very odd they just thought it up and they're like let's get it out we'll get
it yeah that's that's honestly 100 what i think happened they had some nfl players
that they They have his ambassadors and some connections.
And they're like, guys, we're doing an NFL watch. And they teased us when they
did the Super Bowl watch last year.
Yeah, you're right about that. Or I guess at the beginning of this year, right?

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So they teased us with the Super Bowl watch, which I thought was also kind of
like a weird, like we're doing a solid gold Chronomat Super Bowl edition. I'm like, this is weird.
And here I am talking about it
eight months later with team-themed edition watches for every single team.

(41:58):
Look, man, as much as I enjoy the Miami Dolphins colorway, I do not want a Chronomat
with the Miami Dolphins. You want the Dan Marino Chrono?
The Laces Out Special? Laces Out Special? Laces Out Special?
Laces out, Dan. Laces out, Dan. These are $8,800 for rubber.

(42:19):
92 on bracelet. 92 on Rulo bracelet. And here's the thing. Some of the watches only come on bracelet.
Some of them only come on Rulo. They don't come on the other. I'm sorry, on rubber.
But I guess they call it now the Rulo rubber, if you did not know that.
Oh, that's cute. Yeah. It's a Rulo-themed rubber.
But, yeah, so some of them only come on bracelet, and

(42:41):
the others only come on the rulo rubber so
obviously you can probably mix and
match if you wanted to but you will be buying a new bracelet or
a new rubber strap because like i was looking at
the cowboys one which you know unfortunately is
my team i like the design but i'm
like oh it's only on the rubber strap but i'm like i'm kind of okay with

(43:02):
that because it looks cool it looks cooler that way but
they did a black rubber strap like how do you do like why not
navy maybe like who who thought
this through nobody they're like all
right guys we're just gonna do some hands change and we're doing a dial change
and we're just gonna keep it moving like and
then i was like isn't aren't the cowboys affiliated with

(43:23):
ublo it's like this seems like a conflict of
interest yeah things get a little dicey in there don't they with
ambassadors is this is handled directly with the
nfl or is this like does the nfl have the ability to license out logos for other
teams i i don't know i don't know how this works and that was the other thing
is like did all of the teams approve this do they get it do they get a say is

(43:47):
probably were they told that this is happening or what.
I'm just like ah i mean i get it but i really don't get it,
like i like the chrono matt it's just i don't know what are they doing what
are they doing That's more of what it is. You don't have anything better to do over there.

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Is NFL football secretly George Kern's unspoken passion?
I don't understand. Him and Roger Goodell are old school bros.
And then the other thing, too, for me that is kind of annoying is I hate that
they're just like, all right, we're just going to slap the logo on the sub-dial.

(44:34):
Why couldn't you have done the team colors and then put the logo of the team on the back.
Yeah, just subtle instead of the NFL shield, you know?
So you don't have to feel weird wearing it during the offseason.
Thank you. Thank you. Don't get me wrong.
I'll still wear a Giants t-shirt in the offseason, but you're not going to see

(44:57):
me wearing my jersey out on the street in the offseason. That feels a little weird.
You sure you're not? It's just odd.
Yeah bro I'm I'm,
How far the mighty have fallen. It's just, what a strange marriage, I guess.
And they're just all over the map. They've got some good ambassadors,

(45:18):
and then they've got some random ambassadors.
But the other reality that I keep thinking about this from a business perspective,
how many NFL football fans are going to go out and spend close to $9,000 on
a team-themed Breitling watch?
You got me. I mean...

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I mean, let's look at the average, you know, educational prowess of the normal Bills fan.
Okay? Do you think they're over here? They're spending their money on tables.
I was going to say, you're talking about people who throw each other through
tables. They got to save up money for a lover. They're spending their money
on plastic tables you buy at Costco.
And these dudes are not going to run out and buy a $9,000 Chronomat with the Buffalo Bills.

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I mean, maybe they will. Maybe I'm just completely off base here.
But I don't think that I am.
It doesn't make sense to me. These are two things that really don't compute.
And again, the way that they did the color flips and just the logos,
I know this was a big project because you're doing a watch specifically for each team.

(46:26):
But I mean, it just seems like a very uninspired collaboration because you're
just doing like, all right, here's the primary color for the team.
And we'll do that for the dial.
This is the auxiliary color for the team. We'll do that for the chronograph
hands and the chrono second hand.
The nine o'clock sub dial slap on the logo like next like it just seems so contrived,

(46:47):
and just very generic it's weird
it's weird and especially because i feel like you could have rolled this out
if i'm not mistaken i don't know if he still is but i think trevor lawrence
was on their list he's the qb for the jaguars okay i think he was an ambassador
there i don't know if he still is but like you could have at least rolled it
out with the jaguars colors which which are kind of,

(47:07):
it's like a sort of a teal with like a gold and black.
Like you could have made an interesting chrono map out of it and sort of just
rolled that out without all the gaudy logos and stuff and be like,
oh, this is the Trevor Lawrence edition or whatever.
Like it's got the Jaguars colors, we get it, okay.
And then you could have been like, oh, we're going to do this for teams now
too. But like, again, you didn't have to do all the gaudy stuff on the front.

