Navigating the Paranormal Investigator's Journey - From Skepticism to Everyday Operations

Welcome to Episode 4 of Season 2 in the series 'Theory Paranormal'. In this revealing edition, hosts Pax and Dalton provide an in-depth look into the intriguing world of paranormal investigation. This comprehensive journey sheds light on the methodologies, process, and objectives of their supernatural pursuits and introduces you to Luca — a skeptic experiencing the paranormal world for the first time.

We delve into the various facets of paranormal investigation scenarios, from spontaneous group endeavors to structured individual tasks. Learn about preparatory steps such as initial client contact and post-investigation presentation of findings. This episode provides a complete overview of the journey of a paranormal investigation and also explores the tools of the trade, offering essential insights into ghost-hunting.

In addition to examining the typical operations of a paranormal investigator, we also dive into the skeptic's journey toward becoming a believer. We discuss the importance of hard evidence, knowledge of haunted spots, and the necessity of scientific approaches in solving paranormal mysteries. We shed light on investigative tools such as electromagnetic frequency detectors, ion box detectors, thermal devices, and even ghost boxes for potential communication with the other side.

The episode also delves into the personal motivations behind our line of work, emphasizing the inherent passion and desire to assist others in understanding the paranormal field. We also discuss confronting the unsettling aspects of the paranormal world and share cautionary tales for those embarking on their own investigations.

If you're interested in paranormal investigations, or just curious about the unknown, this episode is an engaging and enlightening experience that shouldn't be missed.

Episode Transcript

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Theory Paranormal. Welcome to Theory Paranormal.
I am your host, Pax, with Dalton. This is season two, podcast number four.
It's going to be based on what a investigation is, what it entails,
what is used during an investigation, and what is the purpose of an investigation.

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How are you doing today, Dalton?
Doing pretty well, man. How are you? Pretty good.
Pretty good. Thanks for asking. So I figured we would let all the listeners
hear a little bit about what actually happens during a paranormal investigation
and what is utilized during it and what the process is.
I know we always talk a lot about paranormal things, but we never really unpackage

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and get down to the nitty gritty of what it's like being a paranormal investigator.
So i figured that we could
definitely showcase that and maybe speak a little bit about when
we investigated where the other weekend dalton
may stringer there you go may stringer for anybody that has listened to the
previous podcast on the may stringer much appreciated if you haven't if you

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go back i believe it's to the 12th podcast which is the last one for season one it should
be there about the may stringer house and it's
a great listen and you'll learn a lot of good things
about that place so a lot of good stuff at
may stringer without a doubt so we
also had a special guest with us that day too yes we did we had an individual

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a great person young fellow by the name of luca he volunteered to come on out
never really did investigation in his life never I never had any background
with the paranormal or any devices or anything and came on. Pretty much a skeptic.
Yep. And was able to have some experiences and utilize some equipment and be

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able to walk away from everything and say, okay, I have some things to think about.
So. I think he had a lot to think about. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
And we do, like I said, you know, previous podcasts, we do invite people to
come out and investigate with us and.
He pretty much took us up on our offer, basically, to come out and get his own experience.

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That's kind of what he did. It was really good. He took initiative.
Some people might have been hesitant. Some people might have said,
hey, which way are you guys going? All right, I'm going the other way.
Some people might have said, let's do it. It was pretty neat to see how Mr.
Luca decided to jump on in, get in the middle of the mix, and assert himself
and see what he could do to be part of the team for that night,

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take initiative, and I think he did pretty amazing.
He did, and you gave him all brand-new batteries, brand-new equipment,
so he knew nothing was tampered with or that we didn't have some kind of little
remote control in our pocket turning things off and on. Yeah.
Yeah, all in all, it was a good night. Yeah, it was good stuff.
Well, we ended up doing, since we both, me and Dalton knew this was Luca's first

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time ever doing anything, we gave him a digital recorder, a temperature gauge
that gauged the ambient temperature plus the humidity level.
Also, we ended up giving him a flashlight. And then besides that,
what we ended up doing is giving him a K2 meter for electromagnetic frequency

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reads in the environment.
And as Dalton said, all brand new batteries, everything was packaged brand new.
So Luca was able to unpackage everything, put everything together,
see how it operated and worked, gave him a quick tutorial.
And then he was off on his way investigating. And then at the end of the night,
as a thank you from Theory of Paranormal, Luca was able to walk away with all

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this brand new equipment.
And from what I understand, he ended up going out the next few days and spelunking
and investigating on his own with some locations he found.
Taking all this newfound knowledge. So it was definitely a very positive experience,
which was very nice to see because sometimes when people investigate for the very first time.

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What your brain tells you versus what your body tells you are two
different things and sometimes people unfortunately are
ill-prepared for what it is they may experience so well.
I think the skepticism though and a lot of people get over them
it's you know it's i don't
want to say like a power being a skeptic because

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it's it's kind of like the unknown if you
want to say let's just break it down into some kind of term i think
it's more the unknown that intrigues people like it
does it exist is it real it's the
question behind the skepticism and then
once they step into it and then they realize because i

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believe i believe his first initiative where
we had them give him a little tour of the house so he
can get familiar with the house while we were kind out of grabbing gear and
stuff he had an experience right away oh
he did with with with somebody else's flashlight
yeah yeah so and so it's
it's the i think it's

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the the unknown you know being with
with because we've had plenty of skeptics come investigate with
us we're not there to change
their mind we're not there to tell them anything we
actually let them take part we encourage
them to ask questions that way if the light goes off the k2 goes off if something

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comes across the spirit box or whatever then they know hey i asked that question
and i got a response it's not like we're always asking the questions and then
the responses are coming so.
Yeah so kudos to him man for for coming out and you know getting a good experience and i like i

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said i think i think he has a lot to think about
now after that after that night of what went on oh yeah and we'll get into that
a little bit so what we're going to do right now is i'm going to talk a little
bit about the different types of investigations of the way paranormal investigation
can go the first and foremost which me and dalton are very accustomed to and used to,

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is we'll get a phone call email message or sometimes it'll just be by secondhand
knowledge of somebody knows somebody because somebody knew me or Dalton of what
our side hobby is and they don't want to put it out there,
but it'll get back to us and we'll get a message of saying, Hey,
we need help. Or can you come on out?
Sometimes will people be a little bit more forthright and just look for us point

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blank, contact us, email us, message us and say, Hey, here's what's going on. What do you advise?
What do you think? Are you guys going to be in the area? Can you help out?
Sometimes it'll just be by a simple chance meeting. We'll be out and about at
a restaurant or a different location, somewhere socially doing something and
in casual conversation, it kind of comes up what we do sometimes.

