Echoes of the Unknown: Exploring Deja Vu

Welcome to the latest episode of Theory of Paranormal. In this intriguing installment, hosts Pax and Dalton dive deep into the enigmatic phenomenon of deja vu. Is it a mere glitch in our brain's processing, or could it be linked to past lives, dreams, or even alien encounters?

Join us as we explore various theories, scientific studies, and personal experiences to uncover the mysteries behind that eerie feeling of familiarity. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, this episode promises to provide thought-provoking insights into one of the most common yet unexplained sensations we experience.

Don't miss out on this captivating discussion that bridges the realms of science and the supernatural. Tune in now to discover what deja vu might reveal about our minds and the universe around us.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Theory of Paranormal. My name is Pax. I have my fellow host with me, Dalton.
We are a podcast about the paranormal.
This is going to be season two, episode slash podcast number seven on the subject

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of... Hey, guess what? Deja vu. Guess what? What's that?
Oh, you already said it. Too bad.
I was going to say, wait, I think I've been here before.
Yes, I got a familiar feeling about that.
So, as I already just stated, you know, for listeners that have listened to

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us before, you may feel like you've experienced this phenomenon.
But it's just because you're a loyal fan base and you're listening to our next
podcast. But for anybody that's a first-time listener, welcome.
Our podcast is going to be on what mine and Dalton's theories are about the
paranormal, hence the very intriguing, enticing name of Theory of Paranormal.

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And we give our viewpoints.
We talk about a myriad slash variety of things of why we believe something is the way it is.
Sometimes we'll throw in a little bit of fiction, sometimes fact, sometimes opinion.
Sometimes things related to the metaphysical sense, and sometimes just point

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blank exactly what our thoughts are and why.
So now that we did that nice little sequence into explaining what this podcast is going to be about,
I'm curious to know, Dalton, with the people that you've known throughout your life,
have you or them ever said, you know what, Dalton, I had the weirdest thing happen the other day.

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I was here or I was in a store or I had X, Y, Z going on.
And the next thing you know, a person walked in or a song played and I felt
like I knew what the next thing was that was going to happen.
Has it ever happened to you before?
Well, first I want to say things are good. How are you? I hope you're doing well.

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Things are doing amazing. I appreciate it. we did have a didn't we have an email
here recently we did we wanted to go ahead,
Now, I just wanted to thank the person before you started on sending that email.
I believe she had posted on some soulmate stuff or something.

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We had somebody reach out to us. He or he. It was a she.
We had somebody reach out to us in reference to a previous podcast that we did concerning soulmates.
And the context more or less was their thoughts and opinions on that and gave

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another viewpoint and expressed that when you utilize words,
you're also expressing energy or a form of thought.
And it can also potentially change or influence scenarios or people potentially

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from what their viewpoint was.
So that is definitely another slant on the soulmate aspect of utilizing energy
and also what the purpose was from their opinion of what soulmates are.
And we definitely appreciate them reaching out to us at TheraParanormal.

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And sharing what their opinion was on that.
Very insightful. We always appreciate any feedback that we get or opinions of any of our podcasts.
A lot of times people will reach out to us at info at theoryparanormal.com and
email us and say, hey, you said X, Y, Z, or you said this about this subject.

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Well, here's a little bit more information that you may or may have not known.
And they will give us more information that we can put part of our kit or our
bag of info or knowledge base.
So we definitely appreciate when people reach out to us and either A,
share experiences about the paranormal.

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B, give us information of things that we may have not already known,
or C, just want to send out a nice email to say, hey, how you doing?
We like the show. Can you do a potential show in the future about this subject or that subject?
Or can you revisit a past subject you've already talked about?

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Because I really, really, really want to learn more about per se, maybe per possession.
For instance, or equipment or dreams or past lives.
So we definitely appreciate when people reach out to us and tell us their thoughts
because what me and Dalton do,
we do this just to expand the knowledge base and to give people a perspective.

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From two individuals, two professionals that have been in the paranormal genre,
shall I say, environment world that have been in it for quite some time and
we just want to share what our knowledge is with the listener you so that way
you can hear it firsthand of how things really are,

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versus what it's like watching something on tv and going is that really how
it is we just more of us said one day hey let's uh let's take all of our knowledge
and our experiences and put it out
there and you know put some thought into
it and throw our theories out there so so

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to circle back around there dalton i'm doing
great appreciate it thanks for asking
i'm doing amazing and hope
you're doing good too yes me and dalton have already
talked previously but he's doing
amazing as always and i want
to know what's your what's your two cents on this with the whole deja vu aspect

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anything stand out in your mind for experiences yeah i don't as far as i mean
i get i get i kind of for some reason i get a lot of those experiences like i feel like i've already,
you know been there before seen it or heard it and i know i know a bunch of people that always.

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They're always telling me, Hey man, I was, I was doing this the other day and
felt felt like I've been there before.
And I'm like, well, you, you might have. And, and I just, you know,
it's kind of a, it's a weird experience.
If you want to say like, if it, like you at first, you're not really thinking about it.

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So it just kind of like comes, it's, it's, it's usually think about it after it's already happened.
Right. I mean, that's kind of the way I, you know, the way I do it is not the
way I do it, but the way it happens to me is, is something will happen.
And then I walk away and like, you know, five or 10 minutes later,

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it feels like I'm, I started thinking, I go, man, I feel like I've,
I've been there, done that already. What's up with that? You know?
And then, you know, it's not that I sit there and just go deja vu, but.
You know, I do think about it because it does happen quite often for some reason.
But, you know, how about you? Does it happen a lot to you?

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For myself, I will say it happens randomly.
No rhyme or reason. There is no pattern.
You know, the stars aren't aligned a certain way. It's not a certain time of year.
I'm not a certain age only. You know, it's only on when I'm even ages or odd

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ages it happens or certain months.
It just happens.
And I kind of chuckle to myself because sometimes I try to, you know,
as a memory, look at it for what it is and see if it'll come to me to see if
I can see the next piece of information before it actually happens.
Sometimes I will have an inkling or feeling of something that's happened.

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And then just because I would do the exact opposite of what I feel is happening. Because why not?
There's people out there that say your life is predispositioned and predetermined
and it's going to be how it is and it's fate and it's all about what things
have planned for you and stuff.

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Me, I like to be a little bit more of a free thinker and think we choose and create our own destiny.
Me but there there have
been things that have happened in life that when
you add all the pieces together it's hard to shake
a stick at it and say yeah this is this
is bogus or if you look at the big picture going

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wow all these things had to happen exactly the
certain way they did for x outcome to happen and
when you do that it's like what are the odds so to
answer your question though yes I have had a few instances where deja vu has
happened to me and sometimes I go with the grain of salt on it you know and

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go with the flow and other times I just go with the exact opposite of what I think is gonna happen.
Well the phrase deja vu you know
it's borrowed from the French and it means
already seen yep and it
usually occurs when someone perceives they
have already experienced a situation before and their body experiences a familiarity

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with the experience which is kind of what we were talking about and the the
whole thing about deja vu to me is.
You know, doesn't happen pretty frequently. I mean, yeah, I got a lot of people
that come to me all the time and they're like, Hey,

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you know, I get, I get this feeling like, like pretty, pretty frequent that,
you know, I've done a lot of things now.
Our last podcast was about what, you know, reincarnation and stuff.
So I'm, I'm kind of wondering, you know, do you think that, you know,

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So deja vu is part of a reincarnating experience, like you're coming back.
And, you know, like we talked about, our scientists used to,
you know, hypnotize people and try to get them to remember certain key elements
that they might not know now, but they might have known in their past life.
So instead of a scientist hypnotizing us, is it just the universe,

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excuse me, popping back in and throwing these little nuggets at us going,
hey, remember this, remember that, you know, or is it just a plain old,
maybe something you dreamed about at one time?
You know, you dream like, oh, blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden, like you're there.

