June 18, 2024 • 64 mins
Welcome to Theory Paranormal with Pax and Dalton! In Season Two, Episode Five, we dive into a whirlwind of thoughts on paranormal theories, recent brainwaves, and the latest tech we use in our investigations. Expect a mix of familiar and fresh content that might surprise you, make you laugh, or even teach you something new. So buckle up and join us on this thrilling ride!
We kick things off with a casual chat about Dalton's travels across the United States and how urban legends and paranormal hotspots pique his curiosity near famous haunted sites like Sloss Furnace and Waverly Hills when he is in the area.
Our discussion then shifts to the fascinating world of paranormal investigation technology. From the innovative SLS camera to the versatile spirit box, we delve into how these gadgets help us capture evidence of the unknown. We also touch on the history and evolution of these tools, mentioning pioneers like Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla, who dabbled in the paranormal.
Dalton introduces the urban legend of Polybius, an arcade game from 1981 that allegedly caused intense psychoactive effects and was part of a potential government experiment that became an urban legend. This eerie tale serves as a segue into our conversation about how technology can influence human perception and behavior.
In our wrap-up, Pax and Dalton share their favorite pieces of paranormal equipment, from ghost boxes to digital recorders, and discuss how each tool aids in their investigations. We also leave you with a thought-provoking question: Could the mysterious Dogmen sightings be related to the Native American legend of Skinwalkers?
As always, if you have any questions, thoughts, or evidence to share, feel free to reach out to us at info@theoryparanormal.com. Remember, in the world of Theory Paranormal, Don't be afraid to ask questions!
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Theory Paranormal. Welcome to Theory Paranormal. This is Pax with my compadre Dalton.
We are on season two, episode five, and today we're gonna be talking about various
thoughts of Theory Paranormal and the latest and greatest of what's been on our brain lately.
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So you might hear a few things you've heard before and you might hear a few
things that are brand new.
Either way, I'm sure you're gonna have a great time listening to us
get ready to learn something maybe hear
something surprise you something even maybe to make you laugh
so welcome buckle up
and enjoy so senor dalton
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what is going on my friend well
you know just trying to make a living out here but uh yeah just
kind of do a free-for-all tonight a little little whatever
comes to mind and well everything we
do ain't really rehearsed or nothing but you know no not
at all whatever whatever pops up in
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our head this time go for it there you
go so you know with with you saying that actually something i've always kind
of pondered but i never thrown at you but because you have the privilege as
i call it to travel You travel all around the wonderful United States of A or America.
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With each place you go to, do you ever see that wonderful sign that says welcome
to whichever state you're entering in?
And sometimes you start thinking about all the different urban legends or paranormal
events that maybe that place or that state is notarized for.
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Or if you're passing through an actual town, village, or city of where there's
something famous there that you've seen on TV.
Do you ever sit there and go, you know, just maybe this might be the day I have
time to stop and see what's going on?
Well to be honest well you know i'm too busy you know working and you know kind
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of you know pay attention to what's going on around me with cars and stuff you
know being that i drive a truck so but i have been you know i've made some deliveries
by sloss furnace and then.
You know or waverly hills and when i'm near those places it's probably after
you know i check in and back up to a door or something that you know i realize
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you know oh heck you know i'm right around the corner from sloss furnace or
i'm right up the road from waverly hills that's,
that's pretty much the only time it really like hits me other than that honestly
i don't really think about when I rolled through the states,
you know, what, what an urban legend in that state was or anything of that nature.
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I'm just too busy operating a rig. So I don't really think about it.
Yeah, I definitely get that though. I mean, that's, that, that's your,
your main MO of what you got to do.
So, and I know from doing things in my history with, with, uh,
big vehicles per se, that it requires a hundred percent focus,
dedication, and attention.
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And when you get that much weight going around, you're not going to have that
much time to really get lost in thoughts.
You're too concerned about what's going on around you, what's coming up ahead
of you, and what's behind you.
So, but yeah, I always. We get lost in thoughts and stuff, but not kind of the
thoughts, you know, we really want to get lost into.
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It's usually, well, what bill am I going to pay this week?
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Trust me. You know, I don't have any fun time.
I don't have to drive, and I still get lost in that thought, man.
Well, I think everybody does today. I think that's just the norm today.
Yeah, yeah. You know, one of the things I was always thinking about that I always find interesting.
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Is sometimes, if and when it hits me and I decide to watch any type of show
that's on TV or one of the many apps now as you can have on your TV or cable or wherever.
And it's going to be a...
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That's a variety show about mysteries or oddities or maybe themed about urban
legends or maybe about the paranormal or experiences or ghosts or things like that.
It's always interesting to see what is conveyed or said.
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But then the other aspect is
what technology is used or what things maybe that aren't technology-based that
are innate objects that don't have any processors in it or any silicone or any
type of computer chip or electronic aspect of it.
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It's just a generic run-of-the-mill something simple like a ball.
And what I'm getting at is with how
we are in society now as you
know everything is wrapped around technology
even the smallest little detail it's somehow infused
with something and I think
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it would be more interesting to see a high tech show that utilized technology
to really hone in on maybe doing an investigation or exploring a part of the paranormal process,
that other shows just don't do.
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I mean, I get it's about entertainment.
It's about a hook trying to get people's attention and all that. I fully get it.
But it's always the same type of stuff you see.
Now there have been some shows that
have utilized a lot of technology as the seasons progressed
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to try to yield different answers and stuff which
was pretty cool one particular show i'm thinking
of but unless you got deep deep pockets
a lot of this tech is off the shelves for you know
average america just because it's specialized so i i personally would like to
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see a show that just is able to maybe repurpose things that people never thought
about introducing to the paranormal world to see what works,
how it could be utilized.
I mean, I'm not going to say every piece of technology is going to work.
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But for instance, back in the day, I mean, when I was a kid,
and a lot of people use use this.
There was this little box that you could take these plastic pieces in and plug
it in the holes and then you'd flip it on and make a design and it would light up.
You know. There you go.
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You know, something simple like that.
But I actually think that somebody does use the light bright.
I think I've seen them use it once. There you go. In a show.
But when you talk about technology, man, there's been a couple of shows that,
you know, that we watched that ain't around no more.
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That, you know, used to use different types of medical equipment and machines
to read your aura or, you know, do whatever.
But, you know, you look at us like it may stringer house, man,
if I could afford to bring sonar out there, you know, ground sonar and just
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scan the property to see if we can really find, you know, Morena and the kid buried out there.
That's what you're going to need to do. And I just, you know,
like you said, there's there's some stuff that's not in the book for us,
you know, or anybody else.
Else now the shows they can get stuff like that because a lot of times it's
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it's somebody donating their time doing it for free to get their name out there
because they're going to be on tv.
It's it's not all the time that the tv show is paying for that but,
it's it's a shame that you know some of them shows tried
go that direction and those shows for some reason didn't
make it and now you just got the shows where
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you know it's the same stuff up video camera
flashlight k2 you know
oh look the k2 lit up oh look the flashlight lit
up you know oh we got this shadow figure
running across the hallway here it it is
the same basis and it
would be cool to have a show now there was
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there was a group i mean there was a group that came out
with the sls camera yep which is
basically an xbox tied to a tablet yep and it does actually sort of work i mean
i've i'm still on the fence about it but i i think it does work it it still
does right so and then there was another show they created a fair day box,
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You know, basically trying to catch a spirit in the box. Now,
can you explain what a Faraday box is? Not really.
A Faraday box is nothing more than just a metallic type entrapment device that's
able to keep things cordoned off from the rest of the environment.
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So if you just imagine walking into a room with a door and that's it,
that's pretty much how it is.
Once something gets in it can't get
out unless it's uh down the correct way and that's
where people will use put their cell phones in them
and different things they don't want to be affected by the
electromagnetic principles or different energies if you're into metaphysical
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stuff or things of that nature to keep things like even uh you might even heard
of a emp blast well they'll build specific things that will protect all the
electronics inside and shield it from an EMP blast,
which I can attest to on certain things that I've done in my life and career or careers.
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So that's how those work. I do.
Right. And I kind of figured that it's just a trap because, you know,
spirits and entities are a form of energy.
So they're trying to trap this energy in this box.
I do know that, you know, that the Faraday cages are named after the scientist
Michael Faraday. I believe it was constructed back in, what was it,
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1835 or 1836 or something.
Where was Tesla? That's all I got to say. Where was Nikola Tesla?
Well, yeah, well, if you get Tesla to make one today, we might catch something. I don't know.
Yep. But, you know, it's an electrical field that causes electrical charges within the cage,
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cage conducting material to be distributed in a way that cancels out the field's
effect inside the cage, basically.
But, yeah, it's kind of a phenomenon that can be used to protect sensitive electronic equipment.
But anyway, the thing is, this group, they supposedly built a Faraday cage and,
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you know, episode after episode tried to catch a spirit intrepid in this Faraday cage.
But I think they all I think unless it was the hook, but they might have came
close and then somehow it got out. So if it got out, then obviously they didn't build a cage, right?
But I don't think they ever truly caught anything in, in the actual Faraday cage itself.
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But it, you know, to me, and I was, I was one of the people I would watch the
show because that's what, you know, they were trying to do.
And I was actually watching it to say, Hey, you know, are they actually going to catch a ghost?
Which they never did. So after a while, I got tired of watching them do the
same thing all the time. And then I just stopped watching the show.
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So, yeah, again, the hook for them was the Faraday cage.
Now, on the other hand, the SLS camera, that was just some random gear that
on the show, they have a guy that builds equipment and he put that together
and they just use it on the show.
But like the other one trying to catch a spirit and they've done everything like they thought maybe.
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The spirit was inside an object and they quickly put the object in the Faraday
cage and then they took it back to their home base and then they you know had
you know K2 hooked to it and a digital recorder and something else to see if they could actually,
while they're seeing if the entity was trapped If it was giving off,
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you know, any kind of EMF or if it was saying anything inside the cage.
So they had the digital recorder going, you know, it's a big hook.
It was a big hook and it, it hooked me because I wanted to sit there and actually
see if they were able to catch one.
And, and back of my mind kept telling me they're not going to catch anything,
but to watch it was, you know, for a while, it was kind of cool to watch,
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but you know, if we actually had a box that worked. might be different.
So you were talking about the SLS camera just to chime in there that stands for.
Structure light sensor. Now, the easiest way to explain it to anybody that's
never heard that before is it's basically a camera that can look at anything in the environment.
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And I want you to think of a stick figure. If you were to draw a stick figure,
two arms, you know, the body, the hands, and a little face.
That's basically what an SLS camera does. It uses mapping software,
algorithms, math, all that stuff that make me fall asleep.