(47:30):
You could put it on the back, put it.
And then what happens when one of these teams changes cities?
Or forget cities they change their uniforms every like three years
the eagles change their shade of green like every year and a half and it's it's
like gonna be outdated quickly you know what i mean yeah like if this was out
in the late 90s you would have had you know or you would have had the the houston

(47:53):
oilers yeah yeah become the tennessee titans yeah you know.
So, I don't know. I mean, that's what I'm thinking because I've heard those
rumors about the Chiefs getting kicked out of their own city.
Have you heard about this? No, but, I mean, for them to leave KC with the high
they're on would be insane.
But it's because they want to build them a new stadium, but they're forcing

(48:18):
all the costs of the stadium construction on the taxpayers.
And the taxpayers are like, we don't want a new stadium if it's going to cost
us X amount of money in taxes.
And the team is like well if you
don't pay it we're out like so it's it's
like that that's a very real possibility apparently so
yeah that could get interesting sometimes they move to like a nearby city and

(48:41):
they'll still be kansas city quote unquote you know but but but they were talking
about like cities like in texas or like other places that would be the biggest
l of all time with the run that they're on with the current personnel that they
have i mean i i completely
agree that would be abysmal to to lose a
team on top i mean it

(49:03):
almost as abysmal as the design of these watches very close it would be neck
and neck for sure yeah i mean oh geez what are you gonna do but but the uh the
the fervor that these watches inspire sort of got me to where I was going for,
for the episode theme that I wanted to do today.

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And it had to do with watches that it reminded me of a lot of things that people
would nitpick about watches, certain tropes, certain brands,
certain models, lines, whatever you call them, attributes that people absolutely hate.
And we harp on them, you know, your four 30 dates and stuff like that.
Some people hate, you know, they think two tone is gaudy or whatever.

(49:47):
So So there's a million different things we've talked about on the show and
that you'll see. You go on the forums, you go on Houdinki comment section,
wherever, you know, social media.
Houdinki is the worst. You know, I like to read them because you get a good
mix of people who are just completely taking the piss and then other people
who are agreeing with them, even though they're making like a troll comment

(50:09):
that's like supposed to be tongue in cheek.
And the people are like, oh, yeah, this is such a value at 60,000.
And they're like, no, no, I wasn't serious. They're like, wait a minute. What?
Like it just goes back and forth and people like you didn't get it. It's pretty fun.
Regardless i wanted to pick some watches
that i i enjoy that people

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hate or that i think people would hate okay because
every once in a while i find myself you know you go down the rabbit hole especially late
at night right you sit on the couch kids are asleep you're like
you know you you got the sunday scaries or whatever
and you're just like i'm just gonna cruising through the watches see what
see what what's out there what what have i missed what
am i missing in my life right and you're yeah you're kind

(50:51):
of going through and you're like man you know man this brand i don't
really like this brand this brand kind of sucks you know everybody kind of hates on it
oh wait a minute that's kind of nice wait a minute and you're like could i be
this guy could i could i possibly purchase this watch and defy defy the odds
defy my own misgivings i don't know like what what could i be this person and

(51:12):
i've kind of wrestled with that from time to time where i'm
like maybe i could buy from this brand maybe i don't care what people would say about me.
Maybe i am this guy maybe i am this guy maybe i could bring it to to the to the light side.
Yeah so what do you got what's your what's your first pick anyways well i'm
gonna throw mine out there for this one out there first because i don't want

(51:34):
you to take it because i know i know where you're headed already mister um don't
yeah i have an inkling my friend so i'm gonna start off with an Omega Speedmaster,
people are going to say, what do you mean?
Nobody hates the Speedmaster. It's an iconic watch. Are you serious?
It's an iconic watch, but... No, you did not.
This is a 39 millimeter Speedmaster, right? It's not the moon watch, right? It's not...

(52:00):
All the provenance and all that other stuff. So this is, now you can go a couple ways with this one.
I personally like this one the best, even though it's, you know, like $12,000.
It's the 18K version of this 39 millimeter Speedmaster, automatic.
So it's the 3611.10.89. And it's got a champagne dial.