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It's kind of hard to say because they do have some medical disorders that go
along with deja vu what is that the temporal lobe epilepsy.
Basically an experience it's a
neurological anomaly related to epileptic and electrical discharge in the brain

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creating a strong sensation that like an event or an experience currently being
experienced has already been experienced in the past but you kind of wonder
when when you talk about medical disorders.
To me, it's like, how could you call it a medical disorder?

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I guess that's their way of saying it, but instead of going,
oh, it's paranormal, I guess. What's your thoughts on that?
Well, I think a lot of times it is going to be about whatever is going on in society.
Just because the fact with the society that we live in now, everything is diagnosed.

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It's rationalized. rationalized, it's scientific, it's medicalized,
my word for there has to be a medical reason for it, a diagnosing,
or it says, explanation.
There never is a explanation of just because.
When I wholeheartedly believe there's an explanation of just because,

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because the the rational mind cannot answer it away or give a description,
it scares a lot of people.
It makes a lot of people all of a sudden get nervous because out of anything
the human brain does, it wants to understand and it wants to have a definitive
reason why something is.

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And that is, if anything, one of probably Probably the most caristical traits
of the human being is the brain is to understand why.
Well, they've tried, you know, I mean, early researchers tried to,
you know, establish this link between deja vu and these mental disorders.

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And they've even thrown like anxiety, dissociative identity disorder.
Yep. Even down to schizophrenia. Oh,
there's tons of ways that it can be answered away or talked away for medical
reasons, for physiological reasons, for psychological reasons, for emotional reasons,

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you know, psychosomatic reasons. Yeah, but they failed. I mean,
there's going to, I mean, right.
There could be tons of reasons, but not to really jump to another genre.
But in the past, we've talked about possessions.
Sometimes things are just what they are. They're not going to necessarily have

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a underlining go-to reason for it to make sense.
Well, they don't. That's the problem is that they failed to find correlations
of any diagnostic value with that.
In 2008 i believe it was when i was doing some research they found that deja vu experiences are,

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unlikely to be pathological dissociative experiences
basically but they are looking into like they're they did some research that
was looking into some genetics basically although Although there's not a current
gene associated with deja vu,

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but they were talking and I'm not I'm not big on like genes and stuff.
But I know that they were mentioning like chromosome 10 is being studied for a possible link.
Certain forms of the gene are associated, again, with mild epilepsy.
And though by no means, excuse me, man, it's kind of dry out here.

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And by no means you know this this they're saying that it kind of sometimes
may occur often during seizures but they they i don't know that i guess they really don't have,
an actual suspect for that but i

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don't i mean to me i mean i don't i'm i know
i know a couple people that have seizures yep
my epileptic seizures and i can
tell you right now there's there's there's no way that they've ever come out
of a seizure going oh i just remembered something or you know besides the seizure

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being something very familiar to them you know what i'm saying they just didn't
come out and go you know something came to me that looked like i've I've been here,
done that before, besides the seizure part.
So the seizures, epileptic seizures, are not pretty, and they're very deadly as well.
So I don't know where they would come up with that.

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But anyway, it kind of floors me when I read some of these medical...
These people that try to do these researches and then they come up with this
stuff. But anyway. Yeah. So I agree to you. I think it's a phenomenon for sure.
What kind of phenomenon? I don't, I'm not too.
Well, I mean, if you, if you want to think about it logically,

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the brain has a bunch of synapses that fire off, you know, all over the brain.
Microseconds and even halves of that.
And I'm not going to get too nerdy and stuff. and by any means shape or form
I'm not anybody with medical training but the way I see it is is for instance

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you have the front lobe of your brain okay,
sensory cortex for instance sight hearing touch smell and temporal lobes different
portions of your memory and limbic system prefrontal cortex all All that has

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to do with decision-making,
executive functioning skills.
All these things are imprinting every second that we live to give us imagery,
to give us an experience, long-term, short-term, it gets ingrained in our memory,
and then that becomes us, literally.

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And I think another angle to look at it is, is that is impressed upon you as sights, sounds,
senses of feeling, depending on what's going on that you're perceiving,
and it gets ingrained in your brain.
Sometimes you may have an experience that might mimic something that you had a long time ago.

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It may not be at the very tip of your tongue or at the very front of your brain
for the memory to come back, but individuals say that also may be why you experienced deja vu.
It may not be exactly the same scenario, but certain pieces may fall in play.
Well, they've been studying this for a long time. I mean, even back in 1876, I believe it was, 1875,

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you had, I don't get my southern accent, or French name, it's going to be horrible,
but I do not speak French whatsoever. That sounds like a challenge there.
Well, I know his first name, I believe, was Emil, and it was Barack or something if you want to.

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That's just what I'm going with, Barack or Borak, but he was a philosopher back
in the 1870s who who basically wrote a book.
It was called, I'm not even going to try to pronounce it.
Anyway, it was about the sensation of deja vu and basically how he presented

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it as a reminiscence of memories.
So a lot of the experiments led these scientists that these,
It's called a memory phenomenon.
So basically what I just called it basically is a memory. It's a phenomenon that happens.
Now, you got to think about it too that our body is made of energy, right?

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So a lot of these energy sources travel through our brain as well,
correct? You can say that.
Okay. So if the energy doesn't die and let's say, you know, like,
like we talk about in the paranormal, your body's basically a vessel.
Yep. So you can, you can call it your soul or your energy source or your,

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you know, your reactor or whatever.
Anyway, you pass away.
So your energy is left behind and becomes part of the universe or part of the earth.
Earth basically part of the atmosphere whatever So you take this energy Source

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and you put it in another vessel And it basically is reborn right but.
I could see where, like, you're not changing this energy source.
So let me just put it like, so if you take an energy source and just pull it
out of here and put it into something else, that energy source is going to stay the same, right?

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In theory, well, in theory of what we believe our perception is of physics.
Six so right so if i took so if i took right
so if i took the energy out of this if i
was able to pull the energy out of this light
bulb i'm trying to find a good scenario

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transference right well
if i pull the if i pull the energy out of this this light
bulb in this casing and put
it in this light bulb in this other casing it's still going to
do the same thing right it's going to light up it should right
in theory in theory yes so if
you took if you took the soul of a

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person or the energy and it it's it's brought out of one vessel and put into
another which would be let's say you know you're just name it you're reincarnated
okay so you're you're reborn but But at first,
it takes a while for your actual thought process to come back,

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but it's not supposed to.
And all kind of, I know I'm like all over the place with this because I'm trying
to find the best way to describe it.
But basically, you're dealing with the same energy source.
So what I never did really not, I dove pretty deep into deja vu years ago. And.