And it puts together an
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imagery so if you're recording
something or having it just pointed at
a direction and it is able to pick up a form it will then show on the screen
a stick figure or a semblance of something that it's able to detect and then
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us being humans can go oh look look,
that black mist isn't a black mist.
It's a stick figure, metaphorically speaking, of course, through the SOS system.
So that's how that works. Yeah, just imagine, like, see, the guy put a 360 Kinect on it.
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And so when you used to play Xbox with the 360 or even, well,
the Kinect One or whatever.
That camera picked up basically your your
figure self so your movement you
know would control the game basically yep so so he kind of it was kind of a
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brilliant idea i guess you know to to come up with something like that and then
figure well if they if they connect the xbox connect can pick
up your figure and entities are pretty much an energy.
Then how about we hook this up to a tablet and create some kind of software
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and then it picks up the, the, the ghostly figures, but yes,
they look like stick figures dancing around.
Yeah. And that's just, that's just the way it's programmed is a stick figure.
I mean, they could have programmed any imagery that they wanted and it would
show a smiley face if it picked up a big enough mass.
But yeah, I think technology-wise, that type of technology, there has been things
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that have already existed that predate that.
But on a commercial level for entertainment, that was innovative and brand new
for the market back in the day.
Now, for people to jump on that and say, hey, here's a device that already is
able to capture wide area for camera and optics and all that.
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And let me go ahead and build a little special program that goes with it and,
you know, add some overlays to it.
And next thing you know, your data fields and your data points are set.
And then you actually have a program that can be utilized to help you distinguish
something that you physically can't see.
But then you can see it on the screen. Rather, it's a computer screen or it's
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a phone or even if it's just a little touchpad that you're using.
So yeah i'm definitely digging digging that
piece of equipment you know it's
well you know we went on the we went to the may stringer house and
the guy the guy there that was hanging out with us while we were investigating
you know he was at first they brought that out the the team that he was kind
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of walking around with they were at another location and they brought it out
and he was a skeptic about it he's like all right what's this thing gonna do,
and he showed me the video,
of him standing there and I think it was his wife or somebody girlfriend or
whatever they were holding it in their hand and he's like oh lord you know look there's something.
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Right in front of you and he's looking and he's like well I don't see anything
and she goes no it's right there so he was doing things and the thing was mimicking
and finally he just goes you know give me a high five and he held his hand up
and the thing high fived him.
And he didn't do it like once. He did it like three or four times,
and the thing kept high-fiving him every time he asked, like high-five me again.
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And it – like the arm was on its side, and then all of a sudden it raised its
arm, and you see where it smacked his hand in the camera.
So it's one of the few SSSs that kind of make me believe the thing does work.
Yeah, I mean I can definitely see that.
It's it's interesting because you can
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use a piece of technology for your whole life and serve one function or purpose
and then that one day you have that aha moment where you just look at it and
then you're like i could use it for this and it doesn't have to be paranormal
related it could be for something else and it could be like such an epiphany
and you're like oh my gosh gosh,
why didn't I think of this earlier?
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This is like making this other process so much more easier, enjoyable,
simpler, or it takes away time, it reduces time for something that you were doing.
And sometimes I'll do that. I'll look around the house.
It's kind of a game I'll play, and I'll be like, can I use that in an investigation?
Can I really apply this trying
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to assist resist if if
i was to do you know private investigation somewhere
for an effect to give me
some sort of outcome that might act as a trigger object or act in a way to where
it's fruitful to where i can say hey i was actually able to use this and it's
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a game that doesn't yield a lot of great answers unfortunately you think you
have a good idea it's like it's like
hey i just found the idea you know that'd be a great invention you go run into
your friend you're like hey guess what i found out you know guess what i guess
what i came up with and you're all excited and then you they look at you and
they're just shaking their head like no it's already there man it's already
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been invented you're like oh okay and you walk away just like,
i gotta do better but well that's the thing there's so many things out there
you don't know what's been tried or i mean these shows they show stuff but they
don't show all the stuff that But they've tried now.
And I mean, it's like it's like, OK, you know, it's it's I don't know, man.
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I just like I see something. I'm the same way, even in a store,
you know, I'll see something and I'll be like, oh, I mean, we can use that,
you know, like that, like that little ball I use where you bounce it on the floor and it lights up.
You know, when it hits, when it, when it impacts the floor, it lights up.
So I still have it and I still try to use it because I figure if I can set it
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in the floor, because it has, let's say what, four, four or five,
six lights inside it and they're in different positions.
So if you can get them to energize one of those lights and let's say they energize
the light on top and you're like, okay, can you energize the light on the side?
You know, That's what I always thought I could use it for is that if they can
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energize the individual lights inside that little ball.
Of course, it's never worked. I think it lit up one time.
I think a little kid grabbed it or something, and half the lights came on.
And then when I asked, hey, can you make one of those lights come on instead of the half of that ball?
And nothing ever happened after that. But I still got it. I still try it.
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I still use it. But, I mean, look how long it took to get a beach ball to roll over. You know?
Yeah. Like – I definitely – You've got to keep – I get what you're saying.
We're there with that, you know. And it's just –.
It's almost laughable sometimes because the things that you realize work aren't
anything that's super expensive.
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It's just things that you would never think to put in play in an investigation.
I mean, me and Dalton, we always have different things that most people would
not use in an investigation to see if it yields results.
And that's just how we go. I mean, we do have some things that people use that are used to.
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There are things that I'll make that people don't have that we'll use to see how things go.
That's just due to my inquisitive curiosity background that I have of having
the aptitude of being able to do things sometimes like that with making things.
But, you know, I think I'm a big believer if you utilize the same concepts and
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methods over and over and over, you're only going to be stuck getting those same type of results.
So, from an investigator slash paranormal researcher person,
I like to try to mix it up from here to there and see what happens,
see what things I can introduce to the environment.
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Well, I wouldn't even say mix it up. I would say for me, and I'm pretty sure
if I clear this up, you'll agree with it, but it's mainly,
you know, we try to do new things and more technical things basically to get a clearer answer.
Answer so if we if
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we keep using the k2 meter i mean k2 meter is what it is k2 meter it does light
up right but not all the time can you get a clear answer out of that you use
say a rim pod or something like that you might not get a clear answer if something
just keeps walking through it.
So to me i'm trying to find something that gives me a clear answer you know
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like the flashlight pretty much almost gives us, I'd say, about a 70% clear answer.
Now, if you can find that one object that they can manipulate to give you just
a definite answer right away, then that changes the game.
So I'm just saying a lot of stuff that we try, it ain't because,
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to me, I mean, anyway, it ain't really because...
You know, we're going to do the
same. It's something different and it's something for people to look at.
No, you pretty much said it. If you keep using the same stuff,
you're going to end up with the same results, which is questionable.
If you have something that's new or something you brought out to give that definite
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yes, no answer or whatever, it's kind of like the guy that created the spirit box, man.
He probably started out. They started out with the boxes that make the static
and skip the channels. And then he finally made one that eliminates that background
noise to where you just hear them talking.
And that's a definite, that's a definite response.
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It's not something you're trying to pick out over white noise.
You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. Yeah, the spirit boxes back in the day,
there was an individual by the name of Frank.
He ended up actually kind of coined the box within the paranormal world.
And then there ended up being another individual by the name of Steve.
He ended up coming along and making some.
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And he made some boxes. And then over time, they kind of just took off and did their own thing.
There was a individual back
in the late 60s early 70s actually
made a box but this was
like a bona fide scientist like at
a university that made one and got
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a lot of communication through it a lot got a lot of messages passed relayed
to them and from my at least educational purposes When I used to do a lot of
research into EVPs or ITCs, communications,
and so forth, that's kind of where it all started of it coming out and being
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first real instances of documentation for utilizing a box that can do different
things that can yield some sort of answers back,
which I thought was pretty cool.
As well you can you can take that all the way back to i mean we mentioned it before so yeah they they,
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they they created spirit boxes off
of other people and what
i'm saying is like you know you know back in the early 1900s thomas edison he
was trying to create a spirit phone which is like a spirit box and the funny
thing is is that he took his idea to he took his idea actually from,
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nicola tesla and i guess the two and the two back the two of them back then
they were in competition on who can you know create one first i think or something
the way the story is you can look it up but so basically you can say like the
spirit box or the spirit phone.
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Started in the early 1900s with Edison and Tesla.
And then these guys, as time progressed, I think it went to the wayside,
and then these guys picked it back up and created these spirit boxes.
Yeah, yeah, without a doubt. I mean, it comes down to what's there for technology
and what's there feasibly for the common person, or rather they're scientifically educated.
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Or if it's just an average person that just enjoys the paranormal stuff.
I mean, you think about it, those two individuals back in the day were the cream of the crop.
They were at the top of their game. They understood things and were educated
and versed and had conversations that make most people go, what,
okay, that sounds crazy. Have a good day.
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But that was normal for them. And through the evolution of technology and time,
things that they're trying to do now,
people that aren't at that level can utilize or do between the spirit box and
computer boards and all those other things. It's more mainstream information.
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It's not finite and select, where if you're not at a certain level of academia,
then you're not going to be able to understand it.
It's not like that. That's one thing I love about humans in general.
When somebody wants to apply themselves, they're very smart,
and they can do boundless things. The potential is always there.
Well, just think about it, dude. I mean, you're talking about,
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like you said, two of the most brilliant scientists around,
and they were trying to get in touch with basically the other side, the paranormal side.
I mean, just think about that for a second. It's almost kind of mind-blowing.
Basically, that even even in I think Tesla had a quote a while back.
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I think it was like 1901, actually.
And it was something about the his first observations basically terrified him,
you know, trying to deal with the paranormal.
And because he was basically there was something mysterious about it, I guess he was saying.
And then the supernatural said he was all alone in a laboratory one night.
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I remember that and that and that the idea of these disturbances being intelligently
controlled signal did not yet really present itself to him.
So basically, I guess he was communicating with the other side.
I guess he didn't really know it just yet, but it was kind of frightening to
know that things were responding.
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So he came up with the idea of inventing a device to speak with the dead.
And then Edison, of course, picked up on it and tried to create one as well.
But I mean, you think I think I think even Benjamin Franklin played with the paranormal as well.
So you think you think of back then in 1900s?
I mean, if you came out, if you came out then and said, yeah,
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I'm trying to create a spirit phone to contact the dead, your career is over.
Well it's already it's already been proven that.
Telephone itself was something that was in the late 1800s. It's already been
proven. The tech was already there.
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There has been conceptual designs in certain places of the world.
And people know about cellular technology.
I say this with a grain of salt. But cellular technology was a potential back
when Tesla was doing stuff.
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He was, I might be wrong on this, but if my brain serves me right,
he was looking at utilizing electricity to power cities in different places.