(52:25):
It's all gold. They also make a two-tone version of this.
That is the 3311.10 i've always
liked this watch i mean it's it's for a chronograph for those
who don't know it's sort of the vertical alignment not the horizontal of the
sub dials so you're getting a 1296 sub dial alignment but to me this is just

(52:46):
a cool watch and obviously at 39 it fits a little better for most folks that
are kind of in between or smaller wrists you know i know it's I know it's an automatic,
which is, for some people, sacrilege on the Speedmaster spectrum. Yeah, get over it.
But for a yellow gold Speedmaster at 12 grand, it's really not horrible.
And even more reasonable, if you're looking at the two-tone,

(53:08):
it's somewhere in the twos.
Yeah. You know, the newer two-tone Speedmasters are, what, 12? Something like that?
Somewhere in there? No, the new current Moonwatch two-tone is 18.1.
18. Okay. I knew it was in the teens there somewhere.
So to get something two-tone from this brand in this vein, I think is not that

(53:28):
bad in the $2,000 range. Granted, these are used, and they're kind of old.
But still, I think they're pretty pimp. And the gold one to me is awesome, to be honest.
But I find people have, you know, it's not the Moonwatch.
It's sacrilegious because it's not manual wine.
Yeah. Right? But it's got all

(53:49):
the things that I guess are sort of charming and old school about the –,
The renditions everybody loves. And even this one is Sapphire.
Everybody loves the Hezzy's, right?
Don't get me wrong. We love a good Hezzy boy. It's been a while, Hezzy boys.
But people are like, that's not a man's moon watch.

(54:10):
It's like a redheaded stepchild. But I've always liked these ones. I like the triple dates.
I like these ones. There's a lot of offshoot Speedmasters.
And even if you don't like that, you're not such a gold person.
They have the the schumacher edition yep which is pretty pimp
yeah you know i've always liked that one a lot so i
i think there's i think there's some kind of under the

(54:32):
radar value in these that maybe they don't get the credit they deserve but i
wanted to get this one out of the box first just in case you had this one so
you could put that one on the back burner and maybe pivot off that i would be
surprised if you didn't because you know that's just how this goes because we
don't uh we don't share beforehand because we like that element of surprise
and everything but But yeah, I will.
I will say I will say this would have never been on my radar,

(54:55):
but I'm happy it's on yours because this, you know, this is leads me to segue into something else.
And not only just to pick one of the picks that I have, but just in general,
I think that right now and this is my call.
This is my crystal ball moment. I think the late 80s to early 90s omegas are

(55:19):
going to be the next big thing.
All right i i there's so much
nuance there's so many funky pieces there's
so many different weird designs especially stuff that
came out of the asian market which a lot of these 39 speedmasters came
from yeah they were all from jdm asian market and there's so many good stuff

(55:41):
in the catalog that omega produced between the late 80s and early 90s that is
so slept on nobody knows it's out there and the prices for them are absolutely insane.
There's a watch that I'll talk with you about off-air because I don't want to
put it on the podcast. I don't want anybody to find it because the price is

(56:02):
too good and the watch is too nuts.
And what's inside of it is even more insane. And it's just so good.
I need to have this watch. And I think you should probably get one too just to say you had it.
It but it's just there's so many good things
from mark 40s to schumachers to

(56:23):
legend speedies you know triple calendars you know all of these things that
they did there's a lot in there and there's a lot to unpack and there's so much
variance and like you said i mean you're finding some of these models at you
know 1500 bucks two thousand dollars you can't even buy an oris for two thousand dollars these days.
And you can buy an Omega secondhand and then spend maybe a grand servicing it.

(56:48):
And you get a $3,000 watch that's going to cost more than that years down the road.
That to me is very cool. And I think that there's a lot of cool stuff to discover.
A buddy of mine that we were talking about these Speedmasters with yesterday,
he sent me a picture of a JDM
only Salmon Dial 39 mil speedmaster

(57:09):
apparently omega made a salmon dial speedmaster in 39 millimeters for the japanese
market i didn't even know this watch existed and he's like i kind of want it
i was like yeah you should just buy it now because if anybody else finds out
about this it's it's it's gone like and sorry buddy i may have i may have blown
uh blown your secret over here but.
You know it's like things like this are are very

(57:32):
cool and and they're totally underappreciated underrated and
you're right a lot of people don't like them because they
think that they're kitschy they think that they're weird and they
should really reevaluate what they're doing because there's
a lot of of variants here that's awesome
but hey as with everything more for more for us more for us baby it's for us

(57:54):
well i mean since you started off with the speed master i guess I absolutely love this watch.
The nerds love it, but the non-nerds are like, what the heck? Like, I don't want this.
This is not, you know, this isn't Tom Hanks.

(58:18):
Yeah, but even the nerds of the nerds of people that I've met,
when you talk about an X-33, like, why the hell would I ever buy this watch?
Like, you can't set it. It's impossible. And that's really the biggest reservation
about this piece is that it's very difficult to set.
And for both generations, the current X33 you'll find in the boutiques today,

(58:39):
or even like Gen 1, Gen 2, kind of the military X33s that came out in the late
90s going into the 2000s, both of them are very easy to manipulate once you
know how to do the functions.
But I mean, you're talking thermal compensated quartz movement.
It's accurate to like plus or minus 0.77 seconds a month or something like that.