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And then the next thing that we know.
Right then and there, people will find out what's going on with what our hobby
is, and then they'll start just sharing information with us.
For some reason, me and Dalton are always on the receiving end of people telling
us things that they never tell anybody.
So it's definitely interesting. But the reason why I bring that up is because

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that's the first way that we get into investigations.
People just will tell us things by chance, and then we'll just get right to it.
But the next thing that we'll have for an investigation is it could be a group
investigation where a bunch of
people get together and we just go check something out socially for fun.

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So, I mean, we may bring some equipment. We might not just because of how me
and Dalton are with abilities that we utilize sometimes.
The third way an investigation is it's more formal. I've been on teams before
where people will contact the team.
We will do a preliminary phone call to get some information.

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If it seems about right and it works out for timing and the people that can
go and so forth, then it'll be a meet and greet.
It'll normally be on a neutral ground in a public setting, a coffee shop or
a park, somewhere that's public because both parties never met before.
So just to be fair sometimes if it's a public venue or residential venue that

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is well-known establishment sometimes we will actually go to the location i've
done private residential commercial.
Locations to investigate and once we do the meet and greet we will depending
on how it goes if it goes to the next level, give them a packet to fill out and get back to us.

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And in this packet, it could be up to a myriad of 150 questions ranging from
everything of maybe some medical stuff to background,
the history of the individual that we're looking potentially assisting,
because this helps paint the picture of overall what's going.

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A lot of times in my past, we would go to investigate somewhere and we would
not get the correct information.
So as we're going to do our thing, coming to find out it wasn't necessarily a real investigation.
Issue of there being paranormal activity. It was more of a issue of a personal

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nature that needed to get sorted out by certain professionals.
So by having the questionnaire, it helps paint the picture overall collectively,
because a lot of people, they don't want to put out what their personal information
is on a myriad of things, which I completely understand.
You know, you're dealing with strangers. You don't want other people to know what's going on.
But in the paranormal normal world, I mean, we kind of have to paint everything

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with a broad brush to understand what's going on.
So that way, when we do go into the investigation, we have that much more information,
which could lend credence to a situation or give answers.
There, after the fact of the questionnaire happening, if everything's copacetic

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and it's agreed upon, then the team shows up.
And depending on the way the scenario is, either A, where we're investigating
somebody from that establishment, it will stay on premise and they will be there
to assist if we have any questions or need anything.
Other times, everybody will completely leave that's associated to the premise
and just let the paranormal team do what they have to do and investigate.

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Once everything gets done, then all the stuff gets wrapped up and you will be
able to, when things come to a conclusion,
all the evidence gets reviewed and then there'll be another meeting time to
go over what was found with the individuals of who we're trying to get answers for.

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Or nine times out of 10 with the paranormal stuff, people just want closure.
They just want to be able to know how, what, or why something is happening and
what potentially can be done to alleviate it, to mitigate it, or to make it stop.
You know, for everybody that's listening, think about any job that you know nothing about.

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You know, if you're a doctor, think about being a mechanic. If you're a mechanic,
think about being a computer programmer.
If you're a computer programmer, think about being a firefighter.
All of these things we know of, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty of
knowing exactly what these individuals do and how they do it, everybody's lost.

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No one's going to know unless you're specialized in that. Well,
that's kind of how it is that I've seen in my professional experience more times than not,
unfortunately, is individuals coming to individuals that deal with the paranormal to help give answers.
Now, I brought up a whole bunch of processes from the quick and fun to the more

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structured and rigid type of investigation.
I'm going to talk about some equipment quick that's used. And I'll explain why.
The most basic. Well, to go back to the investigating part, though,
sometimes we go to places and we'll investigate.
Let's say they tell us, kind of give us an idea.

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A lot of times with the abilities that we have, the, you know,
being that we're sensitive and the things that we can do. Intuitive.
Yeah the sensitivity the intuition the the you know me hearing them things of that nature,
a lot of times we go to investigation and

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i'll be like i'll be kind of like you know hey don't don't really tell me nothing
let me try to figure out what's going on i'm gonna then i'll tell you and you
just tell me if it's correct because when we go to when we sometimes we go to
investigation and we get there to investigate,
we can kind of walk up and tell like, okay, you got one person that's involved in it.

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They know something's going on. And then you have two or three other people
standing there, clearly skeptic.
They're skeptic to, to, to hear it till tomorrow. You know what I mean?
It's so we kind of got to approach it like, okay, so you got one person that's
believing that something's going on.
You got another person or two more people standing there, you know,

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thinking we're just out to blow smoke.
And so a lot of times we'll approach it. I'll approach it with me and packs.
We'll approach it as as where I'll just say, hey, you know what? Don't tell me anything.
Let us just come in and investigate. And then whatever evidence we find, we will relay it to you.
And then you just tell us if it's an experience you've had or if it's somebody,

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you know, if we get names, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
So you can kind of see where I'm going with that side of the investigation. investigation
we also another way
that we investigate too is if it
becomes like we go there whether they tell us
a few things of experiences that they're having let's say shadow people in certain

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areas of the place you know cold spots movement anything like that a lot of
times we'll go in there and that stuff will happen so to figure out why that's happening
we step back to our research episode
which is where we might go down
to the county library or to the

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courthouse and get more information on the
house when it was built or the actual property or if there was something there
before like we talked about in in our possession episode when i talked about
the apartment being built in the middle of the the plantation and that lady's
apartment was exactly where the house was built. So.

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It can get as deep as that. I mean, all that kind of things you were mentioning
to me were still kind of lightweight investigations.
You can get down to the thick of it where, you know, you're in the courthouse
or you're in the library and you're reading up and you're trying to catch up
on who lived there before.
You're looking at death certificates, who might have died in the place that

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we're investigating, that these people that have bought the house or have a
commercial residence don't know anything about that.
They weren't told. So you find out somebody was shot in that store or they died in that house.
You get what I'm saying there? There's there's there's so much to do to try
to give your client the answer that they're looking for instead of just going in there going,

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yeah, the flashlight came on. You're haunted. Have a good day.
You know, it's it's it's it's a lot more, though, than what the paranormal.
It's a lot more than just looking for death.
Sometimes we could do properties to where things happen strangely that happens
either certain times of a decade, certain times of a year, or certain times of the day.