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Don't ever think I recalled anybody even coming close to talking about that.
May you know, you're dealing with the same energy source.
It's just in a different vessel. So, yes, you're going to have,
you know, memory lapses or memory from a phenomenon.
There's going to be a phenomenon where, you know, this person is going to be

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walking down the sidewalk and somebody says something to them and they have
this five minute conversation and they walk away and they go, okay.
I feel like I've had this conversation before. Well, you probably did.
Because what do we talk about when you're reincarnated? You know,
you come back to finish what you couldn't finish or what you didn't pass your test in the last life.

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So you're going to be retested again. So do you not think that these two sort of play hand in hand?
I mean, you know, like, okay, yeah, deja vu.
Okay i'm going to remember some things that
i probably did before because it just happened
the same way miraculously like by miracle
but i'm in a different shell on a different path but this yes this happened

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before because my energy source didn't change just my vessel did yeah you understand
what i'm trying to say no i do i do i got i got one for you if you uh if you
want to hear a pretty Pretty cool theory.
Of course, always. And I've kind of touched base on this before, as far as it goes.

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And I'll use the same analogy I used before in the past. For anybody that's
ever had to go to school, normally high school or college, before you go to
school, you got to, at the beginning of the year, pick out your classes.
And then you go to school. And you do all the classes you picked out.
You already know what your path is. You already know what you're going to do. Now imagine,

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Instead of you knowing what you're going to do, imagine going to school,
picking out all your classes, everything set up.
And then when that first day comes, you having no idea for the whole year what you're supposed to do.
And you just got to go every single day and do the best you can at it.

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But I think for an interesting theory,
I think potentially, maybe, and I've heard this before,
I've read about this, I've had people confer with me on this,
that your life is already predispositioned.
It's already supposed to be how it's supposed to be in stone.

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And before you're born, it's already set all before you.
It's kind of like watching a movie. You already know everything that's going
to happen. You've already seen it. And then you're born.
And then you physically, mentally, emotionally, psychologically,
any perception way that you can think of, have no idea what's supposed to happen in life.

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And you just do it. But I think sometimes,
just maybe, the whole deja vu thing might be a slip up in the energy and you're
getting a sense of something that maybe might be happening that you already knew.
I'll give you a real example from myself, which I find pretty interesting and unique.

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I had to go before I ended up once upon a time joining the military and I had
to go to a meeting and I had the recruiter drive me and since I was in the military
they wore green uniform a bunch of awards and all that and,
He was driving in a car and I was in the passenger seat. Pretty straightforward.

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Well, for some reason, I had a dream about three years prior to this event really happening.
And the dream was really quick. It was just about there being a blur next to me of green,
me being in a car, sitting in the passenger seat, there being a radio station

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on, hearing a bunch of music in the background, but I really couldn't make it out.
And me going down the interstate, passing a bunch of road signs, and they're all blurry.
All's I know is somehow in this dream, the song became legible.

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I heard a certain phrase in the song.
When that happened, I automatically looked out the window, looked up to my top
right, and saw a street name on a billboard board to get off the interstate.
Right after that moment happened that I saw that street sign that was hanging
over the interstate, I looked to my left and I see an arm laying on the armrest.

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Now, I completely forgot about this. I was like, whatever.
The interesting thing was, after I went and took a military exam and some other
stuff, I was being driven on a road trip I was tired.
It was a long, long day. I was like three hours out, three hours back.

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And I really didn't have lunch. So I was almost in and out, like asleep in the car.
And I hear this song in the background.
Meanwhile, I'm listening to the recruiter talk to me. So his voice is almost
the same level of the song. I could barely hear it.
And I'm like almost in and out of consciousness because I'm like ready to go to sleep.

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Certain part of the song plays i look
at the screen that shows the radio
station and when that certain part of the song plays
i automatically look up and see the same exact road sign that i saw from my
dream and then after i looked at the road sign i looked to my left and i saw
his arm sitting there on the armrest between the front passenger seat and the

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driver's seat and the rest Now.
That may dip into a type of, in some people's minds, ability to be able to pre-see
an event before it happens.
Some people can call that deja vu because it was an event that you already knew

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what was going to take place.
Some people consider deja vu only at
that point of interaction of it being spontaneous for
you to have an inclination of what's going on for myself
personally out of the few big instances of deja vu that was the one that really
made me take a good look at things and say how is this possible you know because

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that dream well when you when you look at it i forgot about that dream I mean,
this was even before I thought about even going in the military and then for
that to happen exactly the way it did, you know, it was like,
Hey, this is, this is interesting.
Well, and again, though, you're dealing with a dream that you had and you,

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you, you had mentioned this in the last podcast about this, this ordeal. Yep.
And and the thing is,
you're talking about from a dream to a true event where I can see like because
there's so there's so many different types of deja vu, I guess you want to say.

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There's been so many studies at it,
being like even in what was
it 2012 they had a journal it
was called what was it called consciousness and cognition
where they used virtual reality technology to
study reported deja vu experiences and

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basically it was going from it was an investigation basically that the similarity
between a new scenes layout and a layout that of a previous experience now when
you go from dream to reality.
I'm not, you know, to be honest with you, I don't know if I would actually state that as like a deja vu.

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Now, it could be, but if you actually, let's say, lived it before,
and then, you know, you had something at that moment,
because what they're saying is basically when they did this study on the virtual reality thing,
so they had a layout and the previous experience scene actually fails when the

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new experience starts to take over.
But there's a memory in the previous experience that can still exert an effect.
And that effect may be the feeling of the familiar familiarity with the new scene.
That's basically trying to word it the way I see it. I'm, I'm at loss for words tonight, brother.

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Hey, I know, I know, I know, know you've been been on the grind and taking care
of business so it's it's a duly so so,
basically if they if they it's basically what they were doing was they were
trying to take an old scene ignite a new scene and then see if the new scene ignited.

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Ignited the old one but you know
the it basically that memory failed to be recalled And that was in 2012.
So in 2018, they had a bunch of volunteers and they put their brains under control.

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They called an experimentally induced deja vu
if you can imagine that induced like they induced deja vu so and it was through
the use of mri brain scans which induced they induced the deja vu state which
i'm kind of every time that i think about that or even say that i'm trying to wonder how do

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you induce a deja vu state but it
was it was created by getting them to look
at a set a series of logical logically related
and unrelated words and the researchers would
then ask the participants how many words starting with a specific letter they
saw and with these related words such as door and screen and breeze the participants

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would be asked if they saw any words that that was basically started with the, say, the letter W.
And if they did, if they did, if they thought that they saw a word that wasn't
presented to them, then deja vu was induced.
And these researchers would then examine the volunteers' brains at the moment

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of induced deja vu from these scans that they were given.
And they noticed that there was a visible activity and the reasons of the brain
associated with mnemonic conflict.
And this basically suggests to the research that.
Basically regarding memory conflict may be important in a better understanding of deja vu.