(59:00):
Like this is stupid accuracy. accuracy it's thermal
compensated so it's completely ineffective by temperature
fluctuations between extreme hot extreme cold full titanium
case lcd screen still loomed hands
and markers you can do chronograph stopwatch alarm
functions countdown timers mission elapsed time you

(59:20):
know phase elapsed time if you're actually doing pilot or or
or you know astronaut things if you
need to i mean this is literally the coolest
freaking watch on planet earth but the biggest
reservation is it's hard to
set from the outside perspective once you
figure it out it's quite easy and i would honestly argue it's

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way more user-friendly than an aerospace by far
by not for nothing have you ever
seen a normie try to set a g-shock i mean
yeah right i mean
i mean like even even me man like sometimes when i when
i had to go to my watch box and grab a g-shock because i'm
gonna go do something active i'm going to a place where you know what if

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someone wants to steal my watch will they take my 80 g-shock like not a big
deal sometimes i gotta go i go to my box i pick them up i'm like crap i'm an
hour behind or an hour ahead and like i'm gonna spend a good five minutes remembering
okay which movement is this one which is it is it mode first or like which you know like Like,
which button do I press and hold to initiate the functions? You know what I mean?

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So even for me, as a seasoned collector, somebody who's had multiple of these
pieces, like, that is a difficult watch to set sometimes.
But the X33, you know, I love playing with it every time I get an opportunity to see one.
I have a couple of collector buddies that own them. And they're just awesome.

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It's totally an underrated watch. watch and you
know they go for about three so grand for
the first gen second gens and like about four grand or so for the for the current
gen of what you'll find and any of those will be amazing for you to own they're
fantastic pieces now you can get a mars watch and now you can get the mars one

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although i will say this objectively the mars one is kind of pointless,
let me realistically listen that's what makes this hobby fun pointless is like
the name of the game I mean, it's true.
But it's funny because I was looking up some of the instructions on how to set the Mars timer.
And the funny thing about the Mars timer is you can only set the time on Mars

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relative to a specific GPS coordinate.
Because I guess the way that Martian time is calculated, there's no time zones.
It's based on GPS positioning.
So, like, unless you want to know, you know, Martian time, you have to know
a specific GPS coordinate system, which you have to input into the watch.

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So you can, like, if you want to know Martian time relative to Earth,
you could for, like, one singular rock formation on Mars at only that time interval.
You know what I mean? So I was like, well, this is actually quite pointless.
But the reason why it was developed that way is because ESA,
which is a European space agency, uses it to track Martian Perseverance and

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Opportunity Rovers when they were on the surface.
Right. And they would track their time based on their GPS coordinates for the rover.
Which makes sense. But I'm like, I'm not an ESA scientist slash astronaut tracking rover positions.
You know what I mean? So it's like it's kind of stupid for me, you know?
But it's fun. It's whatever. And you're right. This hobby, it doesn't really

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need to make sense. It is what it is.
No, Pointless is 100% the name of the game. Yes. Yes. What's your second? Okay.
Well, you know what? I'm going to segue off your somewhat segue here because you did.
I'm going to go with one, and I'm not going to lie to you. I've almost bought
this watch like 10 times, and I always kind of just peel back.

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And I'm always like, it's tough because once you get up into certain price ranges,
there's There's a lot of options and things like that.
And that's sort of where I've always kind of bailed on it.
But I've always, always, always had a thing for the 34 millimeter Salmond Dial Air King.
Okay, that's a solid pick. Now, first of all, you know, it's got a bunch of

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things going against it. 34 millimeters, right?
Many dudes with small PBs who get very insecure about that type of thing. Yeah.
Salmon dial, again. Yeah. Small PBs, anything that resembles pink, I'm out.
I hate it. Even though this is somewhat of like more of a copper.
It's a copper for sure. You know what I mean? Yeah. But everybody knows it is
like the salmon. So it is what it is. You know, Air King.

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Although you know once kind of stood for something now
it's kind of just a tacky ass watch the the more recent iterations
yeah i thought these ones are pretty cool they have so you know sort of
like the explorer dial on them yeah it was always kind of neat
but you know i thought i always thought it was just a neat little package it
was sort of bare bones it was sort of reminiscent of that time that i like the
the rolex periods that i really really enjoy and that's why i was like man and

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these were always very reasonably priced these were always like 3000 ish yeah
you know so you You could always get them at a good price.
I mean, they went up for a while, and they've kind of gone up and down or whatever.
I mean, for me, dude, this is a home run hit, especially with the engine turn
bezel, which you know I love. Right.
You know I love that one. And I love the fact that this is a precision movement.

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It is. Do you know the difference?
I do not, but I know it says precision on the dial. Yeah.
So as far as I understand, and somebody can correct me if I'm way off base here,
but what I've always heard about the precision movements is they were not chronometer certified.
Because you'll notice the dial doesn't say superlative chronometer officially
certified. It just says precision.