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But I don't want everybody listening to think, oh, paranormal is automatically
equating to death. It doesn't.
Sometimes it could be around a certain type
of season or the year where something just happens
and it may well you can get
into residual yeah to be a replay in
time you know what what might have gone on you know if you got you know a house

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built in 2005 but yet you're seeing a lady from the 1800s walk through the house
you know then you kind of wonder okay did she just wander in there and make
herself at home Or is that a residual haunt?
Is it a replay in time?
What was here on this property beforehand?
So, yes, it doesn't really entail about the death.

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But when I talk about looking up death certificates, if you got somebody in
there, if we're picking up somebody that nobody knows, then we obviously have to find out who it is.
And if we say if we go to the the courthouse or the library and you know.
Billy Joe Bob died of a gunshot wound in the house, and these people don't know

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about it. Well, that might be who we're talking to.
So now they got clarification on, okay, this guy passed away on this property.
This is who's haunting the place, is what I was kind of getting at. Yep.
Now, just to touch back, the equipment that is nine times out of 10 utilized
during a paranormal investigation is actually, for lack of a better term,

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it's scientific equipment.
It is used to gauge or measure something in the environment.
So I'm going to touch base on a lot of the equipment that's used.
And I'm sure when you're listening, you're going to nod your head and be like,
I've heard of that, or I've seen it on TV, or I even have something like that.
But some of the most basic stuff is nothing more than a simple flashlight.
A flashlight that you can turn on and off, or you can unscrew the back of the

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cap to where it's right there in the cusp to where if you have it just right
in the sweet spot, the light may come on, may turn off.
And the flashlight's used just as a signal indicator on off when you communicate,
when you ask questions the other side and we
do and we do use we do use multiple flashlights

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we know the debunking area of that we don't just use one flashlight basically
we know that that could malfunction and actually go off by itself yep we know
the debunking part of that so we do use multiple lights and sometimes multiple
lights with different colored lenses blue red green green, purple, whatever.
And if we're getting responses on what we're asking about, like turn on the

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blue for yes and the red for no, and we're getting those kinds of responses,
then obviously it's intelligent.
So we do know, just to throw it out there for the people, we don't just go by one flashlight.
We do use multiple flashlights. Yep.
Now, the next thing, which is very basic, a electromagnetic frequency detector
that will be able to detect magnetic frequencies in the environment.

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Some people utilize something that's properly named K2.
That is something that can be used to test everything from overzealous power
lines that's putting out too much power in the environment to bleed out to where
you have electrical lines or electrical sockets, everything,

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even to where lights are putting out energy, that can be read that way.
Something I use that's a little bit more specialized, I actually have something
called an ion box detector that's able to gauge the amount of ions in a half
a foot by half a foot space.

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And if you think of static electricity, Electricity, all of those are made of
ions, positive or negative, and depending on the mode this box is on,
it's able to show me how many negative or positive ions are in the environment.
So if I have it on a setting and I'm trying to do something at a location,

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investigating, and I say, hey, take some energy, you know, do what you got to do.
And I start seeing instantaneously after I threw that question or statement
and I start seeing the ions on the display does numerical value once it gauges
the environment start dropping right then and there,

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then I know something is yielding and taking that energy that's in the environment.
Something else that's utilized is a temperature gauge.
There's two types. You have an ambient temperature gauge which
you just turn on and it's able to
read the ambient temperature and the environment that you're in sometimes

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they will have a humidity level also to let you know how humid it is in the
room then there is a other temperature gauge which is a thermal handheld device
that you can point at something and press the button or pull the trigger depending
on the type it is and then it's able to
shoot either a clear or some sort of laser and wherever it makes contact,

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it's going to tell you what the temperature is, wherever it makes contact at.
And those are good because a lot of times when you investigate,
somebody could be like, oh, look, my whole arm is cold, but the rest of me is hot.
And if you can't go over and touch that person to say, yeah,
you're right, you're pretty cold.
Well, if you're 10 feet away, eight feet away, you just pick up one of the thermal

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devices and and point it and click the button, and then it will read right there
and let you know what the temperature is. It's very, very useful.
Something else that's utilized that's gained popularity more, and the last I would say.
10 years, 12 years max, maybe is ghost box or EVP box.

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And I want you to think of if you're in a car and you listen to a radio station,
or for instance, if you are listening to a song and you want to listen to the
next one, you hit the button and it goes to the next one.
Well, that's all this does is it constantly scans to the next station.

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And in between each station, there's white
noise and static and energy that's floating around and
the way this works i kid you not you can research this you can look it up dalton
has been there in person he's used the device with me we're not going to set
you astray and tell you a bunch of things that are fake here very paranormal

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you can ask questions and you will have a disembodied voice answer you back,
So true story, true story.

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Records black and white for night. It can do full spectrum, which captures all
the frequencies of light that our eyes cannot physically see.
Then you have thermal cameras that's able to pick up heat signatures by radiation of the body.
And then you have cameras that are simple, like we use if you're just going

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to go out and record something like a soccer game and you know,
you got family me doing playing soccer and you want to record them, just a simple camera.
All of those items are able to pick up things that we can't normally see sometime
during an investigation.
Or the good old cell phone. Yep, or the good old cell phone.
I've taken plenty of photos with the cell phone and I've caught plenty.

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I would say probably most all my evidence lately have been right off my cell phone.
Well, cell phones are so good. Go ahead.
I was going to say I do like carrying separate cameras. I do prefer the digital,
even though the analog type cameras might pick up something different.

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But I do prefer the digital because it has the screen on the back.
Oh yeah. And once I take a series of photos, I can just stand there and look
at the screen and see if anything popped up on it.
Well, likewise with those, what you've probably seen on a lot of popular TV
shows that do the paranormal is they'll set up a security system of cameras
and then have like their HQ or central station or their base station where they

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can go back and see all their cameras they have displayed.
You know, those, Those can be full spectrum. Those can be thermal.
Those can be black and white. They can be night vision. They can be regular.
They can be motion. Motion activated.
The thing that's good about those is we physically can't see things just because
of the way our bodies are.