And also doing it in a shape and way to where it was going to be location-based or geolocated-based.
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To where things would light up and they didn't necessarily have to have an electrical
cord for the way he was looking at trying to do stuff.
And I find it fascinating that you mentioned those three individuals.
Those were the three biggest players back in the day for ushering in modern
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society with some of the things that we have right now to this day.
So do you think like so do you
think with them trying to create a spirit phone accidentally created
the phone you know we're
trying to talk to the dead but yeah man talking to
the dead doing their thing well you know what i'm saying though is like you
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know he's calling up he's talking to the he's like oh i'm gonna use the phone
call up and talk to the dead and he's like oh wait a minute what if i called
my buddy and can talk to him through this phone and then And it created what we know now as the phone,
something that crazy.
Yeah. So, you know, it's just, you know, just just like I said,
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just to know that these guys were dabbling with the paranormal,
like you, you only were taught what you were supposed to be taught about these people.
And then when you do research on them, you're like, oh, wait a minute.
They were dabbling with the paranormal. So I always thought it was cool when
you go back in late 1800s, early 1900s, and find out some of the greatest inventors
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were even playing around with the paranormal.
Normal yeah well and that's where
the whole spiritualism era
kicked off was late late 1900s before
the early 20th century was that which i
thought was kind of cool because that's what ushered in everybody
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wanting to understand about seances and understanding
about contacting the the other side and all
the different things that involved but unfortunately you know
i'm just throwing a rough number out there but like 95
of it was all scams just people
trying to make a fast well of course making a fast buck you know
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of course but but then you had then you had
the real ones because i mean you could take it back further
than that i mean witchcraft seances is
all that stuff happened way long time ago and then you got the sailing you know
the Salem witch hunt which a lot of them people probably hung a lot of innocent
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women thinking they were witches just because something weird was going on or
maybe something they said was weird or something they thought was weird but.
It's crazy to think that even, even like in new Orleans, I mean,
I forget what their craft is called, you know, the voodoo stuff and stuff like
that, but they also have a Creole name for it.
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But that's what's going on for centuries.
Yeah. Centuries. Yeah. Centuries. I think that there is a, it's a religion.
Mexican. Ain't it? No. Yeah.
So, but you know, like I think Santa is Mexican or wherever,
but it's, it's, But think about how long it's been going.
Like if you go and do research on each individual, I don't want to call it paranormal
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thing, but, you know, just the seance, the and then some of those,
like you said, were an actual religion.
I don't really want to get on the religion base, but some of them were actually a religious deal.
Like if you want to just say a cult type deal, you know, it's if you go way
back, man, it's it's it's been going on for a long time.
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It's just people back then didn't want to come out and say, hey,
I'm a psychic or I'm a medium and I can tell the future or I can speak with
the dead because they'd string you up.
They'd just put you on a rope and be like, you're done.
Just as a quick tidbit real quick before we get too far off.
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Santeria is a faith base that blends with African things, with divine beings and Catholic saints.
So that's where that came from what's the Mexican one the Spanish.
I can't think of the name of it but the Spanish had one I think sounds close to that Santeria,
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too sure. It'll come to me. I've got to think about it for a minute.
Yeah, it's... Well, they've got one that's called Brugeria or something.
It's B-R-U-J-E-R-I-A.
And, again, what you said, it's Latin American, but it's a complex blend of
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indigenous, African, and European influences.
So, that's So maybe the Santeria and all that is all combined because they're
both taking it from the same influences, right?
African and European influences and whatever else is mixed in there. Right.
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Yeah. I mean, it's also Santeria can be translated to the way of the saints.
So. Right. Exactly. So.
Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, so you look at, you know,
that kind of stuff's been going on forever.
Ever but yeah and you know with
it going on forever and fortunately in every single place in
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history if someone doesn't agree with something then things happen
unfortunately that aren't positive and people
have to deal with the repercussions you know it's it's
interesting you know we have all
this technology to help assist us in the
paranormal world and the the electronic world of whatever
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may be there or scientific stuff but you
know you're touching base on things where people
could not properly convey things because
they just didn't understand or know at least
at our level we have a little bit more of detail that we can utilize with technology
to say hey i saw this orb or i saw this shape or i heard this or i felt this
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it's on film versus everything else that predates the 20th century of technology.
Well, think about it this way, though. Think about it this way, though.
I'm going to put you right there, because you kind of said something there,
but it really wasn't about the technology, whether it was then or now.
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What it was about is what you were taught. well i fully
agree so i fully hit it right on the head so they're
right so their beliefs taught them that
any of this stuff other than what what we're practicing is is is demonized yeah
so even us growing up so even us growing up you you were taught and we mentioned
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this it's not nothing out of the loop we mentioned this in another pack and
another podcast but you were taught like Like, like,
you know, you have heaven and hell and it's biblical and it's black and white.
That's it. That's all you have.
Now, you have these people that come out that have been hidden in the scenes
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for a while that are psychics and mediums and fortune tellers and whatnot,
whatever you want to call them.
You actually have each one of them. So then you have people like us that were
born with abilities to be able to hear or see or do things.
But how dare you come out and say, this is what I believe.
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I'm not in that belief system because I know something different.
That they honestly, I'm going to say, they honestly, like any kind of real,
you know, the Vatican, per se.
The Vatican knows it exists. That's why they have licensed exorcists that do exorcisms, right?
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That's been hidden from us for a long time. And then it slowly came out that,
oh, this person is possessed.
And they had to send a licensed exorcist to go exorcise this person to force
a demon out of them. So now you have another.
And I swore I would never get out of religion. But you have another.
I need some exercise. You have another type. But it's not to get a demon out.
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It's just to get some, get some extra weight out.
Right. So the thing is, cause you eat too much food, but anyway,
it's, it's the thing. The thing is, is that now you're now, what are you doing?
If all you're seeing is these people are possessed and they're,
and they're fighting a demon.
So now you got people that go even to this very day that the paranormal has been exposed.
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And there is this other realm or multiple realms, other signs,
blah, blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera.
Still, you talk to somebody that's deep into the church, and you say you're
a paranormal investigator, what's the first thing they say? You're chasing demons.
Why? Because it was brought to their attention. That's what came out first.
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If you want to say to me, I might be mistaken, but in my recollection,
the first thing that came out for the paranormal was somebody being possessed,
and they're saying, oh, that's a demon.
And so then they say all spirits in the spiritual realm are demons and that's
what you're chasing. And it's, it's absolutely not true.
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So it's, yeah. So, I mean, that's just a rabbit hole. I can go down for a very,
very long time. I'm not going to do that.
So it's going to be right there that I'm just going to cut.
I'm going to cut that right there. Dalton is very famous for saying,
I'm not going to do this or that. that 25 minutes later on a tangent,
quick little comment, you know, but I'm not going to get into it. Oh yeah.
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By the way, let me tell you two more things about it. 45 minutes later.
So I just had to say that real quick.
Well, I mean, it's, it sparks kind of a, and it, I'm not going to say an anger, but,
It's it's it's it's just I don't I don't knock people's beliefs,
what you believe in, what you think we're telling you.
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Like I said, I really don't care. You weren't there. You didn't see what we saw.
You didn't you didn't experience what me and Pax have experienced.
I still take the criticism and be like, OK, that's fine.
I'm happy you believe that, but I'm just telling you my experiences or your
or you yourself telling them your experience.
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So hey it makes i don't know if it makes a double-edged sword sometimes i look
at it i look at it like math okay we've all had to take math if we if we went
to school at certain places.
When i explain things to people when they ask me oh what's a paranormal world
like or what do you do or this or that and i'll say things that i just see the
face and it's like uh-huh it's like the ear doesn't really register because
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they've never had that experience but i just i don't ever
found myself getting any which way i'm pretty
indifferent and tolerant but i just
look at it as it's like a math equation until someone's
been able to do it and solve it for themselves and it makes sense
then they just don't know and that's how i was once upon a time the most logical
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yeah but person yeah but like i've said go ahead well i hate i hate this headset
sometimes because Cause sometimes there's a delay, but yeah.
So my thing is though, is like, you'll get people that go, I've never.
Third time. Here we go. Go ahead and make a long story short.
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Yeah, this is a long story short. So you get people that go,
Hey, I've never had a paranormal experience. And I go, yes, you have. And they go, how's that?
And I said, well, you ever seen anything out the corner of your eye in your house moving?
And you know, your dog's laying in front of you. I've given this example before,
but, and they'll go, yeah, as a matter of fact, I have. And I said,
well, you just had a paranormal experience.
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Don't know what it is it's unexplained but something was moving so
it was a shadow figure or you know a white mist
or whatever you thought you seen out the corner of your eye at your peripheral so
that's why i always say everybody's had a paranormal experience i don't care
who you are where you come from or what you're about everybody has had a paranormal
experience of some sort so you know that's just my opinion but i'm gonna i'm
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just stating it like i see it you You know what I mean?
Because once you talk to somebody like that and they go, oh,
yeah, that has happened.
And you're like, OK, well, you've had a paranormal experience.
But five minutes ago, they were like, I've never had a paranormal experience.
I'm like, yeah, you have. You just didn't know it.
Right. You know, or the dreams that people have. You get into the dream states
and they talk about their dreams and they're walking on the ocean with their
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dad who passed away three years ago.
And it felt so real. That's the key word.
When somebody tells me they're dreaming and they go, oh, it felt so real.
And I said, well, it probably was.
Yeah that because you're an adult now you're more except your paranormal instinct
is more accepted when you're sleeping yeah yeah so but yeah man technology in
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this world in this day and age it it transforms and changes things on how we
can perceive stuff and interact and.
It's it's interesting because even though we have all these advancements as
we deal within our society just like back in the day 200 years ago 300 years
ago they had all their advancements,
you think you're at the top of the food chain but when
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it comes to the paranormal i don't think we're any closer or
better than where we were 100 000 years ago it's still unknown there's still
100 uncertainty there's no logic there's no understanding there's no revelation
and if If any of that is on the flip side and people do understand or, or there is logic to it,
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then they're keeping it to themselves because, well, look at,
look at it this way though. You know, you have the news channel.
I forget what channel was channel nine or somebody, but they came out and said,
it's either the government or somebody is now saying that they believe that aliens live among us.
They're, they're, they're, they're basically, uh.
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Saying like there's some kind of proof that they that they either walk among
us or hide among us or live among us and we just had that talk in our alien
subject you know in our alien podcast,
where i talked about them living under the water or living in the ocean that
we can't you know explore so you know we have the technology yes we have the
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technology to go find bigfoot if we want to.