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So they're basically going, I don't, you know, to me, like, I hate reading any
kind of medical stuff or trying to recite medical stuff because they twist the
words where I'm sitting there going, you know, what are you talking about?
It's kind of like, and okay, you're inducing it.
You never really say how you're inducing it, but you know, is it,

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So what I guess they're saying, is it a conflict between your everyday memory
and then, you know, say a past memory?
I'm not too sure, but I know they've been doing a lot of tests of that.
But then you have crypto-nesia, which is where information is learned,
that the information learned is forgotten, but nevertheless stored in the brain.

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Now, this kind of makes sense when you think of this scenario,
how something is stored in the brain, and it's basically what we're talking
about, and a similar occurrence may invoke the contained knowledge.
So now now let's think about, you know, 20 years ago, you know,
you're walking down the street and me and you running to each other.

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We have a conversation. Right.
And somehow, 20 years later, we run. We're walking down the street,
kind of in the same area because we're always in that same, you know, vicinity.
Vicinity, say people working with each other or people, you know,
people that work in downtown areas and cities, they go to the same coffee shop
or the same restaurant or whatever.

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They run into the same people that might work somewhere else,
but they run into the same people.
And then 20 years later, we, we wind up going to the same, let's say coffee
shop, run into each other.
But 20 years ago, we did the same thing. We ran into each other at that same
coffee shop. and somehow we had the same.

(36:38):
Much almost the same conversation now when
you talk about deja vu and i tried to explain this
to some people that deja vu doesn't have to mean something 100 years ago or
50 years ago it could be 10 years ago five years ago you know what i'm saying
it's it's it's funny how we could we could run into each other and we've done

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it recently i mean heck when i come over to your house,
the other day to pick you up to go to the office and do the podcast.
I think we did have the same conversation we had probably a month ago on the phone.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. No, it definitely happens.
And like you're saying, it doesn't necessarily have to be something that's past

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lives or a long time ago. It could be a month ago.
It could be a few days ago. I mean, it just depends on the instance.
And the hard thing is sometimes you get so busy in life, when you're caught
up in the moment, you're not really paying attention to where it's like,
oh yeah, this kind of happened before. Some people get a feeling inside.
Some people feel it in their head. Some people feel it different places.

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But what it comes down to, namely, is that familiarity of a scenario or situation,
that has happened or is about to happen in the moment.
And that is what deja vu is coined as.
You know and you could be like the guy standing at the atm in the bank on the

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corner and it just so happens that corner has a frequent accident about every
two weeks it's kind of like,
no you know i had a buddy of mine tell me to tell me that that you know he goes
to the same atm on the same corner and about every two weeks because you know
he'll stop in there on thursday or friday and he'll grab whatever he needs for

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the for the next week or that weekend or whatever he's doing
And he's like, bro, every two weeks, man, somebody's running to each other on that corner.
Is that deja vu or is it just that corner?
That's called poor city planning, poor traffic management.
That's what I told him. I said, man, it's just that corner. It doesn't have nothing.

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I don't think it would have anything to do with deja vu. But in 1965,
I don't know if you ever heard of a Robert Efron.
He was Boston's Veterans Hospital since you're a vet. Yeah.
And he proposed that deja vu is caused by dual neurological processing.

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That's the actual term of his deja vu.
Deja vu is dual neurological processing and is caused by delayed signals.
The synapses, the firing of the synapses in the brain that delayed micromilliseconds
or one-tenths of milliseconds that it takes for the synapses to work are even granular than that.

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We all know that the brain is ran off of minute electrical impulses.
So is your CNS system, central nervous system in your body. Yeah.
And hence the fact when we talked about the eight second delay,
when somebody changes your forward motion, let's say you got something on your
mind and you know exactly what you're doing.

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And somebody comes and basically says, throws a wrench in it.
It takes your brain eight seconds to figure out what just happened there.
And so that's kind of that delayed signal, I guess. But he found that the brain
sorting of incoming signals is done in the temporal lobe of the brain's left hemisphere.

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However, these signals enter the temporal lobe twice before processing,
once from each hemisphere of the brain, and then normally with a slightly delay
of milliseconds between them.
So he proposed that if you had two signals that were occasionally not synchronized
properly, then they'd be processed as two separate experiences,

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with the second seeming to be a reliving of the first.
Now that makes a little bit more sense than the cryptonesia.
So for anybody that's going, I just stumbled upon Theory of Paranormals podcast
on Deja Vu and just started playing here just for it to make sense for,

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for anybody that's listening at the moment, we're talking about Deja Vu.
We're talking about the way the brain works and how sometimes mismatching electrical
impulses in the brain or the synapses is doing what they do to hard code or imprint memories,
thoughts, events,
sometimes off of scientific opinion, medical opinion.

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Opinion if there's any delay in this encoding that it will generate a deja vu experience,
that you perceive so basically if the matrix is broken i'm just kidding right
that's a whole nother conversation good good movie good movie though but yeah let me some Keanu.

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But anyway, you know, it makes sense.
Like, I mean, you can have deja vu within hours.
So that kind of like this Efron guy is kind of, to me, touch base on.
The basis not the not the whole scenario of deja vu but what might be the basis of deja vu is where,

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you have you know you're you're basically two sides of the brain right so you
got the left i guess you would call
it the left hemisphere in the right hemisphere or whatever but yeah but,
when you have let's say if you have two signals coming into your like you got
because you know So you constantly, you know, you always mention the eyes,

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the ears, the smelling and all that.
So your eyes and your ears, let's say those are two different forms of feeding
the brain, right? Because you're hearing things and you're seeing it. Yeah.
Now, we're not going to talk about smell or taste or anything.
That's totally different from what I'm getting at.
But your main deja vu is hearing and sight.

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So you have what you're hearing and you have what you're seeing.
And if one of those is slower than the other one, so you're going to perceive
it because you've seen it, right?
And let's say the hearing part is a little slower than the seeing part.
And you go a few hours later and you hear the same sound, but now you're not seeing it.

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So that sound is reliving what you saw, basically.
Am I kind of hitting it on the head there? Does that kind of make sense?
No, it does. Because it's just about encoding of one sense over another sense
and the way it transfers from an actual event to it being stored in your brain.

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Right. And then, so if it's synchronized from what you're seeing and hearing,
let's say, and I could be totally wrong and somebody can be a medical person
listening to this and beat me up on it. I don't care.
The good news is, this is your theory.
Exactly. So, but, so if it's synchronized and you, and what you're hearing and

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seeing comes in at the same time and there's no delay between it,
you're never going to have that deja vu.
It's not going to happen because it was synchronized in your brain.
Right, because everything got encoded the correct way.
Right. So now you can go into a dream-based explanation.

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Now we're going to catch on your story, right? Because like I said,
you dreamed it and then you lived it, right?
Yep, years apart.
Years apart, right. So dreams can also be used to explain the experience of
days that I've moved, and they're related in three different aspects.

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Basically, the first part is a duplicate situation in the dream instead of waking
conditions, basically done by this, I believe his name was Brown.
I don't remember the year, 2002 or 2004 or something. And I don't know.
Anyway, 20 percent of his respondents reported their days of view experiences were from dreams.

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And 40 percent of the respondents reported they both from both reality and dreams.
So you're in the 40 percentile there, according to the report. Right.
So because you had it, you had it as a dream and reality. out to you.
So the second part, people may experience deja vu because some elements of.