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But with the equipment that I just mentioned, it gives you displays and readouts
and gauges things for us to see.
I mean, we got our faculties of our eyes, of our nose, you know,
taste, touch, and feeling on our body.

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But that only goes so far in the paranormal world.
All of these other things help paint a picture to what's going on.
Motion detectors, you know, Dawn brought up. You put some of those to other places. They go off.
Something's moving somewhere. You may not be able to see it physically.
You know, if you got a camera there, go roll that footage. see what's

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there you might see something you might if this
if a motion detector for a camera okay it
took a photo of something go see what's going on the whole
purpose of all these items is to assist to help paint the picture of what's
going on and to give honestly data scientific data if you will to say okay here

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factually and scientifically here's what i've been able to gather,
engage in the environment.
And then at the end of the night, pack everything up, you go spend,
it could be anywhere from hours to a few days reviewing everything.
And then getting back with the individual you're trying to assist and say,
Hey, here's what we figured out.

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We asked a bunch of questions. One thing I also want to mention is digital recorders.
They could be either tape recorders that use the tapes like people used in the 90s and 80s.
Early 2000s, or they could be a digital recorder.
Those also work. But what I wanted to get to is, say you are sitting in a room

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and a motion sensor goes off in another.
Well, you go defer to the camera system that's in that room and you kind of
see something, but you're unsure.
And so you go listen to the video camera and you can hear somebody talking,
but you can't hear really what's going on.
Well, come to find out somebody was in that room with a digital tape recorder

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and they're asking questions.
And next thing you know, when you do the timestamp of what the video was recording
and you mirror it up with the digital recorder and you hear what the question was,
you play a digital recorder back and something or someone is responding to you with an answer.

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One other thing that's really not mentioned that much in the paranormal investigation
world is a simple playback device of video or audio of being able to listen
to your research that you acquired or see it visually.
One thing that I cannot stress enough is

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a lot of people that don't have a
lot of background in the paranormal is they will
sometimes get evidence of a sound or a voice or something in a video and it
doesn't sound legible and they'll be like yeah i asked a question and it was
just this weird and i don't know what that meant so i just said whatever and
just kept going see what else i can find well it behooves anybody

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that gets any evidence of something that doesn't make sense, slow it down.
Slow it down and hear what it has to say. Break it down and you will be surprised
and blown away by the fact that little illegible noise that made no sense.
Come to find out actually was either a few words or even a whole sentence.

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You know, one thing you got to remember, wherever the other side is,
their whole premise is different from ours.
You know, we got physical bodies. We have all of this on this side.
That side, most likely probably just energy and a consciousness.
So how things work there may not work identical to here.

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So all these things help us figure out what it is that we have.
Now, this is for the equipment side of the house and the scientific,
logical side of doing things.
Another way the paranormal
can interact and happen is on the metaphysical

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side that could be by bringing in
crystals or candles for light
therapy slash energy or crystals that harness different frequency levels that
could go with the way the body naturally has chakras and those could help different

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PowerPoints, if you will be,
for an individual that may be intuited or gifted.
Sometimes the environments affect somebody that's gifted with abilities.
See what I did there? I used both words there, Dalton.
And sometimes not necessarily having the equipment ready to go,

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but just going to a location that's already been determined,
those locations can sense what's happening.
And it can reduce results for
people that have abilities unfortunately that
aren't positive now the reason why

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i bring up the scientific side of
paranormal investigating because those are devices that gauge everything dalton
already touched base you have the research side of the house which is unveiling
things that you may or may not already know by talking to people by talking
to the family, by talking to neighbors,

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by talking to local establishments that have archives of history records or
things that have to do with purchasing of homes and different ongoings with
land and deeds and all that stuff.
You have the medical physical side of the house. If you want to not necessarily

(32:23):
look at it from a sense of hardcore data, but from a metaphysical, spiritual side.
And then there's one last side, and it's something I came up with when I actually
gave a seminar at a university when I was a guest speaker.

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Intro to Paranormal 101 is what I called it.
I call it the triangle of truth. On one corner, you have science.
On the other corner, you are going to have the metaphysical.
On the last corner, you are going to have layman's terms of it is what it is.

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Now, out of all three of those modalities, if you cannot arrive at an answer,
then you have what's in the very middle of that triangle, which is, it's just the truth.
It's just there. so i came up with
this analogy and i called it the triangle of truth you know

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the world we live in is defined by structure it's defined by society it's defined
by science and all the things that give our world reasoning and logic definition
well the paranormal you can't use reasoning
you can't use logic and you can't use definition so three items if it doesn't

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match up to anything but it's still there you still have things that are very very real,
then it's the triangle of truth it's just it is what it is it's it's there now
well also you know we use we use a lot of the multiple equipment types and stuff
like that also because some Some entities,

(34:16):
and we're still coming down to what kind of energy they put off.
They obviously put off different types of energy. So one device might also be
easier for them to manipulate than the other device.
And then it comes down to this, them being picky. Like some of them refuse to use the flashlight.

(34:37):
They only want to use the K2 or some don't want to use the K2.
They only want to use a flashlight or they only want to talk to the spirit box.
You know, it's, it's a lot of other things as well, other than just using these devices.
For scientific meaning or scientific you
know evidence it's also because it gives

(34:59):
the i mean it kind of sounds weird to say it but it gives the entity a multiple
way to communicate and that's they they actually take advantage of that so just
look at them as form of apps if i have to use an analogy for today's age you
know you have all these different apps to communicate with people on phones or the computer.

(35:19):
Well, all these different electronic devices are different ways for people to
communicate or spirits with the paranormal world.
Now, the third type of investigation that there is, and there actually is a
way to do this, is actually investigating for fun.

(35:41):
Not a business-minded centric type of environment.
Which me and Dalton do when we can get out and get away is we'll just find a
place and just get into it and enjoy ourselves when it is residential or commercial or private,
meaning nobody wants to know, you know, putting their information out there. So we keep things quiet.

(36:07):
That's for a better lack of words.
That's, that's business for us. meaning we're there
to get answers the best that we can and give whoever
it is we're trying to assist help we don't do it for money we don't get paid
for this stuff we do it because for some reason we have some sort of natural
abilities we have an insight and it's like a good book no matter how many times

(36:31):
me and dalton have ever put down this subject in our life it comes back to us Over and over and over.
So one day we were just like, all right, that's it. You know,
we're just going to keep at with it and go from there.
But well if you have the ability to help
people regardless of what it is whether it be the paranormal or you

(36:53):
got a talent any kind of talent to you know or a skill set sort of say i mean
you know a guy a guy goes into the military he's trained by the military comes
out most likely that guy is not gonna go sit behind a desk and push a pencil.