I mean, they could take satellites and just scour the northwest part of the
United States up in California and Oregon and stuff and actually see if they
can find something because those satellites are capable of zooming in right
to the object to where you can clearly see what it is.
But will they do that? No, because why?
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Because you know what happens?
You'll have probably 65-70% of
this country freak out over that there really is
a Bigfoot or if they showed you a real alien on TV then you're going to freak
out which eventually I believe that's coming like that's coming because you've
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seen so many alien movies and stuff to prepare you for the fact that when you
see when they show you an actual alien,
you're just going to be like oh well we're eating dinner,
that's good news you know kind of thing you're not going to
jump up and go get all excited and be
like oh my god pack your things we got to go to the bunker you
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know it you know you understand what
i'm saying it's like we have the
technology to do today to do what we want to do they just won't do it because
it'll freak i believe it'll freak people out i mean it's still when i talk to
people about the paranormal or explain things or talk about things that i've
seen or dealt with they get a little freaked out about it they're like really dude i'm like yeah man,
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and they're like and you still do this and i'm like every day all day,
any time of the week it doesn't matter well i will be there well that's the
thing i've always said about the paranormal world especially concerning me and
you i mean decades that this has been our life and i don't want to say we're
desensitized but we're used to it.
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So it's no longer a wow or shock factor. It's kind of like, huh,
this is different or this is new or that never happened before.
And it's not to say that we don't find the paranormal world fascinating,
at least from my perspective, or not interesting.
But I think this applies to anything anybody does in life.
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When you get saturated enough by something, rather it's a job or a hobby or
something thing you do you get to a certain point to where it loses its luster and gleam a little,
and you're just like okay that happened versus being like in the very beginning
when you're like oh my god that happened you know and you take it with a grain
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i still get like that though.
Yeah like like i'm in the dark silently going
yeah that's what we came here for um i would
use i would use one word for that that that
this one word i believe this one word we
will never it will always be there because
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we will never not be that and
that's intrigued yeah that we are intrigued by this and i think that's the key
word to what why we keep doing it because you constantly are intrigued by the
new stuff that you find or the new science behind it,
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what they're giving off or what kind of EVPs, what's the hertz,
the megahertz or whatever that you're into this scope.
But you know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, wow, this is a whole other level right here.
Or if we hear somebody… There's always going to
be something new and different no matter you think you know something so
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and a new revelation comes out or new data point
or some new metric that you
never considered or thought of or realized and then
it might add that much more definition or level to what it is that you're trying
to learn about or do right so it always keeps you intrigued yeah yeah it always
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keeps you intrigued so we're talking about equipment so I'm going to go to an
urban legend real quick.
And we talked about, I've hinted on this thing before the polybeth.
So you know about the polybeth perhaps, but I'll let you unpackage and, uh, and, and explain.
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So we were talking about equipment and technology and things of that nature.
So this is supposed to be fictitious, an urban legend, but I think it kind of
happened because there was plenty of, witnesses.
This happened in Portland, Oregon.
And it was an arcade game that was built.
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And basically, it was a crowd-sourced, psychology experiment-based type arcade game.
And so the men in black, they said the men in black would come,
and basically, it was for data mining purposes.
So basically, this game— And by you saying the men in black,
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you're just referring to some organization that's out there.
Right, some government organization. And what they did was it was it was done
in 1981 and it was supposedly produced.
It supposedly produced intense psychoactive and addictive effects in the player.
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So there was like a subliminal message behind the game that when you're playing
it is entering your mind and you don't even know it.
So what it what it did was it was basically a very popular game there.
I think there was two locations and they had two different consoles,
you know, or stand ups that they had.
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And what it did was basically it created such an addiction with the player that
they would have lines out the video arcade and fights would break out on who's going to play next.
Now, the so-called men in black who collected unknown data from the machines
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allegedly was testing the responses to games psychoactive effects on the players.
And then some of these players supposedly suffered from unpleasant side effects
like seizures, amnesia, insomnia, hallucination, night terror, more one.
So they say approximately about a month after that it released in 1981.
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Basically, it was said to have disappeared without a trace.
So the company the company named in most accounts of the game is I cannot pronounce
that word and I'm not going to try.
So basically, it was it was German with a German word.
But anyway, going into some words, I'm not even going to try to hit with my southern accent.
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So basically the meanings derived from the German words senses are sense in
a and basically lotion. Hello.
I'm probably pronouncing it wrong. L.O.S.C.H.E.N. to extinguish or to delete since lotion.
So that's the German word that you're trying to think of is this is the the sense lotion.
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Well, no, it's two words. word
cini is senses so s-i-n-n-e and
then and then the the lotion or
it's got a little thing above it so it's probably being pronounced wrong but
l-o-s-c-h-e-n so the first one is senses to deal with your senses and then the
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second word deals with to extinguish or to delete so So are they trying to delete
something out of your mind? I don't know.
So it sounds like a big psychoanalyzer analyzation
test of affecting people on a psychological level and even subconsciously to
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make it to where it would block certain things about the brain and how it would
affect people. It sounds like what you're telling me.
Yeah. And then, OK, so think about that. If they were suffering from like seizures
and amnesia, then it obviously was doing something to the brain. Right.
And it was triggering these side effects.
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Right. So it's kind of like today's drugs. You take you take certain pill and
you might have a side effect.
You might be nauseated or you might, you know, be vomiting or something.
You know, there's going to be a side effect that might hit you from taking this
certain form of, you know, medication.
Right so make but this is dealing with making the body do something that it
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doesn't normally do or blocking something basically right but imagine that though is it like watching tv,
or watching some kind of movie i mean this is you're dealing with your eyesight
and your brain factor yeah your brain so what you're seeing wavelengths light
is energy wavelengths okay so So now you see where I'm going with this, right?
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So it's like your sight, what you're seeing,
and then if there's a subliminal message behind what you're seeing,
that's actually your eyesight's picking it up and feeding your brain,
but you're not even consciously knowing that it's doing that.
So via your optical nerves to your cortex of the brain, and it's reprogramming
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or changing fundamentals of the way you work.
So a better word would be to program or deprogram on a level right so this in
this case it was programming their addiction.
Making them addicted to this game where like i
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said fights were breaking out on who was going to play next maybe this
is just like an early beta test of like the video game
system that's in every household all around the world for the most part now
because all those all of all of those symptoms that you spoke of or or what
people go through if they can't play their favorite video game or get online
to play that favorite first person video game that they play well think about
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it in the pc world i mean i did it with everquest man i
mean there was times where i stayed up 72 hours straight
playing every quest 2 with my friends
you know we had we had to get those other characters boosted up to 90 level
90 and then we had you know the the high-powered monsters that were like 90
and 100 that you know we had to form a a giant crew to go kill it you And you
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never wanted to play Dungeons and Dragons with me. I see. It all makes sense.
Yeah, well, you know. Well, I'll tell you what.
It's interesting to see your segue that you were doing between technology that
we utilize in the paranormal world.
And how it affects things that we perceive, hear,
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feel, feel or sense in
general versus the polybus
arcade machine that you were talking about how it interacted with you know the
human being also obviously technology as a whole can be used for a variety of
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reasons depending on the application and likewise with the paranormal normal
world, depending on what it is,
it can be used for a variety of applications.
I'll ask you this on our ending of this particular podcast.
As far as it goes, what is your favorite piece of paranormal technology and why?
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Mine is going to be any type of device that is modified or made to where it
can receive otherly worldly communication as it's called via ghost box or whatever.
And you can actually hear voices or words from the other side,
just because that blows my mind away.
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That's my favorite. What about you, Dalton?
Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I really have a favorite. I just, my favorite thing.
I don't know. I don't, I don't think I really, I mean, the mail meter is probably
one because of the story behind it.
Say the spirit box but a lot of times if
i can get the spirit to actually manifest a voice that we hear with our own
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ears of course is is the golden goose so i don't know man i just like any i
like all types of equipment the digital recorder has a really good purpose for evp purposes,
beer box we already talked about what that does the mail meter has multiple
functions between temperature, EMF, and also has a sensor on it.
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So if they walk through it or touch it, it goes off.
You know, laser grids are great. If you got a camera set up the right way,
I mean, a laser grid, you can catch a figure walking through if you're trying
to catch shadow figures.
I do have the other deal that we have not taken to an investigation yet, but we will.
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And you know what the one that is, I'm sure. or I'm not going to mention it
on here until I actually use it. Yeah.
So you just like a little bit of everything, then.
It's not necessarily just one particular item that beholdens you or that you are all about.
No, I like what works. I mean, if the flashlight obviously works,
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I'm going to use a flashlight.
K2 is hit and miss because cell phones can affect it.
But like laser grids, you know, mail meters, spirit box, digital recorders, all that stuff.
If it winds up to work and I can pull evidence off of it, then,
of course, I'm going to like it. If it doesn't work, then I don't like it.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's just pretty cut and dry. Yeah.
Most definitely. But I don't really have a favorite. Let's just say that.
I mean, I mentioned, we've talked about this before in another podcast,
and I kind of mentioned a couple of things that might have been my favorites.
But the more I think about it, man, it's any utensil I can use to basically
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gather information, whether it be for ourselves or for a client,
if we're doing a private investigation, and it's feeding me the right kind of information.
I mean, heck, dude, the ghost radar on the phone, it's a novelty.
It's a toy, but it works, and it gives me information, and I'm not going to
say anything other than that.
So that's why I like it, and it stays on my phone. yeah yeah
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there's lots of things out there that work sometimes sometimes they
they don't do anything i think a lot of
it's situational and it is situational i
was going to say that that it's probably since because sometimes we can take
the norm and none of it's working and we take something outside the box and
it works you know it just depends on what they want to play with or what they
want to you know feed their energy through oh yeah well this concludes that well Well,
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before we conclude, I also want to mention something else.
To give everybody a thought process here. Sure.
I was going to bring up the dogman segment, which we can talk about in another podcast.
But just to throw it at you, though, as a thought process, not to get a response
or anything, but we talked about, everybody talks about the dogman.
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And there's, of course, a lot of like the top 10 sightings are basically in
the north segment like mainly wisconsin i believe and there's some in michigan
or more in michigan than maybe wisconsin but then there's also a couple in minnesota but the dogmen,
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what have we talked about in a prior podcast that deals with basically dog people,
skinwalkers skinwalkers yeah i was about to say that okay so skinwalkers they
say that And skinwalkers always turn into a dog.
So my thing that I want to leave you with, is this the actual...
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Finding or because they because
nobody's come out and said what are dogmen what exactly
are they they don't know right so is this is this
the actual finding of dogmen that dogmen are
just straight up skinwalkers something to
leave you with there hmm it's like
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the 50 million dollar question yeah so with
but you look you look at dogmen you look at dogmen and
you look at the way they are though and then you look at his skin well i'm just saying
you know maybe that's the answer yeah i'll say
this a four-legged creature rather it's
a dog or or something semblant of it so well
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yeah this is all the time we have for season two of podcast episode five of
Thoughts on Technology with Pax and Dalton of Theory Paranormal.