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So these are basically fine-tuned movements, but they were never cost-tested.
So maybe that's how they were able to, the costs were able to be relatively
cheap is that, you know, one less thing on there that's, you know,
fancy schmancy, bells and whistles, et cetera, et cetera.
And now you get something in a little bit more of a reasonable package.
Correct. But I've always liked it. And like you said, you can get the smooth

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bezel, you can get the engine turn bezel, you know, pick your poison there.
But again, it's a good watch. It's a good looking watch. It's a lot like the
tournigraf you brought up not that long ago. Yeah.
With the engine turning of the bezel and everything. thing like it's just it's
a cool era of rolex that you know i wish we
could hearken back to at some point and it might come back like that
might come back it'll never come back

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in this way though i know it'll never come back
in this way it'll be a riff of something that's going to be exorbitantly expensive
in precious metal that's going to make us all wish we had that piece in steel
from 30 years prior that's the thing that pisses me off is this generation of
rolex like like the Air Kings that I've talked about with you or the, I'm sorry,

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Turnagraphs that I've talked about with you before on other episodes,
like that generation of Rolex,
that legacy, that history is long dead.
Unfortunately, you know? But this is the type of stuff, bro,
that like you just need to buy this watch because eventually people are going
to get turned back onto it and then it's going to be unobtainable again.

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You know what I mean? Like the same thing with like the, you know,
the Oyster Perpetual 39s that came out in grape and the navy blue with electric lime green.
Like those are those are watches that, you know, were very cool for a very short
period of time and then they were gone.
And I know the other sister watch to this one was the, what was it, the electric blue?

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There's like an electric blue Air King Precision, I think, too, in 34 millimeter.
Like that would be another one that would be like, this is a cool type of Mies.
It's got a pseudo explorer dial. It's not an explorer. It's not a chronometer.
It's 34 millimeter instead of 36.
But it is just weird enough that I would love to have it in my collection.

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Yeah. You know what I mean?
And it just makes me sad because this has been Rolex really did cool stuff and
they did it low-key cool.
They're like, yeah, we know we're not going to do a whole bunch of Salmon Dial
Air Kings because let's be honest, they're not going to sell that well,
but why not just do it for a little bit? And they did it and then they're like, it's gone.

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If you have the funds, bro, just go buy one. like but
this is what i'm always talking about when i'm always saying like
i wish people would bring the interesting stuff to
the meetups as opposed to like just what's in vogue now because like you could
roll up you're never gonna see this at a meetup that's the problem if you rolled
up to somebody with this like who just got into the hobby and is only familiar

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with contemporary stuff they're gonna be like what do you do like this isn't
this can't be real right right?
This is, this is, this is what, like a dial swap or like something cute. Yeah.
You know, that's what I like about it is so kind of out there.
It just, it, it makes you second guess everything that you thought you knew,
but, but that's the kind of stuff that, you know, for people like us that have

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been in the industry for long enough that we've been around so long,
we've forgotten so much, you know what I mean?
Like, and some of these young, these young Youngbloods that come in here,
they have no idea that this stuff even exists.
But that's also what I'm saying. This is the kind of stuff you've got to buy
now because if anything turns, all of a sudden, this is the stuff that people
start looking for five to ten years from now.

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It is. It is. I mean, again, we talked about it before. If you remember,
Paul Newman Daytonas were commercial failures.
It wasn't until collectors in the 90s started scooping up these watches and
were like, oh, these are kind of rare.
They only produce so many. nobody bought them because they weren't chronometers
you know these stories happened because they were the weird funky esoteric pieces

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and because they were weird and esoteric they sold less numbers of them,
which in turn made them more rare and then when people started to discover the
value behind them that's when they started exploding you know that's what it
is and that's kind of what leads me as a perfect segue into my watch wow look at this,

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we're just piggybacking right off of each other if you segway me to my latest
watch I will be astonished I don't think it's possible but we'll see so I didn't
want to jump into this one I was trying to save it for last but this is kind
of more of an appropriate segway.
This is a watch that I personally own. I get compliments on it everywhere I go.
Nobody I know owns one. Everyone likes the idea of them, but they will never

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go out and actively pursue buying one.
And it's the Omega Constellation Globemaster. The Invicta Joker.
Yes, the Invicta Joker. No, the Constellation Globemaster.
This was a watch that when it was announced at Baselworld in 2015,
I remember seeing the press release on it.
And i knew right away
i absolutely had to have it it was a

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watch that debuted omegas new at that time master
chronometer technology was the first watch to ever have the master
chronometer certification and i remember i got into a
an instagram beef with uh andrew mccutcheon from from time and tide oh the new
guy with the sign if you haven't yes yes this the guy with the sign yeah apparently
so i got a beef with him on instagram because he completely glossed over and

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all of his articles about the Master Chronometer certification.
I'm like, this is revolutionary. Like, nobody has it. But he's like,
yeah, but Rolex has Superlative Chronometer certification, which they coincidentally
also released that year in 2015. That's why this watch is so memorable to me.
I'm like, yeah, but this is anti-magnetic and that one is not.
And Rolex has been printing Superlative Chronometer on their dials for like 30 years.