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Were in their dreams that they remembered were shown
then there was another research guy
i wrote some of this down try to remember but research guy
named zuger or whatever in 66 supported this idea by investigating the relationship
between remembered dreams and deja vu experiences and suggested that there is

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a strong correlation between them now the third part is people may
experience deja vu during a dream state
which links deja vu with a
dream frequency so now we're getting in
the frequencies of the brain that could
be you know deja vu related well here's something for you a cool little nugget

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there is such a thing of not a regular psychologist but a parapsychologist and
there are parapsychologists out there that
subscribe and believe to the answer slash theory or definition of deja vu being

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related to a event or an experience that has been held or happened similarly to a past life.
That's just what they believe.
Right. So then we fall back to reincarnation. right which gets kind of away
from deja vu because deja vu is about an instantaneous.

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Event that happens that gives you the
feeling you've already had this happen before so there's
a lot of some of it but some of it go ahead no go ahead finish what you're saying
i was gonna say some of this stuff is paradoxical which you know then we can
get to like you know all sorts of cool things like you know well and it feels

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like the fourth and fifth dimensions and,
right and it kind of feels like I'm rolling a you know playing Dungeons and
Dragons rolling a six-sided dice you know trying to figure out what's what but.
You know, and a lot of it, what I was going to say was a lot of it is not very at the moment.

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Like I said, you could do something and then go about your day because you're
not really thinking about it.
It's not like you're walking down the road and you're like, oh,
I'm going to think about deja vu all day.
Well, it's a very fleeting experience moment that hits you and as quick as it's there, it's gone.

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On it's not a lingering effect that continually
goes on for minutes and minutes and minutes it's literally instantaneous for
a second or two and then as soon as it's there it's already went on its way
which i find interesting that for the majority of things or cases.

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That's how it is it's not a substantial continual lingering feeling that is consistent over time,
or a time period of like say like oh this is going on for 15 minutes you know
so no it's a brief moment it's just a brief moment and and there's also a thing
there was a there was actually

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a controversial theory created by Carl Jung,
if I'm pronouncing it J-U-N-G, Jung. Yep, that's correct.
He called it collective unconsciousness. So it was basically,
this was used to explain the phenomenon of deja vu.

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His theory was that all people have shared basically a pool of knowledge that
has been and passed down through generations, and we can unconsciously access this knowledge.
Some have said, basically, that this would be a certain...
Types, you know, like mother, father, and hero, or possibly about basic situations,

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emotions, or other patterns.
If we can access shared knowledge, deja vu could potentially be an effect of
recognizing one of the basically collectively stored patterns.
And I guess that's what makes it controversial. controversial uh
i don't i i have to go

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into that a little bit further because i remember reading it but
i'm not sure if it actually outlined his explanation
on i mean if you're let's say
shared knowledge you know passed through generations if
i got generations that i haven't even met yet how's that
how's it shared knowledge unless they're talking
like say whatever your mother learned from

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your grandmother and she passed it on to you
kind of thing that right there
that right there is called dna because
if you got to have one lingering factor between you and a family member of the
past it's your dna you know nobody fully understands the helix that encompasses everything of DNA.

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They just know it's there. But there's also so much to it that nobody even understands
today with common medicine, futuristic medicine, technology.
It's still untapped. It's undiscovered. I mean, at least we're able to do DNA
sequencing and figuring out things, if things are similar or not,
for forensics and different things medically. But...

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Thing that is known is that your DNA changes.
As you get older, things happen. You get older, things aren't as strong.
Unfortunately, there's an aging process. It's all due to DNA.
Well, also with that, your DNA changes. Who's to say chemically your brain changes

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or your thought process change not on purpose or electrical impulse-wise things change.
It's a known fact that your brain needs many different things for it to work optimally.
And as you get from younger to older, as you mature,

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things change of how speed is,
processing developmental so
unfortunately it's it's it's part
of life you know one of
the most interesting takeaways from deja

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vu is scientists don't know
what causes it they literally don't there
is no de facto golden answer
to say here's why
but well and you can you can take it
as and just real quick like you you just hit the you kind of hit the nail the

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scientists don't know that's why they're reading off all these different studies
that they've done and right and and basically you know i mean it's going to
sound funny because we just mentioned it but the matrix Man,
I mean if you look at the matrix,
the movie the matrix Trinity.
Pretty much told neo that deja

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vu is a glitch in the matrix so basically for anybody
that doesn't understand or know never watched the matrix doesn't
know it as well as dalton which is going to be hard because
he's a big matrix fan if you haven't caught on his matrix
is nothing more than a alternate reality slash consciousness so a different

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consciousness of what you would innately have and it's a whole nother thing
to get into but if you're curious about matrix by any means,
look into it explore it go watch it i am not
endorsing it yeah we don't get proceeds or anything
like that this is just going no we're not but but

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it's just it's funny right because it's
funny how we talk about in a lot of aspects in
the in the natural world in the natural world all
everybody everybody that okay people that are movie
buffs right like real movie buffs that
sit down and watch a movie and they pick up the easter eggs in the movie or
they pick up whatever right the real movie buffs that know that i mean let me

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let me just put it to you in a funny scenario because i always think it's funny
when people look at me funny when i say this but the simpsons,
seem to always know what's going to happen like years before i i got right so.
So what i'm saying though is like a lot of
movies predict some things that either

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are going to happen or that have happened and and
it's only at the time when and there's sort
of a deja vu instance you could watch a
movie and then go you know
five years down the road and something happens and you go hey didn't
that you remember that movie and and then you
start talking about it so it just made me

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feel that you said that the scientists have no they don't have a reason no and
but to to say it's ironic i mean you're talking about the matrix for a analogy
sake as As just a side commentary,
another movie that I thoroughly enjoyed, we don't really get into our personal

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opinions of these type of natures normally in our podcasts, but is Constantine.
That involved him also. And that explains or shows a lot of,
the best way I can put it is how on certain levels, I believe how things may

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be, but that's a whole different thing to look into.
So all I'll say is if you want a really good movie, watch that.
It kind of ties in to things.
Things how's that zinger for the
left field yeah there you go and i
love constantine actually they're making a second one but anyway constantine fell

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more above the biblical lines of the paranormal it was paranormal based but
it dealt with the biblical but anyway so to get back to what we were saying
you know i was i was mentioning you know because a lot of a lot of scientists man And they've done,
like I mentioned, virtual reality. They've done hypnosis.

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And it could be something simple like playing a game or looking at a printed word.
Like I mentioned, they did the word thing or a certain color.
And then the patients in different groups were given a suggestion to either
forget or remember the memory, which could later trigger the sense of deja vu
they encountered basically through the game or the word.

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So other scientists have attempted to bring, which I said, virtual reality,
but the Sims, you remember the Sims video game?
Yeah. On the PC. My daughters used to play that all the time, Sims.
And they said there was one scene that was purposely created on the map from

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basically one map to another.
Other for example all the bushes in the virtual garden were replaced with piles
of trash to create a junkyard with the same layout so what they were doing was
to see if that situation recognizes,
the similarity between the bushes and the trash basically you understand i'm

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trying to say there so even in even in a video game that we all used to play
i mean i played the sims and i never knew that never realized that they were trying to do that.
Kind of weird well but this isn't something i normally look into to think about
but you just gave me something to think about that's interesting though,

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it is interesting that that a science a group of scientists actually used now
now now see See, that's what's messed up, bro. Bro?
Tell me, bro. It makes me think about the video game that we talked about up in Washington. Yeah.