(37:14):
He's going to be a first responder some kind of way because that's what he's been doing basically.
So he's either going to become law enforcement or a firefighter or,
you know, he was in the military and had some medical background.
He's going to become an EMT.
If you have the skillset and the ability to help people, it's, you know, normal.

(37:36):
I don't, I don't know how to word this properly, not to try to offend somebody,
but normal people, they're going to use that.
You're going to go help people because that's what you know
you can do you're not just going to sit on it and go
okay well it's nice
to know that you got an issue i i can't you know i don't
feel like helping you because it's not in our vocabulary so

(37:59):
when we were when you know growing
up and we've been dealing with this for a very long
time it would have been nice
to have to have known other other people
to help us through certain situations i'm
sure you know for me especially i know for myself
oh i can definitely i would have loved i can agree to that on my side also right

(38:22):
i would have loved to been able to talk to somebody and and have them help me
understand what's going on back then you didn't i mean those people existed
but nobody talked about it freely really up until the TV shows,
you know, started coming out and then it's okay to talk about,
you don't belong in a loony bin.
So, so yes, in our situation, we have the ability and the means to go try to

(38:49):
help people understand or try
to narrow their situation down to where they know what's going on that,
you know, and a lot of times there's nothing harmful by what's going on.
And you get those every now and then, but, but the bottom line is,
you know, yeah, we're going to go help people.
I mean, that's just, you know, I know what it's like not to been,

(39:11):
not to have been helped and, you know, kind of sit there and try to figure all this out myself.
It drove me nuts sometimes, but, you know, now I got a more understanding and a clearer vision of it.
So why not, you know, go try to help somebody, but that's, that's what we do. Oh, yeah.
And, you know, that's the thing right there, I think, in a way that makes it

(39:35):
unique, at least for me and Dalton.
I mean, I know a lot of people that I've seen over the years, you know, they'll...
See the paranormal stuff on TV and they'll go get some stuff and do it casually and that's fine.
Then there's individuals that will try to get a little bit deeper and join a

(39:56):
group or a crew and try to learn a little bit more than what you would learn just by reading a book.
And that's good also.
Unfortunately, like everything in life, the paranormal is not always roses and peaches.
There is an ugly side to it. Me and Dalton really don't touch base too much
on it, but there is a negative side to it that can affect lives,

(40:20):
that can affect personas, that can affect you physically, that could even affect your sanity.
And the thing is, I don't want to say you have to have thick skin for it,
but when you get into it, and if you get into it to the level that me and Dalton are at,
You kind of have to gut check yourself and say, do I want to go and continue

(40:43):
with this and do what I can?
If you get to a certain level to help people, or are you doing it just as a side hobby?
Then that's it. Or do you decide to say one day I'm checking out,
I've experienced enough, I've seen enough.
I don't want to question things. That's it. I'm walking away from it.

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Some individuals I've known that have tried to get into the paranormal,
and unfortunately, they did not have good experiences.
It was more than what they were willing to accept or handle that put them in
conflict with their own belief systems,
their own theology systems, their own logical systems of what the things they

(41:26):
picked up and based their own viewpoints on through society,
through through either education or family or research.
And there's nothing wrong with that. The paranormal is not for everybody.
But I highly caution anybody, if it's something that you do want to have an
interest in, there's nothing wrong with that.

(41:48):
But understand there's different levels of it.
And there's different intensities.
So it's one thing... Let's just say this. Let's just say this.
To me, it's a bottom line. There's a bottom line. To me, it is kind of cut and dry.

(42:11):
And again, I'm not trying to change anybody's beliefs. This stuff is very real.
I mean, I've had enough experiences in it to know that it's very real.
And Pax, you've had enough experiences your lifetime. You know, it's very real.
So what we tell people is like, even this guy that come out,

(42:32):
Luca, he come out investigate.
And we were sitting there having a little food before we went to the place to investigate.
You know i told him straight up this is this is very real this now this place that we're going to.
I've we've never had an issue that's another thing hey
you know if you do want to go out and investigate or you do want

(42:54):
to try it and you've never been out then try to you you won't know that's that's
the hardest thing is not the hardest thing but that's the most difficult thing
is that you don't know where you're walking into is there a malicious entity
in there is there There's something that will follow you home where we take people.
We take them to May Stringer House because May Stringer House,

(43:16):
those entities choose to stay there.
We've never had an issue with something following us home or anybody we've taken
there had any kind of issues after the investigation.
And what we what I told, like I told Luca, I know you're a skeptic and all,
but this stuff is very real.
And there is that chance You know, if you try to wander off And do investigations

(43:40):
by yourself First, we do a thing called Safety in numbers,
We try not to investigate alone It happens sometimes But we try to do it as
a group There's a reason for that But.
There's that chance, man. There's that chance, like you said,
that something can follow you home and wreck your life.
Yeah, that's that's that is the real side of paranormal investigating.

(44:05):
That's the side that the TV shows. Some of them will show you that.
Some of them will hint to it, but they won't tell you that, hey,
if you go out and investigate that sanitarium over there where crazies were
at one time, there's a chance something might follow you home and just wreck.
Your life like you never knew how much negativity could be poured out in your

(44:29):
lifetime and in a short amount of time and it won't happen right away it it
doesn't hit you at the point of where,
it just nails you it chips away at your life little pieces at a time until months
down the road you're you're just kind of sitting there going what just happened

(44:50):
why why am i having this run of bad luck why is this why is that so and i'll
be honest with you you don't have to go,
do a paranormal investigation for that to happen i've known people that have literally.
Just went on a ghost tour or you know and i'm not knocking ghost tours and i'm

(45:13):
not trying to tell nobody not to go do them i'm just saying when you go to places
that are haunted just Just realize,
even if you're a skeptic, just put it in the back of your mind that what if
there is a real possibility that this is real and what are the consequences of it? What can happen?
And that's just the factor of us just saying we don't, like me, I don't care.