As always, if you have any thoughts or questions or things you want to run by
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me or Dalton to have us review any footage or evidence or just want to simply say hello,
which we definitely have people do from time to time,
please feel free to email us at info at theoryparanormal and we will get those
messages if you have one.
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So as always, as we say here in Theory of Paranormal, don't be afraid to ask questions.
Theory Paranormal. Welcome to Theory Paranormal. This is Pax with my compadre Dalton.
We are on season two, episode five, and today we're gonna be talking about various
thoughts of Theory Paranormal and the latest and greatest of what's been on our brain lately.
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So you might hear a few things you've heard before and you might hear a few
things that are brand new.
Either way, I'm sure you're gonna have a great time listening to us
get ready to learn something maybe hear
something surprise you something even maybe to make you laugh
so welcome buckle up
and enjoy so senor dalton
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what is going on my friend well
you know just trying to make a living out here but uh yeah just
kind of do a free-for-all tonight a little little whatever
comes to mind and well everything we
do ain't really rehearsed or nothing but you know no not
at all whatever whatever pops up in
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our head this time go for it there you
go so you know with with you saying that actually something i've always kind
of pondered but i never thrown at you but because you have the privilege as
i call it to travel You travel all around the wonderful United States of A or America.
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With each place you go to, do you ever see that wonderful sign that says welcome
to whichever state you're entering in?
And sometimes you start thinking about all the different urban legends or paranormal
events that maybe that place or that state is notarized for.
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Or if you're passing through an actual town, village, or city of where there's
something famous there that you've seen on TV.
Do you ever sit there and go, you know, just maybe this might be the day I have
time to stop and see what's going on?
Well to be honest well you know i'm too busy you know working and you know kind
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of you know pay attention to what's going on around me with cars and stuff you
know being that i drive a truck so but i have been you know i've made some deliveries
by sloss furnace and then.
You know or waverly hills and when i'm near those places it's probably after
you know i check in and back up to a door or something that you know i realize
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you know oh heck you know i'm right around the corner from sloss furnace or
i'm right up the road from waverly hills that's,
that's pretty much the only time it really like hits me other than that honestly
i don't really think about when I rolled through the states,
you know, what, what an urban legend in that state was or anything of that nature.
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I'm just too busy operating a rig. So I don't really think about it.
Yeah, I definitely get that though. I mean, that's, that, that's your,
your main MO of what you got to do.
So, and I know from doing things in my history with, with, uh,
big vehicles per se, that it requires a hundred percent focus,
dedication, and attention.
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And when you get that much weight going around, you're not going to have that
much time to really get lost in thoughts.
You're too concerned about what's going on around you, what's coming up ahead
of you, and what's behind you.
So, but yeah, I always. We get lost in thoughts and stuff, but not kind of the
thoughts, you know, we really want to get lost into.
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It's usually, well, what bill am I going to pay this week?
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Trust me. You know, I don't have any fun time.
I don't have to drive, and I still get lost in that thought, man.
Well, I think everybody does today. I think that's just the norm today.
Yeah, yeah. You know, one of the things I was always thinking about that I always find interesting.
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Is sometimes, if and when it hits me and I decide to watch any type of show
that's on TV or one of the many apps now as you can have on your TV or cable or wherever.
And it's going to be a...
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That's a variety show about mysteries or oddities or maybe themed about urban
legends or maybe about the paranormal or experiences or ghosts or things like that.
It's always interesting to see what is conveyed or said.
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But then the other aspect is
what technology is used or what things maybe that aren't technology-based that
are innate objects that don't have any processors in it or any silicone or any
type of computer chip or electronic aspect of it.
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It's just a generic run-of-the-mill something simple like a ball.
And what I'm getting at is with how
we are in society now as you
know everything is wrapped around technology
even the smallest little detail it's somehow infused
with something and I think
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it would be more interesting to see a high tech show that utilized technology
to really hone in on maybe doing an investigation or exploring a part of the paranormal process,
that other shows just don't do.
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I mean, I get it's about entertainment.
It's about a hook trying to get people's attention and all that. I fully get it.
But it's always the same type of stuff you see.
Now there have been some shows that
have utilized a lot of technology as the seasons progressed
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to try to yield different answers and stuff which
was pretty cool one particular show i'm thinking
of but unless you got deep deep pockets
a lot of this tech is off the shelves for you know
average america just because it's specialized so i i personally would like to
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see a show that just is able to maybe repurpose things that people never thought
about introducing to the paranormal world to see what works,
how it could be utilized.
I mean, I'm not going to say every piece of technology is going to work.
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But for instance, back in the day, I mean, when I was a kid,
and a lot of people use use this.
There was this little box that you could take these plastic pieces in and plug
it in the holes and then you'd flip it on and make a design and it would light up.
You know. There you go.
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You know, something simple like that.
But I actually think that somebody does use the light bright.
I think I've seen them use it once. There you go. In a show.
But when you talk about technology, man, there's been a couple of shows that,
you know, that we watched that ain't around no more.
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That, you know, used to use different types of medical equipment and machines
to read your aura or, you know, do whatever.
But, you know, you look at us like it may stringer house, man,
if I could afford to bring sonar out there, you know, ground sonar and just
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scan the property to see if we can really find, you know, Morena and the kid buried out there.
That's what you're going to need to do. And I just, you know,
like you said, there's there's some stuff that's not in the book for us,
you know, or anybody else.
Else now the shows they can get stuff like that because a lot of times it's
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it's somebody donating their time doing it for free to get their name out there
because they're going to be on tv.
It's it's not all the time that the tv show is paying for that but,
it's it's a shame that you know some of them shows tried
go that direction and those shows for some reason didn't
make it and now you just got the shows where
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you know it's the same stuff up video camera
flashlight k2 you know
oh look the k2 lit up oh look the flashlight lit
up you know oh we got this shadow figure
running across the hallway here it it is
the same basis and it
would be cool to have a show now there was
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there was a group i mean there was a group that came out
with the sls camera yep which is
basically an xbox tied to a tablet yep and it does actually sort of work i mean
i've i'm still on the fence about it but i i think it does work it it still
does right so and then there was another show they created a fair day box,
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You know, basically trying to catch a spirit in the box. Now,
can you explain what a Faraday box is? Not really.
A Faraday box is nothing more than just a metallic type entrapment device that's
able to keep things cordoned off from the rest of the environment.
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So if you just imagine walking into a room with a door and that's it,
that's pretty much how it is.
Once something gets in it can't get
out unless it's uh down the correct way and that's
where people will use put their cell phones in them
and different things they don't want to be affected by the
electromagnetic principles or different energies if you're into metaphysical
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stuff or things of that nature to keep things like even uh you might even heard
of a emp blast well they'll build specific things that will protect all the
electronics inside and shield it from an EMP blast,
which I can attest to on certain things that I've done in my life and career or careers.
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So that's how those work. I do.
Right. And I kind of figured that it's just a trap because, you know,
spirits and entities are a form of energy.
So they're trying to trap this energy in this box.
I do know that, you know, that the Faraday cages are named after the scientist
Michael Faraday. I believe it was constructed back in, what was it,
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1835 or 1836 or something.
Where was Tesla? That's all I got to say. Where was Nikola Tesla?
Well, yeah, well, if you get Tesla to make one today, we might catch something. I don't know.
Yep. But, you know, it's an electrical field that causes electrical charges within the cage,
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cage conducting material to be distributed in a way that cancels out the field's
effect inside the cage, basically.
But, yeah, it's kind of a phenomenon that can be used to protect sensitive electronic equipment.
But anyway, the thing is, this group, they supposedly built a Faraday cage and,
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you know, episode after episode tried to catch a spirit intrepid in this Faraday cage.
But I think they all I think unless it was the hook, but they might have came
close and then somehow it got out. So if it got out, then obviously they didn't build a cage, right?
But I don't think they ever truly caught anything in, in the actual Faraday cage itself.
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But it, you know, to me, and I was, I was one of the people I would watch the
show because that's what, you know, they were trying to do.
And I was actually watching it to say, Hey, you know, are they actually going to catch a ghost?
Which they never did. So after a while, I got tired of watching them do the
same thing all the time. And then I just stopped watching the show.
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So, yeah, again, the hook for them was the Faraday cage.
Now, on the other hand, the SLS camera, that was just some random gear that
on the show, they have a guy that builds equipment and he put that together
and they just use it on the show.
But like the other one trying to catch a spirit and they've done everything like they thought maybe.
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The spirit was inside an object and they quickly put the object in the Faraday
cage and then they took it back to their home base and then they you know had
you know K2 hooked to it and a digital recorder and something else to see if they could actually,
while they're seeing if the entity was trapped If it was giving off,
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you know, any kind of EMF or if it was saying anything inside the cage.
So they had the digital recorder going, you know, it's a big hook.
It was a big hook and it, it hooked me because I wanted to sit there and actually
see if they were able to catch one.
And, and back of my mind kept telling me they're not going to catch anything,
but to watch it was, you know, for a while, it was kind of cool to watch,
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but you know, if we actually had a box that worked. might be different.
So you were talking about the SLS camera just to chime in there that stands for.
Structure light sensor. Now, the easiest way to explain it to anybody that's
never heard that before is it's basically a camera that can look at anything in the environment.
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And I want you to think of a stick figure. If you were to draw a stick figure,
two arms, you know, the body, the hands, and a little face.
That's basically what an SLS camera does. It uses mapping software,
algorithms, math, all that stuff that make me fall asleep.
And it puts together an
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imagery so if you're recording
something or having it just pointed at
a direction and it is able to pick up a form it will then show on the screen
a stick figure or a semblance of something that it's able to detect and then
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us being humans can go oh look look,
that black mist isn't a black mist.
It's a stick figure, metaphorically speaking, of course, through the SOS system.
So that's how that works. Yeah, just imagine, like, see, the guy put a 360 Kinect on it.
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And so when you used to play Xbox with the 360 or even, well,
the Kinect One or whatever.
That camera picked up basically your your
figure self so your movement you
know would control the game basically yep so so he kind of it was kind of a
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brilliant idea i guess you know to to come up with something like that and then
figure well if they if they connect the xbox connect can pick
up your figure and entities are pretty much an energy.
Then how about we hook this up to a tablet and create some kind of software
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and then it picks up the, the, the ghostly figures, but yes,
they look like stick figures dancing around.
Yeah. And that's just, that's just the way it's programmed is a stick figure.