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And now all of a sudden the certification means something? Like,
that's kind of weird marketing to me.
Anyway, it doesn't matter. long story short this is a
watch that really got a lot of um press time
at basel people were very excited about it but the product took
too long to bring to market and so a lot
of the initial fanfare and and hype really kind of
died out but i knew i wanted to get one and and ever since then even when i

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sold omega back then but even people that i work with today that that are still
you know ads for omega they're like we don't we don't sell a globe master but
maybe one or two a year yeah like it's such a slow mover for for omega but it's
such a phenomenal timepiece.
And i absolutely love this watch the pie
pan dial the sunray finishing i have the blue version my alternate

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between the the the bracelet and the blue alligator strap and every time i wear
this watch people will stop me and ask me what watch it what watch it is because
they've never seen it and i've walked into countless you know omega showrooms
because again i always try to stop in watch stores when i'm traveling things
like that when i stopped into people that carry Terry Omega,
who've never seen this watch in person.

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Like, how crazy is that? Like, an AD has never seen the watch that you're wearing,
and it is a current collection piece. Yeah, that's interesting. Isn't that nuts?
So, like, how many of these are really out there?
I cannot imagine that many. And this, I think, is one of those watches because,
for me, it's indicative of a technological change, not only for Omega,

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but for the entirety of the industry.
I mean, now Tudor's making Master Chronometer-certified movements.
There's rumors that I've heard that Breitling is developing a Master Chronometer Navitimer,
I don't know if that's true or not but I've heard that somewhere from relatively
credible sources so we'll see if that's the case but regardless if it is or
if it's not the fact is that this company did it in 2015 with this watch.

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And collectors today don't even know that that was
the case which blows my mind and it's
a cool watch it's a very very cool watch so go
get one if you you like it i love the watch no regrets
well you know how i feel about the the
time period that these came from originally like
you know the old globe masters and like you said high

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pants and stuff i'm a sucker for all that so that's things like that are always
up my alley you know i i absolutely adore the vintage ones and you know the
newer ones again i i think if you rolled up to a meet up with this and showed
it to people they would be like omega makes this like i know c Seamaster, I know Speedmaster.
It's antithetical, Omega. That's what I mean. It's completely antithetical to

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what people know about the brand. I mean, even if you know Railmaster and things
like that, you'd still be like, wait a minute.
I know Aqua Terra. This doesn't look anything like that. Yeah. You're right.
And that's always the response that I get from people.
Wait, when was this made? I'm like, it's still made now.
I've never seen this launch. And you haven't been paying attention because you've

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been consuming too much Diver 300 meter and too much Moonwatch.
Well, that's the problem. For a while, the industry was all Speedmaster versus
Daytona, 300 meter versus Sub.
And that's all you were fed. It was stuffed down your throat for probably like four years there.
You know what I mean? And you were just like, how much of this could I take?

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But yet, every time a new iteration came out or something was adjusted,
it was, well, let's revisit this.
And you're like, God damn it. Yeah, every time there was a lull in media,
they're like, let's go back to Omega versus Rolex.
Let's revisit and reassess Our same exact thing Where we always say oh well
you know what Omega really has some nice specs but Rolex And that was always

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every Friggin article they made was that You said it exactly right Omega's really
killing the game these days But Rolex is Rolex I'm like,
And you were just like, okay, like, all right. Circular arguments is fine.
You know, but it just, it left the door open for the next one.
That's what it was. So. Yeah.
What are you going to do? What are you going to do? It's okay though.

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I mean, it just means that more for us.
That's what I'm saying. Right. Like it's just, it's just more for us.
It just means that there's more pieces to, to collect and consume down the road
that maybe people will have to spend four times more money on 10 years from now, 15 years from now.
And that's what i'm hedging my bet on so we'll see well since you ended off

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a globe no i'm totally kidding i don't have a segue for this one at all not
not even in the slightest.
So this one is more of a i guess pick and brand name overall but one specific
model that has has caught my eye for for a hot minute now is it's a bell and
ross i've brought up bell and or else on the show before.

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Something about them sits with me. I think it's just that they make a unique
design. It's very, very, very much their own,
You know a Bell & Ross when you see one, and this is no different. So it's a diver.
It's the – let me get a – hold on.
It's one of the BRO3s, and it's a black ceramic insert, and it's got almost like a mint dial.