(45:39):
If it's a fire, I'm going to run to it. You know, it's just me.
Just wanted to throw that out there as like there is
a reality a caution yes there's a yeah it's
not it's not just go hey this guy on tv did
it because these guys on tv a lot of the shows

(45:59):
i know some of them personally and they
don't they're not going to come out and show you the bad
stuff first of all right because first of
all it deals with their personal life not only they're not
going to come out and it's entertainment you know there's
the hook it's it's tv it's entertainment that's the whole purpose
of television is to make you come back and

(46:22):
see more and more and more and that's
how the next season gets revolved around you know
and things get renewed right it's true and you know there's one show where they
claim to have been possessed or whatever i don't know about all that but i will
say that there is there is Because when you dabble with the paranormal like that.

(46:45):
There is and there could be consequences to it.
So there's some realism to it. So, with everything that me and Dalton just said, I'll say this.
And this is probably the most sobering, realist moment in all of our podcasts

(47:05):
here at Theory of Paranormal that me and Dalton really put it on the table for
you and told you exactly how it was to that scale.
It's not that we didn't want to share this with the listeners that are listening,
but we like to bring out all the different experiences that we've had at Theory

(47:28):
of Paranormal and also before we were Theory of Paranormal through our different
backgrounds to give enlightenment and share things that we went through.
So that way, A, you don't have to, but B, so that way you can get perspective.
The biggest thing that I will caution anybody and everybody that wants to do

(47:52):
anything with a paranormal, like anything in life, if this is something that
you're earnest about and you really want to get into it, perfect.
Go for it. Have an experience.
See what it's about. See if it's for you.
But in the same token, do research.
Research find something particular about

(48:12):
the background or the paranormal or
energy or chakras or people
with abilities and different types of modalities of
people that are gifted you know or about the earth or you know quantum physics
or whatever you want research read learn because what that does is that builds

(48:35):
you up until you get to a certain academia level to where you're enlightened
and you understand things.
So when things happen on certain levels, you can say, well, this happened because X, Y, Z.
And then you can say, okay, that makes sense. And then you go on to the next thing.
Because in the paranormal world, at least for me and Dalton,

(48:55):
the last thing that we ever want is to go into a scenario and not know what
or why something happened, period.
Or even to walk away without having some sort of, maybe not 100% answer,
but just walking away without having an answer and utilizing any type of logic.
Because then you're sitting there scratching your head with more questions walking

(49:19):
away than what you went into the scenario with.
And, and you're not, and you're not helping the client. I mean,
if you don't, if, if you get to that, you don't go in there and get some kind
of, you know, some kind of answer. And it might take multiple times.
I mean, I've, I've told, you know, We've done certain investigations where we've
come back three or four times, and they're like, oh, why didn't you tell us that the first time?

(49:42):
And I'm like, well, because I want to make sure that what I'm giving you is
factual information to the best of our knowledge, to whatever we're getting responses to.
If they keep repeating the same thing, then I'm going to take it as a fact,
and I'll just let you know that upon our evidence, this is what we're finding out.

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And it might take multiple multiple
times look at may stringer house you know very simple the the lady.
Forget her name, the first wife. Anyway, she and the daughter are supposed to
be buried. On the premise.
On the property. And so that night of investigating, we pretty much,

(50:28):
I went into that line of questioning.
Of course, it built up to like where they were going to tell us,
but then they got quiet, like they don't want to tell us.
So I mean, it's Morena, that's her name. I'm sorry.
Morena, made her and the daughter are buried
on that property now that's hearsay right now nobody knows

(50:48):
for certain because the courthouse
burnt down two different times so a lot of the a lot of the documents and stuff
are lost and they're buried without a marked grave so you know who's to know
right it's just hearsay right now yeah so we go in there with the that's one of our

(51:09):
purposes of going there is to try to figure out are they buried there and where they're buried at?
And if we ever get the answer, I don't know, but we were pretty close.
Yep. As, as far as it goes, I know we were going to touch base a little bit
on Luca's experiences in a nutshell.
Luca got to experience the, the K2 detector going off flashlights going off

(51:34):
two of them at the same time where they were blinking back and forth to each
other. From across the room?
Yeah, when the kids were playing. When the kids were playing back and forth,
he got to also hear the ghost box go off and make some noise.
And then we also had a temperature gauge to where he felt really cold.

(51:56):
When he got tested with the thermal temperature gauge from about five feet away,
his whole body was roughly about 93 degrees.
And he told me his hand was cold. so i checked his hand and
his thumb was 71 degrees and you
know showed him and i know he
was pretty surprised it's one thing if someone does an investigation that's

(52:20):
never done it and maybe they have one thing happen but he had a few things happen
so well his first experience like i said was he went up to the attic with the
one lady that was staying there to hang out with us yeah Yeah.
And he come right down. He's like, I couldn't believe her. She set the flashlight

(52:40):
down, asked a few questions. Flashlight came on by itself.
Yeah. Now she didn't have a, she didn't have a twisty flashlight.
She had a push button flashlight. Yeah.
So totally different flashlight. So, but yeah.
Also, he had experience of putting brand new batteries in one device,
and then within, what, 10 or 15 minutes, the device died.

(53:02):
Yep. Or they drained the batteries out of it. And then he would go check it,
and then he would have to turn it back on. The batteries would be full.
And then with a matter of two minutes, they would be fully drained again.
And I remember he got annoyed because he kept having to go back over and over.
And then when he because

(53:23):
we kept going from the second or from the third
floor to the second floor and we could hear the the beep
when the camera would shut off and it was
almost like they were playing a game because i walked with them down
to the second floor he put the batteries checked them
powered everything back up and we didn't even
get eight feet away and then you hear

(53:43):
the camera shut off again and it was like they were playing a game
like they just wanted us to go upstairs so
they could turn it off and i just yeah because we
had a we had a ball in the hallway yep yep and
we were trying to film the ball and it's like they didn't want
to film in that hallway and that's as a quick side note
that's something else that's utilized a lot in the paranormal world are trigger

(54:04):
objects trigger objects is a coined phrase for something that's either tied
to the error of the environment that you're in so say we're investigating a
home that was up during the 1800s if you brought something from that time period
to that environment and used it as a Q&A,
then potentially it might rouse some activity for the individuals that have

(54:25):
crossed over and that are there.
Or also namely, as Dalton said, we used a ball, we used a beach ball.
And sometimes you can use objects that aren't necessarily scientifically related,
but they can still be used nonetheless to be gauged to see if they change in the environment.
If you know for a fact you don't have... Go ahead.