I mean, they could have programmed any imagery that they wanted and it would
show a smiley face if it picked up a big enough mass.
But yeah, I think technology-wise, that type of technology, there has been things
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that have already existed that predate that.
But on a commercial level for entertainment, that was innovative and brand new
for the market back in the day.
Now, for people to jump on that and say, hey, here's a device that already is
able to capture wide area for camera and optics and all that.
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And let me go ahead and build a little special program that goes with it and,
you know, add some overlays to it.
And next thing you know, your data fields and your data points are set.
And then you actually have a program that can be utilized to help you distinguish
something that you physically can't see.
But then you can see it on the screen. Rather, it's a computer screen or it's
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a phone or even if it's just a little touchpad that you're using.
So yeah i'm definitely digging digging that
piece of equipment you know it's
well you know we went on the we went to the may stringer house and
the guy the guy there that was hanging out with us while we were investigating
you know he was at first they brought that out the the team that he was kind
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of walking around with they were at another location and they brought it out
and he was a skeptic about it he's like all right what's this thing gonna do,
and he showed me the video,
of him standing there and I think it was his wife or somebody girlfriend or
whatever they were holding it in their hand and he's like oh lord you know look there's something.
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Right in front of you and he's looking and he's like well I don't see anything
and she goes no it's right there so he was doing things and the thing was mimicking
and finally he just goes you know give me a high five and he held his hand up
and the thing high fived him.
And he didn't do it like once. He did it like three or four times,
and the thing kept high-fiving him every time he asked, like high-five me again.
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And it – like the arm was on its side, and then all of a sudden it raised its
arm, and you see where it smacked his hand in the camera.
So it's one of the few SSSs that kind of make me believe the thing does work.
Yeah, I mean I can definitely see that.
It's it's interesting because you can
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use a piece of technology for your whole life and serve one function or purpose
and then that one day you have that aha moment where you just look at it and
then you're like i could use it for this and it doesn't have to be paranormal
related it could be for something else and it could be like such an epiphany
and you're like oh my gosh gosh,
why didn't I think of this earlier?
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This is like making this other process so much more easier, enjoyable,
simpler, or it takes away time, it reduces time for something that you were doing.
And sometimes I'll do that. I'll look around the house.
It's kind of a game I'll play, and I'll be like, can I use that in an investigation?
Can I really apply this trying
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to assist resist if if
i was to do you know private investigation somewhere
for an effect to give me
some sort of outcome that might act as a trigger object or act in a way to where
it's fruitful to where i can say hey i was actually able to use this and it's
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a game that doesn't yield a lot of great answers unfortunately you think you
have a good idea it's like it's like
hey i just found the idea you know that'd be a great invention you go run into
your friend you're like hey guess what i found out you know guess what i guess
what i came up with and you're all excited and then you they look at you and
they're just shaking their head like no it's already there man it's already
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been invented you're like oh okay and you walk away just like,
i gotta do better but well that's the thing there's so many things out there
you don't know what's been tried or i mean these shows they show stuff but they
don't show all the stuff that But they've tried now.
And I mean, it's like it's like, OK, you know, it's it's I don't know, man.
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I just like I see something. I'm the same way, even in a store,
you know, I'll see something and I'll be like, oh, I mean, we can use that,
you know, like that, like that little ball I use where you bounce it on the floor and it lights up.
You know, when it hits, when it, when it impacts the floor, it lights up.
So I still have it and I still try to use it because I figure if I can set it
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in the floor, because it has, let's say what, four, four or five,
six lights inside it and they're in different positions.
So if you can get them to energize one of those lights and let's say they energize
the light on top and you're like, okay, can you energize the light on the side?
You know, That's what I always thought I could use it for is that if they can
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energize the individual lights inside that little ball.
Of course, it's never worked. I think it lit up one time.
I think a little kid grabbed it or something, and half the lights came on.
And then when I asked, hey, can you make one of those lights come on instead of the half of that ball?
And nothing ever happened after that. But I still got it. I still try it.
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I still use it. But, I mean, look how long it took to get a beach ball to roll over. You know?
Yeah. Like – I definitely – You've got to keep – I get what you're saying.
We're there with that, you know. And it's just –.
It's almost laughable sometimes because the things that you realize work aren't
anything that's super expensive.
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It's just things that you would never think to put in play in an investigation.
I mean, me and Dalton, we always have different things that most people would
not use in an investigation to see if it yields results.
And that's just how we go. I mean, we do have some things that people use that are used to.
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There are things that I'll make that people don't have that we'll use to see how things go.
That's just due to my inquisitive curiosity background that I have of having
the aptitude of being able to do things sometimes like that with making things.
But, you know, I think I'm a big believer if you utilize the same concepts and
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methods over and over and over, you're only going to be stuck getting those same type of results.
So, from an investigator slash paranormal researcher person,
I like to try to mix it up from here to there and see what happens,
see what things I can introduce to the environment.
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Well, I wouldn't even say mix it up. I would say for me, and I'm pretty sure
if I clear this up, you'll agree with it, but it's mainly,
you know, we try to do new things and more technical things basically to get a clearer answer.
Answer so if we if
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we keep using the k2 meter i mean k2 meter is what it is k2 meter it does light
up right but not all the time can you get a clear answer out of that you use
say a rim pod or something like that you might not get a clear answer if something
just keeps walking through it.
So to me i'm trying to find something that gives me a clear answer you know
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like the flashlight pretty much almost gives us, I'd say, about a 70% clear answer.
Now, if you can find that one object that they can manipulate to give you just
a definite answer right away, then that changes the game.
So I'm just saying a lot of stuff that we try, it ain't because,
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to me, I mean, anyway, it ain't really because...
You know, we're going to do the
same. It's something different and it's something for people to look at.
No, you pretty much said it. If you keep using the same stuff,
you're going to end up with the same results, which is questionable.
If you have something that's new or something you brought out to give that definite
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yes, no answer or whatever, it's kind of like the guy that created the spirit box, man.
He probably started out. They started out with the boxes that make the static
and skip the channels. And then he finally made one that eliminates that background
noise to where you just hear them talking.
And that's a definite, that's a definite response.
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It's not something you're trying to pick out over white noise.
You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. Yeah, the spirit boxes back in the day,
there was an individual by the name of Frank.
He ended up actually kind of coined the box within the paranormal world.
And then there ended up being another individual by the name of Steve.
He ended up coming along and making some.
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And he made some boxes. And then over time, they kind of just took off and did their own thing.
There was a individual back
in the late 60s early 70s actually
made a box but this was
like a bona fide scientist like at
a university that made one and got
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a lot of communication through it a lot got a lot of messages passed relayed
to them and from my at least educational purposes When I used to do a lot of
research into EVPs or ITCs, communications,
and so forth, that's kind of where it all started of it coming out and being
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first real instances of documentation for utilizing a box that can do different
things that can yield some sort of answers back,
which I thought was pretty cool.
As well you can you can take that all the way back to i mean we mentioned it before so yeah they they,
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they they created spirit boxes off
of other people and what
i'm saying is like you know you know back in the early 1900s thomas edison he
was trying to create a spirit phone which is like a spirit box and the funny
thing is is that he took his idea to he took his idea actually from,
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nicola tesla and i guess the two and the two back the two of them back then
they were in competition on who can you know create one first i think or something
the way the story is you can look it up but so basically you can say like the
spirit box or the spirit phone.
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Started in the early 1900s with Edison and Tesla.
And then these guys, as time progressed, I think it went to the wayside,
and then these guys picked it back up and created these spirit boxes.
Yeah, yeah, without a doubt. I mean, it comes down to what's there for technology
and what's there feasibly for the common person, or rather they're scientifically educated.
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Or if it's just an average person that just enjoys the paranormal stuff.
I mean, you think about it, those two individuals back in the day were the cream of the crop.
They were at the top of their game. They understood things and were educated
and versed and had conversations that make most people go, what,
okay, that sounds crazy. Have a good day.
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But that was normal for them. And through the evolution of technology and time,
things that they're trying to do now,
people that aren't at that level can utilize or do between the spirit box and
computer boards and all those other things. It's more mainstream information.
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It's not finite and select, where if you're not at a certain level of academia,
then you're not going to be able to understand it.
It's not like that. That's one thing I love about humans in general.
When somebody wants to apply themselves, they're very smart,
and they can do boundless things. The potential is always there.
Well, just think about it, dude. I mean, you're talking about,
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like you said, two of the most brilliant scientists around,
and they were trying to get in touch with basically the other side, the paranormal side.
I mean, just think about that for a second. It's almost kind of mind-blowing.
Basically, that even even in I think Tesla had a quote a while back.
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I think it was like 1901, actually.
And it was something about the his first observations basically terrified him,
you know, trying to deal with the paranormal.
And because he was basically there was something mysterious about it, I guess he was saying.
And then the supernatural said he was all alone in a laboratory one night.
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I remember that and that and that the idea of these disturbances being intelligently
controlled signal did not yet really present itself to him.
So basically, I guess he was communicating with the other side.
I guess he didn't really know it just yet, but it was kind of frightening to
know that things were responding.
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So he came up with the idea of inventing a device to speak with the dead.
And then Edison, of course, picked up on it and tried to create one as well.
But I mean, you think I think I think even Benjamin Franklin played with the paranormal as well.
So you think you think of back then in 1900s?
I mean, if you came out, if you came out then and said, yeah,
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I'm trying to create a spirit phone to contact the dead, your career is over.
Well it's already it's already been proven that.
Telephone itself was something that was in the late 1800s. It's already been
proven. The tech was already there.
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There has been conceptual designs in certain places of the world.
And people know about cellular technology.
I say this with a grain of salt. But cellular technology was a potential back
when Tesla was doing stuff.
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He was, I might be wrong on this, but if my brain serves me right,
he was looking at utilizing electricity to power cities in different places.
And also doing it in a shape and way to where it was going to be location-based or geolocated-based.
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To where things would light up and they didn't necessarily have to have an electrical
cord for the way he was looking at trying to do stuff.
And I find it fascinating that you mentioned those three individuals.
Those were the three biggest players back in the day for ushering in modern
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society with some of the things that we have right now to this day.
So do you think like so do you
think with them trying to create a spirit phone accidentally created
the phone you know we're
trying to talk to the dead but yeah man talking to
the dead doing their thing well you know what i'm saying though is like you
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know he's calling up he's talking to the he's like oh i'm gonna use the phone
call up and talk to the dead and he's like oh wait a minute what if i called
my buddy and can talk to him through this phone and then And it created what we know now as the phone,
something that crazy.
Yeah. So, you know, it's just, you know, just just like I said,
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just to know that these guys were dabbling with the paranormal,
like you, you only were taught what you were supposed to be taught about these people.