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Oh, isn't this the – yes.
It's a steel case, right? Yeah, it's a steel case. It's black,
though, and it's got a black ceramic insert.
It's it's pretty awesome i'm not gonna lie to you it's it's a full loom it's got like a 90 letter,
serial uh number here that's the bro3a dash

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d dash lm dash
ce slash srb and
i'm sure that has to do with ceramic full loom all that
stuff because it is a full loom watch which as you you know we
both like but the color is super awesome they have
a very nice execution of the 430 date which i really
like i like their you know their their big indices their

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big handsets you know their their wrist presence is pretty awesome it's a style
of watch although it's it's become sort of ubiquitous among watch heads you
don't see them very often at all i don't see them anymore to be honest with
you i really don't the loom if you see the loom it is bright blue,
but it's a darker shade.

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It's not that fluorescent blue.
The lume on the indices is fluorescent blue, but the lume on the dial is a darker
shade of blue, which also looks really freaking awesome.
And also the bezel has lume on it too, which is sweet. But it's just badass.
It looks great. The color contrast is amazing.

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And it's a neat architecture for me as far as watches go. yeah again is it is
a little gaudy yeah is it a little is a little aughts perhaps yes.
But I'm with it. I kind of like it. It kind of reminds me of an era when I got
into watches, and that's what I like about it. Yeah, yeah. I mean,
that was the same era for me.

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Like, I remember when I got into watches, everything was Bell & Ross and Panerai. Panerai, yeah.
Those were the watches. Like, everyone had those. It was those major watches,
Panerais, Bell & Rosses. Everything was military, big, aggressive divers,
like things like that, right? Right.
And this, you know, ever since Bell and Ross, because Bell and Ross has produced divers before. Yeah.

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But up until they went with the BRO case into a diver, I wasn't sold on the divers from them.
Like, they just didn't look good because it looked like it was like it was everything
else, but it was not Bell and Ross. Yeah.
Right. And once they started going into, like, the aviation cluster design,
I'm like, okay, they're on to something. that's truly special and different here.

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And then they came out with the diver version. I'm like, hold up, wait a minute.
You know, this is something cool. And I've been enamored with their divers ever
since. Like, I think it's a very cool watch.
I love the very masculine, you know, aggressive appeal of it.
You know, this design is fantastic. You're absolutely right about the 430 date.

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They do it right. It's subtle.
You know, date windows are color matched. everything is like that is is perfect
and honestly i prefer the older handset of the divers you like the old one i
do the new one has kind of the the broad arrow kind of the big triangle hand on it.
Now but i kind of like the more like rectilinear handset

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of the other one i just think it looks more symmetrical but either
way all of the bell and ross divers that are
out there now if someone just gave them to
me or was like hey man here's four grand go
buy a bell and ross diver i would do it i would do it in a heartbeat yeah
i would do in a heartbeat i just think they're cool and
you know honestly i

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cannot remember the last time i saw a bell and ross at a meetup that's what
i was thinking like because nobody talks about them anymore it's like they had
their moment and the only guys that are still buying Bell and Ross are like
pilots you know divers like actual military divers things like that,

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and even then it's less of those people right but,
like maybe this is the time to buy a Bell and Ross because nobody cares about
them anymore at this point well not for nothing right this is a $5400 watch
I don't know if anybody in history has ever paid retail for a Bell and Ross
but that's my point so there you go you know what's the chrono price for a Bell
and Ross let's start chipping away on this guy already you know like,

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That's, that's, you know, that's kind of the, the, the thing I'm thinking, right? Like, you know.
These are the kinds of things I kind of want to start buying now because maybe
if market turns, conditions change, this is the stuff that could be cool again.
I mean, look, dude, if you told anybody in 2018 that gold would come back.

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That square case, dress watches, Cartier, all that would be back,
they'd be like, listen, dude, it's steal sports or die.
And that's all it is. All right. And do the GMT Pepsi just came back.
Why don't you have a seat over there is what they would touch. Yeah.
The fact that dudes are over here rocking Cartier Benoist and shit.

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And we're talking like classically ladies watches, but dudes are wearing 20 millimeter Cartier.
I'm like, I grew up in the watch community that would bully you into the point
of non-existence anymore.
Like to wear something like that. What is this? the 1920s
i mean like like like the

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forums were real dark and ugly back then all right like let's let's
be honest like it was a bad place it really was if you showed up a person i
tell you that to a forum they would have destroyed you i told i told you though
that level of abuse was what bred brodenki i love it it was a direct result
of that type of stuff of witnessing that and I was like,

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somebody has to take these people down a peg. It might as well be.
It was ugly, man. It was the kind of stuff like, looking back on it now,
I can't believe I ever trolled it.
Just like, first time poster, constant lurker.
Back in the day, I'm like, oh, geez. Anybody know where I could get one of these?
And they're like, yeah, the dumpster.

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And you're like, god damn it! Yeah.
Just throw yourself in the dumpster too while you're at it. Just get out of
here. I'm like, oh, man, they used to just bully people. It was so bad.
But, you know, yeah, you're right, though.
Like, had you said to me in 2015, 2013.