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Did they create the Sims game? I mean, I know I'm going to left field here,
but it just kind of made, they mentioned it.
The scientists mentioned the Sims game and how one moment you'd have like a
row of bushes and next thing it'd be a pile of trash in the same line where
the row of bushes are to see if, if a deja vu moment comes back and says, well, wait,

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I sensed like it's a different object, but I sensed this was something else.
So it comes down to the encoding of the brain with similarities overlapping
each other to see which one stands out the most for being hard-coded to give
that euphoric deja vu sense and then see what that person remembers is what

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you're trying to say, ultimately. Right.
But did they bring out the Sims game? Now it's got me wondering.
I know we're going to conspiracy now. I got to get off that.
But anyway, I never thought you would talk about conspiracy theorists in a video game of The Sims.
That's a hard. Well, I'm just I'm sorry. That's a hard pass for me.

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I'm just saying, man, it's like, you know, did they bring The Sims game out to that?
Is that part of the test? You know, I don't know. I'm going away from that.
All right. Let me step back to reality.
So if it just makes you think it makes you think, You know, how,
why would they mention the same, the Sims video game if there wasn't something

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to it? Oh, it is what it is.
I mean, the whole thing about the Sims though,
is it's a perfect modeling effect of different behaviors and to be able to do
scenario based information and imprinting and data and so forth.
So I think that's why that was utilized in that manner.

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Personally that's my theory so
that's your theory that's my theory
so so another theory of
deja vu is with false memories if you know that oh i can definitely see false
memories for anybody that doesn't know you can have false memories by the encoding

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not working correctly when you're short -term and long-term,
encode stuff to your brain.
The brain, as I said in the very beginning, wants to understand why things the way they are.
And it is a proven known fact, especially with individuals that have had trauma or injuries.

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To their head or their brain and their cognitive abilities aren't exactly where they're supposed to be,
that their brains, they're meaning collectively just any individual that has
had this type of environment, unfortunately,

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the brain does not hard code things correctly as the way it should for long-term or short-term memory.
Therefore, it will remember pieces of an event.
Now, instead of it just remembering maybe a flash of a car going through an
intersection, it raining, and music playing, it will also temporarily have,

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let's say, a guy driving the car, okay? A dog barking.
Now, what happens is when the person tries to remember this because of the limiting
factors of what happened with said injuries or temporary or permanently,
the brain is not going to remember the dog or it's not going to remember the man.

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It might replace the man with a woman.
Okay. It will automatically try to make sense of what's going on and fill in
the gaps where the brain is not able to synopsis wise encode it.

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So then when somebody says, oh yeah, I remember that car the other day,
it was purple and it went through the intersection and they were playing no
music and it was a nice old lady or,
you know, a young man driving through and the other person's looking at them going, dude,
I was with you. What are you talking about? Yeah.

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Person sitting there with a dog hanging
out of the car barking at everything cranked up
metal music and you know
it was a mid 50
year old guy you know with his top
down just going through the intersection and it's like oh really that happened

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so sometimes well with this events you have to rely on other things besides
what you perceive that happened to say,
okay, this is how it is.
But the reason why I bring this really long, elaborate scenario up is just to
show the preface of the way the brain works.

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There was visible gaps. Well, the brain works in mysterious ways.
Right. There was visible gaps in what was happening, but the brain was trying
to make sense of it so it automatically filled in the voids with its own imagery
or logic to make it make sense.
Right and that falls upon from you seeing

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something of the now that triggered something of the then
exactly and then what it's doing is putting the two
things together exactly which can kind of go back and
tie into deja vu also because it's all
like you said it's about the encoding of the things working
together in tandem or not creating that sense
right which would be the false memory i

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mean i believe it would fall under false memory because that form
of deja vu a false memory would be similar to feeling when
you can't differentiate the referent thank you between something that really
happened versus a dream or not even a dream but like you just talked about So

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you you know what you're talking about, but you're putting it out there a little different.
Like you can't differentiate between the two.
Right. What was your reality basically versus what you believe or perceived to be reality? Right.
So that so that kind of goes you're you're right
it kind of i believe that falls along a false

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memory deja vu but others others
blame the uh rhino cortex now we're
getting into medical and i'm not a doctor but i just know
that somebody was in the rhino cortex you've had
me fooled this whole time and now you make that
proclamation that you are not a doctor no more
are calling you dr dalton from this point forward okay no

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no no more so the rhino cortex the
area of the brain that signals that something feels familiar for
somehow being triggered without the memories to back it up that's that's their
rhino cortex ordeal so you know they all you can say like you could probably
put 20 scientists in the same room and tell them write us a thesis on.

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Deja vu and they're all going to talk about it's all going to have the same part of,
this the brain that signals something familiar right
it's all going to it's all going to start out with that where i get where i
get lost into reading research about these different doctors and scientists

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is when they get further into their writing of their thesis or their suggestion or their theory of it,
then they start to differentiate the.
Think what their base what their baseline is or underlining foundation
ultimately right because you

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know i talked about the mri scans
which was they were actually f you ever
heard of an fmri scan i'd never
been a radiological radiological technician so i'm
not really privy on all the different code right
well i haven't either i've never i mean everybody
knows mri and cat scans right and ct

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scans but they have a ct scans which
you know so they have
what they do on this on their studies here is actually
called an fmri scan and that is a functional magnetic renaissance imaging machine
which basically renaissance it's like an mra resonance yes resonance yes thank

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you That would be pretty cool to go get an MRI and be in the Renaissance era.
Yeah, right. That would be cool.
Deja vu, right? I've been there before. No, I'm just kidding.
So that's what they're calling an fMRI,
and that's what they use to scan, like, X amount of participants when they did the research.

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So after the, you know, you got those different types of research,
different types of scans.
And then I'm going to touch base on a few more things real quick,
but you got the pharmacology.
So we were in like, like I think a while we were in the medical disorders earlier.

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To the pharmacology part, certain combinations of medical drugs that have been
reported to increase the chances of deja vu.
Now, I can say, you know, you're on drugs. You're going to probably have all
kinds of deja vu, but anyway.
I mean, literally, you are. You're on drugs, literally. Literally.
What they did is this foreign dude, I'm not even going to try to pronounce his name back in 01,

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explored the case of otherwise healthy persons who started experiencing intense
and reoccurring situations of deja vu upon taking the drugs.
I want to say Amitabh did something. It's weird.
It's got a weird name. But anyway, and this other drug that they used,

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you just have to go look it up because I can't pronounce these words.
So, but together to relieve flu symptoms,
these two drugs were to relieve flu symptoms and the action of the drugs in
the previous findings from electrode stimulation of the brain.
And then they give some other words I can't pronounce. I hate trying to read medical stuff.

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Hey, but that right there, though, it just was like a red flag.
Electro stimulation of the brain.
That's literally getting induced electrical current to your brain.
No, thank you. Right. So go ahead, please. Right.
Right. And they called it a dopaminergetic or whatever.