And then when you do research on them, you're like, oh, wait a minute.
They were dabbling with the paranormal. So I always thought it was cool when
you go back in late 1800s, early 1900s, and find out some of the greatest inventors
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were even playing around with the paranormal.
Normal yeah well and that's where
the whole spiritualism era
kicked off was late late 1900s before
the early 20th century was that which i
thought was kind of cool because that's what ushered in everybody
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wanting to understand about seances and understanding
about contacting the the other side and all
the different things that involved but unfortunately you know
i'm just throwing a rough number out there but like 95
of it was all scams just people
trying to make a fast well of course making a fast buck you know
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of course but but then you had then you had
the real ones because i mean you could take it back further
than that i mean witchcraft seances is
all that stuff happened way long time ago and then you got the sailing you know
the Salem witch hunt which a lot of them people probably hung a lot of innocent
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women thinking they were witches just because something weird was going on or
maybe something they said was weird or something they thought was weird but.
It's crazy to think that even, even like in new Orleans, I mean,
I forget what their craft is called, you know, the voodoo stuff and stuff like
that, but they also have a Creole name for it.
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But that's what's going on for centuries.
Yeah. Centuries. Yeah. Centuries. I think that there is a, it's a religion.
Mexican. Ain't it? No. Yeah.
So, but you know, like I think Santa is Mexican or wherever,
but it's, it's, But think about how long it's been going.
Like if you go and do research on each individual, I don't want to call it paranormal
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thing, but, you know, just the seance, the and then some of those,
like you said, were an actual religion.
I don't really want to get on the religion base, but some of them were actually a religious deal.
Like if you want to just say a cult type deal, you know, it's if you go way
back, man, it's it's it's been going on for a long time.
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It's just people back then didn't want to come out and say, hey,
I'm a psychic or I'm a medium and I can tell the future or I can speak with
the dead because they'd string you up.
They'd just put you on a rope and be like, you're done.
Just as a quick tidbit real quick before we get too far off.
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Santeria is a faith base that blends with African things, with divine beings and Catholic saints.
So that's where that came from what's the Mexican one the Spanish.
I can't think of the name of it but the Spanish had one I think sounds close to that Santeria,
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too sure. It'll come to me. I've got to think about it for a minute.
Yeah, it's... Well, they've got one that's called Brugeria or something.
It's B-R-U-J-E-R-I-A.
And, again, what you said, it's Latin American, but it's a complex blend of
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indigenous, African, and European influences.
So, that's So maybe the Santeria and all that is all combined because they're
both taking it from the same influences, right?
African and European influences and whatever else is mixed in there. Right.
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Yeah. I mean, it's also Santeria can be translated to the way of the saints.
So. Right. Exactly. So.
Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, so you look at, you know,
that kind of stuff's been going on forever.
Ever but yeah and you know with
it going on forever and fortunately in every single place in
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history if someone doesn't agree with something then things happen
unfortunately that aren't positive and people
have to deal with the repercussions you know it's it's
interesting you know we have all
this technology to help assist us in the
paranormal world and the the electronic world of whatever
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may be there or scientific stuff but you
know you're touching base on things where people
could not properly convey things because
they just didn't understand or know at least
at our level we have a little bit more of detail that we can utilize with technology
to say hey i saw this orb or i saw this shape or i heard this or i felt this
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it's on film versus everything else that predates the 20th century of technology.
Well, think about it this way, though. Think about it this way, though.
I'm going to put you right there, because you kind of said something there,
but it really wasn't about the technology, whether it was then or now.
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What it was about is what you were taught. well i fully
agree so i fully hit it right on the head so they're
right so their beliefs taught them that
any of this stuff other than what what we're practicing is is is demonized yeah
so even us growing up so even us growing up you you were taught and we mentioned
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this it's not nothing out of the loop we mentioned this in another pack and
another podcast but you were taught like Like, like,
you know, you have heaven and hell and it's biblical and it's black and white.
That's it. That's all you have.
Now, you have these people that come out that have been hidden in the scenes
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for a while that are psychics and mediums and fortune tellers and whatnot,
whatever you want to call them.
You actually have each one of them. So then you have people like us that were
born with abilities to be able to hear or see or do things.
But how dare you come out and say, this is what I believe.
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I'm not in that belief system because I know something different.
That they honestly, I'm going to say, they honestly, like any kind of real,
you know, the Vatican, per se.
The Vatican knows it exists. That's why they have licensed exorcists that do exorcisms, right?
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That's been hidden from us for a long time. And then it slowly came out that,
oh, this person is possessed.
And they had to send a licensed exorcist to go exorcise this person to force
a demon out of them. So now you have another.
And I swore I would never get out of religion. But you have another.
I need some exercise. You have another type. But it's not to get a demon out.
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It's just to get some, get some extra weight out.
Right. So the thing is, cause you eat too much food, but anyway,
it's, it's the thing. The thing is, is that now you're now, what are you doing?
If all you're seeing is these people are possessed and they're,
and they're fighting a demon.
So now you got people that go even to this very day that the paranormal has been exposed.
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And there is this other realm or multiple realms, other signs,
blah, blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera.
Still, you talk to somebody that's deep into the church, and you say you're
a paranormal investigator, what's the first thing they say? You're chasing demons.
Why? Because it was brought to their attention. That's what came out first.
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If you want to say to me, I might be mistaken, but in my recollection,
the first thing that came out for the paranormal was somebody being possessed,
and they're saying, oh, that's a demon.
And so then they say all spirits in the spiritual realm are demons and that's
what you're chasing. And it's, it's absolutely not true.
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So it's, yeah. So, I mean, that's just a rabbit hole. I can go down for a very,
very long time. I'm not going to do that.
So it's going to be right there that I'm just going to cut.
I'm going to cut that right there. Dalton is very famous for saying,
I'm not going to do this or that. that 25 minutes later on a tangent,
quick little comment, you know, but I'm not going to get into it. Oh yeah.
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By the way, let me tell you two more things about it. 45 minutes later.
So I just had to say that real quick.
Well, I mean, it's, it sparks kind of a, and it, I'm not going to say an anger, but,
It's it's it's it's just I don't I don't knock people's beliefs,
what you believe in, what you think we're telling you.
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Like I said, I really don't care. You weren't there. You didn't see what we saw.
You didn't you didn't experience what me and Pax have experienced.
I still take the criticism and be like, OK, that's fine.
I'm happy you believe that, but I'm just telling you my experiences or your
or you yourself telling them your experience.
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So hey it makes i don't know if it makes a double-edged sword sometimes i look
at it i look at it like math okay we've all had to take math if we if we went
to school at certain places.
When i explain things to people when they ask me oh what's a paranormal world
like or what do you do or this or that and i'll say things that i just see the
face and it's like uh-huh it's like the ear doesn't really register because
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they've never had that experience but i just i don't ever
found myself getting any which way i'm pretty
indifferent and tolerant but i just
look at it as it's like a math equation until someone's
been able to do it and solve it for themselves and it makes sense
then they just don't know and that's how i was once upon a time the most logical
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yeah but person yeah but like i've said go ahead well i hate i hate this headset
sometimes because Cause sometimes there's a delay, but yeah.
So my thing is though, is like, you'll get people that go, I've never.
Third time. Here we go. Go ahead and make a long story short.
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Yeah, this is a long story short. So you get people that go,
Hey, I've never had a paranormal experience. And I go, yes, you have. And they go, how's that?
And I said, well, you ever seen anything out the corner of your eye in your house moving?
And you know, your dog's laying in front of you. I've given this example before,
but, and they'll go, yeah, as a matter of fact, I have. And I said,
well, you just had a paranormal experience.
(44:00):
Don't know what it is it's unexplained but something was moving so
it was a shadow figure or you know a white mist
or whatever you thought you seen out the corner of your eye at your peripheral so
that's why i always say everybody's had a paranormal experience i don't care
who you are where you come from or what you're about everybody has had a paranormal
experience of some sort so you know that's just my opinion but i'm gonna i'm
(44:26):
just stating it like i see it you You know what I mean?
Because once you talk to somebody like that and they go, oh,
yeah, that has happened.
And you're like, OK, well, you've had a paranormal experience.
But five minutes ago, they were like, I've never had a paranormal experience.
I'm like, yeah, you have. You just didn't know it.
Right. You know, or the dreams that people have. You get into the dream states
and they talk about their dreams and they're walking on the ocean with their
(44:49):
dad who passed away three years ago.
And it felt so real. That's the key word.
When somebody tells me they're dreaming and they go, oh, it felt so real.
And I said, well, it probably was.
Yeah that because you're an adult now you're more except your paranormal instinct
is more accepted when you're sleeping yeah yeah so but yeah man technology in
(45:10):
this world in this day and age it it transforms and changes things on how we
can perceive stuff and interact and.
It's it's interesting because even though we have all these advancements as
we deal within our society just like back in the day 200 years ago 300 years
ago they had all their advancements,
you think you're at the top of the food chain but when
(45:34):
it comes to the paranormal i don't think we're any closer or
better than where we were 100 000 years ago it's still unknown there's still
100 uncertainty there's no logic there's no understanding there's no revelation
and if If any of that is on the flip side and people do understand or, or there is logic to it,
(45:56):
then they're keeping it to themselves because, well, look at,
look at it this way though. You know, you have the news channel.
I forget what channel was channel nine or somebody, but they came out and said,
it's either the government or somebody is now saying that they believe that aliens live among us.
They're, they're, they're, they're basically, uh.
(46:19):
Saying like there's some kind of proof that they that they either walk among
us or hide among us or live among us and we just had that talk in our alien
subject you know in our alien podcast,
where i talked about them living under the water or living in the ocean that
we can't you know explore so you know we have the technology yes we have the
(46:42):
technology to go find bigfoot if we want to.
I mean, they could take satellites and just scour the northwest part of the
United States up in California and Oregon and stuff and actually see if they
can find something because those satellites are capable of zooming in right
to the object to where you can clearly see what it is.
But will they do that? No, because why?
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Because you know what happens?
You'll have probably 65-70% of
this country freak out over that there really is
a Bigfoot or if they showed you a real alien on TV then you're going to freak
out which eventually I believe that's coming like that's coming because you've
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seen so many alien movies and stuff to prepare you for the fact that when you
see when they show you an actual alien,
you're just going to be like oh well we're eating dinner,
that's good news you know kind of thing you're not going to
jump up and go get all excited and be
like oh my god pack your things we got to go to the bunker you
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know it you know you understand what
i'm saying it's like we have the
technology to do today to do what we want to do they just won't do it because
it'll freak i believe it'll freak people out i mean it's still when i talk to
people about the paranormal or explain things or talk about things that i've
seen or dealt with they get a little freaked out about it they're like really dude i'm like yeah man,
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and they're like and you still do this and i'm like every day all day,
any time of the week it doesn't matter well i will be there well that's the
thing i've always said about the paranormal world especially concerning me and
you i mean decades that this has been our life and i don't want to say we're
desensitized but we're used to it.