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Imagine everybody's buying Panerai's Bell and Ross. Imagine.
The grown dudes are going to be rocking Cartier Panthers and stuff like that.
I would have thought you were nuts.
I would have thought you were absolutely insane.
And, yeah, here we are. All these years later. And those are what people are
rocking Which is Still not a watch to me But does that mean that this stuff

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Is due to come back soon? Maybe,
You know, that's my thing. Look, I don't think NFL Chronomat's ever going back in style. No.
Was it ever in style? Also, no. But this, maybe.
Right? I've seen people kind of, they'll look at Panera once in a while and
be like, you know, they might have been on to something.

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Right? Recently on our group chat. Right? Hey, you know what?
That Pam kind of hits. It does.
I mean, I'm looking right now on Bell and Ross on eBay, man.
It might be the type of scoop.
It's like 1200 bucks i didn't want to say it but yeah dude we're both like running up 1500.

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I'll get my buy-in before this this airs there's
a full blue ceramic bell and ross diver bro or
not diver but bro3 for 1700 buy it now wowsies that's uh that's something full
ceramic full send oh my gosh well maybe maybe somebody some some of the wrist

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cheese heads will uh i can't wait for that dm guys i did a thing,
like you guys really pushed me man yeah i bought this watch i don't regret it
i'm like hey man good for you you get you a nice bronze diver limited edition
dude 2800 bucks let's go Oh, this exact watch.

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I'm looking at $1,000, $1,400 off MSRP already.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Might be a time to scoop. Might be a time to scoop. All right, man.
I do have one more watch, but it's kind of, you know, super not necessary to
talk about, to be honest with you.

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It was kind of my last resort, mail it in.
It's the Rolex Submariner. No. who could
have seen that coming no honestly it's but
it is a diver though it's a it's a monster i love
that little guy and not everyone likes that
little guy so it um it's a
very divisive watch it's a very divisive watch even

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even all these years later it's still a very
divisive i have a gen 1 monster so it
was kind of like the most ugly of all the monster designs
science no hacking og no hacking like
the most disgusting shade of loom you've
ever seen yes and a lot of the orange i'm assuming
it's an orange yeah it's an orange yes and it's probably a hideous traffic cone

(01:25:29):
shade of orange yes and that's what makes it awesome it it totally it totally
is and yeah it's it's a watch that i get asked about a lot um i have one i'm
very happy I'm happy that I have one,
you know, old school Seiko shake movement,
but just an absolute beast.
And the loom, the loom is, it's unparalleled. No, it's great.

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It's unparalleled. So there you go. There's my last pick, but I'm going to mail it in.
You know what it is? For Seiko heads, it's a classic, dare I say, like an icon.
But for people who aren't in that camp, they're like, that is just ogre-ish.
You know, it's a lot what they hate about the Panerais and everything else.

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It's big. It's bulky. It's in your face.
It's something Guy Fieri would wear, you know.
So i get it but i also
i i have a but you're a psycho guy you're a psycho guy i am
so you get that's like that's my wheelhouse but also i
understand people are probably like ew yeah but for for how much ew there's

(01:26:38):
out there these boxes are selling for like 500 plenty of udegora like an an
old gen one monster i saw for like 800 bucks you used to be able to get them
for for like $200 back in the day.
I used to be able to get them for like $1.80.
And that was kind of like twisting somebody's arm to be like,
alright dude, okay, this is an ugly watch. I know I'm not going to sell it.

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I think the monster that I have, a buddy of mine bought it for $180 as part
of a partial trade deal plus a watch. You know what I mean?
It was a throw in. Get this one out of here too. Just take it and do something
with it. So he gave it to me.
I've always liked it. I thought it was kind of funky and weird.

(01:27:23):
And when I first got it, I'm like, oh, no. Did I make a mistake?
This is not cool. And then I started wearing it. I'm like, no,
this is exactly how cool I should be.
So there you go. Go buy you Seiko Monsters. They're awesome.
Fantastic watches. And they will never die. Unlike your Cartier Benoit.
That one will die. What you probably don't even

(01:27:46):
know is was not running yes oh yeah
there you go all right that was good that was a good one but uh but yeah you
know i thought it would be a fun exercise and just you know it's always fun
to play on the flip side once in a while you know there's there's enough hate
to go around enough jokes and trash talk and all that other stuff every once

(01:28:06):
in a while it's it's fun to say you know what it might
be trash but it's my trash it's one man's trash is this guy's man's treasure
yep there you go we'll take it that's it that's it all right yeah until next
time folks be good go yourself pink strap tag us absolutely all of us whatever
wrist she's me strap habit the whole bunch of us,

(01:28:29):
we love to see it love to share it you know it's that time of year so now through october 31st,
Just make it happen.
Other than that, I don't know, man. Just waiting for a good old wind up NYC
to roll around. There we go. Coming up.
There we go. Keep it easy. Keep it cheesy. Let's go. I like.
Music.