(54:48):
Oh, no, I was going to say you can also use it to get a response. Yep.
When i did a perryville battlefield i didn't i didn't do what one group did they used an actual,
you know black powder gun i used a cap gun and
being that i'm on a civil war battlefield i ran
back and forth up and down the hill firing shots out of

(55:11):
that cap gun and yelling you know like i was you know
fighting and within probably
five minutes less than that probably like three or four minutes after doing
that it's like you heard gunshots and cannons going off in the distance so trigger
objects are as such you know you could put a beach ball down or a doll,

(55:37):
or a toy of some sort for
kids to play with it gets them
to play with the object or you can get something that the adults
want to play with or you can be doing such as like i did which is running it
up downhill with a cap gun and then you can trigger it triggers like a time
of that battle like they they hear the fighting like there's fighting going

(56:01):
on so they start firing back.
Trigger objects are very cool. I love using certain trigger objects in certain areas.
So yes, but it's not only to bring out somebody to play with it,
but you can also do what it actually says, which is trigger an effect by using it.

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Now, with everything that we've touched based on, from the different types of
investigations, to the equipment, to the scientific aspect, to the metaphysical
aspect, the layman's terms, of you're listening to this particular podcast.
And you're curious how to get into the paranormal of investigating or researching

(56:43):
or doing anything. It's very simple.
You don't have to spend a ton of money to do this.
There's all sorts of things that you can get from all different places all over
the internet for all different prices.
Everybody has a different budget and you don't have to get five,
six, seven devices and then go out somewhere and say, Hey, I'm going to use all this.

(57:05):
I'm, you know, I investigate now do whatever you're comfortable with,
you know, pick up a one item or two items and go somewhere.
You don't necessarily have to do a official ghost tour somewhere and pay somebody
to go do it. You don't have to do it at night.
You can go anywhere and just ask questions the way you would to anybody.

(57:30):
If I was standing there, Dalton was standing there, your next-door neighbor
was standing there, whoever.
Just be yourself. And as far as it goes with doing research about things,
you don't necessarily have to research the area.
I mean, some people go to graveyards, some people go to battlefields,
some people go to historical places that may not necessarily,

(57:52):
have had some sort of emotional trauma or death, but have had some key pitiful
events in the area, that's a place too.
Here's a pun for you. You know, there's a difference between a graveyard and a cemetery. How's that?
A graveyard is where people are buried on church property where there's a church. Okay.

(58:16):
Cemeteries, as such, they're buried outside of the church grounds.
Well, that's not a pun. That's a factual statement. That's a learning lesson
right there. That's a knowledge nugget, if I may say.
Right. Right, so there is a difference between a graveyard and a cemetery,
just so people would know that.
Okay, appreciate the knowledge nugget there.

(58:38):
But what I'm getting at is, with the wonderful age of the internet and the public
library and different places you can go,
you can research and learn whatever your desire is in anything at all.
And I guarantee you, depending on what you pick, you may find yourself being

(59:00):
curious or they're going to mention something else and then that's going to
spawn or make you want to research a different subject.
And next thing you know, you're jumping around from subject to subject to subject,
but you're starting to see how things tie together.
And that's the cool thing about all of this is you have free will.
You can learn whatever you want, when you want, how you want. and go from there.

(59:25):
If you want to investigate in a group, there are a ton of places all over the
internet that you can find like-minded people like yourself and you can go investigate.
If you want to just do a chat forum on the internet of talking to people about
similar like-minded ideas or thoughts or experiences or interests,

(59:46):
you can do that also, but not have to investigate. gate.
If you want to be part of something that is only done during Halloween, you can do that also.
My whole point is, it's a personal thing.
And you, at the end of the day, decide what is best for yourself and what you want to do.

(01:00:06):
With mine and Dalton's experience with the paranormal, it's something that we
grew up with. It's something that we've had a multitude of experiences.
And And then one day, me and Dalton said, hey,
let's go ahead and do something that we can educate people on from our experiences
and share things that we believe is our theory on a multitude of things and

(01:00:30):
tell people just how it is. TV is great.
Movies are great. But the thing is, they're both tied by one word,
and that's entertainment.
If you think about it long and hard, how many other places do you know that
will actually go ahead and explain stuff to you about the paranormal?

(01:00:54):
I'm not talking about, let me talk about my latest investigation and all the
crazy stuff that happened.
And let me tell you about, you know, how the light went off.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about point blank.
This is how the paranormal works from someone's opinion. And let me explain
to you the inner workings of it and why.

(01:01:16):
I honestly haven't found a place like that yet. And then take it upon yourself on what you believe.
And I will say when you go to some of these group chats and these websites,
you're going to have more, what you got to be cautious with,
is you're going to have more skepticism in there than you will people that will

(01:01:38):
actually know what they're talking about. So just be aware of that.
I'm in some of the group chats and the Facebook pages. I get invited to a lot
of that stuff all the time.
And it kind of irritates me that somebody would get on like,
you know, there was a lady and she posted an orb. It was clearly an orb.

(01:02:02):
Because in the third picture, it actually moved off to the left.
And of course, here comes the people.
Oh, that's, you know, camera flare. Or that's dust.
Or that's a light reflecting off something else. Or a million other answers.
And what irritates me is, if you're a skeptic and you don't even want to take

(01:02:25):
the time to try to understand what's going on there,
then don't don't post that but
i don't say anything keep my mouth shut yeah
because i don't want to start a war because that's
what happened and but a difference of agreement with words is what dalton saying
right or opinions yeah and and so what i'll do is i'll just post hey you know

(01:02:48):
you definitely caught something there is is what i can tell you and then that's where I leave it.
So all I'm trying to say is when you go to like websites and,
and group chats and stuff, try to find one that's all legitimate paranormal
people that are all talking the same language.
Now, I'm not saying that so that you can get a response.

(01:03:10):
It's always the yes, because true paranormal investigators like ourselves,
like we've been on these other podcasts.
We'll tell you, you know, nah, we don't, I'm not going to answer that because
there's not it's, it's, it's not undisputable to me.
Like the evidence that we post on our Facebook page is pretty much undisputable.

(01:03:32):
We have not been disputed on anything that we put up. I'm not going to put anything
on up that can be disputed.
If I'm going to question it, guess what?
Somebody else is going to question it and I'm not going to put it up there to be questioned.
If, if I can sit there and go, man, that is unexplained.
I'm going to post it.
So try to find, you know, try to find people that are more like-minded in the paranormal.