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So it's no longer a wow or shock factor. It's kind of like, huh,
this is different or this is new or that never happened before.
And it's not to say that we don't find the paranormal world fascinating,
at least from my perspective, or not interesting.
But I think this applies to anything anybody does in life.
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When you get saturated enough by something, rather it's a job or a hobby or
something thing you do you get to a certain point to where it loses its luster and gleam a little,
and you're just like okay that happened versus being like in the very beginning
when you're like oh my god that happened you know and you take it with a grain
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i still get like that though.
Yeah like like i'm in the dark silently going
yeah that's what we came here for um i would
use i would use one word for that that that
this one word i believe this one word we
will never it will always be there because
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we will never not be that and
that's intrigued yeah that we are intrigued by this and i think that's the key
word to what why we keep doing it because you constantly are intrigued by the
new stuff that you find or the new science behind it,
(50:03):
what they're giving off or what kind of EVPs, what's the hertz,
the megahertz or whatever that you're into this scope.
But you know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, wow, this is a whole other level right here.
Or if we hear somebody… There's always going to
be something new and different no matter you think you know something so
(50:23):
and a new revelation comes out or new data point
or some new metric that you
never considered or thought of or realized and then
it might add that much more definition or level to what it is that you're trying
to learn about or do right so it always keeps you intrigued yeah yeah it always
(50:43):
keeps you intrigued so we're talking about equipment so I'm going to go to an
urban legend real quick.
And we talked about, I've hinted on this thing before the polybeth.
So you know about the polybeth perhaps, but I'll let you unpackage and, uh, and, and explain.
(51:06):
So we were talking about equipment and technology and things of that nature.
So this is supposed to be fictitious, an urban legend, but I think it kind of
happened because there was plenty of, witnesses.
This happened in Portland, Oregon.
And it was an arcade game that was built.
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And basically, it was a crowd-sourced, psychology experiment-based type arcade game.
And so the men in black, they said the men in black would come,
and basically, it was for data mining purposes.
So basically, this game— And by you saying the men in black,
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you're just referring to some organization that's out there.
Right, some government organization. And what they did was it was it was done
in 1981 and it was supposedly produced.
It supposedly produced intense psychoactive and addictive effects in the player.
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So there was like a subliminal message behind the game that when you're playing
it is entering your mind and you don't even know it.
So what it what it did was it was basically a very popular game there.
I think there was two locations and they had two different consoles,
you know, or stand ups that they had.
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And what it did was basically it created such an addiction with the player that
they would have lines out the video arcade and fights would break out on who's going to play next.
Now, the so-called men in black who collected unknown data from the machines
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allegedly was testing the responses to games psychoactive effects on the players.
And then some of these players supposedly suffered from unpleasant side effects
like seizures, amnesia, insomnia, hallucination, night terror, more one.
So they say approximately about a month after that it released in 1981.
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Basically, it was said to have disappeared without a trace.
So the company the company named in most accounts of the game is I cannot pronounce
that word and I'm not going to try.
So basically, it was it was German with a German word.
But anyway, going into some words, I'm not even going to try to hit with my southern accent.
(53:43):
So basically the meanings derived from the German words senses are sense in
a and basically lotion. Hello.
I'm probably pronouncing it wrong. L.O.S.C.H.E.N. to extinguish or to delete since lotion.
So that's the German word that you're trying to think of is this is the the sense lotion.
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Well, no, it's two words. word
cini is senses so s-i-n-n-e and
then and then the the lotion or
it's got a little thing above it so it's probably being pronounced wrong but
l-o-s-c-h-e-n so the first one is senses to deal with your senses and then the
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second word deals with to extinguish or to delete so So are they trying to delete
something out of your mind? I don't know.
So it sounds like a big psychoanalyzer analyzation
test of affecting people on a psychological level and even subconsciously to
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make it to where it would block certain things about the brain and how it would
affect people. It sounds like what you're telling me.
Yeah. And then, OK, so think about that. If they were suffering from like seizures
and amnesia, then it obviously was doing something to the brain. Right.
And it was triggering these side effects.
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Right. So it's kind of like today's drugs. You take you take certain pill and
you might have a side effect.
You might be nauseated or you might, you know, be vomiting or something.
You know, there's going to be a side effect that might hit you from taking this
certain form of, you know, medication.
Right so make but this is dealing with making the body do something that it
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doesn't normally do or blocking something basically right but imagine that though is it like watching tv,
or watching some kind of movie i mean this is you're dealing with your eyesight
and your brain factor yeah your brain so what you're seeing wavelengths light
is energy wavelengths okay so So now you see where I'm going with this, right?
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So it's like your sight, what you're seeing,
and then if there's a subliminal message behind what you're seeing,
that's actually your eyesight's picking it up and feeding your brain,
but you're not even consciously knowing that it's doing that.
So via your optical nerves to your cortex of the brain, and it's reprogramming
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or changing fundamentals of the way you work.
So a better word would be to program or deprogram on a level right so this in
this case it was programming their addiction.
Making them addicted to this game where like i
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said fights were breaking out on who was going to play next maybe this
is just like an early beta test of like the video game
system that's in every household all around the world for the most part now
because all those all of all of those symptoms that you spoke of or or what
people go through if they can't play their favorite video game or get online
to play that favorite first person video game that they play well think about
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it in the pc world i mean i did it with everquest man i
mean there was times where i stayed up 72 hours straight
playing every quest 2 with my friends
you know we had we had to get those other characters boosted up to 90 level
90 and then we had you know the the high-powered monsters that were like 90
and 100 that you know we had to form a a giant crew to go kill it you And you
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never wanted to play Dungeons and Dragons with me. I see. It all makes sense.
Yeah, well, you know. Well, I'll tell you what.
It's interesting to see your segue that you were doing between technology that
we utilize in the paranormal world.
And how it affects things that we perceive, hear,
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feel, feel or sense in
general versus the polybus
arcade machine that you were talking about how it interacted with you know the
human being also obviously technology as a whole can be used for a variety of
(58:13):
reasons depending on the application and likewise with the paranormal normal
world, depending on what it is,
it can be used for a variety of applications.
I'll ask you this on our ending of this particular podcast.
As far as it goes, what is your favorite piece of paranormal technology and why?
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Mine is going to be any type of device that is modified or made to where it
can receive otherly worldly communication as it's called via ghost box or whatever.
And you can actually hear voices or words from the other side,
just because that blows my mind away.
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That's my favorite. What about you, Dalton?
Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I really have a favorite. I just, my favorite thing.
I don't know. I don't, I don't think I really, I mean, the mail meter is probably
one because of the story behind it.
Say the spirit box but a lot of times if
i can get the spirit to actually manifest a voice that we hear with our own
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ears of course is is the golden goose so i don't know man i just like any i
like all types of equipment the digital recorder has a really good purpose for evp purposes,
beer box we already talked about what that does the mail meter has multiple
functions between temperature, EMF, and also has a sensor on it.
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So if they walk through it or touch it, it goes off.
You know, laser grids are great. If you got a camera set up the right way,
I mean, a laser grid, you can catch a figure walking through if you're trying
to catch shadow figures.
I do have the other deal that we have not taken to an investigation yet, but we will.
(01:00:08):
And you know what the one that is, I'm sure. or I'm not going to mention it
on here until I actually use it. Yeah.
So you just like a little bit of everything, then.
It's not necessarily just one particular item that beholdens you or that you are all about.
No, I like what works. I mean, if the flashlight obviously works,
(01:00:29):
I'm going to use a flashlight.
K2 is hit and miss because cell phones can affect it.
But like laser grids, you know, mail meters, spirit box, digital recorders, all that stuff.
If it winds up to work and I can pull evidence off of it, then,
of course, I'm going to like it. If it doesn't work, then I don't like it.
(01:00:52):
Yeah. Yeah. It's just pretty cut and dry. Yeah.
Most definitely. But I don't really have a favorite. Let's just say that.
I mean, I mentioned, we've talked about this before in another podcast,
and I kind of mentioned a couple of things that might have been my favorites.
But the more I think about it, man, it's any utensil I can use to basically
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gather information, whether it be for ourselves or for a client,
if we're doing a private investigation, and it's feeding me the right kind of information.
I mean, heck, dude, the ghost radar on the phone, it's a novelty.
It's a toy, but it works, and it gives me information, and I'm not going to
say anything other than that.
So that's why I like it, and it stays on my phone. yeah yeah
(01:01:35):
there's lots of things out there that work sometimes sometimes they
they don't do anything i think a lot of
it's situational and it is situational i
was going to say that that it's probably since because sometimes we can take
the norm and none of it's working and we take something outside the box and
it works you know it just depends on what they want to play with or what they
want to you know feed their energy through oh yeah well this concludes that well Well,
(01:02:03):
before we conclude, I also want to mention something else.
To give everybody a thought process here. Sure.
I was going to bring up the dogman segment, which we can talk about in another podcast.
But just to throw it at you, though, as a thought process, not to get a response
or anything, but we talked about, everybody talks about the dogman.
(01:02:26):
And there's, of course, a lot of like the top 10 sightings are basically in
the north segment like mainly wisconsin i believe and there's some in michigan
or more in michigan than maybe wisconsin but then there's also a couple in minnesota but the dogmen,
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what have we talked about in a prior podcast that deals with basically dog people,
skinwalkers skinwalkers yeah i was about to say that okay so skinwalkers they
say that And skinwalkers always turn into a dog.
So my thing that I want to leave you with, is this the actual...
(01:03:12):
Finding or because they because
nobody's come out and said what are dogmen what exactly
are they they don't know right so is this is this
the actual finding of dogmen that dogmen are
just straight up skinwalkers something to
leave you with there hmm it's like
(01:03:33):
the 50 million dollar question yeah so with
but you look you look at dogmen you look at dogmen and
you look at the way they are though and then you look at his skin well i'm just saying
you know maybe that's the answer yeah i'll say
this a four-legged creature rather it's
a dog or or something semblant of it so well
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yeah this is all the time we have for season two of podcast episode five of
Thoughts on Technology with Pax and Dalton of Theory Paranormal.
As always, if you have any thoughts or questions or things you want to run by
(01:04:17):
me or Dalton to have us review any footage or evidence or just want to simply say hello,
which we definitely have people do from time to time,
please feel free to email us at info at theoryparanormal and we will get those
messages if you have one.
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So as always, as we say here in Theory of Paranormal, don't be afraid to ask questions.
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