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Anyway, so this result in this action, it basically the medial temporal areas
of the brain, a similar, basically a similar case study by.
Chrysler, Zeman or something. I forget her name. But anyway,
it's like in 2007 suggests the link between deja vu and stereo. Let's see.

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I'm going to I'm trying to if I don't say the words, I mean,
how the heck you supposed to know what I'm talking about?
But serotoneric system
after another otherwise healthy woman
began experiencing similar symptoms while taking
a combination of five hydroxtrophin or
something and and cardi dopa anyway these are weird names i've never heard of

(01:10:36):
these drugs but obviously it deals with what i'm getting at is it It deals with
people trying to do stuff to get rid of the flu, and they're healthy.
And they were taking these certain things, and it was actually these drugs were
basically supposedly inducing deja vu.

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Now, it would be kind of hard for me to sit there and even agree with the pharmaceutical
part of it, because that drug could be playing all kinds of tricks on your mind.
You know, I'm going to put that under false memories.
I'm going to put that under the false pretense of deja vu. I mean,

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when you look at it, you know.
Pharmacological, you know, as you're saying, those are oral medications that
you take that dissipate and get absorbed into your system.
You're modifying the chemical balance of your brain and your bloodstream by
utilizing whatever all these different things are.

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Which potentially is going to modify the way your synapses work in your brain
for things being delayed or not.
Or maybe potentially changing the way things are being perceived also.
Which, you know, you said things are being induced by taking certain medications.

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I mean, there you go. I mean, you just touched base previously the electrodes,
which is modifying electrical impulses in the brain, but now you just touched
base on taking medication, which is also modifying things chemically,
which can also induce this.
So you just stated two different methodologies to induce deja vu.

(01:12:33):
Now now i can now see that they now i
use the word they they did actually i think
they did they did actually use the word induced now if they would have come
out and said it enhanced your deja vu experience i could look at that maybe
a little bit differently but when i mean when you do something to me okay induced

(01:12:55):
i don't know the true term of induced but it's basically forcing Well,
no, no, no, but that's what it is though. You're making it happen.
You're, you're taking something and making an event out of it to where you are initiating.
So you already had it. You already had it right for your explanation.
Right. So now if you would have said, Hey, that these, these pharmaceuticals.

(01:13:22):
Stuff that you were giving people to help with the flu or
whatever it enhanced their deja
vu now that's a whole that's a whole nother ballgame if it enhanced it no it
did basically well it's see they use the word induced so it so did the drug
induce it or did it enhance it because to me that's two different things like
oh no it is two different things it's the red pill and the

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blue pill literally it's it's a
matrix reference for uh for any way they didn't know but but what i'm saying
though is is that you know as as dalton saying when it comes to enhancing it
or inducing it one on one hand is just making it happen versus the other which is increasing.

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The overall experience or
factors of what is exhibiting to
feel something and cranking it
up the key word the key word is fact
so you know it's it's
that's what i'm saying though is like okay if you're inducing it
to me that's fake like you're forcing something to

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come about but if you're enhancing it then that's
a real experience you're just like you're like enhancing it to come about like
like it's there it's there you're just bringing it out well another word for
it but to me like is is creating or generating you are taking a scenario and forcing it like he said.

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When you enhance it though, you're just already taking something that's there
and you're just making it, you know, you're making it stronger.
So, so, so when they say induced,
I can't really personally, this is again, my personal opinion,
like always, but I can't follow anything that's induced because it's like,

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you're inducing it, you're causing it to happen.
So now you're You're causing it to happen, but you're not wording it properly.
If you're saying like this person is having a legit deja vu experience,
I can't see that if you induced it because that's drug related.
That's, you know, your mind could be all over the place with that.

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Now, if you're given something and it enhanced your deja vu almost to where you're spot on to to it.
You know what I'm saying? That's different to me. That's just it's just a different.
Different so yeah right elevation but you got to remember these are case studies.
And we're looking at all the different modalities or

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ways of said you know
event which is well the farmers to make it
happen well the pharmaceutical part seems
like to me like it's something they stumbled across like they
were prescribing these certain prescriptions to
these people to get over the flu or whatever and these people
were reporting they were having a bunch of deja

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vu instances while they were
on these drugs well for instance to kind
of jump on this for a similarity fact completely
different subject out-of-body experiences or astral projection over the henry
monroe institute over in virginia they were able to induce astral projecting

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out-of-body experiences by utilizing frequencies of sound,
by different levels of arousal, by sleep deprivation,
by hypnosis.
And a few other ways.
But what I'm getting at is it comes down to different manipulation of sensory

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factors to try to make something happen.
And I am an astral projector myself.
Okay, and you have the original footprint of something happening,
okay, for instance, astral projecting, or it being deja vu.

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Happening on its own accord, out of its own free will within your physical body for whatever reason,
but then you have everybody that wants to come poking around and utilize all
these other different methodologies to see if they can induce the same thing again.
Of course. And then you can fall back like when they created a ghost,

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right? Same kind of concept.
Exactly. Well, exactly. But that's my whole point is you have the scientific aspect of it.
You have the medical aspect of it. You have the psychology aspect of it.
You have the physiological aspect of it.
You have all these other ways to say, here's how and why. Now,

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if you remember at the very beginning of my podcast and yours,
when we started this podcast. Yeah, I was going to say ours.
Yes, Doc. Don't worry, folks. This second voice you've been hearing is fake.
It's all induced. It's nothing.

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Actually, I think your microphone enhances it. It does.
But the whole point is, if you remember and recollect,
I stated our confinements and understandings of any subject is going to be based
around all the different modalities and genres of medical, psychological,

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physiological, science.
Science, you know, whatever the status quo is in today's said time of what is proper or not.
What it boils down to is that's how it's going to be and then
you have the scenario you know of well maybe
not the naysayers right and

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you know how they create so you know you know it's it's like your car all right
you're you're driving down the road your your light comes on so you take it
to the dealer the light goes out okay that was a that's a natural phenomenon right It happened.
Something misread in your computer, put your engine light on,

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you get to the dealer, the engine light goes out. So what do they got to do?
They got to recreate that.
They got to try to recreate whatever you felt or what you thought was going
on to get that engine light to come back on. So I dig it.
You can with some people, some of the stronger, say, Astro Projectors or whatever,

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but we're dealing with deja vu.
We don't want to get lost in the astral projector world. That's a whole nother subject.
But let's say somebody has deja vu.
Well, they're not going to walk right into a scientist and go,
yeah, let me recreate that deja vu for you.
I can tell you about it, but I can't recreate it.
So they got to induce it. I dig what they're doing.

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They're trying to they're trying to reactivate what happened and do that.
That's how they do their studies. I get it.
But I just I feel like that when you induce deja vu.
Now, you remember, I'm going to I'm going to hit on another movie here for you.
Insidious. You ever seen that? Oh, yeah.

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OK, so hypnosis is probably one of the best ways to get somebody to astral project.
And that's what they they did in that movie was they put him under hypnosis. Yep.
And that's also another methodology they utilized in their case studies at the Monroe Institute.
Of course. And they've done hypnosis on deja vu.