(01:03:57):
And that way you get a little bit better experience on where you're chatting
and in the pictures you're going to look at.
But also keep in mind, take it upon yourself.
Always take it upon yourself to, you know, What do you think?
Do you think what you're looking at is real?
Or if you've done research on camera flare, you know.

(01:04:22):
All the different things on how to debunk pictures and videos,
then by all means, question it.
Nobody's going to bother you to question it.
I just don't like the people that come right out and just say,
no, that's camera flare or that's, that's you move it. Or like I seen a video.
It was a nice, it was a nice catch. They had a, they had a camera in the backyard

(01:04:45):
and something, this white anomaly, it looked like it was crawling sideways. Really weird.
It crawled up over the fence and came at the back door.
And one guy got on there and literally was like, oh, that's rain going down the front of the camera.
And I so wanted to go. If it's rain in front of the camera, there would be a

(01:05:08):
wet streak on the lens. There's nothing on the lens.
You can clearly see this white anomaly. And it looks like something shining
down from the sky almost.
Most but i think the camera picked
up the anomaly and that was a flare coming off the anomaly but anyway my point
is the only thing i can say was you definitely caught something you know because

(01:05:31):
again you don't want to start a war so and but the thing is the way i look at it is this.
Everybody has an opinion and that's their right but when it comes to certain
technicalities of any type of evidence.
And when I mean by technicalities, I mean by somebody looking at something.

(01:05:56):
I will always lean to individuals that are specialized in the fields of being
able to tell me yay or nay.
And what I mean by that is if I really have a piece of audio that's an EVP and
I want to know, hey, what's up with this?

(01:06:20):
It's going to be more than just listening to it or slowing it down a little bit.
I will actually either A, by myself, or I will send it off to someone that's
a professional in the background of audio that does this for a living.
We'll be able to break it down on all the different levels of frequencies and

(01:06:41):
say, hey, here's where it drops down here. Here's where it gets picked back
up. The inflections over here.
This was right. There's actually three different layers within this particular
pitch. You know, people that.
Know exactly what's going on. You know, if your car is getting fixed,
you're not going to go bring it to a bakery or to the deli at a grocery store and say, Hey, fix my car.

(01:07:07):
You're going to go bring your car to a mechanic to get it fixed.
So when it comes to certain things, at least for me and
Dalton with their paranormal, when we need to get a second of opinion,
then we're going to go bring it to resources that
we have to be able to get looked at rather it's
video or it's audio or sometimes

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if it's a piece of equipment that was made by myself
or somebody else and we wanted to
say hey well here's how it you know functioned
it resulted in you know yielded results
what's your two cents is it a fluke is it
legit you know it's always good
to try to go with someone that's specialized in whatever

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modality that you're dealing with if i say that
in air quotes you have those type of
contacts or resources otherwise you just have to be prepared for other individuals
just to shoot down automatically whatever it is you're putting out there because
a lot of times a lot of times though you know when you take when you take if

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you do some evps let's say and you're dealing with audio.
A lot of times I'll search out a person that is qualified in breaking down audio to find out what's.
Low casted voices or any kind of voice or any kind of offset in the audio itself

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that may consider that might, that may be somebody talking in the background.
So I'll take it to one of those guys. It's not even a paranormal investigator. Why is that? Yes.
Because if I take it to a guy that's not even a paranormal investigator,
but he can sit there and tell me you definitely caught other voices on this audio.
Well, well, that's coming straight out from a guy that doesn't know nothing

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about paranormal. So we must have caught something.
It's undisputable. You can't dispute that.
And the reason why I bring all this up is sometimes when you're dealing with
something and you want to be able to get an answer,
and you don't necessarily have to have contacts at universities or organizations
that are big box, You can find forums or different places that have to deal

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with audio or photos or video.
Sometimes they'll have a little website or a blog that you can just throw something
up on or a Facebook group or wherever and just say, hey, this is what I kind of caught.
Anybody's two cents would be great. I appreciate any constructive criticism
or feedback. Please let me know.

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Or just get on there and say, hey, take a look at this video or this picture
or whatever and tell me what y'all think.
And a little bit of honey goes a long way, which is a metaphor for if you're
nice and polite, you'd be surprised how much more people are willing to help
instead of just expecting something.

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But as far as it goes, this is going to conclude the podcast on what a paranormal investigation is,
what equipment is used, what the process is, and what defines it.
Are you going to talk about Luca?

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I was getting to that part. And our guest individual that came and investigated with us, Mr.
Luca, much appreciated for your time and support to Theory of Paranormal and
coming out and having your first paranormal experience at May Stringer.
A ton of evidence that night. A ton of, we got a lot of stuff to go over.

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We haven't had a chance to go over any photos or EVPs, but we had a lot of spirit
box, a lot of contact through the spirit box, through the SB-11,
a lot of flashlight activity.
We put the 2K2s on the one bed, and both of them were flickering at the same
level, which told me that somebody was laying in the bed there.

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Because you if you put if you put two k2s in
a spot especially like on a bed one at
the head one at the feet and they're both clicking
at the same level like they're they're timing the
same time i'm just going to conclude my opinion would be that somebody's laying
there in the bed if you had one that you know was going off a lot stronger than

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the other one then obviously maybe that's movement and that end of the bed.
I haven't quite decided how I want to play that as far as figuring that out,
but we did have a little bit where one K2 lit up a little more than the other
one, but a lot of, a lot of evidence concluding what we already knew,

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just re-illiterating it, re, you know, reinstating it and making sure that in
our past investigations on what we found out, you know, is we're still getting
the same answer. That was a good thing.
Just a lot of good stuff happened that night and got so wrapped up in it that
I even forgot to Facebook live it.

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It's crazy, but. Oh, yeah.
Yep. We're definitely stayed busy. But with all that being said,
if you're curious about anything with the May Stringer house that we have been
speaking about tonight, we have a previous podcast.
You can go back, I believe it's to Podcast 12, Season 1, and listen to it and

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learn about it and go from there.
So we appreciate you listening to Theory Paranormal. If you have any questions
or things you want us to review or see or just any commentary about any of our podcasts,
please feel free to email me and Dalton at info at theoryparanormal.com.

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And as always, as our closing statement that we say here at Theory of Paranormal,
don't be afraid to ask questions.