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So, because what it does, it basically...
I mean, if you want to look at the, okay, my term, it basically shuts the brain
down to where you're not thinking.
You're thinking, but you're not. You know what I'm saying? And so,
anyway, it just relaxes the body, shuts the body down to where certain things

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can happen by being told, actually.
But anyway, so my last thing I want to get on is what's called a split perception explanation.
So this is when a person experienced the current sensory, they pretty much experienced

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the experience twice, successively.
So the first input experience is brief, degraded, and distracted, basically.
Immediately following that, the second perception might be familiar because
the person naturally related it to the first input, which I kind of already said before.

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But one possibility behind this mechanism is that the first input experience
involves shallow processing,
which means that only some superficial physical attributes are extracted from that actual stimulus,
if you can understand that.

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That so it's it's basically
putting like uh your first your first
input was very brief and i guess see see this
when when you when you start when you start reading all these different terms
split perception or pharacology or whatever i think they're almost all saying

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the same thing just in different words like different because to me this is
the kind of same thing we just talked about on how,
you know, you're going down the road, you got a brief, you got a brief memory
of what you saw before, but.
You're kind of distracted with what you're seeing now as a
second perception i guess i

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don't i don't know it's kind of hard for me to i'm still like i'm still diving
into this stuff because it because it's a lot of medical so basically it's a
lot of what you're saying ultimately dalton is you have your overall perception
of what's going on in that moment but then you have your different faculties Your eyes,
your ears of what you're perceiving or sensories that are happening and it may

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askew ultimately what is going on.
So then you have a secondary input per se, and you also have what's going on
in your mind at that moment of your thought process and everything else.
All of those at the same exact time are going to create said memory.

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So then you got your subconscious brain also, which is at play.
So I think that's ultimately where you're going at between your primary and
your secondary focus of the input or stimuli.
I'm sure I'm going to be getting tons of emails now, everybody picking this apart and shredding me.

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By all means, please feel free, info at theoryparanormal.com.
Let me know where I'm wrong. I'm just trying to pick up what Mr.
Dalton here is putting down.
Yeah, so it's – well, the first input, let's say the first – because you got
– like I said, it's crazy.
We got two sides of the brain, so –.

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First input, whatever you first might be like brief. And then your second input
is trying to pick up and take off for the first input, I guess,
brought in, but it was brief. So you're, you're basically.
Well, you got your short term. I got your long-term memory.
So that could also be right. Well, you're describing right there because your

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short term is encoded for short term for so long until something else happens.
And that gets blotted out by new short term. but your long term has to hold
on to the baggage of your short term and encode it and put it in your brain
for good so that might be where the handshake is also that you're talking about,
well why don't they just say that instead of going like you're brief you're

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first because you know who's on first you know it's medical jargon it's never
made to be a nice light read so,
but you know they have it It basically boils down to some unrecalled memory,

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and then recalled memory of what you're seeing at the moment.
But I guess my whole thing is, I mean, the more we talk about different things
like reincarnation and soulmates and then you get into Deja Vu.

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It seems like that all just plays into the same ballpark.
Is the reincarnation part the reason why you have deja vu on most parts?
I think ultimately it just comes down to, like I said in the beginning of the
podcast, you got all the different ways to explain something out.

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But you can kind of call me old-fashioned, but I think there's a big...
I don't want to say paranormal but there's a big metaphysical aspect
to it that people never understand and it's
just it is what it is I think it has to do with energy I think it has
to do with time and place I think it has to do with memory and you know that's

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just that's just me I mean sure you can go all the different modalities in different
ways and explain it all out and do white papers and big journals and books and
you know some symposiums and seminars and explain it all,
but i like to subscribe to the fun way of saying yeah there's something there
there's something interesting that you can't just put a finger on well and i

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mean the only thing and the one thing so first i'm going to touch on this that
scientists i mean i don't think doctors have mastered,
the brain completely like there's still mysteries of the
brain that they're still trying to figure out oh there's tons tons
right and it's an internet like i said it's just it's like it's it's part of

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the energy source now the other thing that you know the other thing that i'm
not going to really get into at this time but i'm gonna you know how can i i'm
gonna try to figure out how I'm going to word this,
but with the familiarity and the occurrences.

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And it's random, I mean, I had a way that I was tying this into not only paranormal, but...
Been abducted so i know we're
about to end this podcast here i just
want to leave the note of are you seriously gonna

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just tell me it's aliens out of every explanation you're gonna leave it on it's
aliens no i'm gonna leave i'm gonna leave the i'm gonna you're gonna bring up
lay lines next and say it's the lay lines in the earth well it could be the
lay lines but anyway you know Let's say,

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Because we haven't even touched I kind of Held off touching base On people that
have been abducted By aliens.
You know when you get into Stuff like that so I'm gonna leave A thought process
of How about You know if folks feel like they want to Do it go Go research,

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Alien abductions and Deja vu and let me just leave it with deja vu and an alien
phenomenon how's that okay there you go,
i hear you well i'm not
saying that it is an alien phenomenon like i'm not
saying that deja vu is an alien phenomenon i'm just saying but you're saying

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there may be a tie-in to deja vu and there might be people have personally experienced
or shared stories or the theories about that happening and Deja Vu being a part of the scenario.
Gotcha. I'm there. I understand.
Right, because look, man, you can go into the paranormal and then you go into

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psychic abilities with Deja Vu.
So it's two different things, alien phenomena and psychic abilities.
I'm going to leave you with that.
Got you almost two
hours of talking and we're leaving everybody with alien phenomena

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and deja vu and psychic abilities
and psychic ability is psychic abilities
of deja vu you got me on this episode i did
not see this one coming to
be the culmination of this podcast well you
know when you do a lot of research like we do i just
i just i just want to say sometimes your thoughts are

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really air quotes out there i mean this is like really beyond the hemisphere
and the ionosphere and the sphere of the earth and i mean hence ufos no but
i i know i understand what you're saying though about the correlation with the
deja vu and people having memory issues and lots of stuff and
all that well you know if i'm going to put if i'm going to put deja vu with

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reincarnation why not now now my i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna let me just let
me lay it out a little better so So when I talk about alien abductions and deja vu,
I mean, that's like a story in itself.
But I will leave you with the psychic abilities and deja vu.
Are they the same? Is it part of having psychic abilities part of a deja vu?

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Or is deja vu part of psychic abilities? I mean, I'll just leave you with that. Hmm.
Interesting. Interesting. But it goes along with alien, you know,
phenomena as well with psychic abilities,
aliens, abductions, people coming back, knowing things that they,

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you know, you know what I'm saying?
Like, like it's like was before their time, but they know it now or,
you know, think about that stuff. Hmm.
See this one coming for the this cliffhanger but well you're welcome.
No no but i understand what you're saying because ultimately for a lot of if

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you lot if you watch testimonials or tv shows or different things they always
exhibit the same thing and it's about memory problems loss of memory loss of
consciousness having trouble remembering bring bits and pieces,
but all that also ties in to the brain,
the way the brain works and coding of long or short-term memory and different

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things. So there's your tie in there.
So with that being said, this concludes TheraParanormals season two podcast
slash episode number seven on Deja Vu.
If you have any questions or thoughts or anything that you want to express to

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with the more investigations that we got coming

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up you know we'll be posting evidence and then and i keep saying it we're still
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for the i was gonna say It's not any time soon, but it is for the future.
Might even be into the next year before we get that accomplished,

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